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Speaker 1: As we usually do on a Sunday night, you hear

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Speaker 1: about fifty five minutes to an hour. Let's start with

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Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark. I watched it on a plane. Generally, the

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Speaker 1: great team beats the great player. I think Ukon is

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Speaker 1: going to beat Zach Edy. I think, I mean South

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Speaker 1: the better team. I frankly I thought Yukon women were

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Speaker 1: if you don't like your game, stay away from those people.

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Speaker 3: I thought these last two games, and listen beside a

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Speaker 3: couple of times last year, it's not like I've been

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Speaker 3: glued to Caitlyn Clark's season. I was riveted. I mean

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Speaker 3: willed her team to win. Colin I was tempted at

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Speaker 3: they were a big underdog. I almost gamble on women's

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Speaker 3: college basketball game and it wasn't going to be a

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Speaker 3: But she is what I don't understand, and I get it,

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Speaker 3: Like I defend the guys in the NBA from the

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Speaker 3: They're talking about the percentage of guys making these two

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Speaker 3: Fifteen million people are watching these women's college basketball games.

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Speaker 3: I think there's something that resonates with people. I mean,

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Speaker 3: getting it done once they start paying you a lot

423
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Speaker 3: and you're hanging your hat on a champion ship from

424
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,720
Speaker 3: two thousand and ten or eleven, like it's twenty twenty four.

425
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Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah. Musselman Apparently, I was told his wife,

426
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Speaker 1: Danielle Musselman ticked off one of the boosters. It wasn't

427
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Speaker 1: Tyson's Foods. The Tyson Foods is one of the baseball

428
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,640
Speaker 1: but it was somebody else. There's a third sponsor there

429
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: and was I was told that. You know, Musselman's intense,

430
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 1: He's not for everybody. I know Jen Cohen very well.

431
00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 1: She she wanted somebody that was, you know, a grinder

432
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Speaker 1: and was really about basketball, and I think she got it.

433
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 1: Tom Crean is Jim Harbaught text to me. You know

434
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Speaker 1: a lot of people were in the Tom Crean corner,

435
00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 1: you know, they really really like Tom. I thought Tom

436
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,480
Speaker 1: would have been a fine choice, but I think Musselman's

437
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 1: a good choice. But it'll be interesting with Calipari because

438
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Speaker 1: it would be like Nick Saban was winning Natty's every

439
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 1: other year. And Calipari was getting dusted every other year

440
00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: in the tournament. And those those were the two programs

441
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: of No Bama football and Kentucky basketball. And I could

442
00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 1: argue it's easier in basketball because if you have one

443
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,560
Speaker 1: or two NBA players, you're gonna run through a conference.

444
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 3: I think the hard part about basketball relative to football,

445
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 3: Like he just had the equivalent of like a ten

446
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 3: and two or eleven in one year season, but you

447
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,840
Speaker 3: get bounced in the first round, and it is just

448
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 3: it's it equals all your games from the regular season,

449
00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,879
Speaker 3: where in college football, well it's gonna change now with

450
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:25,040
Speaker 3: the expanded playoff, but if you lost in the final four,

451
00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 3: it was still a very successful season, right. But I

452
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 3: do think and you're gonna see it this year in

453
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 3: college football. Brian Kelly, who just might have the number

454
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Speaker 3: two pick in the draft, they had an incredible They

455
00:23:35,320 --> 00:23:37,359
Speaker 3: went nine and three and they lost Ole Miss and

456
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Speaker 3: Lane Kiffin like that. It's not gonna fly down there

457
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: for a long time. I mean, we've seen it. We're

458
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Speaker 3: Jim mckaway guys. Once that's snowball and negativity, they start

459
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,639
Speaker 3: coming for you. Whether it's fair or not, there is

460
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Speaker 3: no stopping it, And I would say Kentucky basketball is

461
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Speaker 3: probably the closest thing in Who wouldn't you say to

462
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 3: like Alabama l Ship.

463
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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Oh they're gorgeous arena, It's like North Carolina in Kentucky.

464
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:07,040
Speaker 1: It's it's the the revenue, the facilities. I look at Calipari.

465
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 1: My knock on him was I used to joke Calapanzi,

466
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I get the one and done scheme,

467
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 1: Like it's not working anymore. Let's let's like get juniors

468
00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,200
Speaker 1: and seniors.

469
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Speaker 3: But if you and I were an ad, like who

470
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 3: would you rather be in business with? Jay Wright? Bill self?

471
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: And he start going to the other five guys, there's

472
00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 3: not many, Dan Hurley, you would choose them all over Califari.

473
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: Well where even when Satan was a paying your ass,

474
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, wow, I'd go with Nick right, be a

475
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: no brainer?

476
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Speaker 1: Well yeah, And a lot of Mark Fugh is not

477
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 1: going to go there. So a lot of the college

478
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Speaker 1: basketball coaches, like Jay Wright was not leaving Villanova, Mark

479
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 1: Fugh is not leaving Gonzaga. UCLA's offered him the job

480
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: twice in Oregon once Kansas Nope. So what happens in

481
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,880
Speaker 1: college basketball more than these football coaches will bounce anywhere.

482
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Speaker 1: But in college basketball, these guys that are they've got

483
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 1: of got a they've kind of they know they're getting

484
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 1: into the tournament every year. Like Beheim, you got it,

485
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: kind of you're getting into the tournament. In college football,

486
00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,320
Speaker 1: you can have a hell of a season you're Alabama,

487
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 1: you lose to Georgia, you're not in the tournament and

488
00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: you're getting Remember that the time he lost to Auburn,

489
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,360
Speaker 1: he had to go. He had to go to Texas

490
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:13,960
Speaker 1: because his boosters were like, you know, Nick, I don't

491
00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: know if it's working. You're like, I got like three titles,

492
00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: what are you doing. Basketball guys will stay, so you're

493
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: not gonna get Jay Wright or Bill Self or Mark Feud.

494
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: They're not leaving. They're getting into the tournament every year,

495
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:26,600
Speaker 1: and they like their wife's like it. They've got a

496
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: social circle. So and I understand that. For Calipari, I

497
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,959
Speaker 1: do think he's a good coach. But the Kentucky thing,

498
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: if he leaves, is very interesting because he doesn't want

499
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Speaker 1: to budge on that one and done stuff. That's that's

500
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: his thing. And by the way, I've.

501
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Speaker 3: Always easier, right, wouldn't you say it's easier. Well, it's

502
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 3: in there out.

503
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Speaker 1: I think, if you know, it's the old inner scoreboard,

504
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,679
Speaker 1: outer scoreboard. A lot of guys talk shit, but do

505
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: you really have confidence if you really trust your coaching,

506
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 1: like Jay Wright trust is coaching. He gets three star

507
00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: guys and developed he doesn't early Yeah, they know they're

508
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,199
Speaker 1: good coaches. Does Calipari have self doubt and think I

509
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 1: just need better? Dudes? Because name a coach in any

510
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: sport that has ever said, you know, I'm willing to

511
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: give up complete continuity. No coach likes it. There's not

512
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: a high school coach. There's no coach in the history

513
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 1: of any sport that says I want a revolving door

514
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: of players. Calipari is doing it because my take is,

515
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: deep down he questions his coaching. No, no coach wants

516
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,200
Speaker 1: to cycle through players every year.

517
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 3: He runs the most expensive AAU program in the country. Essentially, Yeah,

518
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 3: it's a good way to put you know. I mean,

519
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 3: I don't know what they generate, probably hundred million dollars

520
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 3: something that he's what he's running. Where you watch Purdue

521
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: or Dan Hurley, I mean they're running a college basketball program.

522
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 3: He's running like a bed and breakfast, you're in and

523
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 3: you're out.

524
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Speaker 1: So I feel with some confidence that the first two

525
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: players picked in this draft are going to be Caleb

526
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:03,800
Speaker 1: William and Jade and Daniel based on what I'm hearing

527
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: on Jade and Daniels playing style in Cliff Kingsbury's history,

528
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:12,959
Speaker 1: that Washington thinks that's a better fit for the current staff,

529
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: and they also believe Jade and Daniel's ability. And you've

530
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:21,360
Speaker 1: seen this to move buys you a couple of years

531
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: of figuring out complex NFL defenses. We saw it with Lamar,

532
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: which Jalen hurts, where you run around for Russell Wilson,

533
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: you run around for a couple of years until you

534
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: kind of figure out Josh Allen. You know, it's like

535
00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,359
Speaker 1: I'm gonna run around for a couple of years on

536
00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,199
Speaker 1: third and six, and it buys you drives, it buys

537
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: you wins, buys you time to figure out complex defenses.

538
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: Most quarterbacks say in year three, Mahomes, I think said

539
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: beginning of year three everything slowed down. I get it now,

540
00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 1: So I am this is what I'm hearing that. If

541
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,080
Speaker 1: I asked two executs ktives in the league, they said

542
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: their feeling was Caleb one, Jade and Daniels two. Drake

543
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 1: May's inconsistency scares them. But if you go back a

544
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: year to hit a year's ago, it.

545
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 3: Was good two years ago.

546
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, if you go back to what it's a lot

547
00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: like Jordan Love, there's a lot to like. If you

548
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: go back to the previous year, he ran for six

549
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,879
Speaker 1: seven hundred yards anticipatory throws. Sometimes you lose a coordinator,

550
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: a left tackle, an NFL receiver, whatever it is. Jordan

551
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: Love lost a lot of people good good junior tape

552
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,960
Speaker 1: or sophomore tape, bad junior tape. So anyway, I Cliff

553
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 1: Kingsbury Jaden Daniels is what I'm hearing.

554
00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:48,200
Speaker 3: I think two things can be true. I think the

555
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: Caleb's in his own universe in this class. Yeah, So

556
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 3: whoever goes to it's hard to make an argument that

557
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 3: they made the wrong decision, right because, like you said,

558
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 3: Drake kind of fell off this year. Jayden Daniels somewhat

559
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 3: of a year. Wonder JJ McCarthy. His statistical profile, the

560
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 3: way he's spent what he's been asked to do is no.

561
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean they could win games with him throwing nine

562
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 3: attempts a game. It's like Jimmy Garoppolo twenty nineteen against

563
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:14,959
Speaker 3: the Packers. Yeah, I do think though, in knowing Adam Peters,

564
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:16,440
Speaker 3: and this is why it's kind of been a little

565
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 3: cloak and dagger. He's kind of from the Belichick. He's

566
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: not a big talker to the media lettingm know what's

567
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 3: going on. Obviously, he's worked at places that are very

568
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 3: beholden to the head coach, and it's smart to give

569
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: the head coach and the operation who you want. But

570
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury, if they were to have success, like he

571
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 3: could get a college job. Like so anytime you draft

572
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 3: because of your coordinator, it's one thing if you draft

573
00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: if Sean McVay is like, let's take Michael Pennix in

574
00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:44,920
Speaker 3: the first round, why not. As long as Sean mcvay's there,

575
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: he's the guy calling the place, or Lafleur or Kyle

576
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 3: or Andy. But like is Cliff Kingsbury if they have

577
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: success guaranteed to be there. That I always find that

578
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 3: their head coach is a defensive guy. And we've seen

579
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 3: before he's very predicated. His success was on Kyle and

580
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 3: then they had a little success with Sark and then

581
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 3: it kind of fell apart once they all left. So

582
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 3: I think you should take whoever you feel the best

583
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 3: player is. And it's hard if you throw on. Just

584
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 3: go to YouTube watch Jayden Daniels and Malik Davers. He's

585
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 3: really good. I mean, there's no disputing he's got a

586
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 3: big time arm. He's obviously an elite athlete. He's accurate

587
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: down the field. The knock is size. Wait that being

588
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 3: not right, but the way he plays, he's one of

589
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: Lamar's great attributes is he doesn't take big hits. Yeah,

590
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: Michael Vick was kind of the opposite. He kind of

591
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 3: took off. Jayden takes that on. And in the NFL,

592
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 3: this might not be nineteen eighty three, but you still

593
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 3: get hit hard.

594
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: But if Dan Quinn says, Cliff, I'm gonna I'm gonna

595
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 1: give you a lot of say in this, and Cliff,

596
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: let's just say it's selfish, says, well, I've had the

597
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels style before. I can win with that style.

598
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: He knows he can't.

599
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I can see Dan relinquishing some to Adam

600
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: and Cliff and saying, Okay, you guys don't want input,

601
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 1: and Cliff's saying, well, I've worked with that before the

602
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 1: Jaden thing, I can use, I can do. I'm just

603
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 1: told that style Kingsbury, Jaden Daniels Right now, that's the

604
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: feeling that that's where they're going.

605
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 3: I was talking to a buddy who's a high up

606
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 3: guy with a team that does not need a quarterback,

607
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: and his comment was, after Caleb Williams, I'm glad I'm

608
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 3: not in that business because it's it's just not that.

609
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 3: I mean, all these guys are talented, but I'm even

610
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: pro JJ McCarthy because my comp to him is a

611
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: little Alex Smith. Yeah, clearly he's a high level guy,

612
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: physical attributes, he goes to the rights place he can

613
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:38,360
Speaker 3: have success. But history shows more than half of these

614
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 3: guys fail. Right, and it's an overwhelming position, even these

615
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: guys coming from LSU, Michigan, these big even North Carolina.

616
00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: It's a whole different ballgame now. The popularity of the NFL,

617
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 3: the pressure of the NFL. You've talked about it. By

618
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 3: the second Thanksgiving, it's like either shit or get off

619
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: the pot here, so it's pedal to the metal. Money

620
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 3: doesn't matter anymore. We can pay you to leave. I

621
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 3: mean the Jets, there's a decent chance. The Jets cut

622
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: Zach Wilson. Clearly they're hoping to trade in. Well, no

623
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: one's trading for an eight million dollar backup.

624
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 1: The campbellay, Well, this is one of the most circumstantial

625
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 1: drafts I remember. I'll give you a team, the New

626
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: York Giants. I was told this two days ago by

627
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: a higher up in the NFL in a front office.

628
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: He said, take a look at the New York Giants.

629
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: He goes, if Jaden Daniels or Drake May fall, they

630
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: will take them. They're not moving up, they don't have

631
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,080
Speaker 1: they don't want to give up draft capital. They're stuck

632
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones. But they could either take Jaden Daniels

633
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 1: or Drake May. This executive said, that would make a

634
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of sense if they fell to you. If they don't,

635
00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: they would also potentially take a star receiver if Harrison

636
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: or Neighbors is available, or they look at it and think, oh,

637
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,000
Speaker 1: those two receivers are now both gone. The Chargers can't

638
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,800
Speaker 1: get out of five. They take Harrison, go to Arizona.

639
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: The Chargers can't move back. They take a receiver which

640
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: they need, and the Giants trade down. And this executive

641
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: said the Giants are a great example of you can

642
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: do a million mock drafts. It's going to depend on

643
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: what happens above them. Because his take is, it's really

644
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: rich when you have an average roster and the Giants

645
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: offensive roster is below average, below and that's for you

646
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: cannot give up multiple firsts like you need hits, and

647
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: the safest hits in this draft and any draft is

648
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: a first round pick in the top twelve. So this

649
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: person was just saying, the Giants are class example. They

650
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: could take They'll take a quarterback if they fall probably won't,

651
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: but they would. They'll take a receiver. If the Chargers don't,

652
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: they'll move down potentially. And he said there, he goes,

653
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 1: this draft is going to be outside of the top

654
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: couple of picks. He said, Washington and Chicago aren't moving.

655
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: After that, it's all circumstantial. It's who's is. If Minnesota

656
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: goes hyper aggressive, he goes. The other thing, he says,

657
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: keep your eye on Denver. Everybody's talking about falling back.

658
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: He said, if you like bow Nicks and the Raiders

659
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: jump ahead of you two spots and these quarterbacks start

660
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: drying up, McCarthy got four of them gone and you're

661
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: not into Pennix, which if you look at Peyton's offense,

662
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,759
Speaker 1: Penis isn't a good fit. So I think we're just

663
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna have kind of a wild draft. I do think

664
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: there's gonna be multiple teams trading down and I can't

665
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 1: wait for well.

666
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 3: To me, the visits that you see come across the wire,

667
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:31,920
Speaker 3: like so and so visited the team random guys. Sometimes

668
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 3: it can be smoke screens or whatever. But when you

669
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: see the top ten guys, when like all the receivers

670
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 3: are going to meet Harbaugh, when all the receivers are

671
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: going to New York, when Pennix and bow Nicks are

672
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 3: going to the Raiders and going to Denver, those are

673
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: enormous job interviews, right. I mean there's already been parts

674
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 3: of the job interview, but that's sitting down with the owner,

675
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 3: eating a meal, spending time with the entire staff for

676
00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 3: large portions of a day. You feel one way or

677
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 3: another when that guy leaves because you already know him

678
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: as as a player, So it's like, do I trust

679
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 3: this guy? And that can be the swing for a

680
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: lot of these guys, right, Because this does not feel

681
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: like a draft, like you said, where anyone's hiding anything.

682
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 3: We all know who needs the receivers, we know who

683
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 3: needs the quarterbacks. The Dave Ball thing, though, after his

684
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:15,879
Speaker 3: first year, is hard not to go. Got this guy's

685
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 3: a star. What he did with a pretty average roster

686
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,359
Speaker 3: last year was pretty embarrassing. Yeah right, They doubled down

687
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 3: on Daniel Jones. It was immediately ugly. The coaches weren't

688
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 3: getting along. It's pretty embarrassing. It's not something that the

689
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 3: old school owner likes. There's pressure. He can't just have

690
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: another crappy season. Everything beat Kumbaya, especially Cowboys, and the

691
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: Eagles are having Now Washington starts trending up. You got

692
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 3: McVeigh and Shanahan crushing packers are good. It's like, what

693
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 3: the hell are the Giants doing getting lapped in obscurity

694
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:48,000
Speaker 3: and embarrassment. So I would imagine if you're dable, you

695
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 3: want players, you don't want a quarterback, right because if

696
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: you get a rookie quarterback, the guy comes in, maybe

697
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 3: by late October, you're already kind of bad. Your offensive

698
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: weapons suck, and then you're you're gonna want one of

699
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,240
Speaker 3: those wider maybe the second round, take another offensive weapon

700
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: and try to be competitive this year now that, And

701
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: that's where in the NFL some of these sometimes these

702
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: teams coming off bad years, the coach and the front

703
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: office and the ownership can have different visions and that's

704
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 3: where things can get weird. So if I was stable,

705
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: I would not want a quarterback because there's no guarantee.

706
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: The lasted four years, the Giants ran through like three

707
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 3: coaches six years.

708
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: When you as we get ready for the draft in

709
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks when you were with the Eagles.

710
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: From what I can tell is people are scouting up

711
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,760
Speaker 1: until the draft like they're just you just keep scouting,

712
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: you keep digging, you keep getting reports and ship there

713
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 1: are teams that will two days before the draft, they

714
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 1: just won't like something they hear. I mean, give me,

715
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: give me your insight on a player. A year where

716
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: you felt like it was up to the draft, people

717
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: were still looking for information.

718
00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: Well, I just think anytime there are question marks off

719
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 3: the field, and I think around this time of year

720
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 3: you and I have been talking about forever, the media

721
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 3: can be so disingenuous, like some not everyone's a criminal,

722
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 3: but people have questionable.

723
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: The Texas defensive tackle WI.

724
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 3: Well, think about that and I looked right before we

725
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:19,359
Speaker 3: hopped on. From what I read, he was arrested at

726
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,360
Speaker 3: like I think around lunchtime. Like to me, it's like,

727
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 3: what's this guy drinking in the morning. I mean, it'd

728
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 3: be one thing like was he playing golf with his

729
00:37:26,440 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 3: buddies or was he just at a bar with the people?

730
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 3: What the hell's going on? That's a good example most

731
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: people I know, if they didn't start last week right

732
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:38,040
Speaker 3: up until pro days. That ends and you've accumulated all

733
00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 3: the information and then you go to meetings and now

734
00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 3: a lot of these meetings I think are kind of

735
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,960
Speaker 3: hybrid zoom and guys come in the high end guys

736
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 3: come in the other guys are on zoom, and a

737
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 3: lot of it is not going out you know, over

738
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 3: like how much they can bend, how strong they are

739
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,240
Speaker 3: at this point, it's what is this kid's deal? Especially

740
00:37:56,280 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 3: with the top I would say seventy five pick a

741
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 3: guy that you would invest a first first two day

742
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: picking obviously the top guys, you're a very very fine

743
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: tooth comb, but even a second rounder, I mean that

744
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: could change your franchise. If it's AJ Brown or Deebo

745
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 3: Samuel or Nick Chubb or whoever. I mean, those are,

746
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,399
Speaker 3: but you better know the person. So it's easy when

747
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 3: a guy gets at duy because then it's like, okay,

748
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: we got to really are we sure we trust this guy.

749
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: I think it's a lot harder when it's like, well, hey,

750
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 3: I've talked to some of his teachers or his academic

751
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 3: advisor and they just don't really trust them. Or sometimes

752
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: it's the opposite, like a coach can have a bad

753
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,479
Speaker 3: experience with the player. We're all humans. You just don't

754
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 3: like guys more than other guys. But then the people

755
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 3: that you've trusted, that you've developed relationships in the program,

756
00:38:42,719 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 3: swear by them. So you really try to figure that out.

757
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 3: And this is why you're not drafting widgets. You're drafting humans.

758
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 3: And everyone has a different opinion on every single person.

759
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: How many people do you meet that someone's like, ah,

760
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 3: that guy's a dick, and then you meet him like

761
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,040
Speaker 3: I kind of like the guy, or vice versa. You're like,

762
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 3: you know, I didn't really like the but you know

763
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 3: someone it's like I'm really close friends with him. We

764
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: all have individual interactions with.

765
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 1: People and bias.

766
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 3: So one thing. Yeah, and the thing with football now,

767
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: which makes it hard, and my scouting buddies that I

768
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 3: didn't have to deal with is the transfer portal. So

769
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 3: it's like, you know, you're at Texas one day and

770
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I should ask that coach because he

771
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:20,760
Speaker 3: was with this kid at Washington who now transferred to Florida.

772
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 3: But that's hard too because usually when a guy transferreds like, ah,

773
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,799
Speaker 3: it was kind of a diva, wouldn't listen. But then

774
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 3: he goes to the other program people love him, right,

775
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 3: so that balancing act. I actually think it's probably more

776
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,920
Speaker 3: difficult trying to keep up with that because usually bo

777
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 3: Nix is a good example, like Michael Pennix is transferred

778
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 3: because his coach went there. It wasn't that crazy. Bo

779
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 3: Nicks had a bad experience at Auburn and then he

780
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 3: goes to Oregon and has an incredible experience. So maybe

781
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 3: if you're around some of the people at Auburn, their

782
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 3: experience around him wasn't great. I don't know that. I'm

783
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 3: just saying, using this as an example. You're not gonna

784
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 3: hear a negative thing at Oregon about that, right, So

785
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 3: you try to balance that and you can just go, well,

786
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,759
Speaker 3: he's matured, got to a good place, put him around

787
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 3: the right people. So that's that that can make it

788
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 3: difficult and trying to You gotta be careful with the

789
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 3: head coaches because the head coaches have an agenda. The

790
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: higher their guys get drafted, the more they can put

791
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,839
Speaker 3: them up on the boards. You know, when you enter

792
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 3: the program and the recruits come in, you got to

793
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: get with the assistant coaches, the graduate assistants, the people

794
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 3: off the field, and that just takes years of knowing

795
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: who you can trust and who you can't. Because most

796
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 3: of these guys that are drafted high have the talent

797
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: to play in the NFL. What separates them is all

798
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 3: the off the field stuff, right that the character, the

799
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 3: work ethic football sucks beside the games. Yeah, you lift

800
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 3: really hard, you train really hard, you get screamed at

801
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,839
Speaker 3: NonStop in a meeting. This is you don't show up

802
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: to work at new I mean you're getting there bright

803
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 3: and early. You don't leave latest. You play once a

804
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 3: week and it's only in the fall. Well, you're still

805
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:50,319
Speaker 3: like Harbaugh the charger driving practice right now, they're doing

806
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 3: OTA's like it's it's a lot of work, and it

807
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 3: it separates the men from the boys. Mentally, So that

808
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 3: to me that those conversations are just NonStop in these

809
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 3: meetings about kid, about the kid, what drives, how he's wired,

810
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: And you're just trying to figure out to make the

811
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 3: best educated guest humanly possible, because that's ultimately what you're doing.

812
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 3: You're getting a twenty to twenty two year old who

813
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 3: a lot of guys grow Tyron Matthews kicked off his

814
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 3: college team that unless you kicked him off, He's been

815
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 3: a team captain of four different teams. So it's like,

816
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 3: you know, but you gotta be careful, like that's that

817
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:24,399
Speaker 3: could be an outlier situation. It's like, well this guy

818
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 3: could be the next Josh Allen, or it could be

819
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 3: the next Trey Lance. So it's this is this is

820
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 3: always a fascinating time of year because within six months

821
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 3: mid season, you're like gotta regret this one or God

822
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 3: love this. We got lucky on you. Just you're just

823
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 3: trying to mitigate all the potential potential land mines and

824
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,280
Speaker 3: take the best educated guests with all the information possible.

825
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Don't want to talk about this. I'm taking my wife

826
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,439
Speaker 1: to UFC three hundred, which is probably the most where

827
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 1: is it it's in Vegas. I think there's twelve current

828
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 1: or former champions. Great undercard. It's a stacked I mean

829
00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 1: it's three hundred day stacked it. Dana White stacked it.

830
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:13,200
Speaker 3: Dana's got it rolling.

831
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. No Dana well like Dana doesn't take

832
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: anybody's crap. I mean basically least an Island during COVID.

833
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 3: I love that.

834
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it's interesting. So I was telling somebody

835
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: this the other day. You could not get my wife

836
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 1: to a baseball game. She's not going to a football game.

837
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: NBA and UFC there are events. Loves going to NBA games,

838
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: and I've taken her to UFC and she likes fights.

839
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 1: And you know, you have a girlfriend. I don't know

840
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 1: if she's a sports fan. But I was telling a

841
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 1: buddy about this. I said, you know, my wife's not

842
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: a sports fan. She's an event fan. So if it

843
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: was a Dare Devil of a hysterical magician, a singing act,

844
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: the UFC is it's crazy, like Trump will probably walk

845
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: in the place erupts. It's nuts. There's movie stars and

846
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: she likes the spectacle of it all. Plus, I mean

847
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: the UFC fights are like they're jarring to watch. I mean,

848
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 1: you're getting guys are kicking the you know what out

849
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: of each other? Do you? And I And I've said

850
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: before ufcson my top five World Cup NFL College Football UFC,

851
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: I would say March Madness rekindled my interest this year.

852
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: I've had a blast watching Mark. I kind of had

853
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: two or three years with the men's game I thought

854
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: was too deluded, too many transfers. I've loved men's and

855
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,320
Speaker 1: women's this year. Where is UFC rank for you? And

856
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 1: by the way, if your girlfriend could choose, all right, John,

857
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: we're going to this, what would it be?

858
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:48,239
Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean she's a huge forty nine er fan.

859
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: She loves football. I mean she follows the forty nine ers.

860
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 3: I mean every player very closely. I mean she's she

861
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 3: has a missing snap since I've met her, I mean

862
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 3: in northern California. Her dad was a big forty nine

863
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 3: er fan. She just and that's I think she represents

864
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,440
Speaker 3: a lot of people. We talked about this a lot,

865
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 3: the female fan base that the NFL has huge. It's

866
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 3: not just like someone's wife watching the games, like, no,

867
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: they're a fan of the Bills. Yeah, I have. When

868
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 3: I was I went to cal Pauly where Chuck Lydell went,

869
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 3: and my first couple of years there, Chuck was becoming

870
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 3: a star and he also trained there, so it was

871
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 3: a really really big deal. And Chad Mendez, who ended

872
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 3: up fighting Connor McGregor was my year, was my college roommates.

873
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 3: They lived in the dorms together, and I watched him

874
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 3: beat the shit out of some people at a party.

875
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 3: And I had never been around wrestlers in high school

876
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 3: and then cal Pauly, I wouldn't put him in like

877
00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 3: Iowa Penn State, but they Chad ended up being like

878
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,239
Speaker 3: the runner up for the national championship his senior year

879
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,399
Speaker 3: had some good wrestlers. Chuck wrestled there once upon a time,

880
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: and I just remember, these guys are crazy, that they

881
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 3: were insane, and it was just in following Chad Mendes' career.

882
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 3: He fought Connor, he fought Aldough and he just he

883
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 3: didn't win, but he was just He's the toughest guy

884
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 3: I've ever seen. He weighed one hundred and fifty five pounds.

885
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 3: I mean he would be he could beat up I mean,

886
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 3: he could he could handle Aaron Donald. I'm not saying

887
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 3: he'd win the fight, but he'd have he wouldn't hesitate

888
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 3: these guys. The respect I have for never being around

889
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,720
Speaker 3: these guys and then watching them just in a fistfight

890
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: at a party take down ten people before you could blink,

891
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: and I have listen you get in that octagon. You

892
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 3: are such a badass. I watched the last fight because

893
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 3: I started doing CrossFit a couple of days a week.

894
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 3: I haven't done it in a while, but Sugar Sean

895
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,680
Speaker 3: was working out at that gym and so I was like, Oh,

896
00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 3: this guy pink hair. So I ordered the fight when

897
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 3: he fought last time, and it was just it was excellent.

898
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he was just like, God, this guy's fucking badass. Yeah,

899
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 3: so that's part of it. I just like, I'm not

900
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 3: like a fight die hard, but I have nothing but

901
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: appreciation because I've seen it firsthand. The level of craziness

902
00:45:52,680 --> 00:45:55,320
Speaker 3: that it takes, and how talented these guys, the training

903
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: levels of when these guys are preparing for a fight, right, Oh,

904
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 3: it's just it's insane.

905
00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 1: And you know, it's what's interesting about UFC is you

906
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: know you always knew the top fighters, you know made

907
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: a fortune. The promoters made a lot of money and

908
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 1: and in the end it was like the sport didn't

909
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 1: have a central figure like Dana White.

910
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 3: And you know, whenever they remember, they battled a lot

911
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 3: of the political wins. I was just talking about this

912
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 3: on the golf course. John McCain was pushing back against

913
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:25,920
Speaker 3: I remember, being like junior high and they couldn't do it.

914
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: And they tried to do it in San Jose I remember,

915
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 3: in like the late nineties and got in trouble, but

916
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,279
Speaker 3: McCain was like the driving force, like this is barbaric,

917
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 3: remember that, and they just couldn't get and then they

918
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 3: finally somehow crossed that threshold and it's they've never looked back.

919
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 1: Well, I mean we have. You know, we have a

920
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: rich history of boxing in this country and fighting in

921
00:46:46,200 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: this country. And I think one of the things that

922
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 1: Dana did very quickly to get in the Budweisers and

923
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: the big brands was they had to clean it up

924
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: about twenty years ago. They cleaned that there's eye gouging

925
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: and shit, they got out of that stuff. Dana very

926
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,359
Speaker 1: smartly said, listen, we our guys are tough. We don't

927
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,600
Speaker 1: want their eyes getting gouged that we need them, you know.

928
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: Nine weeks later to be in another fight. I think

929
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: they cleaned it up. And then I just think you

930
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: have to be forceful. I mean, running the volume every

931
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 1: day is a challenge. You got to be forceful. You

932
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: gotta have a plan of attack. And I think if

933
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: you look at what is hurt college football, the quality

934
00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 1: of the product is great. There's no leadership boxing, there's

935
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: no leadership, And so when you look at sports, Roger

936
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:32,080
Speaker 1: good I've been saying this forever, there's something about media

937
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: doesn't like people that don't need them. Roger Goodell, in

938
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: the NFL do not need newspapers, they do not need

939
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: radio guys, they don't even barely need TV networks. Now

940
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: is streaming is the NFL has almost no missteps. It's

941
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,759
Speaker 1: just really well run. They've made their schedule release a day.

942
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: The combined is effective, like they have done the best.

943
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 1: And now they've said to the NBA, now we're gonna

944
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 1: knock you off Christmas. We're gonna take your ratings.

945
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,360
Speaker 3: There can we talk about some little inside baseball in

946
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 3: the NFL that they've they clearly just laid off a

947
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:07,960
Speaker 3: lot of people and they are trimming down what they

948
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,640
Speaker 3: do and the media's take is consistently this business is

949
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 3: making so much money. What are you doing yet? I'm

950
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: someone who literally makes a living off the NFL, who

951
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: couldn't follow it any more closely, and I never watch

952
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 3: NFL network. So just because your business of the games,

953
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 3: and one thing I've noticed at the gym I go to,

954
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:30,759
Speaker 3: you know, they have pen TVs and ones always on

955
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: Fox News, the others on CNN, the others on ESPN,

956
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 3: the others on Fox Sports, the others on NFL network.

957
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: The only thing NFL Network now is playing is just games.

958
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: Like I looked out. I went this afternoon and I

959
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:42,759
Speaker 3: looked up and it was the Colts Rams game from

960
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,840
Speaker 3: earlier this year, overtime game, and they're just replaying it.

961
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,640
Speaker 3: Could they probably getting the same rating. So it's like

962
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 3: just because the WNBA, I don't know if they make

963
00:48:51,160 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 3: money now, never made any money. The NBA just subsidized

964
00:48:54,160 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 3: them forever. Yeah, like the NFL, just because the games

965
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 3: are making money, the other entities they shouldn't. Just if

966
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:01,800
Speaker 3: it's not working, people don't watch NFL network.

967
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,360
Speaker 1: NFL network has been up.

968
00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:06,480
Speaker 3: They don't have talented people or whatever working for the network,

969
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 3: but it's not making any money.

970
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 1: They've been that thing's been up for sale for seven years.

971
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 1: They've been trying to sell that thing. I know somebody

972
00:49:14,560 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: inside NBA TV that's dead because he watches that. Nobody

973
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: watches now. MLB network is different because shows like mine, ESBN, Fox,

974
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:26,719
Speaker 1: we don't talk baseball. So the discussions you have on

975
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 1: the MLB network are unique. Nobody else is at me.

976
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: Golf Channel, Golf Channel work.

977
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. And so NBA and NFL network all those debates,

978
00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: they're on television all day. There's too much duplication. And

979
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: then I mean, listen, I don't watch the NFL network.

980
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: I think I know Peter Schrager very very well coled. Yeah,

981
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't write job.

982
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 3: They're good.

983
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,319
Speaker 1: When you move a show to the West coast, you

984
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: can't do a morning show out west, an effective morning show,

985
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: because you can't. When I came from ESBN to Fox

986
00:49:57,320 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 1: and they asked me what time, I was asked by

987
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: my radio network, work by TV network, what time do

988
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: you want to do? You pick the time slot? And

989
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 1: I said, well you can't. I can't do anything earlier

990
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 1: than nine am Pacific, which is noon Eastern. I said,

991
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 1: because you can't get I can't ask my staff to

992
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: get up at two point fifty and in Los Angeles.

993
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: In New York, a lot of people come down a

994
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 1: building and walk to work. In Los Angeles, everybody drives

995
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: to work. So I have to if you get if

996
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,319
Speaker 1: you need to be there by my show right now,

997
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 1: you have to be there about five fifty five to six.

998
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,200
Speaker 1: I get there about six. Ten staff gets there about

999
00:50:31,200 --> 00:50:32,759
Speaker 1: maybe six to say. We all get in at the

1000
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 1: same time. If I was doing meaning they have to

1001
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 1: get up probably at five ish shower at thirty five

1002
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: minute drive. That's reasonable. You get into four three forty

1003
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: five people have to get up. You can't get a staff.

1004
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: So if I was a betting man, the NFL network

1005
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 3: will not have a morning show in the fall. They

1006
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: will just show replays the games.

1007
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 1: Well, there's no way. If I live out East and

1008
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 1: you move the show and you're asking me to get

1009
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: up at three forty five, it's like I'm out. It's

1010
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: nothing against the people. It's like that's they're just doing

1011
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: that as a cost saving move and it's not a

1012
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: knock on the people. I mean, I know Eisen, I

1013
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: know Schreger really well, but it's like these people get

1014
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 1: caught up in They just tend to forget is that

1015
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 1: once there's duplication and you're not special. All these all

1016
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 1: these sports created these networks, but nobody talks hockey except

1017
00:51:28,360 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: the NHL network. Nobody talks baseball on a syndicated national

1018
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 1: level except like local stations in the MLB. Never Guys

1019
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: like me Steven A. Skipp, doesn't matter who it is, ESPN,

1020
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,840
Speaker 1: Fox all day, we talk NFL and the NBA. You

1021
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: don't need the networks. They're dead something against anybody. So

1022
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: and I listen, even at the volume, we're doing very well.

1023
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 1: You're always you're always looking for ways to put your

1024
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: best people on your best shows to make sure you

1025
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 1: have the most efficiency. It's yeah, I'm not blaming anybody

1026
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: for it. I just know the NFL network's been for

1027
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: sale for like seven years.

1028
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 3: It's quietly been anybody wanted theory. I had what the

1029
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 3: Dolphins should do after what just happened. So the Bills,

1030
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: who I've said the overreaction that they're just gonna suck,

1031
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 3: which maybe they take a huge step back, but they'll

1032
00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,680
Speaker 3: be full by far, have the best quarterback who to

1033
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 3: me is the second best quarterback in the league. And

1034
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 3: clearly one of the great quarterbacks we've seen in recent memory.

1035
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:31,239
Speaker 3: Taw it was. The Dolphins have a big question mark

1036
00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 3: with their quarterback, who's turned out to be solid, but

1037
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 3: in the biggest moments these last couple of years, has

1038
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,439
Speaker 3: crumbled like a cookie. And this year I remember talking

1039
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 3: to Veach and Andy at the combine and they said,

1040
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: and Veach specifically said, when you walked out on that

1041
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 3: playoff game, He's like, that's the coldest thing I've ever encountered.

1042
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 3: I was even nervous just for my own guys, even

1043
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 3: though I knew we had Mahomes versus them, but I

1044
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:55,279
Speaker 3: was like, got it And it wasn't even close and

1045
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 3: they had no shot the Dolphins. So now, before you

1046
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: give a guy a couple hundred million dollars, wouldn't you

1047
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: go no excuses? Now Belichick's with his kid in Seattle.

1048
00:53:06,040 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 3: You got who knows what New England's doing. The Jets,

1049
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 3: I mean are three pulled hamstrings and achilles from being

1050
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 3: everyone getting fired, and the Bills lost a lot of

1051
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 3: talent they just have. If we can't do it this year,

1052
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 3: I mean, we just had it felt like a twenty

1053
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 3: game lead halfway through the season and then somehow we

1054
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 3: didn't win the division and they did. If we can't

1055
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 3: win it this year, we can't pay this guy. And

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Speaker 3: then with that mean it's a home playoff game. We

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Speaker 3: should win a playoff game. Wouldn't you just play this

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Speaker 3: year out? You're already under the cap, like, he's already

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Speaker 3: his money's his money this year. My wife's pay him

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Speaker 3: this year. Let's let's kind of do approve it year

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Speaker 3: a little Flacco style.

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Speaker 1: Dak and Tua, in my opinion, will be available on

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Speaker 1: the market potentially next year. There's no doubt in my mind.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Jerry, I would not pay to a right now,

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Speaker 3: given everything that just happened, I.

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't pay back if you start.

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Speaker 3: I think they're hesitant to do that.

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Speaker 1: Literally, Yeah, so I think I think two.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I think Tua is gonna be on the market next year.

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Speaker 1: By the way, there's gonna be a Kirk Cousins level

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Speaker 1: guy in the market one minimum two probably for the

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Speaker 1: rest of the years. We do this for a living,

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty clear in the NFL now, two quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: get you to a super Bowl, a superstar. There's six,

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Speaker 1: you know. Stafford Allen, whoever malves or a really talented

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Speaker 1: young guy on a rookie contract.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's the only thing that gets in. So good guys

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Speaker 1: getting paid handsomely. Kirk Cousins, Dak Tua. You can't pay Tua,

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Speaker 1: So I think Tua will be on the market and

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Speaker 1: there'll be a team that's like, listen, we're stacked everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: Or competency gets rewarded. Kirk Cousins has made more money

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Speaker 1: than Tom Brady playing quarterback. Competency plus and that's what

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Speaker 1: Dak and Kirk Caarr. Competency plus gets paid in every

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Speaker 1: business for sure.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think Houston's a good example. They go,

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Speaker 3: we got the young quarterback who actually might be a

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00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,799
Speaker 3: top five guy. All chips in the middle of the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: all of our chips are in the middle of the table.

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Speaker 3: And one of my takes last week was like, that's

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00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 3: kind of what all sports fans want. It's just teams

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00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:07,879
Speaker 3: to be really aggressive. I mean, look at the most

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Speaker 3: popular teams over the last twenty years, the Heat, the Warriors, right,

1095
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 3: the Dodgers, Randy Moss teams, the Dodgers, the Chiefs over

1096
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 3: the last five years. Like, that's what we want. So

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Speaker 3: I commend them for doing this and because it's polarizing

1098
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 3: all the press. You either win or if you don't,

1099
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Speaker 3: it's a disaster. Why the Jets last year they went

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00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: all in for Aaron Rodgers and then it was the

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Speaker 3: all time shit show. And part of the story is

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Speaker 3: it gets even crazier when you don't win once you

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00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:33,520
Speaker 3: put all your chips in the middle of the table.

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Speaker 3: So like I listen, I think the Houston Texans they

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Speaker 3: have had one of the great twelve month stretches that

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Speaker 3: they I would say they lucked in a little bit

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Speaker 3: because I do think they would have taken Bryce Young

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Speaker 3: if they would have had the number one pick. But hey,

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Speaker 3: Tua went ahead justin Herbert and the Chargers got him.

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Speaker 3: Who cares how you got the guy. You just got

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Speaker 3: the guy right, And now they have a chance. That

1112
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Speaker 3: division is a little wonky, right. The Jags have a

1113
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 3: lot going on, a lot of pressure on Trevor Lawrence,

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Speaker 3: the Titans that have no quarterback. I was actually peeking

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Speaker 3: at the TV today when the NFL Network was replaying

1116
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Speaker 3: that Anthony Richardson when he was healthy in this rand.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, good. You know he was pretty talented.

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Speaker 3: So they just got to kee him on the field.

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Speaker 3: He's he's pretty intriguing. I was like, I kind of

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Speaker 3: forgot about this guy. Uh, but it's I think they're

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Speaker 3: trying to throw their hat in the ring, right with

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Speaker 3: the Ravens, the chart or I mean with the Chiefs,

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Speaker 3: and just give themselves a chance. Now, there's also, you know,

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Speaker 3: part of being a great player in any sport or

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00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:28,720
Speaker 3: being successful in anything in life. It's not just about

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00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,600
Speaker 3: one hit or just one solid year of sales, like

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00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 3: can you do it year in year out? There is

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Speaker 3: just a lot of pressure on everyone's gunning for you. Now,

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Speaker 3: you're not sneaking up on anybody. Everyone's studying your tape

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00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 3: a little harder. It's no longer oh yeah, just playing out.

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Speaker 3: They're doing deep dives on you in the off season,

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Speaker 3: how to stop you. So I'm fascinated to watch this

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Speaker 3: Texans team how they kind of handle it because talent

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Speaker 3: is not going to be their issue.

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Speaker 1: John Middlecoff is always on a Sunday night, buddy, great SENI.

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Speaker 3: You see you, Colin.

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