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Speaker 1: Ah, Welcome back to Behind the Bastards, the only podcast

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Speaker 1: where Sophie was just telling me how much she thinks

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Speaker 1: it would be a good idea to reboot the TV

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Speaker 1: show Friends, but instead of being the cast of Friends,

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Speaker 1: all of the characters are famous medical malpractice committers from history,

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Speaker 1: and it's a show about them trying to get away

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Speaker 1: with maiming their patients. I think it's a bold idea

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Speaker 1: for a TV show, Sophie. I think we should pitch

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Speaker 1: it to Netflix right now. Thank you. That's that's That's

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Speaker 1: totally not something I would ever say, because Girl Girlfriends

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Speaker 1: was a better show than Friends. Um, but you know,

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Speaker 1: let's just accept that Sophie said that and move on

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Speaker 1: to Christopher Wong. Christopher, how are you doing? In part

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Speaker 1: two of this episode? Doing doing? Doing as well as

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Speaker 1: you can be? Preparing to just talk about Japanese war

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Speaker 1: crimes for an hour. I resisted the urge to open

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Speaker 1: this by saying, what's manning my cheery is because I

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Speaker 1: thought that might be distasteful. Yeah, anyway, let's dive back in. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: all right, so we're about to start talking about the

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Speaker 1: Japanese forced labor system, and I think the best way

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Speaker 1: to introduce this is by I'm going to read part

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Speaker 1: of the introduction to a book called Asian Labor and

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Speaker 1: the Wartime Japanese Empire, Unknown Histories, which is this Basically,

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Speaker 1: there's a conference on sort of Japanese war crimes, Japanese force, labor, tree,

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Speaker 1: tree the war, and they all that all the sort

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Speaker 1: of papers in that are like combined into this book,

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Speaker 1: and the introduction goes, Grief and despair find little place

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Speaker 1: in most historical accounts that are absent from most of

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Speaker 1: the source material historians use. The hundreds of thousands who

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Speaker 1: died were sons, husbands and fathers, or sometimes daughters, wives

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Speaker 1: and mothers, and had families awaiting their return. Deaths often

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Speaker 1: went unrecorded. Coolie is too sick to work, replaced in

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Speaker 1: death houses where they spent their final hours and accumulated filth,

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Speaker 1: but in vomit and the excrement produced by those who

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Speaker 1: had died before them. Without food or medicine, and certainly

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Speaker 1: without hope, their corpses were thrown into unbarked graves, or

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Speaker 1: burned or abandoned in forests, or tossing the rivers. We

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Speaker 1: welcomed behind the bastard people now it's it's really hard

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Speaker 1: to pin down the exact number of people who were

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Speaker 1: forced to work around the Japanese Empire. And this is

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Speaker 1: you know, this is a running theme of of this

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Speaker 1: end of WORLDAR two, they destroyed all of their records.

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Speaker 1: Like I mean this and this word like this is

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Speaker 1: not just records in Japan, like this word goes all

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Speaker 1: the way down the command chain, the destroying records just

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Speaker 1: everywhere they can find them. So most of what we

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Speaker 1: have our estimates, and you know, the estimates estimates are

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Speaker 1: not good. The Indonesian government estimates that four point one

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Speaker 1: million Indonesians were forced to work for Japan's in the war.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just just to get us

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Speaker 1: into the scale if they like. There there's there's an

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Speaker 1: individual railroad called the Taye Burma Railroad just alone that

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Speaker 1: uses a hundred and eighty thousand possibly there's many as

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Speaker 1: two hundred seventy thousand people, and you know the yeah,

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Speaker 1: the number in in China five seems to have been

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Speaker 1: We just don't know. And you know, this is also

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Speaker 1: There's seven hundred thousand New York restripted to forced labor.

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Speaker 1: And Kishi is going to import a lot of those

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Speaker 1: the starts with Kishi talking about you know, Kishi's like, okay, well,

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Speaker 1: then it's like anyone who opposes us, and by by

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Speaker 1: by nine one, the Japanese Army is doing just slave raids. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but between two the Japanese Army burns tens of thousands

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Speaker 1: and then also like the Japanese army, like they're really

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Speaker 1: also like they told them off boats. They like they

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Speaker 1: Japan is also running something called the comfort Women's system.

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Speaker 1: And you know, the comfort women's system is this the

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Speaker 1: academic and legal term for Japan's military sex slavery system.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a lawyer, which means I don't have to

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Speaker 1: And the first the first of yeah, it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: And I want to go into what happened here, because

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Speaker 1: Women testimonies for Imperial Japan's sex slaves. The soldiers immediately

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Speaker 1: continue to assault women in near by villages. Reportedly, over

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Speaker 1: but it's never this ship. It's yeah. Now, rape stations

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Speaker 1: don't come into widespread use until after eight, which is

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Speaker 1: So the Japanese army have been expecting to just like

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Speaker 1: And they also rape somewhere between twenty and eighty thousand people.

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Speaker 1: is this is this is what they're doing. They're they're

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00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: they're enslaving the people they conquer. Um. You know, we

429
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:56,120
Speaker 1: talked about how the victim in that last story is thirteen.

430
00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 1: The victims tend to range from about eleven twenty four,

431
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 1: and the most common is between thirteen and nineteen. Because

432
00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: you know, these people are also pedophiles. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

433
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,879
Speaker 1: I mean I think that I think I've told this

434
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: story a couple of times. But there was a moment

435
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: where I was hanging out in Budapest with a friend

436
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: of mine, kind of in the center of town. They've

437
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 1: got all these statues of these these magyar kings on

438
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:24,840
Speaker 1: horseback with swords and axes and stuff, these like warrior

439
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: legendary warrior kings. And my buddy turns to me and says,

440
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,520
Speaker 1: I wonder how many of them didn't funk little kids.

441
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,879
Speaker 1: And that's not a Hungarian thing. That's like literally any

442
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: any culture, Like when you go back to the Conquering

443
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: War leaders, it's like, yeah, I mean most of them

444
00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,160
Speaker 1: are fucking fourteen year olds, just like half of your

445
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: favorite rock stars in the eighties. It's not great. Yeah,

446
00:23:47,800 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 1: And I think this, yeah, it's yeah. This then this,

447
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 1: I think is this, This is just sort of pure

448
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: expression of power, and I think it's part of why

449
00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 1: and this is folding into a bigger thing. We don't

450
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 1: have to go out, but like why, I think it's

451
00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: so oxy that like our cultural discussions of pedophiles always

452
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 1: focus on what's much rarer, which is like adults like

453
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: going after molesting like little bitty kids four and five

454
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: year olds, when like the vast majority pedophilia is is

455
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 1: grown men who the most people would not say they're

456
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: a pedophile who go out of the way to fuck

457
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,240
Speaker 1: teenage girls. That's most of it. That was Epstein, you

458
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,320
Speaker 1: know anyway, sorry rant over No, Yeah, And I think

459
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:30,199
Speaker 1: like this, this, this is just sort of like what

460
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,679
Speaker 1: having absolute physical like the the ability to murder anyone

461
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 1: you want, Like this is what that does to eat

462
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: and you know, one of the other things that's very

463
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,879
Speaker 1: common here is that a lot of the women and children,

464
00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: and again I want to emphasize, like these are children

465
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 1: who resisted, you know, like these are these are fucking

466
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: fourteen and nineteen year olds, and you know they're either beaten, stabbed,

467
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 1: or just decapitated. And you know, they decapitate kids in

468
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 1: front of their families constantly. There's also, um, so almost

469
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: everyone involved in this, all the women, all the children,

470
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: become addicted to opium or some some other who yep

471
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:12,200
Speaker 1: yep um. And you know, there's also you know, we've

472
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: sort of we sort of alluded to this, like there's

473
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: everyone gets venereal diseases because it turns out that when

474
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: you're getting raped by forty men a day, you get

475
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 1: ferneurial diseases. And the army, the army injects like the

476
00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: sick with what almost certainly was the mercury based antibiotic salvarsan. Yeah,

477
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: don't ye, no, it's it's yeah, it's you know, and

478
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: they're doing this not because they care like at all

479
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: that these women are like disease, like you know that

480
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: they're get are getting sick, Like they're doing this because

481
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 1: they want to keep down this credit disease among the soldiers,

482
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: and you know, this is this is where you start

483
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: to get to just I mean the horror of the

484
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: shoes that doesn't end because you know, these people have

485
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 1: to deal with addiction, they have to deal with disease.

486
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: And again the people who survived this um yeah, yeah,

487
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 1: you know they have they have this like this unspeakable

488
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: try literally like people lose the ability to talk. Yeah,

489
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: it doesn't Yeah, and then you know, to make it worse,

490
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: the communities are taken from like a lot of the time,

491
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: they don't want them back because you know, like these

492
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: women are seen to have been defiled by the Japanese

493
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: and so you know, has been a bunch of times.

494
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: I mean there's there's versions, yeah, recently with Isis. Yeah,

495
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: it had a lot of times throughout history. Yeah, Like

496
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: I like I read a story about someone who's accounts

497
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: I almost included in here and then cut because it

498
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: was too long. But like, so she she comes back

499
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: to her village and like the the only person in

500
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: her entire village who will like talk to her is

501
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 1: the person she was supposed to be married to, and

502
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: like that guy is like a genuinely good guy, but

503
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: like he can't take it and he goes and joins

504
00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 1: the army and then like dies somewhere fighting the Japanese

505
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: Northern China, and so you know, and you have these

506
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: these and this this is also part of why that

507
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:08,080
Speaker 1: the records aren't aren't that like well known, because you know,

508
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,720
Speaker 1: the survivors, there's a huge cultural thing about like you know,

509
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: you like you know, we we we can. We've been

510
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 1: talking a lot in Last Fear about how hard it

511
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,879
Speaker 1: is for any rape survivors just like talk about in

512
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: the open and like this is so much harder, and

513
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 1: there's all these political constraints on it, and yeah, and

514
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,240
Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, like this stuff is not that

515
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: well known in the West, and it leads to situations

516
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: like so something that happened like a couple of years

517
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: ago Stephanie Kelton, who was bringing his economic advisor is

518
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: probably the most famous like modern monetary theory person like

519
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: went to Japan and advised a group of like of

520
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 1: liberal determocratic party lawmakers and some of those people were

521
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,879
Speaker 1: like in fascist groups that were like founded by n

522
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 1: Jane Denihlists. And you know, this stuff happens because that's

523
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: just the absolute horror that that happened here. Just people

524
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,400
Speaker 1: don't know about it. It's not like the Pacific. Isn't

525
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: the theater that people talk about much other than sort

526
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: of island hopping and like, yeah, that's the Japanese prisoners

527
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: of war. Yeah. Now, now Keis she's rolling this while

528
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: he's in Manchuqua is sort of interesting. So Mentuqua merely,

529
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,439
Speaker 1: and I'm using this as an enormous scare quote merely

530
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: has forty two sex slave stations, which is is kind

531
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: of low for a reason that size. So though again

532
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,159
Speaker 1: Kishi like she just like less has happened, She's like

533
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: fine with it. He's almost certainly is diverting economic resources

534
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 1: to it. But the reason it's so low compared to

535
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 1: a lot of other places is that she's Yakuza buddies

536
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: are doing like exactly the same ship in their brothels.

537
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: Like it's it's it's it's not it's not quite as bad,

538
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: but you know, they're also kidnapping a bunch of women

539
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: and like repeatedly raping them. But but you know, because

540
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: because because the yakuzo is like so heavily in control

541
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 1: of the sex trade, there's less of the sort of

542
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,880
Speaker 1: straight up military taking control of it, and you know,

543
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,200
Speaker 1: and the yaks and stuff, Kish like Kish's fucking like

544
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 1: these are all like all the people doing this are

545
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 1: like his personal friends, and like he's you know, Kishi's

546
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 1: in these brothels constantly while these in Manchuria, and you know,

547
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: she so he gets pulled out in Manchuria thirty nine

548
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: to become the Vice Minister of Commerce in order to

549
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:17,959
Speaker 1: plan what's called the new Economic Order. And you know,

550
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: this is I talked about in the first episode that

551
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,959
Speaker 1: that the sort of the third phase of Japanese imperialism

552
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 1: I called Tokyo imperialism three Tokyo drift. And this really,

553
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: I think is where that starts, or I mean when

554
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 1: I starts. But this is the sort of finality of it.

555
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: You know, like all of the sort of abuse you

556
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,560
Speaker 1: have like happening in the colonies, Like you know that

557
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 1: this this all the stuff that creates fascism in Mensu call,

558
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: all the stuff that like, you know, all the sort

559
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: of fascism in the Japanese army, all of that fascism

560
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: that's been in this sort of puppet state, you know,

561
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: it all comes home and you know and you get

562
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,760
Speaker 1: you get Kishi going there seven, and that that fuses

563
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: these sort of like Tokyo Edge highly educated fascist like

564
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 1: Tokyo bureaucrats with with this sort of military like fascism,

565
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: and those guys take control of Japan. And that's how

566
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: you get you know that, that that's how you get

567
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: sort of full scale fascists in Japan. And you know,

568
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 1: in neteen fourne when the stuff is being implemented, like

569
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: the political party is just like dissolved themselves, and you

570
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: know they're like, okay, well there's there's no point of

571
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: parties anymore. We're just gonna work with atial terranism. And

572
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: you get inside of Japan, like you get these I

573
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: don't know it'scard them. I guess it's like you know,

574
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: the the these sort of like mass fascist groups. So

575
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: the Concordy Association, I've been that group in Bencheria and

576
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: she she is sort of involved and helped setting up

577
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: the Imperial Rule Assists Association, which is you know, this

578
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: is like this is this is the New Orders version

579
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 1: of this, and you know it's it's supposed to be

580
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: this like sort of mass fashioned organization to build, but

581
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: it's the bureaucracy, and it's about sort of building sport

582
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: for the war. And meanwhile, she she is just sort

583
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 1: of like she she's kind of like dicking around with

584
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 1: his planning models. So, you know, his his big thing

585
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: in this period. He wants to he wants to turn

586
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: He basically wants to turn Japan into into a version

587
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: of Entaria, where it's the the entire economy, the whole

588
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: society is built towards just fueling what the army is doing.

589
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 1: And he's he's creating these things called control associations, which

590
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: are you know, it's on an industry level. Everyone in

591
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:23,120
Speaker 1: control association is like forced to work together, like all

592
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: the companies, all the unions, and he so he the

593
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: head of each control association is called the fearer. Okay,

594
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: that sounds good, not a word with any kind of

595
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: let's move on, let's move right on. Yeah, you know.

596
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 1: And the funny part about this is that I'm like,

597
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: I'm about nine sure for the way it's like they

598
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: are literally so they're they're speaking Japanese normally, and then

599
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: when they have to address the guy, they say the

600
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: word fewer in German, like they just they say fearer

601
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 1: in German it's like when we want to it's like

602
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: using the word shopping freud, you know, some German words.

603
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and you know, and this fearer is supposed

604
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 1: to you know, they're supposed to control like the entire

605
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: production process right there there there are the people who

606
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,320
Speaker 1: set the prices of the people who they set quantities

607
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: of that distribution, They set the organization production process. And

608
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: these these are the like the people like Kishi who

609
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: are the kind of like boring bureaucrats who do all

610
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: of the war machine stuff. And this like really pisss

611
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: off the bought you in, like the big business people

612
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: because they're like, oh wait, hold on, what do you

613
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 1: mean everything is run by the state now, And so

614
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: they accuse, uh, they accused Kishi of communism, and so

615
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: Kishi like like like half of his allies like I'll

616
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: get arrested because on accusations of being communists, and he's

617
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: like forced to resign, and so you know, they're there's

618
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: there there's like there's like an eight month period when

619
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: he's out of power, when you can be like, okay,

620
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: everything that happened in this eight month period in nineteen

621
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: forty was not Kishi's fault, but then you know, his

622
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: his old friend Deki Tojo becomes a prime minister in

623
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 1: actet one, and he brings Kishi back as the Minister

624
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: of Commerce and Industry just in time for Kishi to

625
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: sign the declaration of war with the US, right like

626
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: I guess technically speaking it was it was written before.

627
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess they did technically hand it to

628
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: the US for Pearl Harbor, like right before Kish sort

629
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: of goes back to work, like trying to turn Japan

630
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: it's just like a national defense state. And you know

631
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: he at this time around though, he makes he makes

632
00:33:20,800 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 1: two decisions. One is that he's going to work with

633
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,760
Speaker 1: the corporations because weirdly, these corporations are like the only

634
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: resistance left to him. And the second one is that

635
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: he's like, Okay, I don't have enough bureaucratic power, so

636
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,680
Speaker 1: I'm going to just like merge every single Japanese agency

637
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 1: like together to form a super agency called Ministry, Musicians, Munitions.

638
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: And at this point, she she she she is just

639
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: running the economy like he he's the guy, He's the

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Speaker 1: the guy running the entire economy making this work cool.

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Speaker 1: But you know, and I say this, like Kishi kish

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Speaker 1: I think it is very different than like you're sort

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Speaker 1: of classical ashes beercrat. Like the image of it is

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Speaker 1: someone like like aikman like Hannah rent Coins, but like

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Speaker 1: the banality of evil to do these guys who was like, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: they're kind of just doing their job. And like Kishi

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Speaker 1: Kishi is not that Kishi Kishi is running the war

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Speaker 1: machine because he like deeply, deeply sincerely believes that like

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Speaker 1: this is what's good for Japan and so you know.

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Speaker 1: But the other thing, he's also a bereacrat. So he's

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Speaker 1: also kind of like he spends the war just sort

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Speaker 1: of like he's like shuffling ministries around. He's like shuffling,

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Speaker 1: but he's doing all this sort of bereacratic stuff. And

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Speaker 1: as the war starts to end, she she looks at

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Speaker 1: the situation as as like the US just like absolutely

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Speaker 1: obliterates the Champanese Navy in Midway, and he goes, oh, fuck,

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Speaker 1: how can I get out of the war crimes tributal

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Speaker 1: And his plan is that he's going to bring down

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Speaker 1: like Prime Minister Chocho's cabinet by resigning and doing his

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Speaker 1: complicated stuff. Like you know, this works, like Kishi Kishi

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Speaker 1: is able to force Totor to resign and Kishi forms

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Speaker 1: this like sort of nominally this group like nominally opposed

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Speaker 1: goal of this is basically just like it's it's him

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Speaker 1: saying to MacArthur, like, please don't shoot me, and it works.

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Speaker 1: She she's taking prisoner by the occupation government and is

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Speaker 1: inevitably thrown in in the infamous Ugomo prison. In is

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Speaker 1: suspected class A war criminal. If the word justice like

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Speaker 1: meant literally anything in this world other than just being

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Speaker 1: a cruel joke to torment survivors, she would have hung

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Speaker 1: from a rope in nineteen and that would have been

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Speaker 1: the end of this two part episode. Unfortunately, we live

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Speaker 1: in hell and Kesh is going to be back in

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Speaker 1: part three with friends of the show, The Dullest Brothers,

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Speaker 1: in order to build the entire modern Japanese political system.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, there we go. There we swish in our

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Speaker 1: favorite sign care well, favorite Ron Hubbard. But they're pretty great.

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Speaker 1: Um fucking a. That's that's beautiful. Oh well, Chris, I

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Speaker 1: am excited to hear from our old friends, the Dullest

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Speaker 1: brother um, but we're going to have to wait until

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Speaker 1: Thursday for that because this is I'm not excited to

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Speaker 1: hear from our old friends. It's gonna be great to

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Speaker 1: non problematic guys who were never friends with any Nazis.

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Speaker 1: That's the thing everyone remembers about the Dulles brothers is

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Speaker 1: the degree to which they were not close friends with Nazis.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, follow us at cool Zone Media, at Bastard's

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Speaker 1: Pod on Twitter and Instagram and allegedly allegedly and Chris,

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Speaker 1: do you want to give them your Twitter handle? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm at me hr three on Twitter allegedly allegedly, I'm

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Speaker 1: all allegedly better known as the ice must be a

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Speaker 1: story guy. Yeah, that's that that that is your legal name.

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Speaker 1: And it happened. And in happy news, I just found

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Speaker 1: a whole Reddit threat of people talking about how they

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Speaker 1: appreciate how cute Anderson is. So yeah, oh yes, no,

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Speaker 1: Anderson's huge on Reddit. You're here, John Anderson. Good for you,

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Speaker 1: all right, motherho back Thursday, come back Thursday, and we

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Speaker 1: will we will wrap you in our warm, slightly gropy

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Speaker 1: embrace of podcast Bye,