WEBVTT - Part Two: The Slavery Loving Fascist who Built Modern Japan 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:08.360 Ah, Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:13.080 where Sophie was just telling me how much she thinks 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:16.800 it would be a good idea to reboot the TV 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:21.520 show Friends, but instead of being the cast of Friends, 0:00:22.040 --> 0:00:28.240 all of the characters are famous medical malpractice committers from history, 0:00:28.920 --> 0:00:31.600 and it's a show about them trying to get away 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:33.840 with maiming their patients. I think it's a bold idea 0:00:33.880 --> 0:00:35.960 for a TV show, Sophie. I think we should pitch 0:00:36.000 --> 0:00:40.040 it to Netflix right now. Thank you. That's that's That's 0:00:40.159 --> 0:00:44.200 totally not something I would ever say, because Girl Girlfriends 0:00:44.320 --> 0:00:46.600 was a better show than Friends. Um, but you know, 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:49.199 let's just accept that Sophie said that and move on 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:52.080 to Christopher Wong. Christopher, how are you doing? In part 0:00:52.080 --> 0:00:54.560 two of this episode? Doing doing? Doing as well as 0:00:54.600 --> 0:00:57.120 you can be? Preparing to just talk about Japanese war 0:00:57.200 --> 0:01:00.680 crimes for an hour. I resisted the urge to open 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.320 this by saying, what's manning my cheery is because I 0:01:03.400 --> 0:01:15.840 thought that might be distasteful. Yeah, anyway, let's dive back in. Yeah, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.480 all right, so we're about to start talking about the 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:23.200 Japanese forced labor system, and I think the best way 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.160 to introduce this is by I'm going to read part 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:29.120 of the introduction to a book called Asian Labor and 0:01:29.160 --> 0:01:32.560 the Wartime Japanese Empire, Unknown Histories, which is this Basically, 0:01:32.560 --> 0:01:36.959 there's a conference on sort of Japanese war crimes, Japanese force, labor, tree, 0:01:37.240 --> 0:01:39.440 tree the war, and they all that all the sort 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:41.320 of papers in that are like combined into this book, 0:01:41.600 --> 0:01:46.400 and the introduction goes, Grief and despair find little place 0:01:46.440 --> 0:01:48.760 in most historical accounts that are absent from most of 0:01:48.760 --> 0:01:51.760 the source material historians use. The hundreds of thousands who 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:55.920 died were sons, husbands and fathers, or sometimes daughters, wives 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.800 and mothers, and had families awaiting their return. Deaths often 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.760 went unrecorded. Coolie is too sick to work, replaced in 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.760 death houses where they spent their final hours and accumulated filth, 0:02:05.200 --> 0:02:07.520 but in vomit and the excrement produced by those who 0:02:07.520 --> 0:02:10.400 had died before them. Without food or medicine, and certainly 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:14.000 without hope, their corpses were thrown into unbarked graves, or 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:16.760 burned or abandoned in forests, or tossing the rivers. We 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:25.760 welcomed behind the bastard people now it's it's really hard 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:28.760 to pin down the exact number of people who were 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:31.720 forced to work around the Japanese Empire. And this is 0:02:31.760 --> 0:02:33.640 you know, this is a running theme of of this 0:02:33.760 --> 0:02:36.760 this episode, is that right before Japan was occupied the 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.200 end of WORLDAR two, they destroyed all of their records. 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.920 Like I mean this and this word like this is 0:02:40.919 --> 0:02:42.760 not just records in Japan, like this word goes all 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:44.600 the way down the command chain, the destroying records just 0:02:44.680 --> 0:02:47.200 everywhere they can find them. So most of what we 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:51.400 have our estimates, and you know, the estimates estimates are 0:02:51.440 --> 0:02:54.359 not good. The Indonesian government estimates that four point one 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.880 million Indonesians were forced to work for Japan's in the war. 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:59.160 I mean, you know, it's just just to get us 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:00.960 into the scale if they like. There there's there's an 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.000 individual railroad called the Taye Burma Railroad just alone that 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.000 uses a hundred and eighty thousand possibly there's many as 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.120 two hundred seventy thousand people, and you know the yeah, 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:17.320 the number in in China five seems to have been 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:20.079 about three million. But you know that that's the only 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:23.200 period we have even sort of okay numbers about before that. 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:26.119 We just don't know. And you know, this is also 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.640 happening in Korea. Ten thousand Koreans are scripted into the army. 0:03:29.720 --> 0:03:32.120 There's seven hundred thousand New York restripted to forced labor. 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.079 And Kishi is going to import a lot of those 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.320 people like to Japan to do forced labor. Everywhere the 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:40.400 Japanese Empire goes, they're they're doing this and you know, 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:42.720 and we've talked about last episode about how sort of 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.800 the starts with Kishi talking about you know, Kishi's like, okay, well, 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:47.920 well we'll put the world, we'll put the prisoners award 0:03:47.960 --> 0:03:50.400 to work. And then it expands to just like you know, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.440 people who are vagrants and people don't have jobs, and 0:03:52.440 --> 0:03:55.560 then it's like anyone who opposes us, and by by 0:03:55.600 --> 0:04:00.800 by nine one, the Japanese Army is doing just slave raids. Yeah, 0:04:00.840 --> 0:04:04.640 but between two the Japanese Army burns tens of thousands 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:07.600 of Chinese villages and they put the survivors in concentration 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:09.760 camps and they put about they put about a hundred 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.360 thousand people into these force labor camps, and of these 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:21.640 conscripts of them die this scripts yeah sure, yeah, you know, 0:04:21.640 --> 0:04:25.320 and I said it's like that's thirty is kind of 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:27.880 being dragged down by the fact that there are some 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:32.120 places where the conditions aren't as bad. Um Yeah, you know, 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:33.640 and you're like, you know, we can we talk about 0:04:33.640 --> 0:04:36.520 a place where it was really bad. Um. So. One 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:39.040 of the centers of Kishi's five year plan in Manchuria 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.800 is these coal mines in Fushan, and you know, these 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:44.359 these are the coal mines that are like fueling all 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:47.440 of these on industrial developments. And the replacement rate for 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:51.560 these workers between four was out of every four forty 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:53.960 workers total they had, they had to replace twenty five 0:04:54.000 --> 0:04:56.719 thousand of them every year. And you know a small 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.960 number of these people just like escaped, but almost every 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:01.880 one else and this is you know, a very small 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.039 percentages of escape. Almost everyone else. Almost all the people 0:05:05.279 --> 0:05:07.920 either died on the job or Japanese arm just executed 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.720 them forend subordination, because you know, this is something the 0:05:10.800 --> 0:05:12.599 Japanese Army starts to do in this period, is that 0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.080 they just you know, they just start randomly killing people. 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:18.720 And like these these people we talked about a bit 0:05:18.760 --> 0:05:21.280 about the conditions they die. A lot of these people 0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:23.839 die from dysentery and they die from cholera because you 0:05:23.880 --> 0:05:26.279 know these camps like that, there's there's no medical facilities 0:05:26.320 --> 0:05:27.960 at all, right, so you know when you get sick, 0:05:28.000 --> 0:05:29.880 they just like they lay you on a cotton. You die. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:31.880 And you know when a lot of these people are 0:05:31.920 --> 0:05:34.120 dying from over work, that die from starvation, and you know, 0:05:34.160 --> 0:05:36.480 and then also like the Japanese army, like they're really 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:39.240 creative about like how they kill people. So I mean 0:05:39.320 --> 0:05:40.920 you have like the classic like they beat people, they 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.840 stab people, they shoot, they light them on fire. They 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.560 also like they told them off boats. They like they 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:50.200 drown people in submarines. What's the thing I've never found 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:51.800 another like recorded thing and people do is like the 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.880 force boat people to a submarine and just sink it. 0:05:54.200 --> 0:05:58.320 Oh god, really they if they're burning a whole submarine, 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:02.080 they really want to stead Yeah, and like like this 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:05.280 is a this is the thing, like particularly we'll get 0:06:05.279 --> 0:06:07.200 more in to this in a bit, Like particularly like 0:06:07.440 --> 0:06:09.400 that that that's the way they kill like comfort women 0:06:09.640 --> 0:06:12.239 because yeah, they don't want any record of them existing, 0:06:12.279 --> 0:06:14.640 so we'll we'll we'll we'll put them in a submarine 0:06:14.640 --> 0:06:20.839 and things. It's it's a way of disappearing, Okay, well, yep, yep, 0:06:21.160 --> 0:06:23.880 that's that's a bomber. Yeah. So so all all of 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:29.800 those numbers, that's that's just for you know, physical labor um. 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.640 Japan is also running something called the comfort Women's system. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:35.599 And you know, the comfort women's system is this the 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:39.480 academic and legal term for Japan's military sex slavery system. 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.760 And so you know, if you read academic accounts, you 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:45.760 read journalistic accounts, you read like legal accounts, they talk 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:48.360 about comfort women and comfort stations and use all of these. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.760 You know, it's like pretty little euphemisms developed by Japan 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.800 specifically so that in their in their in their their 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:55.599 communications about it, they can sort of obscure what's actually 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.760 happening here. And this is the point where it becomes 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:00.400 useful that I am the longer in a demi and 0:07:00.400 --> 0:07:02.440 I'm not a lawyer, which means I don't have to 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:06.200 use any of these. What this is is it an enormous, bureaucratic, 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:09.520 organized system of military sexual slavery, ran of army rape rooms. 0:07:09.920 --> 0:07:13.960 And the first the first of yeah, it's it's it's 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.640 bad stuff. The first of these these sort of military 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.440 rape stations is set up in Shanghai after the Japan 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:22.680 launches an attack on Shanghai, and I think thirty two 0:07:22.720 --> 0:07:24.880 is one of their sort of They had these like 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:30.080 periodic sort of fights with with with the Chinese governments 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.040 basically up until thirty seven, when like the actual war starts. 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:37.160 And I want to go into what happened here, because 0:07:37.720 --> 0:07:40.560 you know, most accounts a sort of Japanese sexual atrocities 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:43.480 in East Asia. Give this, give this, like this whole 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:46.600 the ninety two attack like one line, and so I 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:48.920 want to read this passage from the book Chinese Confort 0:07:48.960 --> 0:07:53.120 Women testimonies for Imperial Japan's sex slaves. The soldiers immediately 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:56.160 kidnapped good looking local women and kept them in military 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:58.679 barracks and sex slaves. At the same time, the troops 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:02.320 continue to assault women in near by villages. Reportedly, over 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.760 one thousand local women were raped in their homes. Not 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:07.920 even pregnant women, young girls, or elderly women were spared. 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:10.400 Within the same reason and region. In the autumn of 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:13.400 nineteen five, more than a hundred Japanese soldiers attacked an 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.120 area where the Chinese Resistance Force was active. Carrying machine guns, 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.720 the troops drove the villagers into a large yard, dragged 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:23.680 all the women out of the crowd and raped them 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:26.720 in the presence of their family members. Several soldiers ripped 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:28.560 the clothes off a woman who was six months pregnant 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.360 tighter to a table in the yard. They took photographs 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:33.920 while violating her, and then cut her admen open and 0:08:33.960 --> 0:08:37.199 plucked the fetus out with a band. Neet and and 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:43.640 this that is before the start of the war. Nope, yeah, 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:47.439 this is this is that that's that's that's five. Now 0:08:47.679 --> 0:08:50.000 the rape stations as a sort of you know, and okay, 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:54.280 I will say one other thing. There's some indication that 0:08:54.320 --> 0:08:57.319 the Navy had been using like sort of organized rape 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:01.040 stations like before n two. It this is another one 0:09:01.040 --> 0:09:05.120 of those things where the documentation is really hard because 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.520 you know, I mean, the army is not just going 0:09:08.559 --> 0:09:11.280 to tell you they are running like a sex slave station. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:14.199 Most people who do sex slave stuff don't like to 0:09:14.240 --> 0:09:16.800 talk about it all that much. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, 0:09:16.800 --> 0:09:20.280 even like even you know, like they're doing it all 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:23.160 the time, but like even even like like slave owners 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:26.320 in the South didn't really like to talk about like that, 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.959 the fact that that's what they were doing a lot 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:31.480 of the time. It's yeah, it's one of those leads 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:33.440 you to one of those are we the Batties kind 0:09:33.440 --> 0:09:37.000 of moments. Yeah. Yeah, it's something that even even the 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.679 people who do it know is wrong. Yeah. When I 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:42.680 talk about the fact that I'm forcing myself on these 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.760 children that I basically own, I feel like kind of 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:49.200 a monster. Yep. You know it's funny, like I have 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.800 actually read accounts of Japanese soldiers who dreamed the war 0:09:53.280 --> 0:09:55.000 We're like way to wear the baddies, and it never 0:09:55.040 --> 0:09:57.280 involved this. It was always about like like they would 0:09:57.280 --> 0:09:59.679 be sent into into the Philippines and you know, and 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:01.240 this all there are like they're given the American the 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.319 Stanate of American life. Well you'll begree to deliberators. And 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:05.920 they get there and you know, they're like hacking Filipino 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.160 like soldiers to death with bandits and they're like wait, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:15.240 but it's never this ship. It's yeah. Now, rape stations 0:10:15.720 --> 0:10:19.439 don't come into widespread use until after eight, which is 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.760 after the rape and Nunjing, And you know that's another 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:27.320 atrocity that like probably deserves an episode, and that because 0:10:27.400 --> 0:10:30.080 Kishi isn't directly involved in it, we don't really have 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.520 time to talk about it. The short version of it is. 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:35.800 So the Japanese army have been expecting to just like 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:39.960 blow their way through all of China in like three days, 0:10:40.559 --> 0:10:43.000 and instead they fight the Battle of Shanghai, which is 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:44.880 you know, it's called the nickname of it is down 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:47.360 ground in the Shanghai. They find this incredibly brutal battle, 0:10:47.520 --> 0:10:51.920 like they lose sixty troops and the army just goes berserk. 0:10:53.080 --> 0:10:55.400 And you know, China's capital in the war have been 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:58.760 at Nunjing and Johanna takes a city and they kill 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.480 in the number of dead civilians and prisoners of war 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:06.439 was it's generally held to me about two dred thousands. 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:10.040 And they also rape somewhere between twenty and eighty thousand people. 0:11:10.360 --> 0:11:15.480 Jesus Christ. Yeah, it's it's really bad. And like you say, 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:18.120 they raped, and then the number is the population of 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:23.040 a small city. Yeah. Again, you're in the A Leagues 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.760 in terms of the crimes against humanity, my friend. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:26.920 --> 0:11:29.040 And you know, and I say this, like, you know, 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:31.160 even with all the stuff we're about to talk about, 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.839 like these sort of just random rapes where like the 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:35.520 Japanese army goes into a village and rapes they have 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:37.199 one than leaves like that's still that's still gonna be 0:11:37.200 --> 0:11:39.640 happening throughout the entire war. And you know, I mean 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:42.800 like and and to some extent you can talk about 0:11:42.840 --> 0:11:44.679 the fact that like sexual violence is always a part 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:47.840 of war, but like the Japanese army is like rape 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:51.040 heavy by army standards, and then they're also doing the 0:11:51.080 --> 0:11:55.120 sex slavery stuff and you know, yeah, and and and something. 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.360 You know, and I think this is there's sort of 0:11:57.360 --> 0:11:59.480 like the there there's a thing that you read a 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.600 lot about how the military sex slavery system is. Actually 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.600 it's well, you know, it's it's about like the Japanese 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:08.320 army trying to get the rape under control after after Nunjing, 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:11.480 and like, well it doesn't work if that's his attention. 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.360 And the second thing is, you know, it's kind of true. 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:16.120 But you know when I say the Japanese army wanted 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.320 to get the rape under control, like what I mean 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.920 is that they want the rape to happen through the 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:24.280 army of bureaucracy in army facilities at you know, created 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:26.120 by the army, and at times the army is allowed 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.319 and they also like I want to regularly try to 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.440 regulate things in a way that the soldiers don't get STDs, 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:34.360 you know, but you know, and and and they succeed 0:12:34.360 --> 0:12:36.720 in that to some extent, like they they succeed in 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:40.640 bringing the rape directly into the military command chain. Yeah, 0:12:40.720 --> 0:12:43.000 and you know, before I move on, I want to 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:48.120 mention there's this enormous primarily Japanese just like intellectual sort 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.880 of network and right wing outrage machine that like this 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:52.600 is their thing, this in denying the rape and nunging 0:12:52.800 --> 0:12:55.719 like their thing, like the Japanese war crimes deniers. And 0:12:56.360 --> 0:12:58.240 then they make all these arguments how like no, no no, no, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:00.720 these weren't. These weren't sex slaves, these were pay aid prostitutes. 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:03.320 They're not you know, you know that the rape rooms 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.240 are just sort of brothels, and it's not it is 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.199 you know, there are people who do the whole is 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.320 about stopping right, not committing it. And it is like 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:13.439 very very important to understand that every single one of 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:16.360 these peoples are full of ships like these are these 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:21.040 are sort of like intellectually like these people are like 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.679 like they're they're they're incredibly similar to like the sort 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:27.720 of like European Western Holocaust and ires like everything they 0:13:27.760 --> 0:13:31.679 say is lies and the reason they're lying about it, 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:33.400 and you know, the reason they have to do this 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:38.199 is because just of of the absolute raw horror of 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:40.040 of what I'm about, Like the stuff that I'm about 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.640 to read, Um, this is this is a testimony. I'm 0:13:42.640 --> 0:13:44.640 going to read a testimony taken from the UN Human 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:48.800 Rights Commission who get a report on the sex slavery system, 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:51.319 and then ninety six this is this is the report 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:54.839 of a Korean woman. Well she's she's not a woman, 0:13:54.880 --> 0:14:02.960 she's a child when this happenste child, Yeah yeah, I 0:14:02.960 --> 0:14:06.600 mean I was just curious, like yeah, yeah, sorry, yeah, yeah, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.400 that it would mitigate any I would just you know, yeah, 0:14:09.640 --> 0:14:11.640 well yeah. So so the reason I didn't say it 0:14:11.679 --> 0:14:13.679 was so that this is this is at the beginning 0:14:13.760 --> 0:14:17.120 of it is one day in June, at age thirteen, 0:14:17.320 --> 0:14:19.320 I had to prepare my lunch for my parents, who 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.040 are working in the field, so I went to the 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:25.000 village well to fetch water. A Japanese garrison soldiers surprised 0:14:25.000 --> 0:14:26.840 me there and took me away so that my parents 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.520 never knew what happens to their daughter. I was taken 0:14:29.560 --> 0:14:31.240 to the police station in a truck, where I was 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.320 raped by several policemen. When I shouted, they put socks 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:36.560 in my mouth and continued to rape me. The head 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:38.800 of the police station hit me in my left eye 0:14:38.840 --> 0:14:41.400 because I was crying. That day, I lost eyesight in 0:14:41.440 --> 0:14:43.680 the left eye. After ten days or so, I was 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.480 taken to the Japanese Army garrison barracks in Hassan City. 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:50.920 They were around four hundred other Korean young Korean girls there, 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:53.320 and we had to serve over five thousand Japanese soldiers 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.880 of sex slaves every day, up to forty men per day. 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.200 Each time I protested, they hit me, stuffed rag in 0:15:00.240 --> 0:15:02.680 my mouth, one held a match stick to my private 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.320 parts until I obeyed him. My private parts were using 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.520 with blood. Jesus Christ. One Korean girl who was with 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:10.480 us demand to know why we had to serve so 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:13.280 many up to forty men per day. To punish her 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:17.800 for questioning, the Japanese company commanded Yamamoto ordered her beaten 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.560 with a sword while we were watching. They took off 0:15:20.560 --> 0:15:22.920 her clothes, tied her legs and hands, and rolled her 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:25.600 over a board with nails until the nails were covered 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.240 with blood and pieces of her flesh. In the end, 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:32.960 they cut off her head. Another Japanese another Yamamoto, told 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.400 us it was it's easier to kill you all, easier 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.840 than killing dogs. He also said, since those Korean girls 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.640 are crying because they have not eaten yet, boiled the 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:43.920 human flesh and make them eat it. One of the 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:46.920 Korean girls caught venereal disease from being raped so often, 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.760 and as a result, over fifty Japanese soldiers were infected. 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.360 In order to stop the disease from spreading and to 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.320 quote sterilize the Korean girls, they stuck a hot iron 0:15:56.440 --> 0:15:59.520 bar in her private parts. Once they took forty of 0:15:59.600 --> 0:16:02.480 us a truck far away with to a pool filled 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.800 with water and snakes. The soldiers beat several girls, shoved 0:16:05.800 --> 0:16:08.120 them into the water, heaped earth on the pool, and 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.160 buried them alive. I think over half the girls who 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:13.920 were at the barracks were killed twice. I tried to 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.080 run away, but both times we were caught. After a 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.920 few days, they tortured even more. We were tortured even more, 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:21.600 and I was hit on my head so many times 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.440 that all the scars still remain. They tattooed me on 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.160 the inside of my lip, my chest, my stomach, and 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:30.560 my body I fainted. When I woke up, I was 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:33.280 on a mountain side, presumably left for dead. Of the 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:37.040 two girls with me, only one had survived. A fifty 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:39.040 year old man you lived in the mountains found us, 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.840 gave us some clothes and something to eat. He helped 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:45.080 us travel back to Korea, where I returned scarred, buried, 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:48.400 with difficulties in speaking at the age of eighteen, after 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:50.200 five years of serving as a sex slave for the 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:56.720 Japanese Jesus God, yeah, it is. There are hundreds and 0:16:56.800 --> 0:17:00.480 hundreds of pages of testimony like this. Yeah, I'm you know, 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:05.560 it is my job to read about crimes against humanity, 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.960 and that's um, that's one of the roughest things I've 0:17:09.000 --> 0:17:13.680 ever heard. Yeah, like I the only thing I've ever read. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:17.000 I don't think that's it's the worst account of rape 0:17:17.000 --> 0:17:20.560 I've ever read. The only thing you've ever read? Definitely, Yeah, 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:22.840 that was like like even comparable to it was like 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.200 it was accounts of like what like Haitian slave owners 0:17:27.240 --> 0:17:32.399 would do so like their slaves and that stuff. Yeah, 0:17:32.560 --> 0:17:36.080 those guys are, like, I think, more creative. But I 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.600 heard some accounts from ZD women who were enslaved by 0:17:39.600 --> 0:17:43.879 isis that you know, it was less inventive. It was 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:46.159 more with them just a case of neglect, like not 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.119 letting these women clean themselves and like them just getting 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.680 these horrible infections as they continue to be um. But 0:17:53.520 --> 0:17:56.200 I don't think I've ever heard a case that's that 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.800 because it's not just like it's not just like v 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:05.800 lent and horrific. It's like creatively innovatively like a lot 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.800 of like it's it's far more than just you know, 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:14.560 obviously rape is very seldom just like about a sexual appetite, 0:18:14.560 --> 0:18:17.240 but it's it's so it's very clearly, so much more 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.879 than just these are soldiers who are horny. There's like 0:18:20.520 --> 0:18:24.480 there's a lot of very frightening things going on in that. Yeah, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:25.800 I mean I think part of it. You know, I 0:18:25.840 --> 0:18:28.600 was talking last episode about the theory of the declining 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.120 rate of pleasure, and you know, I think of something 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.240 like this with violence to where, you know, because the 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.639 other thing that that reminds me this terms of inventiveness 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:38.800 that I've read about was accounts of like what the 0:18:39.000 --> 0:18:42.120 the Salvadorian National Guard did during like during the Civil 0:18:42.160 --> 0:18:45.000 War in the eighties and and that stuff. It's like, 0:18:45.760 --> 0:18:48.439 you know, you get to a point when you're in 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.320 a war where like you've seen so much violence that 0:18:52.359 --> 0:18:54.240 you know, you become sensitized to it, and it becomes 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:57.800 this sort of constant race to like find something you 0:18:57.840 --> 0:19:00.320 can do that's moore violence that will like stop bothm 0:19:00.320 --> 0:19:04.600 opposing you. But but this isn't even like that. These 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:08.760 guys just like enjoy this, Yeah, because there's no that's 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.080 not there's not none of that that is like an 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:16.440 attempt to scare people out of resistance. That's just yeah, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.600 it's like serial killer ship. You know, it's the you know, 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:22.840 you've done so many other depraved things and now you're 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.600 getting creative with it out of almost boredom. Um. It 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:29.000 sounds like there's an element of that of just like, well, 0:19:29.040 --> 0:19:32.320 fuck it, we haven't been stopped yet. Let's try let's 0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.000 escalate this, let's let's let's go a little further, let's 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:37.159 try something harder. I don't know how much of that 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:41.119 is is boredom, how much of it is like disensitization, 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:43.960 but like, yeah, I mean, fuck you could you you 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:46.720 could have done a whole episode on on on that 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:51.399 specific Uh yeah, yeah, Like I think you know what 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:55.640 one of the things that that the like the sources 0:19:55.720 --> 0:20:00.399 talk about is how this it's you know, part it's 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:02.600 about power, but it's about like power on a sort 0:20:02.600 --> 0:20:05.359 of civilizational level that it's like, you know, like what 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.280 what what's happening here is that the Japanese soldiers are like, 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:12.159 you know, like we we can like like we can 0:20:12.240 --> 0:20:14.560 rape these women. And that's you know, this is this 0:20:14.640 --> 0:20:16.960 is our way of like raping the entire Chinese nation. 0:20:16.960 --> 0:20:18.720 It's this way of part of it is it's about 0:20:18.760 --> 0:20:21.960 it is kind of about like the sort of demonstration 0:20:22.080 --> 0:20:24.920 of of sort of violent superiority in that like a 0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.720 lot of what some of the goals are are about 0:20:28.800 --> 0:20:31.720 just sort of like like this weird like like a 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:33.800 massive's supposed to be this like emasculation of like the 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.240 Chinese resistance where it's like like you know, if you're 0:20:36.240 --> 0:20:37.639 a Chinese man, like he's like, hey, look what we 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:39.320 can do to your women, And it's just you know, 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:40.719 because this, this is like this is the way these 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:46.720 people think because you know, this is like yeah, this 0:20:46.800 --> 0:20:51.400 is it's um okay, like I I yeah, I don't 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.760 know what else. I mean. I think pretty much everyone 0:20:54.840 --> 0:20:58.439