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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with you. Jeanette Lucas is a psychic consultant, writer, dowser,

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Speaker 1: and treasure hunter. She's known for working with police, families

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Speaker 1: and businesses on a number of projects, from missing persons,

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Speaker 1: finding missing objects, finding treasures, solving mysteries. She's been hired

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Speaker 1: for technical advising and her expertise on movies and documentaries

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Speaker 1: as well. Her rep website is reached Jeannette and it's

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Speaker 1: spelled gi Nette dot com. Linked up at Coast to

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Speaker 1: Coast AM dot com. Jeanette, Welcome to the program. I'm

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Speaker 1: really looking forward to this with you tonight. Hey, George,

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Speaker 1: can I call you George? Or do I call you

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Speaker 1: mister Nori? You can call me mister No, of course,

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Speaker 1: call me George. Hey, I'm very excited to be here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. It's an honor and I think I'll have

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun for you. Tell me about this

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Speaker 1: gift that you have. How did this happen? Well, I

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Speaker 1: would I'll just give you the basics. My father is

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Speaker 1: Lewis Metatia, who was actually interviewed by Art Bell. And

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Speaker 1: I learned about dowsing at about age seven, so dalsing

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Speaker 1: came first and then, but well, actually before dowsing, when

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Speaker 1: I was about five, my father was really big into

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Speaker 1: at that. Now they call it remote viewing, but when

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Speaker 1: I was about five, it was clairvoyance or psychic ability,

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Speaker 1: and we would all lay in the back of the

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Speaker 1: station wagon right around a neighborhood and we would have

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Speaker 1: to tell our father what we saw. And he said,

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Speaker 1: if you ever get kidnapped, tell me what you see.

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Speaker 1: And he would say, do you feel like a barn,

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Speaker 1: a school, a road, dirt road, what do you feel?

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Speaker 1: And as silly as that sounds, I was one of

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Speaker 1: five and we would all give an opinion and then

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Speaker 1: sometimes we were a right or wrong, but we got

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Speaker 1: instant feedback. And then shortly after my father and his

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Speaker 1: work with the US military in the federal government, when

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Speaker 1: I was about seven, I had an accident and had

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Speaker 1: a near experience, and the other side came to me

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Speaker 1: and said, your whole life is going to change at

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, and you're going to go into this new

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Speaker 1: field and your career is going to be different. And

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Speaker 1: they gave me a bunch of unique information or predictions.

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Speaker 1: And at twenty seven I had not only a car

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Speaker 1: accident but a kidney failure and had a near death

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Speaker 1: in the hospital and got a bunch more information and

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Speaker 1: became a full time psychic. And you've never stopped since. No, No,

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Speaker 1: how did you get involved in true crime with this

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Speaker 1: kind of work? Well, actually, when I had my second

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Speaker 1: year death experience, when I went to the other side,

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Speaker 1: I was so scared that I realized I wasn't on

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Speaker 1: earth anymore, I guess you could say. And I got

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Speaker 1: there and I kept saying to whoever the powers that

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Speaker 1: be that what can I do for you? And they said,

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Speaker 1: we want you to bring our people home? And what

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Speaker 1: does that mean? And they said, we want you to

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Speaker 1: find missing people. And here I am that that sounds silly,

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Speaker 1: but that's what happened. Did your father augumentary skills? He did?

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Speaker 1: He did, And UM, I was very fortunate. UM. I

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Speaker 1: worked on one of my first true crime cases when

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Speaker 1: I was about thirteen. Um he would he would lecture

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Speaker 1: around the country, and at one time he took me

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Speaker 1: with him to the University of Maryland and another community

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Speaker 1: group a lecture and I would sit in the crowd

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Speaker 1: and listen, and he would give pointers. And then, of

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Speaker 1: course at the same time, other people with the same

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Speaker 1: you're going to become a psychic. And I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: what the heck? Um, you know, it's a shock. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if sure, when you grew up somebody said to you,

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Speaker 1: and somebody said to you, Hey, you're going to be

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Speaker 1: a host, and you're thinking to yourself, what the heck?

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Speaker 1: So everything is a surprise, and it did. It did.

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Speaker 1: It's like a baby in the oven. You know, you're

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Speaker 1: cooking and all of a sudden you're here delivery. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you are in a big way too. How did you

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Speaker 1: first start getting involved in missing children? The police department

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Speaker 1: that start? The very first case I was with my

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Speaker 1: So now today I call it dream incubation. So in

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Speaker 1: other words, if you want to learn some information and

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Speaker 1: And she had gotten a phone call from a police officer,

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Speaker 1: missing kid. And I said, actually, I had a dream

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Speaker 1: and the family freaked out, took the kid and apparently

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Speaker 1: killed him and buried him in an orchard. And she

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Speaker 1: had me draw pictures of everything I saw, just like

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Speaker 1: And the cop came out. And before the cop got there,

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Speaker 1: a picture of a house, and it was a square

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Speaker 1: pretty shocked. He said, tell me, seriously, have you ever

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Speaker 1: been to this house? And I said no. So I

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Speaker 1: she's good. And I had drawn a picture of where

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Speaker 1: the boy was missing from, which was a trailer, and

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Speaker 1: I said, the apple orchard is way over there. But

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Speaker 1: I drew up was absolutely correct. There was an autistic

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Speaker 1: actually twenty two, aged twenty two, and their physical agility

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Speaker 1: lived with his mother, just like I had predicted. So

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Speaker 1: at that point that you had these psychic skills? Did

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Speaker 1: you know what was happening to you? No, I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I don't think so. I think that the

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Speaker 1: a movie. But it was still a surprise, and I

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Speaker 1: next step was reading books on it and just getting

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Speaker 1: through life. And that was it. So it was quiet

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Speaker 1: for a number of years. There's a fine line between

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Speaker 1: remote viewing and psychic abilities. I assume you're both. I'm

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Speaker 1: all of the above. I have almost all the abilities

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Speaker 1: you can have. Now again, I've had some near death

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Speaker 1: experiences some trauma to the head that could be part

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Speaker 1: of the problem. So I'm a unique person. Remote viewing,

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Speaker 1: I think is great, but the approach for remote viewing

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Speaker 1: is more a focus on one thing. I try to

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Speaker 1: do the psychic ability where you do a three sixty

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Speaker 1: so you can actually spinning around the room and see

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Speaker 1: Did your father work with Ingo Schwanidal in the military

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Speaker 1: when with their remote viewing program? I knew of Ingo.

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Speaker 1: He might have, Um, I haven't asked him recently, and

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Speaker 1: I mean Ingo was one of my favorite heroes. I

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Speaker 1: did read about Ingo, and of course Burie Geller and

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Speaker 1: so forth. My father worked with um like they would

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Speaker 1: so definitely undercover. Even at ninety is your father still

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Speaker 1: things for fun, water wells and maybe some treasure. It

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Speaker 1: definitely turns up. He's very excited about it. Sometimes he

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Speaker 1: over and again. Yah. My father started doing that, but

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Speaker 1: he passed away at eighty eight, and I could see

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Speaker 1: over the years, Jeanette, that change, that mental change with him,

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Speaker 1: where he would repeat himself a lot and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: It's a shocker. But with my father and his psychic ability,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing to me. Some of the things he mentioned,

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Speaker 1: I'll never have. He just comes out with something that

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Speaker 1: because my father was a huge note taker. How did

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? Well? In the I guess in

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Speaker 1: the early sixties, my father was a professional surveyor and

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Speaker 1: he was out one day and he was taught dowsing.

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Speaker 1: And for people out there that don't know what dowsing is,

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Speaker 1: He used an larade to locate an electrical point for

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Speaker 1: so impressed by it. He went home and was telling

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Speaker 1: a friend of his who worked for the CIA, and said,

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Speaker 1: for our boys in Vietnam. And so his friend went

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Speaker 1: back to work and at the CIA and said, you know,

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Speaker 1: Louis has got some great ideas here. And he knew.

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Speaker 1: Louis started finding water wells and finding this and finding that,

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