WEBVTT - Twins checkup with Dan Hayes 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:02.680 It's hard to bring back the same band when they 0:00:02.680 --> 0:00:04.880 are twelve and twenty seven, but I think you know, 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.080 they have that stretch fresh in their minds and fans 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.719 because it's the same team, just assume that this is 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:12.160 a carryover from last year. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:18.000 Well, we've got Dan Hayes joining us right now covering 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:20.680 the Twins for the Athletic Dan. Great to have you on. 0:00:21.920 --> 0:00:25.400 How would you describe the Minnesota Twins through their first 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.240 couple weeks of the season and reaction from the fan base. 0:00:30.480 --> 0:00:33.280 Yeah, it's been a rough eleven games in the last 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:35.760 three days, four days, whatever it's been. Have had some 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:40.239 of those games that have had just very difficult losses. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.760 Blowing the six run lead on Sunday at home against 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:46.640 the Astros, you have a series win lined up in 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.840 your home, first home series of the season, to blow 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.080 that was really rough, and then last night. You know, 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:54.440 one of the things that's really bugged them early on 0:00:54.920 --> 0:00:57.760 this season is they just haven't had stability from their rotation. 0:00:57.880 --> 0:00:59.680 And this is a very good rotation. 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.680 On pay paper, Fangrafts had it projected as the fifth 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:06.080 best rotation in baseball going in, and until last night 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.839 they had a six ninety Era for their first ten games, 0:01:08.840 --> 0:01:11.400 and they haven't. I think they've had two guys go 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.760 into the sixth inning this season so far. And last 0:01:14.840 --> 0:01:18.920 night Pablo Lopez was just he was matching Cole Reagan's 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.040 you know, right and left. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:22.920 He looked amazing, had a lot of swing and miss. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:26.760 And then he gets the hamstring string, the mild hamstring 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:29.520 strand and the fifth in and it was just another 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:32.440 big blow that this team is facing no royce Lewis 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.920 early on and to lose the game they played, they 0:01:36.920 --> 0:01:39.840 were in it the entire way. The eighth inning, you 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:41.959 get to the point where Carlos Korea is coming up 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:44.360 with first and third, one out, you look like you 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:45.240 have a shot at winning. 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.680 It's one to one, and he had. 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:49.840 Hit two doubles, which you know he had one double 0:01:49.880 --> 0:01:54.240 coming in all season going into last yesterday, and hits 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.160 into a double play. Griffin Jackson comes in, gets a 0:01:57.200 --> 0:01:59.520 pop out, gets Bobby White to hit a four hopper 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.040 to the mount and airmails at the first and wits 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:05.320 on third and Pascenttino just hits a little little number 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:08.359 up the first baseline and boom, you lose two to one. 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.919 So they have been hit in the face by the 0:02:12.200 --> 0:02:15.079 shovel a few times. So far the snowshovel has been out, 0:02:15.080 --> 0:02:18.560 and really it's been a tough eleven days. And you know, 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:22.160 fans came in angry anyways, that fans have not forgotten 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.160 last season's collapse. Fans want the team sail to be complete. 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.680 Attendance was down over that first three games, severely so 0:02:31.440 --> 0:02:34.080 that fan anger was already or fan morale was already 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:34.720 pretty low. 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.560 And obviously it's not the kind of start they were 0:02:37.560 --> 0:02:37.960 looking for. 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.600 Dan, we can't get you upgraded to a king bed 0:02:42.639 --> 0:02:46.840 and wherever you are, because I mean, I mean. 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.040 I took I probably took a good deal, like but yes, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:53.760 I was walked in the other day and was a 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:54.800 little surprised myself. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.880 So I mean, you don't go to the front desk 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:58.640 and say, I'm Dan Hayes, I'm part of the athletic. 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:00.600 I can't get a king bed. I mean maybe being upgrade. 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:01.680 I'm going to write about it. 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:07.000 Yeah, No, nobody wants to hear about beat writers travel issues, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:09.840 so they I get that stuff. 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:15.000 They wait real quick, there you go. 0:03:15.160 --> 0:03:17.960 Hey, you guys were talking about NBAHM there for a minute. 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.200 I just wanted because Sahative is part of the network, 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.239 and I just wanted to ring bring something back. About 0:03:24.280 --> 0:03:26.560 seven years ago, you guys were talking about the I 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.720 have this. I don't know if it'll show up. 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:33.799 But yeah we can see higher there we go, Wait, Hi, 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:36.080 no high higher there there you go. 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:41.880 There that was Sahat was the Magic and I was 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:45.360 the Warriors. And that was at an arcade in Phoenix. 0:03:45.600 --> 0:03:47.320 It was an adult arcade in Phoenix. 0:03:47.400 --> 0:03:48.080 And uh. 0:03:49.560 --> 0:03:53.160 To sixteen, I've never seen someone, a grown man cry 0:03:53.160 --> 0:03:56.320 in public, but I I made cry and I want 0:03:56.400 --> 0:03:57.640 that to be out on the internet. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:02.760 Uh, like that was your's. I still so it's a 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:06.960 it's a highlight for me. But how bad? 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.320 First of all, before we're gonna get back to the twins, 0:04:09.320 --> 0:04:11.240 but how bad were the magic they had Nick Anderson 0:04:11.280 --> 0:04:13.680 to Scott Skyles. Not that Scott Skyles wasn't a great player. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:15.880 He did set the assist record on my birthday one 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:17.560 year against the Nuggas. You had like forty. 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:19.400 Thirty. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.320 Yeah, yeah, crazy, But he was the fact that it 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.120 was Nick Anderson and Scott Skyles on NBA jam versus 0:04:25.160 --> 0:04:28.080 anybody feels like that could be the score almost every time. 0:04:28.640 --> 0:04:30.040 Yeah, I don't know what they were thinking when they 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:30.719 picked that team. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:35.640 To be honest and being Chris Burton being physical was 0:04:35.640 --> 0:04:38.359 was very fun. I think, I said, I think I 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:43.560 had a triple double as weber alone and blocks, assists, rebounds, 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.719 and I think I barely got the points. 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Speaking of 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.680 getting dominated, I know it's calling up there in old Minnesota. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:02.320 You talk about Carlos Carea, but nobody's hitting on this 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.000 team well where, I mean, Korea is going to be better, 0:06:05.040 --> 0:06:07.480 Buckston has got to be better. But you just look 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.240 at it as like Wallner is doing okay, but the 0:06:09.320 --> 0:06:12.520 rest of the team, I mean Castro struggling, Larnick struggling, 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:14.800 all of them are struggling. Is it the weather or 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.600 is it something else that we're not looking at here? 0:06:17.200 --> 0:06:18.680 Yeah, it's hard to say. 0:06:19.800 --> 0:06:21.920 I was looking at it yesterday and the ops pluses 0:06:21.920 --> 0:06:24.800 were like, I think Castro is above one hundred, I 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:28.400 think Warner was above one hundred. Everybody else, like Carlos 0:06:28.480 --> 0:06:31.160 care was minus seven going into yesterday in a three 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:35.720 eighteen ops. He's had a little weird season because there's 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.800 been a lot of hard contact that found gloves early 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:41.120 on his exit velocity that first six games was up. 0:06:42.760 --> 0:06:45.839 He started to dial in far more and you could 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.440 see it. Sunday, I think he had two walks in 0:06:47.440 --> 0:06:50.839 the single and then his bad against Ersig late in 0:06:50.920 --> 0:06:54.240 the game on Monday was fantastic. He struck out, but 0:06:54.279 --> 0:06:55.440 it was a twelve pitch at bat and he was 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:58.719 just missing. And so last night, you know, he faces 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.960 Reagans and doubles to center and the first at batan 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:02.960 that's the only guy on the team. 0:07:03.200 --> 0:07:05.320 They even came close to touching Reagan's. 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:07.280 And he had another double later, but then of course 0:07:07.320 --> 0:07:10.920 the double playball in the key situation happened. And it 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:12.880 just feels like that's what's happened on the Twins so 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:16.560 far as you'll get individual moments, but nobody is stringing 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.280 hits together, and the offense is just They've had two 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.040 really beginnings, but overall the group hasn't been very good. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.200 Missing Lewis hurts. You know, brooks Lee is on the 0:07:28.240 --> 0:07:30.040 mend and they hope he can come up and hit, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:33.320 and last year he didn't except for his first two weeks. 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:37.200 They really need things to go well, Harrison Vaders leads 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.200 the team in home runs and RBIs and he's been 0:07:39.240 --> 0:07:41.320 batting ninth most of the time or eighth in the lineup. 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:43.880 So it just hasn't gone the way they want to. 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:47.880 They really worked on this to avoid it in spring training. 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:51.080 They put in a lot of different new tactics. Matt 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:54.480 Borkshualte's their new hitting coach. They the first two rounds 0:07:54.520 --> 0:07:57.280 of batting practice this year were focused or all season 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.400 ends mandatory batting practice on the field for everybody, But 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.560 the first two rounds are focused on opposite way. Then 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:05.440 it's line drives for the third round, and then it's 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.040 kind of choose your own adventure in rounds four and five. 0:08:08.640 --> 0:08:12.080 And so they really have tried to do something to 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:14.960 limit the fact where when they don't homer, they can 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:18.120 find ways to score, and so far that hasn't really matriculated. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.440 But you know, for you guys that did floor to 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:25.840 spring training, you know that it's really hard to get 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.360 a ton of bats there. Like when you're in Fort Myers, 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.520 the nearest team is the Red Sox ten minutes away, 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 but then the next one is fifty minutes away, and 0:08:33.920 --> 0:08:37.120 you know, Arizona have like five teams within fifty minutes. 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:39.680 So to get fifty plate appearances out of veterans is 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:42.560 a really hard thing to do. The Twins had nine 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:46.400 guys out of there thirteen with fifty plate appearances. Everybody 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:49.040 played Carlos Carea is on the road, you know, an 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.600 hour north. Veterans don't typically do that, but Roco really 0:08:52.600 --> 0:08:56.280 wanted them to be ready for the season and turn 0:08:56.320 --> 0:08:58.280 it around. And you know last year there were seven 0:08:58.320 --> 0:09:00.960 and thirteen over their first twenty. They wanted to avoid 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:02.960 that and they were hoping the offense could do that. 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:06.480 They got all their working. It just hasn't happened so far. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:12.120 You said mandatory, BP, Is this like a revelation? Is 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:15.960 this like a rule on a team that didn't have rules? 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:18.200 Or I mean you brought it up, so I have 0:09:18.320 --> 0:09:20.640 to ask, like, was it not mandatory before? 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:21.920 It wasn't. 0:09:21.960 --> 0:09:25.520 So, Look, they talked a lot about how when COVID hit, 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.000 you know, a lot of it was individual instruction. 0:09:28.160 --> 0:09:30.480 Guys were basically it was you were. 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:33.120 Limited in twenty one to working with a coach at 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:35.000 the time, and so a lot of guys got used 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.800 to hitting indoors and they wouldn't necessarily Corella loves hitting indoors, 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.440 like most of his work would be in the cage, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:44.680 and I think what they wanted to do was get 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:49.600 the team together more and you know, observing and talking, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:53.200 hitting and more like a structured thing. So yeah, I think, 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:54.959 you know, in the past, you look at the Twins, 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:57.560 they've had a lot of veteran laden teams. Nelson Cruz 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.400 was was the guy from nineteen to twenty one, and 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.760 it was a veteran established team around them. Last year 0:10:06.080 --> 0:10:08.320 they brought up a lot of younger guys, and I 0:10:08.360 --> 0:10:11.120 think they wanted the older guys working more focused with 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.920 the younger guys just. 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.680 To keep things together. 0:10:15.520 --> 0:10:19.400 And that part's been interesting because you know it's early 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.080 in the year, and yeah, no team is going to 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.760 get two demoralized over a rough start. But there's been 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.800 a ton of conversation in games where hitting has not 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.480 been there, and you see guys, you know, taking notes 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.760 and talking to each other and it's spirited conversation. They're 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.600 really into it. So I think in that regard, they 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.480 were looking to kind of keep the group together a 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.520 little more, and I think that's actually worked pretty well. 0:10:40.640 --> 0:10:43.600 It's just the results haven't been there. But Yeah, absolutely, 0:10:43.640 --> 0:10:48.360 they changed everything to mandatory. The pitchers talked about how 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.439 they didn't see the position players this year because usually 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:53.640 they were spread out over so many fields, working with 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:56.520 different coaches or in the cages and doing a lot 0:10:56.520 --> 0:11:00.080 of individualized drills. And I think you know that that 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:03.120 just was sort of something that started with COVID and 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.959 the industry, Like Derek Falvey said, it's something that's happened 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:06.800 a lot in the industry. 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:08.720 They decided to take it the other way. 0:11:09.040 --> 0:11:11.280 Matt borg SCHAALTI brought in some different ideas for what 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:14.320 had worked in Baltimore and wanted to kind of prove 0:11:14.360 --> 0:11:16.839 it and see how it worked. And they're very satisfied 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:20.040 with that aspect it. Again, they just didn't expect to 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:20.920 be three and eight at this. 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:24.600 Point because of the lack of moves. This is essentially 0:11:24.640 --> 0:11:29.440 the same roster from August tenth. Last year. August tenth, 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:31.320 this team was on its way to the playoffs. They 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.840 were going to battle with the Royals to figure out 0:11:33.840 --> 0:11:38.240 who's going to win the Central what's changed, What's changed? 0:11:38.280 --> 0:11:42.440 And I know sometimes different like players don't just fade 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:45.560 out or age out in you know, the last month 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:47.760 of a season. And then the beginning of another season. 0:11:47.800 --> 0:11:51.720 But something has changed or did you see it coming 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:53.360 before August tenth. 0:11:54.240 --> 0:11:56.960 No, you know, Joe Ryan got hurt on August eighth 0:11:57.040 --> 0:11:59.520 last year, and on August seventeenth there were seventy and 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.200 fifty three. So Correa is down at that point already 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.360 with the planner fasciatus. He's actually looked great physically. You 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:11.640 can tell that that's not bothering him right now. Buxton 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.439 went down with a hip injury and missed twenty eight games. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:17.400 So they were already up against it with pitching when 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.480 Joe Ryan went down, Like this was a team that 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.720 went in extremely thin and they're starting pitching. Last year, 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.240 Anthony di Scliffani was part of the plan. He got 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:27.280 hurt in spring training, never threw a pitch for them. 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:29.679 They were counting on Chris Paddock to throw like one 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:33.080 hundred innings last year, coming off of eighteen in his 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.079 first year back from Temmy his second Tommy John. He 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.240 was done by end of June, and then when Joe 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.880 Ryan goes down, basically it's Pablo Lopez, Bailey Ober and 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:46.120 three rookies who all hit their innings limits. You know, 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.840 early September and they were basically hoping to get five 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.920 innings out of David Festus, sim And Wood Richardson and 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:56.360 Zebbie Matthews, who had started last year in a ball 0:12:56.520 --> 0:12:59.280 so they knew what they were up against. An injuries 0:12:59.360 --> 0:13:02.280 just they sacked that team. I mean it was it 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.600 was obvious Bucks and Korea got back for the last 0:13:04.600 --> 0:13:07.199 two weeks. It was just too late. A lot of 0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:10.120 their young guys were in slumped and couldn't get out 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:12.920 of at Royce Lewis, you know, the last two hundred 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:15.439 played appearances, I think had it under five hundred ops. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:17.600 He still ended up with like a seven to fifty 0:13:17.600 --> 0:13:19.720 ops for the season. But you know, he had been 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:23.559 so incredible in June and July that I don't know, 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:27.880 it's it's strange. You can see the makings of a 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:31.440 decent team there. You know, ty France had a great 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:36.040 spring and has hit the ball hard early. He's provided 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:40.920 some steadiness, but it's it has not quite worked. And 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:44.320 I don't expect Korea to be a three eighteen ops player. 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:47.679 You know, his worst April was like six thirty six. 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.440 There's a lot of area for him to go upward. 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.079 There's a lot for Buckston to go back up. I 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.600 don't you know this team is accustomed to rough starts, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:59.960 being seven to thirteen last year. In their eleventh game 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.079 last year, they fell to four and seven. In that game, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.400 Korea has got an oblique injury and went on the il. 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.720 They were already down Royce Lewis, and then they rallied 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:11.240 and they had the twelve game winning streak and figured 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:14.120 it out and were seventy and fifty three. So I 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:17.080 think they can bounce back. The starting pitching just hasn't 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.920 been what they'd hoped so far. Joe Ryan, you can 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:22.160 tell that they are trying to ease him in after 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:25.440 last year's injury. Bailey Over got sick before his first start, 0:14:25.520 --> 0:14:28.840 had something like flew like symptoms and lost eight pounds 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:30.280 and got rocked. 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:30.720 In Saint Louis. 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.720 And he's gained six of those eight pounds back, but 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:36.800 he only went four his last time out. And the 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:39.360 rotation and the bullpen are supposed to be a huge 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:42.160 part of this so far has not been. I don't 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:44.800 expect that to hold, even if you know Chris Paddock 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:47.360 has struggled. Even if they have to go to one 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.080 of Festa or Zebie Matthews if that's the case, eventually, 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:52.760 I think they have a lot more pitching depth that 0:14:52.800 --> 0:14:55.000 they should be able to rely on and get them 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:58.600 back on track. The fact that they are sitting here 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:01.640 with four and two thre average Indians from their starting 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:03.720 rotation right now is kind of stunning because it was 0:15:03.760 --> 0:15:06.480 clearly part of the plan to keep them afloat early 0:15:06.520 --> 0:15:08.720 when the offense, you know, take its time to get 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:09.840 it get on track. 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.120 Dan, quick one for you here, because then I have 0:15:13.280 --> 0:15:15.640 another one on a topic that I think is juicier. 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:18.560 But Susie has a question in the chat, said, can 0:15:18.600 --> 0:15:20.600 you ask why Rocco brought in Duran to face the 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.280 bottom of the order and then Jacks to face the 0:15:22.280 --> 0:15:24.440 heart of the order in the ninth I mean, it 0:15:24.480 --> 0:15:27.840 looks like this year and going into you know, looking 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:31.200 at last year as well, that they look at Jacks 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.680 just as highly regarded as Duran and they pick a 0:15:33.760 --> 0:15:34.840 lane in the lineup. 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:36.400 So that's the answer, right. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.320 It is, And it's not anything that they've ever They've 0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.760 always done this. They always have been matchup based. And 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:45.160 I'm sure the relievers love that he because there's no 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.200 guy that gets thirty saves right and saves gets you paid. 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:52.480 But Griffin Jackson, they think very highly of him. I 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.280 think that last year Duran struggled, and Duran has been 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.600 throwing the ball well this year. But I think last 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:01.520 year Duran Jackson times surpassing me. He was two oh 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.240 three e ra A, seventy one innings, ninety five strikeouts. 0:16:04.360 --> 0:16:06.800 He was the guy. His slider gets in on lefties. 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:10.200 He's dangerous. The damage that's been done on him so 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:13.760 far this years had been on fastballs. So and it was, 0:16:13.840 --> 0:16:16.120 you know, Sunday was two pitches. He gave up the 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:19.160 single and then the two run homer to Alvarez, who 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.880 did dominated with fastballs up in the zone all series. 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:23.760 And then Alvarez turned that one. 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:27.920 But that's typical and Duran, if he throws the way 0:16:27.920 --> 0:16:29.920 he did Sunday, we'll see a lot more ninth innings. 0:16:30.080 --> 0:16:32.240 In fact, last night they reversed the rules. 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:35.360 But it was Jack's getting the middle of the lineup 0:16:35.360 --> 0:16:37.480 and the hardest part of the lineup. They just they 0:16:37.520 --> 0:16:39.320 have a lot of trust in him, and they'll continue 0:16:39.320 --> 0:16:40.200 to have trust in him. 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.200 So that's not atypical. They did it with Taylor Rodgers. 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.040 They've done it, you know with everybody over the last 0:16:46.080 --> 0:16:48.160 couple of years, and it's all matchup based. 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.960 So let's finish with this, Dan. We can and I'm 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.760 talking we as in twins. Fans really can complain about 0:16:56.960 --> 0:16:59.440 what happened last year, the twelve and twenty seven collapse, 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:04.800 I mean, right, and then years of staleness of nothingness 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.760 from the front office blaming ownership and they can't get 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:10.640 the team sold yet. Okay, we got all that. Let's 0:17:10.680 --> 0:17:13.760 go one layer down, front office. If you're giving a 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:17.240 mandate on budget, why do you think they haven't gotten 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.720 a little more creative with at least trying to mix 0:17:20.760 --> 0:17:22.879 and match. Like if it's me and I'm running a 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.240 team and I know I'm not. I'm looking at the 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:27.600 collapse last year and saying, got it, this is our 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:29.399 hard budget. We can't go off of this. 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:30.439 It is what it is. 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:32.280 Right now, I'm going to try and do some things 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:33.960 to switch it up. I'm going to do a trade 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.160 that either really will work or not. Do you think 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:39.160 that front offices in a state like this are scared 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:42.280 of losing on a trade because putting the same exact 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:45.439 team out there after that collapse, to me, was just 0:17:45.560 --> 0:17:47.679 not a good message. And I feel like this happens 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:50.760 sometimes in baseball and it almost never produces a better result, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.240 Like one of the worst collapses in the twenty first century, 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:55.080 What are they going to do about it? Roll out 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:57.879 the same roster. So did you ever get any answers 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.520 as to why they didn't do anything even to keep 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.000 the payroll in the same range. 0:18:02.560 --> 0:18:04.960 I think they probably didn't get the value that they 0:18:04.960 --> 0:18:06.920 were looking for. They're known as a tough team to 0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:11.280 trade with, and I've heard that plenty, so I don't 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:13.040 know that they got the value. I'm sure they would 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:17.320 have entertained trading Joan Durant to somebody if they were 0:18:17.520 --> 0:18:19.359 in the market for a good reliever. 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:21.480 They have a bunch of year three. 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:27.880 To six guys that are affordable and talented, so they 0:18:27.960 --> 0:18:29.960 stuck with that group. And they tried to switch it 0:18:30.040 --> 0:18:32.320 up by doing the mandatory stuff, and they really focus 0:18:32.400 --> 0:18:34.439 on the picture or the position player side with that. 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:36.560 And you know, they brought in Harrison Bader, they brought 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:39.120 in Ty France, they made some moves on the edge. 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:41.439 They brought in Danny Kolom to fill the left handed 0:18:41.880 --> 0:18:45.240 reliever role, and they added about fourteen million in payroll. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:47.680 But they knew they were largely bringing back the same team, 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:50.080 and I agree it's hard to bring back the same 0:18:50.160 --> 0:18:52.479 band when they are twelve and twenty seven. But I 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.200 think you know, they have that stretch fresh in their 0:18:55.240 --> 0:18:58.679 minds and fans because it's the same team just assume 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.320 that this is a carryover for last year and it's 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:02.200 not a new team. 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.040 But what they looked at were the injuries. 0:19:05.080 --> 0:19:06.960 And I don't know that you're gonna get value for 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:09.399 Royce Lewis, and you probably might have been trading him 0:19:09.440 --> 0:19:11.680 at a low point last year because of the way 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:13.880 he struggled at the end and the fact that he's 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:17.200 missed games. So in some ways, you know, you look 0:19:17.240 --> 0:19:20.119