1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: I grew up with no, ghosts don't exist, that's all 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: in your head. But I've experienced certain things where I'm like, wait, 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy. I know that I'm feeling something, I'm 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: hearing something. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 2: Magic is something very simple, is that your will becomes reality. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:19,599 Speaker 2: If your will is to do harm, that's what you 7 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,760 Speaker 2: would call black magic, but technically it's just magic. 8 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: What's been the craziest thing that you've experienced? 9 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 3: Something you know? Paranormala. 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, hello, and welcome to Cheeky's and Chill. 11 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: It's your girl, Cheeky's and Them. Do we have an 12 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:47,599 Speaker 1: episode for you today? It's about all things paranormal. I'm 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 1: talking about ghosts, magic and everything in between. So why wait, 14 00:00:51,440 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: let's get into it. This is Cheeky's and Chill. My 15 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: guest today is Jose Antonio Badiya. He's a comedian influencer 16 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 1: and the host of two very popular podcasts, Learias and 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: Iscuela Secreta, which is part of my family. I can 18 00:01:15,720 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: go on and on about how great these two podcasts are, 19 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 1: but let's introduce our guests. 20 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 3: Jose Antonio, Welcome to Chiky's and Chill. 21 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 5: How are you going with Stas I'm great, so excited 22 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 5: to be here. Thank you for having me. 23 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 3: Of course, I'm so excited to talk to you. Have 24 00:01:30,600 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: so many questions. 25 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so so just FYI, Hi you also Conteston. Okay, perfect, awesome. 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: So first of all, tell me about your podcasts. 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 2: Of course, well, leond know, the Candarias was a little 28 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: side project we started about true crime, the paranormal, and 29 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 2: uh well just strange history, but with comedy, you know, 30 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: because we're all comedians. On my part, I wanted to 31 00:01:55,320 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 2: do all of these things, but with good research because 32 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: in Mexico, you know, like everything about like your own 33 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 2: now or scary stuff. They always trying to scare you, 34 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 2: like oh it's Tavi and Mal and I wanted to 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 2: do this, like it seriously as in the where the 36 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:13,839 Speaker 2: research comes in, but have fun with it and joke 37 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:16,399 Speaker 2: about it and to crime and you know, make fun 38 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 2: of the serial killers because I think that's important that 39 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 2: we put them down because sometimes they become like heroes. 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: And I speak a lot about magic and like chaos magic. 41 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:30,239 Speaker 2: So from there people wanted to know more, right, so 42 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 2: I came up with another podcast called School a secreta or. 43 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:35,560 Speaker 5: The Secret School. So the Secret Schools there. 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 2: They are really old schools from you know, thousands of 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 2: years ago, where they would teach you about the occult 46 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 2: and the esoteric science and all of this stuff. And 47 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 2: so what I did is from Legenda's I did this 48 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 2: little podcast for everybody that was interested in just the 49 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: magic part and everything. And that's why I went full in, 50 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: you know, into magic, what it is, what it actually is, 51 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:04,440 Speaker 2: and rational satan, some witchcraft and just the left hand Path, 52 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: all of these things that people because of fear and 53 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 2: folklore and everything, they get it wrong, yes, and they're 54 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 2: scared of it when all of these things are made 55 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 2: to enlighten us and to make us better persons inside, right. 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 3: I like that word enlighten us. But okay, it's absolutely true. 57 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 1: I grew up with you know, no, ghosts don't exist, 58 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:26,960 Speaker 1: that's all in your head. But I've experienced certain things 59 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: where I'm like, wait, I'm not crazy. I know that 60 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm feeling something, I'm hearing something, and then they want 61 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: to get scared about it, and I don't feel like 62 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm scared. 63 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, okay, it's okay. 64 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:38,440 Speaker 1: Like sometimes in my old house when we lived the 65 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: Inland Empire, I would hear things in my room. 66 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 3: My door would open. 67 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: The door was super heavy, there was no wind, so 68 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: it would just open at night and it would make 69 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: that little screechy noise like right, And then I would 70 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 1: tell my mom like, mom, my door opens in the 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: middle of the night. 72 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: She's like, no, that Loka, You're crazy. There's no way. 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 3: I was like, okay. 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: And then one night I was laying in bed, Oh, wake, okay, 75 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: completely awake. I was on the phone huro, and on 76 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: my left leg I felt someone like you know how, 77 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: like when someone gets on the bed, it sinks, the 78 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: bed sinks. 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 3: So that happened in my footwet. 80 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: I felt it like they were crawling on my bed 81 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: and I was like, I yelled, and I was like, mom, 82 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: something's going on again. You're crazy. That's all in your mind. 83 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,360 Speaker 1: It's your conscience. She told me, I'll never forget. It's 84 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:31,159 Speaker 1: h exactly, and I was like, mom, No. Then one 85 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: time I was asleep, this is a true story. I 86 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: was asleep and in the same room I hear like 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: a little I felt it on my right and I 88 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: heard it and it woke me up and I was like, 89 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: what the f told my mom again lo mismo, but 90 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:50,760 Speaker 1: literally a week later, a lady from across the street 91 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: came over. We had moved into the house, like I 92 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 1: don't know, like six months before, and she said, how, 93 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: I just want to introduce myself. I see you guys 94 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: moved in. Do you guys know the history about the house. 95 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: And I'm like, know what history. She's like, oh, well, 96 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: actually the person that owned this house, that built this 97 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 1: house years ago, he actually committed suicide. And I'm like, 98 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: no way. They're like, oh, they didn't disclose that information 99 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to you. I'm like, no, because there's supposed to. They're 100 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: supposed to tell you what happened. 101 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 5: No, and they depending on the state. 102 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 1: Depending on the Yeah, depending on the state too, so 103 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 1: they didn't. And anyways, she told me that it was 104 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: in my bedroom, that he committed suicide in my bedroom. 105 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 3: So I was like, mom, say, I'm not crazy. So yeah, 106 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: So anyways, that's just my little story. But I believe it. 107 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 5: That's a residual thing. 108 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 2: And exactly that's why I tell people all the time, 109 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 2: like the phenomena is real. I'm adamant about this. It's real, 110 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 2: but we just don't understand it. So we've tried to 111 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: explain it with religion and fear and folklore instead of 112 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: trying to look at it from a scientific point. So 113 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: I think we should look at this phenomenon as, yeah, 114 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: it exists. It's happened to me too, Like I something 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 2: pulled my leg in bed. Yeah, something pulled my leg. 116 00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: I woke up and my leg was up in the 117 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 2: air and I couldn't move. And I know they say 118 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 2: like in let see h and science says like it's 119 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,160 Speaker 2: because your brain woke up but your body didn't. 120 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 5: And that's like, well, that's maybe why you can't move. 121 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 2: But how can you explain my dog going crazy barking 122 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 2: at something that was there? And my dog was like 123 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 2: super calm, Corky never did that. She was on my 124 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 2: chest and then like jumping around the bed like something 125 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: was trying to grab her. And then for days after that, 126 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: she wouldn't go near the closet because I heard it 127 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,640 Speaker 2: like come down. I couldn't see it. I just felt it. 128 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 2: And my dog followed it too, and it went into 129 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: the closet, and for days my dog would not go 130 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 2: near the closet. So, no mind, how can you explain 131 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 2: that something happened there? Yes, And that's a big the 132 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: big conundrum with paranormal stuff. If the proof is really good, 133 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 2: people are going to say it's fake. If the proof 134 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 2: is not good enough, they're gonna say, why don't you 135 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 2: have a good camera. Unless somebody experiences something for themselves, 136 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: you will not be able to convince them if they 137 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 2: don't want to. But us that has had things happen 138 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 2: to them, we know without a doubt that the phenomena 139 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: is real. 140 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 3: Absolutely. 141 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: And because of that experience, is that why you got 142 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: into the paranormal or was it something before? 143 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 5: Oh? 144 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: I was born with it, since I was a kid, 145 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 2: Like in kindergarten they made us make some drawings and 146 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 2: the teacher's like, what's that? And that's a purple monster. 147 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 2: My mom has no idea where I got the word 148 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 2: monster from why I was drawing monsters? And I think, oh, 149 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: And I've always had an obsession with the paranormal and 150 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: the supernatural and all of this. And then as I 151 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: got older, I started getting into weika and magic. My 152 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 2: master's degree was in creative sciences and how to use 153 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: the occult as a creative process, so I got even 154 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,640 Speaker 2: deeper into the actual teachings of theThe techs. So I've 155 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: been doing this for like twenty five years and now 156 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: is I've started to talk about that and everything I've 157 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: learned on this podcast, so people will stop fearing it 158 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 2: and start looking at it more as how it should 159 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 2: be seen. The esoteric arts and the occult arts are 160 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: trying to explain the world that science is just barely 161 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 2: trying to touch. 162 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 5: Like quantum physics. 163 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: This has been described with other words, of course, since 164 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: thousands of years ago in esoteric texts. 165 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 5: They just have other words for it. 166 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 2: And now how consciousness effects you know, the quantum molecules 167 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: and everything, entanglement, all of these things. So science is 168 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 2: just catching up, proving it, putting words in it. But 169 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 2: we know all of this is true. 170 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: Ya tell me about magic? How does that work? 171 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 5: Magic? 172 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 2: It it's like one, it's the same. It's your will 173 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 2: becoming reality. And then there's a lot of schools of magic. 174 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 2: There's like hermetic magic, which is incredibly hard, and it's 175 00:08:44,120 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: a classic TV trope magic with the robes and the 176 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: silver daggers and these people chanting and everything. So that's 177 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 2: one way. Then there's chaos magic, which is what I 178 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 2: practice the most, which is basically punk magic or pop magic. 179 00:08:59,080 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 5: Okay, here's the thing. So It doesn't matter. 180 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 2: If it's voodoo or voodoo or hermetic or everything. Every 181 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: single school of magic is looking for one thing, which 182 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 2: is called noses. Okay, So noses is a state of 183 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: mind where you're not asleep and you're not awake, like 184 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 2: if you wake up in the middle of the night, 185 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: and sometimes you'll even get up, go to the bathroom 186 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 2: and drink some water, go to sleep, and then you 187 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 2: don't even remember if you did it or not. That's 188 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: the state of noses. So every school of magic finds 189 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 2: a way to get you to that point because that's 190 00:09:31,600 --> 00:09:36,040 Speaker 2: where then your will can go over your ego, because 191 00:09:36,040 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 2: our ego is a pragmatic, dogmatic, materialistic part. Right, that'll 192 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 2: go like it's not going to happen. But if you're 193 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: in that state, you can just project that onto the 194 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 2: universe and then it might happen. It might not, and 195 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,319 Speaker 2: it does not go against the rules of physics and 196 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 2: its probabilities. 197 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 5: Let's say you want to win the lottery, but you 198 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 5: don't buy a ticket. 199 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: So what we need to happen is somebody you would 200 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,319 Speaker 2: have to buy a winning lottery ticket then lose it, 201 00:10:01,840 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 2: and then the air is going to have to push 202 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,439 Speaker 2: it to where you are. The odds of that happening 203 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 2: are astronomy, so you need to work halfway. 204 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:17,439 Speaker 5: Towards your goal. Yes, okay, and then everything will match up. 205 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 5: That's how it works. I would really recommend like we goat. 206 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: It's a really good practice because it's really spiritual, or 207 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: just goes straight to chaos magic, which is basically Robert 208 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 2: Anton Wilson. He's the one that figured out like, it 209 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're praying to God or Batman or Vishnu. 210 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 2: What matters is that you believe. 211 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 1: Yes. 212 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:37,760 Speaker 3: Faith is yes. 213 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 2: So when you pray to like, I don't know our 214 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,920 Speaker 2: kangel Michael, what you're praying to is what he represents. 215 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: So if I don't know, you're scared of public speaking, 216 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 2: you can pray to the Joker or Loki because they 217 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: represent somebody that wouldn't be afraid of public speaking. 218 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 5: Right. 219 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: That's how belief works. So in magic and in chaos magic, 220 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 2: it's just about belief. Just believe that can happen, and 221 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,600 Speaker 2: it teaches you a really simple method which is called 222 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 2: sigils sigil magic, where you turn a phrase. Let's say 223 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 2: I want to have a Corgi. This is actually how 224 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: I got my Corgi with magic. I found it on 225 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:15,320 Speaker 2: the street and I adopted it. Yeah, and so you 226 00:11:15,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 2: transform your phrase into a symbol, and then with noses 227 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: you just put it in your brain and then you 228 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 2: forget about it and then. 229 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 5: It happens, and sometimes it doesn't. 230 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: And when it doesn't happen, you think about why it 231 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: didn't happen, because sometimes what you want is not what 232 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 2: you need. 233 00:11:33,120 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 5: Yes. 234 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: For example, I did a lot of spells because I 235 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 2: wanted a tenure and I teached university for seven years 236 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: and I wanted ten here and I was like, this 237 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 2: is what I want. I'll have a steady job, steady 238 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 2: income and everything. And I didn't get the job. Had 239 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 2: I gotten the job, I wouldn't have a podcast and 240 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,680 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be doing exactly what I love. And that's 241 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,720 Speaker 2: why it didn't happen. 242 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 5: Yes, magical thoughts. 243 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 2: Right of fortune is always turning, So when you're down 244 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 2: you need to learn. When you're up, you need to 245 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 2: be happy, and you know, give that happiness to everybody else. 246 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 5: And it's always turning. So this is what magic teaches you. 247 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: But if they want to start, I would say weka, 248 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: or just go straight to chaos magic. I mean, you 249 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: can find the chaos magic books online and start doing 250 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 2: siezuals and then for noses in chaos magic is the orgasm. 251 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 2: That's the main way humans. We have it in us 252 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 2: to have that little blink into noses, into the universe. 253 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 2: That's why we feel like, oh, we understand that everything's 254 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 2: going to be fine. So in that moment, you can 255 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 2: skip the two hours of meditation or of chanting to 256 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 2: Hutulu the god, and just go straight to an orgasm 257 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 2: with your symbol and you're done. 258 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 3: Okay, what's weika again? 259 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,240 Speaker 2: Weika is the It's basically like a more modern take 260 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: on witchcraft. So it started in the UK. Weeka is 261 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: a form of paganism religion or way of life. 262 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 5: So it's very weakened. It's very witch graffiti. 263 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: You know, you go to the forest or the outside, 264 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: it's Mother Earth, it's the nature's spirits, the fay and 265 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: you know, just being one with nature. 266 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 3: Ooh, I like that. 267 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: You say we shouldn't be scared, you know, for the listeners, 268 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: here tell us why, because in my mind I feel like, 269 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 1: come existell awenolo. There's black magic and white magic. It 270 00:13:32,640 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: just depends on your intention. 271 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's actually there's just magic. It's a tool, just 272 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 2: like there's no good knives and bad knives. A knife 273 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 2: is a knife and depends i'm the user. 274 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 3: Oh that's a good way to look at it. 275 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 5: Okay. 276 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 2: You can cook food or commit a crime and it 277 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 2: magic is the same thing. Magic is a tool. Magic 278 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 2: is it's something very simple. Is that your will becomes reality. 279 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 5: That's it. 280 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 2: So if your will is to do harm, that's what 281 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: you would call But technically it's just magic. 282 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 3: I see. 283 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: Okay, So for instance, let's just put this, you know, 284 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: because I love to light candles and stuff like that. 285 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: So I feel like when I light a candle, I 286 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: put good intentions. You know, I speak to the universe, 287 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: I speak to God, and like put all my intention 288 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: into this candle that the same person or another person 289 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: can get the same candle and maldiicira. 290 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 3: You know. 291 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what magic teaches us. We create the world 292 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 2: around us. It starts in here in our brain, and 293 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 2: then we manipulate it with words. What we are doing 294 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:35,200 Speaker 2: right now, it's magic ideas. I'm putting them into words. 295 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 2: I'm moving the airwaves they're getting into a microphone, and 296 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: I'm putting my ideas into your head. That's magic. That's 297 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 2: why every like magic ra and everything. There's words and 298 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:47,479 Speaker 2: there's rhymes and there's poetry. 299 00:14:47,800 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: Right. You know, as I'm having this conversation, I'm learning 300 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: so much. I mean, things that I feel like I've 301 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: known intuitively, but I just don't know how to put 302 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,120 Speaker 1: it in words like you do. 303 00:14:57,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Because I have a. 304 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: Vision board and I believe so much envision boards, and 305 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: I feel like it's just I say it like it's 306 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: like magic. It happens like you just said, it's believing it, 307 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,000 Speaker 1: having faith and doing something every single day to make 308 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: that a possibility and not just sit there and be 309 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: like you know what I. 310 00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: Mean, like everybody would have a ferrarilia. 311 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:20,720 Speaker 3: You know these are. 312 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, and what you're saying is completely true. It's hardwire 313 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 5: into us. 314 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 2: Like the First Cave paintings, they were not just to 315 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: you know, remember the hunt. They were painting a scene 316 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 2: that they wanted to happen. So before going out, they 317 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: would paint the mammot or the prey. They would pay 318 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: themselves doing a successful hunt, and it was their way 319 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: of projecting that into the universe. Then they would go out, 320 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: so they were see jewels. And then when we were kids, 321 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 2: when you write the name of the person you like 322 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: and then your name or their name a bunch of 323 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: times and hearts you're doing, it's seegil magic. 324 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 5: You're trying to invest. 325 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 2: Even if nobody has ever told you about this, it's 326 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 2: hardwired into it. 327 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: Crazy, okay. 328 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: And what do you tell people that don't believe, Like, 329 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: have you ever gotten someone that? Like? 330 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 3: What do you tell people all the time? 331 00:16:14,040 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 2: And I tell them like, I can't convince you, But 332 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 2: as an example, I always use my because now I 333 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 2: have a second Corgi. 334 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 5: My first Corgie passed away like two. 335 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 2: Years ago, and then I made a schedule and I 336 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 2: got another Corgi adopted. And so I always tell people, like, 337 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: just explain the odds of me in sula quares where 338 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 2: there's like, I don't know, twenty corgis in the whole city, 339 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 2: uh huh, of me getting two of them adopted. And 340 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 2: even if you don't believe it was with magic, I 341 00:16:41,960 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 2: made magic and I got what I wanted. So what's 342 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: the difference if you're saying, like, oh, it's just good 343 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 2: luck or it's probability, and like that's exactly what magic 344 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: is probability, and I choose to look at this as 345 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 2: a magical aspect of something I did. And what I 346 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 2: tell people is, even if you don't believe in it, 347 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: at least try to have like a magical brain. 348 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 5: Magic is everywhere. 349 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: Wonder at eclipses, or how plants grow, at the little 350 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: coincidences in life. If you can always look at that 351 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,919 Speaker 2: with wonder, you will always have an open mind, an 352 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 2: open brain. You'll be happier, you'll be more empathetic for 353 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: other people. 354 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: Now, do you feel that magic is somewhat similar to 355 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: religion or I feel like they kind of intertwine in 356 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 1: a way. 357 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 2: No. Well, religion has magical attributes and rituals like, for example, 358 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: the it or in church like repeating the Psalms over 359 00:17:42,400 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 2: and over. Those are pagan magical practices used to change 360 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 2: the brain. But in religion they use it towards a 361 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: god or one thing. In magic, you're the one doing 362 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 2: the thing. There are no gods that are that gave 363 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 2: you something or did not give you anything. It's you 364 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 2: and the universe, okay, and whatever you do is on you, 365 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:08,919 Speaker 2: and whatever doesn't happen, it just didn't happen. You're responsible 366 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 2: for everything. So that's the main difference. Like even in 367 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: Wika they believe in the goddess. There's energy and everything 368 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 2: has a male or female energy, and it's not about 369 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 2: the man and women. 370 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 5: It's just opposites. 371 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: Everything's black, white, fire, darkness, and all of these energies 372 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: are there and you interact with them, but they won't 373 00:18:29,359 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 2: judge you. They will not send you to hell, and 374 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 2: you can ask for a favor, but it's so you 375 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,159 Speaker 2: can help yourself. Like what I was telling you, a 376 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: joker or the archangel Michael. Yeah, they're just figures. So 377 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 2: it's not really a religion in the sense that there's 378 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: a God and there's all these rules and if you 379 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: break them, he's gonna punish you, right, I know. 380 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: And that's what I feel like religion has done, or 381 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: what my personal experience is instill so much fear that 382 00:18:54,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: you just it's hard for you to even grow to 383 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: your full potential because you're so damn scared, you know 384 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: what I mean. But now that you're talking about I'm like, okay, 385 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 1: Like I've seen a lot of people have their suritas, 386 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 1: you know, and like what you're talking about archangel Michael 387 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: and stuff, it'ssent that Saint judas you guys. It represents money, no, 388 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:15,159 Speaker 1: like abundance and prosperity. So it's kind of like what 389 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 1: you believe in. It's without you even knowing. It's not 390 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: really the statue that you may have is kind of 391 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,760 Speaker 1: what I'm taking right now. It's you putting in that 392 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: intention of MEI vien in mineosio, I'm going to do well, 393 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: and you're calling that you're actually creating the magic yourself. Anyways, 394 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:36,400 Speaker 1: I have another question exorcisms. What do you think about that? 395 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,959 Speaker 2: Okay, so exorcisms are weird. First of all, there's no 396 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 2: really good documented case of an exorcistem that wasn't just 397 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 2: a mental health issue that was handled horribly because they 398 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 2: a lot of them have ended in death. And you know, 399 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: like that, we talked about a lot of exorcism cases 400 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 2: and they can all be explained with just folklore and 401 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 2: religious people going into the exorcism instead of going to a. 402 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 5: Doctor or a psychiatrist. 403 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 2: So I do think some people sometimes feel like they're 404 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 2: not in control. I do not believe like it's demons, 405 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 2: because if we talk about demons with exorcisms, then we 406 00:20:20,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 2: must assume there's only the Christian God and his demon, right, 407 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 2: because you have exorcisms in other cultures, but they're not demons. 408 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 2: Sometimes there are evil spirits or their gin, or they're 409 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 2: just bad frequencies. The one thing that bugs me is 410 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: if there was really proof of an exorcism, the church 411 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: should just make a video of that and then show 412 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:46,919 Speaker 2: it to people, and that would get everybody converted and 413 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: prove that they are the one true religion, right, and 414 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 2: any real religion could do this, because that would make 415 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 2: people believe, and they've never done this. 416 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 5: I know people have. 417 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,920 Speaker 2: Felt they're possessed or they act differently, but I think 418 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,160 Speaker 2: it's more mental health health until I see a further 419 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: proof mm. 420 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:05,880 Speaker 1: Hmm, all right, yeah, Because I mean I'm telling you 421 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,440 Speaker 1: my family's Christian, and I don't consider myself Christian. I 422 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 1: respect our religions, you know, so in my sage spiritual, 423 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,680 Speaker 1: you know. But I do feel like it's it's therapy 424 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: and meditation and prayer and doing something every single day 425 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:20,680 Speaker 1: for your mental health will prevent a lot of things. 426 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,280 Speaker 1: And I feel like I've proven it myself because I once, 427 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: like I don't know, like in two thousand and nine, 428 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: I felt like something evil was I didn't know how 429 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: else to explain it because I was just barely being 430 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: like enlightened with my spirituality, and I just said, well, 431 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 1: I feel like something evil is lurking in my body, 432 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,640 Speaker 1: like something's going on. That's when I came Someone told 433 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:40,680 Speaker 1: me you should meditate, and I looked into it and everything, 434 00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 1: and ever since I've done that, I feel like, Oh, 435 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,440 Speaker 1: it's all starts in the mind. It starts with one 436 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: thought and it just starts growing and growing. It's a 437 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 1: snowball effect and you just have to unwind that. And 438 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,879 Speaker 1: really you said, like unwind your body and your mind 439 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: every single day, and for me, it's helped so much. 440 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 2: Total menech, Well, I do the same, Like every morning, 441 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 2: I grab a glass of water when I wake up, 442 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: and I go it outside and I just drink my 443 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,720 Speaker 2: glass of water without cell phones, nothing, just me and 444 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 2: my thoughts, yes alone. 445 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 5: And that's I think that's enough. 446 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: If people don't want to spend like fifteen minutes to 447 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 2: meditate for fifteen minutes, just try that. 448 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: Do I like that, because you'll sit the me and 449 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: I have my water every morning and that's the first 450 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,560 Speaker 1: hour of my morning, nothing but water. And I feel 451 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: like I'm just kind of watering my plant, which is me, 452 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: so I can grow. And sometimes it is harder to meditate. 453 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: The another day, sometimes I can concentrate. So I'm going 454 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:31,399 Speaker 1: to try that to just go outside and. 455 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:32,399 Speaker 3: Be with my thoughts. 456 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 5: I like that. 457 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 3: But have you ever played the Ouiji board? 458 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 2: Oh? 459 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, a bunch of times. 460 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,119 Speaker 1: Oh really, Okay, I've never tried it, so dois neta? 461 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:42,879 Speaker 1: I get a little bit scared. I'm like, okay, but 462 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 1: explain to me a little bit more because I'm a 463 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: little intrigued about that. 464 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 5: Yeah. 465 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 2: So yeah, people are really scared of it, and it's 466 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: you shouldn't be. It's actually funny because the wiki board 467 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: as we know it, it's called out the vining board. 468 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 2: So there were a lot of them, a lot of 469 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 2: models before we got to the well known one with 470 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,160 Speaker 2: the alpha and the planchette, which is a little thing 471 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 2: that moves. So they had ones with the planchet had 472 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: a little pencil and it will write the words. And 473 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 2: like in the eighteenth century, when spiritualism was a thing, 474 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 2: families would get together and play the Wigi board. This 475 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 2: was not about devils or demons or they was talking 476 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: to the dead or to something that we don't know 477 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 2: what it is and getting answers. 478 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: Oh, I see. 479 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 2: Then the church got a hold of it and they're like, no, 480 00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 2: this is from the devil and blah blah, and. 481 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 5: Everybody started fearing it. 482 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 2: My theory, my take on the Wiji board is that 483 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 2: I think there's this whole collective consciousness around the world. 484 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 2: We're all connected consciously, and you can go to the 485 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 2: Shuman resonance, which is this frequency that surrounds the earth 486 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:45,120 Speaker 2: that's like seven point six seven point eight herds, which 487 00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 2: is about the hurts we get in our brains when 488 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 2: we're meditating. Okay, yes, so everybody's thoughts ideas our consciousness 489 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,360 Speaker 2: is connected that way, and not just humans, animals too. 490 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: So I think the Wigi board is just one way 491 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: of connecting to the frequency where you can get somebody 492 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:09,119 Speaker 2: else's consciousness frequency intelligence, and then by micro movements in 493 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:12,679 Speaker 2: our muscles, it'll start moving the plant chet. So you 494 00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,120 Speaker 2: use your body as like an antenna and you're grabbing 495 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 2: onto radio waves. 496 00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: Let's call him that, okay, Okay, okay, So it is 497 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:23,120 Speaker 1: for sure from someone that has passed obviously you can't. 498 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: Ya, No, I mean they've done experiments with rats where 499 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 2: they'll teach them how to navigate a maze, and then 500 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 2: the same species of rats like this was in Australia 501 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 2: and the others in the USA, and they'll learn immediately 502 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,560 Speaker 2: how to navigate the maze. Once part of them know 503 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 2: about it, they're connected. So I think humans have the 504 00:24:46,119 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 2: same thing. I can't say for sure if it's dead 505 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 2: people or or people that are alive, or just the 506 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 2: information of centuries of human consciousness and animal consciousness that 507 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 2: you tap into and then re produce on the board. 508 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 2: But I am sure there's nothing evil about it. But 509 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 2: I do tell people when they ask me, I say 510 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,200 Speaker 2: two things because they're always like, I want to play, 511 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 2: but I'm curious. I'm just like, look, First, the worst 512 00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: thing that could happen is that it won't move. Usually 513 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,120 Speaker 2: you won't be in the mood and it just nothing 514 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: will happen. And second thing is do the good bye thing. 515 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: You know they always tell you, like, dude, say goodbye. 516 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,199 Speaker 2: And this is not because something bad will happen, but 517 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: this is because if something whatever happens the next day, 518 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 2: you know, your car battery runs out, you'll probably think 519 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,480 Speaker 2: to yourself, oh, that's because I didn't say goodbye on 520 00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 2: the Wiji board and then you'll all, yeah, you're gonna 521 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 2: sabotage yourself and just for peace of mind to do it, 522 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 2: but you don't have to. 523 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's get into ghost real quick. I know we 524 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,040 Speaker 1: talked about them a little bit, but'll look at it. 525 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 5: Okay. 526 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: I thought on my bed and was breathing in my ear. 527 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,600 Speaker 1: Is that a quote unquote ghost or is that a spirit? 528 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: Or what do we call that exactly? I mean, because 529 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 1: I know that I experienced it. I felt it on. 530 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, and I believe you and I've I've had 531 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 2: a bunch of experiences, and I think we need to 532 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: look at them as depending on the case. If you 533 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: call it a ghost, it kind of forces you to 534 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 2: believe that there's life after death and then that there's 535 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,160 Speaker 2: a person stuck between this world and the other. 536 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:29,440 Speaker 5: So that's hard to prove. But we do know that there's. 537 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 2: A bunch of different types of paranormal activity types. For example, 538 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 2: when things move around the house and then glasses fly away, 539 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 2: usually that's called a polter geist or a noisy ghost, 540 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 2: So poulter geist. What's been discovered till now in parapsychology 541 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,280 Speaker 2: is it's usually caused by somebody in the house, and 542 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:54,840 Speaker 2: it's usually a teenager okay, okay, and it's basically just telekinesis. 543 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 2: That's repeat it and they don't know they're doing it. 544 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 2: So let's say the hormones. Twelve year old girl with 545 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,640 Speaker 2: hormones gets mad at her mom. She's like, I hate you, mom, 546 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 2: leaves the room, and then the plate goes lying out 547 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:09,959 Speaker 2: the Roomdow. 548 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 5: That was the girl doing it, not a ghost. 549 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 2: And that's why usually in that kind of situation, they'll 550 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,360 Speaker 2: move to another home and the ghost will follow them. 551 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 2: Quote unquote, it's not the ghost following them, it's the 552 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 2: kid still has this telekinesis said that she doesn't know 553 00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:30,640 Speaker 2: or he doesn't know about it, and when they grow up, 554 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,360 Speaker 2: it'll just end. 555 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: And that's what happens with s polter guys, they just stop. 556 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,879 Speaker 2: That makes sense now in your case, for example, that 557 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 2: sounds more like what they call our residual kind of 558 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: energy or residual ghost or apparition, because there's this theory 559 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 2: called the stone tape theory. 560 00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 5: So energy is energy, right, and everything around. 561 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: Us is absorbing our thoughts and our emotions and everything. 562 00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: So when I don't know the weather and the atmospheric 563 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: pressure and all things are perfect. This like a hologram 564 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 2: of a person will appear and it'll move around the house, 565 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 2: it'll sit on the bed. It's not conscious, it's not 566 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: actually thinking about what it's doing. It's just like a recording. 567 00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 5: Oh okay, that keeps moving around. Yeah. 568 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: And then you have the rarest kind, which is like 569 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: the intelligent kind of apparition, where you can ask it 570 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 2: like can you open the door, and it'll open it, 571 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 2: or move something, and it'll move it and it'll actually 572 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 2: communicate in a way with you. So, depending on the case, 573 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: you need to look at all of the factors around 574 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,520 Speaker 2: it to determine what it could be. Of course, first 575 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 2: you need to determine that it's not you know, an 576 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: old pipe or a mouse in the wall, but like 577 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 2: something sitting on your bed. That's I mean that obviously 578 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 2: something was there and by the looks of it, it's 579 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:57,040 Speaker 2: kind of residual. It maybe touched you because it's moving around. Actually, 580 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: it's really coming that people start having a hunting in 581 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: their house when they remodel. 582 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 3: Because you're moving the energy, you know, not just the energy. 583 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,920 Speaker 2: Also you're putting now stuff let's say there a ghost 584 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: walk through part of the house. You've never even noticed it. Yeah, 585 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 2: but now there's a glass plate there. Oh okay, so 586 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 2: now that energy is gonna hit against that and Gona, 587 00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:19,920 Speaker 2: you're gonna hear it. And it's not that it's hunting you. 588 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 2: It's always been just moving there like a recording. But 589 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 2: now it has something to interact with that makes sense. 590 00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 2: So it's really interesting that the whole case in parapsychology 591 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: and the paranormal and paranatural I think it's something that 592 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 2: science needs to look more into. 593 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, it makes a lot of sense. And now 594 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,239 Speaker 1: that we're on this topic, before we close, what's been 595 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: the craziest thing that you've experienced? 596 00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: You know something you know paranormal? 597 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 2: Well, super quick. I was in the middle in the 598 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 2: middle of the forest here in Chihuahua, and we were 599 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 2: in a cabin and we were in the attic, me 600 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: and my friend, and you could see like just beyond 601 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: the bed and the rest was just dark, and something 602 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 2: started walking right in the dark and then started walking 603 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 2: toward the bed. We put the sheets on our faces. 604 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: It walked to my side of the bed and then 605 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 2: to my friend's side of the bed. We could hear 606 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: it perfectly, and then we were laughing. We were so 607 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: scared that we were laughing. And then the attic door 608 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 2: opens and it's my friends dad and he's like, stop 609 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 2: walking over there. You're not letting us sleep because they 610 00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 2: were sleeping on the house and we were like, oh shit, 611 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:30,600 Speaker 2: they heard it too. It wasn't just us imagining these steps. 612 00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 2: That was one, but the truly creepiest one. We went 613 00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: to a house that I had an next girlfriend who 614 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 2: was studying psychology, and the teacher rented a house where 615 00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: they would do their practices and everything, and it was 616 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 2: super hunted. But like good psychologists, they tried to deny it, 617 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 2: deny it until they just couldn't. Like doors would open, 618 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 2: the patients were hearing, things would disappear. 619 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:53,800 Speaker 5: It was just weird. 620 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:57,520 Speaker 2: So one day they finally said, okay, you can come investigate, 621 00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 2: because I was like, let me go investigate. 622 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 5: We were there. 623 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,800 Speaker 2: Nothing happens most of the time, and goes hunting situations, 624 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: nothing happens. But this time we were outside. We were 625 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 2: always ready to go, and we hear our rockets like 626 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 2: something broke inside. We run inside and there was like 627 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 2: three doors to the left side of the house, there 628 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:20,360 Speaker 2: was this hallway and I had this like well scientific 629 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 2: method as much as we can call it, that you 630 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 2: would open a door and then we would close it 631 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,440 Speaker 2: and then check it. This was so because a door, 632 00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,479 Speaker 2: an open door, can move because of air currents or something, 633 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,920 Speaker 2: but a closed door, if it opens, it's harder to 634 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 2: explain it. So we do that on the first door, 635 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 2: which was a room with more activity and nothing, take pictures. 636 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,600 Speaker 2: Nothing close, closed, second door, nothing closed. When we would 637 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 2: getting too the third door, the knob on the first 638 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: door starts moving like. We turn around and four of 639 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 2: us saw it like until the door opened, like somebody 640 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 2: kicked it and slammed like three times and stopped. We 641 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 2: went over there. We took pictures. Yeah, and then wait 642 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 2: it gets we took pictures. Those were the only pictures 643 00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 2: with orbs. I mean, orbs can sometimes be insects, but 644 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 2: these were weird. So that happens. We were outside. We 645 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,760 Speaker 2: were talking about like, okay, everybody, tell me exactly what 646 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 2: you saw, and then this was just deduction. I looked 647 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 2: down and there was this big tree where we would 648 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 2: hang out, and it was dead, and all the trees 649 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 2: around the next properties they were alive and then right 650 00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: next to the tree there was this big patch without grass. 651 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: So I started thinking and just you know, logical reseitting, 652 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 2: and I think they buried something here. They hit the 653 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,239 Speaker 2: roots and that killed the tree and that's it. 654 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 5: We went home. 655 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: I told my girlfriend what happened, and I told her 656 00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 2: about my theory with the tree. 657 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 5: Three days go by. 658 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 2: And the teacher calls me, like at ten pm and 659 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 2: she's like, get over here. Things are just the worst. 660 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,840 Speaker 2: I want you to dig. We start digging, and then 661 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 2: I don't know, after two feet I start getting pieces 662 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:02,360 Speaker 2: of like bad cheese. I remember it even had the 663 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 2: JC Penny tag on it, and then pieces of a 664 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 2: black plastic bag, but. 665 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 5: The thick ones uh huh. 666 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 2: And then like three ft in I pulled like this 667 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,360 Speaker 2: much hair, like a clump of hair, yeah, like fifteen 668 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: inches long, and like my finger thick of that clump. 669 00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 2: I pull it there and that's where the teacher went 670 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: like put that back in. 671 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 5: Stop digging. 672 00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:33,360 Speaker 2: I don't want to know anything else anything, and we 673 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 2: left it like that, and that's how still there. I 674 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 2: don't know if she ever called the cops. I don't 675 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 2: know what happened, but that was that story is still 676 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 2: with me this day. 677 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:44,240 Speaker 5: That's crazy. 678 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 3: Because you're you know, I guess as we know. I 679 00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:52,000 Speaker 3: don't know. 680 00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I haven't had an experience in a while, 681 00:33:53,800 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: but I was just curious. Yeah, but there is something. 682 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,360 Speaker 1: A friend of mine wanted me to do it with her. 683 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,840 Speaker 1: I believe we weren't too loom. 684 00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,840 Speaker 5: Ayahuasca A ayahuasca. 685 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: Ah huh, yes, pianza to this. I've never tried it. 686 00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: I'm kind of curious, to be honest. But what happens 687 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 1: when you do that? 688 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 3: Do you know about that? 689 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 5: Yes, I've done it four times. 690 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,919 Speaker 3: Oh nice? Okay, perfect, okay, so TV. 691 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 5: Yeah, so ayahuasca is really cool. 692 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 2: What it has, it's a mixture of plants, but the main, 693 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 2: the active ingredient is d MT. So our brain produces 694 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 2: d MT naturally. When you dream, your brain makes a 695 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:38,880 Speaker 2: tiny bit of d MT. And what they say is 696 00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,759 Speaker 2: that when you you're born and you cry, and the 697 00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:45,360 Speaker 2: first time you're awake after the womb, that's like the 698 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 2: brain shoots you up with EMPT and they believe that's 699 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:51,720 Speaker 2: the same that happens when you die. Your brain shoots 700 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:54,160 Speaker 2: you up with MT and sends you into an eternal dream. 701 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,319 Speaker 2: So with a Yaguasca. You get this shot of d MT, 702 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:03,280 Speaker 2: which basic makes your brain see the matrix that makes 703 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,120 Speaker 2: the universe. You see the cells on plants, you see 704 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,960 Speaker 2: things reading, you understand yourself. You can go inside yourself 705 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:16,760 Speaker 2: and actually literally see yourself inside yourself and just become 706 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,720 Speaker 2: one with the universe because you're you're in this dream state, 707 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,280 Speaker 2: but you're awake. What I do really recommend if anybody 708 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,400 Speaker 2: wants to try it, is they do it in a 709 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:30,359 Speaker 2: safe space with as few people as possible and with 710 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,160 Speaker 2: somebody that knows what he's doing so they can guide you. 711 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:35,839 Speaker 5: And you will throw up. 712 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 3: I know, I heard about that my friends. 713 00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,959 Speaker 1: So she threw up horribly, but then the days after 714 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:42,440 Speaker 1: she felt better, she felt lighter. 715 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,680 Speaker 2: Like in one session a girl just lost her father 716 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 2: and in one session she was crying for hours and 717 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: then laughing and everything which she was done. She just 718 00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,680 Speaker 2: finally she let go. She was mourning for like nine 719 00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 2: months and with one session she was able to let go. 720 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: Oh wow, thank you so much for being on the podcast. 721 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: I learned so much. Again, I apologize for all my questions, 722 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: but thank you for answering them. You were awesome. And 723 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,000 Speaker 1: before you go, please share your socials. Your podcast tell 724 00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,080 Speaker 1: people anything and everything you want them to know. 725 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 2: Oh thanks, so you can find me or El Bad 726 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 2: Diablo like Devil but Bad Diablo. 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