Speaker 1: I grew up with no, ghosts don't exists, that's all
Speaker 1: in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm
Speaker 1: hearing something. Magic is something very simple, is that your
Speaker 1: will becomes reality if your will is to do harm.
Speaker 1: That's why you would call black magic, but technically it's
Speaker 1: just magic. What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced?
Speaker 1: Something you know, paranormal? Yeah, hello, and welcome to Chickens
Speaker 1: and Chill. It's your girl, cheek Ease and damn. Do
Speaker 1: we have an episode for you today. It's about all
Speaker 1: things paranormal. I'm talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between.
Speaker 1: So why wait, let's get into it. This is chick
Speaker 1: Ease and Chill. My guest today's Hose Antonio. He's a
Speaker 1: comedian influencer and the host of two very popular podcasts,
Speaker 1: Leadarias and Secret That, which is part of my Family.
Speaker 1: I can go on and on about how great these
Speaker 1: two podcasts are, but let's introduce our guests. Jos Antonio.
Speaker 1: Welcome to Chickens and Chill. How are you going with stars?
Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you
Speaker 1: for having me. Of course, I'm so excited to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Have so many questions. Okay, f y I okay, perfect, awesome.
Speaker 1: So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. Of course, Well,
Speaker 1: let you know, Lecandadia's was a little side project we
Speaker 1: started about to crime, the paranormal, and uh well just
Speaker 1: strange history, but with comedy, you know, because we're all comedians.
Speaker 1: On my part, I wanted to do all of these
Speaker 1: things but with good research because in Mexico, you know,
Speaker 1: like everything about like your own now or scary stuff.
Speaker 1: They're always trying to scare you, like oh it's Toby
Speaker 1: and and I wanted to do this like seriously as
Speaker 1: in the real where the research comes in, but have
Speaker 1: fun with it and joke about it. Into crime and
Speaker 1: you know, make fun of the serial killers because I
Speaker 1: think that's important that we put them down because sometimes
Speaker 1: they become like heroes. And I speak a lot about
Speaker 1: magic and uh like chaos magic. So from there, people
Speaker 1: wanted to know more, right, so I came up with
Speaker 1: another podcast called The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there,
Speaker 1: they are really old schools from thousands of years ago
Speaker 1: where they would teach you about the occult and the
Speaker 1: esoteric science and all of the stuff. And so what
Speaker 1: I did is from legendas. I did this little podcast
Speaker 1: for everybody that was interested in just the magic part
Speaker 1: and everything. And that's why I went full in, you know,
Speaker 1: into magic, what it is, what it actually is, and
Speaker 1: uh rational Satan, some weak witchcraft and just the left
Speaker 1: hand Path, all of these things that people because of
Speaker 1: fear and folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes,
Speaker 1: and they're scared of it when all of these things
Speaker 1: are made to enlighten us and to make us better
Speaker 1: persons inside, right, I like that word enlighten us. But okay,
Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely true. I grew up with you know, no,
Speaker 1: ghosts don't exists. Um, that's all in your head. But
Speaker 1: I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy.
Speaker 1: I know that I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and
Speaker 1: then they want to get scared about it, and I
Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm scared. I'm like, okay, it's okay.
Speaker 1: Like sometimes in my old house when we lived nor
Speaker 1: up the Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room.
Speaker 1: My door would open. The door was super heavy there
Speaker 1: was no wind, so it would just open at night
Speaker 1: and it would make that little screechy noise like right,
Speaker 1: And then I would tell my mom like, mom, my
Speaker 1: door opens in the middle of the night. She's like, no,
Speaker 1: that loca, You're crazy, there's no way. I was like, okay.
Speaker 1: And then one night I was laying in bed, awake, okay,
Speaker 1: completely away. I was on the phone and on my
Speaker 1: left leg I felt someone like, you know how, like
Speaker 1: when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the bed sinks.
Speaker 1: So that happened in my foot when I felt it,
Speaker 1: like they were crawling on my bed, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I yelled, and I was like, Mom, something's going on again.
Speaker 1: You're crazy. That's all in your mind. It's your conscience.
Speaker 1: You told me I'll never forget h exactly, and I
Speaker 1: was like, mom, No. Then one time I was asleep,
Speaker 1: this is a true story. I was asleep and in
Speaker 1: the same room I hear like a little I felt
Speaker 1: it on my right and I heard it and it
Speaker 1: woke me up, and I was like, what the F
Speaker 1: I told my mom again lo mism. But literally a
Speaker 1: week later, a lady from across the street came over.
Speaker 1: We had moved into the house, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: like six months before and she said, how, I just
Speaker 1: want to introduce myself. Um, I see you guys moved in.
Speaker 1: Do you guys know the history about the house. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, actually
Speaker 1: the person that owned this house, that built this house
Speaker 1: years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, no way.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information to you.
Speaker 1: I'm like no, because there's opposed to They're supposed to
Speaker 1: tell you what happened and then depending on the state,
Speaker 1: depending on Yeah, depending on the state too, so they didn't.
Speaker 1: And anyways, she told me that it was in my bedroom,
Speaker 1: that he committed suicide in my bedroom. So I was like, mom, say,
Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. So yeah, So anyways, that's just my
Speaker 1: little story. But I believe that's a residual thing. And
Speaker 1: exactly that's why I tell people all the time, like
Speaker 1: the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real,
Speaker 1: but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to
Speaker 1: explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of
Speaker 1: trying to look at it from a scientific point. So
Speaker 1: I think we should look at this phenomena as, yeah,
Speaker 1: it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something
Speaker 1: pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg.
Speaker 1: I woke up and my leg was up in the
Speaker 1: air and I couldn't move. And I know they say,
Speaker 1: like in let and sciences, like it's because your brain
Speaker 1: woke up but your body didn't. And that's like, well,
Speaker 1: that's maybe why you can't move. But how can you
Speaker 1: explain my dog going crazy barking at something that was there?
Speaker 1: And my dog was like super calm, Corgy never did that.
Speaker 1: She was on my chest and then like jumping around
Speaker 1: the bed like something was trying to grab her. And
Speaker 1: then four days after that she wouldn't go near the
Speaker 1: closet because I heard it like calm down. I couldn't
Speaker 1: see it. I just felt it, and my dog followed
Speaker 1: it too, and it went into the closet, and for
Speaker 1: days my dog would not go near the closet. So
Speaker 1: how can you explain that something happened there? And that's
Speaker 1: a big the big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the
Speaker 1: proof is really good, people are gonna say it's fake.
Speaker 1: If the proof is not good enough, they're gonna say,
Speaker 1: why don't you have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences
Speaker 1: something for themselves, you will not be able to convince
Speaker 1: them if they don't want to. But us that has
Speaker 1: had things happened to them, we know without a doubt
Speaker 1: that the phenomena is real, absolutely, And and because of
Speaker 1: that experience, is that why you got into the paranormal
Speaker 1: or was it something before? Oh, I was born with it,
Speaker 1: since I was a kid, Like in kindergarten, they made
Speaker 1: us make some drawings and the teachers like, what's that?
Speaker 1: And that's a purple monster. My mom has no idea
Speaker 1: where I got the word monster from why I was
Speaker 1: drawing monsters? And I think and I've always had an
Speaker 1: obsession with the paranormal and the supernatural and all of these.
Speaker 1: And then as I got older, I started getting into
Speaker 1: weaker and magic. My master's degree was in creative sciences
Speaker 1: and how to use the occult as a creative process,
Speaker 1: so I got even deeper into the actual teachings of
Speaker 1: the other tracks. I've been doing this for like twenty
Speaker 1: five years, and now it's I've started to talk about that,
Speaker 1: you know, everything I've learned on this podcast, so people
Speaker 1: will stop fearing it and start looking at it more.
Speaker 1: That's how it should be. Seeing. The esoteric arts and
Speaker 1: the occult arts are trying to explain the world that
Speaker 1: science is just barely trying to touch. Like quantum physics.
Speaker 1: This has been described with other words, of course, since
Speaker 1: thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. They just had
Speaker 1: other words for it, and noother how consciousness affects, you know,
Speaker 1: the quantum, molecules and everything, entanglement, all of these things.
Speaker 1: So science is just catching up, proving it, putting words
Speaker 1: in it. But we know all of this is true.
Speaker 1: What you tell me about magic, how does that work? Magic?
Speaker 1: It's like one, it's the same, it's your will becoming reality.
Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of schools of magic. There's
Speaker 1: like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's the
Speaker 1: classic TV trope magic with the robes and the silver
Speaker 1: daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's one way.
Speaker 1: Then there's chaos magic, which is what I practiced the most,
Speaker 1: which is basically punk magic or pop magic. Here's the thing,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter if it's hood or voodoo or
Speaker 1: hermetic or everything. Every single school of magic is looking
Speaker 1: for one thing, which is called noses. So noses it's
Speaker 1: a state of mind where you're not asleep and you're
Speaker 1: not awake, like if you wake up in the middle
Speaker 1: of the night, and sometimes you'll even get up, go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and drink some water, go to sleep,
Speaker 1: and then you you don't even remember if you did
Speaker 1: it or not. That's a state of noses. So every
Speaker 1: school of magic find some way to get you to
Speaker 1: that point, because that's where then your will can go
Speaker 1: over your ego, because our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic,
Speaker 1: materialistic part right, that will go like, no, it's not
Speaker 1: gonna happen, but if you're in that state, you can
Speaker 1: just project that onto the universe and then it might happen,
Speaker 1: it might not, and it does not go against the
Speaker 1: rules of physics and it's probabilities. Let's say you want
Speaker 1: to win the lottery, but you don't buy a ticket.
Speaker 1: So what we need to happen is somebody that you
Speaker 1: would have to buy a winning lotter your ticket, then
Speaker 1: lose it, and then the air is going to have
Speaker 1: to push it to where you are. The odds of
Speaker 1: that happening are astronomic, so you need to work halfway
Speaker 1: towards your goal, yes, okay, and then everything will match up.
Speaker 1: That's how it works. I would really recommend like Weka
Speaker 1: it's a really good practice because it's really spiritual. Or
Speaker 1: just go straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert
Speaker 1: Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu.
Speaker 1: What matters is that you believe. Yes. Faith is yes.
Speaker 1: So when you pray to like, I don't know our
Speaker 1: changel Michael, what you're praying to it what he represents.
Speaker 1: So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking,
Speaker 1: you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they
Speaker 1: represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. Right.
Speaker 1: That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic,
Speaker 1: it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and
Speaker 1: it teaches you a really simple method which is called
Speaker 1: sigil's sigil magic, where your turn of phrase, let's say, uh,
Speaker 1: I want to have a corgy, which is actually how
Speaker 1: I got my corgy with magic. I found it on
Speaker 1: the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you
Speaker 1: transform your phrase into a symbol and then with noses,
Speaker 1: you just put it in your brain and then you
Speaker 1: forget about it and then it happens, and sometimes it doesn't.
Speaker 1: And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it
Speaker 1: didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what
Speaker 1: you need. Yes, for example, I did a lot of
Speaker 1: spells becuts. I wanted a tenure and I teached university
Speaker 1: for seven years and I wanted tenure, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is what I want. I'll have a steady job,
Speaker 1: steady income and everything. And I didn't get the job.
Speaker 1: Had I got in the job, I wouldn't have a
Speaker 1: podcast and I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love.
Speaker 1: And that's why it didn't happen. Magical thoughts, right of
Speaker 1: fortune is always turning, So when you're down you need
Speaker 1: to learn. When you're up, you need to be happy,
Speaker 1: and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. And
Speaker 1: it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you.
Speaker 1: But if they want to start, I would say weaker,
Speaker 1: just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you can
Speaker 1: find the chaos magic books online and start doing siegels
Speaker 1: and then for noses and chaos. Magic is the orgasm.
Speaker 1: That's the main way humans. We have it in us
Speaker 1: to have that little blink into noses into the universe.
Speaker 1: That's why we feel like, oh, we understand everything is
Speaker 1: going to be fine. So in that moment, you can
Speaker 1: skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to
Speaker 1: Kutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm
Speaker 1: with your symbol and you're done. Okaya. Weaker what's weaker again?
Speaker 1: Weaka is the It's basically like a more modern take
Speaker 1: on witchcraft. So it started in the UK weak as
Speaker 1: a form of paganism, religion or way of life. So
Speaker 1: it's very weakened. It's very rich graffiti. You know, you
Speaker 1: go to the forest or the outside, it's Mother Earth,
Speaker 1: it's the nature, spirits, the fae and you know, just
Speaker 1: being one with nature. Oh I like that. You say
Speaker 1: we shouldn't be scared, you know for the listeners. Here
Speaker 1: tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, exister,
Speaker 1: there's black magic and white magic. It just depends on
Speaker 1: your intention. Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool.
Speaker 1: Just like there's no good knives and bad knives. A
Speaker 1: knife is a knife. Defense on the user. Oh that's
Speaker 1: a good way to look at it. Okay. You can
Speaker 1: cook food or commit a crime, and with magic is
Speaker 1: the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic is it's
Speaker 1: something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. That's it.
Speaker 1: So if your will is to do harm, that's why
Speaker 1: you would call magic. But technically it's just magic, I see. Okay,
Speaker 1: So for instance, let's just put this, you know, because
Speaker 1: I love to light candles and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: I feel like when I light a candle, I put
Speaker 1: good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, I
Speaker 1: speak to God, and like put all my intentions to
Speaker 1: this candle that the same person or another person can
Speaker 1: get the same candle and ma and know. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what magic teaches us. We create the world around us.
Speaker 1: It starts in here in our brain and then we
Speaker 1: manipulated with words. What we are doing right now, it's magic. Ideas.
Speaker 1: I'm putting them into words. I'm moving the air waves,
Speaker 1: they're getting into a microphone, and I'm putting my ideas
Speaker 1: into your head. That's magic. That's why every like magic
Speaker 1: or and everything, there's words, and there's rhymes and there's poetry,
Speaker 1: right you know, as I'm having this conversation. I'm learning
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've
Speaker 1: known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put
Speaker 1: it in words like you do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Because I have a vision board. I believe so much
Speaker 1: in vision boards, and I feel like it's just I
Speaker 1: say it like it's like magic. It happens like you
Speaker 1: just said, it's believing it, having faith and doing something
Speaker 1: every single day to make that a possibility, and not
Speaker 1: just sit there and be like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like everybody would have a Ferrari say. You know, they say,
Speaker 1: are you yeah? And what you're saying is completely true.
Speaker 1: It's hard wired into us. Like the first Cave paintings,
Speaker 1: they were not just to you know, remember the hunt.
Speaker 1: They were painting a scene that they wanted to happen.
Speaker 1: So before going out, they would paint the mamit or
Speaker 1: the prey. They would pay themselves doing a a successful hunt,
Speaker 1: and it was their way of projecting that into the universe.
Speaker 1: Then they would go out, so they were Siegels. And
Speaker 1: then when we're kids, when you write the name of
Speaker 1: the person you like and then your name or or
Speaker 1: their name, A bunch of times and hearts. You're doing
Speaker 1: math infesting that it's Siegel magic. You're trying to manifest
Speaker 1: even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's
Speaker 1: hardwired into it. Crazy, Okay, what do you tell people
Speaker 1: that don't believe? Like, have you ever gotten someone? What
Speaker 1: do you tell people all the time? And I tell
Speaker 1: them like, I can't convince you, But as an example,
Speaker 1: I always use my because now I have a second corgy.
Speaker 1: My first kergy passed away like two years ago, and
Speaker 1: then I made a Sigel and I got another corgy
Speaker 1: adopted again. So I always tell people, like, just explain
Speaker 1: the odds of me in Sulaquais, where there's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city of me
Speaker 1: getting two of them adopted. And even if you don't
Speaker 1: believe it was with magic, I made magic and I
Speaker 1: got what I wanted. So what's the difference if you're saying, like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's just good luck or it's probability, and like, that's
Speaker 1: exactly what magic is probability. And I choose to look
Speaker 1: at this as a magical aspect of something I did.
Speaker 1: And what I tell people is, even if you don't
Speaker 1: believe in it at least try to have like a
Speaker 1: magical brain. Magic is everywhere. Wonder at eclipses are how
Speaker 1: plants grow, at the little coincidences in life. If you
Speaker 1: can always look at that with wonder, you will always
Speaker 1: have an open mind and open brain. You'll be happier,
Speaker 1: You'll you'll be more empathetic other people. Now, do you
Speaker 1: feel that magic is somewhat similar to religion or I
Speaker 1: feel like they kind of intertwined in a way. No, Well,
Speaker 1: religion has magical attributes and rituals like for example, the
Speaker 1: We're called or in church, like repeating the psalms over
Speaker 1: and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change
Speaker 1: the brain. But in religion they use it towards a
Speaker 1: god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing
Speaker 1: the thing. There are no gods that are that gave
Speaker 1: you something or did not give anything. It's you and
Speaker 1: the universe and whatever you do is on you, and
Speaker 1: whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible for everything.
Speaker 1: So that's the main difference. Like even in Wika they
Speaker 1: believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything has a
Speaker 1: male or female energy and it's not about man and women.
Speaker 1: It's just opposites. Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all
Speaker 1: of these energies are there and you interact with them,
Speaker 1: but they won't judge you. They will not send you
Speaker 1: to hell, and you can ask for a favor, but
Speaker 1: it's so you can help yourself. Like what I was
Speaker 1: telling you with Joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're
Speaker 1: just figures. So it's not really a religion in the
Speaker 1: sense that there's a God and there's all these rules
Speaker 1: and if you break them, he's going to punish you, right,
Speaker 1: I know. And that's what I feel like religion has done,
Speaker 1: or what my personal experience is in still so much
Speaker 1: fear that you just it's hard for you to even
Speaker 1: grow to your full potential because you're so damn scared,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that you're talking about,
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Like I've seen a lot of people
Speaker 1: have their San Julita's, you know, and like what you're
Speaker 1: talking about Archangel Michael and stuff, it's San st Judas
Speaker 1: you guys. It represents money, no, like abundance and prosperity.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what you believe in. Its
Speaker 1: like without you even knowing it's not really the statue
Speaker 1: that you may have is kind of what I'm taking
Speaker 1: right now. It's you putting in that intention of nicoso,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do well, and you're calling that you're actually
Speaker 1: creating the magic yourself. Anyways, I have another question exorcisms.
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Okay, so exorcisms are weird.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's no really good documented case of
Speaker 1: an exorcistem that wasn't just a mental health issue that
Speaker 1: was handled horribly because they a lot of them have
Speaker 1: ended in death. And you know, in that as we
Speaker 1: talked about a lot of exporcism cases and they can
Speaker 1: all be explained with just folklore and religious people going
Speaker 1: into the exorcism instead of going to a doctor or
Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. So I do think some people sometimes feel
Speaker 1: like they're not in control. I do not believe like
Speaker 1: it's demons, because if we if we talk about demons
Speaker 1: with exorcisms, then we must assume there's only the Christian
Speaker 1: God and his demon right, because you have exorcisms in
Speaker 1: other cultures, but they're not demons. Sometimes they are evil
Speaker 1: spirits or their gin, or they're just bad frequencies. The
Speaker 1: one thing that bugs me is if there was really
Speaker 1: proof of an exorcism, the church should just make a
Speaker 1: video of that and then show it to people, and
Speaker 1: that would get everybody converted improve that they are the
Speaker 1: one true religion, right and any really religion could do
Speaker 1: this because that would make people believe, and they've never
Speaker 1: done this. I know people have felt they're possessed or
Speaker 1: they are differently, but I think it's more mental health
Speaker 1: until I see further proof. M all right, yeah, because
Speaker 1: I mean I'm telling you my family's Christian, and I
Speaker 1: don't consider myself Christian. I respect our religions, you know,
Speaker 1: so my spirit you know, but I do feel like
Speaker 1: it's it's therapy and meditation and prayer and doing something
Speaker 1: every single day for your mental health will prevent a
Speaker 1: lot of things. And I feel like I've proven it
Speaker 1: myself because I once like I don't know I can
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, I felt like something evil was. I
Speaker 1: didn't know how else to explain it because I was
Speaker 1: just barely being like enlightened with my spirituality, and I
Speaker 1: just said, well, I feel like something evil is lurking
Speaker 1: in my body, Like something's going on that's when I came,
Speaker 1: someone told me you should meditate, and I looked into
Speaker 1: it and everything, and ever since I've done that, I
Speaker 1: feel like, oh, it's all starts in the mind. It
Speaker 1: starts with one thought and it just starts growing and growing.
Speaker 1: It's a snowball effect and you just have to unwind that.
Speaker 1: And really almost said like unwind your body and your
Speaker 1: mind every single day, and for me it's helped so much. Melit.
Speaker 1: I do the same, Like every morning, I grabbed a
Speaker 1: glass of water when I wake up, and I go
Speaker 1: outside and I just drink my glass of water without
Speaker 1: cell phones, nothing, just me and my thoughts alone. And
Speaker 1: that's I think that's enough. If people don't want to
Speaker 1: spend like fifteen minutes to meditate for fifteen minutes, just
Speaker 1: try that. Do I like that? Because you see me
Speaker 1: and I have my water every morning and that's the
Speaker 1: first the first hour of my morning, nothing but water.
Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm just kind of watering my plant,
Speaker 1: which is me, so I can grow. And sometimes it
Speaker 1: is harder to meditate than other day. Sometimes like I
Speaker 1: can't concentrate. So I'm gonna try that to just go
Speaker 1: outside and be with my thoughts. I like that. But
Speaker 1: have you ever played the Wiji board? Oh yeah, a
Speaker 1: bunch of times. Oh really, okay, I've never tried it.
Speaker 1: Net that I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: but explain to me a little bit more because I'm
Speaker 1: a little intrigued about that. Yeah. So, yeah, people are
Speaker 1: really scared of it, and it's you shouldn't be. It's
Speaker 1: actually funny because the wiki board, as we know it,
Speaker 1: it's called out dividing board. So there were a lot
Speaker 1: of them, a lot of models before we got to
Speaker 1: the well known one with the alpha bit and the
Speaker 1: plan chet, which is a little thing that moves. So
Speaker 1: they had ones with the plantchett had a little pencil
Speaker 1: and it will write the words. And like in the
Speaker 1: eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing, families would get
Speaker 1: together and play the Wigi board. This was not about
Speaker 1: devils or demons or anything. Was talking to the dead
Speaker 1: or to something that we don't know what it is
Speaker 1: and getting answers. Then the church got ahold of it
Speaker 1: and they're like, no, this is from the devil and
Speaker 1: blah blah, and everybody started fearing it. My theory might
Speaker 1: take on the Wigi board is that I think there's
Speaker 1: this whole collective consciousness around the world. We're all connected
Speaker 1: consciously then, and you can go to the human residence,
Speaker 1: which is this frequency that surrounds the earth that's like
Speaker 1: seven point six and point eight hurts, which is about
Speaker 1: the hurts we get in our brains when we're meditating.
Speaker 1: So everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness is connected that way,
Speaker 1: and not just humans, animals too. So I think the
Speaker 1: Wigi board is just one way of connecting to the
Speaker 1: frequency where you can get somebody's else's consciousness frequency intelligence,
Speaker 1: and then by micro movements in our muscles, it'll start
Speaker 1: moving the plan chet. So you use your body as
Speaker 1: like an antenna and you're grabbing onto radio waves let's
Speaker 1: call them that. Okay, okay, okay, So it is for
Speaker 1: sure from someone that has past obviously you can't, is all.
Speaker 1: I mean. They've done experiments with rats where they'll teach
Speaker 1: them how to navigate a maze, and then the same
Speaker 1: species of rats like this was in Australia and the
Speaker 1: other sunday in the USA, and they'll learn immediately how
Speaker 1: to navigate the mace. Once part of them know about it,
Speaker 1: they're connected. So I think humans have the same thing.
Speaker 1: I can't say for sure if it's dead people or
Speaker 1: or people that are all alive, or just the information
Speaker 1: of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that you
Speaker 1: tap into and then re produce on the board. But
Speaker 1: I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But I
Speaker 1: do tell people when they ask me, I say two things,
Speaker 1: because they're always like, I want to play, but I'm curious.
Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, first, the worst thing that could
Speaker 1: happen is that it won't move. Usually, you won't be
Speaker 1: in the mood, and it just nothing will happen. And
Speaker 1: and the second thing is do the goodbye thing. You
Speaker 1: know they always tell you, like, do say goodbye. And
Speaker 1: this is not because something bad will happen, but this
Speaker 1: is because if something whatever happens the next day, you know,
Speaker 1: your car battery runs out, you'll probably think to yourself, Oh,
Speaker 1: that's because I didn't say goodbye on Luigi board, And
Speaker 1: then you'll yeah, you're gonna salotaze yourself and just for
Speaker 1: peace of mind to do it, but you don't have to. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's get into goes real quick. I know we talked
Speaker 1: about them a little bit, but look at it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear.
Speaker 1: Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit?
Speaker 1: Or what do what do we call that exactly? I
Speaker 1: mean because I know that I experienced it. I felt yeah,
Speaker 1: and I believe you and I've I've had a bunch
Speaker 1: of experiences, and I think we need to look at
Speaker 1: them as depending on the case. If you call it
Speaker 1: a ghost, it kinda forces you to believe that there's
Speaker 1: life after death and then there's a person stuck between
Speaker 1: this world and the other. So that's hard to prove,
Speaker 1: but we do know that there's a bunch of different
Speaker 1: types of paranormal activity types. For example, when things move
Speaker 1: around the house and then glasses fly away, usually that's
Speaker 1: called a poltergeist or a noisy ghost. So polter geist
Speaker 1: what's been discovered now in parapsychology. It's it's it's usually
Speaker 1: cast by somebody in the house, and it's usually a
Speaker 1: teenager and it's basically just telekinesis. That's it's and they
Speaker 1: don't know they're doing it. So let's say the hormones
Speaker 1: h twelve year girl with hormones gets mad at her
Speaker 1: mom and she's like het, your mom leaves the room
Speaker 1: and then the plate goes flying out of the room.
Speaker 1: Though that was the girl doing it, not a ghost.
Speaker 1: And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll
Speaker 1: move to another home and the ghost will follow them,
Speaker 1: quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the
Speaker 1: kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know
Speaker 1: or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up,
Speaker 1: it'll just end. And and that's what happens with potogonst
Speaker 1: they just stopped. Now. In your case, for example, that
Speaker 1: sounds more like what they call our residual kind of
Speaker 1: energy or residual ghost or apparition. Because there's this theory
Speaker 1: called the stone tape theory. So energy is energy, right,
Speaker 1: and everything around us is absorbing our thoughts and our
Speaker 1: emotions and everything. So when I don't know the weather
Speaker 1: and the atmospheric pressure and all things are perfect, this
Speaker 1: like a hologram of a person will appear and it
Speaker 1: will move around the house, it'll sit on the bed.
Speaker 1: It's not conscious, it's not actually thinking about what it's doing.
Speaker 1: It's just like a recording that keeps moving around. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then you have the rarest kind, which is like
Speaker 1: the intelligent kind of apparition where you can ask it
Speaker 1: like can you open the door and it will open it,
Speaker 1: or move something and it will move it and it'll
Speaker 1: actually communicating a way with you. So depending on the case,
Speaker 1: you need to look at all of the factors around
Speaker 1: it to determine what what it could be. Of course,
Speaker 1: first you need to determine that it's not you know,
Speaker 1: an old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but
Speaker 1: like something sitting on your bed. That's that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's obviously something was there, and by the looks of it,
Speaker 1: it's kind of residual. It may be touched you because
Speaker 1: it's moving around. Actually, it's really coming that people start
Speaker 1: having a hunting in their house when they remodel, because
Speaker 1: you're moving the energy. No, not just the energy. Also
Speaker 1: you're putting out stuff. Let's say they're are a ghost
Speaker 1: walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it,
Speaker 1: but now there's a glass plate there, So now that
Speaker 1: energy is gonna hit against that and you're gonna you're
Speaker 1: gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you.
Speaker 1: It's always been just moving there like a recording, but
Speaker 1: now it has something to interact with that makes sense.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really interesting that the whole case in
Speaker 1: parapsychology and the paranormal and paran natural I think it's
Speaker 1: something that science needs to look more into. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. And now that we're
Speaker 1: on this topic, before we close, what's been the craziest
Speaker 1: thing that you've experienced? You know, something you know paranormal? Well,
Speaker 1: super quick. It was in the middle in the middle
Speaker 1: of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were in
Speaker 1: a cabin and we were in the attic, me and
Speaker 1: my friend, and you could see like just beyond the
Speaker 1: bed and the rest was just dark, and something started
Speaker 1: walking right in the dark, and then it started walking
Speaker 1: towards the bed. We put the sheets on our faces.
Speaker 1: It walked to my side of the bed and then
Speaker 1: to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear
Speaker 1: it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so
Speaker 1: scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door
Speaker 1: opens and it's my friend's dad and he's like, stopped
Speaker 1: walking over there, You're you're not letting us sleep because
Speaker 1: they were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh,
Speaker 1: ship they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining
Speaker 1: these steps. That was one, but the truly creepiest one.
Speaker 1: We went to a house that I had an next
Speaker 1: girlfriend who was studying psychology and the teacher rented a
Speaker 1: house where they would do with their practices and everything,
Speaker 1: and it was super hunted. But like good psychologists, they
Speaker 1: tried to deny it, deny it until they just couldn't.
Speaker 1: Like doors would open, the patients were here, it, things
Speaker 1: would disappear. It was just weird. So one day they
Speaker 1: finally said, okay, you can come investigate, because I was like,
Speaker 1: let me go investigate. So we were there. Nothing happens.
Speaker 1: Most of the timing goes hunting situations, nothing happens. But
Speaker 1: this time we were outside. We were always ready to go,
Speaker 1: and we hear our rockets like something broke inside. We
Speaker 1: run inside and there was like three doors to the
Speaker 1: left side of the house. There was this this hallway
Speaker 1: and I had this like well scientific method as much
Speaker 1: as you can call it, that you would open a
Speaker 1: door and then we would close it and then check it.
Speaker 1: This was so because a door, an open door can
Speaker 1: move because of air currents or something, but a closed door,
Speaker 1: if it opens, it's harder to explain it. So we
Speaker 1: do that. On the first door, which was a room
Speaker 1: with more activity and nothing, take pictures. Nothing close closed,
Speaker 1: second door, nothing close. When we were getting to the
Speaker 1: third door, the knob on the first door starts moving like.
Speaker 1: We turned around and four of us ade like until
Speaker 1: the door opened like somebody kicked it and slammed like
Speaker 1: three times and stopped. We went over there. We took pictures. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then wait, it gets reap here. We took pictures.
Speaker 1: Those were the only pictures with orbs. I mean, orbs
Speaker 1: can sometimes be insects, but these were weirder. So that happens.
Speaker 1: We were outside. We were talking about like, okay, everybody
Speaker 1: tell her being exactly what you saw, and then this
Speaker 1: was just deduction. I looked down and there was this
Speaker 1: big tree where we would hang out, and it was dead,
Speaker 1: and all the trees around the next properties they were alive.
Speaker 1: And then right next to the tree there was this
Speaker 1: big patch without grass. So I started thinking and just
Speaker 1: you know, logical resitting, and I like, I think they
Speaker 1: buried something here. They hit the roots and that killed
Speaker 1: the tree and that's it. We went home. I told
Speaker 1: my girlfriend what happened, and I told her about my
Speaker 1: theory with the tree. Three days go by and the
Speaker 1: teacher calls me, like at ten pm and she's like,
Speaker 1: get over here. Things are just the worst. I want
Speaker 1: you to dig. We start digging, and then I don't know,
Speaker 1: after two ft I started getting pieces of like bad cheats.
Speaker 1: I remember it even had the J. C. Penny tag
Speaker 1: on it, and then pieces of a black plastic bag,
Speaker 1: but the thick ones, and then like three feet in,
Speaker 1: I pull like this much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah,
Speaker 1: like fifteen inches long, and like my finger thick of
Speaker 1: that clump. I pull it there and that's where the
Speaker 1: teacher went like put that back in. Stop digging. I
Speaker 1: don't want to know anything else anything, And we left
Speaker 1: it like that, and that's how still there. I don't
Speaker 1: know if she ever called the cops. I don't know
Speaker 1: what happened, but that was That story is still with
Speaker 1: me till this day. That's crazy because you're you know,
Speaker 1: I guess as we know. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: I haven't had an experience in a while, but I
Speaker 1: was just curious. Yeah, but there is something A friend
Speaker 1: of mine wanted me to do it with her, I
Speaker 1: believe we were in duloom a yahuasca. Yahuasca, I've never
Speaker 1: tried it. I'm kind of curious, to be honest, But
Speaker 1: what happens when you do that? Do you know about that? Yes,
Speaker 1: I've done it four times. Oh nice, okay, perfect, okay,
Speaker 1: so tell me. Yeah, So a yahuasca is really cool.
Speaker 1: What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main,
Speaker 1: the active ingredient is DMPT, So our brain produces d
Speaker 1: MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes that tiny
Speaker 1: bit of DMPT. And what they say is that when
Speaker 1: you we're born and you you cry in the first
Speaker 1: time you were awake after the womb, that's like the
Speaker 1: brain shoots you up with DMPT, and they believe that's
Speaker 1: the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots
Speaker 1: you up with d MT and sends you into an
Speaker 1: eternal dream. So with a yaguasca, you get this shot
Speaker 1: of DMT, which basic clean makes your brain see the
Speaker 1: matrix that makes the universe. You see the sales and plants,
Speaker 1: you see things reading, you understand yourself. You can go
Speaker 1: inside yourself and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and
Speaker 1: just become one with the universe because you're during this
Speaker 1: dream state, but you're awake. What I do really recommend
Speaker 1: if anybody wants to try it, is they do it
Speaker 1: in a safe space with as few people as possible
Speaker 1: and with somebody that knows what he's doing so they
Speaker 1: can guide you. And you will throw up. I know,
Speaker 1: I heard about that. My friends said she threw up horribly,
Speaker 1: but then the days after she felt better, she felt lighter.
Speaker 1: Like in one session a girl had just lost her
Speaker 1: father and in one session she she was crying for
Speaker 1: hours and then laughing and everything, and she was done.
Speaker 1: She just finally she let go. She was mourning for
Speaker 1: like nine months, and with one session she was able
Speaker 1: to let go. Oh wow, thank you so much for
Speaker 1: being on the podcast. I learned so much. Again, I
Speaker 1: apologize for all my questions, but thank you for answering them.
Speaker 1: You were awesome. And before you go, please share your
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Speaker 1: Thank you Antonio so much and everyone listening. You know
Speaker 1: that we always end with a quote motivational quotes Akiles Van.
Speaker 1: The quote is we've all got both light and dark
Speaker 1: inside us. What matters is the part we choose to
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