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Speaker 1: rob the eye roll that I just got from. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I turned thirty four today, and you know what I feel?

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Speaker 1: Okay saying not because last week when I told harry

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Speaker 1: you do have a what is it? Petroleum delly lugging,

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Speaker 1: just drinking water. Did you know that Sydney Sweeney only

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Speaker 1: like the Phantom of the Opera, my favorite musical and

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Speaker 1: And I'm so excited because after literal months of trying

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Speaker 1: to convince Brand to do an episode on Phantom of

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Speaker 1: the Opera, I was finally able to bully them into

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Speaker 1: it with the help of our guests. Today Just Tom,

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Speaker 1: who's an incredible comedian, writer and Phantom of the opera

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Speaker 1: stand and Just Tom just wanted to plug that they're

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Speaker 1: doing three nights uh for their hour called Less Lonely.

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Speaker 1: The poster is iconic like it's giving Phantom. It's giving

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Speaker 1: Phantom um at the Cherry Lane Theater July thirteen through

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Speaker 1: the fifteen, so y'all should get tickets. And it's also

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Speaker 1: being presented by Elliott Page. Hello. They're also doing another

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Speaker 1: show July twenty nine at Dynasty Typewriter, so go see Jeff. Yeah. So,

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Speaker 1: with the help of Jess, we're going to deconstruct you know,

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Speaker 1: the chandelier Christine Raw Joel Schumacher's ten thousand load weekend.

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Speaker 1: Because this is like a virgin the show we give

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Speaker 1: yesterday's pop culture, today's takes, I'm Rose, damn you, and

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Speaker 1: I'm fran Toronto. Of course more singing. Here we go.

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Speaker 1: How have you been adjusting to post vacation real life again?

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Um, I'm really, really, really tired

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Speaker 1: today because I was up until who I am? Well,

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Speaker 1: I can't, I can't, I can't really tell you on

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Speaker 1: the my was it a sex reason? Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: a sex reason. Okay, so you've been been adjusting back

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Speaker 1: to Yes, what about you? Your birthday is coming up? Actually,

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Speaker 1: I believe this podcast job. This episode drops on my

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Speaker 1: on your birthday turning forty four. Just kidding, some people

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Speaker 1: would believe that. No, my birthday is on Thursday. Um,

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Speaker 1: I famously I hate my birthday. This year, I have

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Speaker 1: my birthday all scheduled out. I'm doing lots of like

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Speaker 1: you're doing for your birthday. Yeah, I'm getting a facial

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Speaker 1: and getting a massage. I'm gonna maybe go shopping and

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Speaker 1: movies maybe with some friends. Like, I'm not doing a

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Speaker 1: dinner because just all my girlies are out of town,

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Speaker 1: including fran and And also I got to have a

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Speaker 1: that as my true birthday celebration. Oh my god, that's

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Speaker 1: what I wanted. Wow. Okay, that's really good to hear. Um,

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Speaker 1: And I appreciate. I appreciate how thoughtful that was that

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Speaker 1: virgins need to know because okay, say what you wanted

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Speaker 1: about your birthday. You hate it, I get it. But

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Speaker 1: like Roses, the girl who will be like, I hate

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Speaker 1: And then she'll be like, why is no one celebrating

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Speaker 1: You're aging backwards? You're basically um Isabella Rossellini and Death

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Speaker 1: Phedra is so good to me, is incredible television. Everything

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Speaker 1: demonstrate what a friend I am. Okay, Moments after we

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Speaker 1: this up when you um have been bestowed the testosterone

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00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:47,760
Speaker 1: induced curse of being attracted to men. Absolutely No, it

427
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,160
Speaker 1: absolutely was, and I um, okay, I want to say

428
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,880
Speaker 1: that the episode that I listened to to prepare myself

429
00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 1: for this of like a virgin was the honey Pluton up?

430
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: So about Are You the One? Truly one of our

431
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: best episodes. It was so good. Um it was so funny.

432
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm definitely much more NPR sort of

433
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: telling than this, But that's okay, thank you, um um testosterone,

434
00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: but um no, just kidding. I sounded like this before too.

435
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,639
Speaker 1: But anyway, you guys were talking about Kai and the

436
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: way that everybody kind of jumped on Kong. Okay. I

437
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: want to say that when I watched Are You the One,

438
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: and I saw specifically this thing where Kai walked into

439
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: the house and everybody suddenly wanted to funk him, I

440
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: was like, Okay, this is about white supremacy, and especially

441
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: if you look at what happened with Kai versus what

442
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,159
Speaker 1: happened with Bassett. I was like, this is about white

443
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: masculinity versus black femininity and how one is valued and

444
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: one is reviled, specifically sexually and romantically. And I was

445
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: really pissed. I was like, this guy like Kai, to me,

446
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: he's not that hot in the face or body or

447
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: style or personality. Okay, he's not that Okay, I agree,

448
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 1: I feel the same way. I disagree. I thought he

449
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: was immediately hot. I immediately found him hot on for us.

450
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: So that is for you, that's for you to interrogate

451
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,640
Speaker 1: about yourselves. Yes, that's exactly. That's a question for me. Yes,

452
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,719
Speaker 1: but so I and you know, I went to Smith College,

453
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: So for me, I don't this is not like if

454
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: you've never seen this before, then that's on you. There's

455
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: ten million Kai Are you kidding me? Unfortunately? I mean,

456
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 1: Kai is like the most chosen name, but also isn't

457
00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: It's right up there with like Persephonie and per seven.

458
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,000
Speaker 1: I love that. I love the trans women shoes like

459
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: long names, yeah, like Celestine. Yeah, it's like Greek mythology stars, um,

460
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Shakespeare names. And then trans guys are like I'm brick

461
00:27:55,200 --> 00:28:00,240
Speaker 1: right or like j J J I J I home.

462
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 1: And so I was like watching are you the one?

463
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: Getting like angry, getting jealous and really being like I mean,

464
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,080
Speaker 1: obviously I was intensely projecting myself, but I was like,

465
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: this was me. This would never happen in this way.

466
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 1: And then I got to Fire Island, which was like

467
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: single sex, Are you the One? And I was the

468
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 1: Kai and I was like, actually, all these people want

469
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: to have sex with me? Yes, you were. I was

470
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,199
Speaker 1: the one. I was literally the one. I'm pretty sure

471
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 1: I was the only transmasculine person. They were the entire

472
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: weekend that I saw. But did you have a transformative

473
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: justice circle in a hot tub? Is the question? I

474
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: accountable for your behavior? I UM? I like to think

475
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: that I was acting completely above board the entire time,

476
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 1: because no one wants to be the toxic trans mask.

477
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: There wasn't really on Fire Island. There wasn't an opportunity

478
00:28:52,560 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: for me to scream at a woman. Love that. We're

479
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: about to change that this weekend. I can't be misogynist.

480
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: If there are women, I will be the woman screaming,

481
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: and that is your right, that is your right. I'm

482
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 1: occupying the space. I'm clearing the space. Um. Speaking of screaming,

483
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: we did. We did bring you here for a reason,

484
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: which is you virgins listening. You have no idea how

485
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: excited I was when Jess told me at the topic

486
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: they wanted to talk about. It is something I have

487
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:34,200
Speaker 1: been trying to bully Fran into discussing since this podcast started.

488
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: And that is du du du Phantom of the Opera,

489
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,360
Speaker 1: specifically the two thousand four Joel Schumacher film starring Emmy Rossum,

490
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,560
Speaker 1: Gerard Butler, Patrick Wilson, and most importantly, Mini Driver. I

491
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 1: had no idea it's a queer movie. It is. It's

492
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: queer in which we I mean, it's bad, but we love. Yeah, absolutely,

493
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 1: it's awful. It's I've definitely seen it once and I

494
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: feel like when I walked, when I like walked out

495
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: of the movie, I remember being like, yeah, I felt

496
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: like the person that directed that claims to have had

497
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: sex with people. Yeah, well, definitely the movie I watched.

498
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: You know, we do this thing often where we start

499
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: with the negative things about something. Yeah, right, um, so

500
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:24,239
Speaker 1: I guess we'll get it out of the way. This

501
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: movie is bad. I think it's mostly bad because Andrew

502
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: lid Weber did hand pick Joel Schumacher to make the movie,

503
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: and thus like he's just like far too involved in it,

504
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 1: and it ends up being a very literal adaptation of

505
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 1: the Broadway musical and I think suffers for that. Well,

506
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 1: it's also very in that early to mid two thousand's,

507
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 1: like we're doing a dark, gritty, realistic like this is

508
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: like if Phantom of the opera really happens, right, which

509
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: like it is based on truevans. No, it's not. Yes,

510
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the Phantom of the Opera is based on it. No,

511
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 1: it's I mean it's based on a novel. Yeah, but

512
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: the novel is based on something that actually happened in

513
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 1: the Parisian Opera in the eighteen hundreds. Are you sure? Yes,

514
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking up right now, y looking up. The novel

515
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: Le Fantom del Opera was partly inspired by historical events

516
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: at the Paris Opera during the nineteenth century and buy

517
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 1: an apocryphal tale concerning the use of a former ballet

518
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 1: pupils skeleton. Yes, and there was an actual chandelier that

519
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: killed someone. So you doubted me, And it turns out

520
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: I I could school you on. You know what you

521
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: believed in yourself, and I believe in myself. I don't

522
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: think there was a literal phantom, but I think there was. Oh,

523
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: you think I will preface I do think I should

524
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: start this conversation by saying, Phantom of the Opera is

525
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: my favorite musical. Yeah, it's my favorite musical too. It

526
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,880
Speaker 1: is the only musical you've seen. Though, I am like

527
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,840
Speaker 1: a fake gay in that I'm like I love musical.

528
00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: It's Phantom of the Opera and Rent, not Rent. Oh

529
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 1: my god, the day that we have to finally do

530
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: a Rent episode will be the day I killed myself. Listen.

531
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 1: I was fourteen at one point, and I don't think

532
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 1: I don't think that I should be punished for the

533
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,480
Speaker 1: We're not we're not calling you in. We're not we're

534
00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: not holding you accountable for that. But Rent was revelatory

535
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 1: at the age of fourteen. That's so Phantom for me

536
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: is was not the first musical I saw, but the

537
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: first musical I saw where I was like, Oh, this

538
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 1: is what musicals can be. Like the spectacle of it.

539
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: I mean, when the chandelier rises over the audience, it

540
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 1: is the gag of all gags. That's Chekov's gun. Yeah,

541
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 1: and it happens right at the beginning of the plate

542
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 1: and with the overture. Like so, actually, the last time

543
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: we're currently in New York at the I Heart Studio recording.

544
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: The last time I was here was in October and

545
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: that night I went to see Phantom of the Opera

546
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: right after it had reopened, like post covid um, and

547
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: hearing that overture being played, it just was like Broadways back.

548
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 1: I love that that's what you returned to, ushering you

549
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: back into real life. Well, it was like one of

550
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: the only things that there were tickets to. Um, but

551
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 1: I was so happy to see it, and also like

552
00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 1: my seats were in the nosebleeds and like you can't

553
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: have a bad seat for that show because it is

554
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,960
Speaker 1: such a spectacle. It's kind of like going on a

555
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: ride at Disney. You can always see a Candele opera.

556
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: No matter where you're sitting, you can see it. What

557
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,080
Speaker 1: was your first experience with Phantom? Oh my god. Um,

558
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I want to say that I've seen Phantom on tour

559
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: up to five times. Maybe my family used to love

560
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,600
Speaker 1: to see musicals downtown. That's like my family seeing the

561
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Blue Man Group five. Yes, exactly that the opera was

562
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: our Blue Man grow and there are LinkedIn, so you know,

563
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 1: the Blue Men and the Phantom have. I distinctly remember

564
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: my mom and my auntie going to see it when

565
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: I was like five, and like I didn't go because

566
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and then them coming back and

567
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: telling me about it and going like someday when you're older,

568
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: will take you. So Phantom of the Opera was sort

569
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 1: of this right of passage for me, I want to say, Okay,

570
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: huge confession. The Phantom of the Opera two thousand four

571
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: movie is definitely one of my roots. Okay made you

572
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 1: it was a root of I want to say lesbian

573
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: is um, but I think what I really mean is

574
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: a sort of colonized desire about an innocent white womanhood. Specifically,

575
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: so Emy Ross really did it for you. I mean

576
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: Rowsom really did it for me. And she was only seventeen.

577
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 1: I know it's sucked up. It's sucked up. And and

578
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: Gerard was like thirty seven and is so miscast. No,

579
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 1: he's not know he was so bad. And you know

580
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,400
Speaker 1: what was supposed to be Antonio Bandera, whoa my god.

581
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 1: And they tried to make Gerard Butler look like Antonio

582
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: Bandera and and if you watch, there's video of Antonio

583
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: banderis performing music from Phantom of the Opera and it's

584
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 1: so incredible. He sounds amazing. And for some reason they

585
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: went with Gerard Butler, who can't sing. No, if there's

586
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 1: one thing we learned from the Shrek franchise, it's that

587
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,760
Speaker 1: Mandaris can say. And they didn't even make him ugly

588
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: like when he does his reveal of his hideous deformity.

589
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 1: It's not that bad. And he's like, you know, he

590
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,879
Speaker 1: got a sunburn. It was truly truly anticlimactic. Yeah, he's

591
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: supposed to be horrifically disfigured, Like we're supposed to see

592
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 1: his brain from Yeah, he's supposed to look like a

593
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: sunken you can see his pulsing brain. Yea. For me,

594
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: I feel like the I feel like the phantom is nonminary.

595
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: I feel like the phantom gives nonminary vibe. Well, I

596
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: think the phantom is an in cell. Yes, well they

597
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: can be that. They could be an a nonminary in cell.

598
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: And the phantom is definitely black pilled, and like that's

599
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: why he kidnaps christ the kind of like makes a

600
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: doll of her now and tells her that he's her

601
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: father as a method of seducing. Well, it's I mean,

602
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: you think about the mechanics of it. So Christine is

603
00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 1: this orphan girl who's in the ballet core at this

604
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 1: Parisian opera and someone starts teaching her music at night,

605
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 1: and she thinks it's the ghost of her dead father,

606
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: and then she finds out it's actually this creepy guy

607
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: wearing a mask who sitting in the rafters of the

608
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: opera on his red and board, Yeah, who is an angel?

609
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: And she's like, yeah, that makes sense. There's a lot

610
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: of freud, which makes sense. Okay, if the Fantom of

611
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: the Opera is non binary but also an in cell.

612
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,160
Speaker 1: And the whole thing about in cells is that they

613
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: hate women. Does the does the Fantom of the opera

614
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: hate half of themselves? Probably? Well, it's like, well with

615
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: in cells, it's like they hate women as a byproduct. Well,

616
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: they hate women, but they hate society and they believe

617
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: because they can't get laid, they believe that that society

618
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: functions in a way in which they will never have

619
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: any happiness. They will and most of that sex sex

620
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: which you know, t and so because of that, you know,

621
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: if they're black pills, they have chosen to totally like

622
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: believe that and like rejects society. And that's what the

623
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: Phantom has done. He lives at a cave under the opera.

624
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I think the Phantom has had sex with Madame Jerry. Though, okay,

625
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 1: this is a Madame Jerry stand podcast. Let's say that

626
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: I think Meg is Madame Jerry and the Phantom's kid,

627
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 1: who's Meg's dad. Okay, well the kiss, so let me

628
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: let me unfortunately break that assumption for you. So we

629
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 1: have we do need to speak briefly of Love Never Dies,

630
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,800
Speaker 1: which is the sequel music holt to Phantom of the

631
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: Opera that Andrewoid Weber wrote. I watched it on YouTube

632
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: in the Deep Pandemic when they go. It is a

633
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 1: sequel to Phantom of the Opera. I'll give you like

634
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:14,439
Speaker 1: a very top line of the plot. So it's set

635
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: ten years after Phantom of the Opera. Um Christine is

636
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: a famous opera sayer. She's married to Raoul, she has

637
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: a kid, and she gets booked to go do this

638
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: carnival Coney Island, which is the whole thing takes place

639
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 1: on Coney And it turns out this carnival is owned

640
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 1: by Phantom, who's actually alive, and he and Christine, right

641
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: after the end of Phantom of the Opera fucked and

642
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: Christine had his child, and what discovers in Love Never

643
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,760
Speaker 1: Dies that Christine's son is his. They get back together.

644
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 1: Raoul is like a drunk gambler who's lost all their money,

645
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: and the show ends with Meg Jerry, who's in love

646
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: with the Phantom shooting and killing Christine, and the Phantom

647
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: and his son are like, I don't believe in the

648
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 1: cannon of love never. I don't either. I I reject

649
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 1: it as cannon. I'm just saying that it exists. It exists,

650
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:12,879
Speaker 1: and it does complicate the idea that Meg is Madame

651
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 1: Jerry in the fancis, Madame Jerry is the ballet madam.

652
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: She's like the mysterious ballet mommy who is also somehow

653
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: connected to the Phantom. And in the movie you find

654
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,080
Speaker 1: out that she saw him in a freak show, yes,

655
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: and helped him escape and helped him get under the

656
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 1: opera house. But that's why I'm like, yeah, so then

657
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: they were they were they were doing it under on

658
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,479
Speaker 1: a rock by a lake on that movie opera house,

659
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:57,279
Speaker 1: on the boat Exactly would we all fuck them? Antha? Yea?

660
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: I have because had enough I read enough Phantom of

661
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,919
Speaker 1: the Opera fan piction that I could confidently say yes,

662
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: I would suck. I think it depends on which Phantom.

663
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 1: For me. I don't think I could Functrard Butler Phantom.

664
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: He's kind of pathetic, Yeah, he's he's kind of snivel.

665
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: He's snivelly. Yeah. The part that I always remember is

666
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: that he has a little a little booger, a little cry. Oh.

667
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 1: You know, phantoms throughout the years have been either like

668
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,440
Speaker 1: when Phantom started, it was like kind of an older

669
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: man is like less hot, and through the years the

670
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: phantoms have gotten hot or I don't know if you've

671
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: ever seen this, but have you ever seen Nicole scherz

672
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:39,560
Speaker 1: Are performing Phantom of I have one hundred, absolutely percent

673
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,440
Speaker 1: seen Nicole her which is a terrible casting for Christine.

674
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: She's way too I'm like, but she sounds yeah, but

675
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: she's had She has an incredible voice, and she had

676
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: a whole moment with Andrew laid Webber. But this performance,

677
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: it's her standing in the middle and then all of

678
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: the famous phantom actor around her, and it looks like

679
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 1: it's about to be like they're about to come on

680
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: her face. Yes, it's full phantom Boukaqiya would would would

681
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? I would watch that on portn Hub

682
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: Phantom Buck It probably exists. I'm sure it does. My

683
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 1: thing about the two thousand four movie is that I

684
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: believe there's a strong, strong, strong lesbian subtext between between

685
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 1: Meg and Christine. Meg who they literally present as like

686
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: a Fooch Dike in that movie. I have a strong

687
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 1: head theory that Meg is in love with Christine and

688
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: you can track her through the movie and what she does.

689
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: A lot of the time when Rawl shows up, Meg

690
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 1: is also there, or Meg is there to be like

691
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 1: I got to see her, or like how can I help?

692
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: How can I rescue her? In the end, it's Meg,

693
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 1: not Raoul, who successfully leads the mob to save Christine.

694
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 1: And she shows up wearing pants. Why is she wearing pants?

695
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: She's a ballet well and in them is called The

696
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: musical ends on Meg's face befure. She picks up the

697
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: mask and then there's a spotlight on her face and

698
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: then it ends. I think in the movie there's more

699
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:15,880
Speaker 1: romantic tension between Christine and Mini Driver, who plays Carlossi Madonna.

700
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: I like that Mini Driver is the best part of

701
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: the movie. Many drivers amazing, her Italian accent completely off

702
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: the wall. Yes, Mini Driver, I will say this, Mini

703
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 1: Drivers the only person in this film who knows what

704
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: movie she's in. Okay, how so I feel like you've

705
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 1: said this before because this movie is camp that knows

706
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 1: it's camp, and everyone else is acting like they're in

707
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: a very serious movie. Didn't, but no one else knew.

708
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: I think maybe many Joel Schumacher knew that. Hue. Let's talk.

709
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the fact that this movie was directed

710
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: by Joel Schumacher, starring Patrick Wilson, the star of Angels

711
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: in America. Yeah, Joel Schumacher, who I think this is

712
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: was his first movie post Batman and Robin Nipples on

713
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: the Campus, Miss Cartoonish. Yes, Joel Schumacher said to Minni Driver, Hey,

714
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: you know you're in a Joel Schumacher movie, right, And

715
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 1: she was like, yeah, I got it, and no one

716
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: else got that. Wigs and wigs. She didn't sing, She

717
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: did not sing. She did not sing. They faked her voice.

718
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: But you know what, I'm happy that they did that

719
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: so that we got Mini Driver in this movie because

720
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 1: she is incredible. And Prima Donna is I think one

721
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: of the high points of the film. I love Prima Donna,

722
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 1: the best character. Good Prima Donna. I think I love her.

723
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: Alatta is like one of my favorite parts of the show.

724
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 1: Carlotta has the most iconic lines in the show. Until

725
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: you stopping these things from happening. This thing does not happen,

726
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: and that happens in the first five minutes of the

727
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:48,759
Speaker 1: movie Drink Think of Me but Rose. Have you seen

728
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: the Anniversary at the Royal Albert Hall, Yeah, with Sara Bogga.

729
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,400
Speaker 1: I love that. I think that one is actually my

730
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 1: favorite version of him. Yeah, well, I think he's the

731
00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 1: Phantom and that is one of my favorite. So he's

732
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: the best, and he's really sexy. He's really really sexy.

733
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:06,720
Speaker 1: I agree with what you said about like in the past,

734
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 1: they're more sort of like older, like a mobster kind

735
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 1: of baritone. It's very daddy vibes, very very daddy. And

736
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: then the guy in the Anniversary version he has like

737
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: a high voice. It's a really different kind of take

738
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: on Phantom. This is insane. The way y'all are nerd

739
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: ing out over these different renditions of Phantom has me shook.

740
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: And do people know this about you? Do people know

741
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: how much you love It's kind of a classic thing

742
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,120
Speaker 1: about me that I love Phantom of them. I'm so

743
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 1: happy that this is bringing us together. I am. I'm

744
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: so when you got so excited, I was like, Okay, great,

745
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna have something to talk about. This is this

746
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: is gonna because no one ever wants to talk about Phantom.

747
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: No real people who really want to talk about Phantom

748
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 1: of the Opera. Why do you think people think it's bad?

749
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,120
Speaker 1: I do think other than the fact that it is bad, well,

750
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 1: I do think it's it is that it is. It

751
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,800
Speaker 1: has the baggage of like being the longest running musical,

752
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: so people think, like, it's just so commercialized. I also

753
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 1: think it's the androloid webber of it all because like,

754
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 1: this is the type of musical he makes this like big, bombastic,

755
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 1: blockbuster musical. Look at cats, look at you know, christ Supersticie.

756
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 1: I feel like people here, I almost have a like

757
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:20,319
Speaker 1: less generous reading, which is that it has the word

758
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: opera in the title, and people think it's an opera

759
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: and instead of musical, and they're like, I don't like opera,

760
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: and it's like, it's a musical in the truest sense

761
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: of the word. It's literally got nothing to do with opera. Honestly,

762
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: that would deter me. It's about an opera, it's about

763
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: several Yeah, merely the backdrop for what is a beautiful musical.

764
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Because I don't actually love opera, but I love Phantom

765
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: of the I love phantoms. I have at home a

766
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: mug that my mom gave me. Um that as you

767
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: add something hot to it, it's a Phantom of the

768
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 1: Opera mug. The Phantom mask fills in and turn white,

769
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 1: and it is my most prize possession. That's that's a

770
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: good mom. And I do like go on et s

771
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: once a month looking for vintage Phantom of the operation.

772
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: Almost bought a vintage Phantom of the Opera shirt when

773
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 1: I was in Houston, Texas. But it was like it

774
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,880
Speaker 1: was like a hundred twenty dollars something that was a

775
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: little too much. I was like, I would pay sixty,

776
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: I would pay seventy five, but not I would have

777
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 1: paid that much. I mean, I paid a hundred dollars

778
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 1: for this wasp shirt that I'm wearing. Did you did

779
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 1: you really need it? Um? Let's just need everyone to know.

780
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Emmy Rossum. What did you think

781
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 1: of her as Christine? Okay, I really really, really really

782
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: think that specifically Emmy Rossum as Christine and Fransom of

783
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: the Opera was the root of deep colonized desire for

784
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:58,320
Speaker 1: me and that for us for for years and years

785
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: and years afterwards, like fifty years afterwards, I had to

786
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: really work to undo this thing about like way fish

787
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 1: white women who need help, like white women with long,

788
00:47:10,080 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: brown haired help, and there are so many of them,

789
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 1: and there are so many, they're very they're very common

790
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,320
Speaker 1: to find, and I have dated all of them. Um,

791
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:26,280
Speaker 1: and that has been Yeah, that's been a real journey

792
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,040
Speaker 1: for me. I am sort of over that now. But

793
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:34,239
Speaker 1: I had a meeting with Emmy Rassam's production company this

794
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: past year and they were like, we love your pilot.

795
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: We're going to send it to Emmy. And I was like,

796
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna like, I like fell out. I was like,

797
00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: we're going to be the phantom. The space between me

798
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: and Emmy Rassam is narrowing, it's going and then the

799
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 1: phantom will be non binary, as I'm at the phantom

800
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: will be absolutely non binary. Yeah. I honestly, I think

801
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: of myself is more of an entree or okay, um,

802
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: who's one of the little goofy opera house guys. Um.

803
00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: An image of the phantom taking off the white mask

804
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 1: and revealing like half girl. Yeah, like like a yeah

805
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,439
Speaker 1: smoky eye and like a gorgeous lit and the other

806
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: a yeah, yeah, I can see it. I could see it.

807
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: I do want to celebrate Joel Schumacher, who once talked

808
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: about how he has slept with ten thousand to twenty

809
00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 1: men for her, Yeah, for her rest in power. King

810
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 1: um who truly like this movie is just more is more,

811
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: like everywhere it's it's just like there is so much

812
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:01,759
Speaker 1: happening on screen at all times, and like none of

813
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:07,840
Speaker 1: it works amazingly. But and also like the editing style,

814
00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: it's like nothing lingers in the right way. It's like

815
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,439
Speaker 1: always cutting on the wrong beat. It's like like it's

816
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: all very like not stylized and like trying to be real.

817
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: And then they do like we'll throw in like a

818
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:25,040
Speaker 1: weird surrealist things like during Phantom of the Opera when

819
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 1: he's leading her down the hallway and like all the

820
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:30,399
Speaker 1: hands are holding the candle. Oh my god, where does

821
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 1: that come from? Where does that come from? Yeah? And

822
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 1: then like when they get down to his underground cavern,

823
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: like it's lit with a million candles, but like the

824
00:49:41,719 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: thing is that happens in the musical because you need

825
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: that because it's on stage, like in a movie, it's

826
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: just too bright, Like why do you have that many candles?

827
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 1: And why are they lifting out of the floor, Like

828
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,400
Speaker 1: that's this is not That's what I mean is that

829
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:59,959
Speaker 1: it's too precious about maintaining things from the stage show

830
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 1: that like don't really translate to film instead of finding

831
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: a new stylistic way to tell this story. But then

832
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: there are some moments where they move away from what

833
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: happens on stage because they want it to like seem

834
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 1: more gritty and realistic, Like how um at the graveyard

835
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,239
Speaker 1: Instead of doing the kind of fireball thing that the

836
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: Phantom does on stage, they have like a sword fight,

837
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: and it's like and more you know, Captain Jack Sparrow,

838
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,040
Speaker 1: how does he? But it's like how does this guy

839
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 1: know how to fight with the sword? He's a genius,

840
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, but what about rawling? He's a savant And

841
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 1: that's like what's a savant? He's like he's like like

842
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: a brilliant composer and like um engineer and like all

843
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:48,319
Speaker 1: these things. I mean, god. He also he also when

844
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: Raoul comes down to save Christine, the Phantom like ties

845
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:53,840
Speaker 1: him to the gate in him. But it's like I

846
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: don't really understand where the tension is there, like what

847
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: he's actually like how he's what what lever is being

848
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: pulled out, but there is a vibe between Raoul and

849
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:08,440
Speaker 1: the Phantom. Obviously, obviously this is a Joel schumacro film.

850
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: I won Patrick Wilson was gredeously. I hate him so much,

851
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: but well, no, I hate the character rall. Yes, That's

852
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: what I really appreciate about the twenty five anniversary version

853
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: is that I feel like it's the only version I've

854
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 1: seen that makes it more clear that like Christine is

855
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: being abused and that like everybody is kind of abusing

856
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:35,879
Speaker 1: her and gaslighting her and disbelieving her and into it.

857
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 1: I feel like the whole musical and this is just

858
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: from what I remember from watching Ages ago, I feel

859
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: like a lot of it is like the engine of

860
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: it is that suspended, is it? Or is it not?

861
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: Like sexual tension between the two of them, because like

862
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean, I you know, don't go

863
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,200
Speaker 1: into this movie being like, oh my god, I'm gonna

864
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 1: fall in love with the Phantom or She's going to

865
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: fall in love with the Phantom. Yeah, because you have

866
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,359
Speaker 1: songs like the Point of No Return, which is so

867
00:51:59,520 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: horny and also inexplicably in the movie, there's a tango

868
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 1: added to it, and it's literally just like because Joel

869
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: Schumacher saw Mulan Rouge and was like, well, I guess

870
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: we need to tango. I guess we need Yeah, her

871
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: shirt falling off of her, off of the seventeen year

872
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: old girl, she looks so she's so skinny in this movie,

873
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: Like her waist is like the size of two of

874
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 1: my fingers. White fragility, white fragile femininity. I learned something

875
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: messed up about that. I really I was so obsessed

876
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:38,319
Speaker 1: with her that I was like collecting um like magazines

877
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: that she was on the cover of. And I realized

878
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 1: one time when I um it was in eighth grade.

879
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 1: It was winter break. I went with my gay best

880
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 1: friend Um, who now is also a non binary person

881
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 1: in the other direction. Um and our other friend Jesse,

882
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 1: who we both like kind of had a crush on

883
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: who is this boy Um? And we went to Borders

884
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: bookstore and I became so their name. I became so

885
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: obsessed with going through the magazines at Borders to find

886
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: Emmi Rassam that in that moment I was like, I

887
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: actually think I care more about this than I care

888
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: about this boy that was like me. When I pretended

889
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 1: to have a cross on Lindsay Lohan. I recollect all

890
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: the magazine covers. That was me looking for magazines with

891
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:28,399
Speaker 1: you and McGregor. In the You and McGregor, we all

892
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 1: sent a lot of time and various parts of borders Orders. Well,

893
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:34,720
Speaker 1: the internet was much smaller than Yeah, I was the magazine.

894
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,399
Speaker 1: You had to look at a real material picture. Yeah.

895
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: One of my favorite recent memories of Phantom was lu

896
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: Anne being at the opening night of Phantom coming back

897
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 1: to Broadway and then Andrew laid webber dje outside. Yes,

898
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: oh my god, Yes that looked amazing because I saw

899
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 1: it the next night and I was so bad I

900
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: wasn't there, probably could have got No. I had an

901
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 1: incredible fam for that. I was like, this was happening.

902
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: What do you think Andrew loid web DJ is like

903
00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: what he was just playing Phantom of the Opera remixes. No,

904
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: he was not. He was you know what they want,

905
00:54:11,640 --> 00:54:13,960
Speaker 1: that's the stupidest and that was also what he wanted,

906
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: and that's what I wanted when I used to be

907
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: a DJ, Like, I had a Phantom of the Opera

908
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: remix that I would often play at sex parties. And

909
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: it's a very jarring thing to come on while you're

910
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: getting the song Phantom of the Opera, will you send it?

911
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,399
Speaker 1: You have to understand that for the people who want

912
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: to see this, this is what like, we want to

913
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 1: see five phantoms all singing like one line, one word

914
00:54:37,920 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 1: of the song alternating we want all the remixing exactly.

915
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 1: We want every single and then every single one of

916
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 1: them steps forward and goes sing for me. And so

917
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:52,200
Speaker 1: what what are Phantom? What are Phantom fans called Phantom fans?

918
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: pH a Phantom? Okay, so phantoms? Um, I feel like

919
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 1: you know you're seeing for me is like you know,

920
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: Wicked Stanza. Wow, you know what I mean? Nothing nothing

921
00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: sends full body shivers up my spine like hearing the

922
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 1: dun d d d dandom because the rod is about

923
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: to start. It's about to start. Buckle up. Um. I mean,

924
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:22,520
Speaker 1: I feel like I've been inducted into the fandom and

925
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that emphasis. You're welcome. Yeah, it's also

926
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: okay if not. I feel like Phantom of the Opera

927
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:35,840
Speaker 1: is there's like there's people who had weird gay sexual

928
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: awakenings about Phantom of the Opera and people who had

929
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: weird gay sexual awakenings about cats. And they're all here today. Yeah,

930
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: I didn't have it about cats. That's not my andrewlaid Webber.

931
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: I'm choking for Phoebe. Okay, so producer Phoebe Prucer Phoebe

932
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:58,879
Speaker 1: just said that for her, this is she is more

933
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:02,279
Speaker 1: into Jesus a superstar, which is not something I have

934
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: any experience. I've never seen. I think Jesus Christ Superstar

935
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:07,839
Speaker 1: is in the same way that I said, people would

936
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: eliminate Phantom of the Opera for having opera and the title.

937
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:15,080
Speaker 1: I sort of eliminated Jesus Christ Superstar Jesus Christ. I

938
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 1: was like, this is not for me. Yeah, the Phantom

939
00:56:17,840 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: is my Jesus. I want to see him to be

940
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 1: crucified exactly. He might be at some point maybe in

941
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: Love Never Dies. Truly. If there is a Phantom of

942
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: the Opera new movie or like limited series or something,

943
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 1: I need to write on it. Not a limited series,

944
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: so funny, a Phantom limited series, I mean that takes

945
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: place in the modern day, like it still has to

946
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: be period Phantom of the Opera. And there have been well,

947
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,960
Speaker 1: there have been a lot of Phantom adaptations, and some

948
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: of them are like more contemporary, Like there's the Phantom

949
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:54,239
Speaker 1: of the Multiplex, which is like the weirdest one I've

950
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 1: seen a Um do you guys know um Takarrasca the

951
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: Japanese like all few male theater. True. Okay, so this

952
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 1: is a thing. It's a Japanese all female theater true,

953
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:08,200
Speaker 1: where they do these long, sweeping musicals and women play

954
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:11,120
Speaker 1: all the roles, including man. And it's specifically a thing,

955
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:14,839
Speaker 1: specifically a thing that you're seeing these women dressed as

956
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 1: like sexy sexy men, and women go to see these

957
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 1: shows to see these like perfect men who are And

958
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: they did a version of Phantom of the Opera, which

959
00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,640
Speaker 1: I want to see that it was its own. It's

960
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: not the Andrewoid Weber musical. They did their own adaptation

961
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:32,560
Speaker 1: of Phantom. You can find it on the internet. There

962
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,480
Speaker 1: were no subtitles though, so so you're just kind of

963
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: piece of spider. Yeah, just vibe. Um. I can't believe

964
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: there's a phantom at the Multiplex, and I guess a

965
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 1: phantom at the all women's Japanese. There's a there's a

966
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: lot of different phantom at this at the Staples Center.

967
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: Phantom of Fire Island, Fire Island. That is going to

968
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: be you. That is going to be you sing for

969
00:57:56,360 --> 00:58:13,919
Speaker 1: me at your Disease Mystery. Next week we'll be back

970
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:18,440
Speaker 1: with an episode on tight tanic Um. They called her

971
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: the Ship of Dreams, and she was. It's been eighty

972
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: four years, but it will only be a week until

973
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: we talk about titan And next week Ross will do

974
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: an hour of radio theater the themed around the Titanic.

975
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: Why don't you come over and suck in the That

976
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 1: is actually every it's every single character has a Transatlantic accent.

977
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,200
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