1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:07,160 Speaker 1: M what's part in my twos? I'm Robert Evans, host 2 00:00:07,240 --> 00:00:11,119 Speaker 1: behind the Bastards. Uh, this is what what what? What is? 3 00:00:11,200 --> 00:00:13,320 Speaker 1: What is what? What is what? The last ye, Sophie, 4 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: let's part in my twos. That's a solid introduction. I 5 00:00:18,960 --> 00:00:23,160 Speaker 1: think you nailed it, Thank you, Jack. Sophie is being 6 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: mean to me because she's the bastard of this episode. 7 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Um well really how mean she is to me? Yeah? 8 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: You know, I'm still building to that one. Uh. This 9 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 1: is the show about the worst people in all the history, obviously, 10 00:00:42,240 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: And in last episode we talked about James O'Keefe, the 11 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 1: patron saint of news grifters, and in this episode we're 12 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: going to talk about I don't know, he hasn't worked 13 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: with O'Keefe, but you might call him his spiritual disciple, 14 00:00:54,440 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: a fella named Andy No. Uh. Now, James O'Keeffe is 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: higher profile than have you heard a thing about Andy No? Jack? 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 1: A recent attest started seeing people tweet about him and yeah, 17 00:01:05,760 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: I saw the hammer thing that happened. Yeah, that was 18 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: him where he claimed the Antifa attacked somebody with a 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 1: hammer and it was actually then being at that Yeah. Yeah, 20 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: And Andy's a frequent guest on Tucker Carlson. He's very influential. 21 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 1: He just hasn't been around as long as O'Keefe in 22 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: the media sphere, so he's not quite as well known, 23 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: although he's getting to be that way, so it's probably 24 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: good for us to talk about him today. Uh Andy 25 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: Kuong No was born in Portland, Oregon, at some point 26 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:38,119 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighties six. I don't have an exact birth 27 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: date for the guy. His parents had immigrated from Vietnam 28 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: via boat slightly less than a decade before. They've been 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: forced into re education camps by the country's government, which 30 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: may explain some of the political attitudes that No inherited. 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: As a young man, No intended U c l A 32 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,440 Speaker 1: and volunteered with AmeriCorps. He graduated in two thousand nine 33 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: with a graphic design degree. Like roughly forty scent of 34 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the people I went to college with, and like all 35 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: of my friends, he was unable to find any work 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: because graphic design degrees were essentially a scam played upon 37 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:11,760 Speaker 1: members of my generation. Uh He was forced to take 38 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: work as a photographer for a used car lot, and 39 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: he spent a lot of time unemployed. No would later 40 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,760 Speaker 1: tell BuzzFeed quote. My brain wasn't a stupor. I couldn't 41 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: spend the rest of my life going from minimum wage 42 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: job to minimum wage job. It's pretty sympathetic so far. 43 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,239 Speaker 1: A lot of us have been there. Uh, like many 44 00:02:29,280 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: millennials who realized they'd been grifted by the system into 45 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: taking on buckets of student loan debt for a degree 46 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: that wouldn't actually get them a job, and he turned 47 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 1: back towards the only thing that made sense to him, 48 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: more school and more student loan debt. In two thousand 49 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 1: and fifteen, he enrolled in a master's program and political 50 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: science at Portland State University. So yeah, that's this guy's 51 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: story so far. Now. No had been raised Buddhist and 52 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: converted to Christianity in high school, but he became an 53 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: atheist in the mid oughts. In two thousand twelve, he 54 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: attended a Portland convention of the Freedom From Legion Foundation. 55 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: As he got drawn into Internet atheist circles, he grew 56 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: increasingly concerned about Islam. This was heightened in two thousand, 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,640 Speaker 1: fourteen and fifteen as the Islamic state rose to prominence. 58 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 1: No became fascinated with radicalism, and not just the Muslim kind. 59 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: As social justice causes became more prominent across American campuses, 60 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: Andy No grew concerned that a frenzy was overtaking American culture. 61 00:03:22,840 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: According to a BuzzFeed profile quote, he attended an event 62 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: at PSU where he said white students weren't allowed to speak, 63 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: and another where he said a black student said she 64 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: feared that she would be killed on campus by a 65 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 1: white supremacist. I'm from this city, No remembered thinking, and 66 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: they believe Portland's state is a place where there are 67 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: a white racist all over who can come out but 68 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: at any time and kill you. It didn't seem to 69 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: fit with reality. More than that, No thought he saw 70 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: parallels with the Marxist Revolution his parents had lived through 71 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: in Vietnam. I was deeply curious on how those beliefs 72 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: could take root in my family's adopted hometown. So a 73 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: couple of things to note, one of which is that 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: Oregon was literally founded as a white supremacist state, and 75 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: there have been several very well documented murders of black 76 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: people by white supremacists in Portland itself within the last 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:13,520 Speaker 1: couple of decades, so it's well it was attempted a 78 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: guy named Jeremy Christian carried out an attack on a 79 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: Portland Max train where he was threatening violence on two 80 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 1: young Muslim women, one of him was black, and two 81 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: other passengers intervened and were stabbed to death protecting them. 82 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: That was so. Yeah, there's a reason to be scared 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,560 Speaker 1: of white supremacists if you live in the city of Portland. Yeah. 84 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: What a silly claim that woman was making. Yes, Yes, 85 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: stupid of her to be worried, uh about white supremacists 86 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: who have only killed a couple of people in Oregon recently, 87 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 1: as opposed to worried about Muslims who have killed zero 88 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: oregon Ians. Uh. In by being attacked and thus drawing 89 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: that person to uh defend her, wasn't that woman? Uh 90 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: sort of responsible? She was? She was. If she had 91 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 1: just not been on the bus, there would have been 92 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: no attack. Yeah. I mean, there's two sides here. There's 93 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:17,480 Speaker 1: two sides here, both sides of this one. Robert. Yeah, 94 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: that does remind me of how it was explained to 95 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: me traffic rules work for foreigners in Japan that if 96 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 1: you're a foreigner and you're involved in a traffic altercation, 97 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,799 Speaker 1: it's generally viewed as your fault because if you hadn't 98 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: moved to Japan, the crash wouldn't happen. Um, yeah, now, 99 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: no claims. All of this stuff pushed him into becoming 100 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: a free speech activist and a journalist. He joined the 101 00:05:43,080 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Portland State Vanguard, a school paper, as its multimedia editor. 102 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: In two thousands seventeen, he showed up at an interfaith 103 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: talk at the university called Unpacking Misconceptions. During the talk, 104 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: a Muslim student was asked for their interpretation of chronic 105 00:05:56,360 --> 00:05:58,680 Speaker 1: law and how it would apply to non Muslims living 106 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,600 Speaker 1: in an Islamic state if that country applied the strictest 107 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: interpretations of chronic law. The student responded that, based on 108 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: her understanding, non Muslims would be asked to leave the country. 109 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: The implication is that they would be killed if they 110 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,719 Speaker 1: did not. Another Muslim immediately argued against this interpretation of 111 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,359 Speaker 1: the law, which is, by the way, absolutely not what 112 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: the Koran says. It's actually the opposite of a bunch 113 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: of ship. Mohammed said, Uh, if you're a Muslim and 114 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: running a society according to like the rules Mohammed set out, 115 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: you're actually required to treat people of the book in 116 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: certain ways and protect them. Um, but no, ignored that 117 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 1: other students response, and ignored the fact that the first 118 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: response had been to a theoretical question, not the student 119 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,599 Speaker 1: being asked what they wanted. He tweeted a video clip 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 1: of just the response with the words at Portland State 121 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 1: inter Faith panel today, the Muslim student speakers said that 122 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: Apple States will be killed or banished in an Islamic state. 123 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: Sounds great. Journalism would say it at an all faiths 124 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, college. Yeah, and we see kind of the 125 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: same O'Keefe, tach dick where you you you pick out 126 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: just the answer to a question that if you strip 127 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: it up all context sounds bad. But if included with context, 128 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 1: is just people having a discussion. Um, but you don't 129 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,000 Speaker 1: include the discussion because the news story is just that clip. 130 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: Um yeah. It was a moment perfectly crafted for the 131 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: right wing rage machine. Bright Bart quickly farted out a 132 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: news story titled Muslim student claims that nonbelievers will be 133 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: killed in Islamic countries. So the fallout all this was significant. 134 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Andy was fired from the newspaper, which led to more 135 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: rage from the right as they rallied around their victimized 136 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: truth teller. Andy was allowed to write an op ed 137 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,840 Speaker 1: for The National Review where he basically claimed that he 138 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: had been let go for exposing the moral bankruptcy at 139 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: the heart of multiculturalism. The Vanguard's editor said that Andy 140 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: had been fired instead for oversimplifying the student's answered to 141 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:52,200 Speaker 1: the point of rank and accuracy. The editor also noted 142 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: that Andy seemed baffling le and dangerously focused on Islam, 143 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: despite the fact that very few Muslim people live anywhere 144 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: in Oregon and there have been no Islamic terrorist attacks 145 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: in the state of note uh now that any hope 146 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: of Yeah, so at this point, any hope of career, 147 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,440 Speaker 1: of Andy's career as a legitimate journalist had been shot, 148 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 1: and Andy no moved on to the refuge of all 149 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: shameless partisan hacks. Are they suggesting that nine eleven was 150 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,560 Speaker 1: not an attack on all of America? Because that's bullshit. 151 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 1: We were all attacked that day, all right, we were 152 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: all attacked that day. I mean, I guess fair on 153 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: your joke too. I'm sure in Oregon ian or two 154 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: died in that attack, But yeah, I don't know. It's 155 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: just it's telling that his focus is entirely on Islam, 156 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: when if you look at the problem of political and 157 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: religious violence in Oregon. Um, that's not really a big 158 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: issue there. Um. Yeah. So and he moves on to 159 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: podcasting after he gets kicked out of the newspaper. Uh. 160 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: And I hate to admit it, Jack, but he kind 161 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: of picked a perfect title for his new show, You 162 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: want to You want to guess what Andy No calls 163 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: his podcast, uh something with his last name you. Yeah, 164 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: it is something, It's Yeah. He called it Things you 165 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Should Know. Mm hmmmmm wow. I mean yes, And he 166 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: already has a job, so I can't go out and 167 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: hire him on the spot. No, No, you can't. Um. 168 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,760 Speaker 1: I mean I was ripping him off when I pitched 169 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,439 Speaker 1: the title for this podcast initially as Things you should 170 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: Robert Evans. Um. We we didn't go with that for 171 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:36,839 Speaker 1: some reason. But I mean, maybe we could sue him 172 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: for copyright infringement for stuff you should Know? Yes, you 173 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: should know? So. Uh. Andy's guests were men like Jordan Peterson, 174 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: YouTuber Sargon of a Cod, Dave Ruben, and other alt 175 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: right in intellectual dark Web figures. But podcasting is hard 176 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: and only super profitable if you have the voice of 177 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: a Greek god like us, or you happen to be 178 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: Joe Rogan. Like Joe Rogan, uh so, Andy No looked 179 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: towards the and a highly lucrative example set by what 180 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: I liked that Yeah, that part was fun to write. Um. Yeah, 181 00:10:12,760 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: so Andy looked towards the highly lucrative example set by 182 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: James O'Keeffe. Uh Andy had already succeeded in making one 183 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: story go viral on the right wing, and unfortunately he 184 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: hadn't moved quick enough to properly capitalize on the opportunity. 185 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: So he set to work crafting another viral piece of 186 00:10:27,520 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: fake news and the hope that it, too would set 187 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: the right wing rage machine a light and direct donations 188 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: to his patreon. On August twenty nine, two eighteen, Andy 189 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: No published an article titled a Visit to Islamic England 190 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: on the Wall Street Journal. I'm just gonna read how 191 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 1: this article opened a visit to Islamic England. The subheading 192 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,760 Speaker 1: is Muslims headed to Friday prayer while non Muslims went 193 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 1: the other way. No one made eye contact. Here's how 194 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: it opens London. Other tourists may remember London for its 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,200 Speaker 1: spectacular sites in history, but I remember it for his um. 196 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: When I was visiting the UK as a teenager in 197 00:11:02,520 --> 00:11:04,400 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, I got lost in an East 198 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: London market. There I saw a group of women wearing 199 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 1: head to toe black cloaks. I froze, confused and intimidated 200 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 1: by the faceless figures. It was my first encounter within 201 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: Ni Cobb, which covers everything but a woman's eyes. Yeah. 202 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: I did actually include this in the script. But there's 203 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: literally a quote from Adolph Hitler where he's talking about 204 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 1: how he first realized the Jews were dangerous, where he 205 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: talks about seeing a fundamentalist Jewish man wearing like the 206 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 1: hair locks and the yamaka in public in Vienna, and 207 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: like he said, I found myself asking first is this 208 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: a Jew? And then is this a German? Like that? 209 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: That's literally something Adolph Hitler wrote about, like his like 210 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 1: that's how Andy opens this fucking article. Um, this was 211 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:53,280 Speaker 1: published in what publications? The Wall Street motherfucking journal what, 212 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: which you might remember, Google considers to be the most 213 00:11:56,600 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: credible source. Yeah, I mean because they over both sides, 214 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: the cified of people from other cultures and and the 215 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 1: other side. Yeah, it's um, it's pretty wild. Now. The 216 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: article was torn apart by people who actually live in England, which, 217 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: in case you were not aware, Jack is not an 218 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: Islamic state. Muslims makeup roughly five percent of the English population. No, 219 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: he just saw one one of them and it scared him. 220 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 1: It scared him. People weren't making eye contact Jack. Yeah. 221 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 1: And also this is a story of a time he 222 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: got scared in two thousand six. Yeah, I think so. Yeah, Yeah, 223 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: I think he went more recently for the article, like 224 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: for the like he he opens it with a story 225 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: of himself there in two thousand and six. He's a 226 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: bit of an anglophile, but he he went back for 227 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: the article. Um, so you know that that. I should 228 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: note that in fairness, In more fairness, I should note 229 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: that exaggerations and outright bullshit were very common in the article. 230 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: At one point, Andy No complained about seeing a sign 231 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,199 Speaker 1: that called a neighborhood and alcohol restricted zone. Without doing 232 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: any further research, Like a journalist, Andy just assumed that 233 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,520 Speaker 1: since alcohol is haram from Muslims, they were behind this 234 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: nefarious sign. The reality is that this neighborhood was an 235 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 1: alcohol free zone due to a public safety ordinance created 236 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,319 Speaker 1: to stem a massive public drunkenness problem. Alcohol itself was 237 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 1: not banned, just street drinking. But of course Andy did 238 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:31,720 Speaker 1: no digging and blamed Muslims for banning alcohol in this neighborhood. 239 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,439 Speaker 1: Muslims for the fact that you're not allowed to drink 240 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:41,959 Speaker 1: on the street in America. Yeah, it's it's fucking wild man. Yeah, 241 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: I I do shout that regularly at police when they 242 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 1: arrest me for public drunkenness. What is this isis? Yeah, 243 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: I should note that I've spent time, like, obviously there 244 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: are Muslim countries where alcohol is forbidden or very difficult 245 00:13:57,000 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 1: to acquire. But I have gotten so drunk in so 246 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,960 Speaker 1: many Muslim majority nations and never had a problem with it, 247 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 1: and met so many Muslims who were like, oh, yeah, 248 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: we drink too, it's fine, Like it's it's like you 249 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: meet a lot of Jewish people who eat shellfish, you know. 250 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: But for whatever reason, because conservatives are scared of Muslims, 251 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: they assume that it's some like hardcore dictate that every 252 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 1: one of them follows, which like if you've ever, I 253 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:26,120 Speaker 1: don't know, I've I've gotten drunk with a lot of 254 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: young women in head scarfs, Like it's it's far from 255 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: universally applied. I didn't make eye contact with you. How 256 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: did you manage to unfreeze yourself while you were around 257 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: those women? I mean, I will say they were not 258 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: wearing the cobs. Have never gotten drunk with somebody wearing 259 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: the full na cob. Those people tend to be much 260 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: more serious about the letter of of of Islamic Jewish 261 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 1: prudence or whatever you call it. But um yeah uh now. 262 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:55,160 Speaker 1: In response to complaints about his shitty article, Andy wrote 263 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: a follow up in The American Spectator, another right wing 264 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,320 Speaker 1: news site. Here's how he tried to defend him self. 265 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: These vitriolic attacks all seized on my mistake over the 266 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 1: sign as evidence of my prejudice against Muslims. In fact, 267 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: it was just trying and perhaps sometimes failing, to describe 268 00:15:08,840 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: what I saw. I admit to having been surprised by 269 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: quite how segregated some parts of Britain have become. I 270 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 1: tried it to make judgments about that, But what I 271 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: believe to be true is that Britain's multicultural policies had 272 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,520 Speaker 1: produced with Nobel Prize winning economist Martya Sin calls plural 273 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: monol culturism. That is, different communities or mono cultures existing 274 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: side by side with literally to no interaction with one another, 275 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: which I don't know if you've ever seen what drunken 276 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: British people eat when they're out on the street, which 277 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 1: tends to be donner Kebab's like like, there's there's plenty 278 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: of interchange, and so he's saying that. He was actually 279 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: talking about how the cultures don't interact enough. It was 280 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: his was his issue. But he's the one who in 281 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: the story that opens the piece, freezes and terror when 282 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: he sees a Muslim woman. Yeah, I think, as as 283 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: is generally true with bigots, his writing reveals his own 284 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: prejudices more than it does any actual problems at the 285 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 1: core of British culture or multiculturalism as a whole. So uh. Sadly, 286 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,960 Speaker 1: this article did not succeed in making Annie Know a 287 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 1: household name or hurning him a spot with an outfit 288 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: like Project Veritas, so he kept going. In the wake 289 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:21,360 Speaker 1: of the Jesse Smollett case, he started keeping a running 290 00:16:21,400 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: tally of fake hate crimes, which he would collect and 291 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: cover in articles with titles like Inventing Victimhood and hate 292 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: Crime Hoaxes Reflect America's sickness, and he also took to 293 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: the streets live streaming and writing about the escalating series 294 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: of violent political rallies that have rocked Portland since the 295 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: two thousand sixteen election. In October of eighteen, he showed 296 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: up at a peaceful rally by the activist group Don't 297 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: Shoot Portlands, a march raising awareness for the police killing 298 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,720 Speaker 1: of Patrick Kimmins, a twenty seven year old black man. 299 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 1: This was a fairly tame and orderly march. The only 300 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,160 Speaker 1: really negative moment came when a driver made an a 301 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: legal right hand turn and hit some protesters who were 302 00:16:56,800 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 1: legally crossing a crosswalk. This led several protests just to 303 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: hit the driver's vehicle. One protester shoved the driver. No 304 00:17:03,960 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: one was seriously hurt, and the driver was allowed to 305 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 1: pull away. A reasonable person might conclude that the protesters 306 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: raged at the driver was understandable, given that he'd driven 307 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: a car into them, and given the car based terrorist 308 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 1: attack on protesters in Charlottesville a year before. But a 309 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 1: right wing radio station w CBM retweeted footage of one 310 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: angle of the altercation, edited to remove all context of 311 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: the event. They tweeted out with this, Antifa anarchists threatened 312 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 1: elderly driver in Portland. The story spread across white right 313 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: wing media. One of the people who helped to spread 314 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:39,479 Speaker 1: it was Andy no Uh nose tweets eventually reached Tucker Carlson, 315 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: and Mr Carlson had Andy no on as a guest 316 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: to discuss the attack. So that's what we're gonna listen 317 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: to next. But first, Sophie is informing me via vociferously 318 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 1: waved fingers that it is time for an ad break. 319 00:17:52,520 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: So yep, yep, what what's what's an ad break? Well, act, 320 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 1: I don't know if you realize this, but the money 321 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: in podcasting comes from a collection of advertisers who who 322 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:13,159 Speaker 1: support our our content with their products and services and 323 00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 1: the advertising petro dollars that they generate. Um petro dollars. Yeah, 324 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: I try to use that term once a day. Um. 325 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,199 Speaker 1: I usually just shouted at people on the street as 326 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: I drive past. But today it's going to be in 327 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: a podcast. Products we're back, so uh, we're talking about 328 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: you know, this car hits protesters. Some of them hit 329 00:18:40,160 --> 00:18:42,879 Speaker 1: the car back because they're angry getting hit by a car, 330 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: and uh. The story spreads and right wing media as 331 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:50,240 Speaker 1: anarchists threatening an elderly driver. UM. Dr Carlson has Andy 332 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: No on to discuss the event the attack. Uh. The 333 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: on screen shiron above their below the discussion is antipha 334 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 1: violence out of control. So I'm gonna play a ship 335 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: from that. Here's Andy no talking to Tucker Carlson. Some 336 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: of the footage you showed was recorded over the weekend 337 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 1: on Saturday by Brandon Farley, and that was a protest 338 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: organized by Don't Shoot Portland's, which is a Black Lives 339 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:19,120 Speaker 1: Matter type of group. They were protesting the police involved 340 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: shooting of a man who is suspective of shooting two people. 341 00:19:24,640 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: The police here, um take a pretty hands off approach 342 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:33,600 Speaker 1: much of the time with protesters. And what you saw 343 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:38,640 Speaker 1: on Saturday in the video is that demonstrators were allowed 344 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: to take over a street in downtown Portland and direct 345 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: traffic and threatened drivers stop traffic while the police looked 346 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: on from a block away because they were afraid of 347 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: inflaming the situation. So, um, there's a couple of things 348 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 1: you might have noticed from that video. One of them 349 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 1: is and he's accent was as Yeah, that's his fake 350 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: British accent um, which he has affected since he became 351 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: a media personality. I want to reiterate that he was 352 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 1: born and raised in Portland, Oregon. I was so confused 353 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: by that. Yeah, yeah, he he pretends to be British. 354 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 1: Sounds like what's his name, Sebastian Gorka. Yeah, he's not 355 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: good at having a fake British accent, but I think 356 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: he's he's a real Anglo file. Um. Yeah, he's He 357 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: sounds a little bit like Frasier Crane. Um. Yeah. Now 358 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 1: the other thing you may have noticed is that in 359 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: this interview he basically describes the police as ignoring anti fascists. 360 00:20:39,119 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: At one point, he says that the response to Antifa 361 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: has been hands off in the city of Portland. I 362 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: should note that he described this response as hands off 363 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 1: five months after Portland police opened fire with grenades upon 364 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: a crowd of anti fascist activists. One man was shot 365 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:54,120 Speaker 1: in the back of the head the less than lethal 366 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: munition cractice skull and would have killed him had he 367 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 1: not been wearing a helmet. Um. But that hands off 368 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 1: them with their hands I mean with Truncheon's hands off technically. 369 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: Uh so. The faux outrage over this non incident helped 370 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: inspire a patriot prayer rally organized by the group's leader, 371 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: Joey Gibson, which he called Flash March for Law and 372 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: Order in Portland. The march provided onlookers with a great 373 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: example of what happens when these far right rallies are 374 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: not met by an organized anti fascist presence. Right wing 375 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: brawlers assaulted numerous people on the street as scattered anti 376 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: fascists struggled to respond. You can find video of right 377 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 1: wing gang members stomping on people and punching them unprovoked. 378 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: This happened a matter of days after a group of 379 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:39,040 Speaker 1: Proud Boys ran rough shot over a neighborhood in New 380 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: York City, assaulting outnumbered counter protesters. Now andy No hadn't 381 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: filmed the video of the car assault that Tucker Carlson publicized, 382 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: but he had helped spread it, and by showing up 383 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,360 Speaker 1: on Carlson's show pretending to be a non biased journalist 384 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:54,720 Speaker 1: in making anti fascists look dangerous, he'd found a lucrative 385 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: niche for himself, the one that he had been looking 386 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 1: for all his career. So a little bit after that 387 00:22:00,960 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 1: video went viral, another video went viral on Tucker Carlson's 388 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: The Daily Caller as a result of a tweet that 389 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: Andy No had sent out on the surface. This video 390 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,120 Speaker 1: showed a left wing activist yelling at a woman who 391 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: claimed to be a nine eleven widow. She was not 392 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,959 Speaker 1: actually a nine eleven widow. She was lying about that, 393 00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: but Tucker Carlson credited No with bringing the video to 394 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: a site's attention, although No had not actually filmed it. 395 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: The video ignited the right wing rage machine and sent 396 00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: hundreds of extremely online conservatives into a doxing frenzy. Unfortunately, 397 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: they were bad at it, and rather than doxing the 398 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,720 Speaker 1: actual activists, they docked a professional skateboarder that they misidentified 399 00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: as the culprit. When the actual dude was finally identified, 400 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: he received mass death threats, as did the social service 401 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: agency who employed him. According to a round guptam who 402 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,600 Speaker 1: interviewed a source at the agency, it was quote flooded 403 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,120 Speaker 1: with hundreds of harassing calls and Facebook messages that were 404 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: explicitly racist and threatening to harm and kill staff. So 405 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: this has going on for months on end Andy No 406 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: publicizing and often editing misleading videos to sick angry conservatives 407 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: on coal Portland activists, many of them have received death 408 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: threats as a result of this. In an article for 409 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,679 Speaker 1: the left wing website Jacobin. Gupta notes quote Jacobin has 410 00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:11,760 Speaker 1: talked to six people in Portland, including journalists, political officials, 411 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: and activists, who described harassing messages and threats of violence 412 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: resulting from nose work or political involvement in Portland. Friends 413 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: of two other activists claim they went into hiding after 414 00:23:20,560 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: No spread their names and they became targets of harassment. 415 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 1: Some individuals who's tangled publicly with No are reluctant to 416 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: go on their record. They say they want to avoid 417 00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 1: the trauma of being subjected to a new round of 418 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: death threats. In fact, and you know, seems to rely 419 00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,280 Speaker 1: on people not speaking of about his effect on them. 420 00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 1: He often writes of how activists won't talk to him 421 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: or how they take down social media profiles after he 422 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: focuses on them, seeming to imply they have something to hide. Madison, 423 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: a Portland activists who tracks No, says No signals that 424 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: this is a person that should be targeted, should be harassed, 425 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: and should be threatened, and he puts a target on them, 426 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: and that results in the person being doxed, and he 427 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: is giving people explicit permission to unleash hatred and violence 428 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 1: on people. He absolutely knows what he's doing, knows what 429 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 1: he's doing. Uh, you did it. Yeah, I can do 430 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,040 Speaker 1: the thing that he does. Yep, yep, it is okay 431 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: for us to do because he did it. Um. Now 432 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: we're actually gonna run into another case like that a 433 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: little later. Uh nos role in stoking harassment against against 434 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: individuals he disagrees with goes even deeper than that. See. 435 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: Andy is now an editor at the far right website Quilette, which, 436 00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,719 Speaker 1: among other things, runs articles that advocate for a cleaned up, 437 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: modern version of phrenology. Earlier this year, Quilette ran an 438 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: article by a researcher named Yoin uh Lenihan. On its surface, 439 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: the article purported to be a groundbreaking study laying out 440 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: a network of journalists who were secretly connected to Antifa. Now, 441 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: the reality is that Yoin is no more a researcher 442 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: than I am a tennis pro. His idea of being 443 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:51,479 Speaker 1: connected to Antifa was no deeper than tracking journalists who 444 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: followed at least sixteen verified Antifa accounts and wrote articles 445 00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,920 Speaker 1: he considered sympathetic to anti fascists. There are a number 446 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:01,879 Speaker 1: of reasons this is absurd. For example, I follow at 447 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: least sixteen anti fascist accounts. I also follow Augustus and Victus, 448 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: a literal neo Nazi running for president. I followed members 449 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: of numerous right wing, extremist and terrorist groups on Twitter, 450 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 1: because as a journalist, that's kind of what you do now. 451 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,440 Speaker 1: The Independent, in coverage of this even noted that Quilett's 452 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: founding editor, Claire Lehman, follows more than sixteen white nationalist 453 00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: accounts on Twitter. But the fact that Lenihan was a 454 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: complete fraud with no academic credentials, and the fact that 455 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: his study was nonsense had no impact on Quilette. The 456 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 1: study spread like wildfire through the fever swamps of the 457 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 1: right and eventually made its way into the phones and 458 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: computers of actual Nazi terrorists. One white nationalists tied to 459 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: the Adam Waffen Division, posted a YouTube video that showed 460 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: pictures of several of the journalists named in the Quilette article. 461 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,239 Speaker 1: The video was titled Sunset the Media, and it not 462 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 1: so subtly suggested that these people should be murdered. The 463 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: video ended with a quote from James Mason, a neo 464 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: Nazi terrorist and author of the book Siege, which is 465 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: a guide for how to commit terrorism. The quote was 466 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: about so called lone wolf attacks. Mason said quote, I 467 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: do not urge anyone to do anything like that, but 468 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: when it gets done, I won't disown them. Jesus. Now, 469 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: this all kind of pisces me off because a lot 470 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 1: of the people named in the article and in that video, 471 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,400 Speaker 1: our colleagues and friends of mine. The Quilette article made 472 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:20,199 Speaker 1: it onto Stormfront and neo Nazi message board, the FBI 473 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 1: has tied to more than a hundred murders, and it's 474 00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:24,600 Speaker 1: led to a lot of death threats from different groups 475 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,639 Speaker 1: towards journalists who are really good reporters. By publishing the 476 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: shot a piece of crap journalism, the editors at Quilette 477 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: endangered the lives of innocent people. One of those people 478 00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 1: was reporter Shane Burley, he noted in an article for 479 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: The Independent. Quote in a tweet, Quilette contributor Andy No 480 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:44,320 Speaker 1: attempted to identify us and others as covert Antifa ideologues 481 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: posing as experts for willing journalists, all of whom apparently 482 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: have joined together in a plot to create some kind 483 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: of media Antifa industrial complex. So you can see why 484 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people in Portland are not exactly big 485 00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: fans of Mr Andy No. Their distaste for him would 486 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:03,200 Speaker 1: intensify after May one, two thousand nineteen. Now Portland is 487 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,800 Speaker 1: obviously a very left wing city, and made a marches 488 00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: are common there due to the sheer number of leftist 489 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 1: activists in the streets. Right wing protesters like Joey Gibson, 490 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,280 Speaker 1: Patriot Prayer, and Century Proud Boys avoided hosting a single 491 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: event where they would be swamped and swarmed, and instead 492 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 1: traveled around in a small group, demasking people and generally trolling. 493 00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, they headed to a 494 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: popular anti fascist hang out in the city named Cider Riot. 495 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 1: Now cider Riot is a bar, although they get angry 496 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: if you call them a bar and prefer the term 497 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:31,879 Speaker 1: CIDERI I'm going to be referring to them as a 498 00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 1: bar because they're a bar. Uh. Sorry, cider right. Uh. 499 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 1: Joey Gibson and a group of his goons showed up 500 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 1: there with Andy No in tow and assaulted several people there. 501 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: Ian Kramer, a member of Patriot Prayer, whipped out a 502 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:50,159 Speaker 1: telescoping baton and shattered a young woman's vertebrae with it. 503 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:53,679 Speaker 1: The attack is on video and it is entirely unprovoked. 504 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 1: There was no fight, just a violent assault that you 505 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: could very fairly call attempted murder. Hey, everybody, one quick 506 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,400 Speaker 1: bit of clarification. When I say there was no fight, 507 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 1: like there was a big brawl going on at cider 508 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: Riot that was started initially when some guys from Patriot 509 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: Prayer began macing the people at Cider Riot and they 510 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 1: sprayed mace back, and it eventually evolved into throwing stuff 511 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 1: and then a fist fight. Um. When I say there 512 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: was no fight, I mean that the young woman whose 513 00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: vertebrate was broken was not fighting. She in fact had 514 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,160 Speaker 1: her back turn to Ian Cramer at the time when 515 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:25,320 Speaker 1: he swung at her. So I just wanted to clarify 516 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: on that point. Now. In recent days, there have been 517 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: a number of arrests I think six so far due 518 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: to the May Day attack, but we're gonna get to 519 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,520 Speaker 1: that later. In the immediate wake of the attack, is 520 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: Portland Local shared video of the brutal assault, Andy publicly 521 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: doubted on Twitter whether the woman had suffered any kind 522 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: of serious injury. He also docked her in a tweet 523 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 1: in which he claimed, without proof that she had committed 524 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: crimes at a previous event. His tweet read the anti 525 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,480 Speaker 1: full woman who got knocked out cold at may Day 526 00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 1: is and he gave her name. She is the person 527 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,479 Speaker 1: who tried to shut down the James to More Portland 528 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: State panel last year by sabotaging and damaging sound equipment. Now, 529 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 1: as you might imagine, this piste off more people. Several 530 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 1: folks who were at cider Riot claimed No had basically 531 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 1: lured them out of the bar and was thus a 532 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: willing participant in the attack. I haven't seen any event 533 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: that this is true, but I say this in order 534 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: to give you an idea of the sort of attitude 535 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,719 Speaker 1: that developed around No in the wake of that attack. 536 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 1: People were pissed at him. This all came to a 537 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: head in July, during yet another set of dueling anti 538 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 1: fascist rallies in Portland. Andy No showed up live streaming 539 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: to the anti fascist side of things, where he was 540 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: promptly doubted with multiple milkshakes. I was actually there for 541 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: that part. Not long after that, he wound up surrounded 542 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: by a group of masked anti fascists. Several of these 543 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 1: people assaulted him, punching him a number of times. The 544 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: video of the assault is very clear and quite ugly. 545 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: No immediately filmed himself bruised and bloodied in the wake 546 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: of the attack. Now, the assault went very viral and 547 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: prompted calls from the President and Republican lawmakers to de 548 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: claar Antifa a domestic terrorist organization. Even centrist journalists like 549 00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 1: Jake Tapper picked up on the story, reporting it as 550 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: another case of antipha violence against journalists. Real story, I 551 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: hate Jake Tapper. Yeah, he's he's he's he's a garbage reporter. Now, 552 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: the real story is a lot more complicated than that. 553 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: UM And you know is not a journalist. He has 554 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: a right wing activist that does not justify as assault, 555 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 1: which was absolutely not okay. But he was not a 556 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 1: bystander just recording the event. And you know was a 557 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: participant in a running series of street battles which have 558 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: torn Portland's apart for the last three years. He got 559 00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: assaulted during one of these street battles, and again that's 560 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: not okay. But his assault is no different from any 561 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 1: of the hundreds of other assaults, most of which were 562 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: against left wing demonstrators, that have taken place during the 563 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: last three years. UM. And this fact is made very 564 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 1: clear in a video that was released just a couple 565 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, or just actually less than a week 566 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 1: ago when we record this, which we'll talk about once 567 00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: we come back from an ad break. We're back, so 568 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 1: as things currently stand, and he know has been assaulted 569 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: uh in lie during a protest. The video goes viral, 570 00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,960 Speaker 1: he shows up all over the media and within a 571 00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: matter of literally like hours, raises close to a quarter 572 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,400 Speaker 1: of a million dollars for his medical bills. UM. So 573 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 1: that's what people knew. In July, now, roughly a month later, 574 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: a full video from the May Day attack was released. UH. 575 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 1: And this video showed was had been filmed by someone 576 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,880 Speaker 1: who had been walking and marching with Joey Gibson, Andy 577 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: No and other right wing activists on their way to 578 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: cider riot that May Day. Uh. The full video paints 579 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: a very different picture of what happened than one I 580 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: think No would have liked to have been known. I'm 581 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: gonna quote the Portland's Mercury's coverage of the video quote. 582 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: The most incendiary of the clips show a small group 583 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: of Patriot Prayer members milling about a few blocks from 584 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 1: the cider bar, waiting for instructions from Gibson, who's texting Joey? 585 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: Someone asks, While the group seems to be without a 586 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,200 Speaker 1: game plan, another man says, tell Joey about and them 587 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 1: to hurry the funk up. I hope they got like 588 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: ten big dudes with them. As the group waits, they 589 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: discussed their weaponry. A few men consider which way the 590 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: winds blowing to avoid getting spray in their eyes. Another 591 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: man holds a thick wooden dowel and practices swinging it 592 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: like a baseball bat. Somewhere goggles helmets and tactical gloves. 593 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,800 Speaker 1: One woman is holding a brick. Who's the guy with 594 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: the weapons? Here? A man holding a police baton says, 595 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 1: appearing to become agitated, that the group has to wait 596 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120 Speaker 1: for Gibson me. A little while later, someone in the 597 00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: group tells a person on speaker phone there's going to 598 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400 Speaker 1: be a huge fight and gives them directions to cider riot. 599 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: Now that all is pretty damning evidence of conspiracy to riot, 600 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: which is what six of the people present there have 601 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,880 Speaker 1: been arrested for. And Andy no was present and filming 602 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: for all of this, but not once in the wake 603 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,840 Speaker 1: of the attacks did he share any of his videos, 604 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: any of his audio or report. This clear evidence of 605 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: people planning planning to commit mass assault to the police 606 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: or to the media. You can even in the video 607 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: see him smile at one point as his comrades discussed 608 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: their plans to attack the cider bar. This video makes 609 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: it very clear that and you Know is not a journalist. 610 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: He is a participant in this attack. Of course, none 611 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: of this evidence was out in July when no was 612 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: assaulted and he was able to is a huge amount 613 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: of money. He claimed in the immediate wake of the 614 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,040 Speaker 1: attack that he had suffered a brain bleed. He has 615 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,920 Speaker 1: presented zero evidence of this. He flew across the across 616 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: the country less than a week later and was checked 617 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: out of the hospital the next day. I feel it's 618 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: fair to question Knows honestly about the extent of his injuries, 619 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: since that's exactly what he did to the young woman 620 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,640 Speaker 1: who had her spine broken outside of cider riot. Now, 621 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: the good news seems to be that many journalists on 622 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: the center have at least finally started waking up to 623 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 1: Andy knows grift. During the August seventeen protests, which I 624 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,000 Speaker 1: also attended, No retweeted several edited chunks of other people's 625 00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: videos to try and push claims that Antifa has committed 626 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,960 Speaker 1: numerous assaults on decent, harmless right wing activists. To give 627 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,320 Speaker 1: you a brief summary of his lies, he claimed that 628 00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: a bicyclist swerved to avoid an Antifa person on a scooter, 629 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,920 Speaker 1: causing a serious accident. Uh. There was in fact a 630 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 1: scooter bicycle accident during the time of the rally, but 631 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with the protest or Antifa 632 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: and Portland Police repeatedly pointed this out when challenged on 633 00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: this fact any know posted. Portland Police Bureau have released 634 00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,560 Speaker 1: a press statement saying that too had actually collided when 635 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: the woman on the scooter was going in the wrong direction. 636 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: A source tells me she was part of the Antifa group. 637 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: She and friends had been passing around the scooter and 638 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 1: taking turns trying it out. Yeah. At another yeah, yeah, 639 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,399 Speaker 1: damning Andy. Uh. At another point in the day, an 640 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,319 Speaker 1: armored school bus filled with members of American Guard, a 641 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,720 Speaker 1: fascist extremist group linked to nine murders and mosque burnings, 642 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: attempted to cross into down town Portland to do god 643 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: knows what. They were caught by anti fascists while stopped 644 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,719 Speaker 1: in traffic the anti fascists chucked water bottles and what 645 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: appears to be sheet rock at the bus, which again 646 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: was armored and had screens on most of the windows. 647 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 1: Several of them kicked at the door of the bus. 648 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 1: The fascists then opened the door of the bus and 649 00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:43,720 Speaker 1: one of them began swinging a hammer at people's faces. 650 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,600 Speaker 1: One anti fascist managed to take the hammer from him 651 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:49,680 Speaker 1: and swing it back. Andy No tweeted edited video that 652 00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 1: just showed the anti fascist with the hammer and claimed 653 00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: that this had been an unprovoked attack by Antifa, something 654 00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 1: actual video evidence clearly contradicts. Again, this is the guy's 655 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 1: fucking strategy. At several points he posted video or pictures 656 00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: of injured older men claiming they had been assaulted by Antifa. 657 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 1: In every case, full video show that these men were 658 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: taking place in street brawls and in some cases instigating them. 659 00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,359 Speaker 1: One video is a picture of a clearly inebriated man 660 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: who taped his fists up specifically to punch people, and 661 00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,160 Speaker 1: repeatedly shouted the passer by where faggots. He was eventually 662 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: succeeded in starting a fight. When he was beat up, 663 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,560 Speaker 1: Anti fascist street medics provided first aid care to him. 664 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,120 Speaker 1: This is all documented, But here's how Andy no characterized things, 665 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: posting just a picture of the man on the ground. 666 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,479 Speaker 1: Middle aged man was maased and beaten by an Antifa mob. 667 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 1: He was knocked unconscious to the ground. His partner or 668 00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:38,719 Speaker 1: spouse was trying to protect him as the mob still 669 00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: surrounded them no police. When the man regained consciousness, he 670 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,719 Speaker 1: began like instigating fights immediately again like he was with 671 00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: the Yeah, yeah, cool, it's it's it's all pretty yeah. So, 672 00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: in the wake of the footage of the media attack 673 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: and the sheer shocking number of lies Noah was caught 674 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: telling about the August seventeenth rally, many Low Glen National 675 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: reporters have begun to dissociate themselves from him. So it 676 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:05,680 Speaker 1: is possible that his grift has peaked and we're all 677 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: about to watch him take a downhill slide. But if 678 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 1: the lesson of James O'Keefe teaches us anything, it's that 679 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: repeated and flagrant lies are no barrier to a lucrative 680 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: career in right wing journalism. And based on that, I 681 00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: suspect that and you know is going to have a 682 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: long and very profitable career. Has he been on Tucker 683 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: Carlson's show recently. I don't think he's been since August seventeen, actually, 684 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,920 Speaker 1: but I'm not a certain about that. Tucker Carlson also 685 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: took a planned vacation recently, so maybe. Yeah, Well, after 686 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,040 Speaker 1: claiming that white supremacy was not a problem in the 687 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: US after a white supremacist terror attack. He always seems 688 00:36:42,920 --> 00:36:46,080 Speaker 1: to have these vacations planned for right after he says 689 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: some just blatantly racist ship. It's weird. I mean, you know, 690 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,799 Speaker 1: that's how I plan all of my vacations too, So 691 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,359 Speaker 1: I'm not going to hit him too much on that. 692 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: You know. Uh, I don't know, and you know, it 693 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:01,359 Speaker 1: makes me very angry. I think he's a dangerous person, um, 694 00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 1: and I don't like him. That's the That's that's what 695 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 1: I got. Yeah, that seems to be Um. You know, 696 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:15,240 Speaker 1: the actual Nazis during you know, the early twentieth century 697 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:20,040 Speaker 1: didn't make a bunch of very uh convincing documentaries, but 698 00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:24,320 Speaker 1: they made a bunch of you know, famous works of propaganda. 699 00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:29,359 Speaker 1: And because you have to uh edit the truth out 700 00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 1: of movies to get for the reality or presenting to 701 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:38,719 Speaker 1: cohere to your version of things. And it seems like 702 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,799 Speaker 1: that Yeah, these people are just propagandists who managed to 703 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 1: hijack a very willing right wing media and a bad 704 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:53,640 Speaker 1: centrist media. You know, Andy know was responsible, like during 705 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: them the rally in July for sharing this picture of 706 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,880 Speaker 1: what what If you look at the picture, it's an 707 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:02,160 Speaker 1: older man in his sixties um with white hair and 708 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: just blood pouring down his face and the top of 709 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:08,080 Speaker 1: his shirt. UM, which you know, obviously was claimed to 710 00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:10,880 Speaker 1: have been an old man assaulted by Antifa for no 711 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 1: good reason, and it made it into like local reporting 712 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 1: like cinterest and sort of mainstream local news organizations. Like 713 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,919 Speaker 1: one of the titles right above this picture was two 714 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 1: more Oregon men or left bloody after violent Antifa attack 715 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 1: at Portland's protest. There's other pictures of the same guy 716 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,200 Speaker 1: before he's bloody, with a telescoping baton and a fedora, 717 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,279 Speaker 1: smiling and rushing towards the crowd, and there's video of 718 00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,319 Speaker 1: him sparking attacks and swinging a stick at people. The 719 00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 1: guy got hit in the head after swinging a baton 720 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,520 Speaker 1: at people and instigating attacks. Like, yeah, the violence definitely 721 00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 1: occurred on both sides, but this guy was an instigator 722 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,719 Speaker 1: and not an innocent old man, he was a dude 723 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:53,200 Speaker 1: swinging a fucking baton at people like That's part of 724 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,600 Speaker 1: the problem is that, like what's been happening in Portland 725 00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:00,400 Speaker 1: is a complicated and conflicting series of street attles, and 726 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,440 Speaker 1: there's absolutely been bad actors on both sides. But the 727 00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,000 Speaker 1: right wing media is trying to portray Antifa is this 728 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,759 Speaker 1: like violent organization, whereas the reality is most of them 729 00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:12,799 Speaker 1: are more apt to do things like show up in 730 00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: banana costumes as a marching band or like like help 731 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,800 Speaker 1: hold prayer vigils and stuff, and there are a smaller 732 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,279 Speaker 1: number of guys who are there because they want to 733 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: have a fight, whereas on the right you have also 734 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,080 Speaker 1: a shipload of people who show up because they want 735 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,600 Speaker 1: to have a fight, and sometimes members of both groups 736 00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,960 Speaker 1: get their wish. But like the idea that this is 737 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: terrorism or anything but two groups who hate each other 738 00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: fighting in the street um is pretty ridiculous. And the 739 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,200 Speaker 1: number of assaults that occur when the right wing demonstrators 740 00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,400 Speaker 1: aren't uh checked by large scale groups of anti fascists 741 00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 1: like those are the least violent rallies when a shipload 742 00:39:51,120 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: of anti fascists show up uh and just sort of 743 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,759 Speaker 1: drown them out, Like that's why on auguste there was 744 00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:02,200 Speaker 1: no serious violence. Um, but so I mean in comparison, 745 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:07,799 Speaker 1: how do the number of people murdered by right wing 746 00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:11,759 Speaker 1: extremists compared to the number of people murdered by Antifa. Well, 747 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,920 Speaker 1: so far there's been zero people murdered by Antifa. The 748 00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,279 Speaker 1: closest thing you come to an attack carried out by 749 00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: someone who marched with any of those groups was, um, 750 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:25,720 Speaker 1: Willem Sprocken, the guy who attacked those ICE buses. Hey, everybody, 751 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: I screwed up again. His name was William van Spronson, 752 00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:32,880 Speaker 1: not Sprocken. Sorry, I'm dumb and a hack and a fraud. 753 00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:37,920 Speaker 1: And he didn't kill anybody. He attempted to destroy busses 754 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,799 Speaker 1: that were empty to stop ICE from being able to 755 00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:43,759 Speaker 1: deport people. He was a guy who would yeah they 756 00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 1: they shot. He did have a gun with him, you know. Uh, yeah, 757 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,200 Speaker 1: that's the closest you get to an Antifa attack with 758 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: a body count of zero, whereas you know, uh, we're 759 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: up to well over a hundred right wing deaths in 760 00:40:58,040 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: the last year and change like death as there was 761 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,600 Speaker 1: ault of right wing terrorists in the last year in 762 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: Change and The police have arrested twenty seven people since 763 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: El Paso for planning terrorist attacks, the vast majority of 764 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: whom had clear right wing and white supremacist ties. Um. Yeah, yeah, 765 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,880 Speaker 1: it's weird. Yeah. I wonder how the right would react 766 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:23,239 Speaker 1: if and if killed a single person. Well, and this 767 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 1: is what's really worrying to me, is that I suspect 768 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: there absolutely will be probably inspired by like environmental activism, um, 769 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: a deadly terrorist attack in the near future. Um, you know, 770 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 1: maybe on oil and gas employees or something like that. Um. 771 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: And when that happens, it's going to be used as 772 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:46,560 Speaker 1: the justification for a vast uh crackdown on left wing activists, 773 00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: Whereas you know, there's been essentially was nothing done up 774 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: until El Paso, you know, after it took It took 775 00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,120 Speaker 1: dozens of right wing attacks for any kind of crackdown 776 00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:02,279 Speaker 1: to occur, and even then it's been fairly mild. Um 777 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:08,239 Speaker 1: it's frustrating, it is, I would agree with that. Yeah. Hm. 778 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: So everybody look forward to the eco terrorist attacks in 779 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:17,680 Speaker 1: our future. Um, and uh, keep an eye out for 780 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:21,600 Speaker 1: people like Andy No because they're full of ship. Yeah. 781 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:23,720 Speaker 1: All the pictures you when you just do a Google 782 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,759 Speaker 1: image search of him. It's all him with like a 783 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: black guy appearing on various news things and just looking 784 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: very uh, you know, beat down and yeah victimy. It's 785 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:39,160 Speaker 1: just yeah, he's uh. He talks about the victim culture, 786 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:43,440 Speaker 1: the people claiming to be victims, and that seems to 787 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 1: be his whole m Oh yeah, that's he He really 788 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 1: like getting assaulted. Um worked out very well for his career. 789 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: I can say that. Uh, you know, he made a 790 00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 1: quarter of a million dollars in a matter of hours. Uh, 791 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,920 Speaker 1: and you know, he's he's, he's I don't know. I'd 792 00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 1: be interested to see his medical reports. Um. Yeah. I 793 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:10,680 Speaker 1: also suspect i'd be interested to see if he gets 794 00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,640 Speaker 1: charged as a result of any of the videos that 795 00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 1: came out on cider Riot or about sider Right. He 796 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,080 Speaker 1: doesn't doesn't say really anything during those videos, but he's 797 00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 1: present the entire time, and UM, I don't know. It's 798 00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: it's very like. I can say this as a guy 799 00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:29,280 Speaker 1: who frequently is on in filming on the anti fascist 800 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,840 Speaker 1: side of things. If I was embedded with a group 801 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,840 Speaker 1: of these people and I heard them planning to attack 802 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,480 Speaker 1: a bunch of people sitting and chilling at a bar, 803 00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: and then one of the anti fascists I was with, unprovoked, 804 00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:46,000 Speaker 1: broke a woman's spine. I would report that ship because 805 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: that would be a serious crime and not Okay, Uh, 806 00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,600 Speaker 1: that's what you do as a journalist, regardless of where 807 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,319 Speaker 1: your sympathies lie. And I think Andy's performance during the 808 00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:58,279 Speaker 1: May Day attack is all the evidence you need that 809 00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:05,840 Speaker 1: he's not a journalist. Yeah. I think that's pretty fair. Yeah, hey, everybody, 810 00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,640 Speaker 1: just one quick update. Uh, Andy no no longer works 811 00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:13,120 Speaker 1: at uh Quilette. Um. Some people say he's been fired. 812 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,080 Speaker 1: His name has certainly been removed from the masthead. I 813 00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,560 Speaker 1: think some of his articles have been purged. Um. You know, 814 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,239 Speaker 1: his editor at his former editor at Quilette says that 815 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:23,280 Speaker 1: he wasn't laid off, that this was a plan departure. 816 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,480 Speaker 1: The timing certainly seems a little bit suspicious for that 817 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 1: to have been the case. But either way, he seems 818 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,560 Speaker 1: to be currently unemployed, so we will see, um whether 819 00:44:33,680 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: or not his career recovers from all this. Anyway, Jack, 820 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: you want to plug your plug holes. I do. I 821 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: desperately want to plug my plug doubles excellent. I can 822 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,279 Speaker 1: I host a week daily podcast called The Daily Zeitgeist. 823 00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,279 Speaker 1: It is a comedic look at the events of the day, 824 00:44:53,360 --> 00:44:57,880 Speaker 1: the zeitgeist, the news, ghost of the day, what what 825 00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:01,160 Speaker 1: is happening in the world of popcorn ulture, just the 826 00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: America's national shared consciousness. 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