1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: Strap on the boots and scrape up the knuckles. Oh ahead, 2 00:00:05,640 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: he got jacked. This is the big Red Rain, presented 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: by satan Ford in Gilbert. Mary's Gonna score touchdown. Slam 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: to the ground by Buddha Baker Like a torpedo. He 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: came flying into the backfield. The rage is brought to 6 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 1: you by satan Ford in Gilbert. Are you Santanford State Farm? 7 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Talk to an agent today at eight hundred State Farm, 8 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 1: And by Arizona Cardinals Podcasts visit Hacy Cardinals dot com, 9 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts, The Reds, Rising Guard, temperaturizing vision, flurring rage, 10 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: taking it over. Here's Paul CALVICI I'm ready. I'm one 11 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: hundred percent ready. I'm telling you I'm ready. And Ron Wolflee. 12 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better than that, Unleash the far. 13 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: If we were to start by listing things that are 14 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: obsolete or no longer in the NFL, Ron Wolfley, what 15 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: would come to mind? Dumb that rolls, it's good, single 16 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: bar face masks, right, I mean like goal posts in 17 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: the front of the end zone, turf shoes as an 18 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: AstroTurf yep stick them dripping off player's arms. Right, Lester 19 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: Hey shoulder How about shoulder pads wider across than Navy 20 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: flight deck like you used to wear back in the day. Oh, 21 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,800 Speaker 1: those are awesome, right there, play, I'd also have to 22 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: say real eye black. I just don't see a lot 23 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:46,880 Speaker 1: of that anymore. And there's an addition to the list. 24 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: May we suggest the word off season? I mean, what 25 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: is this word off season? There is nothing off about 26 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: the non game season. That's what I'm calling it. Game season, 27 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: a non game season because games ended on Sunday, and 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 1: we are busier than ever on this edition of The 29 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Big Red Rage, presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We 30 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: are santan Ford, Paul LVC, and Ron Wolfley. Think about it, right, 31 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,120 Speaker 1: think about everything that has happened just in the last 32 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: third what forty eight to seventy two hours since that 33 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: game ended, since the season ended on Sunday. And we'll 34 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 1: get to everything, but Wolf maybe just a couple of 35 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: general takeaways. None of this, I'm guessing, is that much 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: of a surprise. We knew when the final raps were 37 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 1: put on a four and thirteen season there will be changed, 38 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: right Yeah, Paul, I mean I think we all suspected 39 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: that there could possibly be change with all the distractions, 40 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: with everything that happened with the injuries, situation being what 41 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: it is, you did wonder that, hey, maybe it might 42 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:52,639 Speaker 1: be a situation where the organization looks at Cliff Kingsbury 43 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,760 Speaker 1: end his coaching staff and says, hey, listen, we realize 44 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot of things went wrong, and a lot of 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: things when sideways last season and there were distractions goal 46 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: or distraction after the distraction PAULI. That to me, more 47 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,960 Speaker 1: than anything else, made me think maybe there is a chance, 48 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: just maybe they'll give Cliff and his staff another year 49 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: to come back and fix the problem. Because knowing Bill 50 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: Belichick and knowing the type of coach that he is, 51 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:30,680 Speaker 1: in the philosophy that he had, he always wanted us 52 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: to eliminate all distractions in our life, whether it was personal, professional, 53 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: whatever it was, eliminate the distractions and don't bring them 54 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: into the locker room. And man, that's all there seemed 55 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: to be last year, And that made me think maybe 56 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: there might be a chance that Cliff and his staff 57 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:52,839 Speaker 1: will come back. But then on Monday the announcement was made. 58 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: It was officially official Cliff Kingsbury and Steve Kie will 59 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: no longer be with the organization you're as team owner, 60 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: Michael will we all thought that we would take the 61 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: next step up after having achieved a playoff appearance last year. 62 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. The people in this room and our 63 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: fans know all the reasons why, dating back to last year. 64 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: That different factors that worked against us. Still not an 65 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: excuse and we expected better. I expected better and we 66 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: deserve better. Any sight of the San Francisco forty nine 67 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: ers who put a heck of a team out on 68 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: that field with a third string rookie quarterback. So yes, 69 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: injuries are part of the game, but a lot of 70 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 1: the same issues and air self inflicted airs that you 71 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: saw at the beginning of the season, you were still 72 00:04:38,240 --> 00:04:40,000 Speaker 1: seen at the end of the season. And by the 73 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: time the season ended, well, you had a four and 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,919 Speaker 1: thirteen campaign and since you started ten and two, Wolf, 75 00:04:45,920 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: it's a team that has lost eighteen of twenty three. 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: So change was needed. Yeah, there's no doubt, Paul. It's 77 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: very difficult for me. I do believe that Cliff Kingsbury 78 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: is a good co which I do believe that Cliff 79 00:05:01,480 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 1: Kingsbury ultimately will have the opportunity maybe to prove that someday. 80 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: For whatever reason, it just did not work out here. 81 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:16,080 Speaker 1: I think coming in Cliff Kingsbury had to change some things, 82 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 1: and he really didn't change an awful lot. As a 83 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: matter of fact, I think Cliff doubled down on some 84 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: of the culture he had already built here, and I 85 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:29,480 Speaker 1: think in the end it came back to bite him 86 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: in the butt. Yeah. When the Cardinals were at their 87 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: best under Cliff Kingsbury, they were really running the ball. 88 00:05:34,560 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: It was a balanced offense. It was a physical brand offense, 89 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: at least enough to keep a defense honest, you know. 90 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,440 Speaker 1: And there were a couple of curiosities. Wolf, I'll be honest. 91 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: You go out Week fifteen with Trace McSorley throws it 92 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: forty five times when James Connor average five point three 93 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: yards per carry. Cole McCoy Weeks sixteen to Denver on 94 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: that third and one to the thirty four is zone. 95 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: Read with thirty six year old Cole McCoy. That the 96 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:58,480 Speaker 1: risk reward on that right. And then like week seventeen 97 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: at Atlanta, David blows for starts. Since twenty nineteen, David 98 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:05,520 Speaker 1: blow at forty pass attempts when again James Connor was 99 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: averaging five yards of carry. You had only got sixteen carries. 100 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: So there were just certain trends. I think that just 101 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: never seemed to go away. Yeah, and not only that too, Paul. 102 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: I think the harsh reality, the harsh reality that the 103 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,120 Speaker 1: pendulum was swinging when Cliff came into the league, his 104 00:06:22,160 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: new age offense, Paul, and the new way of thinking 105 00:06:24,800 --> 00:06:27,640 Speaker 1: in regard to the game of football really was swinging 106 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: to the right man, it was swinging all the way 107 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,280 Speaker 1: up there. It was going to take over. It felt 108 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: like it was going to take over the league. And 109 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 1: that pendulum has come way back to the center where 110 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: it's more of a blend of the old and the new, Paul. 111 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: And there's no excuse, I think, for the most part, 112 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 1: and no reason why any culture for a football team 113 00:06:55,240 --> 00:07:00,120 Speaker 1: should not include physicality in the line of scrimmage and 114 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 1: running the ball and stopping the run. And I do 115 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: believe that's part of the culture that got lost here 116 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. That's what makes this 117 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,840 Speaker 1: so intriguing. You know what sort of head coach and 118 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 1: GM is the owner looking for. Here's Michael Bidwell. The 119 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 1: search is started for both the general manager and for 120 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: a head coach. We're going to cast them that far 121 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: and wide. We are going to look at internal candidates 122 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: and external candidates. We're not looking at particularly offense or defense. 123 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 1: The preference is to get a general manager in place first, 124 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 1: but if that doesn't happen, we're not going to be 125 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: afraid to hire the right head coach. And I've already 126 00:07:43,800 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: interviewed two internal candidates for general manager, Adrian Wilson and 127 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: Quentin Harris. I've also interviewed one external candidate, and we've 128 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: got interviews later this week. In fact, per NFL Network, 129 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: they've already interviewed former Giants GM Jerry Reese. They requested 130 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: permission interview Bears assistant jim Ian Cunningham, along with Niners 131 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: Director of pro Personnel Ran Carthon. They also requested permission 132 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: but were declined by another member that Niners front office, 133 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: Adam Peters, and then monteosasan Fort, was also a direct 134 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 1: Tennessee Director of player personnel, and they requested permission interview 135 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: him as well. Yeah, you know what I like about that, Polly. 136 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: For the most part, when you think of those last 137 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,320 Speaker 1: three names right there, the two gentlemen from the forty 138 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: nine Ers and then of course from the Tennessee Titans. 139 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,160 Speaker 1: But you want to talk about teams that have a culture. 140 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: You want to talk about teams that are very, very physical, 141 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and in particular, I would say that on the line 142 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: of scrimmage for the most part, offensively and defensively, two 143 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 1: teams that really know how to get after it. And 144 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,920 Speaker 1: I wonder, Palli if that isn't an indicator as to 145 00:08:56,080 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: the direction in which Michael Bidwell in the organization should 146 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: maybe moving in terms of culture, in terms of going 147 00:09:04,640 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: out and what they foresee as being important to them 148 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:13,319 Speaker 1: in the coming days and weeks. Well, Michael Bidwell was 149 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: asked about urgency and whether he feels it in conducting 150 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: this search. Oh, yes, there's an incredible sense of urgency. 151 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 1: And believe me, I've been exchanging texts and messages and 152 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: phone calls and getting the input of a lot of 153 00:09:28,400 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: folks and trying to get a three hundred and sixty 154 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: degree view of a number of candidates. You know, there 155 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,839 Speaker 1: is no fixed list at this point. I'm trying to 156 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:38,040 Speaker 1: cast the net as far and wide as i can. 157 00:09:38,240 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: But there are four other openings between Houston and Carolina 158 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: and Indian denver So and then we got the news 159 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: about Sean Payton this afternoon about how Sean Payton and 160 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: the Cardinals, while the Cardinals have a requested permission to 161 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: speak with a former Saints head coach still property of 162 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,200 Speaker 1: the Saints, that's according to NFL Network. Now he can't 163 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: formally interview with any team until January seventeen, but you 164 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: can have conversations, and the Cardinals ever requested as much 165 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: to speak with Sean Payton. This is going to be 166 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: really interesting, Paulie, to see how this unfolds, because you 167 00:10:13,800 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: know that Sean Payton is going to generate an awful 168 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:21,719 Speaker 1: lot of interest and already has at least reportedly. There 169 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: are going to be teams, multiple teams that are out 170 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: there right now. And you also have to wonder, is 171 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: it is Jim Harbaugh actually in the equation right here 172 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: for other teams? It appears as though he is getting 173 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: some love, he is getting some juice from some other 174 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: teams that are out there right now. Could that be 175 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:46,200 Speaker 1: a name possibly, If in fact, this net is going 176 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: to be cast very far and wide, could he possibly 177 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 1: be a name? I don't see that happening here, but 178 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 1: it would be interesting to see if in fact they 179 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 1: do speak with him. Well, he does have connections with 180 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: the Colts Jim Harbaugh, right and ownership. There's a former 181 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: Colts quarterback. He does have connections with the new Broncos 182 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: front office from some of the Stamford days, and some 183 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: of those same decision makers who were at Stamford are 184 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: now with the Broncos. So that is intriguing. You're absolutely right, Wolf, 185 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: And as we know and has been speculated upon, Sean 186 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: Payton will require compensation to the New Orleans Saints. So 187 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: what is a Sean Payton, a proven head coach with 188 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: a Super Bowl ring? What does culture work to you? 189 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: Because he does come as his self contain proven head coach. 190 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 1: There's gonna be a lot of discussion about that, and 191 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: a lot of discussion about what Sean Payton really wants. 192 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: If you believe some of the reports out there, he's 193 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:47,440 Speaker 1: been doing homework on the Cardinals and he's a Kyler 194 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: Murray fan quote end quote. According to Tom Pellicero on 195 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: the NFL Network, we continue with a big red rage 196 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We are santan Ford, 197 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,559 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, I mean, somebody who I've really grown to 198 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: like and appreciate just a great man. I've been around 199 00:12:09,320 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: this organization my entire life, and I don't know any 200 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: coach that has worked harder than Cliff Kingsbury. He has 201 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,839 Speaker 1: put in countless hours and we had a good long 202 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:25,960 Speaker 1: conversation today and which I told him I'm really sorry 203 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: because this is a tough decision. But at the same time, 204 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,160 Speaker 1: it was a decision that needed to be made, and 205 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: I wished it could have worked out better for him, 206 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: because in terms of putting in the effort, there's a 207 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: guy that really deserved to have the outcome that we 208 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 1: were all expecting. You know what's really strange here at 209 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals Dignity Health Training Center, it's a big 210 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: red rage present him by Santan Ford and Gilbert. We 211 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: are Santan Ford Ron Wolf of there. Paul Kelvey's here. 212 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: When you're at the facility, Wolf and you know this, 213 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: and you don't see Cliff Kingsbury's Ford rapp or a 214 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,960 Speaker 1: pickup truck right when it was always there, to the 215 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,120 Speaker 1: point where I'm like, did his battery die? And that 216 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: truck never leaves. He's the first one in, he's the 217 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: last one out. Michael Bidwell is not kidding when you 218 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 1: just talk about the sheer work ethic of a Cliff Kingsbury. 219 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: Now it's all about productivity in the NFL, and ultimately 220 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 1: that was a deciding factor. But I think you would 221 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:25,559 Speaker 1: echo those comments. Yeah, no, Polly, I am a Cliff 222 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: Kingsbury fan. I really am. Yes, his philosophy when it 223 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: comes to the game of football was not my philosophy 224 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 1: for the most part. But this is a guy that 225 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: is incredibly smart. And what I also appreciated about Cliff 226 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: is he's humble as well. And you don't see a 227 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:48,720 Speaker 1: lot of guys that have that combination of being smart, 228 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 1: really smart, and humble, and that's what Cliff was. For 229 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 1: the most part. I appreciate the fact that he wasn't dogmatic, 230 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: he wasn't a chip Kelly. I've spoken of this many times. 231 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: He wasn't coming into the league and thought he was 232 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: going to change the league forever. And we saw that 233 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: in year one when he came in the first half 234 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen, Polly, he was running the air raid. 235 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 1: For the most part, he was running it, and suddenly 236 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: it wasn't working. It was sputtering, So they moved to 237 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: more twelve personnel, two tight ends, more of a power scheme, 238 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 1: and suddenly they played better in the second half. He 239 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: wasn't trying to prove a point. He came in, and 240 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: yes he had a different agenda in terms of offensive football, 241 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: but he came in and he wasn't trying to prove 242 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 1: a point. He was trying to win games. And by 243 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,520 Speaker 1: the way Kyler Murray progressed from his rookie year to 244 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: his second year to his third year, he got better 245 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 1: every year. The first three years in the league, it 246 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: was undeniable Cliff Kingsbury and his staff. They were bringing 247 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: along not only Kyler Murray, but also the entire team. 248 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: That's why they got into the postseason. Yes, I understand 249 00:14:57,800 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 1: they collapsed in the second half of the season in 250 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: year three, and yes, I understand that postseason game wasn't 251 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: good by any stretch of the imagination, but they brought 252 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: Kyler along and they brought the team along as well. 253 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: I just feel like this move when you hear Michael 254 00:15:18,040 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 1: said it was a move that needed to happen for me, 255 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 1: that speaks to Kyler Murray and believing whether or not 256 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: Cliff could actually take Kyler Murray to the next level 257 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: of quarterback play, and as Michael told the media, it's 258 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: not as if anyone is hitting the easy button. Ten 259 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: months ago, Cliff Kingsbury got a significant contract extension that 260 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: would be paid off. In fact, Peter Schreger NFL Network 261 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: had a conversation with Cliff Kingsbury Monday afternoon. Cliff I 262 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: spoke to him yesterday after he got the news. Actually 263 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: said mister Bidwell was incredibly classy, brought him in and 264 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,480 Speaker 1: they had an emotional Farewell Bidwell and Cliff had no 265 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: beef by any means, If anything, Cliff really studied the ship. 266 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,840 Speaker 1: I mean, once Mix City happened and you had the 267 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: situation with the offensive line coach, and you come back 268 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: and the general manager takes a leave of absence, you're 269 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: talking about leadership roles being gone. And Cliff said, put 270 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 1: it on me. I understand. And they hadn't won any 271 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:14,560 Speaker 1: games and they were going down this road, and I 272 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 1: think Bidwell decided that for the better of this organization, 273 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: let's just start with a clean slate. If you're mister 274 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: Bidwell and and you're looking at this, you're like, you 275 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: must really want to clean start because you're eating that 276 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: number and if you're the fans, you've got to feel 277 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: at least enthused that the owner isn't worried about, well, 278 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: what's my wallet saying he's going for this thing. Yeah, 279 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: that's ownership money. That's not deadcamp money. You know, that's 280 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: ownership money. That's a sunk cost. That's called in business 281 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: failing fast. You saw it after Steve Wilkes. You know 282 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 1: that contract was absorbed as well, now with Cliff kingsburying 283 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 1: that extension, same with Steve Kime. So obviously it says 284 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: that when things aren't training in the right direction, then 285 00:16:53,200 --> 00:16:56,600 Speaker 1: guess what the necessary moves will be made. In fact, 286 00:16:56,640 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: speaking of here's Michael Bidwell just on what it's going 287 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: to take PAP financially to find the best candidates. Well, 288 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: what I'm willing to do financially is get the best 289 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: coach and the best GM. I don't know the biggest 290 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: name correlates to the best coach, So I guess what 291 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: I would say is, I definitely want to make sure 292 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 1: that we get the best coach and the best general 293 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 1: manager for this team. Will live with the financial consequences 294 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: and you guys don't have to worry about it. We'll 295 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 1: take care of that. So we'll manage our way through. 296 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,520 Speaker 1: And that's great. We know all about this season, and 297 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: you know you document it. It's very real. The off 298 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,800 Speaker 1: the field distractions very much played into the on field product. 299 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: All you have to do is talk to some of 300 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 1: the players, and a couple of them actually went on 301 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 1: the record and said as much on Monday when they're 302 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: cleaning out their their lockers. Here's the thing, though, you 303 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,879 Speaker 1: had a record setting five of the ten teams that 304 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:50,000 Speaker 1: hire new coaches last year made the playoffs. Doug Peterson 305 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: took Jacksonville from worst of first, Brian Dable made the playoffs, 306 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, Mike McDaniel, Todd Bowl. So it's doable, right, 307 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: These first year coaches can make the postseason if you 308 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 1: find the right candidate. Yeah, and especially too, because I 309 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: think the Arizona Cardinals could actually free up some cap 310 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,199 Speaker 1: space here and there's a lot of free agents of 311 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 1: course that are going to be leaving, and that really 312 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: aligns with having a new general manager and a new 313 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:23,399 Speaker 1: head coach, whoever that may be, whatever the combination may be, 314 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,800 Speaker 1: and bringing them in here trying to make some type 315 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: of move from worst to first whatever it may be. 316 00:18:31,720 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 1: I think that's a possibility, Paulie. But I will say this, 317 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:37,399 Speaker 1: when I listen to Michael Bidwell's say, you know, what's 318 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: to hire the best head coach and the best general manager? 319 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: You know, so much of that makes me think of 320 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. It does. And I know we're going to 321 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: talk about this in a little bit more detail eventually, 322 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: but for me, it is about, Okay, what head coach 323 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,399 Speaker 1: has the best chance of actually reaching Kyler Murray and 324 00:19:01,520 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: being able to take Kyler Murray to that next level 325 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: physically and mentally. Of course, what's the best GM that 326 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 1: might be able to put a team around Kyler Murray 327 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: and taking him to that next level of quarterback play 328 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 1: he and the team well. When it comes to having 329 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: a plan and what ownership is looking for, Michael Bidwell 330 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: was asked about that, I think the key is casting 331 00:19:27,640 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: the net far and wide, making sure that we've got 332 00:19:31,119 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 1: somebody with a very good plan, with right leadership skills 333 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 1: that can come in not only a GM, but also 334 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: it head coach. I don't know that we're as broken 335 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: as maybe people think. I mean, our record is terrible, 336 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: but when you look at the talent on this team, 337 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,960 Speaker 1: We've got a lot of talent. We've just got to 338 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: make sure that they're all playing together. I go back 339 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: to Hard Knocks and the locker room scene after the 340 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: loss to New England and Cliff addressing the team when 341 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: he said, and I'm quoting this, it's maybe a fault 342 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: of mine, but I'm going to treat you like men. 343 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:06,879 Speaker 1: So we have to hold each other accountable. Yet accountabilities 344 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,800 Speaker 1: seem to be a persistent problem throughout the season. They 345 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: try to address it in the off season. I think 346 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: Hard Knocks, that's still my theory, was enacted to add 347 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: another layer of accountability. Yet you just didn't see it. 348 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: You didn't see the attention to detail. James Connor talked 349 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 1: about that with the media. You heard it in Hard Knocks, 350 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,440 Speaker 1: and one of his speeches is about the details about 351 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 1: locking in. So when you talk about culture, well, I 352 00:20:30,240 --> 00:20:33,679 Speaker 1: think that's a byproduct of what the Cardinals are looking for. 353 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:37,879 Speaker 1: And Michael Bidwill said at one point, and I have 354 00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:39,840 Speaker 1: it right here, he said, make sure you have a 355 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: culture of a locker room that's focused on maximum effort 356 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: that one begets the other. Yes, Polly, culture, culture, culture, 357 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 1: you know, Paul how big I am on this and 358 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:56,120 Speaker 1: culture is nothing more than a collection of definitive statements 359 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: that you make about who you are and what you're 360 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 1: going to do. Like, for instance, we're going to be 361 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:06,040 Speaker 1: the most physical team in the league. Is that is 362 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 1: what you believe, You're gonna say it, You're gonna speak it, 363 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: and then you're gonna try to fulfill that. We're gonna 364 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: be you know, we're gonna build our depth chart on 365 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: the foundation of discipline. We're gonna practice the game of 366 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: football hard. And if you don't believe in practicing football hard, 367 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,400 Speaker 1: there's a chance you're not going to be here. It's 368 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:32,760 Speaker 1: a collection of definitive statements about beliefs that you have 369 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 1: and man, I'll tell you, it helps you pick guys 370 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 1: that are out there, whether you're in the draft, whether 371 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: it's free agency. It helps the general manager in particular, 372 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: and it's the reason why he's got to have the 373 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: blessing of the head coach. But it helps that team 374 00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: go out and fill the roster positions that you have 375 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: with guys who believe that stuff. You know, we have 376 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,879 Speaker 1: conversations with Drew stand at the stadium. Obviously he was 377 00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:05,360 Speaker 1: on the Red Sea Report this week. Wolf with Craig Grigor, 378 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 1: little Kyle Vanabosh, and he's asked about some of these 379 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: young offensive head coaches, you know this wave that you 380 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: cited right the last few years, and how half of 381 00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: seemingly failed, And according to Drew, the most important thing 382 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 1: beyond the xes and ohs is you have to be 383 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a great leader of men. So whereas yes, these are 384 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: great offensive minds and game planners and play callers, can 385 00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: you lead the locker room? Can you get the most 386 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: out of your roster? And that's what really separates those 387 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: long term head coaches who flourish from those who may 388 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 1: not make it to a second or third contract. So 389 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: I thought that was intriguing. In fact, we'll continue to 390 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: talk about Kyler Murray and what that means from the 391 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 1: new coaching staff when we come back. It is a 392 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: big red rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. We 393 00:22:54,359 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 1: are santan Ford, all right. Let's started out with Robert 394 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: Downey junior. All right, So here's the deal, empty set 395 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:08,720 Speaker 1: now from Murray. Three receivers right, of course, it is 396 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: snapped to Kyler looking right now back in the middle. 397 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: Now runs to the right. A lot of right here, 398 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: three right turns brings you back to the same place, 399 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 1: I believe, all right, Morgan Freeman, then from here on out, 400 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:27,679 Speaker 1: looking still dancing around, pointing, still holding the ball like 401 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: a street ball in the backyard. He's still got it. 402 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: Runs right to the ten, cuts left to the five, 403 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,479 Speaker 1: and he's gonna score, all right, dude, de nironell Oh 404 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: my goodness, ha hah. Kayler, murray on that play. On 405 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: a play that took about a minute, somehow get to 406 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 1: the ends off for two points. This is the entertainment 407 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 1: capital of the world. And I don't think I've ever 408 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,120 Speaker 1: seen the two point play is entertaining as a hack? 409 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: All right? Now with Wolfley stepping in here to mel Kiper, 410 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:00,640 Speaker 1: I'll talk about I've never seen that for my life, 411 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: and I've had a tremendously long life. Somebody tell me 412 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 1: how long that play is? You know. Let Kyler sit 413 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: down and do the yoda right now, because that is unbelievable. 414 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 1: And listen, there a lot of things in my life, 415 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: but when the world is do the yoda, I mean 416 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: talking about a guy who sometimes why. It is episode 417 00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: fifty five of the Dave Pash Podcast, and it dropped today, Okay, 418 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 1: A fresh pod it's so good fresh Frank Caliendo, Oh, 419 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: the singular, the incomparable Frank Caliendo, all the voices, all 420 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 1: the comedy. I mean he puts the entertainment and infotainment. 421 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,080 Speaker 1: Put it that way. It's a great stuff. Wherever year 422 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: podcast on Twitter at pash pod and uh yeah, Wolf, 423 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 1: let's just say you're impersonated at some point during the pod. Yeah, okay, Frankie, 424 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: you gotta work on Okay, I've heard kids do better 425 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: job than that. But Frankie all the other nails. It's 426 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: great stuff. And you know what, it's a perfect anecdote 427 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: coming off a long season, is it not. So go 428 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: ahead and check out the pash pod. As for the Cardinals, 429 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,200 Speaker 1: and you heard Kyler Murray and the reference right there. Look, 430 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: I agree with you. You know, there are reasons why 431 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: head coaches are replaced, and we've heard Michael Bidwell tick 432 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 1: off some of the reasons in the past over the years. Right, 433 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: if you're not competitive within your own division, for example, 434 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: you know, maybe a head coach might lose the locker 435 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,280 Speaker 1: room leadership. Hey, it could be for your fan base 436 00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: or for sponsors you got to restore hope, could be 437 00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: all the above. But ultimately, when you have a young 438 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 1: franchise quarterback, it was offensive Rookie of the year his 439 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: first year and then a pro bowler's next two years. 440 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,720 Speaker 1: But ever since the playoff loss hasn't quite been the same. 441 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: That is where it starts, doesn't not, Ron Wolf. I mean, 442 00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,280 Speaker 1: anybody who gets the GM and the head coaching job 443 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: better have a plan in mind for Kyler Murray. Yeah, 444 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,400 Speaker 1: that is job one. It's got to be job one 445 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:06,199 Speaker 1: right now. You've invested so much time, of course, and 446 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,200 Speaker 1: money into Kyler Murray and two hundred and thirty million 447 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: dollar contract, of course, and he was getting better from 448 00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: his rookie year to his third year. My goodness, Paul, 449 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: We've talked about it many times. The advancement the development 450 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: of Kyler Murray seemed to be on track. And guess what, 451 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: so did the wins and then year four came around. 452 00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 1: In man, there was a step back for Kyler Murray 453 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: right now, and I do believe more than anything else, 454 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: it's that step back that ultimately got Cliff and his 455 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,119 Speaker 1: staff out of here and now we're here where we 456 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,639 Speaker 1: are looking for a replacement. Those replacements, whether it is 457 00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:53,439 Speaker 1: a general manager or a head coach, whoever you bring 458 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,119 Speaker 1: into the organization to get this right, they have to 459 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,119 Speaker 1: fix Kyler Murray first. They have to be able to 460 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,719 Speaker 1: reach Kyler Murray first. And Paul the first guy that 461 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: has to do that. As Kyler Murray himself, He's got 462 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: to be personally responsible for his own development. Look at himself, 463 00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 1: take off the rose colored glasses, look at himself and say, man, 464 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,000 Speaker 1: as a player, I can get better, and I need 465 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: to get better. I need to advance my development. And 466 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: I think a lot of that development has to do 467 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: with a blending of the old and the new. And 468 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: you've heard me talk about it for years, and we'll 469 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: see what the head coach has in mind. I'll give 470 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: you a few thoughts and what a few people have 471 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: said about that. But Michael Bidwell, when meeting the media, 472 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 1: was asked about Kyler Murray specifically and whether he would 473 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: have a say in this process. We're in communication and 474 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: absolutely want to get the input of our leaders, including Kyler, 475 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: and spoken with a number of leaders already. Input not 476 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 1: a say in the decision, but feedback, some input. Hey, 477 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: maybe even a conversation with a prospective head coach who 478 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: makes it to the final stages. I could see that, 479 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 1: But ultimately this is going to be a decision made 480 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: by those in the front office, and when they do, 481 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 1: they're going to be looking at a Kyler Murray who 482 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 1: at least well, if you think back to when he 483 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: first landed on the scene out of the draft, how 484 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: do we talk about Kyler Murray? We talked about him 485 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: as a pocket quarterback or at least a passing quarterback 486 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: who can run, not a running quarterback who can throw 487 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:32,360 Speaker 1: at times. And so I think there's still this misperception 488 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,720 Speaker 1: out there about Kyler's abilities to dissect a defense with 489 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: his arm, with his mind. Now, we didn't see enough 490 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: of that this year, obviously, and to me, the real 491 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: regression was in the lack of downfield passing attack as 492 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: compared to the last couple of years. But you've seen, 493 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,200 Speaker 1: like what the forty nine ers do, how they can 494 00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: win with a rookie third string quarterback when you build 495 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: everything else around that quarterback, so the entire offensive game 496 00:28:56,800 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: plan isn't solely dependent on the performance of the key Yeah, bully, 497 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,640 Speaker 1: And you know it was interesting too not to bring 498 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: in Sean Payton once again because we are going to 499 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: talk about that. But you know, Sean Payton when asked 500 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: what he would do with Kyler Murray. Of course, he 501 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 1: was talking about bringing in an offense where he was 502 00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: under center more and he was going to run the 503 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: play action that goes with all of that. Those are 504 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: the bootlegs, the waggles, of course, the seven step drop 505 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: right in the pocket with play action throwing the ball. 506 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: But it wasn't just about that. It was also about 507 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 1: running the ball. He was talking about running the ball. 508 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: This is I don't care who Michael goes out and 509 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: hires and brings in, because the guy is going to 510 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: run that kind of offense. I don't care if it's 511 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 1: a general manager, if it's a head coach, wherever he 512 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,640 Speaker 1: gets him from. That's exactly what I think is going 513 00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: to happen, the evolution of this offense, Paul moving him 514 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: around from shotgun to pistol to your center and doing 515 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 1: it consistently and then running the plays that come with it. 516 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,920 Speaker 1: That's the next step I see for Kyler Murray. This 517 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 1: is just my opinion right now, but I think that's 518 00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: exactly where they're going to try to take him. And 519 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: you know, Michael Bidwell was asked about Kyler Murray and 520 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,440 Speaker 1: coming off the knee injury and what that means for 521 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: this team when he's healthy again, he's going to recover 522 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 1: from the miss injury and we're going to have a 523 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: great player come back next year. And so I think 524 00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:34,600 Speaker 1: it's really important for us to make sure that we 525 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: don't lose sight of that. And let's not lose sight 526 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: of thirteen months ago. We're the hottest team in the 527 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,240 Speaker 1: league just thirteen months ago, and so you've all seen it. 528 00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 1: They're teams that have been down a few years ago 529 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 1: that have flipped around and now are in the playoffs. 530 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: So I feel like we can be a quick turnaround. 531 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,680 Speaker 1: We've got to get the right head coach, the right 532 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: general manager. In here. You mentioned those comments Sean Payton 533 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,200 Speaker 1: talking about Kyler Murray, and go back to September. It 534 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: was on The Cowherd Show, and I have the quote 535 00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: here in front of me. I'm not going to read 536 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: the entire thing, but you're exactly right. He talked about 537 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 1: developing a better running game under center, hand the ball 538 00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,520 Speaker 1: off to another really good player, you know, a few 539 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: more layups. He called it Sean Payton for Kyler Murray, 540 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,720 Speaker 1: which is something Kurt Warner has talked about trying to 541 00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: get some of those easier throws and then and then 542 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 1: he said, Sean Payton, when I need those plays that 543 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 1: are singularly Kyler, they're gonna come spontaneously, like third down 544 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: or red zone. And you know what I thought of, 545 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: and you can tell me if I'm right or wrong. 546 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: This team under Cliff Kingsbury was at its absolute best 547 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: during that seven and oz start Week four at the 548 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: La Rams And what did they do? They ran at 549 00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 1: thirty nine times for over two hundred yards, and Kyler 550 00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,440 Speaker 1: was killing that Rams defense on plays like when it 551 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: was third and fourteen, right, and he just organically ran 552 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: for sixteen and it deflated the entire Rams defense. It 553 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,560 Speaker 1: was the combination of all of that and that's where 554 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals to me, were at their best in the 555 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury era. Yes, no, Paul, you're all over this. 556 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: And see that's exactly what I believe as well. I've 557 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 1: talked about this many many times. What you hear Sean 558 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 1: Payton saying is you know what, listen, if you build 559 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: your offense around Kyler Murray running the ball, if that's 560 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 1: what you're doing, you're calling his number and building your 561 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: offense around him running the ball in order to be successful, 562 00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: you're doing it the wrong way. You are. What you 563 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:33,400 Speaker 1: need to do is allow him spontaneously to actually use 564 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,160 Speaker 1: that talent. Well. One of the ways to do that 565 00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 1: is get him out on the edge man for the 566 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: most part, get him out on the edge with a boot, 567 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: with a waggle, whatever it may be. Let him pull 568 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: the ball down of course, and converts with his legs. 569 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,720 Speaker 1: That's where you want Kyler Murray running the ball. You 570 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:54,280 Speaker 1: don't want to call Kyler Murray's number in terms of hey, 571 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:57,760 Speaker 1: let's run quarterback power right here. Let's run a ton 572 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: of zone reads where the d defense can actually dictate 573 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 1: what Kyler does with the ball if you want to. 574 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120 Speaker 1: If you want Kyler Murray running the ball, you can 575 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: actually dictate it based on the zone reads and defensively 576 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: what you do. So I think it's got to be 577 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: a use of Kyler Murray spontaneously with his athleticism and 578 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: not a lot of cold runs and soda. Sean Payton 579 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,800 Speaker 1: believe that doesn't look like Lamar Jackson is going to 580 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,440 Speaker 1: play in his playoff game. Jalen Hurts has been banged 581 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: up justin fields we know what happened to Cam Newton 582 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: After all those hits running quarterback power right, defensive coordinators 583 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: adapt they have figured out how to defend that. At 584 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,960 Speaker 1: this point, hey joined the season ticket priority lists. Select 585 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: your seats before the general public. The opponents next season 586 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: include the Seahawks, Niners, and Rams, plus the Giants, Cowboys, Ravens, 587 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,520 Speaker 1: Falcons and Bengals. Just go to easy Cardinals dot com 588 00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: slash priority list for all the info. We continue with 589 00:33:52,840 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 1: a big red rage. Have me as Jack Nicholson, him 590 00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 1: and Wolf as Steve and three receivers. Judy, you're right 591 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: back to throw, ripping hit and sacked absolutely mulled by J. J. 592 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:17,560 Speaker 1: Watt at the forty eight yard line. That's like turning 593 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: around and all of a sudden jaws there ready to 594 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:26,879 Speaker 1: swallow you up like I just did right there. Who 595 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: is the seven? I have to sound even understand what's 596 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 1: going on right here? Jack Nicholson almost inhaled me, which 597 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 1: probably has been said before. How about that right there? J. J. 598 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: Watt gets turned loose by the right tackle, the Codinals 599 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 1: bringing in all sorts of gas right there and J. J. 600 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: Watt the apparent benefactor. Freshly posted pashpod starring Frank Aliando. 601 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: He's re enacting real play calls from you and pash Wolf. 602 00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: So how does that feel? Those are real, word for word, 603 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 1: verbatim play calls in just various celebrity voy So you 604 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,400 Speaker 1: know what's a reaction to that. The amount of talent 605 00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: that man has is just stunning. I mean, oh my goodness, 606 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 1: just so entertaining to her, A struggle behind the mic 607 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:16,439 Speaker 1: all these years and he just comes in and lights 608 00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 1: it up and then you know, a half hour he 609 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: kills it and then he just goes back home. It's unbelievable. 610 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,879 Speaker 1: It's so the Pashpod is out and you can find 611 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: it wherever you get your podcasts and then on Twitter 612 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,719 Speaker 1: via at pashpod. Big Red Rage presented by Santan Ford 613 00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:33,440 Speaker 1: and Gilbert We are Santan Ford, Paul kelvc Ron Wolfley, 614 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: and a new look Arizona Cardinals team as there will 615 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,080 Speaker 1: be a new head coach, there will be a new GM. 616 00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: In fact, Michael Bidwell was asked about, Okay, how do 617 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 1: you go ahead and delegate roster control? And there's always 618 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 1: that favorite question of you know, who's in control of 619 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:52,720 Speaker 1: the roster. It's it's when you look at it. Pretty 620 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 1: much every team around the league except for just a 621 00:35:54,719 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: few exceptions, there's a real partnership between the general manager 622 00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,840 Speaker 1: and the head coach, and I think that's that's what 623 00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: we're looking for, rather than trying to dictate something up 624 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,279 Speaker 1: front and there are assets. I mean, you know when 625 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: he said, okay, um, and we'll hear this a little 626 00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:14,799 Speaker 1: bit later, just about okay, the state of the team. 627 00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,799 Speaker 1: I mean, Wolf, if if you can go ahead and 628 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,880 Speaker 1: address the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball, 629 00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: then you know, this to me could be potentially a 630 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 1: fairly quick fix, depending ultimately on the health of Kyla Murray. Yeah, Polly, 631 00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: I think that really is the rebuild for the Arizona 632 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: Cardinals on the line of scrimmage on both sides of 633 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:37,960 Speaker 1: the ball right here. But I just want to go 634 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 1: back quickly to what Michael was talking about right there. 635 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,799 Speaker 1: Sometimes the general manager and the head coach is the 636 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:47,840 Speaker 1: same person, right, That's all I'm saying, Polly, and makes 637 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:52,200 Speaker 1: pardon can be You're right, absolutely, and that makes roster 638 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,840 Speaker 1: control very very simple right there. But you know, going 639 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,240 Speaker 1: back to it, Paul, I mean, once again, yes, they've 640 00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,040 Speaker 1: got to be on the same page. That's imperative. If 641 00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:06,960 Speaker 1: you are going to have a general manager and a 642 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: head coach, they've got to be symbiotic in how they 643 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 1: view the game of football, how they see the game 644 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: of football being played. That culture that we talked about. 645 00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: That's why I think it's important that Michael if in 646 00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: fact it's not going to be one person that fills 647 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 1: the head coaching job and the general manager, if it 648 00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,719 Speaker 1: is going to be somebody that he'll hire, whether it's 649 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: inside the organization or outside the organization, I think it's 650 00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 1: important to get a general manager first. And he has 651 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: specified that he'd like to do it that way. It 652 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it's going to happen that way, but he'd 653 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: like to do it that way. And I think that 654 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: way you get a guy who's looking for the same 655 00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 1: type of culture in his head coach. So you hire 656 00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,280 Speaker 1: the GM, and then it makes it a little easier 657 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,320 Speaker 1: to go out and get at that head coach because 658 00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,920 Speaker 1: you got two like minded individuals. And once you identify 659 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,560 Speaker 1: and hire those two spots, those two positions, well then 660 00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,560 Speaker 1: the question becomes, all right, what needs to be improved First, 661 00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 1: here's the owner of Michael Bidwell. I think the number 662 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: one thing is we need to really make sure that 663 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: we're getting the most out of those players and that 664 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,919 Speaker 1: the players are one hundred percent committed to making sure 665 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: that we do everything we can do. And I've been 666 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 1: speaking to some of our leaders and there we want 667 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: to make sure that we've got the culture of that 668 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: locker room, the culture of our organization really focused on 669 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: maximum effort and making sure we do everything we can 670 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:41,000 Speaker 1: do to win the NFC West once again. You know, 671 00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:43,400 Speaker 1: players went on the record and they said it on 672 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 1: Monday packing up their lockers. There definitely been too many distractions, 673 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: and so it's you know, less is more, And it 674 00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: really started with the off season in January a year ago, 675 00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,400 Speaker 1: whether it was the contract negotiations, everything going on, the 676 00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: tragic passing to Jeff Gladdie. Gonna have enough time to 677 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: go through everything that was off the field that impacted 678 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:05,120 Speaker 1: on the field. So if you can go ahead and 679 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,279 Speaker 1: you can dial that in Wolf and then try and 680 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,840 Speaker 1: figure out, okay, what places need addressing. For example, DeAndre 681 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,680 Speaker 1: Hopkins already there is a lot of speculation that d 682 00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: hop might be on the trade block. What says you 683 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,920 Speaker 1: when it comes to that question, Yeah, Paul it's it's 684 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,040 Speaker 1: a great question. You know how I feel about the 685 00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:28,240 Speaker 1: hop I love the guy thirty years old right now 686 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,439 Speaker 1: and still has value. I think the Arizona Cardinals are 687 00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: going to receive and probably are receiving a lot of 688 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: phone calls about DeAndre Hopkins and his future right now. 689 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 1: There's a lot of value there. I would imagine they're 690 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 1: going to get multiple teams with multiple phone calls on 691 00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,040 Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins and what they're gonna do there, I do 692 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: not know, But you know, when you're in a rebuild, 693 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,839 Speaker 1: and yes, I don't think it's a full on rebuild 694 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: of the entire team, not when you've gotch or franchise quarterback. 695 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: But I do believe on the line of scrimmage offensively 696 00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:08,840 Speaker 1: and defensively, as we discussed earlier, that's where they're gonna 697 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: focus or attention a lot of it on this rebuild. 698 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:18,399 Speaker 1: You know, at some point in time, d hop with 699 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 1: all the value that he has out there, somebody's gonna 700 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,359 Speaker 1: offer you something that's a little bit too good to 701 00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,680 Speaker 1: turn down. And for what is I think that's gonna happen. 702 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,040 Speaker 1: I agree, I really do. He's missed fifteen games the 703 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: last two years and you know what, if you can 704 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:37,080 Speaker 1: sell high, maybe even get a first round pick. I 705 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,719 Speaker 1: think absolutely, you do it. Maybe he knows as much. 706 00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,240 Speaker 1: He posted a picture of himself in a Cardinals uniform 707 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: on social media with the words quote forever grateful, dot 708 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: dot dot, almost as if he's turning the page. He 709 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,560 Speaker 1: does have a no trade clause, so maybe the feeling 710 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,920 Speaker 1: is mutual that it's the best fit for both sides. 711 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 1: All we know is that there is going to be 712 00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,359 Speaker 1: changed and at the end of this season. And here's 713 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: the story from Mike Garret, Folo NFL Network reporter about 714 00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,040 Speaker 1: Adrian Wilson and Quinn Harris going into the Cardinals locker 715 00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: room with a couple of games to go. I do 716 00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,799 Speaker 1: want to say something about Wilson and Harris because both 717 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,439 Speaker 1: of those guys addressed the team in a meeting within 718 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,160 Speaker 1: the last two weeks. I am told with the message 719 00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: of hey, we're coming down the stretch here. You guys 720 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:21,640 Speaker 1: need to work and we need to work too. They 721 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: may blow up the whole thing, but if we're moving 722 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,080 Speaker 1: forward as the general managers or one out of the 723 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: two of them and the other one still may be 724 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,759 Speaker 1: perhaps in place. We want to see guys that are 725 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:33,600 Speaker 1: willing to put in the work around here. So this 726 00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: feels like a time where a changing culture is much 727 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:40,120 Speaker 1: needed for the Arizona Cardinals. And I know that that 728 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,839 Speaker 1: was taken two different ways by the players in the room. 729 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,160 Speaker 1: It sounds like some guys were a little perturbed by it, 730 00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,600 Speaker 1: but other guys, some veterans who have been successful around 731 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,040 Speaker 1: the league, said that needed to be said. So they 732 00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:54,240 Speaker 1: appreciated the message from Adrian Wilson. He's got a shot 733 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,799 Speaker 1: as well as Harris, to keep the job there as 734 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: the general manager going forward. And if so, look for 735 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 1: want you to be a big thing that he's looking 736 00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: to push forward and to change in Arizona. And you 737 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 1: know what, maybe that was telling. Maybe they're looking for 738 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,440 Speaker 1: guy's reactions because if you are perturbed by being asked 739 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,160 Speaker 1: to do your job at your utmost, then guess what, 740 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,480 Speaker 1: Maybe you are part of the problem instead of part 741 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:20,239 Speaker 1: of the solution going forward. Man PAULI, you should never 742 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: be upset that somebody would walk up and challenge you. 743 00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:30,080 Speaker 1: That's exactly what leadership really is, in my opinion. I'm 744 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 1: sorry it is. It's not screaming rah rah rah. We're 745 00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,000 Speaker 1: going to hit him high hit him five dance. It's 746 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: not that, it's it's about being accountable. First of all, 747 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: you being accountable, holding yourself to a standard. You'll never 748 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: hold any of your teammates too. You be accountable to 749 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: that level. And then because you go about your business 750 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,160 Speaker 1: in the right way and you you engage in the 751 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,880 Speaker 1: essence of the game of football, then after holding yourself 752 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,520 Speaker 1: accountable first, you're able to walk up on your teammates 753 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:07,879 Speaker 1: and say, dude, man, this isn't who you are. What 754 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,040 Speaker 1: are you doing? Because you're out there making mistakes and 755 00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:16,160 Speaker 1: you're killing us. You have to hold your teammates accountable. 756 00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:18,520 Speaker 1: But the only way you can do that, Polly, is 757 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: to hold yourself first accountable. Look at the Lions and 758 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,840 Speaker 1: the Detroit Lions turn around and the sort of player 759 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,880 Speaker 1: they've tried to bring in. We're not talking necessarily skill set, 760 00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:34,399 Speaker 1: but mindset, yes, and there's a real distinct difference as 761 00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,959 Speaker 1: to maybe what the Lions used to pursue in terms 762 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:40,320 Speaker 1: of a player and what they've currently been going after. Obviously, 763 00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,000 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell is more of an old school, in your 764 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 1: face type of head coach, but they want that mentality 765 00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: in that locker room that has enabled the Lions, in 766 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,040 Speaker 1: their woeful ways, to turn it around and have quite 767 00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 1: a finish to the season, and it looks like a 768 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,680 Speaker 1: pretty bright future. Oh my goodness, Polly, I'm so glad 769 00:43:56,719 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: you brought them up because that is exhibit at of 770 00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 1: what culture can truly do for you. I think of 771 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,920 Speaker 1: Dan Campbell, of course, Chris Spielman as well, who is 772 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:14,879 Speaker 1: integral inside that organization in the front office. Doesn't really 773 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,960 Speaker 1: have a position, like he's not general manager, he's not 774 00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:20,880 Speaker 1: the director of a player personnel, he's not the president. 775 00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: He's just a guy who's walking around basically, and he 776 00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,480 Speaker 1: brings that culture with Dan Campbell, and they demanded of 777 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: everyone they bring in the organization, Paul, you better be tough, 778 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: you better be physical, or you're not going to do 779 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: well here. Hey, it can be done. Brian Dable just 780 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,560 Speaker 1: led the Giants from four and thirteen to the playoffs. Yes, 781 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,319 Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones who was taken behind Kyler Murray. And oh, 782 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,800 Speaker 1: by the way, you know what the Giants had to 783 00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:51,920 Speaker 1: deal with this year, a staggering fifty five million dollars 784 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:54,480 Speaker 1: in dead money, and they were still able to get 785 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: to the playoffs. So the first time since two sixteen 786 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:02,680 Speaker 1: special Thanks as always Secular producer Jim Almandro, Technical Director 787 00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: Lauren Coble, Ron Wolfley. I'm Paul Calveci. This has been 788 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: the Big Red Rage presented by santan Ford and Gilbert. 789 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: We are santan Ford number one. Kyler. You've been listening 790 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:26,320 Speaker 1: to the Big Red Rage presented by Santanford in Gilbert. 791 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:31,280 Speaker 1: Are you? 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