WEBVTT - Crabs Eat Everything Around Me, Part 2

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, the production of

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<v Speaker 1>My Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is Robert Lamb and my name is Joe McCormick.

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<v Speaker 1>And we're back with part two of the Feast of Crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't heard part one, you should probably go

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<v Speaker 1>back and listen to that one first. But I'm ready

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<v Speaker 1>to jump right in. Yeah, we're gonna We're gonna continue

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<v Speaker 1>with our exploration of various uh accounts of crabs eating

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<v Speaker 1>curious things, eating things in curious ways, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 1>This is kind of our big kome of tradition during

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<v Speaker 1>the holidays towards the end of the year to dive

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<v Speaker 1>into a crab related topic and see what it has

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<v Speaker 1>for us. Now, we haven't talked a lot about mythology

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<v Speaker 1>and folklore in in our crab journey thus far. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, part of it is when you look around,

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<v Speaker 1>crabs often don't have central roles in um in myth cycles.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean there, I think there's some exceptions to the rule,

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<v Speaker 1>but a lot of times it's stuff like like Hercules

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<v Speaker 1>is fighting the hydra and then a crab shows up

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<v Speaker 1>and tries to to to nip at his heels and

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<v Speaker 1>he dispatches it and goes back to fighting the hydra

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<v Speaker 1>that sort of thing. Oh yeah, that sounds it was.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's the crab cancer, right that we can the

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<v Speaker 1>constellation name from, or that has the same name as

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<v Speaker 1>the constellation. I mean, he still gets a constellation out

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<v Speaker 1>of the whole affair. But it's you know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>it can feel a little bit disappointing if you're really

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<v Speaker 1>into crab anatomy and into crab monster movies. Um, it

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<v Speaker 1>can be a little a little bit of a letdown, like,

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<v Speaker 1>come on, you can't Hercules have more of a battle.

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<v Speaker 1>Can't he just battle the crab? That sounds fun to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, I just had to look this up because

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't sure if I was remembering it right. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he he gets the constellation basically because Hara hates Heracles

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<v Speaker 1>and the crab like bites him on the foot, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Heracles kills the crab, and Hera is like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>good job biting him on the foot. I'll put you

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<v Speaker 1>in the sky forever. The Greek gods. Well, I do

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<v Speaker 1>have a fun one that I found though, that I

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<v Speaker 1>want to share with everybody. This one I discovered in

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<v Speaker 1>the book Japanese Mythology A to Z by Jeremy Roberts.

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<v Speaker 1>I looked around to try and find in some other

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<v Speaker 1>places as well and didn't off hand. Um, I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>it can be found other places, but this is the

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<v Speaker 1>only place I was able to find find it. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to retell it for you here, but I'll stress

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<v Speaker 1>that Jeremy roberts telling of it is is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be more dramatic than mine, So definitely go to that

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<v Speaker 1>source if you want to see it for yourself. So

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<v Speaker 1>that is how it goes down. A young girl, uh

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<v Speaker 1>buys a crab from a fisherman in order to save

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<v Speaker 1>the crabs life. She's doing you know, that basic thing

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<v Speaker 1>that a lot of little kids will do, where they suddenly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they'll feel sorry for a captive animal or

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<v Speaker 1>a food animal and they want to to save it.

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<v Speaker 1>And so that's what this girl does. She buys the crab,

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<v Speaker 1>lets it go. Meanwhile, her father is in a similar scenario.

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<v Speaker 1>He's trying to save a frog from a snake. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure why, but he's trying to do this. He's like, no, snake,

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<v Speaker 1>you do not get to eat this frog. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna let you do it, and the snake finally is like, okay, look,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll spare the frog's life, but you have to let

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<v Speaker 1>me marry your daughter, and Dad agrees. So we we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know anything about this frog. It's not special, like

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't his brother who got turned into a frog

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<v Speaker 1>or something. There has to be more to this story. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I've been reading a lot about various yokai recently,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, with with those Chinese ghost stories, there's

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<v Speaker 1>often some hidden meaning. You know, maybe it comes down

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<v Speaker 1>to a turn of phrase, you know, something that's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be obvious in a pure English translation, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's something metaphorical, etcetera. So I don't know exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>is going on here, but I think it can't just

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<v Speaker 1>be the fact that Dad just loves frogs and loves

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<v Speaker 1>frogs more than he loves his daughter. Um. But at

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<v Speaker 1>any rate, this is the scenario we find ourselves in. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So what happens? Well, that night, the snake arrives, but

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<v Speaker 1>arrives in human form and tries to claim his bride.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Dad at this point has not even warned

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter about what he agreed to. Uh, so he's

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<v Speaker 1>he's able to buy a little time. He's like, look, look,

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<v Speaker 1>just come back in a few days, and the snake agrees.

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<v Speaker 1>So Dad has a little opportunity here to talk with

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter. He tells her what has happened, and she

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<v Speaker 1>is rightfully horrified. She hides away in her room and

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<v Speaker 1>she prays to the gods for delivery from this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this snaky fate, and the gods do not answer her

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<v Speaker 1>prayers because they're too busy putting crabs in the sky. Perhaps, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't say that the gods are are listening to her.

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<v Speaker 1>And meanwhile, you know the the the two days pass

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<v Speaker 1>and here comes the snake again, only this time the

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<v Speaker 1>snake has come in its serpentine for warm. It's an

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<v Speaker 1>animal form. It enters her room, and just when it

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<v Speaker 1>seems that she is completely abandoned to this fate, a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand crabs burst through the door and consume the snake,

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, completely deflesh it. A thousand crabs. And

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<v Speaker 1>so I guess the idea is like this is that

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<v Speaker 1>that she spared the crab earlier, and so she had

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<v Speaker 1>she had a friend in the crabs, And or you

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<v Speaker 1>could also look at it like the gods did actually

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<v Speaker 1>reward her. They were listening and they allowed all these

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<v Speaker 1>crab saviors to come and yeah and yeah, save her

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<v Speaker 1>from this snake and she marries the swarm of crabs.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe, but but I love this because

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<v Speaker 1>it's also like, oh man, this is something you could have,

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<v Speaker 1>like a swarm of crabs tearing tearing an enemy apart

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<v Speaker 1>like that that should be in a film somewhere somehow,

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<v Speaker 1>this whole thing could be adapted into some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>like a weird horror tale. Yeah, crabs are not usually

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<v Speaker 1>the hero of a story. M Yeah, this this is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe the only one I've really been able to find

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<v Speaker 1>so far. But hey, if you know some good crab

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<v Speaker 1>hero stories out there, right in, because we'd love to

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<v Speaker 1>hear from you, because yeah, generally it seems like crabs

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be a minor character. Uh. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's think of Disney's a Little Mermaid, right. The crab

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<v Speaker 1>is just there to be a friend to arial the Mermaid. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess maybe he comes through a time or two,

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<v Speaker 1>but he's he's not the focus. He's not the he's

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<v Speaker 1>not the big central hero. But you know, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's a kind of mechanically intuitive pairing to have snakes

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<v Speaker 1>and crabs together in a tale like this. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>does seem like it's something that storytellers around the world

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<v Speaker 1>have come back to a few times. Um For instance,

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<v Speaker 1>there's this crab snake duology in the Aesop fable The

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<v Speaker 1>Snake and the Crab. Also, speaking of Disney movies, it

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<v Speaker 1>factors into Disney's The Sword in the Stone, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a King Arthur movie that I imagine a number of

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<v Speaker 1>you have seen and they're familiar with. It's an otherwise,

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<v Speaker 1>in my opinion, it's it's kind of a boring film.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't have a lot going on, except it has

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<v Speaker 1>this fabulous wizard battle between Merlin and this this evil

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<v Speaker 1>witch who I think was created for the Like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Morgana or anything. It's just it's just this witch

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<v Speaker 1>that he battles, Mab I think her name is Mim Mim. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you think you're right. So anyway, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>battle between between two magic users and the whole The

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<v Speaker 1>rules of the battle are that they have to fight

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<v Speaker 1>each other. Uh. No one can turn invisible. You can

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<v Speaker 1>only transform into real world animals, not in to fantasy

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<v Speaker 1>animals and we're going to see who who winds up

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<v Speaker 1>on top. So it's a fabulous sequence where they jump

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<v Speaker 1>in and out of various animal forms and there, and

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<v Speaker 1>you know, generally trying to counter each other. And in

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<v Speaker 1>this it actually reminds me a lot of of of

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<v Speaker 1>another of a Japanese story about foxes that are engaging

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<v Speaker 1>in a similar competition, magical foxes who are transforming themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into different forms, and like one transforms into this and

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<v Speaker 1>the other transforms into something to sort of uh counter that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just keeps going. And in this case, one

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<v Speaker 1>of them transforms into a snake and the other transforms

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<v Speaker 1>into a crab in order to of course clip that

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<v Speaker 1>snake in half if it can. Yeah, this comes back

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<v Speaker 1>to that mechanically intuitive pairing I was talking about where

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<v Speaker 1>I think people just have a natural tendency that goes

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<v Speaker 1>like this. So first step you see a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>is longer than it is wide, and then the second

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<v Speaker 1>step you automatically think about cutting or snipping it cross wise.

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<v Speaker 1>So snakes are naturally long and crabs have biological scissors

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<v Speaker 1>on their legs. Yes, um I also, yeah, Ni Nim

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<v Speaker 1>is great in this, but also I have to say

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<v Speaker 1>that Merlin has a wonderful animated mustache as long as

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<v Speaker 1>we're we're focusing on November mustaches here, And it makes sense,

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<v Speaker 1>right because we think of the like the mouth parts

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<v Speaker 1>of a crab, it's easy to to imply some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a mustache going on there as well. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it fits right in there. Now I want to say

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<v Speaker 1>something else here. I thought that this is worth noting

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<v Speaker 1>about the crab, the crab form, and about how the

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<v Speaker 1>crab is just ultimately this winning design. In fact, it's

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<v Speaker 1>such a winning design that, according to a two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>twenty one Harvard University study, the crab like body plan

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<v Speaker 1>evolved at least five times independently in both true crabs

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<v Speaker 1>and false crabs. So that's at least five cases of carcinization. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a term that was coined by evolutionary biologist l. A.

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<v Speaker 1>Bora Dale in nineteen sixteen. And on top of this,

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<v Speaker 1>the Harvard study points out that the crab body has

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<v Speaker 1>been lost at least seven times, so this would be

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<v Speaker 1>a process that they refer to as d carcinization. So, um,

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<v Speaker 1>I love this idea. I mean this kind of falls

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<v Speaker 1>into I think a popular meme about everything becoming crabs,

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<v Speaker 1>about how, given enough time, the crab form will be

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<v Speaker 1>the form of everything because it just works so exceedingly well. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>I do enjoy that meme. I guess technically, if we

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<v Speaker 1>want to be pedantic, it's about certain types of arthropods,

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<v Speaker 1>like you've already got certain a certain body plan to

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<v Speaker 1>start with, and if you're starting their things that are like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, lobster ish or something in one way or

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<v Speaker 1>another often are shaped by their environment to become more

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<v Speaker 1>crab like. But yeah, yeah, thumbs up to the meme.

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<v Speaker 1>So the first crab I thought we might talk about

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<v Speaker 1>here today, uh sometimes referred to as the Yeti crab

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<v Speaker 1>or the hof crab. It's it's actual name is perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>a better suited for this interesting creature. Now, there are

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<v Speaker 1>a few different varieties, but the one of the first

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<v Speaker 1>that was really discovered that really set the trend is

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<v Speaker 1>Kiwa Hersuta. Kiwa is the name of the Maori sea god,

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<v Speaker 1>and then Hersuita is Latin for Harry. So Kiwa Hersuta

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<v Speaker 1>was discovered by a team from the Monterey Bay Aquarium

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<v Speaker 1>in two thousands six along the Pacific Antarctic Ridge south

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<v Speaker 1>of Easter island and it is a is a wonderful

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<v Speaker 1>looking creature, this pale, hairy looking crab, kind of elongated looking.

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<v Speaker 1>I would say, it looks a little bit like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of a lobster perhaps, but it has no

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<v Speaker 1>eyes and it lives on hydrothermal vents. So this discovery

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<v Speaker 1>gave us not only a new species, but a new genus,

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<v Speaker 1>that Keywa genus. And there are other Cua crabs that

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<v Speaker 1>have popped up, including Kiwa ty lerry found off the

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<v Speaker 1>Southern found in the Southern Ocean off of Antarctica. And

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<v Speaker 1>this species is probably my favorite, as in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a little more cute looking, it's less elongated, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's more it's more plump. It looks I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>it just looks like like like it it belongs in

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<v Speaker 1>a cartoon, you know, yes, And it's a great example

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<v Speaker 1>of the kinds of things we were just talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>with these sort of converging forms of different types of

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<v Speaker 1>of marine arthropods. Because technically the Kywa genus are not

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<v Speaker 1>true crabs. I think they are a type of lobster

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<v Speaker 1>or lobster related organism. But they're they're super cool. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean they're also focusing just on Tylery here it has

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<v Speaker 1>a tiny habitat, a mere thermal envelope of a few

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<v Speaker 1>square meters deep along the East Scotia Ridge. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>here that they live by these black smokers. These are vents,

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<v Speaker 1>These a chimney like vents that spew dark water that

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<v Speaker 1>reaches temperatures of roughly seven degrees fahrenheit or three degrees celsius.

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<v Speaker 1>They live in heaps here, sometimes like six thousand crabs

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<v Speaker 1>per square meter, and they're cramped in here because outside

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<v Speaker 1>of this narrow proximity to the Black Smokers, the ocean

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<v Speaker 1>is extremely cold. Uh. So they're they're this fascinating example

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<v Speaker 1>of extremophile life suspended between boiling eruptions and chilling darkness.

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<v Speaker 1>Like this is the niche that they've carved out for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also interesting to imagine how they would spread between

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<v Speaker 1>one vent to another. You know that you almost have

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<v Speaker 1>to imagine their lifestyle is like a uh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>living on these tiny islands in a way. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so yeah, so they're on these little little islands and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and they're they're jocking position here. So you tend

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<v Speaker 1>to find like the older bigger crabs are are are

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<v Speaker 1>towards the center, towards the heat, and the adolescents are

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<v Speaker 1>having to to scramble for position on the outside. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>the hot, sulfur rich zone is is likely too much

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<v Speaker 1>for their eggs, so the females seem to have to

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<v Speaker 1>crawl off into the colder, darker waters to brood and

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<v Speaker 1>they likely die there. They likely just don't have the energy.

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<v Speaker 1>They spend all their energy going out to do that

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<v Speaker 1>and they can't make it back. But the females. Then

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<v Speaker 1>this releases a vast quantity of larvae into the water

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<v Speaker 1>column and some of these end up finding distant vents,

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<v Speaker 1>others returning to their own vent um. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>this is how we end up with with with with

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<v Speaker 1>the larvae from from a particular hydrothermal vent location potentially

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<v Speaker 1>ending up at other vents. Yeah, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>organisms in the ocean, they've got this sort of broadcasting

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<v Speaker 1>method of reproduction that allows allows uh the organisms to

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<v Speaker 1>spread in their in their larval forms. Yeah. I was

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<v Speaker 1>reading a great article about this in on the BBC

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<v Speaker 1>website by Jonathan Amos wrote about them in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen and points out the first of all the last

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<v Speaker 1>common ancestor of all these various YETI crabs, probably live

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to forty million years ago in the Eastern Pacific.

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<v Speaker 1>And so what we have here are these different far

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<v Speaker 1>flung ancestors due to the successful colonization of hydrothermal vents

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<v Speaker 1>by dispersed larvae UM and so the other. Then the

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<v Speaker 1>crazy thing about all this too is once they have

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<v Speaker 1>found of a place to thrive, that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a forever home um. In Amos's words, these

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<v Speaker 1>various events quote switch on and off through time. So

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<v Speaker 1>event that has this thriving population of of of Yetti

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<v Speaker 1>crabs around it may just suddenly turn off, and then

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<v Speaker 1>everything around that just eyes in the cold um. And

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<v Speaker 1>then it may turn back on later uh, and then

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<v Speaker 1>it's a place that the larvae can can can can

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<v Speaker 1>arrive at and life can sort of begin again until

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<v Speaker 1>such time as it just turns off. Returning to the

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<v Speaker 1>island analogy, you have to imagine like a small island

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<v Speaker 1>that has a thriving ecosystem on it, and then suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>it just gets like a dome clamped over it that

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<v Speaker 1>turns it into a sub zero freezer. And then at

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<v Speaker 1>some point, maybe the dome is suddenly lifted and it's

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<v Speaker 1>exposed to the sun again. Yeah. Yeah, and so this

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<v Speaker 1>is why any given species of yeti crab has to

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<v Speaker 1>ultimately maintain multiple footholds at different events to survive. But

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<v Speaker 1>it also drives home the delicate how just how delicate

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<v Speaker 1>these event environments are, because um, if human activity wipes out,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, potentially, just like it seems like just one

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<v Speaker 1>or two of these vent habitats, they could potentially limit

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<v Speaker 1>a given species holdings to an unsustainable level. Um. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know that researchers have really worked out. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we we I don't think we know enough about like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all the different places that they live. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it. Basically, the idea is we we we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know just how delicate the situation is. If they're depending

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<v Speaker 1>on vents that may again turn off and back on

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<v Speaker 1>again at any given moment, they have to have a

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<v Speaker 1>foothole in a certain number, And if you start digging

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<v Speaker 1>into that number through deep sea mining or some other

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<v Speaker 1>human venture, then yeah, you potentially put them in in

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<v Speaker 1>an unsustainable place. Won't someone think of the dear crustaceans,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they are so cute. I mean it is uh,

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<v Speaker 1>probably easier than than with a lot of Arthur pods

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<v Speaker 1>in the ocean. Degenerate sympathy for them because they look

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like, yeah, these pale, fuzzy ticks. Uh, that

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't really folks sympathy, does it. But they yeah, they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're like plump and cute and I don't know they're good. Well. Also, Tyleria,

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<v Speaker 1>especially if you look at a picture of them from

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<v Speaker 1>a from above, it also kind of looked with the

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<v Speaker 1>pale colorization, it looks like a human skull from above

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<v Speaker 1>there's a human skull with skull cover colored legs and

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<v Speaker 1>claws coming out of it, which again doesn't sound very cute,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess, but um, but but it makes it makes

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<v Speaker 1>it a very interesting creature to look at. Now, I

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<v Speaker 1>should again stressed that we have different varieties and they

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<v Speaker 1>have some different um different features. For instance, tileery have

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<v Speaker 1>special spikes for scaling up those chimneys of the black smokers. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a species found near Costa Rica which is Kiwa

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<v Speaker 1>pura vita, which doesn't have claws at all. Um. So

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<v Speaker 1>you have the have the different varieties, but what they

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<v Speaker 1>seem to all have in common is their namesake hair,

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<v Speaker 1>which is in here at all but set which they

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<v Speaker 1>use to collect bacteria growing around the hydrothermal vents and

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<v Speaker 1>also to grow it within these uh what if it's

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes referred to as gardens on their bodies, and then

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.680
<v Speaker 1>they use their delicate mouthparts to scoop up and consume

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<v Speaker 1>the bacteria. So they are you know, they're they're walking

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<v Speaker 1>around growing their own food, collecting their own food and

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<v Speaker 1>then growing it on their own body. It's pretty great.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank thank thank well. This actually connects directly to a

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<v Speaker 1>couple more examples I wanted to talk about. So the

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<v Speaker 1>first one is connected by the idea of these deep

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<v Speaker 1>sea dwelling uh crustaceans that can be found around hydrothermal vents.

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<v Speaker 1>So I came across another report of interesting crab feeding behavior.

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<v Speaker 1>This this was from a short article and New Scientists

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<v Speaker 1>by Sam Wong, and the subject of this uh this

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<v Speaker 1>right up was video footage that had been captured by

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<v Speaker 1>a robotic deep submersible that was based off of the

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<v Speaker 1>Schmidt Ocean Institute's ship, the foul Core, and it had

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<v Speaker 1>been exploring life around deep hydrothermal vents in the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>at a depth of thirty meters so way way down.

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<v Speaker 1>This was in the Mariana region. Well, I have to

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<v Speaker 1>slow down there. That it was called the foul Core.

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<v Speaker 1>So it was named for the Wish Dragon and the

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<v Speaker 1>Never Ending Story. I don't know what's awesome it so well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know this fal Core in the Never Earning

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<v Speaker 1>Story named after something else or is that original to

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<v Speaker 1>the book? I don't know offhand, so I cannot answer

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<v Speaker 1>your question. But that is its name, all right? Or

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<v Speaker 1>are you gonna apply to set sail on the Falcore? Now? No,

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<v Speaker 1>probably not, but I but I applaud the naming, uh

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<v Speaker 1>either way. So anyway, the submersible based off of this

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<v Speaker 1>ship was um capturing footage of crabs that were that

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<v Speaker 1>were around these hydrothermal hotspots, and this particular species was

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<v Speaker 1>known as austin O Greya Williams c. Apparently, not a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot is known about them, but they inhabit these hotspots,

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<v Speaker 1>and like many other deep sea creatures, they tend to

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<v Speaker 1>be pale and lacking eyes and so as to the

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<v Speaker 1>diet of these crabs, they have been observed eating some

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<v Speaker 1>regular things like snails and algae, but they have also

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<v Speaker 1>been observed engaging in brew rutle cannibalism. You can find

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<v Speaker 1>some video footage of this. Uh. It's it's of a

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<v Speaker 1>particularly frenzied quality. It's just sort of like a big

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<v Speaker 1>murder puddle of pale crabs ripping legs and claws off

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<v Speaker 1>and and running away with them. Uh and and and

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<v Speaker 1>of course in addition to eating other things in their environment.

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<v Speaker 1>But on this expedition, footage was captured of these crabs

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<v Speaker 1>doing something a little gentler. They were appearing to groom

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<v Speaker 1>one another, eating bacteria off of the shells of con specifics.

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<v Speaker 1>So for example, you can see one crab going up

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<v Speaker 1>to another crab's leg and just sort of picking at it,

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<v Speaker 1>just picking it, not pulling the leg off and running

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<v Speaker 1>away with it, as they might be wont to do

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<v Speaker 1>in another situation, but just sort of like grazing along

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<v Speaker 1>the outside of the leg, getting some of this, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this bacterial matting off of the surface of the of

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<v Speaker 1>the exoskeleton. And this is really interesting behavior. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>me wonder, like, what does this indicate about the nature

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<v Speaker 1>of the crab? Is it possible this could have some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of social role within crab society? Like the social

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<v Speaker 1>grooming behaviors of primates. I mean, on one hand, that

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<v Speaker 1>seems kind of unlikely because these are you know, these

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<v Speaker 1>are crabs. They're not they're not social mammals, um, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it could just be that bacteria is delicious and

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<v Speaker 1>here are some right now on on my on this

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor's leg. But I guess we don't know that this

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<v Speaker 1>kind of thing. I'd be interested to see more research about,

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<v Speaker 1>like could there be a role for some type of

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<v Speaker 1>social grooming within these within these deep see Arthur pod communities. Interesting. Interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>Now I had in the background here, Joe, I had

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<v Speaker 1>to do some quick research. And first of all, I

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<v Speaker 1>can confirm that the RV Falcore is in fact named

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<v Speaker 1>after the Wish dragon in The never Ending Story. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It was. It was originally called the Cea Falcon, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it was retrofitted um later um and I believe

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand nine or so, and then it was renamed

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<v Speaker 1>the foul Core. Now the name Foulcore. Incidentally, Falcore is

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<v Speaker 1>the English uh name for the Wish dragon in the

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<v Speaker 1>English translation of Michael Linda's The Never Ending Story. In

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<v Speaker 1>the German the name is fukor fuc Hu. Are derived

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<v Speaker 1>from the Japanese term for lucky dragon fukur you uh

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<v Speaker 1>if I'm saying that correctly, And apparently it was changed

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<v Speaker 1>in the English translation because, um, the name future sounds

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<v Speaker 1>too much like an English language swear word. Okay, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I I feel very educated now. Um the way, did

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<v Speaker 1>they change the name of the type of dragon in

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<v Speaker 1>the movie because I remembered it from the movie as

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<v Speaker 1>being a luck dragon? Is it a wish dragon? In

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<v Speaker 1>the book? I might have accidentally said wish dragon just now,

0:22:52.040 --> 0:22:56.000
<v Speaker 1>but he is. He is a luck dragon. Wish dragon

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<v Speaker 1>is is a is a different film that I've also

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<v Speaker 1>watched recently. We watched all the dragon films. Okay, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>steady sailing to the falcore. But let's get back to

0:23:05.480 --> 0:23:08.560
<v Speaker 1>the world of crabs. What else do crabs eat? Okay, well,

0:23:08.600 --> 0:23:12.720
<v Speaker 1>so we talked about them growing bacteria on themselves and

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:15.640
<v Speaker 1>eating it off of themselves, and then in some cases

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<v Speaker 1>performing grooming like behaviors where they graze bacteria off of

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<v Speaker 1>each other. But I want to move on to another

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:25.879
<v Speaker 1>parallel finding. So okay, if you are even the slightest

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<v Speaker 1>bit crab curious, you probably know a bit about the

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<v Speaker 1>type of crabs known as spider crabs. This involves many

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<v Speaker 1>different species, all belonging to the super family known as

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<v Speaker 1>Majoi data. They're called spider crabs I think because their

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<v Speaker 1>legs can get very long and spind lee, so in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases they actually do look like spiders. One of

0:23:46.160 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 1>these animals, maybe the most remarkable spider crab is the

0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:53.879
<v Speaker 1>Japanese spider crab or macro chira camp Ferry, which is

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<v Speaker 1>the largest extant arthropod in the world. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>an ocean dwelling crab that still exists today. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>some you know, devonian, your yptorid, giant sea scorpion or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You can find these out in the ocean still, and

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<v Speaker 1>the largest one on record had a leg span of

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<v Speaker 1>around three point eight meters or more than twelve feet,

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<v Speaker 1>and it weighed something like forty something pounds. So these

0:24:18.520 --> 0:24:22.200
<v Speaker 1>things are enormous. They're mostly legs, so you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>not like a solid mass that big, but if they

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<v Speaker 1>spread their legs out, it is it is bigger than

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<v Speaker 1>human body. Yeah, you can often find spider crabs at

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<v Speaker 1>at aquariums, and they always need to look at I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't do much they're they're they're they're not really

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<v Speaker 1>action packed, but they're very impressive specimens. But there's actually

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<v Speaker 1>another interesting thing about this superfamily, the Majoidea. About three

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<v Speaker 1>quarters of the species in the superfamily are examples of

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<v Speaker 1>what is known as decorator crabs. Decorator crabs are animals

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<v Speaker 1>that live in symbiotic relationships with many different kinds of

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<v Speaker 1>sessile organis sums by attaching those organisms to their exoskeletons. Rob,

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<v Speaker 1>I've got some images for you to look at. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>There are many different kinds that live in relationships with

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<v Speaker 1>many different kinds of other species, but generally a decorator

0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:19.080
<v Speaker 1>crab wears other plants or animals as clothing on the

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:22.960
<v Speaker 1>outside of its shell as a form of camouflage to

0:25:23.000 --> 0:25:26.600
<v Speaker 1>blend into its surroundings. And it does this by hooking

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<v Speaker 1>these other organisms onto little bristles on its exoskeleton called

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<v Speaker 1>ct S E T A E, which I've seen compared

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<v Speaker 1>to velcrow, So this might be a sort of natural

0:25:37.320 --> 0:25:41.200
<v Speaker 1>precedent for for velcrow technology. There are lots of different

0:25:41.280 --> 0:25:43.560
<v Speaker 1>kinds of other creatures that get roped into this. Some

0:25:43.640 --> 0:25:49.520
<v Speaker 1>particular species of decorator crabs, uh, prefer algae, some prefer sponges,

0:25:50.040 --> 0:25:53.720
<v Speaker 1>some look for certain bryozoans, and some like anemonies that

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<v Speaker 1>can sting. Oh yeah, I think. Yeah. There's been some

0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.160
<v Speaker 1>some interesting studies we've probably talked about in the show

0:25:59.200 --> 0:26:04.439
<v Speaker 1>before about these uh, these anemone wielding crabs. Uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then what what? They usually have one on each claw

0:26:07.320 --> 0:26:09.320
<v Speaker 1>and then if one gets taken away, they can care

0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:12.400
<v Speaker 1>one in half to have two again that sort of thing.

0:26:12.600 --> 0:26:16.040
<v Speaker 1>Were these the boxer crabs? Yeah, I think so. Well, yeah,

0:26:16.080 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 1>so that example in particular of anemon ees that can

0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>give you a hint that sometimes these decorations on the

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:26.600
<v Speaker 1>outside of the shell do more than simply camouflage the

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:28.840
<v Speaker 1>animal as it hides among the rocks and the other

0:26:28.880 --> 0:26:32.120
<v Speaker 1>flora and fauna populating the sea floor. Some of these

0:26:32.160 --> 0:26:36.840
<v Speaker 1>decorator crabs select organisms that play a specific defensive role.

0:26:37.640 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 1>So I was looking at a table of findings of

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<v Speaker 1>this sword published in a book called Animal Camouflage, Mechanisms

0:26:45.440 --> 0:26:50.760
<v Speaker 1>and Function edited by Martin Stevens and Semi Mirlita. And

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:53.840
<v Speaker 1>this was from Cambridge University Press in two thousand eleven,

0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and it lists a bunch of different examples of different

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:01.600
<v Speaker 1>types of majoid crabs along with research identifying their preferred

0:27:01.640 --> 0:27:05.880
<v Speaker 1>decorations and possible reasons for that preference. So, for example,

0:27:05.960 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 1>there is a type of crab known as the innocous

0:27:08.880 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>Philangium or the leeches spider crab. It appears to prefer

0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:17.800
<v Speaker 1>a type of brown algae known as Dictyota dick atoma

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:21.240
<v Speaker 1>for the parts of its body most exposed to predators.

0:27:21.480 --> 0:27:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And it turns out that this species of algae is

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<v Speaker 1>not only good camouflage, it is chemically noxious, So it

0:27:28.680 --> 0:27:31.800
<v Speaker 1>hides that this crab hides the vulnerable parts of its

0:27:31.800 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>body behind something that predators would probably find disgusting or

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>even poisonous. Uh. Maybe, like if you were trying to,

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:42.359
<v Speaker 1>you know, protect yourself from tigers by covering your back

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:44.960
<v Speaker 1>in bottles of bleach. You know, a tiger gets in

0:27:45.000 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>there and starts biting it's it's not gonna want any

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.080
<v Speaker 1>of that. Also along these lines, there's an Atlantic spider

0:27:50.160 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>crab called Stino c o ops for cot Us that

0:27:53.160 --> 0:27:57.160
<v Speaker 1>preferentially attaches a species of stinging anemony to its carapace.

0:27:57.840 --> 0:28:00.520
<v Speaker 1>And in both cases, these decorations would appear to provide

0:28:00.560 --> 0:28:04.639
<v Speaker 1>additional defenses. Beyond just masking the body in the environment.

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:06.879
<v Speaker 1>But the crab from this list that I wanted to

0:28:06.880 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 1>focus on has a different relationship with its preferred decoration organism.

0:28:11.600 --> 0:28:16.080
<v Speaker 1>It likes to eat its own camouflage. So the animal

0:28:16.119 --> 0:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>in question is known as noo Mithrax ursus, or the

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:23.440
<v Speaker 1>hairy seaweed crab. I think the Latin name of its

0:28:23.800 --> 0:28:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of its species ursus, implies that it's also known as

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:31.679
<v Speaker 1>the bear seaweed crab or sign bear. And folks, I

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:33.840
<v Speaker 1>just want to say, off the bat, this is a

0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 1>beautiful crab. In some cases it looks like a cartoon

0:28:38.040 --> 0:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>animation of a crab being electrocuted. It's got like animated

0:28:42.720 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 1>electricity lines all around it. Also sometimes it looks like

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>a burst of fireworks from hell. It is just a

0:28:49.360 --> 0:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>gorgeous Arthur pod. And I can definitely see where the

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.120
<v Speaker 1>name comes in because it it is it looks like

0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:57.760
<v Speaker 1>it's furry like the bear. You know, yeah, totally um So,

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it has some natural hairs that that stick out from

0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>its exo skeleton. But it's also generally well actually not

0:29:05.000 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 1>in all environments, but in some environments it covers itself

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.600
<v Speaker 1>in uh in. In these decorations that give it this

0:29:11.720 --> 0:29:15.880
<v Speaker 1>additionally hairy look. So according to an entry, I was

0:29:15.920 --> 0:29:19.520
<v Speaker 1>reading about it from the Museum's Victoria database the Australian

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.760
<v Speaker 1>Um Natural History Museums. UH. These are found in rocky

0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>shores and reefs around New Zealand and Southeastern Australia. And

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I was further reading about this this species in a

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 1>in a research paper published in the New Zealand Journal

0:29:34.840 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>of Marine and Freshwater Research in nineteen ninety four by

0:29:38.040 --> 0:29:43.240
<v Speaker 1>Chris Woods and Colin McClay called masking and Ingestion Preferences

0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of the spider crab not a mythrax Ursus. And what

0:29:46.760 --> 0:29:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the researchers here say is that in laboratory tests, specimens

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:53.920
<v Speaker 1>of this crab not a mithrax Ursus were found to

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:57.360
<v Speaker 1>have preferences when it came to which organisms they would

0:29:57.440 --> 0:30:00.640
<v Speaker 1>mask with. So it wasn't just any algae. There are

0:30:00.640 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 1>certain kinds of algae they like to put on their shells,

0:30:04.120 --> 0:30:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and specifically it was types of branched algae like hallop

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:14.479
<v Speaker 1>terrorists specific era and Corallina office analis. And I actually

0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>just want to read in full a part from the

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 1>introductory section of this paper that describes the process of

0:30:20.880 --> 0:30:23.800
<v Speaker 1>attaching pieces of algae to the body because I found

0:30:23.800 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it really fascinating to picture this routine as the crab

0:30:26.960 --> 0:30:29.840
<v Speaker 1>does it. Uh and so too. As a note to

0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:32.320
<v Speaker 1>help understand what I'm about to read here, the words

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:35.920
<v Speaker 1>chili and chella pads refer to the claws. The chili

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:39.040
<v Speaker 1>are the claws and the chili pads are the claw legs.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Pad isn't foot, so the authors write quote. The masking

0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:47.280
<v Speaker 1>behavior of in Ursus begins with the selection of a

0:30:47.360 --> 0:30:51.200
<v Speaker 1>clump of algae. The crab then selects a single piece

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.840
<v Speaker 1>of alga, using the chili in a cella over cella

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:58.440
<v Speaker 1>technique to correctly measure the piece of algae to the

0:30:58.520 --> 0:31:01.920
<v Speaker 1>required size, So the measuring it out using their claws

0:31:02.000 --> 0:31:05.080
<v Speaker 1>as a as a as a ruler. Basically, this piece

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 1>of alga is then snipped off using the cheli and

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:11.240
<v Speaker 1>transferred to the mouth parts, where the cut end is

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.479
<v Speaker 1>roughened and trimmed of any projections, while the uncut end

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>is held by both chelipeds. Okay, so holding it in

0:31:19.040 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>the claws and then chewing on the snipped end, putting

0:31:22.640 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 1>it in the mouth parts to chew on it. Then

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 1>once you've chewed up the cut end good uh quote.

0:31:27.720 --> 0:31:30.600
<v Speaker 1>One cheli pad is then used to transfer the piece

0:31:30.640 --> 0:31:33.719
<v Speaker 1>to a part of the body. Attachment is accomplished by

0:31:33.800 --> 0:31:36.520
<v Speaker 1>rubbing it against the hooked set so that the cut

0:31:36.640 --> 0:31:40.320
<v Speaker 1>end becomes entrapped by the set. If the algal piece

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 1>does not attach, it first is transferred back to the

0:31:42.960 --> 0:31:45.720
<v Speaker 1>mouth parts to be manipulated, and then taken back to

0:31:45.760 --> 0:31:48.320
<v Speaker 1>the side of attachment and rubbed against the hook set

0:31:48.560 --> 0:31:51.600
<v Speaker 1>until it attaches. If the piece of alga fails to

0:31:51.640 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>attach after a number of attempts, it is discarded and

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>a new piece is selected. I don't know why, but

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:59.440
<v Speaker 1>I found this kind of surprising. Something seemed kind of

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 1>comple x and and and crafty about this process. Yeah,

0:32:04.480 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean it. It's it's a process that may seem,

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, out of beyond the abilities of what we

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:13.840
<v Speaker 1>might might generally attribute to a crab. But then again,

0:32:13.880 --> 0:32:15.920
<v Speaker 1>we think about the way they eat, which we discussed

0:32:15.920 --> 0:32:19.120
<v Speaker 1>in the first episode, and it does sound like a

0:32:19.200 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>natural extension of that, Like this is an animal that

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:26.600
<v Speaker 1>is very that excels at taking things apart um uh

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you know I usually so it can fit those things

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:31.880
<v Speaker 1>in its mouth, uh, and can consume it but this

0:32:31.960 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 1>is kind of a specialized version of the same thing,

0:32:34.400 --> 0:32:39.560
<v Speaker 1>manipulating living things um and then using the pieces of

0:32:39.560 --> 0:32:42.440
<v Speaker 1>that thing that you have manipulated. It ends up being

0:32:42.480 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>this kind of kind of like biomancy that the crab practices. Yeah, totally.

0:32:48.280 --> 0:32:51.160
<v Speaker 1>I just love that detail about it chewing the snipped

0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.440
<v Speaker 1>end of the alga in order to roughen it so

0:32:53.480 --> 0:32:56.960
<v Speaker 1>that it attaches to the vel crow on its back. Yeah. Now,

0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.800
<v Speaker 1>another interesting fact this paper mentions is that there is

0:32:59.840 --> 0:33:03.080
<v Speaker 1>a lot of turnover in the crabs algae mask. Apparently

0:33:03.160 --> 0:33:06.720
<v Speaker 1>not a Mithrax ursus replaces a good ten to twenty

0:33:07.160 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>of its algae cover every twenty four hours. That would mean,

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:13.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, every roughly five to ten days, it's got

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 1>a new coat of algae on it. And apparently decorator

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>crabs that use algae in particular can be very strategic

0:33:21.840 --> 0:33:26.000
<v Speaker 1>about its benefits as camouflage. For example, previous research, so

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.360
<v Speaker 1>not this study, but other studies they cite, had found

0:33:29.680 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 1>in some decorator species that when you put a crab

0:33:32.640 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>in a tank where it is surrounded by algae that

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.240
<v Speaker 1>doesn't match the color of the algae on its current mask,

0:33:39.920 --> 0:33:43.360
<v Speaker 1>it will basically strip itself of the old algae and

0:33:43.480 --> 0:33:47.160
<v Speaker 1>redecorate itself with the new algae to match its environment.

0:33:47.880 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 1>And also research has shown that when given the option,

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:54.200
<v Speaker 1>crabs will tend to stay hidden within masses of algae

0:33:54.520 --> 0:33:58.240
<v Speaker 1>that match the color of their existing mask. So these

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:02.680
<v Speaker 1>crabs can distinguish between different types of masking materials and

0:34:02.720 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>they can make calls about masking and hiding behaviors to

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:10.920
<v Speaker 1>maximize the camouflage effects. Wow, that's really it's really impressive. Yeah,

0:34:10.920 --> 0:34:13.840
<v Speaker 1>it's it. It goes beyond just this near sort of

0:34:13.880 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>automatic behavior that's taking place with anything that it happens

0:34:18.200 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>to come across, right, So, yeah, it's not just sort

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:22.880
<v Speaker 1>of like rubbing up against a bunch of algae and

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:25.719
<v Speaker 1>getting it stuck on there. It's picking the algae that

0:34:25.800 --> 0:34:28.880
<v Speaker 1>will that will do the best job of camouflage. But

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:32.319
<v Speaker 1>the researchers in this study found a different kind of

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:37.000
<v Speaker 1>discrimination in the selection of the masking material when it

0:34:37.040 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>came to Noto Mithrax ursus. They found that the algae

0:34:40.440 --> 0:34:44.040
<v Speaker 1>species the crabs preferred to mask with were the same

0:34:44.120 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 1>ones they preferred to eat. So if you make like

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 1>a ranked list of all of the algae that the

0:34:50.560 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 1>crab will go to first to eat which ones doesn't

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.200
<v Speaker 1>like to consume the most That is going to be

0:34:55.239 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>the same as the list that it will choose to

0:34:57.800 --> 0:35:02.080
<v Speaker 1>put on its carapace and down its legs. So in

0:35:02.120 --> 0:35:05.200
<v Speaker 1>a way, here it looks like the camouflage is doubling

0:35:05.400 --> 0:35:10.320
<v Speaker 1>as food storage. This crab is hiding behind a mask

0:35:10.400 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 1>of its own lunch, so the algae on its back

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>will help it blend in with its environment, make it

0:35:16.400 --> 0:35:18.600
<v Speaker 1>look like a bunch of seaweed rather than a crab,

0:35:18.719 --> 0:35:22.520
<v Speaker 1>so predators are you know, are less likely to spot it.

0:35:23.000 --> 0:35:25.719
<v Speaker 1>But then also it can eat that seaweed. It can

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.239
<v Speaker 1>eat that algae if it gets hungry. It's like if

0:35:29.239 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 1>we were to imagine a like an army sniper in

0:35:32.320 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 1>one of those gilly suits, but they insisted on only

0:35:35.400 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 1>camouflaging themselves with their favorite leafy greens so that they

0:35:39.760 --> 0:35:43.279
<v Speaker 1>could snack on it whilst while stalking, you know, and

0:35:43.280 --> 0:35:46.600
<v Speaker 1>and and waiting on their their target to appear. This

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>gilly suit is a super food kale only kale gilly suit.

0:35:51.280 --> 0:35:53.520
<v Speaker 1>I love it, though I guess it does make me

0:35:53.560 --> 0:35:55.520
<v Speaker 1>wonder maybe there is an answer to this. I'm not sure,

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:58.640
<v Speaker 1>but it makes me wonder which way the adaptation goes, Like,

0:35:58.719 --> 0:36:01.520
<v Speaker 1>how how did it end up matching the food preferences

0:36:01.560 --> 0:36:05.160
<v Speaker 1>and the masking preferences? Um? So, like, was it because

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.080
<v Speaker 1>a certain type of algae was the best, you know,

0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:12.200
<v Speaker 1>provided the best camouflage cover, the animal evolved to prefer

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:15.359
<v Speaker 1>eating that kind or was it the kind that's most

0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:20.439
<v Speaker 1>delicious and nutritious it evolves to prefer for masking. Yeah,

0:36:20.480 --> 0:36:23.520
<v Speaker 1>that's a great question. Yeah, the crabs are silent on

0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the matter than all Right, up next we have this

0:36:33.080 --> 0:36:37.440
<v Speaker 1>will be a shorter little section here, but this is

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 1>something you you you pinpointed and then I followed up

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.640
<v Speaker 1>by by looking at a source on it. But this

0:36:44.719 --> 0:36:47.839
<v Speaker 1>is the idea of crabs eating. This is so much

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:52.640
<v Speaker 1>crabs eating something remarkably different, but crabs doing it in

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.399
<v Speaker 1>a way we didn't expect. And that's crabs eating quote

0:36:55.480 --> 0:36:58.880
<v Speaker 1>unquote eating through their gills. Yeah, this is interesting, so

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>circumventing the look at mouth parts that you don't even

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:04.839
<v Speaker 1>have to raise a jaw leg for this meal. Right,

0:37:05.520 --> 0:37:08.440
<v Speaker 1>So this concerns the invasive or at least invasive in

0:37:08.719 --> 0:37:12.279
<v Speaker 1>um uh North America and I believe in Africa as well. Uh.

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.160
<v Speaker 1>The the invasive green shore crab, which we've discussed on

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:18.920
<v Speaker 1>the show before. I believe in their native European waters

0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:21.600
<v Speaker 1>they are sometimes harvested for food, and there have been

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:25.160
<v Speaker 1>efforts in North America, where it is certainly invasive, to

0:37:25.280 --> 0:37:28.200
<v Speaker 1>encourage its use in cooking. You know, what are some

0:37:28.239 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>culinary uses for this, and I think there have been

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:33.359
<v Speaker 1>some some ideas of using it as like a uh

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, like like a soup base and so forth. Um,

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 1>that's the same tactic you see with like invasive lion fish,

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:42.840
<v Speaker 1>hinging on the fact that if you really want humans

0:37:42.880 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 1>to make a species disappear, make them desire that species

0:37:46.560 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>for some reason or another, such as making it an

0:37:49.120 --> 0:37:52.440
<v Speaker 1>ideal main course at a dinner. Sure. I think we've

0:37:52.480 --> 0:37:55.080
<v Speaker 1>actually covered the green shore crabs in a different capacity

0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 1>on the show before. I don't remember what it was, though,

0:37:58.719 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 1>so as point it out in a two thousand seventeen

0:38:01.520 --> 0:38:04.560
<v Speaker 1>study from the University of Alberta, the green crabs are

0:38:04.760 --> 0:38:08.920
<v Speaker 1>pretty snazzy consumers in their own right because they can

0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:13.800
<v Speaker 1>again quote unquote eat by absorbing nutrients, specifically the amino

0:38:14.000 --> 0:38:19.239
<v Speaker 1>acid um loose sign across their gills. And this was

0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>the first demonstration of crustaceans being able to do this.

0:38:23.000 --> 0:38:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Now that the crabs are notoriously hardy, as you often

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 1>see with an invasive species, um, so their bility disability

0:38:29.680 --> 0:38:33.600
<v Speaker 1>might enable them to survive long periods between meals. So

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:35.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't have anything to eat, but I can absorb

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 1>some some necessary amino acids, or it might help them

0:38:39.800 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>cope with changes in salinity. So offsetting salinity changes via

0:38:44.800 --> 0:38:47.719
<v Speaker 1>the amino acids that they can absorb just straight through

0:38:47.719 --> 0:38:50.600
<v Speaker 1>their gills. Okay, so they would not be fully like

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 1>sucking in chunks of food through their gills and eating

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:57.520
<v Speaker 1>like that. It's it's specifically getting these particular amino acids,

0:38:57.560 --> 0:39:01.319
<v Speaker 1>these particular nutrients out of the water around them as

0:39:01.360 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>they breathe. Yeah, so you know that's again whine we

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 1>put eat in quotation marks here. I guess it's kind

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of like our humans eating when we absorb vitamin D

0:39:11.200 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>via sunlight, that sort of thing. Are we are we

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:17.319
<v Speaker 1>eating when we get a you know, some sort of

0:39:17.320 --> 0:39:22.439
<v Speaker 1>a vitamin injection or something. Yes, Okay, I've got something

0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:25.839
<v Speaker 1>I was wondering about. Rob You may have seen it's

0:39:25.880 --> 0:39:30.880
<v Speaker 1>a very popular genre of internet video, uh feeding crabs

0:39:31.000 --> 0:39:33.719
<v Speaker 1>human food you know, I don't really think I've seen

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 1>any of these. What kind of foods are they feeding

0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:39.200
<v Speaker 1>them in these videos? Oh? Everything I've seen. I think

0:39:39.239 --> 0:39:42.040
<v Speaker 1>I've seen crabs eating pizza. I've seen crabs eating you know,

0:39:42.120 --> 0:39:46.240
<v Speaker 1>fruits and vegetables and chips and all the giving crab

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.080
<v Speaker 1>derito is probably I don't remember all the specifics, but

0:39:49.560 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've seen a good bit of this in

0:39:51.040 --> 0:39:55.800
<v Speaker 1>my day. Clearly, it's funny to look at, you know, crabs,

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the kind of it thinks it's people sort of thing,

0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 1>right exactly, A crab eating a rito is inherently comedic.

0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:03.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's good for the crab though,

0:40:03.880 --> 0:40:06.240
<v Speaker 1>then again, lots of crabs or scavengers, you know, they'll

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.360
<v Speaker 1>eat what what they can get. Um. So, so I

0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>guess I'm not too worried about the crabs. But but

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.439
<v Speaker 1>but I just wondered, is there anything interesting to cover

0:40:15.600 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>about the phenomenon of crabs eating human food? All right,

0:40:20.040 --> 0:40:23.200
<v Speaker 1>so we cannot speak for all crabs. We will not

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:28.399
<v Speaker 1>speak for all crabs. But one fun place, uh to

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.840
<v Speaker 1>look for some answers that I thought would be to

0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:34.600
<v Speaker 1>look to the realm of hermit crabs as pets. Joe,

0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:36.200
<v Speaker 1>did you ever have a hermit crab as a pet?

0:40:36.520 --> 0:40:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I did not, did you. I've always wanted one, but um,

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:44.279
<v Speaker 1>it's never been permitted. I'm always like that looks that

0:40:44.280 --> 0:40:46.800
<v Speaker 1>could be a great pet, and and and whoever is

0:40:46.840 --> 0:40:48.319
<v Speaker 1>in my life is always like, I don't know if

0:40:48.320 --> 0:40:51.360
<v Speaker 1>you need that, and they're they're probably correct. So you

0:40:51.360 --> 0:40:55.239
<v Speaker 1>mean your family now is preventing you from getting hermit crabs, right?

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:57.200
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the Yeah. I think the argument is

0:40:57.920 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>a hermit crab is either too much pet or not

0:41:00.880 --> 0:41:04.719
<v Speaker 1>enough pet. So it's either a situation where like, uh,

0:41:04.880 --> 0:41:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you really, you know, ask yourself, do we have space

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 1>and time for this creature to live in our life

0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 1>as well? Or it's a question of is there something

0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.640
<v Speaker 1>more exciting we could have, like a lizard, And that's like,

0:41:16.680 --> 0:41:18.160
<v Speaker 1>that's where we are now. We have a we have

0:41:18.200 --> 0:41:20.799
<v Speaker 1>a leopard gecko. We skipped over hermit crab and went

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:25.480
<v Speaker 1>straight to leopard gecko. This is a vertebrate household, so

0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>to be clear, there are more than one thousand hermit

0:41:28.000 --> 0:41:30.680
<v Speaker 1>crab species and you can roughly divide them all up

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.319
<v Speaker 1>into marine hermit crabs and terrestrial hermit crabs. Uh, so

0:41:34.360 --> 0:41:36.239
<v Speaker 1>you're you know, you're your sea dwellers and then your

0:41:36.440 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>land dwellers. And there are a few different species that

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>are popular pets from either category, but the ones most

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.400
<v Speaker 1>likely to encounter human food are of course those terrestrial crabs.

0:41:46.440 --> 0:41:48.760
<v Speaker 1>So I thought I might look at some terrestrial hermit

0:41:48.760 --> 0:41:53.160
<v Speaker 1>crab feeding guides for some ideas. Okay, so I went

0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 1>to the spruce pets. This is I think it's from

0:41:55.680 --> 0:41:58.440
<v Speaker 1>the same people who like the sprucey heats, uh, And

0:41:58.800 --> 0:42:01.720
<v Speaker 1>they point out that commerce hermit crab diets are probably

0:42:01.719 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>the best way to go if you're feeding a hermit crab,

0:42:03.600 --> 0:42:06.359
<v Speaker 1>because these are balanced and they contain everything that they

0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.800
<v Speaker 1>might need because in general, you know, matching up with

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.319
<v Speaker 1>pretty much everything we've been talking about here, they're going

0:42:12.360 --> 0:42:16.719
<v Speaker 1>to have a very diet their opportunistic land roving omnivore,

0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 1>so they're gonna eat a little bit of this, a

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:20.080
<v Speaker 1>little bit of that in the natural world, and you

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 1>need a food source that reflects that they're on the

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:26.879
<v Speaker 1>seafood diet. I seafood, I eats it pretty much. Yeah,

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:29.319
<v Speaker 1>So they recommend I'm going to roll through a lot

0:42:29.360 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 1>of foods here. They recommend such fresh foods as mango, papaya,

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 1>coconut fresh or dried. And I have to add that

0:42:37.600 --> 0:42:40.920
<v Speaker 1>I can certainly back up the coconut suggestion because um,

0:42:40.960 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 1>I got to watch a whole bunch of hermit crabs

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 1>go absolutely crazy over a busted open coconut once, and

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 1>it was it was amazing. It was a feeding frenzy.

0:42:49.480 --> 0:42:52.160
<v Speaker 1>Where were you seeing the wild hermit crabs? I believe

0:42:52.200 --> 0:42:55.640
<v Speaker 1>this was in Belize if memory serves. Oh, okay, all right,

0:42:55.680 --> 0:43:04.080
<v Speaker 1>But in addition to this, apples, apple sauce, bananas, grapes, pineapple, strawberries, melons, carrots, spinach, watercress,

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:07.360
<v Speaker 1>leafy green lettuces, but not iceberg lettuce because you know

0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the the nutrient issue there. Uh, Broccoli, grass leaves, strips

0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:18.400
<v Speaker 1>of deciduous tree bark, unsalted nuts, occasional peanut, butter, raisins,

0:43:18.719 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>dried seaweed, crackers, unsweetened cereals, plain rice cakes, plain popcorn

0:43:26.160 --> 0:43:32.080
<v Speaker 1>on occasion, freeze, dried shrimp, freeze dried plankton, brian shrimp, fish,

0:43:32.160 --> 0:43:36.840
<v Speaker 1>food flakes, and much more. Okay, so it looks to

0:43:36.880 --> 0:43:40.080
<v Speaker 1>me like this, Uh, this list of suggestions from this

0:43:40.120 --> 0:43:43.640
<v Speaker 1>website is suggesting a wide range of different kinds of foods,

0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:47.480
<v Speaker 1>but seems to be avoiding things that have added sugar

0:43:47.680 --> 0:43:50.480
<v Speaker 1>or salt. Yeah. They point out that the crabs may

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 1>seem very interested in salty and sweet snacks like chips

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.440
<v Speaker 1>and sweet breakfast cereals, but these are to be avoided.

0:43:56.480 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 1>They say also stay away from dairy products, which makes

0:43:59.040 --> 0:44:00.640
<v Speaker 1>sense when when when would have a crab get a

0:44:00.680 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>dairy product in the natural world. Um. And they say

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:08.240
<v Speaker 1>that the hermes are generally gonna be game for fresh

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.320
<v Speaker 1>or dried fruits of any kind, but some experts advise

0:44:11.360 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 1>against highly acidic or citrus foods, so like maybe don't

0:44:14.719 --> 0:44:18.080
<v Speaker 1>give them a limon or a tomato. Also, starch veggies

0:44:18.120 --> 0:44:21.279
<v Speaker 1>like potatoes are to be avoided um as well as

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:25.640
<v Speaker 1>again low nutrient iceberg lettuce. What I all this hating

0:44:25.680 --> 0:44:28.799
<v Speaker 1>on iceberg lettuce? I love iceberg lettuce. I'm gonna go

0:44:28.800 --> 0:44:30.800
<v Speaker 1>out on a limb right here. I'm gonna say iceberg

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:34.800
<v Speaker 1>lettuce is awesome. I mean it, iceberg lettuce can be awesome,

0:44:34.840 --> 0:44:36.759
<v Speaker 1>But the question is what are you getting out of it? Well,

0:44:36.760 --> 0:44:38.919
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what you're getting out of it nutrient wise,

0:44:39.040 --> 0:44:43.480
<v Speaker 1>but it's delicious, crunchy crunchy goodness. Alright, fair, fair enough,

0:44:43.560 --> 0:44:47.000
<v Speaker 1>just keep it away from the hermit crabs. Um. Now, also,

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:50.520
<v Speaker 1>hermit crabs require calcium, So remember that bone gnawing we

0:44:50.600 --> 0:44:53.560
<v Speaker 1>mentioned from the last episode involving other crabs kind of

0:44:53.920 --> 0:44:57.520
<v Speaker 1>plays into into this scenario. Uh, calcium edition probably not

0:44:57.520 --> 0:44:59.719
<v Speaker 1>gonna come as a surprise to many pet owners out there.

0:44:59.760 --> 0:45:02.359
<v Speaker 1>I know. With our leopard gecko, we have to we

0:45:02.400 --> 0:45:05.200
<v Speaker 1>have to shake its crickets up in a bag with

0:45:05.239 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 1>a calcium powder to ensure there's getting enough calcium, and

0:45:08.440 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 1>then also leave some calcium out for it in a

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>little tiny dish. Um. But with crabs you can end

0:45:14.320 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 1>up using reptile ready calcium supplements like this. But also

0:45:17.760 --> 0:45:20.240
<v Speaker 1>you might end up using something like crushed oyster shells

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>or cuttle bone as something that they can use to

0:45:23.239 --> 0:45:26.080
<v Speaker 1>get their their calcium. Oh yeah, okay, So tying it

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:28.839
<v Speaker 1>back to the last episode, I was just remembering the

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 1>suggestion this was not proven, but it was it was

0:45:31.400 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>hypothesized that maybe one reason duck built dinosaurs had been

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:39.120
<v Speaker 1>eating a bunch of crustaceans that might have been crabs

0:45:39.200 --> 0:45:41.520
<v Speaker 1>or some of their you know, related crustaceans that have

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:44.400
<v Speaker 1>these these hard shells. Was that they were looking for

0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:48.479
<v Speaker 1>certain nutrients types of protein or specifically calcium as part

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>of their breeding and reproduction cycle. Yeah. Now one more,

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>one more note from this spruce article because it's just

0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.720
<v Speaker 1>it's so crab. I love it. They say, quote hermit

0:45:59.760 --> 0:46:02.240
<v Speaker 1>crabs are able to find their food in two ways,

0:46:02.719 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 1>by smelling the food and by seeing other hermit crabs

0:46:06.239 --> 0:46:13.160
<v Speaker 1>eating hermit crab dietary peer pressure. Yeah, so they might

0:46:13.200 --> 0:46:15.160
<v Speaker 1>be like I detect food over there, or it's like

0:46:15.239 --> 0:46:17.880
<v Speaker 1>that hermit crabs eating something I'm in, I'm gonna go.

0:46:18.120 --> 0:46:20.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go try and steal some of that. All

0:46:20.400 --> 0:46:23.080
<v Speaker 1>the hermit crabs like Billy gets to eat iceberg lettus

0:46:23.120 --> 0:46:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Billy gets to eat pizza. Yeah. But obviously, I, like

0:46:27.280 --> 0:46:28.600
<v Speaker 1>I said, I do not have a hermit of a

0:46:28.600 --> 0:46:30.479
<v Speaker 1>pet hermit crab. I've never had one. I've just gotten

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:32.480
<v Speaker 1>to observe some in the wild and you know, look

0:46:32.520 --> 0:46:34.680
<v Speaker 1>at them in pet stores. So, if there are any

0:46:34.719 --> 0:46:38.400
<v Speaker 1>hermit crab enthusiasts out there and you have particular thoughts

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.440
<v Speaker 1>on this, if you can tell us, uh, you know

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.399
<v Speaker 1>what foods your hermit crab prefers the most, which ones

0:46:44.440 --> 0:46:47.120
<v Speaker 1>you you like to give them definitely right in and

0:46:47.160 --> 0:46:49.160
<v Speaker 1>let us know, I'd I'd love to hear from that. Really,

0:46:49.160 --> 0:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>anybody out there with with crab expertise or crabs pertise,

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:56.600
<v Speaker 1>uh you know, right in? Have you ever had part

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>of your body eaten by hermit crabs? What was that? Like?

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:03.880
<v Speaker 1>Hermit crabs do they just have a lot of character?

0:47:04.000 --> 0:47:07.240
<v Speaker 1>I love I love watching them. Yeah. Actually I recall

0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:11.279
<v Speaker 1>one Nature documentary segment I honestly don't remember what it

0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:13.160
<v Speaker 1>was from, but I think it was something narrated by

0:47:13.280 --> 0:47:15.960
<v Speaker 1>by Attenborough. Um. But it was a segment that was

0:47:16.000 --> 0:47:21.000
<v Speaker 1>showing hermit crabs forming a chain of shell trading, so

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:25.040
<v Speaker 1>like they were all trying to trade shells to get

0:47:25.080 --> 0:47:27.600
<v Speaker 1>a bigger shell, and they formed up in a line

0:47:27.760 --> 0:47:32.120
<v Speaker 1>essentially to each switch into the next one's shell. Yeah,

0:47:32.200 --> 0:47:36.840
<v Speaker 1>there have been essentially like biology economics articles that have

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:39.439
<v Speaker 1>looked at this, like how do they go about, um,

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, trading up on their their shell size? And

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 1>then you know, because if one leaves its shell for

0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:46.920
<v Speaker 1>a bigger shell, then that opens up a shell for

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:50.799
<v Speaker 1>another growing hermit crab to take advantage of it. It's

0:47:50.880 --> 0:47:53.919
<v Speaker 1>it's really fun. So the adaptation there I guess would

0:47:53.920 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>have to involve the hermit crab observing when a bigger

0:47:57.600 --> 0:48:01.720
<v Speaker 1>hermit crab is likely to be leaving its shell for

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.560
<v Speaker 1>for a bigger one. So I yeah, that would take

0:48:03.640 --> 0:48:06.200
<v Speaker 1>some kind of social observance, kind of like what you're

0:48:06.200 --> 0:48:09.640
<v Speaker 1>talking about with the hermit crabs watching other hermit crabs eat. Yeah,

0:48:09.880 --> 0:48:13.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean I think also they're they're all about stealing

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:16.960
<v Speaker 1>as well. If so, it's it's a it's a crab

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.920
<v Speaker 1>kind of a crabby crab world. But who comes up

0:48:19.960 --> 0:48:22.520
<v Speaker 1>with these rules? You can steal somebody else's shell, but

0:48:22.600 --> 0:48:25.759
<v Speaker 1>you can't eat iceberg let us. Now, they will eat

0:48:25.760 --> 0:48:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the iceberg. It's not that they don't want it, I think.

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I think the idea is like, they will eat it,

0:48:30.400 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's just they deserve better. Okay, coming up soon,

0:48:33.600 --> 0:48:35.799
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do a whole episode on iceberg let us.

0:48:35.800 --> 0:48:38.160
<v Speaker 1>It'll be about how iceberg let us is the king

0:48:38.200 --> 0:48:42.080
<v Speaker 1>of foods. It's amazing. I know that what iceberg let

0:48:42.120 --> 0:48:44.960
<v Speaker 1>us must not occur in nature. Whoever created the strain

0:48:45.080 --> 0:48:51.200
<v Speaker 1>of vegetable is really deserves great credit. All right, Well

0:48:51.200 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna go ahead and close it out there. But yeah,

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>again right in. We'd love to hear from you. Let

0:48:55.400 --> 0:48:58.520
<v Speaker 1>us know if there are other examples of curious crab

0:48:58.600 --> 0:49:02.000
<v Speaker 1>cuisines that that we were not familiar with. It didn't

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.520
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0:49:04.560 --> 0:49:09.280
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