WEBVTT - Phantom Bukkake (feat. Jes Tom)

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<v Speaker 1>This episode will be releasing on my thirty birthday, and

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<v Speaker 1>rob the eye roll that I just got from. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I turned thirty four today, and you know what I feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay saying not because last week when I told harry

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<v Speaker 1>Enough how old I was, she was shocked and said

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<v Speaker 1>she thought I was in my twenties. You gives the

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<v Speaker 1>vibe of someone who's in their twenties. Well, my skin

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<v Speaker 1>gives the vibe of someone who's in there, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you do have a what is it? Petroleum delly lugging,

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<v Speaker 1>slugging estrogen, lots of sunscreen, and I drink a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of water and fillers and my beauty secrets, oh you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just drinking water. Did you know that Sydney Sweeney only

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<v Speaker 1>drinks water? I don't care she looks like it. But

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, even if my face was horribly disfigured

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<v Speaker 1>and was this beautiful, I could wear a mask just

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<v Speaker 1>like the Phantom of the Opera, my favorite musical and

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<v Speaker 1>one of my uh you know, movie musical selections. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm so excited because after literal months of trying

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<v Speaker 1>to convince Brand to do an episode on Phantom of

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<v Speaker 1>the Opera, I was finally able to bully them into

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<v Speaker 1>it with the help of our guests. Today Just Tom,

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<v Speaker 1>who's an incredible comedian, writer and Phantom of the opera

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<v Speaker 1>stand and Just Tom just wanted to plug that they're

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<v Speaker 1>doing three nights uh for their hour called Less Lonely.

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<v Speaker 1>The poster is iconic like it's giving Phantom. It's giving

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<v Speaker 1>Phantom um at the Cherry Lane Theater July thirteen through

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteen, so y'all should get tickets. And it's also

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<v Speaker 1>being presented by Elliott Page. Hello. They're also doing another

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<v Speaker 1>show July twenty nine at Dynasty Typewriter, so go see Jeff. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>with the help of Jess, we're going to deconstruct you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the chandelier Christine Raw Joel Schumacher's ten thousand load weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is like a virgin the show we give

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday's pop culture, today's takes, I'm Rose, damn you, and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm fran Toronto. Of course more singing. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>How have you been adjusting to post vacation real life again?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me tell you, Um, I'm really, really, really tired

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<v Speaker 1>today because I was up until who I am? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't, I can't, I can't really tell you on

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<v Speaker 1>the my was it a sex reason? Yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a sex reason. Okay, so you've been been adjusting back

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<v Speaker 1>to Yes, what about you? Your birthday is coming up? Actually,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe this podcast job. This episode drops on my

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<v Speaker 1>on your birthday turning forty four. Just kidding, some people

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<v Speaker 1>would believe that. No, my birthday is on Thursday. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I famously I hate my birthday. This year, I have

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday all scheduled out. I'm doing lots of like

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<v Speaker 1>self care stuff. Wait, can you list the things that

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<v Speaker 1>you're doing for your birthday. Yeah, I'm getting a facial

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<v Speaker 1>and getting a massage. I'm gonna maybe go shopping and

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<v Speaker 1>then keeping it very low key. I'm going to the

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<v Speaker 1>movies maybe with some friends. Like, I'm not doing a

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<v Speaker 1>dinner because just all my girlies are out of town,

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<v Speaker 1>including fran and And also I got to have a

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<v Speaker 1>really lovely birthday moment in Fire Island, so I'm counting

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<v Speaker 1>that as my true birthday celebration. Oh my god, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I wanted. Wow. Okay, that's really good to hear. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>And I appreciate. I appreciate how thoughtful that was that

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<v Speaker 1>you that you planned that's literally the exact reason I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to have even just a moment. But like the

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<v Speaker 1>virgins need to know because okay, say what you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>about your birthday. You hate it, I get it. But

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<v Speaker 1>like Roses, the girl who will be like, I hate

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday, I'm gonna knock myself unconscious, I'm gonna get COVID.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be in Budapest for my birthday so I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have to speak to anybody. Remember that one, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>remember bud birthday of my life exactly, And she'll do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she'll be like, why is no one celebrating

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<v Speaker 1>my birthday? I'm so lone. I've never been more alone

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<v Speaker 1>in my entire life, and nobody loves me like that.

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<v Speaker 1>You are that girl, and you have to strike the

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<v Speaker 1>balance of not trying too hard, don't make too big

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<v Speaker 1>of a deal of it, but because she'll resent it,

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<v Speaker 1>but like make sure that she feels at least a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit loved. And then presence. Obviously, our our key

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<v Speaker 1>presents are very nice. Okay, wait, speaking of aging, are

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<v Speaker 1>you are you all caught up on what? Just kidding?

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<v Speaker 1>You're aging backwards? You're basically um Isabella Rossellini and Death

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<v Speaker 1>of Cooks. Stop it? Um, So, how are you all

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<v Speaker 1>cut up on Ultimate Girl's Trip? By chance, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>fully caught up, but I am further than I was

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<v Speaker 1>when we were watching on Fire Island. I really wish

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<v Speaker 1>you were caught up the Juicy Well wait, what happened

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<v Speaker 1>in the most recent episode, because maybe I did watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>I like was only help paying attention while I was

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<v Speaker 1>watching Brandy and Dorinda get into a really huge beef.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Dorinda is such a fucking flop and it's

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<v Speaker 1>picking fights with everyone for no reason. She's like so

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<v Speaker 1>so so destructive, beyond for a reason. Because she did

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<v Speaker 1>get into that fight with Vicky about Vicky not being vascinated.

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<v Speaker 1>That was then and that, and then at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the fight was like, oh whatever, like I still

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<v Speaker 1>love you. And it's like, Dorinda, that's actually the one

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<v Speaker 1>fighting that you should hold on to. Wait, actually that

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<v Speaker 1>is so t I didn't even realize that, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>so true. But she did pick another fight with Vicky

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<v Speaker 1>about nothing, and there's a point where it's like encroaching,

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<v Speaker 1>like physical, a physical fight, and Brandy was like, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna rap, I'm gonna sunk her up, and fay Adre goes,

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<v Speaker 1>you can't suck her up. She's a little old lady,

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<v Speaker 1>like like she she's so old, Like, you can't do

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<v Speaker 1>that to her, and Brandy goes, Drenda's only five years

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<v Speaker 1>older than me, and Phedre goes, oh for real, oh

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<v Speaker 1>for real? Oh my god, okay, untouchable. The m v P.

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<v Speaker 1>Phedra is so good to me, is incredible television. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>she says is gold. She looks incredible, every outfit, every wig,

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<v Speaker 1>like she's killing it. She needs to be back on

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<v Speaker 1>on Atlanta or like she needs to spin off or honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>she can like move to Beverly Hills and be on

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<v Speaker 1>Beverly Hills or something. Yeah, I just I'm so happy

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<v Speaker 1>to have her back on TV. To be honest, I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like Brandy is also doing a great job with

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<v Speaker 1>this season, but Phaedra is like so far and beyond

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<v Speaker 1>all the other girls, Like I'm play, I was really

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<v Speaker 1>excited for Jill Zarin, and I'm just kind of shocked

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<v Speaker 1>to find that of the housewives unanimously either hate her

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<v Speaker 1>or don't know who she is. She's a flop. She's

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<v Speaker 1>a flop, which I think would be a flop. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, but it was a legend. Yeah, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was perfectly encapsulated in that moment where she was entered

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<v Speaker 1>to recreate recreate her Scary Island entrance and everyone was like, crickets, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so good. Even though let's speak clear, Scary Island is

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<v Speaker 1>the best vacation that has ever happened on any housewives

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<v Speaker 1>probably probably. And I did scream go to sleep at

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<v Speaker 1>France at one point while we were on vacation. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>I will say, oh, I think I did while you

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<v Speaker 1>were in your K hole. I can't talk about the khole.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I can only maybe could talk about the khole. Okay, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>okay with the virgin is the only thing the virgins

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<v Speaker 1>needs to know. And I don't want to hear any

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<v Speaker 1>any details of the khole because I blacked out and

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<v Speaker 1>I just really know. I only want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the circumstances leading up to it because I want to

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrate what a friend I am. Okay, Moments after we

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<v Speaker 1>got off of our podcast recording last week, we decided

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<v Speaker 1>to do ketamine. I've only ever done bumps of ketamine

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<v Speaker 1>or the nasal spray that you can buy over the

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<v Speaker 1>counter in Mexico. I had never done lines. I had,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, poured some ketamine out on a cutting board,

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<v Speaker 1>um grounded up because it was still pretty rocky, and then,

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<v Speaker 1>as one does, from the little pilot made, I cut

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<v Speaker 1>three lines for the two of us and our friend Justin,

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<v Speaker 1>and then scooched the rest that was for future, for

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<v Speaker 1>future lines to the side. Justin and I each did

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<v Speaker 1>our lines, and I left one for Fran and told

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<v Speaker 1>them to come over and do it. But instead Frand

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<v Speaker 1>did the rest the rest of the ketamine because it

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<v Speaker 1>was in a line shape and it was not. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't it was no no no no no no no

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<v Speaker 1>no no, you will not rewrite history. It was in

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<v Speaker 1>a line shape. That's not your fault. That's not your fault.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still blaming myself because I scooched. I was using

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<v Speaker 1>a car scoch it over. I'm saying, none of this

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<v Speaker 1>is all my fault, and none of this is on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have to be clear. But I was in a line.

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<v Speaker 1>It was, and I think the fact that the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that I was able to snort it all with a

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<v Speaker 1>dollar bill is proof that it was in a line shape.

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<v Speaker 1>Not at all, because immediately after this happened and we

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<v Speaker 1>realized what happened, I said, I'm not letting my sister

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<v Speaker 1>do this alone. And I and I took the dollar

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<v Speaker 1>bill from the hand and snorted everything else that was

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<v Speaker 1>on that cutting board. You literally said, because I said,

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<v Speaker 1>I am a good friend, this is my sister. I

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<v Speaker 1>am not letting her go on this journey alone. You

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<v Speaker 1>did like gay drugs suicide. Like you were just like,

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<v Speaker 1>we're in this together, and but we were not. We

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<v Speaker 1>were not because you fell out. Apple. I had an

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<v Speaker 1>amazing afternoon. I was an amazing but then I had

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<v Speaker 1>a rough night because I took a nap before dinner

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<v Speaker 1>and when I woke up, I was in a bad way.

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<v Speaker 1>We we had to eat dinner with sunglasses on. Um

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<v Speaker 1>we did. We did sunglasses on inside. Okay. So something

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<v Speaker 1>that put me into an emotional ca hole was the

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<v Speaker 1>most recent episode of Miss Marvel. Did you did you

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<v Speaker 1>watch the Partition episode? My god, fran the way I

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<v Speaker 1>cried throughout the entire thing. Oh my god, that was

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<v Speaker 1>the most moved I've ever been by anything Marvel has made.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. I was talking to our friend law La

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday about Marvel and the way that I'm in kind

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<v Speaker 1>of Marvel fatigue because everything is just so the same.

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<v Speaker 1>There is this house style of Marvel where it's like

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<v Speaker 1>action action, action, wink wink wink, joke, joke, joke, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's just always and some things are more of that,

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<v Speaker 1>some things are less of that, but everything is that's

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<v Speaker 1>the baseline. Like I would say, like something like the

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<v Speaker 1>New Thor movie, which I still haven't seen, like is

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<v Speaker 1>the most that, something like Multiverse of Madness is the

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<v Speaker 1>least that, but it's all still has something that does that,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's making me just really I'm kind of over it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think Marvel is low key and its flop era,

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<v Speaker 1>except except for Miss Miss Marvel, which somehow like is

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<v Speaker 1>still doing that house style thing, but is telling such

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting, moving story that truly is deeply investigating the

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<v Speaker 1>lived experience of someone who is not, you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>white man in the Marvel universe and like doing it

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<v Speaker 1>so well, and like this episode particularly it was so

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<v Speaker 1>moving where Kamala like goes back into the past and

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<v Speaker 1>you find out she is the person who saved her grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>Like me, I was sobbing, sobbing, was it was so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, like the thing that's so if someone told

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<v Speaker 1>me that Miss Marvel was not created by Marvel, like

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<v Speaker 1>I would believe it because I actually feel like it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't have a lot of like the canned things we

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<v Speaker 1>see in a Marvel series, and it's reminding me of

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<v Speaker 1>one Division and how unrecognizable it's tropes are sometimes. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and I love that um Kamala is just ordinary, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's extraordinary in her charisma, but like she is just

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<v Speaker 1>really like she's not that good at fighting, like she's

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to figure herself out as a teen, like

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<v Speaker 1>she's a fan and like I think that's so new

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<v Speaker 1>and so fresh, and like the thing about I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, we have to say our friend Fati

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<v Speaker 1>Oscar wrote this episode, this Partition episode, and I never

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<v Speaker 1>in a million years I thought that Marvel and entity

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<v Speaker 1>that like Marvel would be center ring a story about

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<v Speaker 1>partition like that's insane, which is not something that I

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<v Speaker 1>knew about. I'm so grateful to this piece of media

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<v Speaker 1>for telling this story that, like I that I in

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<v Speaker 1>the like American school system was never taught and using

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<v Speaker 1>it as a way to talk about the identity of

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<v Speaker 1>this girl and her family, and like gets still about

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<v Speaker 1>superpowers and stuff. But it's just like was really beautiful

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<v Speaker 1>and sad um and touching, and I want to, i mean,

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<v Speaker 1>wade into a murky critique of like Marvel in general,

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<v Speaker 1>because like, when I was watching the Partition episode, I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about how Marvel, in the comics and also

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<v Speaker 1>in the movies and series are like obsessed with Nazis

0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.960
<v Speaker 1>and like and like say and like um Auschwitz and

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of uh and and that's obviously those are

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<v Speaker 1>stories that need to be told, but the way that

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<v Speaker 1>Marvel tells stories about genocide, it's very flat. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis are bad and we are good, and the superheroes

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<v Speaker 1>are going to kill them and that's the end of

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<v Speaker 1>like the series. And like, I was so worried that

0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.080
<v Speaker 1>there would be a flattening of something that is so

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<v Speaker 1>such a rich and important and resonant and painful history

0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.600
<v Speaker 1>that was treated with such care and delicacy, and it

0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:25.560
<v Speaker 1>was it's such a small story and it's focusing on

0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:29.440
<v Speaker 1>truly just love and oh my god, I'm getting emotional

0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:33.080
<v Speaker 1>just talking about it. The scene at the end, well

0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.640
<v Speaker 1>not the end, but the scene of just Kamala and

0:14:35.680 --> 0:14:39.640
<v Speaker 1>her mother and her grandmother. After everything has happened, I

0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:42.920
<v Speaker 1>was so happy that the big fight was not the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the episode, that like you really understood that

0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.440
<v Speaker 1>the most important thing to come out of that was

0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:53.000
<v Speaker 1>these three generations of women in this family connecting and

0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:55.800
<v Speaker 1>that that is ultimately what this show is really about.

0:14:56.440 --> 0:14:58.520
<v Speaker 1>You know, this is the penultimate episodes. We still have

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<v Speaker 1>one more. They should be way episodes, by the way, Like,

0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:05.200
<v Speaker 1>why are they wondering I'm wondering if it will fall

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<v Speaker 1>into the same trap that One Division did, where I

0:15:08.960 --> 0:15:11.480
<v Speaker 1>think the majority of One Division was so great and

0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:16.520
<v Speaker 1>then the last episode they were forced to menders again. Yeah,

0:15:16.560 --> 0:15:19.560
<v Speaker 1>they were forced to you know, funnel the show back

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<v Speaker 1>into the main Marvel thing and have like a big

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<v Speaker 1>battle and like everything just like became very flattened into

0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.440
<v Speaker 1>the you know what what we keep seeing again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what happens in the finale. But I'm

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<v Speaker 1>grateful for this. It's a it's a beautiful reprieve. Okay,

0:15:36.080 --> 0:15:38.640
<v Speaker 1>we both finished Stranger things. I think, like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to give just like a quick thoughts on the finale? Um, Well,

0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.520
<v Speaker 1>my my most resonant thought is that I thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was the series finale, and so towards the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the last episode, I was like, there's no way they're

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<v Speaker 1>wrapping this up in the next fifteen minutes, Like what

0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.840
<v Speaker 1>the fuck is going on? Like the last thirty minutes

0:16:01.880 --> 0:16:04.560
<v Speaker 1>were very end of the movie, and I thought, honestly

0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:08.720
<v Speaker 1>lazy writing. I thought that a lot of the wrap

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<v Speaker 1>the emotional wrap ups were not very compelling. I was

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<v Speaker 1>extremely bored in the last thirty minutes after the monsters

0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.440
<v Speaker 1>killed or whatever, after Vecna is vanquished, which was anticlimactic

0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.880
<v Speaker 1>by the way, totally. I also don't think it's interesting

0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:29.680
<v Speaker 1>that he's the big bad. I thought he should have been,

0:16:30.440 --> 0:16:33.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, the bad guy of this season, and that

0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:36.280
<v Speaker 1>there should have been a final final boss for the

0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:39.720
<v Speaker 1>last season. I like, I think like the whole show

0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:43.680
<v Speaker 1>coming down to a show off between Eleven and Vechna,

0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and is like, I get what they're going for. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like kind of interesting, but I actually I'm going back.

0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.400
<v Speaker 1>I actually do think Vecna makes sense as the big bad.

0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.880
<v Speaker 1>And I also think it's like, yeah, they've destroyed his

0:16:58.000 --> 0:17:00.840
<v Speaker 1>corporeal form allah Volden more, and so now they have

0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.840
<v Speaker 1>to destroy his like spiritual form or whatever. So here's

0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 1>where theory comes in which I saw on TikTok. Actually

0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:12.359
<v Speaker 1>I think could really be real, which is that since

0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:16.520
<v Speaker 1>Max is like soul has been eaten by Vecna and

0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:20.040
<v Speaker 1>she's just like a comatose vessel, people are positing that

0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Vecna will possess Max in the final season. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I think would be I think it. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>makes a lot of sense. It's very like. It makes

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<v Speaker 1>sense a lot to me with the Duffer brothers, and

0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:36.439
<v Speaker 1>they really have been hinging so much on the Max

0:17:36.760 --> 0:17:42.040
<v Speaker 1>Eleven friendship that if in the final season, like Eleven

0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.440
<v Speaker 1>had to face off with the big bad possessing her

0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:49.920
<v Speaker 1>best friend, that would be really interesting and I think

0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:53.320
<v Speaker 1>emotionally satisfying. And I think Sadie Sink is a really

0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 1>great actress and she could do really well playing that villain.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I I loved it. It um just

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<v Speaker 1>not the last thirty minutes. It was a fun ride.

0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I had a good time, Okay, Rose. We have to

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<v Speaker 1>end on the breaking news at the time of this record,

0:18:10.320 --> 0:18:14.880
<v Speaker 1>which is that Beanie has decided to leave Funny Girl early,

0:18:15.680 --> 0:18:20.240
<v Speaker 1>following the rumors that Leah Michelle is replacing her. Well,

0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.359
<v Speaker 1>let's be clear the actual breaking news is the confirmation

0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:28.120
<v Speaker 1>that Leam Michelle is replacing announcing. Beany announced yesterday Sunday

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.040
<v Speaker 1>that she was leaving, and then Funny Girl said they

0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:34.879
<v Speaker 1>would be announcing her replacement the next day, and surprise, surprise,

0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:37.960
<v Speaker 1>it's Liam Michelle, of course, which is like, I think

0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:40.399
<v Speaker 1>it's crazy that they replaced Jane Lynch though, could you

0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:44.960
<v Speaker 1>imagine Leah Michelle and Jane Lynch in Funny World together. Well,

0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Jane Lynch was supposed to be in the show until

0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.680
<v Speaker 1>like September, and I'm sure as soon as they confirmed

0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:57.160
<v Speaker 1>Leah James out of here. Um. I did get some

0:18:57.520 --> 0:19:03.840
<v Speaker 1>secondhand tea about Beanies exit, which is that she has

0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.479
<v Speaker 1>been trying to get out of the show since the

0:19:07.520 --> 0:19:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Tony nominations came out and she wasn't nominated. Um, And

0:19:12.640 --> 0:19:15.800
<v Speaker 1>so that's why this has all been fast tracked, which

0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.560
<v Speaker 1>makes sense, you know, Like, I'm sure it's been extremely

0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:23.680
<v Speaker 1>overwhelming for her to get all this bad press, to

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.000
<v Speaker 1>be in this thing that is like a flop in

0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:30.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways, and you know, someone lied to

0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.439
<v Speaker 1>her several times, someone but doing this show was a

0:19:34.440 --> 0:19:37.440
<v Speaker 1>good idea. It's just crazy because she's so wickedly talented

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:45.040
<v Speaker 1>and like wickedly talented and everything that's talented. Let's be clear,

0:19:45.480 --> 0:19:51.640
<v Speaker 1>she has been really good in supporting roles in other things.

0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:57.440
<v Speaker 1>A lead role, but she had I didn't, I didn't

0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.520
<v Speaker 1>watch it was so she was amazing in it, and

0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:02.160
<v Speaker 1>books aren't she had, you know, someone to play off

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:06.919
<v Speaker 1>in Ladybird? You know, she has a supporting role that

0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:10.640
<v Speaker 1>she really shines in this clearly like she was not

0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:14.359
<v Speaker 1>vocally prepared to sing the show and probably like is

0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.520
<v Speaker 1>not at the point in her career where she's ready

0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:21.520
<v Speaker 1>to take on this kind of role, and she really

0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.679
<v Speaker 1>was set up for failure by everyone involved. I just

0:20:25.960 --> 0:20:28.840
<v Speaker 1>Beanie is so great, Like I really believed she could

0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:31.359
<v Speaker 1>do it, but none of us had heard her sing before.

0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:34.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's just unfortunately sing a little bit in Lady Bird,

0:20:34.760 --> 0:20:36.320
<v Speaker 1>and it was like, oh, she has a nice voice,

0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:41.720
<v Speaker 1>but she's you know, playing a role that Barbara streisand played.

0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.000
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's big shoes to fill. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>also just really funny in a kind of sick way

0:20:50.119 --> 0:20:55.760
<v Speaker 1>to look at her and her good Judy ben Platt

0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 1>and see the ways in which these nepotism babies have

0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:04.480
<v Speaker 1>had their parents like buy them these vanity projects that

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.159
<v Speaker 1>they could not support, could not do, could not cut it.

0:21:09.720 --> 0:21:12.600
<v Speaker 1>That's that's kind of rotten. But like if this is

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:15.639
<v Speaker 1>a privileged thing, like I hope somebody learns their lesson,

0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:18.639
<v Speaker 1>because girly, you've got a clock the hours before you

0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:21.240
<v Speaker 1>take on Funny Girl. But I'm so rooting for Beanie

0:21:21.240 --> 0:21:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and I'm so excited to see what she does next.

0:21:23.240 --> 0:21:25.760
<v Speaker 1>So long, I think she should stick to film, like,

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<v Speaker 1>go back to being a movie star. She's amazing as

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:30.639
<v Speaker 1>in movies she's amazing, and TV too, she's amazing. She's

0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:33.640
<v Speaker 1>an amazing actress. She just doesn't need to sing. And

0:21:33.920 --> 0:21:37.720
<v Speaker 1>I do want to see Leah and Funny Girl too,

0:21:37.840 --> 0:21:41.280
<v Speaker 1>So I don't think if anyone out there is listening

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<v Speaker 1>and wants to get us tickets actually well after we've

0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.240
<v Speaker 1>insulted me, tied, Yeah, but we would. We would praise

0:21:49.400 --> 0:21:54.399
<v Speaker 1>Leah because she's going to be amazing. I don't. I

0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:56.320
<v Speaker 1>think she's going to be great. I think that she

0:21:56.680 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 1>makes out of anybody you know casting right now. I

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:04.320
<v Speaker 1>think she makes a ton of sense. But it's just

0:22:04.400 --> 0:22:07.760
<v Speaker 1>like just nobody can do Barbara and I I don't

0:22:07.800 --> 0:22:11.720
<v Speaker 1>really as much as Barbara as she is, she's not

0:22:11.760 --> 0:22:16.600
<v Speaker 1>a good actress. Sorry, I think she is a good actress. No, no, no, no, no, yeah,

0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:20.600
<v Speaker 1>I think she is. I saw so many times. I

0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.360
<v Speaker 1>think she's really great. She has an amazing voice. We've

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:28.000
<v Speaker 1>already seen her do like several numbers from Funny Girl

0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:31.720
<v Speaker 1>on Glee. And I also just think it's so crazy

0:22:31.760 --> 0:22:49.000
<v Speaker 1>that the meme came true. We have to talk about

0:22:49.040 --> 0:22:51.560
<v Speaker 1>your Fire Island experience. Oh my god, we have to

0:22:51.560 --> 0:22:54.600
<v Speaker 1>talk about now. I am a changed man. I've come.

0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:56.199
<v Speaker 1>I went to boy and I came back a man.

0:22:57.480 --> 0:23:00.320
<v Speaker 1>So you had while you were there? I did, I did,

0:23:00.400 --> 0:23:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I did. I said the whole I read exactly from

0:23:04.240 --> 0:23:08.280
<v Speaker 1>the tour as the first time Fire Island islander. What

0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:11.080
<v Speaker 1>were your key takeaways? What did you think? Well before

0:23:11.119 --> 0:23:16.399
<v Speaker 1>I went, Um, Shane O'Neill, you know Shane, I had

0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:19.080
<v Speaker 1>spoken to him about it and he said something like,

0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:22.480
<v Speaker 1>on Far Island, your friends are real. The people you

0:23:22.520 --> 0:23:24.840
<v Speaker 1>want to have sex with who want to have sex

0:23:24.880 --> 0:23:27.880
<v Speaker 1>with you are real. Everything else is just a mirage.

0:23:28.480 --> 0:23:31.320
<v Speaker 1>That is so true. That's the best advice you could get.

0:23:31.480 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>It really was, It really was. So I really carried

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:36.080
<v Speaker 1>that with me, Um, and it was crazy because we

0:23:36.119 --> 0:23:38.840
<v Speaker 1>went exactly when the Fire Island movie came out, which

0:23:38.960 --> 0:23:44.240
<v Speaker 1>was on purpose the weekend. The cast was there and

0:23:44.280 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 1>we didn't even We really literally did not know. We

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 1>were like I think Joel and Bowen are around, because

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.040
<v Speaker 1>I was with a bunch of comics, and then all

0:23:52.040 --> 0:23:54.720
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden it became that like we were the

0:23:54.880 --> 0:23:57.960
<v Speaker 1>v I p s at the Far Island, the least

0:23:58.000 --> 0:24:02.080
<v Speaker 1>party on Fire Island. InCred I had an amazing time.

0:24:02.560 --> 0:24:04.240
<v Speaker 1>I have to be honest, I had an amazing time.

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:08.560
<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what to expect. I have been classically

0:24:08.880 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 1>um prejudiced against thisis gay men. Yeah, that that was

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 1>something I had taken on and so I was, um,

0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:21.879
<v Speaker 1>I was shocked to find that I really fit in

0:24:21.920 --> 0:24:25.400
<v Speaker 1>with them. Wow, I love that. I mean, honestly, it's

0:24:25.760 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 1>I feel like there's a tide change among like fire.

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a tide change that could potentially happen

0:24:32.480 --> 0:24:34.960
<v Speaker 1>for Fire Island because I do think the movie will

0:24:35.200 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 1>create a some somewhat new demo. I know, they were

0:24:38.040 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 1>all of fifteen nation people there and I was like,

0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 1>I can tell this is a lot of Asians. Yeah,

0:24:42.800 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>I also do think I mean, like you clearly are

0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 1>feeling embodied in some type of way. You know, like

0:24:50.600 --> 0:24:52.720
<v Speaker 1>I follow you, I follow you on Twitter. I know

0:24:52.800 --> 0:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>that you're like at a certain point in your gender journey,

0:24:55.000 --> 0:24:58.720
<v Speaker 1>and like I do think Fire Island likes extremes and

0:24:58.880 --> 0:25:01.720
<v Speaker 1>like and like once they can kind of like quantify

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:06.200
<v Speaker 1>you or qualify you, like that is an easier space

0:25:06.240 --> 0:25:11.080
<v Speaker 1>to access. I went in literally being like, Okay, my

0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:13.560
<v Speaker 1>strategy is just going to be that I'm going to

0:25:13.680 --> 0:25:16.000
<v Speaker 1>act like it's fine that I'm here and that everything

0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:17.919
<v Speaker 1>is normal, and I'm going to do everything just like

0:25:17.960 --> 0:25:20.639
<v Speaker 1>everybody else does. So, like we're going to the underwear party,

0:25:20.720 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to be there in my underwear, like you know,

0:25:23.960 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 1>I haven't had top surgery, I whatever. So I was like,

0:25:26.640 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 1>but I was like, we're just gonna act like this

0:25:28.560 --> 0:25:31.760
<v Speaker 1>is fine. Um, and it kind of, yeah, it kind

0:25:31.760 --> 0:25:34.600
<v Speaker 1>of turned out to be fine. That was a strategy.

0:25:34.880 --> 0:25:37.080
<v Speaker 1>I was also going to say, Fire Island is a

0:25:37.119 --> 0:25:39.560
<v Speaker 1>great place to be when you I'm sorry to bring

0:25:39.640 --> 0:25:44.320
<v Speaker 1>this up when you um have been bestowed the testosterone

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 1>induced curse of being attracted to men. Absolutely No, it

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:52.160
<v Speaker 1>absolutely was, and I um, okay, I want to say

0:25:52.160 --> 0:25:55.880
<v Speaker 1>that the episode that I listened to to prepare myself

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:00.000
<v Speaker 1>for this of like a virgin was the honey Pluton up?

0:26:00.119 --> 0:26:02.880
<v Speaker 1>So about Are You the One? Truly one of our

0:26:02.880 --> 0:26:05.679
<v Speaker 1>best episodes. It was so good. Um it was so funny.

0:26:05.720 --> 0:26:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm definitely much more NPR sort of

0:26:08.320 --> 0:26:14.800
<v Speaker 1>telling than this, But that's okay, thank you, um um testosterone,

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.200
<v Speaker 1>but um no, just kidding. I sounded like this before too.

0:26:17.200 --> 0:26:19.639
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, you guys were talking about Kai and the

0:26:19.680 --> 0:26:27.159
<v Speaker 1>way that everybody kind of jumped on Kong. Okay. I

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.200
<v Speaker 1>want to say that when I watched Are You the One,

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.840
<v Speaker 1>and I saw specifically this thing where Kai walked into

0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.679
<v Speaker 1>the house and everybody suddenly wanted to funk him, I

0:26:33.720 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, this is about white supremacy, and especially

0:26:36.520 --> 0:26:38.520
<v Speaker 1>if you look at what happened with Kai versus what

0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 1>happened with Bassett. I was like, this is about white

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>masculinity versus black femininity and how one is valued and

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 1>one is reviled, specifically sexually and romantically. And I was

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.199
<v Speaker 1>really pissed. I was like, this guy like Kai, to me,

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>he's not that hot in the face or body or

0:26:56.640 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>style or personality. Okay, he's not that Okay, I agree,

0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I feel the same way. I disagree. I thought he

0:27:03.600 --> 0:27:06.000
<v Speaker 1>was immediately hot. I immediately found him hot on for us.

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>So that is for you, that's for you to interrogate

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:12.640
<v Speaker 1>about yourselves. Yes, that's exactly. That's a question for me. Yes,

0:27:13.480 --> 0:27:15.719
<v Speaker 1>but so I and you know, I went to Smith College,

0:27:15.760 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 1>So for me, I don't this is not like if

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:26.639
<v Speaker 1>you've never seen this before, then that's on you. There's

0:27:26.640 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 1>ten million Kai Are you kidding me? Unfortunately? I mean,

0:27:32.280 --> 0:27:36.480
<v Speaker 1>Kai is like the most chosen name, but also isn't

0:27:36.560 --> 0:27:39.760
<v Speaker 1>It's right up there with like Persephonie and per seven.

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 1>I love that. I love the trans women shoes like

0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 1>long names, yeah, like Celestine. Yeah, it's like Greek mythology stars, um,

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare names. And then trans guys are like I'm brick

0:27:55.200 --> 0:28:00.240
<v Speaker 1>right or like j J J I J I home.

0:28:00.240 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 1>And so I was like watching are you the one?

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:07.800
<v Speaker 1>Getting like angry, getting jealous and really being like I mean,

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:11.080
<v Speaker 1>obviously I was intensely projecting myself, but I was like,

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:14.840
<v Speaker 1>this was me. This would never happen in this way.

0:28:14.920 --> 0:28:17.200
<v Speaker 1>And then I got to Fire Island, which was like

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>single sex, Are you the One? And I was the

0:28:21.560 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>Kai and I was like, actually, all these people want

0:28:25.480 --> 0:28:30.560
<v Speaker 1>to have sex with me? Yes, you were. I was

0:28:30.640 --> 0:28:33.199
<v Speaker 1>the one. I was literally the one. I'm pretty sure

0:28:33.240 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 1>I was the only transmasculine person. They were the entire

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>weekend that I saw. But did you have a transformative

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.200
<v Speaker 1>justice circle in a hot tub? Is the question? I

0:28:40.680 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 1>accountable for your behavior? I UM? I like to think

0:28:44.000 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 1>that I was acting completely above board the entire time,

0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:49.360
<v Speaker 1>because no one wants to be the toxic trans mask.

0:28:49.520 --> 0:28:52.480
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't really on Fire Island. There wasn't an opportunity

0:28:52.560 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>for me to scream at a woman. Love that. We're

0:29:00.480 --> 0:29:04.080
<v Speaker 1>about to change that this weekend. I can't be misogynist.

0:29:04.200 --> 0:29:06.960
<v Speaker 1>If there are women, I will be the woman screaming,

0:29:08.080 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>and that is your right, that is your right. I'm

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>occupying the space. I'm clearing the space. Um. Speaking of screaming,

0:29:15.400 --> 0:29:18.120
<v Speaker 1>we did. We did bring you here for a reason,

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 1>which is you virgins listening. You have no idea how

0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 1>excited I was when Jess told me at the topic

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to talk about. It is something I have

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:34.200
<v Speaker 1>been trying to bully Fran into discussing since this podcast started.

0:29:34.320 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>And that is du du du Phantom of the Opera,

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:48.360
<v Speaker 1>specifically the two thousand four Joel Schumacher film starring Emmy Rossum,

0:29:48.440 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 1>Gerard Butler, Patrick Wilson, and most importantly, Mini Driver. I

0:29:52.600 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>had no idea it's a queer movie. It is. It's

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 1>queer in which we I mean, it's bad, but we love. Yeah, absolutely,

0:30:02.640 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it's awful. It's I've definitely seen it once and I

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>feel like when I walked, when I like walked out

0:30:08.760 --> 0:30:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of the movie, I remember being like, yeah, I felt

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:13.680
<v Speaker 1>like the person that directed that claims to have had

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.600
<v Speaker 1>sex with people. Yeah, well, definitely the movie I watched.

0:30:16.680 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>You know, we do this thing often where we start

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.600
<v Speaker 1>with the negative things about something. Yeah, right, um, so

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:24.239
<v Speaker 1>I guess we'll get it out of the way. This

0:30:24.280 --> 0:30:27.920
<v Speaker 1>movie is bad. I think it's mostly bad because Andrew

0:30:27.960 --> 0:30:33.160
<v Speaker 1>lid Weber did hand pick Joel Schumacher to make the movie,

0:30:32.480 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>and thus like he's just like far too involved in it,

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and it ends up being a very literal adaptation of

0:30:40.640 --> 0:30:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the Broadway musical and I think suffers for that. Well,

0:30:44.160 --> 0:30:47.680
<v Speaker 1>it's also very in that early to mid two thousand's,

0:30:47.800 --> 0:30:51.120
<v Speaker 1>like we're doing a dark, gritty, realistic like this is

0:30:51.160 --> 0:30:54.600
<v Speaker 1>like if Phantom of the opera really happens, right, which

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:57.720
<v Speaker 1>like it is based on truevans. No, it's not. Yes,

0:30:57.760 --> 0:31:00.280
<v Speaker 1>the Phantom of the Opera is based on it. No,

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.320
<v Speaker 1>it's I mean it's based on a novel. Yeah, but

0:31:03.360 --> 0:31:05.520
<v Speaker 1>the novel is based on something that actually happened in

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:08.680
<v Speaker 1>the Parisian Opera in the eighteen hundreds. Are you sure? Yes,

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm looking up right now, y looking up. The novel

0:31:12.880 --> 0:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Le Fantom del Opera was partly inspired by historical events

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.800
<v Speaker 1>at the Paris Opera during the nineteenth century and buy

0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.640
<v Speaker 1>an apocryphal tale concerning the use of a former ballet

0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:27.080
<v Speaker 1>pupils skeleton. Yes, and there was an actual chandelier that

0:31:27.160 --> 0:31:31.960
<v Speaker 1>killed someone. So you doubted me, And it turns out

0:31:32.040 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>I I could school you on. You know what you

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 1>believed in yourself, and I believe in myself. I don't

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:42.200
<v Speaker 1>think there was a literal phantom, but I think there was. Oh,

0:31:42.240 --> 0:31:45.640
<v Speaker 1>you think I will preface I do think I should

0:31:45.680 --> 0:31:48.440
<v Speaker 1>start this conversation by saying, Phantom of the Opera is

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 1>my favorite musical. Yeah, it's my favorite musical too. It

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:55.880
<v Speaker 1>is the only musical you've seen. Though, I am like

0:31:55.960 --> 0:31:58.840
<v Speaker 1>a fake gay in that I'm like I love musical.

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 1>It's Phantom of the Opera and Rent, not Rent. Oh

0:32:02.200 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 1>my god, the day that we have to finally do

0:32:04.560 --> 0:32:07.480
<v Speaker 1>a Rent episode will be the day I killed myself. Listen.

0:32:07.600 --> 0:32:09.720
<v Speaker 1>I was fourteen at one point, and I don't think

0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't think that I should be punished for the

0:32:13.520 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>We're not we're not calling you in. We're not we're

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:17.960
<v Speaker 1>not holding you accountable for that. But Rent was revelatory

0:32:18.000 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 1>at the age of fourteen. That's so Phantom for me

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 1>is was not the first musical I saw, but the

0:32:25.880 --> 0:32:28.800
<v Speaker 1>first musical I saw where I was like, Oh, this

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:32.400
<v Speaker 1>is what musicals can be. Like the spectacle of it.

0:32:32.480 --> 0:32:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when the chandelier rises over the audience, it

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 1>is the gag of all gags. That's Chekov's gun. Yeah,

0:32:43.680 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 1>and it happens right at the beginning of the plate

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:48.360
<v Speaker 1>and with the overture. Like so, actually, the last time

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>we're currently in New York at the I Heart Studio recording.

0:32:51.920 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>The last time I was here was in October and

0:32:55.440 --> 0:32:58.320
<v Speaker 1>that night I went to see Phantom of the Opera

0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.880
<v Speaker 1>right after it had reopened, like post covid um, and

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 1>hearing that overture being played, it just was like Broadways back.

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.720
<v Speaker 1>I love that that's what you returned to, ushering you

0:33:14.840 --> 0:33:16.840
<v Speaker 1>back into real life. Well, it was like one of

0:33:16.880 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 1>the only things that there were tickets to. Um, but

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 1>I was so happy to see it, and also like

0:33:22.800 --> 0:33:25.560
<v Speaker 1>my seats were in the nosebleeds and like you can't

0:33:25.560 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>have a bad seat for that show because it is

0:33:28.840 --> 0:33:30.960
<v Speaker 1>such a spectacle. It's kind of like going on a

0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 1>ride at Disney. You can always see a Candele opera.

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:35.800
<v Speaker 1>No matter where you're sitting, you can see it. What

0:33:35.880 --> 0:33:41.080
<v Speaker 1>was your first experience with Phantom? Oh my god. Um,

0:33:41.120 --> 0:33:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I want to say that I've seen Phantom on tour

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>up to five times. Maybe my family used to love

0:33:49.880 --> 0:33:53.600
<v Speaker 1>to see musicals downtown. That's like my family seeing the

0:33:53.600 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 1>Blue Man Group five. Yes, exactly that the opera was

0:33:57.440 --> 0:34:02.400
<v Speaker 1>our Blue Man grow and there are LinkedIn, so you know,

0:34:02.440 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 1>the Blue Men and the Phantom have. I distinctly remember

0:34:07.280 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>my mom and my auntie going to see it when

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:11.600
<v Speaker 1>I was like five, and like I didn't go because

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:13.600
<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, and then them coming back and

0:34:13.640 --> 0:34:17.160
<v Speaker 1>telling me about it and going like someday when you're older,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.640
<v Speaker 1>will take you. So Phantom of the Opera was sort

0:34:19.680 --> 0:34:23.840
<v Speaker 1>of this right of passage for me, I want to say, Okay,

0:34:24.239 --> 0:34:27.839
<v Speaker 1>huge confession. The Phantom of the Opera two thousand four

0:34:27.960 --> 0:34:34.799
<v Speaker 1>movie is definitely one of my roots. Okay made you

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:38.600
<v Speaker 1>it was a root of I want to say lesbian

0:34:38.600 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>is um, but I think what I really mean is

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:47.480
<v Speaker 1>a sort of colonized desire about an innocent white womanhood. Specifically,

0:34:48.320 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>so Emy Ross really did it for you. I mean

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:52.920
<v Speaker 1>Rowsom really did it for me. And she was only seventeen.

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:55.120
<v Speaker 1>I know it's sucked up. It's sucked up. And and

0:34:55.160 --> 0:34:58.759
<v Speaker 1>Gerard was like thirty seven and is so miscast. No,

0:34:59.280 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 1>he's not know he was so bad. And you know

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:05.400
<v Speaker 1>what was supposed to be Antonio Bandera, whoa my god.

0:35:05.760 --> 0:35:08.240
<v Speaker 1>And they tried to make Gerard Butler look like Antonio

0:35:08.280 --> 0:35:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Bandera and and if you watch, there's video of Antonio

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 1>banderis performing music from Phantom of the Opera and it's

0:35:16.040 --> 0:35:20.520
<v Speaker 1>so incredible. He sounds amazing. And for some reason they

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:24.520
<v Speaker 1>went with Gerard Butler, who can't sing. No, if there's

0:35:24.560 --> 0:35:26.719
<v Speaker 1>one thing we learned from the Shrek franchise, it's that

0:35:27.320 --> 0:35:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Mandaris can say. And they didn't even make him ugly

0:35:29.920 --> 0:35:33.640
<v Speaker 1>like when he does his reveal of his hideous deformity.

0:35:33.840 --> 0:35:36.279
<v Speaker 1>It's not that bad. And he's like, you know, he

0:35:36.320 --> 0:35:40.879
<v Speaker 1>got a sunburn. It was truly truly anticlimactic. Yeah, he's

0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:44.839
<v Speaker 1>supposed to be horrifically disfigured, Like we're supposed to see

0:35:44.920 --> 0:35:48.040
<v Speaker 1>his brain from Yeah, he's supposed to look like a

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.120
<v Speaker 1>sunken you can see his pulsing brain. Yea. For me,

0:35:51.160 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the I feel like the phantom is nonminary.

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:56.480
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the phantom gives nonminary vibe. Well, I

0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:59.359
<v Speaker 1>think the phantom is an in cell. Yes, well they

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:02.080
<v Speaker 1>can be that. They could be an a nonminary in cell.

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:05.759
<v Speaker 1>And the phantom is definitely black pilled, and like that's

0:36:05.760 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 1>why he kidnaps christ the kind of like makes a

0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:11.759
<v Speaker 1>doll of her now and tells her that he's her

0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:15.440
<v Speaker 1>father as a method of seducing. Well, it's I mean,

0:36:15.600 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>you think about the mechanics of it. So Christine is

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 1>this orphan girl who's in the ballet core at this

0:36:22.520 --> 0:36:28.439
<v Speaker 1>Parisian opera and someone starts teaching her music at night,

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.680
<v Speaker 1>and she thinks it's the ghost of her dead father,

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:34.879
<v Speaker 1>and then she finds out it's actually this creepy guy

0:36:35.000 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 1>wearing a mask who sitting in the rafters of the

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:40.800
<v Speaker 1>opera on his red and board, Yeah, who is an angel?

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:45.520
<v Speaker 1>And she's like, yeah, that makes sense. There's a lot

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:49.960
<v Speaker 1>of freud, which makes sense. Okay, if the Fantom of

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.439
<v Speaker 1>the Opera is non binary but also an in cell.

0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>And the whole thing about in cells is that they

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>hate women. Does the does the Fantom of the opera

0:36:58.040 --> 0:37:01.759
<v Speaker 1>hate half of themselves? Probably? Well, it's like, well with

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.040
<v Speaker 1>in cells, it's like they hate women as a byproduct. Well,

0:37:05.280 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>they hate women, but they hate society and they believe

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.040
<v Speaker 1>because they can't get laid, they believe that that society

0:37:12.040 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 1>functions in a way in which they will never have

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:17.000
<v Speaker 1>any happiness. They will and most of that sex sex

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>which you know, t and so because of that, you know,

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:24.160
<v Speaker 1>if they're black pills, they have chosen to totally like

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>believe that and like rejects society. And that's what the

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Phantom has done. He lives at a cave under the opera.

0:37:29.280 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>I think the Phantom has had sex with Madame Jerry. Though, okay,

0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a Madame Jerry stand podcast. Let's say that

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:44.880
<v Speaker 1>I think Meg is Madame Jerry and the Phantom's kid,

0:37:45.200 --> 0:37:48.399
<v Speaker 1>who's Meg's dad. Okay, well the kiss, so let me

0:37:48.640 --> 0:37:53.480
<v Speaker 1>let me unfortunately break that assumption for you. So we

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:56.880
<v Speaker 1>have we do need to speak briefly of Love Never Dies,

0:37:57.760 --> 0:38:00.800
<v Speaker 1>which is the sequel music holt to Phantom of the

0:38:00.840 --> 0:38:04.240
<v Speaker 1>Opera that Andrewoid Weber wrote. I watched it on YouTube

0:38:04.239 --> 0:38:10.440
<v Speaker 1>in the Deep Pandemic when they go. It is a

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:12.319
<v Speaker 1>sequel to Phantom of the Opera. I'll give you like

0:38:12.320 --> 0:38:14.439
<v Speaker 1>a very top line of the plot. So it's set

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:18.160
<v Speaker 1>ten years after Phantom of the Opera. Um Christine is

0:38:18.160 --> 0:38:20.759
<v Speaker 1>a famous opera sayer. She's married to Raoul, she has

0:38:20.800 --> 0:38:24.440
<v Speaker 1>a kid, and she gets booked to go do this

0:38:25.120 --> 0:38:28.160
<v Speaker 1>carnival Coney Island, which is the whole thing takes place

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:32.880
<v Speaker 1>on Coney And it turns out this carnival is owned

0:38:33.000 --> 0:38:38.000
<v Speaker 1>by Phantom, who's actually alive, and he and Christine, right

0:38:38.120 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 1>after the end of Phantom of the Opera fucked and

0:38:42.640 --> 0:38:46.040
<v Speaker 1>Christine had his child, and what discovers in Love Never

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Dies that Christine's son is his. They get back together.

0:38:50.320 --> 0:38:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Raoul is like a drunk gambler who's lost all their money,

0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:56.840
<v Speaker 1>and the show ends with Meg Jerry, who's in love

0:38:57.000 --> 0:39:00.400
<v Speaker 1>with the Phantom shooting and killing Christine, and the Phantom

0:39:00.400 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 1>and his son are like, I don't believe in the

0:39:03.360 --> 0:39:06.400
<v Speaker 1>cannon of love never. I don't either. I I reject

0:39:06.520 --> 0:39:09.880
<v Speaker 1>it as cannon. I'm just saying that it exists. It exists,

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:12.879
<v Speaker 1>and it does complicate the idea that Meg is Madame

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:17.759
<v Speaker 1>Jerry in the fancis, Madame Jerry is the ballet madam.

0:39:17.760 --> 0:39:22.120
<v Speaker 1>She's like the mysterious ballet mommy who is also somehow

0:39:22.160 --> 0:39:24.480
<v Speaker 1>connected to the Phantom. And in the movie you find

0:39:24.480 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>out that she saw him in a freak show, yes,

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 1>and helped him escape and helped him get under the

0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:34.319
<v Speaker 1>opera house. But that's why I'm like, yeah, so then

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.600
<v Speaker 1>they were they were they were doing it under on

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:41.479
<v Speaker 1>a rock by a lake on that movie opera house,

0:39:41.640 --> 0:39:57.279
<v Speaker 1>on the boat Exactly would we all fuck them? Antha? Yea?

0:39:59.000 --> 0:40:01.799
<v Speaker 1>I have because had enough I read enough Phantom of

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:04.919
<v Speaker 1>the Opera fan piction that I could confidently say yes,

0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>I would suck. I think it depends on which Phantom.

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:10.080
<v Speaker 1>For me. I don't think I could Functrard Butler Phantom.

0:40:10.160 --> 0:40:13.040
<v Speaker 1>He's kind of pathetic, Yeah, he's he's kind of snivel.

0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 1>He's snivelly. Yeah. The part that I always remember is

0:40:15.719 --> 0:40:18.719
<v Speaker 1>that he has a little a little booger, a little cry. Oh.

0:40:19.400 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>You know, phantoms throughout the years have been either like

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:26.440
<v Speaker 1>when Phantom started, it was like kind of an older

0:40:26.480 --> 0:40:30.319
<v Speaker 1>man is like less hot, and through the years the

0:40:30.360 --> 0:40:32.439
<v Speaker 1>phantoms have gotten hot or I don't know if you've

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.760
<v Speaker 1>ever seen this, but have you ever seen Nicole scherz

0:40:34.920 --> 0:40:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Are performing Phantom of I have one hundred, absolutely percent

0:40:39.719 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 1>seen Nicole her which is a terrible casting for Christine.

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:47.759
<v Speaker 1>She's way too I'm like, but she sounds yeah, but

0:40:47.800 --> 0:40:51.839
<v Speaker 1>she's had She has an incredible voice, and she had

0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:55.040
<v Speaker 1>a whole moment with Andrew laid Webber. But this performance,

0:40:55.440 --> 0:40:58.160
<v Speaker 1>it's her standing in the middle and then all of

0:40:58.200 --> 0:41:01.719
<v Speaker 1>the famous phantom actor around her, and it looks like

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it's about to be like they're about to come on

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:09.240
<v Speaker 1>her face. Yes, it's full phantom Boukaqiya would would would

0:41:09.239 --> 0:41:11.919
<v Speaker 1>do it? Yeah? I would watch that on portn Hub

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>Phantom Buck It probably exists. I'm sure it does. My

0:41:15.800 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>thing about the two thousand four movie is that I

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:23.480
<v Speaker 1>believe there's a strong, strong, strong lesbian subtext between between

0:41:23.520 --> 0:41:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Meg and Christine. Meg who they literally present as like

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 1>a Fooch Dike in that movie. I have a strong

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 1>head theory that Meg is in love with Christine and

0:41:35.600 --> 0:41:38.799
<v Speaker 1>you can track her through the movie and what she does.

0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.160
<v Speaker 1>A lot of the time when Rawl shows up, Meg

0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:44.239
<v Speaker 1>is also there, or Meg is there to be like

0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.440
<v Speaker 1>I got to see her, or like how can I help?

0:41:47.520 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>How can I rescue her? In the end, it's Meg,

0:41:51.160 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>not Raoul, who successfully leads the mob to save Christine.

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:57.960
<v Speaker 1>And she shows up wearing pants. Why is she wearing pants?

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:00.600
<v Speaker 1>She's a ballet well and in them is called The

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:03.840
<v Speaker 1>musical ends on Meg's face befure. She picks up the

0:42:03.880 --> 0:42:05.880
<v Speaker 1>mask and then there's a spotlight on her face and

0:42:05.880 --> 0:42:09.200
<v Speaker 1>then it ends. I think in the movie there's more

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:15.880
<v Speaker 1>romantic tension between Christine and Mini Driver, who plays Carlossi Madonna.

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.440
<v Speaker 1>I like that Mini Driver is the best part of

0:42:19.440 --> 0:42:22.719
<v Speaker 1>the movie. Many drivers amazing, her Italian accent completely off

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:25.040
<v Speaker 1>the wall. Yes, Mini Driver, I will say this, Mini

0:42:25.120 --> 0:42:28.319
<v Speaker 1>Drivers the only person in this film who knows what

0:42:28.400 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 1>movie she's in. Okay, how so I feel like you've

0:42:31.160 --> 0:42:35.560
<v Speaker 1>said this before because this movie is camp that knows

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 1>it's camp, and everyone else is acting like they're in

0:42:39.440 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>a very serious movie. Didn't, but no one else knew.

0:42:42.680 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>I think maybe many Joel Schumacher knew that. Hue. Let's talk.

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.000
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about the fact that this movie was directed

0:42:48.000 --> 0:42:51.719
<v Speaker 1>by Joel Schumacher, starring Patrick Wilson, the star of Angels

0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.400
<v Speaker 1>in America. Yeah, Joel Schumacher, who I think this is

0:42:55.520 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 1>was his first movie post Batman and Robin Nipples on

0:42:59.719 --> 0:43:04.759
<v Speaker 1>the Campus, Miss Cartoonish. Yes, Joel Schumacher said to Minni Driver, Hey,

0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.520
<v Speaker 1>you know you're in a Joel Schumacher movie, right, And

0:43:07.560 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 1>she was like, yeah, I got it, and no one

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.560
<v Speaker 1>else got that. Wigs and wigs. She didn't sing, She

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:15.920
<v Speaker 1>did not sing. She did not sing. They faked her voice.

0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 1>But you know what, I'm happy that they did that

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.160
<v Speaker 1>so that we got Mini Driver in this movie because

0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:25.000
<v Speaker 1>she is incredible. And Prima Donna is I think one

0:43:25.040 --> 0:43:27.560
<v Speaker 1>of the high points of the film. I love Prima Donna,

0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:31.400
<v Speaker 1>the best character. Good Prima Donna. I think I love her.

0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:34.839
<v Speaker 1>Alatta is like one of my favorite parts of the show.

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Carlotta has the most iconic lines in the show. Until

0:43:37.840 --> 0:43:41.520
<v Speaker 1>you stopping these things from happening. This thing does not happen,

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 1>and that happens in the first five minutes of the

0:43:46.000 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 1>movie Drink Think of Me but Rose. Have you seen

0:43:48.800 --> 0:43:52.880
<v Speaker 1>the Anniversary at the Royal Albert Hall, Yeah, with Sara Bogga.

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:55.400
<v Speaker 1>I love that. I think that one is actually my

0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite version of him. Yeah, well, I think he's the

0:43:58.640 --> 0:44:00.839
<v Speaker 1>Phantom and that is one of my favorite. So he's

0:44:00.880 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 1>the best, and he's really sexy. He's really really sexy.

0:44:04.400 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I agree with what you said about like in the past,

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:09.520
<v Speaker 1>they're more sort of like older, like a mobster kind

0:44:09.520 --> 0:44:13.360
<v Speaker 1>of baritone. It's very daddy vibes, very very daddy. And

0:44:13.400 --> 0:44:17.040
<v Speaker 1>then the guy in the Anniversary version he has like

0:44:17.080 --> 0:44:20.120
<v Speaker 1>a high voice. It's a really different kind of take

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.359
<v Speaker 1>on Phantom. This is insane. The way y'all are nerd

0:44:23.440 --> 0:44:26.400
<v Speaker 1>ing out over these different renditions of Phantom has me shook.

0:44:26.520 --> 0:44:28.960
<v Speaker 1>And do people know this about you? Do people know

0:44:29.040 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>how much you love It's kind of a classic thing

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:33.120
<v Speaker 1>about me that I love Phantom of them. I'm so

0:44:33.200 --> 0:44:36.120
<v Speaker 1>happy that this is bringing us together. I am. I'm

0:44:36.200 --> 0:44:38.759
<v Speaker 1>so when you got so excited, I was like, Okay, great,

0:44:38.760 --> 0:44:41.040
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna have something to talk about. This is this

0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:43.200
<v Speaker 1>is gonna because no one ever wants to talk about Phantom.

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:47.600
<v Speaker 1>No real people who really want to talk about Phantom

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.759
<v Speaker 1>of the Opera. Why do you think people think it's bad?

0:44:49.880 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>I do think other than the fact that it is bad, well,

0:44:52.160 --> 0:44:54.480
<v Speaker 1>I do think it's it is that it is. It

0:44:54.520 --> 0:44:57.800
<v Speaker 1>has the baggage of like being the longest running musical,

0:44:57.880 --> 0:45:01.520
<v Speaker 1>so people think, like, it's just so commercialized. I also

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.839
<v Speaker 1>think it's the androloid webber of it all because like,

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.439
<v Speaker 1>this is the type of musical he makes this like big, bombastic,

0:45:07.560 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 1>blockbuster musical. Look at cats, look at you know, christ Supersticie.

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>I feel like people here, I almost have a like

0:45:16.200 --> 0:45:20.319
<v Speaker 1>less generous reading, which is that it has the word

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:23.640
<v Speaker 1>opera in the title, and people think it's an opera

0:45:23.719 --> 0:45:26.520
<v Speaker 1>and instead of musical, and they're like, I don't like opera,

0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's like, it's a musical in the truest sense

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:32.920
<v Speaker 1>of the word. It's literally got nothing to do with opera. Honestly,

0:45:32.960 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 1>that would deter me. It's about an opera, it's about

0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>several Yeah, merely the backdrop for what is a beautiful musical.

0:45:41.640 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 1>Because I don't actually love opera, but I love Phantom

0:45:46.120 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 1>of the I love phantoms. I have at home a

0:45:50.680 --> 0:45:54.600
<v Speaker 1>mug that my mom gave me. Um that as you

0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:56.640
<v Speaker 1>add something hot to it, it's a Phantom of the

0:45:56.640 --> 0:46:00.440
<v Speaker 1>Opera mug. The Phantom mask fills in and turn white,

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:06.239
<v Speaker 1>and it is my most prize possession. That's that's a

0:46:06.280 --> 0:46:08.520
<v Speaker 1>good mom. And I do like go on et s

0:46:08.840 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>once a month looking for vintage Phantom of the operation.

0:46:12.480 --> 0:46:15.279
<v Speaker 1>Almost bought a vintage Phantom of the Opera shirt when

0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:19.319
<v Speaker 1>I was in Houston, Texas. But it was like it

0:46:19.440 --> 0:46:21.880
<v Speaker 1>was like a hundred twenty dollars something that was a

0:46:21.880 --> 0:46:24.120
<v Speaker 1>little too much. I was like, I would pay sixty,

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.560
<v Speaker 1>I would pay seventy five, but not I would have

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.200
<v Speaker 1>paid that much. I mean, I paid a hundred dollars

0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:34.080
<v Speaker 1>for this wasp shirt that I'm wearing. Did you did

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you really need it? Um? Let's just need everyone to know.

0:46:39.440 --> 0:46:41.920
<v Speaker 1>But let's talk about Emmy Rossum. What did you think

0:46:41.960 --> 0:46:46.600
<v Speaker 1>of her as Christine? Okay, I really really, really really

0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>think that specifically Emmy Rossum as Christine and Fransom of

0:46:49.280 --> 0:46:52.400
<v Speaker 1>the Opera was the root of deep colonized desire for

0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:58.320
<v Speaker 1>me and that for us for for years and years

0:46:58.320 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and years afterwards, like fifty years afterwards, I had to

0:47:01.880 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>really work to undo this thing about like way fish

0:47:05.760 --> 0:47:10.040
<v Speaker 1>white women who need help, like white women with long,

0:47:10.080 --> 0:47:16.239
<v Speaker 1>brown haired help, and there are so many of them,

0:47:16.239 --> 0:47:19.680
<v Speaker 1>and there are so many, they're very they're very common

0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.320
<v Speaker 1>to find, and I have dated all of them. Um,

0:47:23.320 --> 0:47:26.280
<v Speaker 1>and that has been Yeah, that's been a real journey

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.040
<v Speaker 1>for me. I am sort of over that now. But

0:47:29.320 --> 0:47:34.239
<v Speaker 1>I had a meeting with Emmy Rassam's production company this

0:47:34.360 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>past year and they were like, we love your pilot.

0:47:39.480 --> 0:47:41.120
<v Speaker 1>We're going to send it to Emmy. And I was like,

0:47:42.280 --> 0:47:45.000
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna like, I like fell out. I was like,

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.759
<v Speaker 1>we're going to be the phantom. The space between me

0:47:48.960 --> 0:47:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and Emmy Rassam is narrowing, it's going and then the

0:47:53.560 --> 0:47:56.240
<v Speaker 1>phantom will be non binary, as I'm at the phantom

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:59.799
<v Speaker 1>will be absolutely non binary. Yeah. I honestly, I think

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:05.480
<v Speaker 1>of myself is more of an entree or okay, um,

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:09.080
<v Speaker 1>who's one of the little goofy opera house guys. Um.

0:48:09.120 --> 0:48:12.040
<v Speaker 1>An image of the phantom taking off the white mask

0:48:12.080 --> 0:48:16.640
<v Speaker 1>and revealing like half girl. Yeah, like like a yeah

0:48:16.960 --> 0:48:19.439
<v Speaker 1>smoky eye and like a gorgeous lit and the other

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.600
<v Speaker 1>a yeah, yeah, I can see it. I could see it.

0:48:36.760 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 1>I do want to celebrate Joel Schumacher, who once talked

0:48:39.600 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 1>about how he has slept with ten thousand to twenty

0:48:43.480 --> 0:48:46.680
<v Speaker 1>men for her, Yeah, for her rest in power. King

0:48:47.440 --> 0:48:53.680
<v Speaker 1>um who truly like this movie is just more is more,

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.640
<v Speaker 1>like everywhere it's it's just like there is so much

0:48:57.680 --> 0:49:01.759
<v Speaker 1>happening on screen at all times, and like none of

0:49:01.800 --> 0:49:07.840
<v Speaker 1>it works amazingly. But and also like the editing style,

0:49:08.000 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 1>it's like nothing lingers in the right way. It's like

0:49:11.360 --> 0:49:15.439
<v Speaker 1>always cutting on the wrong beat. It's like like it's

0:49:15.480 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>all very like not stylized and like trying to be real.

0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:22.160
<v Speaker 1>And then they do like we'll throw in like a

0:49:22.200 --> 0:49:25.040
<v Speaker 1>weird surrealist things like during Phantom of the Opera when

0:49:25.040 --> 0:49:26.960
<v Speaker 1>he's leading her down the hallway and like all the

0:49:27.000 --> 0:49:30.399
<v Speaker 1>hands are holding the candle. Oh my god, where does

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:36.400
<v Speaker 1>that come from? Where does that come from? Yeah? And

0:49:36.440 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>then like when they get down to his underground cavern,

0:49:39.160 --> 0:49:41.719
<v Speaker 1>like it's lit with a million candles, but like the

0:49:41.719 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>thing is that happens in the musical because you need

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:48.759
<v Speaker 1>that because it's on stage, like in a movie, it's

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.080
<v Speaker 1>just too bright, Like why do you have that many candles?

0:49:51.320 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 1>And why are they lifting out of the floor, Like

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.400
<v Speaker 1>that's this is not That's what I mean is that

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:59.959
<v Speaker 1>it's too precious about maintaining things from the stage show

0:50:00.120 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 1>that like don't really translate to film instead of finding

0:50:04.360 --> 0:50:07.239
<v Speaker 1>a new stylistic way to tell this story. But then

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:09.640
<v Speaker 1>there are some moments where they move away from what

0:50:09.760 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>happens on stage because they want it to like seem

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:16.959
<v Speaker 1>more gritty and realistic, Like how um at the graveyard

0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:20.239
<v Speaker 1>Instead of doing the kind of fireball thing that the

0:50:20.239 --> 0:50:22.959
<v Speaker 1>Phantom does on stage, they have like a sword fight,

0:50:23.360 --> 0:50:27.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's like and more you know, Captain Jack Sparrow,

0:50:28.239 --> 0:50:30.040
<v Speaker 1>how does he? But it's like how does this guy

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:33.040
<v Speaker 1>know how to fight with the sword? He's a genius,

0:50:33.080 --> 0:50:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, but what about rawling? He's a savant And

0:50:36.560 --> 0:50:39.920
<v Speaker 1>that's like what's a savant? He's like he's like like

0:50:40.560 --> 0:50:44.799
<v Speaker 1>a brilliant composer and like um engineer and like all

0:50:44.840 --> 0:50:48.319
<v Speaker 1>these things. I mean, god. He also he also when

0:50:48.400 --> 0:50:51.240
<v Speaker 1>Raoul comes down to save Christine, the Phantom like ties

0:50:51.320 --> 0:50:53.840
<v Speaker 1>him to the gate in him. But it's like I

0:50:53.880 --> 0:50:57.000
<v Speaker 1>don't really understand where the tension is there, like what

0:50:57.080 --> 0:51:01.600
<v Speaker 1>he's actually like how he's what what lever is being

0:51:01.600 --> 0:51:04.040
<v Speaker 1>pulled out, but there is a vibe between Raoul and

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:08.440
<v Speaker 1>the Phantom. Obviously, obviously this is a Joel schumacro film.

0:51:08.520 --> 0:51:13.919
<v Speaker 1>I won Patrick Wilson was gredeously. I hate him so much,

0:51:14.040 --> 0:51:18.040
<v Speaker 1>but well, no, I hate the character rall. Yes, That's

0:51:18.080 --> 0:51:20.960
<v Speaker 1>what I really appreciate about the twenty five anniversary version

0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>is that I feel like it's the only version I've

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:26.360
<v Speaker 1>seen that makes it more clear that like Christine is

0:51:26.400 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>being abused and that like everybody is kind of abusing

0:51:30.000 --> 0:51:35.879
<v Speaker 1>her and gaslighting her and disbelieving her and into it.

0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 1>I feel like the whole musical and this is just

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:41.040
<v Speaker 1>from what I remember from watching Ages ago, I feel

0:51:41.040 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of it is like the engine of

0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:46.400
<v Speaker 1>it is that suspended, is it? Or is it not?

0:51:46.480 --> 0:51:49.080
<v Speaker 1>Like sexual tension between the two of them, because like

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:51.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, I mean, I you know, don't go

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:53.200
<v Speaker 1>into this movie being like, oh my god, I'm gonna

0:51:53.239 --> 0:51:54.800
<v Speaker 1>fall in love with the Phantom or She's going to

0:51:54.880 --> 0:51:56.560
<v Speaker 1>fall in love with the Phantom. Yeah, because you have

0:51:56.680 --> 0:51:59.359
<v Speaker 1>songs like the Point of No Return, which is so

0:51:59.520 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 1>horny and also inexplicably in the movie, there's a tango

0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 1>added to it, and it's literally just like because Joel

0:52:06.560 --> 0:52:08.680
<v Speaker 1>Schumacher saw Mulan Rouge and was like, well, I guess

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:12.080
<v Speaker 1>we need to tango. I guess we need Yeah, her

0:52:12.120 --> 0:52:15.560
<v Speaker 1>shirt falling off of her, off of the seventeen year

0:52:15.560 --> 0:52:20.000
<v Speaker 1>old girl, she looks so she's so skinny in this movie,

0:52:20.120 --> 0:52:23.600
<v Speaker 1>Like her waist is like the size of two of

0:52:23.640 --> 0:52:28.799
<v Speaker 1>my fingers. White fragility, white fragile femininity. I learned something

0:52:28.840 --> 0:52:33.560
<v Speaker 1>messed up about that. I really I was so obsessed

0:52:33.640 --> 0:52:38.319
<v Speaker 1>with her that I was like collecting um like magazines

0:52:38.360 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 1>that she was on the cover of. And I realized

0:52:40.960 --> 0:52:44.080
<v Speaker 1>one time when I um it was in eighth grade.

0:52:44.400 --> 0:52:47.759
<v Speaker 1>It was winter break. I went with my gay best

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:51.520
<v Speaker 1>friend Um, who now is also a non binary person

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:56.360
<v Speaker 1>in the other direction. Um and our other friend Jesse,

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.759
<v Speaker 1>who we both like kind of had a crush on

0:52:59.440 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 1>who is this boy Um? And we went to Borders

0:53:02.239 --> 0:53:06.600
<v Speaker 1>bookstore and I became so their name. I became so

0:53:06.760 --> 0:53:11.000
<v Speaker 1>obsessed with going through the magazines at Borders to find

0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:14.120
<v Speaker 1>Emmi Rassam that in that moment I was like, I

0:53:14.160 --> 0:53:16.399
<v Speaker 1>actually think I care more about this than I care

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<v Speaker 1>about this boy that was like me. When I pretended

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<v Speaker 1>to have a cross on Lindsay Lohan. I recollect all

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<v Speaker 1>the magazine covers. That was me looking for magazines with

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<v Speaker 1>you and McGregor. In the You and McGregor, we all

0:53:28.440 --> 0:53:31.560
<v Speaker 1>sent a lot of time and various parts of borders Orders. Well,

0:53:31.640 --> 0:53:34.720
<v Speaker 1>the internet was much smaller than Yeah, I was the magazine.

0:53:34.719 --> 0:53:37.399
<v Speaker 1>You had to look at a real material picture. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite recent memories of Phantom was lu

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<v Speaker 1>Anne being at the opening night of Phantom coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to Broadway and then Andrew laid webber dje outside. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, Yes that looked amazing because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it the next night and I was so bad I

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't there, probably could have got No. I had an

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:59.200
<v Speaker 1>incredible fam for that. I was like, this was happening.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think Andrew loid web DJ is like

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<v Speaker 1>what he was just playing Phantom of the Opera remixes. No,

0:54:05.520 --> 0:54:10.640
<v Speaker 1>he was not. He was you know what they want,

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<v Speaker 1>that's the stupidest and that was also what he wanted,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's what I wanted when I used to be

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<v Speaker 1>a DJ, Like, I had a Phantom of the Opera

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<v Speaker 1>remix that I would often play at sex parties. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's a very jarring thing to come on while you're

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<v Speaker 1>getting the song Phantom of the Opera, will you send it?

0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:31.399
<v Speaker 1>You have to understand that for the people who want

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<v Speaker 1>to see this, this is what like, we want to

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<v Speaker 1>see five phantoms all singing like one line, one word

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<v Speaker 1>of the song alternating we want all the remixing exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>We want every single and then every single one of

0:54:44.560 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 1>them steps forward and goes sing for me. And so

0:54:48.920 --> 0:54:52.200
<v Speaker 1>what what are Phantom? What are Phantom fans called Phantom fans?

0:54:52.239 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>pH a Phantom? Okay, so phantoms? Um, I feel like

0:54:59.680 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 1>you know you're seeing for me is like you know,

0:55:02.080 --> 0:55:06.120
<v Speaker 1>Wicked Stanza. Wow, you know what I mean? Nothing nothing

0:55:06.160 --> 0:55:10.799
<v Speaker 1>sends full body shivers up my spine like hearing the

0:55:11.480 --> 0:55:14.919
<v Speaker 1>dun d d d dandom because the rod is about

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<v Speaker 1>to start. It's about to start. Buckle up. Um. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like I've been inducted into the fandom and

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<v Speaker 1>I really appreciate that emphasis. You're welcome. Yeah, it's also

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<v Speaker 1>okay if not. I feel like Phantom of the Opera

0:55:30.719 --> 0:55:35.840
<v Speaker 1>is there's like there's people who had weird gay sexual

0:55:35.880 --> 0:55:37.960
<v Speaker 1>awakenings about Phantom of the Opera and people who had

0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.680
<v Speaker 1>weird gay sexual awakenings about cats. And they're all here today. Yeah,

0:55:41.920 --> 0:55:45.840
<v Speaker 1>I didn't have it about cats. That's not my andrewlaid Webber.

0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:54.200
<v Speaker 1>I'm choking for Phoebe. Okay, so producer Phoebe Prucer Phoebe

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:58.879
<v Speaker 1>just said that for her, this is she is more

0:55:58.920 --> 0:56:02.279
<v Speaker 1>into Jesus a superstar, which is not something I have

0:56:02.360 --> 0:56:05.640
<v Speaker 1>any experience. I've never seen. I think Jesus Christ Superstar

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:07.839
<v Speaker 1>is in the same way that I said, people would

0:56:07.840 --> 0:56:10.600
<v Speaker 1>eliminate Phantom of the Opera for having opera and the title.

0:56:10.920 --> 0:56:15.080
<v Speaker 1>I sort of eliminated Jesus Christ Superstar Jesus Christ. I

0:56:15.160 --> 0:56:17.760
<v Speaker 1>was like, this is not for me. Yeah, the Phantom

0:56:17.840 --> 0:56:19.799
<v Speaker 1>is my Jesus. I want to see him to be

0:56:20.120 --> 0:56:23.680
<v Speaker 1>crucified exactly. He might be at some point maybe in

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.800
<v Speaker 1>Love Never Dies. Truly. If there is a Phantom of

0:56:26.840 --> 0:56:29.839
<v Speaker 1>the Opera new movie or like limited series or something,

0:56:29.880 --> 0:56:32.200
<v Speaker 1>I need to write on it. Not a limited series,

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:36.360
<v Speaker 1>so funny, a Phantom limited series, I mean that takes

0:56:36.360 --> 0:56:39.520
<v Speaker 1>place in the modern day, like it still has to

0:56:39.560 --> 0:56:43.040
<v Speaker 1>be period Phantom of the Opera. And there have been well,

0:56:43.040 --> 0:56:45.960
<v Speaker 1>there have been a lot of Phantom adaptations, and some

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:49.480
<v Speaker 1>of them are like more contemporary, Like there's the Phantom

0:56:49.520 --> 0:56:54.239
<v Speaker 1>of the Multiplex, which is like the weirdest one I've

0:56:54.239 --> 0:56:58.560
<v Speaker 1>seen a Um do you guys know um Takarrasca the

0:56:58.640 --> 0:57:02.120
<v Speaker 1>Japanese like all few male theater. True. Okay, so this

0:57:02.200 --> 0:57:04.600
<v Speaker 1>is a thing. It's a Japanese all female theater true,

0:57:04.640 --> 0:57:08.200
<v Speaker 1>where they do these long, sweeping musicals and women play

0:57:08.239 --> 0:57:11.120
<v Speaker 1>all the roles, including man. And it's specifically a thing,

0:57:11.680 --> 0:57:14.839
<v Speaker 1>specifically a thing that you're seeing these women dressed as

0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:17.919
<v Speaker 1>like sexy sexy men, and women go to see these

0:57:17.920 --> 0:57:21.440
<v Speaker 1>shows to see these like perfect men who are And

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:24.000
<v Speaker 1>they did a version of Phantom of the Opera, which

0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.640
<v Speaker 1>I want to see that it was its own. It's

0:57:26.680 --> 0:57:30.040
<v Speaker 1>not the Andrewoid Weber musical. They did their own adaptation

0:57:30.160 --> 0:57:32.560
<v Speaker 1>of Phantom. You can find it on the internet. There

0:57:32.600 --> 0:57:36.480
<v Speaker 1>were no subtitles though, so so you're just kind of

0:57:36.560 --> 0:57:41.360
<v Speaker 1>piece of spider. Yeah, just vibe. Um. I can't believe

0:57:41.360 --> 0:57:43.880
<v Speaker 1>there's a phantom at the Multiplex, and I guess a

0:57:43.920 --> 0:57:46.960
<v Speaker 1>phantom at the all women's Japanese. There's a there's a

0:57:47.000 --> 0:57:50.160
<v Speaker 1>lot of different phantom at this at the Staples Center.

0:57:50.320 --> 0:57:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Phantom of Fire Island, Fire Island. That is going to

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.280
<v Speaker 1>be you. That is going to be you sing for

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<v Speaker 1>me at your Disease Mystery. Next week we'll be back

0:58:13.920 --> 0:58:18.440
<v Speaker 1>with an episode on tight tanic Um. They called her

0:58:18.480 --> 0:58:22.560
<v Speaker 1>the Ship of Dreams, and she was. It's been eighty

0:58:22.600 --> 0:58:24.760
<v Speaker 1>four years, but it will only be a week until

0:58:24.760 --> 0:58:27.120
<v Speaker 1>we talk about titan And next week Ross will do

0:58:27.200 --> 0:58:31.360
<v Speaker 1>an hour of radio theater the themed around the Titanic.

0:58:31.800 --> 0:58:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Why don't you come over and suck in the That

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<v Speaker 1>is actually every it's every single character has a Transatlantic accent.

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