WEBVTT - Ghosts, Magic and the Paranormal 0:00:03.720 --> 0:00:06.840 I grew up with no, ghosts don't exists, that's all 0:00:06.880 --> 0:00:09.960 in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, 0:00:10.039 --> 0:00:12.480 I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm 0:00:12.520 --> 0:00:16.040 hearing something. Magic is something very simple, is that your 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:19.000 will becomes reality if your will is to do harm. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.040 That's why you would call black magic, but technically it's 0:00:22.079 --> 0:00:25.720 just magic. What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced? 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:40.280 Something you know, paranormal? Yeah, hello, and welcome to Chickens 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:43.080 and Chill. It's your girl, cheek Ease and damn. Do 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.400 we have an episode for you today. It's about all 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:50.440 things paranormal. I'm talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between. 0:00:50.640 --> 0:00:53.200 So why wait, let's get into it. This is chick 0:00:53.240 --> 0:01:07.240 Ease and Chill. My guest today's Hose Antonio. He's a 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:10.640 comedian influencer and the host of two very popular podcasts, 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:15.000 Leadarias and Secret That, which is part of my Family. 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:17.679 I can go on and on about how great these 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.320 two podcasts are, but let's introduce our guests. Jos Antonio. 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:24.680 Welcome to Chickens and Chill. How are you going with stars? 0:01:24.920 --> 0:01:27.760 I'm great, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you 0:01:27.800 --> 0:01:30.160 for having me. Of course, I'm so excited to talk 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:38.360 to you. Have so many questions. Okay, f y I okay, perfect, awesome. 0:01:38.560 --> 0:01:42.160 So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. Of course, Well, 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:44.560 let you know, Lecandadia's was a little side project we 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:49.360 started about to crime, the paranormal, and uh well just 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:54.000 strange history, but with comedy, you know, because we're all comedians. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.920 On my part, I wanted to do all of these 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:59.400 things but with good research because in Mexico, you know, 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:02.760 like everything about like your own now or scary stuff. 0:02:02.880 --> 0:02:04.840 They're always trying to scare you, like oh it's Toby 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:09.639 and and I wanted to do this like seriously as 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:12.680 in the real where the research comes in, but have 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:15.320 fun with it and joke about it. Into crime and 0:02:15.480 --> 0:02:17.760 you know, make fun of the serial killers because I 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:21.560 think that's important that we put them down because sometimes 0:02:21.600 --> 0:02:24.640 they become like heroes. And I speak a lot about 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:28.840 magic and uh like chaos magic. So from there, people 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.200 wanted to know more, right, so I came up with 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:35.799 another podcast called The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:39.880 they are really old schools from thousands of years ago 0:02:39.919 --> 0:02:43.160 where they would teach you about the occult and the 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.720 esoteric science and all of the stuff. And so what 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:49.359 I did is from legendas. I did this little podcast 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.799 for everybody that was interested in just the magic part 0:02:51.840 --> 0:02:54.680 and everything. And that's why I went full in, you know, 0:02:54.720 --> 0:02:58.240 into magic, what it is, what it actually is, and 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:03.880 uh rational Satan, some weak witchcraft and just the left 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:07.200 hand Path, all of these things that people because of 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.320 fear and folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes, 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:12.520 and they're scared of it when all of these things 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:15.200 are made to enlighten us and to make us better 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:19.160 persons inside, right, I like that word enlighten us. But okay, 0:03:19.440 --> 0:03:22.400 it's it's absolutely true. I grew up with you know, no, 0:03:22.560 --> 0:03:25.480 ghosts don't exists. Um, that's all in your head. But 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:28.560 I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy. 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:31.320 I know that I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:32.760 then they want to get scared about it, and I 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:34.920 don't feel like I'm scared. I'm like, okay, it's okay. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.720 Like sometimes in my old house when we lived nor 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.360 up the Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:42.640 My door would open. The door was super heavy there 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.040 was no wind, so it would just open at night 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:47.760 and it would make that little screechy noise like right, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.960 And then I would tell my mom like, mom, my 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:52.720 door opens in the middle of the night. She's like, no, 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.080 that loca, You're crazy, there's no way. I was like, okay. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:03:59.360 And then one night I was laying in bed, awake, okay, 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:04.400 completely away. I was on the phone and on my 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.720 left leg I felt someone like, you know how, like 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.080 when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the bed sinks. 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.360 So that happened in my foot when I felt it, 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:16.000 like they were crawling on my bed, and I was like, 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:19.560 I yelled, and I was like, Mom, something's going on again. 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:22.040 You're crazy. That's all in your mind. It's your conscience. 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:28.520 You told me I'll never forget h exactly, and I 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:31.960 was like, mom, No. Then one time I was asleep, 0:04:32.480 --> 0:04:34.560 this is a true story. I was asleep and in 0:04:34.600 --> 0:04:40.280 the same room I hear like a little I felt 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:41.760 it on my right and I heard it and it 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:44.200 woke me up, and I was like, what the F 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:48.480 I told my mom again lo mism. But literally a 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.360 week later, a lady from across the street came over. 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:52.919 We had moved into the house, like I don't know, 0:04:52.960 --> 0:04:54.680 like six months before and she said, how, I just 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.360 want to introduce myself. Um, I see you guys moved in. 0:04:57.640 --> 0:04:59.320 Do you guys know the history about the house. And 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.039 I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, actually 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:05.480 the person that owned this house, that built this house 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.919 years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, no way. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.000 They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information to you. 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.480 I'm like no, because there's opposed to They're supposed to 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:17.119 tell you what happened and then depending on the state, 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:21.440 depending on Yeah, depending on the state too, so they didn't. 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:23.719 And anyways, she told me that it was in my bedroom, 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.640 that he committed suicide in my bedroom. So I was like, mom, say, 0:05:26.800 --> 0:05:29.520 I'm not crazy. So yeah, So anyways, that's just my 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.920 little story. But I believe that's a residual thing. And 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:34.960 exactly that's why I tell people all the time, like 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.600 the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.680 but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:46.080 explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:48.960 trying to look at it from a scientific point. So 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.480 I think we should look at this phenomena as, yeah, 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.279 it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something 0:05:54.320 --> 0:05:58.200 pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg. 0:05:58.240 --> 0:05:59.720 I woke up and my leg was up in the 0:05:59.800 --> 0:06:02.599 air and I couldn't move. And I know they say, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:08.760 like in let and sciences, like it's because your brain 0:06:08.800 --> 0:06:11.440 woke up but your body didn't. And that's like, well, 0:06:11.480 --> 0:06:13.240 that's maybe why you can't move. But how can you 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:18.040 explain my dog going crazy barking at something that was there? 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:21.800 And my dog was like super calm, Corgy never did that. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.919 She was on my chest and then like jumping around 0:06:24.920 --> 0:06:27.240 the bed like something was trying to grab her. And 0:06:27.279 --> 0:06:29.599 then four days after that she wouldn't go near the 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:32.680 closet because I heard it like calm down. I couldn't 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.040 see it. I just felt it, and my dog followed 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.120 it too, and it went into the closet, and for 0:06:37.440 --> 0:06:40.360 days my dog would not go near the closet. So 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.960 how can you explain that something happened there? And that's 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:47.680 a big the big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:50.880 proof is really good, people are gonna say it's fake. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.320 If the proof is not good enough, they're gonna say, 0:06:53.480 --> 0:06:57.080 why don't you have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences 0:06:57.200 --> 0:06:59.839 something for themselves, you will not be able to convince 0:06:59.880 --> 0:07:02.200 them if they don't want to. But us that has 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.000 had things happened to them, we know without a doubt 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.760 that the phenomena is real, absolutely, And and because of 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.040 that experience, is that why you got into the paranormal 0:07:12.240 --> 0:07:15.920 or was it something before? Oh, I was born with it, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.440 since I was a kid, Like in kindergarten, they made 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.520 us make some drawings and the teachers like, what's that? 0:07:21.600 --> 0:07:24.320 And that's a purple monster. My mom has no idea 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:26.240 where I got the word monster from why I was 0:07:26.320 --> 0:07:29.320 drawing monsters? And I think and I've always had an 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.720 obsession with the paranormal and the supernatural and all of these. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.360 And then as I got older, I started getting into 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:39.920 weaker and magic. My master's degree was in creative sciences 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.160 and how to use the occult as a creative process, 0:07:43.160 --> 0:07:46.840 so I got even deeper into the actual teachings of 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:48.520 the other tracks. I've been doing this for like twenty 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:52.120 five years, and now it's I've started to talk about that, 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.520 you know, everything I've learned on this podcast, so people 0:07:54.960 --> 0:07:57.480 will stop fearing it and start looking at it more. 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.760 That's how it should be. Seeing. The esoteric arts and 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.800 the occult arts are trying to explain the world that 0:08:04.920 --> 0:08:09.640 science is just barely trying to touch. Like quantum physics. 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:12.520 This has been described with other words, of course, since 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.880 thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. They just had 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.560 other words for it, and noother how consciousness affects, you know, 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:22.400 the quantum, molecules and everything, entanglement, all of these things. 0:08:22.400 --> 0:08:25.880 So science is just catching up, proving it, putting words 0:08:25.880 --> 0:08:28.560 in it. But we know all of this is true. 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:32.160 What you tell me about magic, how does that work? Magic? 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:37.559 It's like one, it's the same, it's your will becoming reality. 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.480 And then there's a lot of schools of magic. There's 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:44.120 like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's the 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.280 classic TV trope magic with the robes and the silver 0:08:48.400 --> 0:08:53.000 daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's one way. 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:56.080 Then there's chaos magic, which is what I practiced the most, 0:08:56.320 --> 0:09:00.480 which is basically punk magic or pop magic. Here's the thing, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:03.720 so it doesn't matter if it's hood or voodoo or 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:07.480 hermetic or everything. Every single school of magic is looking 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.719 for one thing, which is called noses. So noses it's 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:14.079 a state of mind where you're not asleep and you're 0:09:14.080 --> 0:09:16.439 not awake, like if you wake up in the middle 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.840 of the night, and sometimes you'll even get up, go 0:09:18.920 --> 0:09:21.000 to the bathroom and drink some water, go to sleep, 0:09:21.000 --> 0:09:23.920 and then you you don't even remember if you did 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.160 it or not. That's a state of noses. So every 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.240 school of magic find some way to get you to 0:09:30.320 --> 0:09:34.640 that point, because that's where then your will can go 0:09:34.840 --> 0:09:38.080 over your ego, because our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic, 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.000 materialistic part right, that will go like, no, it's not 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:43.679 gonna happen, but if you're in that state, you can 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:47.160 just project that onto the universe and then it might happen, 0:09:47.160 --> 0:09:50.080 it might not, and it does not go against the 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.520 rules of physics and it's probabilities. Let's say you want 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:55.280 to win the lottery, but you don't buy a ticket. 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.880 So what we need to happen is somebody that you 0:09:58.080 --> 0:10:00.760 would have to buy a winning lotter your ticket, then 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:03.760 lose it, and then the air is going to have 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.560 to push it to where you are. The odds of 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:12.720 that happening are astronomic, so you need to work halfway 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:17.360 towards your goal, yes, okay, and then everything will match up. 0:10:17.679 --> 0:10:21.000 That's how it works. I would really recommend like Weka 0:10:21.120 --> 0:10:24.200 it's a really good practice because it's really spiritual. Or 0:10:24.280 --> 0:10:27.640 just go straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:29.720 Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.679 doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu. 0:10:34.360 --> 0:10:37.760 What matters is that you believe. Yes. Faith is yes. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.000 So when you pray to like, I don't know our 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.640 changel Michael, what you're praying to it what he represents. 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.120 So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking, 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:50.880 you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.560 represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. Right. 0:10:53.840 --> 0:10:57.760 That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic, 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:01.280 it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.560 it teaches you a really simple method which is called 0:11:03.559 --> 0:11:07.800 sigil's sigil magic, where your turn of phrase, let's say, uh, 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.640 I want to have a corgy, which is actually how 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.000 I got my corgy with magic. I found it on 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:15.320 the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.640 transform your phrase into a symbol and then with noses, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:21.880 you just put it in your brain and then you 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:25.280 forget about it and then it happens, and sometimes it doesn't. 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:27.920 And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.800 didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.160 you need. Yes, for example, I did a lot of 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:38.800 spells becuts. I wanted a tenure and I teached university 0:11:38.800 --> 0:11:41.960 for seven years and I wanted tenure, and I was like, 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.840 this is what I want. I'll have a steady job, 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:49.000 steady income and everything. And I didn't get the job. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:51.880 Had I got in the job, I wouldn't have a 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:55.280 podcast and I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love. 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.200 And that's why it didn't happen. Magical thoughts, right of 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:03.280 fortune is always turning, So when you're down you need 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.160 to learn. When you're up, you need to be happy, 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.920 and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. And 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.600 it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you. 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:13.959 But if they want to start, I would say weaker, 0:12:14.200 --> 0:12:16.040 just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you can 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:20.040 find the chaos magic books online and start doing siegels 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.200 and then for noses and chaos. Magic is the orgasm. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.559 That's the main way humans. We have it in us 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:31.160 to have that little blink into noses into the universe. 0:12:31.200 --> 0:12:33.280 That's why we feel like, oh, we understand everything is 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:36.480 going to be fine. So in that moment, you can 0:12:36.600 --> 0:12:40.000 skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.640 Kutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:48.360 with your symbol and you're done. Okaya. Weaker what's weaker again? 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:54.200 Weaka is the It's basically like a more modern take 0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:58.240 on witchcraft. So it started in the UK weak as 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:02.240 a form of paganism, religion or way of life. So 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.200 it's very weakened. It's very rich graffiti. You know, you 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:08.800 go to the forest or the outside, it's Mother Earth, 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.120 it's the nature, spirits, the fae and you know, just 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:22.880 being one with nature. Oh I like that. You say 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:25.000 we shouldn't be scared, you know for the listeners. Here 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:30.160 tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, exister, 0:13:30.720 --> 0:13:33.440 there's black magic and white magic. It just depends on 0:13:33.559 --> 0:13:38.000 your intention. Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool. 0:13:38.559 --> 0:13:41.520 Just like there's no good knives and bad knives. A 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:44.400 knife is a knife. Defense on the user. Oh that's 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:46.080 a good way to look at it. Okay. You can 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.200 cook food or commit a crime, and with magic is 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.960 the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic is it's 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.920 something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. That's it. 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.200 So if your will is to do harm, that's why 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:06.000 you would call magic. But technically it's just magic, I see. Okay, 0:14:06.120 --> 0:14:08.320 So for instance, let's just put this, you know, because 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.280 I love to light candles and stuff like that. So 0:14:10.360 --> 0:14:11.920 I feel like when I light a candle, I put 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.559 good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, I 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:16.559 speak to God, and like put all my intentions to 0:14:16.600 --> 0:14:19.800 this candle that the same person or another person can 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:24.120 get the same candle and ma and know. Yeah, that's 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:26.840 what magic teaches us. We create the world around us. 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:29.520 It starts in here in our brain and then we 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:33.840 manipulated with words. What we are doing right now, it's magic. Ideas. 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.640 I'm putting them into words. I'm moving the air waves, 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:39.400 they're getting into a microphone, and I'm putting my ideas 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:42.720 into your head. That's magic. That's why every like magic 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:47.440 or and everything, there's words, and there's rhymes and there's poetry, 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.400 right you know, as I'm having this conversation. I'm learning 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.320 so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:56.240 known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.120 it in words like you do you know what I mean? 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.640 Because I have a vision board. I believe so much 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:02.480 in vision boards, and I feel like it's just I 0:15:02.760 --> 0:15:05.200 say it like it's like magic. It happens like you 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:08.760 just said, it's believing it, having faith and doing something 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.200 every single day to make that a possibility, and not 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:14.640 just sit there and be like, you know what I mean, 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:20.360 Like everybody would have a Ferrari say. You know, they say, 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:24.720 are you yeah? And what you're saying is completely true. 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.160 It's hard wired into us. Like the first Cave paintings, 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:32.080 they were not just to you know, remember the hunt. 0:15:33.240 --> 0:15:36.160 They were painting a scene that they wanted to happen. 0:15:36.640 --> 0:15:40.960 So before going out, they would paint the mamit or 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:46.280 the prey. They would pay themselves doing a a successful hunt, 0:15:46.880 --> 0:15:49.840 and it was their way of projecting that into the universe. 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.680 Then they would go out, so they were Siegels. And 0:15:52.680 --> 0:15:54.640 then when we're kids, when you write the name of 0:15:54.640 --> 0:15:56.920 the person you like and then your name or or 0:15:56.960 --> 0:15:59.680 their name, A bunch of times and hearts. You're doing 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:03.360 math infesting that it's Siegel magic. You're trying to manifest 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:05.400 even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's 0:16:05.400 --> 0:16:07.840 hardwired into it. Crazy, Okay, what do you tell people 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:11.160 that don't believe? Like, have you ever gotten someone? What 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:14.800 do you tell people all the time? And I tell 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.640 them like, I can't convince you, But as an example, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.960 I always use my because now I have a second corgy. 0:16:20.040 --> 0:16:23.440 My first kergy passed away like two years ago, and 0:16:23.440 --> 0:16:26.560 then I made a Sigel and I got another corgy 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:30.360 adopted again. So I always tell people, like, just explain 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.400 the odds of me in Sulaquais, where there's like, I 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.680 don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city of me 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.880 getting two of them adopted. And even if you don't 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:42.920 believe it was with magic, I made magic and I 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.920 got what I wanted. So what's the difference if you're saying, like, oh, 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.200 it's just good luck or it's probability, and like, that's 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:54.080 exactly what magic is probability. And I choose to look 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:57.440 at this as a magical aspect of something I did. 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.400 And what I tell people is, even if you don't 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.320 believe in it at least try to have like a 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:08.280 magical brain. Magic is everywhere. Wonder at eclipses are how 0:17:08.359 --> 0:17:12.959 plants grow, at the little coincidences in life. If you 0:17:13.000 --> 0:17:16.199 can always look at that with wonder, you will always 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:19.120 have an open mind and open brain. You'll be happier, 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:23.639 You'll you'll be more empathetic other people. Now, do you 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.600 feel that magic is somewhat similar to religion or I 0:17:27.640 --> 0:17:30.600 feel like they kind of intertwined in a way. No, Well, 0:17:30.920 --> 0:17:36.560 religion has magical attributes and rituals like for example, the 0:17:37.119 --> 0:17:42.320 We're called or in church, like repeating the psalms over 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:47.560 and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:51.359 the brain. But in religion they use it towards a 0:17:51.480 --> 0:17:55.440 god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.600 the thing. There are no gods that are that gave 0:17:58.640 --> 0:18:01.959 you something or did not give anything. It's you and 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.879 the universe and whatever you do is on you, and 0:18:05.920 --> 0:18:09.600 whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible for everything. 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.600 So that's the main difference. Like even in Wika they 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:17.160 believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything has a 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.520 male or female energy and it's not about man and women. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:25.199 It's just opposites. Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:27.560 of these energies are there and you interact with them, 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.240 but they won't judge you. They will not send you 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.320 to hell, and you can ask for a favor, but 0:18:34.440 --> 0:18:36.760 it's so you can help yourself. Like what I was 0:18:36.760 --> 0:18:40.280 telling you with Joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're 0:18:40.320 --> 0:18:43.280 just figures. So it's not really a religion in the 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:45.639 sense that there's a God and there's all these rules 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.120 and if you break them, he's going to punish you, right, 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:50.680 I know. And that's what I feel like religion has done, 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:53.520 or what my personal experience is in still so much 0:18:53.600 --> 0:18:55.920 fear that you just it's hard for you to even 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.520 grow to your full potential because you're so damn scared, 0:18:58.680 --> 0:19:00.680 you know what I mean. But that you're talking about, 0:19:00.680 --> 0:19:02.840 I'm like, okay, Like I've seen a lot of people 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:05.320 have their San Julita's, you know, and like what you're 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:09.840 talking about Archangel Michael and stuff, it's San st Judas 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:14.000 you guys. It represents money, no, like abundance and prosperity. 0:19:14.119 --> 0:19:16.160 So it's kind of like what you believe in. Its 0:19:15.920 --> 0:19:19.360 like without you even knowing it's not really the statue 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.000 that you may have is kind of what I'm taking 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.920 right now. It's you putting in that intention of nicoso, 0:19:24.960 --> 0:19:27.240 I'm gonna do well, and you're calling that you're actually 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:35.000 creating the magic yourself. Anyways, I have another question exorcisms. 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:39.399 What do you think about that? Okay, so exorcisms are weird. 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:44.280 First of all, there's no really good documented case of 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:49.680 an exorcistem that wasn't just a mental health issue that 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:53.480 was handled horribly because they a lot of them have 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.200 ended in death. And you know, in that as we 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:58.919 talked about a lot of exporcism cases and they can 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:04.680 all be explained with just folklore and religious people going 0:20:04.720 --> 0:20:07.200 into the exorcism instead of going to a doctor or 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:12.639 a psychiatrist. So I do think some people sometimes feel 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:15.400 like they're not in control. I do not believe like 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:18.440 it's demons, because if we if we talk about demons 0:20:18.480 --> 0:20:23.280 with exorcisms, then we must assume there's only the Christian 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:27.639 God and his demon right, because you have exorcisms in 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:31.520 other cultures, but they're not demons. Sometimes they are evil 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:35.760 spirits or their gin, or they're just bad frequencies. The 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:38.880 one thing that bugs me is if there was really 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.439 proof of an exorcism, the church should just make a 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.159 video of that and then show it to people, and 0:20:45.200 --> 0:20:48.480 that would get everybody converted improve that they are the 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.000 one true religion, right and any really religion could do 0:20:51.040 --> 0:20:53.440 this because that would make people believe, and they've never 0:20:53.480 --> 0:20:57.199 done this. I know people have felt they're possessed or 0:20:57.240 --> 0:21:00.240 they are differently, but I think it's more mental health 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.800 until I see further proof. M all right, yeah, because 0:21:05.040 --> 0:21:08.000 I mean I'm telling you my family's Christian, and I 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:10.639 don't consider myself Christian. I respect our religions, you know, 0:21:10.680 --> 0:21:13.240 so my spirit you know, but I do feel like 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:16.920 it's it's therapy and meditation and prayer and doing something 0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:20.040 every single day for your mental health will prevent a 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.879 lot of things. And I feel like I've proven it 0:21:21.920 --> 0:21:24.160 myself because I once like I don't know I can 0:21:24.440 --> 0:21:27.800 two thousand nine, I felt like something evil was. I 0:21:27.840 --> 0:21:29.639 didn't know how else to explain it because I was 0:21:29.720 --> 0:21:33.040 just barely being like enlightened with my spirituality, and I 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.000 just said, well, I feel like something evil is lurking 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.800 in my body, Like something's going on that's when I came, 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.120 someone told me you should meditate, and I looked into 0:21:40.200 --> 0:21:41.600 it and everything, and ever since I've done that, I 0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:43.680 feel like, oh, it's all starts in the mind. It 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:45.960 starts with one thought and it just starts growing and growing. 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:49.080 It's a snowball effect and you just have to unwind that. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:52.560 And really almost said like unwind your body and your 0:21:52.560 --> 0:21:55.960 mind every single day, and for me it's helped so much. Melit. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:01.280 I do the same, Like every morning, I grabbed a 0:22:01.280 --> 0:22:03.040 glass of water when I wake up, and I go 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:06.160 outside and I just drink my glass of water without 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:09.479 cell phones, nothing, just me and my thoughts alone. And 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.800 that's I think that's enough. If people don't want to 0:22:11.840 --> 0:22:14.439 spend like fifteen minutes to meditate for fifteen minutes, just 0:22:14.480 --> 0:22:17.040 try that. Do I like that? Because you see me 0:22:17.080 --> 0:22:18.879 and I have my water every morning and that's the 0:22:18.920 --> 0:22:22.000 first the first hour of my morning, nothing but water. 0:22:22.119 --> 0:22:24.320