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Speaker 1: Ron Anian, it's very important when you're diagnosing something to

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Speaker 1: have that conversation at the counter. And if your mechanic

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Speaker 1: not doing that, you're missing half the diagnosis. Right there,

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Speaker 1: the car Doctor, I wanted to get your opinion on

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Speaker 1: how often do you think I should change the oil

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Speaker 1: on a hybrid?

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Speaker 2: Since I've never owned a hybrid before.

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Speaker 1: The hybrid doesn't change the oil interval that option that much.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Ananian, the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 3: the phone and call in. The garage doors are opening.

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Speaker 2: But I am here to take your calls at eighty

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Speaker 2: five five five six oh ninety nine hundred.

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Speaker 3: And now he running.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about this today because one of my

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Speaker 1: kids told me to talk about it, and you know,

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Speaker 1: you always do what your kids kind of tell you

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Speaker 1: to do. You don't want to have that have that

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Speaker 1: bad experience where there's a problem, I you know, have

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Speaker 1: a she has a Lexus twenty one Lexus, and I

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Speaker 1: got a phone call talking about how she had no

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Speaker 1: you know, the head's up display, the dashboard display, her

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Speaker 1: twenty one Lexus, fifty thousand miles. She you know, was

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Speaker 1: g dad, you know, it's it's broken. I got to

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Speaker 1: take it into Lexus said, well wait a minute, now,

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Speaker 1: you know, let's let's kind of go through some basics here,

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Speaker 1: because you know, she does have extended warranty and platinum coverage.

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Speaker 1: And I said, you know, maybe it's something simple.

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Speaker 2: Let's look at it. So she dropped it off at

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Speaker 1: And I tell you this story because as she put

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Speaker 1: So that's why you're kind of getting this.

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Speaker 2: So I've got a car.

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Speaker 1: I've got a you know, four year old vehicle where

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Speaker 1: a couple of different USB ports in vehicles today. There's

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Speaker 1: for data and two USBs for charging. She has four

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Speaker 2: She has an Apple.

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Speaker 1: I got in the car and I plugged in my

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Speaker 1: I went out to the plow truck. My twenty two

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Speaker 1: it's rare to me when I see a USB port

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Speaker 1: And the point is cables are different. Not all cables

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Speaker 1: week prior to this happening, Apple came out with a

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Speaker 1: But doing this right will save you a diagnostic fee.

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Speaker 1: good quality cable, all right. Make sure you're of what

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Speaker 5: I find frustrating with Android Auto. And I think it

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Speaker 5: and I finished the call and then shut the car off.

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Speaker 5: When I get back in the car, the phone will

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Speaker 2: I bet you that's a software glitch. That's it's It's weird.

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Speaker 2: It's just really weird.

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Speaker 1: And now if you're hardwired, tom, if you're connected by cable,

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Speaker 2: Try the try the cable. Now.

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Speaker 1: She pointed out to me that the next generation Lexus

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Speaker 1: wireless navigation in the whole nine yards. And you know,

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Speaker 1: and then that's a whole other conversation. All all, you know,

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Speaker 1: as the standard is, go back to hardwire, Tom, hardwire

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Speaker 1: the hard wire the phone, and I bet that solves it.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, it's in the software. If it

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Speaker 4: Well, so I did pull the codes that cleared the

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Speaker 1: I've got a nineteen ninety eight Mercedes Benz compressor convertible

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Speaker 1: Metric first of all Brian ninety eight. Technology is real,

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Speaker 1: All right, you've got three other cylinders to pick from

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00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 1: because one, three, and four are working. So let's find

439
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Speaker 1: the signal side. First of all, verify power right. One

440
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:41,960
Speaker 1: side is going to be you know, twelve vaults. The

441
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: other side is going to be signal from the PCM.

442
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: You'll see what kind of power you've got, or you

443
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: see you got kind of salary got. Then you'll see

444
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: what kind of signal you got, and you should see

445
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,920
Speaker 1: that on the other three including two. If you don't

446
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:56,240
Speaker 1: see a driver's signal, then I'm going to tell you

447
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Speaker 1: to verify back to the PCM. At the PCM to

448
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: check for a signal. I always do my wiring checks

449
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 1: in a situation like this at two places, at the

450
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Speaker 1: engine and at the computer right where the harness comes in,

451
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: because how do I know the wire's not broken in between?

452
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 1: If I've got signal at the computer end, but not

453
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,200
Speaker 1: the injector in I've got a broken wire. If I've

454
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 1: got no signal at either end, then yeah, it's possible

455
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:25,080
Speaker 1: I've got a bad computer. The next thing I'm going

456
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: to tell you to do is clear the fault. Does

457
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: it come back right away? And if not, while it's

458
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: not back, do you have signal?

459
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Speaker 2: Then?

460
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Speaker 1: In other words, has the computer shut down because it

461
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: sensed a different problem in the vehicle and it's shutting

462
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: down Cylinder two to protect the injector or the driver?

463
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: Is there a problem with the injector that it's seeing

464
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 1: and I don't know what injector you have where it

465
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: could be a bad computer. Yes, I'm just trying to

466
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Speaker 1: give you the steps on how I would approach it

467
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: to break it down and make it simple.

468
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:02,920
Speaker 2: All right.

469
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't know of anybody that can actually rebuild that computer.

470
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:10,720
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're not out there, but.

471
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Speaker 1: I would also try and find, yes, a used one

472
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: out of a yard, and you know, try and get

473
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: it flashed to that vehicle. Your problem is you're dealing

474
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: with older technology and you're most likely going to need

475
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:29,159
Speaker 1: an old school Mercedes shop that does this, because I

476
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: don't think the newer shops are going to have the technology.

477
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: It's old stuff, and I don't think they're going to

478
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: have kept it around. I was thinking about this the

479
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 1: other day. I was looking at my display boards in

480
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 1: the shop and I've got scan tools up there that

481
00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: are from nineteen eighty five. You know, you start thinking

482
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 1: about it, I'm like, why am I? What am I

483
00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 1: doing with this stuff? Why am I keeping this? You know,

484
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: this isn't much newer. It's nineteen ninety eight. All these

485
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 1: cars are gone. But it's a regional thing that depends

486
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:56,200
Speaker 1: on what part of the country you're in. But that's

487
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: how I would approach it, Brian, all right, I'm not

488
00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 1: one hundred percent convinced computer until I see no signal

489
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 1: based on using a scope. Simple enough, Just look at

490
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: a voltage trace and see what it does, and then

491
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 1: work our way out from there. And like I said,

492
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna have three known good signals on cylinders one, three,

493
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: and four and that's attached right to the car. Keep

494
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:22,239
Speaker 1: it simple, don't make it too complicated, all right. You know,

495
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 1: I got another email this week. Wait, I got it

496
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,200
Speaker 1: here in a pile. Let me find it real quick,

497
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: because I wanted to read this one This came to

498
00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: me from my buddy Billy out in Colorado. Billy's working

499
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: on a twenty eleven Jetta with a two point five leader.

500
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 1: He's got a hard break pedal when he's pumping the brakes,

501
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 1: and you know, he'll pump the brake and it'll it'll

502
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 1: the pedal gets rock hard. So he went through a

503
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,480
Speaker 1: bunch of you know, I could try this, I could

504
00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: try that, And he was looking for vacuum signal. Is

505
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 1: it a bad booster or is it a bad vacuum pump?

506
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:54,919
Speaker 1: And I said to him simply. I emailed him back

507
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,919
Speaker 1: and I said, Billy, how about we just take a

508
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:01,120
Speaker 1: vacuum line from a different vehicle, park close, just run

509
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: vacuum off of an engine to that break booster, step

510
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 1: on the pedal.

511
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: How does it work?

512
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,840
Speaker 1: He emailed me back. He said, that worked really well,

513
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: thank you. And I'll tell you guys that I tell

514
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: you that out of humility. But he was able to

515
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 1: prove that the booster was good by using vacuum from

516
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: another source, keep it simple, and that the vehicle had

517
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,880
Speaker 1: a bad vacuum pump that even though tested good up

518
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 1: to a point, it didn't test good all the way

519
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 1: when it was placed under duress. So you know, I

520
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,120
Speaker 1: always try to test as if the component is out

521
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 1: of the vehicle on the bench in a separate situation.

522
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: So keep that in mind. Going back to Brian, keep

523
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 1: that in mind, and that should get you through this.

524
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Speaker 1: Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero

525
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: again eight five five five six.

526
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Speaker 2: Zero nine nine zero zero. I'm running ady in the

527
00:26:45,520 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 2: car Doctor. I'll be back right after this, and off

528
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: we go again.

529
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 1: Eight five five six zero nine nine zero zero is

530
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 1: the phone number. Let's uh, let's let's go to Carl

531
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,199
Speaker 1: and Louisiana. Carl, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. How

532
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 1: can I help what's on your mind?

533
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,520
Speaker 6: Thank you very much. I've been listening to your program

534
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 6: for quite a while and you've helped me in the past.

535
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,440
Speaker 6: And I found a trick that I thought was beneficial

536
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 6: that i'd like to share with you and your listeners.

537
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 6: Absolutely specifically, it came out I was working on an

538
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 6: O seven toilet avalon and I brought it to my

539
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:38,199
Speaker 6: theoretical trusted mechanic and it became excessively expensive, so I

540
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 6: tried it back to the house. They were telling me,

541
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 6: I need to replace my e CU or ECM. You know,

542
00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 6: it depends on the whoever wants to use their definition

543
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 6: of that. And what I found was a paper clip

544
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 6: and I was able to factor E set the ECM

545
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 6: or ECU back to factory stand and that corrected the

546
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 6: vehicle entirely. And I want to say it was pins

547
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 6: like thirteen and seven or nine to five. I don't

548
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,399
Speaker 6: remember the exact pin place. I have a picture if

549
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 6: you want me to send it to you.

550
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying that you did a reset procedure through

551
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: the OBD two port, yes.

552
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,440
Speaker 6: Yes, it went back to factory default. And after that,

553
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 6: you know, the five thousand dollars part that they wanted

554
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 6: me to replace now magically worked and it's been working

555
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 6: for I don't know the last five months.

556
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 2: What was actually what was actually wrong with the vehicle, Carl.

557
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000
Speaker 6: What I found out is there was a crank position

558
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 6: sensor that went out, and I replaced the crank position sensor,

559
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 6: and after I tried to get it going, it still

560
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 6: wasn't going because of you know, the history that the

561
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 6: EBD or UCU had in it. And then after I

562
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 6: reset that and replaced those things, it was all good.

563
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 6: I mean, the mechanic that I had was like, oh,

564
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 6: you need a new computer. Well, I bought a forty

565
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 6: dollars crank position sensor and I used a paper clip

566
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,320
Speaker 6: and fix my problem and it's been running since then.

567
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 2: Don't dumb.

568
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: Don't judge the whole industry by one guy. He made,

569
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: you know, for one misdiagnosis. I will say this, Oh no,

570
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: I will yeah, Well, and I will say this, I

571
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 1: don't know that what you did actually reset the PCM.

572
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,480
Speaker 1: You might have just you just might have. I'd have

573
00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: to look and see, yes, send me, send me what

574
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: you've got ron at cardoctorshow dot com. I want to

575
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 1: see what what what actually worked here?

576
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 6: But well, most definitely, I mean, the Internet has become

577
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 6: a very I guess I thought I was a mechanic,

578
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 6: but now I'm like a Google mechanic or a YouTube mechanic.

579
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, care and be careful of that thing. I will say.

580
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 6: This also, you have to be careful.

581
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say this too, Carl, is that that

582
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,440
Speaker 1: paper clip. Always be careful of literally putting the square

583
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 1: the round in the square hole because you distort those

584
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: you distort those pins enough, you'll find all of a sudden,

585
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 1: you know, somewhere down the line, you've got a a

586
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: g I can't get data or I can't make a

587
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: connection with my scan tool problem.

588
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you I've seen that.

589
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 6: You're like me, I'm a guy.

590
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 4: For now.

591
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 6: I fix it with a paper clip.

592
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,000
Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, no, I get it. I get it.

593
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to see the how and the why. I

594
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: will also tell you that a lot of the Toyota

595
00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 1: PCMs oh somewhere around two thousand and three up till

596
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: about twelve or fourteen, a lot of them were flashed.

597
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,560
Speaker 1: So when you bought them from Toyota, out of the box,

598
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 1: they were they were pre fleshed. It was just plug

599
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: and play, as we like to say. I also want

600
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 1: to say, I'm not sure what your mechanic was trying

601
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: to sell, because I don't know what you're This was

602
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 1: an O seven Highlander.

603
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 6: You said, no, it was an seven Avalon.

604
00:30:58,480 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 2: Oh seven Avalon.

605
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

606
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: I don't know of any five thousand dollars computers for those,

607
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 1: So just just.

608
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 6: Be aware that, yeah sold, But I fixed it with

609
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 6: a paper clip.

610
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 4: You know.

611
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 6: I just thought i'd share it with the people to listen.

612
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 6: Get because not everybody is as smart as you, but

613
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 6: we're all working under the same tree.

614
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,320
Speaker 2: Listen, some days.

615
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,480
Speaker 1: I'm not as smart as me either, but you know,

616
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out like you guys.

617
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: So send me what you got, kiddo. I'd love to

618
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: see it, and we'll talk about it up here on

619
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Speaker 2: there in the coming week.

620
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: You're very welcome, You be well, and I appreciate the

621
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,280
Speaker 1: call and the tip, and we'll go from there. Yeah,

622
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 1: I I'm cautious. I want to see the end result.

623
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: I want to see what happened here. There's a lot

624
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: of you know, but but listen, it's I respect everybody's opinion,

625
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: and here's what happened. And you know, there's a lot

626
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: of things I can't explain in order repair either that

627
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: seem to work. So it's uh, it's interesting. Just like

628
00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: I say, practice safe order repair. No round pegs and

629
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: square holes. You create problems. Eight five five five six

630
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: zero nine nine zero zero. The car Doctor's coming back

631
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:57,040
Speaker 1: right after this.

632
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 7: Don't go away.

633
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,560
Speaker 1: Let's answer a piece of email and are closing couple

634
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: of minutes here. Hey, Ron my son is earning his

635
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: private pilot's license. He's training in pipers and cessants. This

636
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 1: comes to us from Craig, He's training in pipers and

637
00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 1: cessens that were built in the sixties and the seventies.

638
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 1: How do these aircraft keep going when we label a

639
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,680
Speaker 1: fifteen year old super ready to retire? Why do we

640
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: have such a hard time keeping our cars going that long?

641
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: Thanks Craig, I appreciate your thoughts. Well, I think a

642
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: lot of it has to do with, you know, the maintenance,

643
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 1: the maintenance that we don't want to do. I also

644
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 1: think that a lot of people can't see the forest

645
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: for the trees. Speaking very candidly, you know, I was

646
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: thinking about it today. I'm stole driving my four suburban

647
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 1: ninety five thousand miles on it. Just took it to

648
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: the car wash today and it came out and somebody's

649
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: standing there saying, well, look at that look out, because

650
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,239
Speaker 1: I mean, when I tell you the suburban looks new,

651
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: the suburban looks brand new, right. It looks like the

652
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: day it rolled off the showroom floor. But you know,

653
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: I've taken very, very very good care of it. And

654
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: somebody standing in the car wash line who doesn't really

655
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 1: know models and shapes couldn't believe that this is a

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Speaker 1: two thousand and four suburban. You know it's a round body,

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Speaker 1: as we used to call it. And you know how

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Speaker 1: did I get it there? I just changed the oil

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Speaker 1: a lot. I wasn't afraid to throw parts at it

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Speaker 1: when it needed something to be repaired. I wasn't so

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00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: quick to junk it. You know, five six years ago.

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00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 1: You guys know the story, five six, maybe seven years ago.

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Speaker 1: Now it needed a trans it, needed a transit fifty

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Speaker 1: five thousand miles. And you know when the trans was apart,

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Speaker 1: water pump, radiator, coolant lines. I mean just everything that

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Speaker 1: needed to be done got done, even if it was

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Speaker 1: close to needing to be done, it got done. I

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Speaker 1: think part of the problem, Craig is we look to

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Speaker 1: see how cheap can we fix a car, not how correct?

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Speaker 1: And that's bottom line. You know, I don't have to

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Speaker 1: remind everybody about you know, the necessity of aircraft maintenance,

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Speaker 1: how important it is. You know, airplanes have a strict

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Speaker 1: maintenance guideline to follow, not like cars, because we've all

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Speaker 1: seen the result. Right, aircraft, it's a very unforgiving ending,

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Speaker 1: you know, So just to touch on that delicately if

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Speaker 1: I can so, I think it can be done.

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Speaker 2: I think you can keep a.

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Speaker 1: Car going as long as you want. You know, why

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Speaker 1: can we keep some classics from the sixties going fifty

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Speaker 1: years later. The other issue is because of parts. We

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Speaker 1: can buy parts for these cars. A fifteen year old Subaru,

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Speaker 1: if it needs a computer, if it needs something electronic,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where that part's going to come from

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Speaker 1: because the manufacturers aren't going to support it, nor are

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Speaker 1: they required to.

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Speaker 2: And it's going to be gone.

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Speaker 1: But cars that are fifty, sixty, seventy, eighty years old

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Speaker 1: and so on, the electronics aren't there, the mechanicals are,

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Speaker 1: and it's much easier to maintain and take care of

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Speaker 1: that car longevity wise. So it still does come back

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Speaker 1: to maintenance. Want to drive it longer, maintain it. I'm

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Speaker 1: running ady in the car doctor until the next time.

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Speaker 1: Good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless.

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Speaker 2: See you