1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio Happy Friday. I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm 3 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: Holly Frye. Had our latest six Impossible episodes. Yeah, I 4 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 1: remembered doing one six impossible episodes of listener requests previously, 5 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,479 Speaker 1: and I started my document for writing this outline in 6 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: and then I tried to save it as six Impossible 7 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: Episodes listener requests too, and my computer said there's already 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,960 Speaker 1: a file by that name. And I said, excuse maam, ma'am, 9 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: when did that happen? So I had to go refresh 10 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: by memory. I like doing six impossible episodes for a 11 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: number of reasons. I especially like when it gives me 12 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: the chance to just get a whole pile of listener requests. 13 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:59,360 Speaker 1: We've said before we have way more listener requests then 14 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: we can possibly ever do. That does not mean stop 15 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: sending them. We also love getting them. And we get 16 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: listener requests that are things that I just never would 17 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: have thought of. Uh. Sometimes I'll get a listener request 18 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 1: that makes that is somebody that I know about and 19 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: for whatever reason, have just never thought of doing an 20 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: episode about, And I'm like, that's amazing. That's a great idea. 21 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: And then some of the favorite episodes we have ever 22 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: done before have been listener requests of people or organizations 23 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 1: or events or whatever that for whatever reason, I just 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,479 Speaker 1: did not know about before getting the note. So, uh, 25 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: we welcome the listener requests and acknowledge that the list 26 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: is longer than humanity has room for in our lives. Yeah. 27 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 1: I even had while we were in Iceland a couple 28 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: of people come up to me and be like, I'm 29 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: so sorry. I know you get so many, but I 30 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: have something and I'm like, go ahead, like, please bring 31 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: us more ideas. We may or may not be able 32 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: to act on them, but they're great. I have feelings 33 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: yeah about Googain's husband, and they are uncharitable. Okay, I'm like, 34 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: you petty, jealous, weasel, That's pretty much what they are. Yeah, 35 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: And I so the information that I was able to 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: find about her biography was really thin. Like there are 37 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: all of these books of patterns, plenty of them. You can, 38 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 1: you know, see the kinds of things that she was 39 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 1: knitting or crocheting or doing with other needles or whatever. 40 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 1: You can look at all of that. There's just not 41 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: a lot of detail about her life. 42 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:33,399 Speaker 2: Uh. 43 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 1: And the source that I read that talked about this 44 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: made it sound like sort of a deal that they 45 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 1: struck that was like I get to keep all of 46 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,800 Speaker 1: my books and copyright and you get to cut me 47 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: out of the will. And I was like, that seems 48 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:53,919 Speaker 1: a little odd to me. I don't know if that's accurate. 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: I think these two elements of it are correct, but 50 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 1: I don't really know for sure that they were linked 51 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: together in that way, right, that it was a cause 52 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:03,080 Speaker 1: and effect. 53 00:03:03,680 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, that's not sure on that. 54 00:03:07,520 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. Nellie Cashman was clearly an astounding person. I know, 55 00:03:12,680 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: she sounds very fun. She sounds very fun and cool 56 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:20,520 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways. And I super admire the 57 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:22,960 Speaker 1: fact that she you know, when there was a new 58 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: discovery of gold or silver, she would show up and 59 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 1: she would start a restaurant in a boarding house and 60 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: like was able to make her way and you know, 61 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: a time when a lot of women didn't have opportunities 62 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: like that, and so she was an outlier in a 63 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: lot of ways. I do wonder how much of some 64 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: of the most dramatic events in her life are maybe 65 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: a little embellished. 66 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, Like. 67 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: I have questions about how if these men at the 68 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: mine were already starving and developing scurvy, and it also 69 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: took her weeks to get to them and they all survived, 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:07,080 Speaker 1: that seems like a lot of how all of those things, 71 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: there's a lot of malady math to be working out, 72 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: like how could all of that have simultaneously been true? 73 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:15,160 Speaker 1: And it's one of those things where all of the 74 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: things she definitely for sure did are all notable enough 75 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: on their own that if those things are embellishments, like 76 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: we didn't need the embellishments for her to be incredibly cool, right, 77 00:04:27,480 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 1: So Yeah, And I also like her getting people to 78 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: tear down the grandstand that people were going to watch 79 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: the hanging from, because while we've talked many times about 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: public executions and times and places in which going to 81 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:46,800 Speaker 1: see a public execution was regarded as a like an 82 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: acceptable thing to do and people had kind of a 83 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: raucous party over it, the fact that she was like, nuh, 84 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: that's appalling, and I'm ritten down a grandstand and you 85 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: were not selling tickets to this. Yeah. 86 00:04:58,600 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: I like the gumption. 87 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: I do too. I always find those stories, I mean, 88 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: we've talked about them a million times. The one that 89 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: sticks out to me is that Christopher Lee saw the 90 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: last public guillotining in France, which is so recent in history, 91 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, how weird and ghoulish is that. 92 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 2: Yeah. 93 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm just hyper sensitive to such things, right, 94 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: but I don't feel like I am. I feel like 95 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: I'm a human with empathy and sympathy. Yeah, so it 96 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: just feels yucky. Yeah, Yeah, I do definitely recommend looking 97 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 1: at that huge archive of Teeny Harris's photographs. Yes, we 98 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: could spend hours and hours looking at that. It'd also 99 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: spend hours and hours looking at Jangka Gains knitting and 100 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: Kurheg books and like neither of those things just translates 101 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: into an audio podcast, right. 102 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: Yeah. 103 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Also, I feel like we should say if you go 104 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 1: looking at Teedy Harris's pictures, I know, we said he 105 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 1: was like super dapper, friends, you need to brace yourself 106 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: for how very handsome and charming this man was. Like 107 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: I had read about him in passing in like some 108 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: photography book, and then I had looked at this and 109 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 1: was like, oh, I should go do the thing, and 110 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:30,680 Speaker 1: I just was like, dear lord, Yeah, movie star handsome yeah, 111 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: so cute brace. 112 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 2: I'm just telling you, no brace right right. 113 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we tend to do I tend to do 114 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: six impossible episodes every six months, a couple times a 115 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 1: year or so. So they'll roll around again. Don't know 116 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 1: what the theme will be, too sense to just be 117 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:57,839 Speaker 1: whatever strikes my fancy. At a particular time, we talked 118 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:04,360 Speaker 1: about Jon Mattzliger this week. Bless you Jon Mattzaliger because 119 00:07:04,880 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: I love shoes. Yeah, a little shoe problem, and most 120 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: of the machinery running today is still built on the 121 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 1: concepts that he developed. Yeah, I really feel like the 122 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: key is that, unlike probably many of the other people 123 00:07:20,200 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 1: trying to build a machine to do this was the 124 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: time that he spent watching handcrafters do it right, Like 125 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: that was the thing he was so finicky about trying 126 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: to capture. 127 00:07:32,560 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. Love. 128 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: The discussion about the Laster's Union really reminded me of 129 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: the Ludites, which we have an episode on that's already 130 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 1: been as a Saturday Classic. But the Ludites were not 131 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: anti technology. They were against technologies that were putting people 132 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: out of work and also in that case, making an 133 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: inferior product, yeah, which was not the case they actually 134 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,480 Speaker 1: the Luddites are actually invoked in that nineteen fifty five 135 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: article that we quoted because that historian specifically is like, 136 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,280 Speaker 1: this one was very different from the way the Luddite 137 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: uprising happened. Nobody was trying to destroy machinery. So that 138 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: author does kind of a brief, a very brief comparison 139 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: of the two. Yeah, I think had the stocking frames 140 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: and things that the Luddites were objecting to, number one 141 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: not been cranking out inferior product and number two not 142 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: been putting people out of work, it probably also would 143 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,680 Speaker 1: have been a situation where people were like, great, now 144 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: I can make Now I can make my living without 145 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: breaking my body. Yeah, without breaking my body. Yeah, but 146 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: that was not the case, and. 147 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: It would not have been the case with the shoe. 148 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: Lasting machine had the factory owners just replaced all of 149 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: the lasters with children or people who had no training. So, 150 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: like the laster's advocacy for themselves, I think is a 151 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: big thing that made that a different situation. 152 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 153 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: One of the theories that I read, and I don't 154 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 1: have a lot to expound on it, but it would 155 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: make a little bit of sense, is that there are 156 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: some people that believe that Matt Sealiger got so sick 157 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 1: because he was so driven, he was physically exhausted all 158 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: the time, like that his immune system was just not 159 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: able to function. I don't know, but I wanted to 160 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:33,560 Speaker 1: mention it in case anyone was curious. The other thing though, 161 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: that I wanted to mention because when we were reading, 162 00:09:36,400 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: particularly at the end, Tracy, you had that moment of 163 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: like two hundred and thirty factories in this one place. Yes, 164 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: at the time, Lynn and all the Massachusetts, but specifically 165 00:09:51,880 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: Lynn was making most of the shoes that went all 166 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: over the US and some parts of Europe so well. 167 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: And my disbelief at the number factories was coming in 168 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: part from living close to Lynn and sort of knowing 169 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 1: what the lay of the land in this region is like, 170 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: and that just still felt like so many. 171 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: She has. 172 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: Just sort of, you know, having a sense of where 173 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:22,280 Speaker 1: all these towns are and cities are and how connected 174 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:23,080 Speaker 1: they are to each other. 175 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, I. 176 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: Probably wouldn't have had that question if I didn't know 177 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 1: exactly where Lynn was. Right, Man, it's the shoe capital. 178 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: So I bet if you walked around Lynn, oh, I 179 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: had that thought, Yeah, you would start noticing some Yon 180 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: Matzelaiger stuff. 181 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 2: For sure. 182 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,040 Speaker 1: I really really do love though, that he is still 183 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: inspiring shoemakers today. To me, that's just like the coolest 184 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: legacy ever right to be like, Hey, I have made 185 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 1: sneakers for the biggest shoe brands in the world, but 186 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: what I really want to do is honor this guy 187 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: who was a black convenor that gets very little play 188 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: on the world stage. Yeah, And I just love. 189 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 2: It so much, love it. 190 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: I like that after becoming disabled and ill, he still 191 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: had his community. Yes, Because like if we lived in 192 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: a perfectly accessible world, where all the buildings and all 193 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: the transportation and all the everything was accessible to everyone, 194 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 1: there would still be people who couldn't really get out 195 00:11:38,600 --> 00:11:43,320 Speaker 1: of their homes because of their illnesses or disability or 196 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,199 Speaker 1: just the amount of effort that it takes to get 197 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: ready and leave the house. Yeah, and that can be 198 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 1: incredibly isolating. Frequently, even people who do have church communities 199 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:00,720 Speaker 1: or other seemingly tight knit communities, will all of those 200 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: folks drift off after a while and then just be 201 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: in a situation where they're really isolated and don't have 202 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: a lot of contact with other people. So the fact 203 00:12:09,160 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: that he continued to have that social network and social 204 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: support is something that I appreciate about his story and 205 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:20,480 Speaker 1: the community that he had around him. Well, And what's interesting, 206 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: I did not get to go super far down this 207 00:12:22,679 --> 00:12:27,040 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, but it seems like the reverberations of that 208 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: community continued well into the twentieth century, because like that 209 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 1: stamp that was made I only read like one little 210 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 1: blurb about its origination was instigated by a woman whose 211 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: parents had been part of his social circle, and she 212 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,720 Speaker 1: was like, Hey, you know, this was someone everyone loved, 213 00:12:51,760 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: and long after he was dead, everybody talked about how 214 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:58,000 Speaker 1: much they loved him in addition to how important his 215 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: work was. Yeah, maybe we should make an honor to him. So, like, 216 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 1: I feel like that's like an incredible legacy of community 217 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: right there. Yeah, she grew up hearing about this guy 218 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: for decades. 219 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 2: Right, I love it, Right, I love it. 220 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: I'm still baffled by two hundred and thirty shoe factories. 221 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: We've talked about it three timess Like, and even knowing 222 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 1: the importance of shoes, that's still so many factories doesn't 223 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: help to consider the fact that factories in the early 224 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds were much smaller than factories today. 225 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. 226 00:13:30,760 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, like you could think of them as you know, 227 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: some I'm sure we're huge in cavernous, but many were 228 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 1: probably like the size of a nice house. Okay, right, 229 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: Like yeah, they're not necessarily all big giant echo chambers 230 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 1: of like multi levels, like hundreds of people shy in 231 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: their factories that we think of today. Yeah, I mean 232 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: I think the population of Lynn at this time was 233 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: something like thirty five or forty thousand people. 234 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like it is anyway, shoes, so many. 235 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: She everybody worked in shoes essentially, It's like their entire identity. Anyway, shoes. 236 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I love them. Bu bum thanks Jan Matzelaiger because I 237 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 1: like my shoes and I have a lot. As we know, Yes, 238 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Holly is recording in a shoe closet my overflowish. 239 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 240 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: I can see behind Holly as we are recording one 241 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 1: of those like over the door shoe organizers, and then 242 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: there is a shoe shelf that I can also see 243 00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: off to Holly's right. Yeah, and then the whole room 244 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: behind me, our entire guest room is Florida ceiling shelves 245 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: with shoes. When people come to stay, I always joke 246 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: that I'm going to make them sign an NDA that 247 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: they will not disclose the number of shoes they have. 248 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 2: With the house. 249 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: Look, it's a lot, and I love them. And because 250 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: I have a lot, they never wear out because I'm rotating. Sure, 251 00:14:58,200 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: I'm trying to be to slow my role on acquisitions 252 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:08,360 Speaker 1: because I'm not a shoepace. But then somebody will make 253 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: some adorable, cool, kitchy, ridiculous shoe and I'm like, I 254 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:15,800 Speaker 1: have to have that, right, I can kiss it. I 255 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: can even if I don't wear it. I need it. 256 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, shoes, I love them. 257 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: I love them. I don't have to send anybody to college. 258 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: We don't have kids, right in my shoes. I do 259 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: remember there was an episode that you had referenced once 260 00:15:32,760 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: of Judge John Hodskin about a couple that was arguing 261 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 1: over shoes, and you blurted out the number of shoes 262 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,960 Speaker 1: the woman had, like as though it was an astronomical number, 263 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 1: and I was just real quiet for a second. 264 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. 265 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: I also don't know if I I remember that conversation. 266 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: And I also think I was like recreating this episode 267 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: from memory, and I don't know if the number I 268 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: said was the right number. But the number I said 269 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: was definitely a number of shoes that I would feel 270 00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: like is a lot. 271 00:15:59,720 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 2: If she. 272 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:05,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean not listen. If you only want four 273 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: to ten to twenty pairs of shoes in your life, 274 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: that seems very lean to me. But that's what a 275 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: lot of people run with. And keep in mind, like 276 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: I have collected shoes for decades, so like it's not 277 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: like I go out every day and buy twenty more 278 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: pairs of shoes. Yeah, some of these shoes are old. 279 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: Some are shoes that were given to me that were 280 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: antiques that are still wearable. In some cases, they're all 281 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: over the map. Anyway, I love shoes. That's thank you, 282 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: yan Earn Smatsalager because I love shoes and you make 283 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: me smile all the time with your invention. 284 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 2: The end. 285 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: If this is your weekend coming up, I hope that 286 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: you get to wear as many shoes as you wish, 287 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: maybe change them every twenty minutes if you want. 288 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna judge. 289 00:16:55,640 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: If shoes aren't your thing, I hope whatever makes you 290 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: happy is something you can engage with this weekend. If 291 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: this isn't time off, I still hope you find things 292 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 1: that make you happy. 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