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Speaker 1: want to get to the college football rankings in one second.

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Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Chris Paul and how

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Speaker 1: it's ending in the NBA with him. Isn't it interesting

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Speaker 1: on how how few of these stars when they're done

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Speaker 1: it ends well, Like even Peyton Manning who won a

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. Remember very unhappy that mid season his last year,

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Speaker 1: he was replaced and then he got his job back

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Speaker 1: at the start of the playoffs, and the defense carried

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Speaker 1: him because his arm was was shot like that. That's

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Speaker 1: literally what happens Brett Farves last year. Remember he had

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Speaker 1: retired again, and then Chile sent three dudes down to Mississippi.

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Speaker 1: He came back and he had that he had that

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Speaker 1: Nike had on that looked like it had and he'd

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Speaker 1: been on the tractor for years with that same hat on.

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Speaker 1: Remember that one. I mean, you go through some of

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Speaker 1: these guys. They they end poorly more often than they

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Speaker 1: end well. And man, Chris Paul, it's one thing to

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Speaker 1: get cut in what appears to be your last NBA gig.

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Speaker 1: It's a whole thing to get cut by the Clippers

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Speaker 1: when he kind of legitimized the Clippers in this era

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Speaker 1: of Clipper basketball. He was lob City. But it is

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Speaker 1: in the old you can't go home again. I give you,

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul, you can't go home again. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: think about it. A guy who was he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player. He was head of the

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Speaker 1: players Association. He's one of the He's one of, if

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Speaker 1: not the most premiere true point guard we've had in years,

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Speaker 1: like since Kid, he's probably the best pure point guard.

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Speaker 1: And yet he goes back to the team that he

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Speaker 1: brought legitimacy to and couldn't even make it to the

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Speaker 1: Jannison Tennakupo and the agent initiating talks about, Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it's the best place for Yannis to be.

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Speaker 1: Does anyone think there's any way in which Yannas stays

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee? Because I do not. I do not. And

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Speaker 1: obviously the seed was planted early in the summer when

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Speaker 1: he said New York was a place that he would consider.

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Speaker 1: New York never stepped up. But once you start the

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Speaker 1: idea of trading away Yannis, it's really hard to ever

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Speaker 1: get that relationship back. And then once Yanna says, hey,

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Speaker 1: You know what that means. That means he's going to

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Speaker 1: be moved. Any doubt, Dan Byer, any doubt in that

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Speaker 1: to what the discussions are. But when you hear that,

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Speaker 1: with that in any way?

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Speaker 2: No, No, he should have been moved this past offseason.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was the perfect time to move him,

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Speaker 1: and they tried to you know what happens is And again,

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Speaker 1: you can use this with Chris Paul. You can use

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Speaker 1: let's just run it back one more time. I always

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Speaker 1: I love this analogy. Dan, you played basketball, so you

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Speaker 1: pretty soon you're like, hey, last game, you run it.

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Speaker 1: It's a decent game. It's over. And then you still

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Speaker 1: his career really should have been over in Phoenix a

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Speaker 1: And for Yannis, to Dan's point, he's right. You know,

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Speaker 1: Lillard thing. That didn't work. Then Lillard tearors is Achille's

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Speaker 1: ten and you're like, we're not this is another championship team. Well,

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Speaker 2: It's funny too when you look at just on how

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Speaker 2: be honest with you, like it just feels like it

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Speaker 2: was a long long time ago. But it's every step

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Speaker 2: like the next year they and heck even ESPN's putting

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Speaker 2: lost to Boston and a game seven in the Eastern

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Speaker 2: and they have been caught in limbo. But also you've

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Speaker 2: got Giannis who's turning thirty one in a couple of days.

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Speaker 2: Now you wonder what is the package, Like, what could

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Speaker 2: you actually get for him? He's broken down at the

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Speaker 2: end of previous seasons over the last couple of years. Sure,

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Speaker 2: there may be one team, but again, there was only

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Speaker 2: one team that Yannis had interest in going to this offseason,

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Speaker 2: and that was the Knicks. So now the value that

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Speaker 2: you get back is just and how much is that

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Speaker 2: team going to want to really believe that Jannis is

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Speaker 1: Well, then the other part to Gianniss, he almost has

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Speaker 1: can you still is he still capable of doing that,

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Speaker 1: of playing that way, of dominating that same passion.

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Speaker 2: Yes, A lot of questions.

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Speaker 1: A lot of questions, a lot of questions real quick.

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Speaker 1: Jay Stew's Around of course. So as Iowa sam College

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Speaker 1: How far do they fall? And then you have Georgia

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Speaker 1: it protects them if they lose, You think they're going

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Speaker 1: if they if they lose to Georgia Texas Tech plays

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Speaker 1: they're eleventh in the field. But when you're eleventh in

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Speaker 1: Duke playing this weekend, they get in the College Wroble

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Speaker 3: I had to be brushed up on this too, So Dan,

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Speaker 3: if you could help me explain Duke. Basically, because they're

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Speaker 3: not ranked, they only give it's not even technically an

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Speaker 3: ranked conference champion in order to get into the playoff, Dan,

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Speaker 3: anything you want to clean up there.

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Speaker 2: So in terms of they would take the top five

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Speaker 3: If Duke could win the ACC championship and be left

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Speaker 3: out of the playoff, and that actually if they do

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Speaker 2: Believe, I think that they would manipulate the rankings in

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean again, the ones that are interesting are

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Speaker 1: Alabama is probably the most interesting team this weekend. Right,

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Speaker 1: they win, like that helps Oklahoma who beat them, Right,

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Speaker 2: Well, the big ones are Alabama and BYU. Because what

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Speaker 1: M And then Texas doesn't get that same benefit of

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Speaker 1: they're there behind.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Texas needs a chance with this.

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Speaker 1: Need Alabama to lose. They need by you lose, right, Yes,

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Speaker 1: that's what they need to have happened for them to

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Speaker 2: Who Texas lost to Georgia. They got lost to Georgia. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: They also want Ohio State to win. It does look

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Speaker 1: want that to happen as well.

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Speaker 2: Yes, And Sarkisian even said, and he's been on the

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Speaker 2: record the past couple of days of not playing high

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Speaker 2: profile games if they don't make it in they actually

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Speaker 2: host Ohio State next year. There was a comment made

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Speaker 2: yesterday on I believe on Sirius XM where you talked

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Speaker 2: about not playing that game next year.

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Speaker 1: There's zero Let me just tell you something right now. Okay,

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Speaker 1: working in an athletic department, I can tell you right

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Speaker 1: now there is no chance Texas gets out of that

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Speaker 1: Was Optimist Optimist Climb. That's a great name, Yes, Optimist Climb.

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Speaker 2: Your nickname recall is great.

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Speaker 1: You are known for Paate State, Penn State still looking

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Speaker 6: Dude, I don't even know. It's it's bad. I didn't

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Speaker 6: You live in this world. If you're an athletic director

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Speaker 1: That's a great way. That is a great analogy, unbelievable analogy.

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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question. You know what's interesting

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Speaker 6: He's Look, if you don't believe me, I don't care.

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Speaker 6: athletic side, and that is the academic calendar. You could

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Speaker 6: have an alternate universe where, you know, people kind of

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Speaker 6: acknowledge the reality, and that is that the quote unquote

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Speaker 6: student athlete exists on campus because of a completely different

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Speaker 6: reason than the math major. Therefore, you create a separate

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Speaker 6: student athlete academic calendar. As you know, that's very unrealistic.

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Speaker 6: If you could do that, you can solve a lot

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Speaker 6: of problems. So if we assume we live in a

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Speaker 6: world where that's not possible, then college football has got

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Speaker 6: to adjust its calendar. And I think what you probably

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Speaker 6: have to do, and I would hate it because it's

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Speaker 6: one thousand degrees in the South in late August. But

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Speaker 6: you probably have to move the start of your season

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Speaker 6: up a week to where you're that third week in

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Speaker 6: August kicking off to where you can end your season

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Speaker 6: third week of November, where your conference championship games are

446
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Speaker 6: taking place December or Thanksgiving weekend rather and then you

447
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Speaker 6: just four week your playoffs and have your national championship

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Speaker 6: on New Year's Day, and then you go National Signing

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Speaker 6: Day shortly thereafter and portal windows shortly after that. That's

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Speaker 6: the only optum I make.

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Speaker 1: I would say there's one other option, and I think

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Speaker 1: Saban sort of said it, which is I think what

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Speaker 1: you gotta do is you gotta cut the spring and

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Speaker 1: fire up the summer. I think that's what you gotta do,

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Speaker 1: you know. I mean, And for people don't understand, again,

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Speaker 1: you can't for basketball. We can do eight hours, but

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Speaker 1: it has to be four and four. So we get

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Speaker 1: four hours a week in the summer for basketball, and

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Speaker 1: it helps, but again it's still very very difficult. You

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Speaker 1: don't have time to have real practice. Like, look, reality

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Speaker 1: is all of these programs that we're top our four programs.

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Speaker 1: I would guess by now they all have indoors, so

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Speaker 1: weather's not an issue. If it is, if it's hot

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Speaker 1: and you don't have an indoor one you better build one,

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Speaker 1: and you're not getting coaches or players, and two you

466
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Speaker 1: can do it in the morning. But again the counter

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Speaker 1: to it is because because the argument is, hey, we

468
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Speaker 1: need those practices, we need to get our young guys

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Speaker 1: up and going we build a new team. I think

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Speaker 1: the only way to do it is, you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: you maybe you cut off early and early enrollees and

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Speaker 1: then you have summer practice or you have a certain

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Speaker 1: number of practices where you're allowed with any guys that way,

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Speaker 1: even your early enrollies, if they want to get there,

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Speaker 1: they can, But that you can either bank the practices

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Speaker 1: for the summer that we're supposed to be in the spring,

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Speaker 1: something like that. I think that works.

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Speaker 6: A lot of ads that I've talked to and a

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Speaker 6: lot of coaches that I've talked to strongly prefer that

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Speaker 6: you can always tell the guys who have coached pro ball.

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Speaker 6: So the second that's mentioned, they just say, yeah, that's

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Speaker 6: just a fancy way of saying OTAs, and yes, I'm

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Speaker 6: all for it. And yes, it would greatly alleviate a lot. Look,

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Speaker 6: that stuff just makes my head spin because I'm a

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Speaker 6: visual guy, so it's hard for me to mentally see

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Speaker 6: the calendar, much less all the dates on the calendar.

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Speaker 6: But when guys whose opinions I trust all start to

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Speaker 6: align behind something, I usually shut up and listen to it.

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Speaker 6: And that's one that's been floated around a lot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna give you. I'm gonna I'm gonna load

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Speaker 1: you up with some mo and you can pick it

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Speaker 1: apart or go. That's good. I'm gonna go with it

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Speaker 1: when I talk about it on my show. Okay, you

494
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Speaker 1: ready for it? Go. Lots of people are saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to punish, for example, Ole Miss's players

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Speaker 1: for Lane Kiffin's departure. I don't think you punish him. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I think we're looking at this all wrong. I don't

498
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Speaker 1: think Florida State was punished. I think Florida State was

499
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Speaker 1: appropriately evaluated as being inferior to their where they were

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Speaker 1: in the regular season two years ago when the quarterback

501
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Speaker 1: went down. I think that's the the Old Miss thing.

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Speaker 1: If you move them down seed wise or whatever you

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Speaker 1: do with them, you're not punishing them. You're trying to

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Speaker 1: figure out who the best teams are. And I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody would argue they're not as good without Lane

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Speaker 1: Kiffin as they were with Lane Kiffin, much the way

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Speaker 1: you'd say with the quarterback. Do you know you are?

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Speaker 1: Are you okay with pushing back on the punished word?

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Speaker 6: I yes, I see where you're going. Like logically, that's

510
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Speaker 6: all aligned, Like we're aligned on that. The two things

511
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Speaker 6: that I keep pushing back on all right. One, we

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Speaker 6: saw Florida State play multiple games without Jordan Travis. Sure,

513
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Speaker 6: so if you wanted to go that route, like our

514
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Speaker 6: eyeballs saw how inferior their offense was without him on

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Speaker 6: the field. Now, my whole thing during that period was

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Speaker 6: that committee did not say best teams. They said most

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Speaker 6: deserving teams. And then at the eleventh hour, I vividly

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Speaker 6: remember it, Doug Bill Hancock goes on some interview like

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Speaker 6: it wasn't even an official platform or anything, and he

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Speaker 6: just casually said, you know, the term most deserving is

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Speaker 6: not in our lexicon, it's best. Well, once you say that,

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Speaker 6: I don't really even care if I think you're punishing

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Speaker 6: them or not, Like we can argue over semantics if

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Speaker 6: we're trying to put the best teams in there, who

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Speaker 6: are essentially power rating teams at that point, and no

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Speaker 6: Florida State would have no business there. But even applying that,

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Speaker 6: how does one apply that to Ole Miss right now?

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Speaker 6: Because there's season's over, we will have never even seen

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Speaker 6: them without Lane Kiffin or without some of his staff.

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Speaker 6: And I really don't know how you even quantify the impact.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, Uh, does Alabama get in if they lose?

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Speaker 6: Yes, they do, Absolutely they do. I think Notre Dame

533
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Speaker 6: has been in far more trouble than Alabama for a

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Speaker 6: couple of weeks now. I just think the committee finally

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Speaker 6: admitted it in their rankings last night.

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Speaker 1: Hope your life is great, your day is good, Your

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Speaker 1: weather's a little bit warmer than what we got. It's

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Speaker 1: dog Got Leaves show Fox Sports Radio. You guys are

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Speaker 1: gonna appreciate this one. Last year we played in Santa Barbara.

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Speaker 1: And right now, it's not terribly cold. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: as cold as it's going to be. But we had

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Speaker 1: some fun with it. We had some fun with it,

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Speaker 1: welcoming in Joe Pasternak and his crew to the frozen

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Speaker 1: sdu when I wake up two degrees.

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Speaker 7: Two degrees, that's awesome. And I love the fact that

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Speaker 7: in times, watched the Galagos, including last year when Sam

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Speaker 7: he was there, Yes, he showed up at halftime. No,

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Speaker 7: I got there during the first half. I think I missed.

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Speaker 3: I mean I think I missed like seven minutes of

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Speaker 3: the of the half, but I did have probably three

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Speaker 1: Actually, Jay s Dou, I actually have big news for.

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Speaker 4: You in marchrodizing the place.

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Speaker 1: Big bigness to you in Mark time. I believe we

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Speaker 1: have agree. We haven't gotten the day yet. I think

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Speaker 1: we're coming to play cal State Forwards the next year. No, Kin, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Titan Jim Jim, I've played. I've I've played at Titan Gym,

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Speaker 1: Titan Gym and the Brand Events Center. I think I

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Speaker 1: played at Titan Gym more because we used to play

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Speaker 1: pick up basketball there all the time, all the time,

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Speaker 1: all the time, so pretty fired up that I not

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Speaker 1: not officially official, but unofficially official. But I expect you

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Speaker 1: and Mark Stein to be court side.

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Speaker 8: That's my I'll bring the Walker brothers to uh nice

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the Walkers his son plays it at Auburn.

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Speaker 1: it's a Wednesday. That's seminole of the week. Technically, it's

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Speaker 1: the minter of our show. If you don't know, we

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Speaker 1: top the hour. So middle of the show, middle of

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Speaker 1: the day, middle of the week. Let's get to the midway.

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Speaker 1: It's not getting the middle, it's time for it's getting

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Speaker 1: the middle.

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Speaker 5: The midway.

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Speaker 1: All right, Jay stew what's the topic the midway?

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Speaker 8: I'll take it from here.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, take it from here.

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Speaker 8: The uh.

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Speaker 7: It looks like the consensus on the group text was this,

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Speaker 7: we're gonna uh, we're gonna recap post mortem the regular

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Speaker 7: season of college football. Now the jumping off point, I'd

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Speaker 7: like to do kind of a flashback the Wednesday midway

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Speaker 7: before the start of the regular season, we did our

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Speaker 7: one storyline we are most intrigued by going into the season.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna give you those four and you guys could

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Speaker 7: choose in this in the next ten minutes to talk

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Speaker 7: about those things that maybe you had brought to the table,

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Speaker 7: or you could just choose another thing. I just want

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Speaker 7: to know you're you're kind of like a big takeaway

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Speaker 7: storyline from the season that you enjoyed following the most

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Speaker 7: or were most surprised by. So here it was our

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Speaker 7: four stories coming into the season that we were most

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Speaker 7: intrigued by. Was will Dion Sanders after losing his son,

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Speaker 7: lose interest and it won't have a good season? That

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Speaker 7: turned out that way? Bill Belichick?

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Speaker 1: Who was that? By the way?

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Speaker 8: That that was mine? That was mine?

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Speaker 7: Bill Belichick? What kind of a season is he going

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Speaker 7: to have that didn't turn out too well? That Arch Manning?

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Speaker 7: I forgot who brought that to the table? Arch Manning?

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Speaker 7: Is he going to live up to the hype? That

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Speaker 7: didn't work out too well? And then Caitlin de boor

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Speaker 7: is he going to be the next Mike Shula or

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Speaker 7: the next nixt Saban?

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Speaker 1: Wow?

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Speaker 4: I think that was yours, Dougie. I think you.

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Speaker 3: I feel like Kalin Devor was your guy. I don't

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Speaker 3: remember what mine was.

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Speaker 1: Everybody wanted him fired after week one. Then he was

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Speaker 1: the guy. Then he wasn't the guy. Now there are

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Speaker 1: people that think that if he loses Saturday, he'll go

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Speaker 1: take the Penn stage job.

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Speaker 2: The North Carolina story was so much of a train

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Speaker 2: wreck that it wasn't even a like a nice train wreck,

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Speaker 2: Like it was just such a mess.

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Speaker 1: Right, he wasn't aware of a nice train wreck ever before.

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Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 3: I know what you mean, like fugitive train wreck, like

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Speaker 3: where like the cars were just scattered all over what he's.

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Speaker 1: Saying, Like, it wasn't it wasn't even fun. It got

646
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: it got to the punchs where like this is not

647
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:42,160
Speaker 1: even fun.

648
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, just ridiculous. He thought that there would be something

649
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: of standards of commitment, and it was just a circus

650
00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 2: all season long.

651
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: Well, I would, I would, I agree with you, Dan.

652
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I would also say that we really don't know the

653
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 1: level of dysfunction. I think, me just being honest, I

654
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: think what was reported by what's his name does all

655
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: the investigative journalism, basically for the entire industry. What was

656
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: what was reported by Pablo was so damaging that everything

657
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 1: became every game, everything became about that, right, and and Basically,

658
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: Pablo is like, he might not even make it to

659
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: the season. It's such a disaster. And he was right,

660
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 1: it was a disaster. I don't know if he's writ

661
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: in terms of what was actually going on behind the scenes.

662
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 1: Again he hasn't missed yet. But again, this was this

663
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: was just this was without receipts. We don't know. And

664
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: I can also tell you that yet you're holding a

665
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: guide to the standard that we're used to with him

666
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: as an NFL coach is sort of ridiculous when you're

667
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: a college coach. And I did say, when you got

668
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: seventy new players, you're not going to win. You're just

669
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 1: not especially when you never coach college football before. It's

670
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 1: so hard. Now year two, year three, there has to

671
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 1: be has to be improvement, and I would guess there

672
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 1: will be, But I agree with you, Dan, it was

673
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: not even fun. I did see a lot of myself

674
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,080
Speaker 1: in what was going on there, where the reality is

675
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 1: they just didn't have good enough players.

676
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you didn't have Jordan Hudson interfering in everything.

677
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 2: And there's another there's another aspect of this because we

678
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 2: look at Belichick, and we look at Belichick's assistant and

679
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 2: look at what Matt Patricia did at Ohio State. So

680
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia failed as an NFL head coach and then

681
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 2: failed in his return to New England in coaching the

682
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 2: offense and coaching the quarterbacks. And Bill Belichick failed at

683
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 2: North Carolina. And while Ohio State does have great talent,

684
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 2: they did have to replace a lot of talent on defense,

685
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: and they became even better on defense with Matt Patricia

686
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 2: leading it, which maybe is in a surprise when we say, well,

687
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 2: of course he learned from Bill Belichick, but that also

688
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: then tells you how dysfunctional things have gotten around Belichick

689
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 2: that he can't even rely on his defense or the

690
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 2: stuff that he knows. I get worked for Matt Patricia,

691
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 2: and it was a complete mess in Chapel Hill.

692
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,799
Speaker 3: The fair point, did we think, though, in terms of

693
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:23,800
Speaker 3: wins and losses, that it would be kind of around

694
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 3: five and seven, four and eight, they finished four. I

695
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 3: don't think we knew. I don't think we had any idea, right,

696
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't think they go bold. I really

697
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 3: didn't know much about the personnel. I just felt like

698
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: it would just be a season though where there.

699
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 2: I think any of us say we knew about North

700
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 2: Carolina football. I think we're fooling ourselves. And I think

701
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:45,439
Speaker 2: that we thought that, well, maybe Belichick fresh start, Heck,

702
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: he knows more about football than anybody. He'll be able

703
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 2: to win them the five, six or seven games. And

704
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 2: I don't even think it got to the point of

705
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 2: that where it didn't matter if he could be a

706
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 2: mastermind and school some of these college head coaches.

707
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 4: A losing streak, including a bad loss at NC State.

708
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: And yeah, and they but they also they had probably

709
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,280
Speaker 1: two games they should have won. Was the Cow game,

710
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: I think, which was one.

711
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 4: Yeah, they lost three to Cal.

712
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,320
Speaker 1: There's two that they should have won there late as well.

713
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: And I think that the one topic we missed on

714
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 1: that we didn't know is I mean, I thought that

715
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: Jim O. Fisher would be the total outlier where guys

716
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: get bought out with these ridiculous sums of money. I

717
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 1: didn't realize it would be the norm. And this was

718
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 1: the year where half the SEC was fired and half

719
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: of the coaches that were fired were fired before the

720
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: midway point in the season. Complete change. This is not

721
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,719
Speaker 1: what college football has ever looked like before. And just

722
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: so people understand the next thing that's coming is players

723
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: are going to get fired early in the season. You

724
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 1: want to make the employees they're fireable, they'll get fired.

725
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, how many coaches got new extensions because of

726
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 2: what happened at Penn State?

727
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:05,439
Speaker 8: Right?

728
00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: I mean that also happens anytime the Kentucky job gets

729
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 1: up in basketball. Everybody says they're a candidate for the job,

730
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: they get it. What I don't think it was just

731
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: Penn State though, Dan to be you know, right, like

732
00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: all these jobs being opened, everybody got an extension. But yeah,

733
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: Penn State obviously got Matt Rule an extension, and then

734
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 1: the second it said, like, ed, do we really want

735
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: Matt Rule? Like, I don't know, I don't know.

736
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 3: And Penn State's been a story all year from what

737
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: being a top three team yep, and then getting to

738
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: the Oregon game losing in overtime, and then the Law

739
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: and then James and now they finished six and six,

740
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 3: they're going to a bowl with the interim coach. It's

741
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 3: just been like if you woke up from a long

742
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: slumber or a coma and you looked at Penn State

743
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: starting as a top three team to finishing six and

744
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 3: six with an interim coach.

745
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 4: You'd be like, what did I miss? Well, it's crazy.

746
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: What's amazing about it is? I think Dan, you, me

747
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: and Sam could probably just vamp on really good games

748
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: this year. Georgia Tennessee was amazing. Early in the year,

749
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: Alabama Georgia was incredible. Alabama Auburn was really good. This

750
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 1: past weekend, Oregon Indiana was a very good football game.

751
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: Texas Ohio State not that great. Texas comeback agains, Mississippi

752
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: State was incredible. A and M. Notre Dame A and

753
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: M Texas all great games.

754
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 4: Notre Dame Miami is a good game too.

755
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Notre Dame Miami was a good game first of the year, right,

756
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: But I and Dan, this maybe is more for you

757
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: because you have more historical knowledge of it. I feel like,

758
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: because of the college football Playoff, what's the real memorable

759
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: game for the year, Like, I don't know where it

760
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: is the one because none of them seem that big,

761
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: because though they matter, don't totally matter as much as

762
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 1: they used to matter. And so you don't freak out

763
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: after a game You're like, well that team season is over,

764
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: because it's almost like it's kind of never over. Yeah,

765
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: until it's over.

766
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the game and it didn't come down

767
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 2: to the wire, but it's I think that the coaching

768
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,000
Speaker 2: carousel is the number one story of this past season.

769
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: I agree, I think, and I think that's a negative story.

770
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: I think the positive story. I'm gonna say this, I

771
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: think if we're looking at positives, Indiana saved college football.

772
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 2: Indiana Indiana when you look at these and they may

773
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 2: be there for the next eight years, but right now

774
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 2: they are still new to the party after being in

775
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 2: the playoff last year. It's better this year to see

776
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: the growth of the team and the program and for

777
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 2: them to be the look at the brands. I mean,

778
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:48,280
Speaker 2: even like Texas Tech is still new to the party.

779
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: But there's just something about Indiana being twelve and zero

780
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 2: where I actually think Saturday's game is more important to

781
00:40:55,640 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 2: Indiana than outside of a national championship. A winning team

782
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 2: like to be able to show like we are now

783
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: the king of the Big Ten Conference. If they were

784
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: to beat Ohio State, I think it means way more

785
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: to Indiana than it does Ohio State this Saturday. But

786
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: I think that Indiana has been that beacon in college

787
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 2: football when there's just been a lot of negativity with

788
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: the coaching firings. It's the same old, same old. It's

789
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 2: the sec plug in this team here, this team there

790
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:28,399
Speaker 2: probably could have been old Miss if link Kiffin didn't leave.

791
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: But he's part of that coaching carousel conversation. So I

792
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,520
Speaker 2: think that Indiana has been this this beacon. Vanderbilt as

793
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: well in Diego Pavia and his mom. I think I've

794
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 2: been positive for college football, but they're a negative. But Indiana,

795
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,320
Speaker 2: to me, he's been the beacon.

796
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this is a more of a minor story.

797
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: But so I mean Clemson being just average, Clemson, Florida State,

798
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: and Virginia Tech right where Virginia Tech fires their coach.

799
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: Flora State came close, but they're like, yeah, we'll give

800
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: them another year. And Clemson it's just too expensive to

801
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 1: fire Dabos Sweeney. It's crazy. Those are hit three historically significant,

802
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: big time College twelve programs who are all at best

803
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: mediocre at best, And when you consider how the season

804
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: started for Flora State, that's a stunner.

805
00:42:25,640 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 2: There were also people who said that Clemson had the

806
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 2: best talent in all of college football to start the year.

807
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,200
Speaker 4: They're seven and five, right.

808
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 1: Seven five at least they're not six and seven six

809
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: seven seven. Sorry, I just want to any you guys.

810
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 1: I just Jason Stewart wants to murder me right now.

811
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:47,880
Speaker 4: I was random side.

812
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 1: Out and some people have browns for murder.

813
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 6: With that.

814
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: I was watching Iowa Michigan State last night. It was

815
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 3: Paul Burmeister and Nick Baugh on the broadcast, and one

816
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 3: point one of them did say six to seven and

817
00:42:57,960 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 3: neither of them reacted to it, and I was like,

818
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 3: thank you, guys, thank you for moving past this.

819
00:43:02,040 --> 00:43:05,280
Speaker 4: They could have, they didn't. Hats off to them.

820
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 7: I don't know if there's any positive in this. So

821
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 7: as a casual football fan, I just looked up the

822
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:16,839
Speaker 7: odds for the Heisman and I I mean I I

823
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 7: vaguely know these names from the season.

824
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't tell you who who's going with them.

825
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:26,279
Speaker 7: I honestly am you would think that if if I'm

826
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,840
Speaker 7: aware of just by consuming, you know, superficial knowledge of

827
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 7: college football and watching highlights, I would remember like a

828
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 7: standout play that was like a signature moment from a

829
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 7: player among this list.

830
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 8: I mean, you guys are familiar with.

831
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:50,799
Speaker 7: Julian saying uh diego, Pavia, Fernando Mendoza. I know, there's

832
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 7: no like signature, like, uh, what's his face? From Michigan

833
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 7: in the nineties had that one signature play You'll never

834
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:58,400
Speaker 7: forget it.

835
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 8: I just don't. I don't see any of that.

836
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: What's his face? You mean Desmond Howard or Charles Woodson

837
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 1: for that matter. Was it Desmon Howard striking the heisman post?

838
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

839
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, yeah, yeah, No. The Heisman has become

840
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,799
Speaker 1: whatever it really has. And I again, I think so

841
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: much of it is because of the playoff with all

842
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: what about that play? What about the play Mendoza made

843
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:29,399
Speaker 1: when they beat was it? Penn State? Are like does

844
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,000
Speaker 1: it matter that much? Whereas when you do it for

845
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: a national championship, like, oh do you remember that play?

846
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 1: So what's gonna happen. They're gonna move the They're gonna

847
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: move the voting for the ward after the playoff, and

848
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,640
Speaker 1: nothing that happens in the regular season is gonna matter

849
00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: at all.

850
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 2: Honestly, Penn State Oregon may have been game of the

851
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: Year of the year, yeah, fir, but then it falls apart.

852
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: I think that the Heisman has decided Saturday in the

853
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:50,919
Speaker 2: Big Ten title game.

854
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: I think that if between those two yeah.

855
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: I think if if Mendoza shines, then it's his for Indiana,

856
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: and if Ohio State roles with Saying doing his, I

857
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 2: think it's going to be Sayings.

858
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 7: And one of those guys just see the top overall pick.

859
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 7: Because also the rumor.

860
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 2: Well, Saying can't go to the pros yet, so he'll

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Speaker 2: be back next year.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think Mendoz is that guy, but I

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Speaker 1: could be wrong. The interesting about Mendoz is Mendoza was

864
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Speaker 1: the guy at CAL last year when they beat Stanford

865
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Speaker 1: who was getting all emotional talking about his brothers at

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Speaker 1: CAL and at the Brotherhood whatever, Like he was like, man,

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Speaker 1: this has means so much the brotherhood here, Like hey,

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Speaker 1: you want to come to Indiana play for Nation championship. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm good, Yeah sure yeah, brothers can be a different locations. Right.

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Speaker 3: I'd like to throw out one more topic here more

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Speaker 3: so uh after the fact here Oklahoma from where they

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Speaker 3: went last year this year, what they I think eight

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Speaker 3: and five, they finished seventy five with brand vnables and

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Speaker 3: now ten and two, and they did it with defense,

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Speaker 3: they did it with Mateer's magic. A lot of those

876
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:54,239
Speaker 3: wins were ugly, but.

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Speaker 1: Matier wasn't Matier after he got it right, was just

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Speaker 1: not what it was, just whatever, right.

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Speaker 3: But they may just that they've churned out wins and

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Speaker 3: and they're they're they're back their back.

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Speaker 2: That's probably the biggest what if for them. If he

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Speaker 2: doesn't break his hand then because he was not good

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Speaker 2: against Texas and rushing back for that.

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Speaker 1: Game, no, nope, nope, And that.

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Speaker 2: Is the midway.

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Speaker 5: The midway