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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. This week on

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Speaker 1: the show, we're continuing our new series exploring the habits, mindsets, methods,

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Speaker 1: and routines of the best whitetail hunters in the world,

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Speaker 1: and this week we're joined by Dan Infult.

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Speaker 1: All Right, welcome back to the Wired to Hunt podcast,

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Speaker 1: Big fan of that program, big fan of that organization,

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Speaker 1: and I'm a big fan of today's guest. You who

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Speaker 1: are likely familiar with Dan Infalt. He has been on

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Speaker 1: the show many times in the past. He is a

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Speaker 1: well known figure in the world of diehard deer hunters.

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Speaker 1: He is the founder of the Hunting Beast, Hunting Beast

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Speaker 1: Gear and just one of the really impactful teachers within

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Speaker 1: the deer hunting world in the last decade plus. He

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Speaker 1: comes from Wisconsin. He has a unique way of hunting

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Speaker 1: public land deer, pressured deer. He's really popularized a lot

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Speaker 1: of hunting strategies around focusing on buck betting areas. All

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Speaker 1: of this has been covered in detail in our past

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Speaker 1: episodes with Dan, but today we're gonna get a different

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Speaker 1: look at how he does things. We're gonna run him

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Speaker 1: through this mindsets of the whitetail Masters set of questions

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Speaker 1: that we've already talked with folks like Ben Rising, Andre Dequisto,

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Speaker 1: and John Eberhart about. We're gonna dig into the nitty

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Speaker 1: gritty of how he makes decisions, how he deals with

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Speaker 1: the diversity, how he looks at the importance of hard

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Speaker 1: work and mental toughness and decision making and all of

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Speaker 1: these kind of behind the scenes processes that lead to success.

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Speaker 1: So this isn't you know, what's the rub mein? What's

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Speaker 1: this great man? How do I shoot a deer? This

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Speaker 1: is how do I make good decisions? This is how

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Speaker 1: do I apply myself to a challenge. How do I

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Speaker 1: deal with things not going my way? There's a lot

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Speaker 1: to learn from successful deer hunters on these topics, and

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Speaker 1: Dan Infelt proved to be a perfect example of this.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed our chat, highly recommend you tune into

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Speaker 1: this one, and I think let's just get right to it.

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Speaker 1: I will give you one quick reminder. Our new White

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Speaker 1: the foundations of deer hunting video series that me and

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Speaker 1: Tony Peterson are doing. We've had an episode out about tracks,

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Speaker 1: We've had an episode out about what dear feet on.

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Speaker 1: There's upcoming episodes on rubs and deer poop and scrapes

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Speaker 1: and travel and weather, all sorts of stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: We try to break it down in a kind of

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Speaker 1: back and forth conversational matter, but also drillian with specific examples, illustrations, graphics,

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Speaker 1: trying to make this stuff as understandable as it possible can.

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Speaker 1: So go to the media to close YouTube channel, subscribe,

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Speaker 1: check out those videos. Thank you, and now, without further ado,

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Speaker 1: my chat with Dan in Fault all right here with

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Speaker 1: me back on the show is mister Dan in fault.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: Hey, Mark, are you been?

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Speaker 1: I'm good. I'm good. I'm really glad that we're able

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Speaker 1: to have this conversation. It's been a little while. It's

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Speaker 1: always surprising to me when I actually go back and

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Speaker 1: can fix that. Appreciate you making time for this problem.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as as we talked about just before

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Speaker 1: recording this, I'm hoping this one's going to be different

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Speaker 1: than our usual ones. We've had some really good chats

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Speaker 1: over the years. We've dove deep into, you know, all

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Speaker 1: aggressive mobile hunting. We did one of my what would

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Speaker 1: But this one's going to be different than all those

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Speaker 1: So that's my long winded wind up. But where I

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Speaker 3: That's a hard one because I really don't relate it

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Speaker 3: You know? I'm sure there is ways to have goals,

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Speaker 3: So it's not really I don't really have goals. I just,

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Speaker 3: But I feel like people have the same problems and

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Speaker 3: So the process for me was, I mean to really

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Speaker 1: So how have you been how have you been accounting

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so something you said triggered like PTSD for me

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Speaker 3: You said?

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Speaker 3: to go check this spot out if I have time,

435
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 3: maybe fifteen minutes. But every day I do something which

436
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: I think your average person would think that that's nuts.

437
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,040
Speaker 3: But that's the level that gets you to success. I'm having,

438
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 3: if you know. But during the season precisely. You know,

439
00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,719
Speaker 3: I'll run across a big buck or I'm hunting when

440
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,439
Speaker 3: I knew about but I'm not getting them in my spots,

441
00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,960
Speaker 3: and I'm you know, I'm moving through. I'm specifically thinking

442
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 3: about where I see his sign, where it could be

443
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 3: coming from. I'm sitting in a stand waiting for that

444
00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 3: deer to come out thinking already thinking about, well, if

445
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 3: he's not here, what's he doing? Where's he at? Where

446
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 3: didn't I look? One of the things that really goes

447
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 3: through my mind a lot is where has nobody else looked?

448
00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,199
Speaker 3: How are people thinking about this? Because and we've had

449
00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: a conversation before as they're in their overlook spots. But

450
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 3: that's constantly going through my mind is where are those spots?

451
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,919
Speaker 3: Where aren't people looking? I'm trying to scratch off how

452
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,400
Speaker 3: are they missing something? Because if that buck's alive out there,

453
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 3: there's definitely some spots people are missing. Because most of

454
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 3: what I'm hunting is heavy pressure, so and even when

455
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 3: I get into private, ironically it seems to align with

456
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:44,760
Speaker 3: the way I hunt in public, only exception being they're

457
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: not as well behaved. They kind of do wander around

458
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: a little bit more they don't get precisely locked into positions,

459
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 3: you know, with less pressure, but they still do kind

460
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,800
Speaker 3: of seek out those spots where you rarely go, maybe

461
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: even more so because I think on a farm or

462
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: a property that's got like ten guys on or they

463
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: really got a plan or to go through it the

464
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 3: same way, perk the same all the time, where it's

465
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: not different minds going in or from different directions, you know.

466
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean it's constantly trying to pick apart

467
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 3: word that thing is at. Where is he in daylight?

468
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 3: You know, where's that little window that he's moving in

469
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,840
Speaker 3: daylight on any given day.

470
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, continuing along this line of thinking, you know,

471
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to trying to untangle this maze of

472
00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 1: various decisions you're trying to make. Another one of the

473
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 1: decisions that I oftentimes find myself tortured by is deciding

474
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: where to hunt on a given day. And this is

475
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 1: like a cousin of what we just discussed, because you're

476
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,639
Speaker 1: part of what we're talking about here is exactly what

477
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:51,800
Speaker 1: you just describe trying to figure out. But you know,

478
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: the morning of the hunt or the afternoon of the hunt,

479
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to decide, well, which of these possible

480
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 1: tree options that I've set up, or which of these

481
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: zone or whatever might be. That's always something where I'm

482
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: debating back and forth. Can you talk me through what

483
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: your internal dialogue looks like when you are making that

484
00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: level of decision.

485
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: I kind of rate my spots for a given time period.

486
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 3: Let's say it's the early season, it's the beginning of

487
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 3: the season. I've got my spots rated for an area.

488
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 3: What does get a little confusing with me is I

489
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 3: do hunt several bucks at once sometimes, so I have

490
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: different properties I might hunt, but for one particular property,

491
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 3: I have that listed in order where I think I

492
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 3: should be at that time frame. And what will stop

493
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 3: me from going from to point to number one or

494
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 3: a or whatever you want to call it, is that

495
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 3: maybe I have to walk past number three or something.

496
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:50,760
Speaker 3: It's gonna be a balance of the best spot versus

497
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: the damage, and it's going to be a balance of

498
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: what the wind's doing. So I'll look at the wind,

499
00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 3: I'll look at my best spots for that wind, and

500
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 3: then I'll say, well, can I get to that spot

501
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: and still hunt this other spot, or am I going

502
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 3: to screw that spot and sometimes I'll go round about

503
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,440
Speaker 3: way to get there. Another thing I do is I

504
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 3: don't go directly to those spots that you know I'm

505
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 3: I'm actually in the mindset that a lot of times

506
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 3: those deer might just be off somewheres right and you

507
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: could go along. So what I'll do is I'll I'll

508
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 3: plan out a path to my tree stand that is

509
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 3: not a straight line like everybody else would take. So

510
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 3: I scout my way, and I try to plan for

511
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 3: an extra hour and take a path in and I

512
00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: look for hot sign because I find I find if

513
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 3: you find big tracks, you know, big rubs that are

514
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 3: fresh coming in and out of a transition where it's

515
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: probably betting that's way better than going to a spot

516
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 3: where I scout it and I think a dear is

517
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,719
Speaker 3: going to come from the finding that sign that day

518
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 3: is a better option. So it'll stop me from getting

519
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 3: to my spot. But then I'll just hunt that spot

520
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 3: again the next day if that spot's unsuccessful.

521
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, makes a lot of sense. Okay, I want to

522
00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: pivot a little bit here and shift a little bit

523
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: away from your decision making process and look at this

524
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 1: from a slightly different angle. I'm curious about how you

525
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 1: look at success in other people.

526
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 3: So by that, I mean.

527
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: If you could think of one other whitetail hunter that

528
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: you know who you view as like truly top notch,

529
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 1: someone who you look up to, or someone who you

530
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: look to is like, man, I can learn someone from this,

531
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: or learn something from this guy, or where this guy

532
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 1: really knows what he's doing. Could you speak to me

533
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: about someone like that and what it is that you

534
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: see in them that makes them so successful.

535
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 3: Usually what I see in success with people at hunting

536
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 3: is people who have a very positive attitude, who always

537
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 3: believe in themselves what they're gonna do. They seem to

538
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 3: just make their success. You know, I literally believe that

539
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 3: you could take a dart and throw it out a

540
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 3: map and every day sit where that dart lands and

541
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 3: you do better than the average people. You'd have success

542
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 3: if you went out and you pounded and really tried.

543
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 3: And the most successful people I know are people that

544
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 3: play it like a game of chess, where they're always

545
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 3: working on an animal, but they have that belief that

546
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 3: they're gonna kill that deer every day. And I try

547
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: to mimic that with myself. But the people I know

548
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 3: who have a really positive attitude that never question what

549
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: they're doing. And that's hard to that's hard to give

550
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 3: people advice to do, because you can't tell somebody, well,

551
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 3: you got to have positive attitude. You have to always

552
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: believe because you've got to earn that. You got to

553
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 3: gain that, and that's not something you can just buy

554
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 3: on a shelf, which is how people like to solve

555
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 3: their problems nowadays. But it's that that's that inner confidence.

556
00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:00,480
Speaker 3: I think you can make a lot of the stakes

557
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: and I see that. I see a lot of people

558
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 3: that are making mistakes that I made years ago, and

559
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 3: they don't see it in themselves, but they're still highly

560
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: successful because they're so motivated. It's the want thing. If

561
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 3: you've got a guy who's got skill, that don't mean

562
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: crap if he doesn't want it, because he'll never be

563
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: motivated to go then extra mile. He'll never be motivated

564
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,719
Speaker 3: to really, you know, pound those stands. He won't if

565
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,840
Speaker 3: he doesn't really, really deep down want it. He won't

566
00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: be making that plan like I'm doing. He won't be

567
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: sitting at work in a meeting listening to somebody talk

568
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 3: about a chart while in his head he's thinking about

569
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 3: where he's got to be that evening. You need that,

570
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: and you'll only get that to really, really deep down

571
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 3: wanting it. And those are the people who are successful,

572
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 3: even if they're lacking in skill or lacking in some places,

573
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: they will have success just because they want it so bad.

574
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: Let's drill into a little bit more of that kind

575
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: of intangible there which which resonates really strongly with me.

576
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: And one of the things that a lot of people

577
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: hear is we gotta work hard, Like hard work is

578
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: the ticket, right. But I think there's sometimes a disconnect

579
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 1: between what you know when you hear her, when you

580
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: hear hard work, versus what hard work actually looks like. So, Dan,

581
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: what what does hard work look like for you?

582
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 3: Like?

583
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Define hard work when you when you say you're working

584
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,800
Speaker 1: hard or the best deer hunters work hard, what does

585
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 1: that actually mean?

586
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: Well, let's just compare my work to other peoples. So

587
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:45,480
Speaker 3: for you or your listeners, this week, I probably walked

588
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 3: probably six or seven miles and a lot of it

589
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: was through knee deeper deeper water to get to isolated spots,

590
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: to look at places I haven't been before, to scout areas.

591
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't think anybody else is doing that at this

592
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 3: time of the year. I'm doing it twenty four to seven.

593
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm out there all the time. And it's not a

594
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: matter of I've got something to prove or anything. It's

595
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 3: what I want to do, you know. I'm I'm sitting

596
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 3: around thinking about I've never looked at that property. I've

597
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 3: got to get over there. It's part of my day's plan.

598
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: You know. It's like it's like if I don't hit

599
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: that this week or next week, it's not going to

600
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 3: get hit before season because I got to hit this

601
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 3: other property of the week after that. And I'm just

602
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: constantly looking at stuff, and you know, like this time

603
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 3: of the year. The other day, I spent walking a

604
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: mile back to an isolated like a grassy prairie type

605
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: thing that went up against a swamp and glassing a

606
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: mile stretch of that, you know, sitting in the middle

607
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: of it with optics watching for dear to come by.

608
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: I don't see any tracks of anybody else being out there.

609
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 3: I don't ever see anybody else glassing when I'm out

610
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: there parking there. You know, I think right now, everybody's

611
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 3: worried about fireworks, They're worried about picnics, they're worried about

612
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: their old lady. They're worried about going to the beach.

613
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: I'm worried about my next white tail. And that's what

614
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,920
Speaker 3: that work is about. It's not necessarily physically damaging, damaging work.

615
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's it's just you have to be involved,

616
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 3: you have to keep pushing it, and I can't tell you, gosh,

617
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 3: it's got to be you know, probably fifteen percent of

618
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,960
Speaker 3: my biggest bucks came from just one day, on a whim.

619
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 3: I got up and went out to field and glass

620
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 3: and found some giant buck in a place I wouldn't

621
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 3: have been hunting. And I might not have killed in

622
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 3: that year, but I was hunting that deer, even my

623
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 3: biggest one. I had a sleepless night in July and

624
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: I just got up went shining because I couldn't sleep

625
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,960
Speaker 3: and just found this buck in a place I would

626
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 3: have never hunted. And then I hunted him for two years,

627
00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 3: had two years of enjoyment hunting that deer, and ended

628
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: up killing him because of one night in July when

629
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440
Speaker 3: I couldn't sleep. And what if I did go out

630
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 3: that day, that probably still got a deer, but probably

631
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,520
Speaker 3: not that one. And that's the biggest deer I ever killed. Yeah,

632
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 3: you know, it just takes one day, one scout, and

633
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,320
Speaker 3: that's what you gotta have the mindset. You gotta have

634
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 3: that one scout. Yeah, it probably won't do much for you,

635
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 3: but it might be the day that locks it.

636
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: In for you. Man. That's such a great point, such

637
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: a great reminder too. The flip side, I feel like,

638
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,319
Speaker 1: or one of the other sides of this, or if

639
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:35,200
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the consistent and tangibles that

640
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 1: I see with the most successful hunters, one of them

641
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: is what you just describe there, that that obsession, that focus,

642
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: that hard work. But then there's also another side of

643
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 1: it on the mental side. And you alluded to this

644
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,919
Speaker 1: a little bit, but just just mental toughness, like being

645
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: able to push through whatever might be. Can you can

646
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: you talk to me about what that looks like for you.

647
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: Can you define mental toughness in the context of hunting

648
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: and how that factors into success.

649
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that has a huge part of it.

650
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 3: You know, I can't speak for other people. I can

651
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,360
Speaker 3: just speak for myself. I've noticed that I don't let

652
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 3: things bother me, like how people react to me, how

653
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 3: people treat me, or things that go on around me

654
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: or in my life. I'm not the kind of guy

655
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 3: who breaks down ballowing when one of my friends dies

656
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,919
Speaker 3: or something. It hurts, but you get over it. Where

657
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 3: I noticed that other people get real upset. Like my

658
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:34,439
Speaker 3: son is just an absolute killer. He really is into

659
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 3: the hunting. I really love what he's doing. But if

660
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 3: he wounds a deer or in one case, a bear,

661
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 3: he'll quit hunting for three years. It'll bother him so much.

662
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:51,320
Speaker 3: Where whether it's unfortunate or not, I can get over that.

663
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 3: It's not like I like it. It's not like I

664
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 3: want that to happen and do everything I can to

665
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 3: keep that from happening again. But I know I got

666
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,360
Speaker 3: to move on. There's nothing I can do to fix stat.

667
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: And I think if you're gonna dwell on things, if

668
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 3: you're gonna let things bother you too much, it's gonna

669
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 3: really affect your success. That's just how it is.

670
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there any way to get better at that?

671
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: Or is there been anything for you over the years

672
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,640
Speaker 1: that has helped you kind of work through that?

673
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: You know, I think the experience is what does it?

674
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 3: I think you just face your issues. You just you

675
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,800
Speaker 3: just got to keep at it, you know. So I

676
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: try to instill in my kid that bad things occasionally

677
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: happen and you just got to get up, wipe yourself off,

678
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 3: and keep going. But it's easy to say, it's hard

679
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 3: to really instill that into somebody, you know.

680
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Easier said than done for sure. Another another

681
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: part of this, there's the there's the dealing with adversity,

682
00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 1: like when things go wrong or you know, just aren't

683
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: going your way and trying to get over that. But

684
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: then there's also just the the grind effect. You know,

685
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: when you're thirty days in or ten days in or

686
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: sixty days in and nothing's going right, and you've hunted

687
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 1: all day straight for so many days and you were

688
00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: just worren down to an absolute bloody pulp, right and

689
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 1: you're freezing. Nothing's going right? How do you how do

690
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: you handle those moments? Like what's what's the internal dialogue

691
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: like for you on that day when it's November thirteenth

692
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: and you haven't seen a good deer for fourteen days

693
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, how do you how do

694
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: you push through that? How do you talk yourself through that?

695
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 3: You know? I remember if you go back to like

696
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: round late nineties, early two thousands or whatever. Why don't

697
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 3: you used to just bother me? If I went like

698
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: thirty days without having a shooter in front of me,

699
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: and I used to the grind used to start to

700
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 3: get to me, and I'd be like, I'd be so

701
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 3: burnt out that would go out and hunt. If something

702
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: did show up, I wouldn't even be ready because I'd

703
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 3: be so distraught over how the season's gone or something,

704
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 3: or you know, and then I'd let it mentally get

705
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: to me what other people would say or whatever. That's

706
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 3: all gone away. I don't know why, but I can

707
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 3: hunt one hundred days in a row and it does

708
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 3: not bother me one bit. And really, I think I've

709
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 3: come to peace with knowing that when you're hunting mature bucks,

710
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,200
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you're seeing small bucks. It doesn't

711
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: matter if you're seeing those. They're not even the same

712
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: animals like you saw a peasant or a rabbit. I'm

713
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 3: just worried about those mature bucks. You got to know

714
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 3: there's not a lot of them out there. If you're

715
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: hunting pressured public land, it's not like like hunting a

716
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 3: managed property or release, where you know you're going to

717
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 3: see some good bucks that you know on a daily basis.

718
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 3: You can go on public land, you can see nothing

719
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 3: for ten days. And then for some people they're like,

720
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: if I can't even see a dough, how am I

721
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 3: going to kill a mature buck? But I'm hunting in places,

722
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 3: and if you're doing it right, you probably are too.

723
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 3: You're probably not even going to see anything unless you

724
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 3: see a big book, So you're going to see a

725
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 3: lot fewer of the small stuff. If you're putting yourself,

726
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 3: you're locking yourself into a position where that deer would work.

727
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 3: You get further away from the food, further away from

728
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 3: the you know, the major activity places where people expect deer,

729
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 3: because that's where mature books go back to height because

730
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 3: they start to understand human pressure, and you just see

731
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 3: less deer. So you've got to be able to go

732
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 3: ten twenty days without seeing something. So I don't know

733
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,080
Speaker 3: what it is, but I got something in me where

734
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 3: I can go thirty days and not see much of

735
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: anything and go out on day thirty one and really

736
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,200
Speaker 3: believe I'm going to kill that deer. I think what

737
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 3: it is is, I think I really I've done it

738
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: enough times that I'm real confident that the idea I have,

739
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:00,160
Speaker 3: the plan I've come up with, the spot I'm going

740
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 3: to hunt is the spot, and then when it fails,

741
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: I'm able to talk myself back into the next spot

742
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 3: is the spot. And fully believe, even though I've went

743
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 3: thirty days without seeing a deer, that day thirty one

744
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 3: is the day. And I've kind of come to the

745
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 3: mindset that when I hunt down a property where I

746
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 3: put my pressure, those deers stay away from my stinky

747
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 3: ass and they go over to other spots. And it's

748
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 3: like I wear out that property and you kind of

749
00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 3: know that he's going to be, you know, over on

750
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 3: this other end, or you know, if he's not over here,

751
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 3: I kind of follow the sign. And if you're following

752
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 3: the sign, I mean, I'm not hunting a property that

753
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 3: doesn't have rubs and stuff. If it doesn't have sign

754
00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,880
Speaker 3: of big bucks, he's not there. I'm moving on all

755
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 3: deer leaves sign. You know, I can't tell you how

756
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: many times people will ask me, well, the property that

757
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 3: I hunt, I can't find any big rubs, you know,

758
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: should I go deeper? If you're not finding big rubs,

759
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: he's not there. All deer rub you know, so maybe

760
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: he comes in later, maybe he doesn't, but you got

761
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 3: to be able to move around, you knowing a lot

762
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 3: of these people just don't get that kind of philosophy.

763
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: And it's funny. Some of what you're describing here is

764
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: like there's like a chicken and an egg kind of thing,

765
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: because you have this tremendous confidence in what you're doing,

766
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: and you can convince yourself that you are doing the

767
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: absolute right thing, and that is like a superpower that

768
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: you have because it gives you the focus and the

769
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: belief to every day go out there and do it right.

770
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: But the only way to get that experience, and the

771
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 1: only way to get that confidence is to go out

772
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: and get the experience which you just described, which requires

773
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: you to do the hard work that you described earlier,

774
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: and all of that builds. It's like a snowball effect exactly.

775
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 1: And if you continue putting that relentless hard work and

776
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:56,440
Speaker 1: keep on going out and going out and doing that,

777
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: eventually it gives you the confidence to then go and

778
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: do that more often to feel good about it right

779
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,240
Speaker 1: right exactly.

780
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you wouldn't even be able to get up

781
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: and go scouting during the summer, like I do if

782
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 3: you didn't believe it was going to help you in

783
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: the fall, you have to have that just mental belief

784
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 3: even even in miss the failure.

785
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 1: So do you would you consider yourself an optimist?

786
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just uh, I get I guess

787
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:32,919
Speaker 3: I always have my glass full. You know, it's always full,

788
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: even if it's you know, got this much in it,

789
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,399
Speaker 3: or I can see the screen there, you know it's

790
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 3: it's half full, even when it's a empty. You know,

791
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: I always believe in It hasn't always been that way,

792
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 3: but it's it's gotten that way through success. I think

793
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: the success, you know, build your your ego up just

794
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 3: enough to believe in yourself. Where you you work harder,

795
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: you believe in yourself. You think you can do it.

796
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 3: You think you now do everybody, even when you're they're

797
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 3: doing better than you, you still believe that you can

798
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 3: do it.

799
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 1: You know.

800
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 3: It's yeah.

801
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: So I love where this is going, and I'm curious

802
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: about some of these other little things, like I think,

803
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,320
Speaker 1: I think this is very eye opening. The way you

804
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: look at self belief, the way you look at your

805
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: hard work, the way you look at kind of your

806
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: your your confidence level, and how that informs what you do.

807
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,959
Speaker 1: I'm curious if this manifests itself in your daily life

808
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: in any kind of way. Are there any important habits

809
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 1: in your daily life or in your hunting season life

810
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: that you always have to do?

811
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:47,360
Speaker 3: Like?

812
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,680
Speaker 1: Is there a thing like every morning you do this thing,

813
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: or every time before you go out hunting you do

814
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:53,439
Speaker 1: this thing, or every night before you go to sleep

815
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,800
Speaker 1: you do this thing. Is there anything like that that

816
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: that comes to mind that you find important for you

817
00:43:59,080 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: as a deer hunter.

818
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 3: No, the only thing I do is hunt every day

819
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 3: before I go hunting, I go hunting.

820
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: I guess that's a good daugh fair enough. So then

821
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 1: what about this? What about looking at it this way?

822
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 1: Is there anything unique about how you hunt, or how

823
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: you approach hunting, or how you prepare to hunt. Is

824
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: there anything unique along those lines that your friends or

825
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: other folks thinks crazy or absurd or stupid, that you

826
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: instead think is really important and helps you. Ah?

827
00:44:43,320 --> 00:44:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't put my finger on anything. I know

828
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:51,080
Speaker 3: that most of the people that I would consider friends

829
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,920
Speaker 3: that I hunt with, don't thinks, don't take things that

830
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 3: extreme that I do. They looked at it as a

831
00:44:56,400 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 3: little bit crazy. Hunting the places I do and the

832
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 3: ways I do, or doing it on a work night

833
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,200
Speaker 3: or a night where if you're actually successful, you're gonna

834
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:10,959
Speaker 3: really have a problem. But I can't put my finger

835
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 3: on any one thing.

836
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: Now, that's all right? How about this one? Is there

837
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: one commonly held belief within the deer hunting world that

838
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: everybody else believes is true but you think is complete bullshit, that.

839
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:32,520
Speaker 3: You can fool of deer's nose. I don't think there's

840
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 3: any way you can possibly do anything at all that

841
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 3: would would help you from a deer's move nose other

842
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 3: than to not walk where he walks, and to keep

843
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 3: the wind from hitting them, or the thermals or the

844
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: air currents, and a lot of my setups and everything

845
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 3: goes into looking at exactly how the wind's going to

846
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 3: flow through those trees. I think most of the people

847
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:59,399
Speaker 3: that tell me you can't hunt with you can't hunt

848
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: the wind because of swirling winds don't understand how to

849
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: set up. Because maybe you can set up where you

850
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:06,400
Speaker 3: want to set up, But if you look at the

851
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 3: forest and you look at how the wind's going to

852
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 3: go based on the thermals, where the water is, where

853
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 3: the openings are where the wind's going to swirl. And

854
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 3: from years and years of checking that with milkweed and

855
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 3: looking at that and hunting it, I've kind of come

856
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 3: to the conclusion I can kind of look at that

857
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 3: stuff and figure out my best scenario. And that doesn't

858
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 3: mean I don't get winded, but it gives me a

859
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 3: better advantage. But I do believe that just about everybody

860
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:35,920
Speaker 3: out there, probably ninety ninety five percent, believe there's something

861
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 3: they can do, whether it's rubber boots, whether it's taking

862
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 3: a shower. I think everybody. You know, some people believe

863
00:46:41,600 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 3: fully that if they were scent lock, it'll just completely

864
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: eliminate their scent whatever. I don't believe any of that.

865
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:52,320
Speaker 3: I believe you cannot fool a deer's nose, and I

866
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 3: think everybody else thinks you can.

867
00:46:58,520 --> 00:47:00,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's hard to argue with the fact that their

868
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: nose makes us look like fools nine percent of the time,

869
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 1: that is for sure. So this is interesting. You just

870
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: you just point out one way in which you are

871
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: pretty different from many other white tail experts, we'll say,

872
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:22,520
Speaker 1: quote unquote experts. What would be two or three ways

873
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 1: that you would say that you and every other very

874
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:32,359
Speaker 1: successful deer hunter is the same. So can you think

875
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 1: of two or three things that you and all of

876
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 1: the other best deer hunters.

877
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: You know, I think all across the board, it comes

878
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: back to that want. They really got to want it.

879
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 3: I think it doesn't matter. You know, there's always a

880
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: big argument between the like guys who have a big

881
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 3: property versus the public land guys. But everybody puts work

882
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 3: into it. Everybody puts effort into it. Everybody puts money

883
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:01,200
Speaker 3: into it. I put I put half of my paycheck,

884
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 3: half of my money, if not more, into hunting, just

885
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:06,960
Speaker 3: like the guy who has land. It's just I aim

886
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 3: my money at different things. Right, We're all the same.

887
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 3: But the guys who are successful, whether it's private land,

888
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 3: where it's public land, no matter what they do, all

889
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 3: spend there all day long daydreaming about deer. And they

890
00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time scouting. They spend a lot

891
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,200
Speaker 3: of time working on the land, whether they're just working

892
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,040
Speaker 3: on food plots and having the exact right position that

893
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:31,560
Speaker 3: they'll have a stand in the right position, or they're

894
00:48:31,560 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 3: working on how's this deer going to move so I

895
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: have the stand in position, or how is it going

896
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 3: to go through this land versus pressure. Everybody is thinking

897
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 3: about the deer, how they're going to move, how they're

898
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 3: going to get them. And if they're not, they're not

899
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 3: having success. So I'd say everybody that is having success

900
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,919
Speaker 3: is probably a thinker. They're probably a guy who really

901
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: contemplates what they have to do. They're probably not followers,

902
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: you know. You see that, and I'm sure you see this, Mark,

903
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 3: ninety percent of the people out there on hunting boards

904
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 3: or watching this this what we're putting on right here,

905
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:11,840
Speaker 3: or following us or followers, they say, I like what

906
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 3: Mark Kenyon does, or I like what Dan Infaul does.

907
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,320
Speaker 3: I want to be just like him. I'm going to

908
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,200
Speaker 3: do everything the way he does, which very seldom works.

909
00:49:21,400 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: You've got to build your own, you know, you know style,

910
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: You've got to learn what you got to learn and

911
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 3: believe in yourself. You take tidbits from me, you take

912
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 3: tidbits from Mark. What can help you? And you say, yeah,

913
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 3: but that Dan's crazy about scent control, He's nuts. So

914
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 3: I'll take Mark's approach and scent control, and maybe Dan's

915
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 3: got something with his betting stuff. You know. But everybody

916
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: can help you, you know. But you see that the

917
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 3: guys who have the greatest success are not followers. They

918
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 3: usually have a unique style of their own. You know,

919
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:56,719
Speaker 3: they're usually something unique about them, you know, whether it's

920
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 3: you know, look at Eberhart up in Michigan. Guys pretty

921
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 3: weird about some things, but you can't argue his success

922
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:10,120
Speaker 3: because you know he's doing something different than everybody else

923
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 3: in the public land in Michigan. You know, every one

924
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: of these guys that's highly successful, way above the norm,

925
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 3: is always a very unique individual who thinks about things

926
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,200
Speaker 3: in a different manner.

927
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, very very very true. You mentioned how

928
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: everyone and I love you made a great point that

929
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:38,960
Speaker 1: everyone is is spending an inordinate amount of their energy

930
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: and resources on this thing. The amount of resources they

931
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:45,240
Speaker 1: have or where they aim those resources might be different,

932
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: but it's still a huge chunk of their mental energy

933
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: or financial energy or whatever it is. And that brought

934
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 1: to mind one thing that's a little bit of a

935
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: side path here. But when you think about how you

936
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 1: are are spending your money on deer hunting, I'm curious

937
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,800
Speaker 1: a little bit because you've got an interesting kind of viewpoint.

938
00:51:06,840 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 1: Given the fact you have worked on gear, have a

939
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: gear company. I know your tinker. So I have two

940
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 1: questions related to this. First off, what is the single

941
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: purchase that you can think of of one one hundred

942
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 1: dollars or less that's most positively impacted your hunting enjoyment.

943
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: So one purchase of less than one hundred bucks that

944
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: made the most positive difference for you that you can remember.

945
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 3: I would probably say that that would be like a

946
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 3: Spartan Forge app or an Onyx app. I think you

947
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 3: can't argue with the success and why that's given people.

948
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 3: I kind of it's kind of like a the Hated

949
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 3: kind of relationship because at the inset of those apps,

950
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 3: public land hunting just changed dramatically. All the little spots

951
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 3: that looked like they're private but they're public that I

952
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 3: knew about from studying paper maps and stuff all changed.

953
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 3: People got all over the place. But at the same

954
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 3: time that it hurt me, it also helped me. It

955
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: helped me, uh not miss my mark to a tree,

956
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,000
Speaker 3: you know by twenty yards where you just blew the

957
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,080
Speaker 3: bedding were out. You know, it helped me make a

958
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 3: path to those spots. I mean those apps. You know,

959
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 3: everybody argues about crossbows and all that crap, and these

960
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 3: big debates. ONYX has killed more derd than anything else

961
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,120
Speaker 3: in this world. It's put people back in these marks,

962
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 3: back in these hills. It's a deadly tool.

963
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, very good point. Okay, so then what about this?

964
00:52:56,600 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: If you had to give up all of the hunting

965
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: gear that you currently use, all of your favorite your

966
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: tree stands, your bow, any piece of equipment that you

967
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: really truly value, your good optics, anything that's high end,

968
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,880
Speaker 1: that is, you know, the thing you trust and believe in,

969
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 1: and then you have spent some extra money. If you

970
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: had to give it all up except for one piece

971
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: of top tier equipment, so you could keep one thing

972
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 1: that was like best of the best, all the other

973
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: stuff you had to return and just have like the

974
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: very entry level stuff for everything else. What's the one

975
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: thing you would want the top tier thing to be.

976
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 3: That's a bad question for me, Mark. You know I'm

977
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 3: a minimalist, right, so I'd probably say my pants. I

978
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 3: want to keep my pants. Yes, but really, I go

979
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 3: out hunting, I have a bowl, a release, and because

980
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 3: I film a camera, arm and a camera, a tree

981
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 3: stand and sticks, and I really don't take anything else.

982
00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: I don't take a pack, I don't you know, sometimes

983
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:01,279
Speaker 3: I'll have a bottle of water around if I'm gonna

984
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,480
Speaker 3: be out for a long time. But I don't even

985
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,440
Speaker 3: like that because it's something that could make noise and

986
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,279
Speaker 3: it's kind of not natural to.

987
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: You know.

988
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:13,759
Speaker 3: I try to just be my bow, my stand, and

989
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 3: that's it. I would say a lot of other people

990
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 3: are more versatible hunting on the ground. I find that

991
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 3: hunting on the ground, I get busted a lot more.

992
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 3: I mean I get seen a lot, or the deer

993
00:54:26,400 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 3: get too close to me before I notice them. Trees

994
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: help me a lot. I think they help everybody a lot.

995
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 3: But a lot of other people are would give away

996
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:36,359
Speaker 3: to stand real lazy. I wouldn't want to give away

997
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 3: to stand. I will hunt the ground when I have to,

998
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 3: and a lot of times I do have to because

999
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 3: these deer tend, these mature deer tend to gravitate to

1000
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,399
Speaker 3: areas that don't have huntable trees. So I could hunt

1001
00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,920
Speaker 3: on the ground, but I really rather not give up

1002
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:53,000
Speaker 3: my stand. But that's really all I have is a stand.

1003
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 3: I don't take anything with me. I have a pocket knife.

1004
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: I guess you say, my milk weed. I love having

1005
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 3: milk weed and being able to see the air currents

1006
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 3: when the wind stops, because it's always different than when

1007
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,600
Speaker 3: it's blowing. When you feel it dead, com is always

1008
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,279
Speaker 3: a different current than windards of breeze. So milk weed

1009
00:55:12,400 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 3: is something I would not want to give up. Where

1010
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 3: I think people think they can use powder and the

1011
00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:21,279
Speaker 3: prices do nothing when there's no wind. Milk weed does

1012
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 3: it follows the air current?

1013
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, And that's one of those things that just

1014
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: about any one of us can get our hands on too.

1015
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: It's a great tool. So one last question for you, Dan.

1016
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:38,720
Speaker 3: If we were.

1017
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: On the highway heading to Best Pro Shops or Cabellas

1018
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,839
Speaker 1: or something like that, and there was a big old

1019
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,359
Speaker 1: billboard right there along the side the highway, and I said, Dan,

1020
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you the opportunity to put anything

1021
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: you want on that billboard. You can leave the deer

1022
00:55:55,400 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 1: hunters of America one final message. This can be a

1023
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: piece of advice to help their success or their enjoyment,

1024
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:04,640
Speaker 1: or some kind of reminder that you want to make

1025
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,120
Speaker 1: sure every deer hunter gets on this billboard. What would

1026
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 1: you put on there?

1027
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 3: Ah, jeez, that's a hard question. Put me on a

1028
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,399
Speaker 3: spot with that one huh.

1029
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: To simplify it could be just the single most important

1030
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: piece of advice if you want.

1031
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,920
Speaker 3: You know, I guess I would struggle with trying to

1032
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,520
Speaker 3: find something that would encourage more people to hunt. I

1033
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: can't stand it when I see people promoting less hunting

1034
00:56:37,080 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 3: and saying like, don't do these podcasts, don't do YouTube

1035
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 3: shows and stuff. You're attracting people to the public land. Yeah,

1036
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:45,360
Speaker 3: attracting people to public land. That's what I want to do.

1037
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 3: I want more people to hunt. So if I could

1038
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:49,959
Speaker 3: do something where it would encourage more people to hunt,

1039
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: that's what I want to do. My goal has always

1040
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 3: been to, you know, make people better hunters, well, making

1041
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: hunters better people, and that's always been my goal. I

1042
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:09,120
Speaker 3: don't know how I put that in print, but I'm

1043
00:57:09,120 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 3: sure if I spent the night trying to figure it out,

1044
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,640
Speaker 3: i'd plan something I could put on a billboard.

1045
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: I love that. I like that that idea and that

1046
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: that's such a great mission. There's people are really missing out,

1047
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 1: the folks that don't get to go out there in

1048
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: the woods like we do and experience these things and

1049
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,640
Speaker 1: see these things. It's it's a tragedy that more people

1050
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: don't get to live that, you know, you know.

1051
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,200
Speaker 3: I think when you look at some of the people

1052
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 3: that don't hunt and their actions and the way they

1053
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 3: talk and stuff, and you look at the people that

1054
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: do hunt, I think this whole world would be a

1055
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 3: better place if everybody got the experience hunt.

1056
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: I agree. So Dan, you have you have completed the

1057
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: gauntlet of the of the what we're calling the mindsets

1058
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,480
Speaker 1: of the white tail Masters. I thoroughly enjoyed this. I

1059
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: thought you are your PERSPECTI it was really useful and interesting.

1060
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 1: So thank you for that. And can you give folks

1061
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: an update on anything new with with media content, you're making, products, gear,

1062
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: anything that folks you know about.

1063
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 3: I'm going to be at the Mobiles show in Michigan,

1064
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: what is at the end of July here last weekend

1065
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: with with Beast Gear selling our tree stands and sticks

1066
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,320
Speaker 3: and I'll have shirts and stuff and you come meet me. Otherwise,

1067
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,240
Speaker 3: if you guys haven't checked out, check out my YouTube show.

1068
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 3: I do a lot of I filmed the scouting, the

1069
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:45,920
Speaker 3: week to week events. It's pretty educational. It's not as

1070
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 3: entertaining as some other shows because I get more into

1071
00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 3: the nuts and bolts. But if you're into that kind

1072
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 3: of thing, come check that out.

1073
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll vouch for you, Dan. I as I've told

1074
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:02,400
Speaker 1: you many times over the years, and as many people know,

1075
00:59:02,560 --> 00:59:05,280
Speaker 1: this is not some surprise the folks, but you're a

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Speaker 1: hell of an educator. You've helped a lot of people,

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Speaker 1: and I for one, am very appreciative of it. So

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Speaker 1: thanks for the chat today, Thanks for everything you've done

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Speaker 1: over the years, and I'm excited to see how this

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Speaker 1: upcoming season goes for you.

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Speaker 3: I appreciate you having me on Mark.

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Speaker 1: All right, and that is a wrap.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being here.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you listening. Stay tuned. Next week We've got another

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Speaker 1: Mindsets of the White Tail Masters episode and this one's

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Speaker 1: a special one with a special guest of sorts. I

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Speaker 1: supposed to recall him. So hope to see you then.

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Speaker 1: Until next time, Stay wired Ton