1 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: I grew up with no, ghosts don't exists, that's all 2 00:00:06,880 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, 3 00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: hearing something. Magic is something very simple, is that your 5 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 1: will becomes reality if your will is to do harm. 6 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:22,040 Speaker 1: That's why you would call black magic, but technically it's 7 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: just magic. What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced? 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: Something you know, paranormal? Yeah, hello, and welcome to Chickens 9 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: and Chill. It's your girl, cheek Ease and damn. Do 10 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: we have an episode for you today. It's about all 11 00:00:46,440 --> 00:00:50,440 Speaker 1: things paranormal. I'm talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between. 12 00:00:50,640 --> 00:00:53,200 Speaker 1: So why wait, let's get into it. This is chick 13 00:00:53,240 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Ease and Chill. My guest today's Hose Antonio. He's a 14 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: comedian influencer and the host of two very popular podcasts, 15 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: Leadarias and Secret That, which is part of my Family. 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,679 Speaker 1: I can go on and on about how great these 17 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 1: two podcasts are, but let's introduce our guests. Jos Antonio. 18 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to Chickens and Chill. How are you going with stars? 19 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: I'm great, I'm so excited to be here. Thank you 20 00:01:27,800 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: for having me. Of course, I'm so excited to talk 21 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: to you. Have so many questions. Okay, f y I okay, perfect, awesome. 22 00:01:38,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. Of course, Well, 23 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,560 Speaker 1: let you know, Lecandadia's was a little side project we 24 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: started about to crime, the paranormal, and uh well just 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: strange history, but with comedy, you know, because we're all comedians. 26 00:01:54,240 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: On my part, I wanted to do all of these 27 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: things but with good research because in Mexico, you know, 28 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 1: like everything about like your own now or scary stuff. 29 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: They're always trying to scare you, like oh it's Toby 30 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 1: and and I wanted to do this like seriously as 31 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: in the real where the research comes in, but have 32 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: fun with it and joke about it. Into crime and 33 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: you know, make fun of the serial killers because I 34 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: think that's important that we put them down because sometimes 35 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,640 Speaker 1: they become like heroes. And I speak a lot about 36 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 1: magic and uh like chaos magic. So from there, people 37 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: wanted to know more, right, so I came up with 38 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: another podcast called The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there, 39 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 1: they are really old schools from thousands of years ago 40 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: where they would teach you about the occult and the 41 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: esoteric science and all of the stuff. And so what 42 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,359 Speaker 1: I did is from legendas. I did this little podcast 43 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: for everybody that was interested in just the magic part 44 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: and everything. And that's why I went full in, you know, 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: into magic, what it is, what it actually is, and 46 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: uh rational Satan, some weak witchcraft and just the left 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:07,200 Speaker 1: hand Path, all of these things that people because of 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: fear and folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes, 49 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: and they're scared of it when all of these things 50 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: are made to enlighten us and to make us better 51 00:03:15,480 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: persons inside, right, I like that word enlighten us. But okay, 52 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,400 Speaker 1: it's it's absolutely true. I grew up with you know, no, 53 00:03:22,560 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: ghosts don't exists. Um, that's all in your head. But 54 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 1: I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy. 55 00:03:28,720 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 1: I know that I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and 56 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: then they want to get scared about it, and I 57 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: don't feel like I'm scared. I'm like, okay, it's okay. 58 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: Like sometimes in my old house when we lived nor 59 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: up the Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room. 60 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:42,640 Speaker 1: My door would open. The door was super heavy there 61 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: was no wind, so it would just open at night 62 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: and it would make that little screechy noise like right, 63 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: And then I would tell my mom like, mom, my 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: door opens in the middle of the night. She's like, no, 65 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: that loca, You're crazy, there's no way. I was like, okay. 66 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,360 Speaker 1: And then one night I was laying in bed, awake, okay, 67 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 1: completely away. I was on the phone and on my 68 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: left leg I felt someone like, you know how, like 69 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the bed sinks. 70 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: So that happened in my foot when I felt it, 71 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: like they were crawling on my bed, and I was like, 72 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: I yelled, and I was like, Mom, something's going on again. 73 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: You're crazy. That's all in your mind. It's your conscience. 74 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: You told me I'll never forget h exactly, and I 75 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 1: was like, mom, No. Then one time I was asleep, 76 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 1: this is a true story. I was asleep and in 77 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: the same room I hear like a little I felt 78 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: it on my right and I heard it and it 79 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: woke me up, and I was like, what the F 80 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: I told my mom again lo mism. But literally a 81 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: week later, a lady from across the street came over. 82 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: We had moved into the house, like I don't know, 83 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: like six months before and she said, how, I just 84 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: want to introduce myself. Um, I see you guys moved in. 85 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 1: Do you guys know the history about the house. And 86 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, actually 87 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the person that owned this house, that built this house 88 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,919 Speaker 1: years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, no way. 89 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information to you. 90 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:14,480 Speaker 1: I'm like no, because there's opposed to They're supposed to 91 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,119 Speaker 1: tell you what happened and then depending on the state, 92 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: depending on Yeah, depending on the state too, so they didn't. 93 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: And anyways, she told me that it was in my bedroom, 94 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: that he committed suicide in my bedroom. So I was like, mom, say, 95 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. So yeah, So anyways, that's just my 96 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: little story. But I believe that's a residual thing. And 97 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: exactly that's why I tell people all the time, like 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 1: the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real, 99 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to 100 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of 101 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: trying to look at it from a scientific point. So 102 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 1: I think we should look at this phenomena as, yeah, 103 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 1: it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something 104 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg. 105 00:05:58,240 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: I woke up and my leg was up in the 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,599 Speaker 1: air and I couldn't move. And I know they say, 107 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: like in let and sciences, like it's because your brain 108 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: woke up but your body didn't. And that's like, well, 109 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: that's maybe why you can't move. But how can you 110 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: explain my dog going crazy barking at something that was there? 111 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: And my dog was like super calm, Corgy never did that. 112 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: She was on my chest and then like jumping around 113 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: the bed like something was trying to grab her. And 114 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: then four days after that she wouldn't go near the 115 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: closet because I heard it like calm down. I couldn't 116 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:35,040 Speaker 1: see it. I just felt it, and my dog followed 117 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: it too, and it went into the closet, and for 118 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: days my dog would not go near the closet. So 119 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: how can you explain that something happened there? And that's 120 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: a big the big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: proof is really good, people are gonna say it's fake. 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: If the proof is not good enough, they're gonna say, 123 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,080 Speaker 1: why don't you have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences 124 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: something for themselves, you will not be able to convince 125 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: them if they don't want to. But us that has 126 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: had things happened to them, we know without a doubt 127 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: that the phenomena is real, absolutely, And and because of 128 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: that experience, is that why you got into the paranormal 129 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: or was it something before? Oh, I was born with it, 130 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: since I was a kid, Like in kindergarten, they made 131 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: us make some drawings and the teachers like, what's that? 132 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: And that's a purple monster. My mom has no idea 133 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: where I got the word monster from why I was 134 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 1: drawing monsters? And I think and I've always had an 135 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 1: obsession with the paranormal and the supernatural and all of these. 136 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: And then as I got older, I started getting into 137 00:07:35,400 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: weaker and magic. My master's degree was in creative sciences 138 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: and how to use the occult as a creative process, 139 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: so I got even deeper into the actual teachings of 140 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: the other tracks. I've been doing this for like twenty 141 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: five years, and now it's I've started to talk about that, 142 00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 1: you know, everything I've learned on this podcast, so people 143 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: will stop fearing it and start looking at it more. 144 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 1: That's how it should be. Seeing. The esoteric arts and 145 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: the occult arts are trying to explain the world that 146 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: science is just barely trying to touch. Like quantum physics. 147 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: This has been described with other words, of course, since 148 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. They just had 149 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: other words for it, and noother how consciousness affects, you know, 150 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:22,400 Speaker 1: the quantum, molecules and everything, entanglement, all of these things. 151 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: So science is just catching up, proving it, putting words 152 00:08:25,880 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: in it. But we know all of this is true. 153 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: What you tell me about magic, how does that work? Magic? 154 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,559 Speaker 1: It's like one, it's the same, it's your will becoming reality. 155 00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: And then there's a lot of schools of magic. There's 156 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's the 157 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,280 Speaker 1: classic TV trope magic with the robes and the silver 158 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's one way. 159 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: Then there's chaos magic, which is what I practiced the most, 160 00:08:56,320 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: which is basically punk magic or pop magic. Here's the thing, 161 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: so it doesn't matter if it's hood or voodoo or 162 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: hermetic or everything. Every single school of magic is looking 163 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: for one thing, which is called noses. So noses it's 164 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:14,079 Speaker 1: a state of mind where you're not asleep and you're 165 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,439 Speaker 1: not awake, like if you wake up in the middle 166 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: of the night, and sometimes you'll even get up, go 167 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 1: to the bathroom and drink some water, go to sleep, 168 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: and then you you don't even remember if you did 169 00:09:23,920 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: it or not. That's a state of noses. So every 170 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: school of magic find some way to get you to 171 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: that point, because that's where then your will can go 172 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: over your ego, because our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic, 173 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: materialistic part right, that will go like, no, it's not 174 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: gonna happen, but if you're in that state, you can 175 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: just project that onto the universe and then it might happen, 176 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: it might not, and it does not go against the 177 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: rules of physics and it's probabilities. Let's say you want 178 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: to win the lottery, but you don't buy a ticket. 179 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 1: So what we need to happen is somebody that you 180 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: would have to buy a winning lotter your ticket, then 181 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: lose it, and then the air is going to have 182 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:06,560 Speaker 1: to push it to where you are. The odds of 183 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: that happening are astronomic, so you need to work halfway 184 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: towards your goal, yes, okay, and then everything will match up. 185 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: That's how it works. I would really recommend like Weka 186 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: it's a really good practice because it's really spiritual. Or 187 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: just go straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert 188 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,720 Speaker 1: Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it 189 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,679 Speaker 1: doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu. 190 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 1: What matters is that you believe. Yes. Faith is yes. 191 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: So when you pray to like, I don't know our 192 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: changel Michael, what you're praying to it what he represents. 193 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking, 194 00:10:47,920 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they 195 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. Right. 196 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic, 197 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and 198 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: it teaches you a really simple method which is called 199 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 1: sigil's sigil magic, where your turn of phrase, let's say, uh, 200 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: I want to have a corgy, which is actually how 201 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,000 Speaker 1: I got my corgy with magic. I found it on 202 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 1: the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you 203 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: transform your phrase into a symbol and then with noses, 204 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: you just put it in your brain and then you 205 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,280 Speaker 1: forget about it and then it happens, and sometimes it doesn't. 206 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it 207 00:11:27,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what 208 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:35,160 Speaker 1: you need. Yes, for example, I did a lot of 209 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: spells becuts. I wanted a tenure and I teached university 210 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: for seven years and I wanted tenure, and I was like, 211 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 1: this is what I want. I'll have a steady job, 212 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: steady income and everything. And I didn't get the job. 213 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: Had I got in the job, I wouldn't have a 214 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: podcast and I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love. 215 00:11:56,120 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: And that's why it didn't happen. Magical thoughts, right of 216 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: fortune is always turning, So when you're down you need 217 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: to learn. When you're up, you need to be happy, 218 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. And 219 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you. 220 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: But if they want to start, I would say weaker, 221 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you can 222 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:20,040 Speaker 1: find the chaos magic books online and start doing siegels 223 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: and then for noses and chaos. Magic is the orgasm. 224 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,559 Speaker 1: That's the main way humans. We have it in us 225 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:31,160 Speaker 1: to have that little blink into noses into the universe. 226 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: That's why we feel like, oh, we understand everything is 227 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: going to be fine. So in that moment, you can 228 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:40,000 Speaker 1: skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to 229 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: Kutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm 230 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: with your symbol and you're done. Okaya. Weaker what's weaker again? 231 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Weaka is the It's basically like a more modern take 232 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 1: on witchcraft. So it started in the UK weak as 233 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: a form of paganism, religion or way of life. So 234 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:05,200 Speaker 1: it's very weakened. It's very rich graffiti. You know, you 235 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: go to the forest or the outside, it's Mother Earth, 236 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: it's the nature, spirits, the fae and you know, just 237 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: being one with nature. Oh I like that. You say 238 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:25,000 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be scared, you know for the listeners. Here 239 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, exister, 240 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 1: there's black magic and white magic. It just depends on 241 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 1: your intention. Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool. 242 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 1: Just like there's no good knives and bad knives. A 243 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: knife is a knife. Defense on the user. Oh that's 244 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: a good way to look at it. Okay. You can 245 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 1: cook food or commit a crime, and with magic is 246 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic is it's 247 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 1: something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. That's it. 248 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: So if your will is to do harm, that's why 249 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: you would call magic. But technically it's just magic, I see. Okay, 250 00:14:06,120 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: So for instance, let's just put this, you know, because 251 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: I love to light candles and stuff like that. So 252 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: I feel like when I light a candle, I put 253 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,559 Speaker 1: good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, I 254 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:16,559 Speaker 1: speak to God, and like put all my intentions to 255 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 1: this candle that the same person or another person can 256 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: get the same candle and ma and know. Yeah, that's 257 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: what magic teaches us. We create the world around us. 258 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: It starts in here in our brain and then we 259 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 1: manipulated with words. What we are doing right now, it's magic. Ideas. 260 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: I'm putting them into words. I'm moving the air waves, 261 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: they're getting into a microphone, and I'm putting my ideas 262 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: into your head. That's magic. That's why every like magic 263 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: or and everything, there's words, and there's rhymes and there's poetry, 264 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,400 Speaker 1: right you know, as I'm having this conversation. I'm learning 265 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've 266 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put 267 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 1: it in words like you do you know what I mean? 268 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: Because I have a vision board. I believe so much 269 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: in vision boards, and I feel like it's just I 270 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: say it like it's like magic. It happens like you 271 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: just said, it's believing it, having faith and doing something 272 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: every single day to make that a possibility, and not 273 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: just sit there and be like, you know what I mean, 274 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: Like everybody would have a Ferrari say. You know, they say, 275 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 1: are you yeah? And what you're saying is completely true. 276 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: It's hard wired into us. Like the first Cave paintings, 277 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: they were not just to you know, remember the hunt. 278 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,160 Speaker 1: They were painting a scene that they wanted to happen. 279 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: So before going out, they would paint the mamit or 280 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: the prey. They would pay themselves doing a a successful hunt, 281 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 1: and it was their way of projecting that into the universe. 282 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: Then they would go out, so they were Siegels. And 283 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: then when we're kids, when you write the name of 284 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: the person you like and then your name or or 285 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: their name, A bunch of times and hearts. You're doing 286 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: math infesting that it's Siegel magic. You're trying to manifest 287 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's 288 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: hardwired into it. Crazy, Okay, what do you tell people 289 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: that don't believe? Like, have you ever gotten someone? What 290 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: do you tell people all the time? And I tell 291 00:16:14,880 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: them like, I can't convince you, But as an example, 292 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: I always use my because now I have a second corgy. 293 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: My first kergy passed away like two years ago, and 294 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: then I made a Sigel and I got another corgy 295 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 1: adopted again. So I always tell people, like, just explain 296 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 1: the odds of me in Sulaquais, where there's like, I 297 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city of me 298 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: getting two of them adopted. And even if you don't 299 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: believe it was with magic, I made magic and I 300 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 1: got what I wanted. So what's the difference if you're saying, like, oh, 301 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: it's just good luck or it's probability, and like, that's 302 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:54,080 Speaker 1: exactly what magic is probability. And I choose to look 303 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 1: at this as a magical aspect of something I did. 304 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: And what I tell people is, even if you don't 305 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 1: believe in it at least try to have like a 306 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 1: magical brain. Magic is everywhere. Wonder at eclipses are how 307 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:12,959 Speaker 1: plants grow, at the little coincidences in life. If you 308 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:16,199 Speaker 1: can always look at that with wonder, you will always 309 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: have an open mind and open brain. You'll be happier, 310 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: You'll you'll be more empathetic other people. Now, do you 311 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: feel that magic is somewhat similar to religion or I 312 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: feel like they kind of intertwined in a way. No, Well, 313 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 1: religion has magical attributes and rituals like for example, the 314 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: We're called or in church, like repeating the psalms over 315 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change 316 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 1: the brain. But in religion they use it towards a 317 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing 318 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the thing. There are no gods that are that gave 319 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,959 Speaker 1: you something or did not give anything. It's you and 320 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: the universe and whatever you do is on you, and 321 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible for everything. 322 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: So that's the main difference. Like even in Wika they 323 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything has a 324 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:20,520 Speaker 1: male or female energy and it's not about man and women. 325 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: It's just opposites. Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all 326 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: of these energies are there and you interact with them, 327 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,240 Speaker 1: but they won't judge you. They will not send you 328 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: to hell, and you can ask for a favor, but 329 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: it's so you can help yourself. Like what I was 330 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: telling you with Joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're 331 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: just figures. So it's not really a religion in the 332 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: sense that there's a God and there's all these rules 333 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,120 Speaker 1: and if you break them, he's going to punish you, right, 334 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,680 Speaker 1: I know. And that's what I feel like religion has done, 335 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 1: or what my personal experience is in still so much 336 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 1: fear that you just it's hard for you to even 337 00:18:56,040 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: grow to your full potential because you're so damn scared, 338 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But that you're talking about, 339 00:19:00,680 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, Like I've seen a lot of people 340 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 1: have their San Julita's, you know, and like what you're 341 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: talking about Archangel Michael and stuff, it's San st Judas 342 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,000 Speaker 1: you guys. It represents money, no, like abundance and prosperity. 343 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,160 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like what you believe in. Its 344 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,360 Speaker 1: like without you even knowing it's not really the statue 345 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,000 Speaker 1: that you may have is kind of what I'm taking 346 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 1: right now. It's you putting in that intention of nicoso, 347 00:19:24,960 --> 00:19:27,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do well, and you're calling that you're actually 348 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: creating the magic yourself. Anyways, I have another question exorcisms. 349 00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Okay, so exorcisms are weird. 350 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: First of all, there's no really good documented case of 351 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:49,680 Speaker 1: an exorcistem that wasn't just a mental health issue that 352 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: was handled horribly because they a lot of them have 353 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: ended in death. And you know, in that as we 354 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:58,919 Speaker 1: talked about a lot of exporcism cases and they can 355 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: all be explained with just folklore and religious people going 356 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 1: into the exorcism instead of going to a doctor or 357 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: a psychiatrist. So I do think some people sometimes feel 358 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 1: like they're not in control. I do not believe like 359 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: it's demons, because if we if we talk about demons 360 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: with exorcisms, then we must assume there's only the Christian 361 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: God and his demon right, because you have exorcisms in 362 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,520 Speaker 1: other cultures, but they're not demons. Sometimes they are evil 363 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 1: spirits or their gin, or they're just bad frequencies. The 364 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: one thing that bugs me is if there was really 365 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 1: proof of an exorcism, the church should just make a 366 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: video of that and then show it to people, and 367 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: that would get everybody converted improve that they are the 368 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: one true religion, right and any really religion could do 369 00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,440 Speaker 1: this because that would make people believe, and they've never 370 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:57,199 Speaker 1: done this. I know people have felt they're possessed or 371 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,240 Speaker 1: they are differently, but I think it's more mental health 372 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 1: until I see further proof. M all right, yeah, because 373 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: I mean I'm telling you my family's Christian, and I 374 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,639 Speaker 1: don't consider myself Christian. I respect our religions, you know, 375 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 1: so my spirit you know, but I do feel like 376 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: it's it's therapy and meditation and prayer and doing something 377 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: every single day for your mental health will prevent a 378 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: lot of things. And I feel like I've proven it 379 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: myself because I once like I don't know I can 380 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: two thousand nine, I felt like something evil was. I 381 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 1: didn't know how else to explain it because I was 382 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 1: just barely being like enlightened with my spirituality, and I 383 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,000 Speaker 1: just said, well, I feel like something evil is lurking 384 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:37,800 Speaker 1: in my body, Like something's going on that's when I came, 385 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 1: someone told me you should meditate, and I looked into 386 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: it and everything, and ever since I've done that, I 387 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, it's all starts in the mind. It 388 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,960 Speaker 1: starts with one thought and it just starts growing and growing. 389 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 1: It's a snowball effect and you just have to unwind that. 390 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: And really almost said like unwind your body and your 391 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 1: mind every single day, and for me it's helped so much. Melit. 392 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 1: I do the same, Like every morning, I grabbed a 393 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: glass of water when I wake up, and I go 394 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: outside and I just drink my glass of water without 395 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: cell phones, nothing, just me and my thoughts alone. And 396 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: that's I think that's enough. If people don't want to 397 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: spend like fifteen minutes to meditate for fifteen minutes, just 398 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: try that. Do I like that? Because you see me 399 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:18,879 Speaker 1: and I have my water every morning and that's the 400 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: first the first hour of my morning, nothing but water. 401 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: And I feel like I'm just kind of watering my plant, 402 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,639 Speaker 1: which is me, so I can grow. And sometimes it 403 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: is harder to meditate than other day. Sometimes like I 404 00:22:28,520 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: can't concentrate. So I'm gonna try that to just go 405 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: outside and be with my thoughts. I like that. But 406 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: have you ever played the Wiji board? Oh yeah, a 407 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 1: bunch of times. Oh really, okay, I've never tried it. 408 00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: Net that I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay, 409 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: but explain to me a little bit more because I'm 410 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: a little intrigued about that. Yeah. So, yeah, people are 411 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: really scared of it, and it's you shouldn't be. It's 412 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200 Speaker 1: actually funny because the wiki board, as we know it, 413 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 1: it's called out dividing board. So there were a lot 414 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: of them, a lot of models before we got to 415 00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: the well known one with the alpha bit and the 416 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: plan chet, which is a little thing that moves. So 417 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,120 Speaker 1: they had ones with the plantchett had a little pencil 418 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:08,359 Speaker 1: and it will write the words. And like in the 419 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing, families would get 420 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: together and play the Wigi board. This was not about 421 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 1: devils or demons or anything. Was talking to the dead 422 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 1: or to something that we don't know what it is 423 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 1: and getting answers. Then the church got ahold of it 424 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: and they're like, no, this is from the devil and 425 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: blah blah, and everybody started fearing it. My theory might 426 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: take on the Wigi board is that I think there's 427 00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: this whole collective consciousness around the world. We're all connected 428 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: consciously then, and you can go to the human residence, 429 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: which is this frequency that surrounds the earth that's like 430 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: seven point six and point eight hurts, which is about 431 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: the hurts we get in our brains when we're meditating. 432 00:23:49,040 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: So everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness is connected that way, 433 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 1: and not just humans, animals too. So I think the 434 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: Wigi board is just one way of connecting to the 435 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: frequency where you can get somebody's else's consciousness frequency intelligence, 436 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: and then by micro movements in our muscles, it'll start 437 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: moving the plan chet. So you use your body as 438 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: like an antenna and you're grabbing onto radio waves let's 439 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: call them that. Okay, okay, okay, So it is for 440 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,360 Speaker 1: sure from someone that has past obviously you can't, is all. 441 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: I mean. They've done experiments with rats where they'll teach 442 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: them how to navigate a maze, and then the same 443 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: species of rats like this was in Australia and the 444 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,680 Speaker 1: other sunday in the USA, and they'll learn immediately how 445 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: to navigate the mace. Once part of them know about it, 446 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: they're connected. So I think humans have the same thing. 447 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: I can't say for sure if it's dead people or 448 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,320 Speaker 1: or people that are all alive, or just the information 449 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:57,439 Speaker 1: of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that you 450 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: tap into and then re produce on the board. But 451 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,239 Speaker 1: I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But I 452 00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: do tell people when they ask me, I say two things, 453 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,959 Speaker 1: because they're always like, I want to play, but I'm curious. 454 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, first, the worst thing that could 455 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:15,760 Speaker 1: happen is that it won't move. Usually, you won't be 456 00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 1: in the mood, and it just nothing will happen. And 457 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: and the second thing is do the goodbye thing. You 458 00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: know they always tell you, like, do say goodbye. And 459 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: this is not because something bad will happen, but this 460 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 1: is because if something whatever happens the next day, you know, 461 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: your car battery runs out, you'll probably think to yourself, Oh, 462 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: that's because I didn't say goodbye on Luigi board, And 463 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: then you'll yeah, you're gonna salotaze yourself and just for 464 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: peace of mind to do it, but you don't have to. Yeah, 465 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: let's get into goes real quick. I know we talked 466 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: about them a little bit, but look at it. Okay, 467 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear. 468 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit? 469 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,920 Speaker 1: Or what do what do we call that exactly? I 470 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: mean because I know that I experienced it. I felt yeah, 471 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: and I believe you and I've I've had a bunch 472 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: of experiences, and I think we need to look at 473 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 1: them as depending on the case. If you call it 474 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: a ghost, it kinda forces you to believe that there's 475 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: life after death and then there's a person stuck between 476 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: this world and the other. So that's hard to prove, 477 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 1: but we do know that there's a bunch of different 478 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: types of paranormal activity types. For example, when things move 479 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: around the house and then glasses fly away, usually that's 480 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:42,159 Speaker 1: called a poltergeist or a noisy ghost. So polter geist 481 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 1: what's been discovered now in parapsychology. It's it's it's usually 482 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: cast by somebody in the house, and it's usually a 483 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: teenager and it's basically just telekinesis. That's it's and they 484 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,399 Speaker 1: don't know they're doing it. So let's say the hormones 485 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,239 Speaker 1: h twelve year girl with hormones gets mad at her 486 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: mom and she's like het, your mom leaves the room 487 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,719 Speaker 1: and then the plate goes flying out of the room. 488 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: Though that was the girl doing it, not a ghost. 489 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 1: And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll 490 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: move to another home and the ghost will follow them, 491 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,600 Speaker 1: quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the 492 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know 493 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:30,600 Speaker 1: or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up, 494 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: it'll just end. And and that's what happens with potogonst 495 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 1: they just stopped. Now. In your case, for example, that 496 00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 1: sounds more like what they call our residual kind of 497 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: energy or residual ghost or apparition. Because there's this theory 498 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:51,400 Speaker 1: called the stone tape theory. So energy is energy, right, 499 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: and everything around us is absorbing our thoughts and our 500 00:27:55,560 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: emotions and everything. So when I don't know the weather 501 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 1: and the atmospheric pressure and all things are perfect, this 502 00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: like a hologram of a person will appear and it 503 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: will move around the house, it'll sit on the bed. 504 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 1: It's not conscious, it's not actually thinking about what it's doing. 505 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: It's just like a recording that keeps moving around. Yeah, 506 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: and then you have the rarest kind, which is like 507 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: the intelligent kind of apparition where you can ask it 508 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:28,880 Speaker 1: like can you open the door and it will open it, 509 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: or move something and it will move it and it'll 510 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 1: actually communicating a way with you. So depending on the case, 511 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: you need to look at all of the factors around 512 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 1: it to determine what what it could be. Of course, 513 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: first you need to determine that it's not you know, 514 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: an old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but 515 00:28:46,160 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 1: like something sitting on your bed. That's that's I mean, 516 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,400 Speaker 1: that's obviously something was there, and by the looks of it, 517 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: it's kind of residual. It may be touched you because 518 00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: it's moving around. Actually, it's really coming that people start 519 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: having a hunting in their house when they remodel, because 520 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: you're moving the energy. No, not just the energy. Also 521 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: you're putting out stuff. Let's say they're are a ghost 522 00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 1: walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it, 523 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: but now there's a glass plate there, So now that 524 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: energy is gonna hit against that and you're gonna you're 525 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 1: gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you. 526 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: It's always been just moving there like a recording, but 527 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: now it has something to interact with that makes sense. 528 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:28,040 Speaker 1: So yeah, it's really interesting that the whole case in 529 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,200 Speaker 1: parapsychology and the paranormal and paran natural I think it's 530 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 1: something that science needs to look more into. Yeah, absolutely, 531 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: it makes a lot of sense. And now that we're 532 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: on this topic, before we close, what's been the craziest 533 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: thing that you've experienced? You know, something you know paranormal? Well, 534 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: super quick. It was in the middle in the middle 535 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 1: of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were in 536 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 1: a cabin and we were in the attic, me and 537 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: my friend, and you could see like just beyond the 538 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: bed and the rest was just dark, and something started 539 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: walking right in the dark, and then it started walking 540 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: towards the bed. We put the sheets on our faces. 541 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: It walked to my side of the bed and then 542 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear 543 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 1: it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so 544 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door 545 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: opens and it's my friend's dad and he's like, stopped 546 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: walking over there, You're you're not letting us sleep because 547 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,320 Speaker 1: they were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh, 548 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: ship they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining 549 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 1: these steps. That was one, but the truly creepiest one. 550 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,760 Speaker 1: We went to a house that I had an next 551 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: girlfriend who was studying psychology and the teacher rented a 552 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: house where they would do with their practices and everything, 553 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: and it was super hunted. But like good psychologists, they 554 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 1: tried to deny it, deny it until they just couldn't. 555 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,400 Speaker 1: Like doors would open, the patients were here, it, things 556 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: would disappear. It was just weird. So one day they 557 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: finally said, okay, you can come investigate, because I was like, 558 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: let me go investigate. So we were there. Nothing happens. 559 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Most of the timing goes hunting situations, nothing happens. But 560 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,200 Speaker 1: this time we were outside. We were always ready to go, 561 00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,120 Speaker 1: and we hear our rockets like something broke inside. We 562 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: run inside and there was like three doors to the 563 00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: left side of the house. There was this this hallway 564 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: and I had this like well scientific method as much 565 00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: as you can call it, that you would open a 566 00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: door and then we would close it and then check it. 567 00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: This was so because a door, an open door can 568 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: move because of air currents or something, but a closed door, 569 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: if it opens, it's harder to explain it. So we 570 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: do that. On the first door, which was a room 571 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: with more activity and nothing, take pictures. Nothing close closed, 572 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: second door, nothing close. When we were getting to the 573 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 1: third door, the knob on the first door starts moving like. 574 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: We turned around and four of us ade like until 575 00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: the door opened like somebody kicked it and slammed like 576 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: three times and stopped. We went over there. We took pictures. Yeah, 577 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,560 Speaker 1: and then wait, it gets reap here. We took pictures. 578 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080 Speaker 1: Those were the only pictures with orbs. I mean, orbs 579 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 1: can sometimes be insects, but these were weirder. So that happens. 580 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,560 Speaker 1: We were outside. We were talking about like, okay, everybody 581 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 1: tell her being exactly what you saw, and then this 582 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: was just deduction. I looked down and there was this 583 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: big tree where we would hang out, and it was dead, 584 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: and all the trees around the next properties they were alive. 585 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: And then right next to the tree there was this 586 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: big patch without grass. So I started thinking and just 587 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: you know, logical resitting, and I like, I think they 588 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 1: buried something here. They hit the roots and that killed 589 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: the tree and that's it. We went home. I told 590 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 1: my girlfriend what happened, and I told her about my 591 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: theory with the tree. Three days go by and the 592 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 1: teacher calls me, like at ten pm and she's like, 593 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: get over here. Things are just the worst. I want 594 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: you to dig. We start digging, and then I don't know, 595 00:32:56,320 --> 00:33:00,719 Speaker 1: after two ft I started getting pieces of like bad cheats. 596 00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: I remember it even had the J. C. Penny tag 597 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,080 Speaker 1: on it, and then pieces of a black plastic bag, 598 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: but the thick ones, and then like three feet in, 599 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: I pull like this much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah, 600 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: like fifteen inches long, and like my finger thick of 601 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: that clump. I pull it there and that's where the 602 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: teacher went like put that back in. Stop digging. I 603 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 1: don't want to know anything else anything, And we left 604 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 1: it like that, and that's how still there. I don't 605 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,160 Speaker 1: know if she ever called the cops. I don't know 606 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: what happened, but that was That story is still with 607 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:49,880 Speaker 1: me till this day. That's crazy because you're you know, 608 00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: I guess as we know. I don't know. I mean, 609 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: I haven't had an experience in a while, but I 610 00:33:54,480 --> 00:34:04,040 Speaker 1: was just curious. Yeah, but there is something A friend 611 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:05,720 Speaker 1: of mine wanted me to do it with her, I 612 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: believe we were in duloom a yahuasca. Yahuasca, I've never 613 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: tried it. I'm kind of curious, to be honest, But 614 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,359 Speaker 1: what happens when you do that? Do you know about that? Yes, 615 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,080 Speaker 1: I've done it four times. Oh nice, okay, perfect, okay, 616 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,160 Speaker 1: so tell me. Yeah, So a yahuasca is really cool. 617 00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:27,439 Speaker 1: What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main, 618 00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,560 Speaker 1: the active ingredient is DMPT, So our brain produces d 619 00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 1: MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes that tiny 620 00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: bit of DMPT. And what they say is that when 621 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,000 Speaker 1: you we're born and you you cry in the first 622 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: time you were awake after the womb, that's like the 623 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: brain shoots you up with DMPT, and they believe that's 624 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots 625 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: you up with d MT and sends you into an 626 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:57,760 Speaker 1: eternal dream. So with a yaguasca, you get this shot 627 00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: of DMT, which basic clean makes your brain see the 628 00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: matrix that makes the universe. You see the sales and plants, 629 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: you see things reading, you understand yourself. You can go 630 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,480 Speaker 1: inside yourself and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and 631 00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:19,839 Speaker 1: just become one with the universe because you're during this 632 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,440 Speaker 1: dream state, but you're awake. What I do really recommend 633 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 1: if anybody wants to try it, is they do it 634 00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: in a safe space with as few people as possible 635 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:33,399 Speaker 1: and with somebody that knows what he's doing so they 636 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: can guide you. And you will throw up. I know, 637 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,240 Speaker 1: I heard about that. My friends said she threw up horribly, 638 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,360 Speaker 1: but then the days after she felt better, she felt lighter. 639 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: Like in one session a girl had just lost her 640 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: father and in one session she she was crying for 641 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: hours and then laughing and everything, and she was done. 642 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: She just finally she let go. She was mourning for 643 00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,759 Speaker 1: like nine months, and with one session she was able 644 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: to let go. Oh wow, thank you so much for 645 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,080 Speaker 1: being on the podcast. I learned so much. Again, I 646 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,680 Speaker 1: apologize for all my questions, but thank you for answering them. 647 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:12,520 Speaker 1: You were awesome. And before you go, please share your 648 00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: socials your podcast. Tell people anything and everything you want 649 00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: them to known. Thanks. So you can find me or 650 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 1: like and you can listen to Legendar Legend Darius on 651 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: any podcast place that you hear a podcast also YouTube, 652 00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: and the first season is done. 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