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Speaker 1: All right, we've got Robman aka Pitching Ninja back on FT.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see Rob. It's already August man. I

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Speaker 1: looked down. I'm like, man, we haven't seen Rob Freeman

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Speaker 1: in a minute. How you been. I've been good.

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Speaker 2: I miss you too.

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Speaker 1: We like these combos, and I don't know if we've

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Speaker 1: had Trevor on for these combos, but obviously we can.

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Speaker 1: We were nerding out a little bit more than usual today.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of the frat boys are off the

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Speaker 1: show today, so Trevor and I can just nerd out.

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Speaker 1: But let's start off this way, nastiest pitch that you've seen,

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Speaker 1: and I'll put it in two directions, One like the

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Speaker 1: actual pitch, like in one particular game one pitch, but

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Speaker 1: then also just in general, like, which pitch are you

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Speaker 1: enjoying watch watching from a starter or reliever on the

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Speaker 1: mount this year.

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Speaker 2: That's a great question.

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Speaker 3: I think I can come up with two that just

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Speaker 3: hit me off the top of my head as far

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Speaker 3: as nastiest pitch. One is a Joe Ryan sweeper that

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Speaker 3: was originally measured at like thirty inches and I think

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Speaker 3: they scaled it back to twenty eight inches of break

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Speaker 3: or something like that that was insane. It's just all

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Speaker 3: the right elements happened and the thing just broke like crazy.

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Speaker 3: The other one I was thinking of is Jacob Mazerowski

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Speaker 3: against Willie castro with that was a ninety six mile

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Speaker 2: That was pretty sick.

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Speaker 3: And as far yeah, I mean as far as guys

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Speaker 3: like I think he might have just the most eye

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Speaker 2: But there are a lot of filthy guys out there.

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Speaker 4: We asked that question. Now, I'm like, over here, I

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Speaker 4: kind of want Scott to interview both of us, just

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Speaker 4: get the same questions from both, because I was going

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Speaker 4: to say, he's going to say the Joe Ryan sweeper

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Speaker 4: if I remember correctly too, I saw it on your account.

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Speaker 4: He also like ran off of the camera screen, and

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Speaker 4: which also I think added a little bit another question

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Speaker 4: along the lines of nasty pitches. I want to stick

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Speaker 4: include Miserowski too. Is there any pitches that you did

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Speaker 4: not anticipate to see that surprised you when you're like, WHOA,

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Speaker 4: I didn't know we had that. Is there anyone who's

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Speaker 3: Well, there are two guys. I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: surprised me. Miserowski's one of them. Like, I didn't expect

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Speaker 3: his command to be as good as it had been,

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Speaker 3: Like he looks like a taller Jacob de Gram at times,

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Speaker 3: and that's ridiculous. The other I mean Chase Burns. I

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Speaker 3: knew his slider was really good, but his slider is

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Speaker 3: on the mound, and I wish more people would watch that.

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Speaker 3: They pay attention to the runs, which he's had some

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Speaker 3: bad luck, but if you look at his pitches and

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Speaker 3: his strikeouts and swing and miss stuff, you can't miss

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Speaker 1: I've got a rookie for you that a lot of

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Speaker 1: the world maybe has forgotten about because he's been missing

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Speaker 1: Did you see the recent comments from Roki Sasaki? And

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Speaker 1: do you think that he's going to work on adjusting

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Speaker 1: that he couldn't, right, he got hurt. That's really why

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Speaker 1: he's been missing time here. But I thought it was

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Speaker 1: fascinating for him to take us inside. You know what's

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Speaker 1: going through his head as he's going to rehab here.

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Speaker 1: He thinks that he needs to remodel his game a

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Speaker 1: little bit, which every pitcher does to an extent. What

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Speaker 2: I think he's probably right.

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Speaker 3: So his fastball doesn't have like it's fast, but it

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Speaker 3: or whatever he calls it. That pitch is virtually unhittable.

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Speaker 3: But if you eliminate it and you sit on a fastball, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean Hunter Brown just took off once he added

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Speaker 3: I left him out because yes, his forkball, which it

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Speaker 3: But adding that other weapon I think is going to

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Speaker 3: in the majors. I think he was caught a little

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Speaker 3: flat footed by the dropping velo because of the injury.

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Speaker 3: But also hitters, if they eliminate a pitch I know

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Speaker 4: You. Brought up a great point about the two fastball,

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Speaker 4: kind of to use a gaming term meta, and I

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Speaker 4: feel like this is something a lot of guys are doing,

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Speaker 4: Like Paul Skeen's talked about adding a sinker and a cutter,

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Speaker 4: just because even though he was as good as he can,

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Speaker 4: And Roki this is a great example. I thought I

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Speaker 4: said this early in in the year too. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: he's going to need something that goes either that way

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Speaker 4: or that way at some point in order to get

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Speaker 4: lefties and right He's out and get away from produced bits.

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Speaker 4: So what is your opinion on do you think this

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Speaker 4: is a the having two fastballs? That is, do you

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Speaker 4: think this is a trend that is going to stay

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Speaker 4: become more necessary and stay necessary for a long period

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Speaker 4: of time, or is this going to be a you know,

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Speaker 4: one of the trending pitches kind of like everyone through

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Speaker 4: a sweeper and now we've some of the guys you

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Speaker 4: we've it's kind of evened out. What do you what

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Speaker 4: is your opinion on the idea of throwing more than

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's a great question to me.

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Speaker 3: The more pitches you have that you can command, the

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Speaker 3: better off you are for even things like tipping pitches,

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Speaker 3: like if you have if Paul Skeins has eight pitches,

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Speaker 3: it's really hard to figure it out if you have

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Speaker 3: eight different variations of different pitches. So I think that

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Speaker 3: with Hawkeye stuff. You can run it through AI and

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Speaker 3: even if it's a tiny bit different. But if you

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Speaker 3: I think it's tougher. So I do think there's a

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Speaker 3: don't know, but we're calling them sinkers.

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Speaker 2: They're not not.

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Speaker 3: I mean some of these aren't even designed to be sinkers.

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Speaker 3: There are two seamers that designed to kind of stay

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Speaker 3: So there's so many different variations. I think the trend

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Speaker 1: Did you see the you say Kukuchi story about how

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Speaker 3: It's definitely a thing like you have to monitor it.

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Speaker 3: It's pitcher specific, like some guys will manipulate the ball

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Speaker 3: they're not necessarily even seeing the spin axis of a pitch.

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Speaker 3: They may be saying, oh, that looks different from everything

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Speaker 2: Is that pitch.

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Speaker 3: But some guys, I think Paul Skins does a great

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Speaker 2: Seth Lugo.

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Speaker 3: He can even very armslots like you have guys that

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Speaker 3: totally very armslots that are successful. Chris Bassett's another guy.

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Speaker 2: But there are other.

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Speaker 3: Guys where it's just one that that's an outlier, and

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Speaker 2: In a game.

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Speaker 4: You make several very good points there. I also have

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Speaker 4: some experience in basically showing some numbers on a pitch

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Speaker 4: when I'm trying and they're like, it looks really nasty.

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Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, I'm gonna throw it all the time

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Speaker 4: and not really thinking about all the other things that

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Speaker 1: That wasn't what I wanted.

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Speaker 4: But two things you mentioned. We're talking about grabbing a

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Speaker 1: Mace Blaining one of the most popular segments in baseball.

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Speaker 4: to optimize guys to get the maximum velocity. And when

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Speaker 4: you're sixteen years old, you optimizing a sixteen year old's

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Speaker 4: body doesn't make sense because it's going to be different

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Speaker 4: in a month. So that's I think where the where

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Speaker 4: it becomes not the greatest thing in the world, because

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Speaker 4: you're optimizing for a person who has not done growing,

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Speaker 4: very likely unless they're very early mature, and that could

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Speaker 4: completely derail the whole thing. Anyways, to where that one

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Speaker 4: hundred and sixteen is now ninety one at twenty one,

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Speaker 4: and because they just simply can't, like something broke down

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Speaker 4: and just didn't heal as they were growing, didn't heal

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Speaker 4: the way they needed to heal, and they didn't max

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Speaker 4: out at the right time. It's called peaking early. And

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Speaker 4: I've played against some guys when I was young. There's

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Speaker 4: a couple of sixteen year olds in my league that

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Speaker 4: through ninety six ninety seven they were absolutely insane, and

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Speaker 4: then when they went to college they were down eighty

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Speaker 4: eight to ninety one because they had to deal with

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Speaker 4: some stuff. So it is just part of the way

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Speaker 4: it happens. And I think that what we're trying to do.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't mean like let's focus on command. It's just

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Speaker 4: maybe don't only focus on velocity, and maybe learning different pitches,

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Speaker 4: learning other positions, playing, don't become a pitcher only. There's

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Speaker 4: a lot of ways to I think, mitigate this stuff,

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Speaker 4: but there's no one way. I think it's just it's incentives.

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Speaker 4: It comes down to incentives. What are we incentivizing. Do

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Speaker 4: we want this guy to pitch long term with them

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Speaker 4: optimizing him right now? You got to leave some potential,

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Speaker 4: some some ceiling here to when they are a grown adult,

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Speaker 4: to then peak when it matters.

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Speaker 2: And I think the.

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Speaker 4: Only chance, only time that chancing this type of e

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Speaker 4: LO is worth it is in the major leagues.

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Speaker 1: What if you know, a sixteen year old's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: it's just coming out of the hand like this, Like

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Speaker 1: how easy is it to take a lot off of

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Speaker 1: a pitch. Like what if you're someone who's just feeling

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Speaker 1: like naturally, maybe you're not throwing a hundred, but you're

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Speaker 1: pumping well into the upper nineties. How do you coach

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Speaker 1: someone through that?

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Speaker 4: Then it comes down to if that person's naturally if

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Speaker 4: they're a Jacob de Gram type and they're just naturally

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Speaker 4: adding velocity because something is clicked for them physically and

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Speaker 4: they don't really know what it is, figuring out what

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Speaker 4: that is, and then building all of the your apparatus

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Speaker 4: around it, your mechanical stuff around it, strengthening every part

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Speaker 4: of that chain to protect them and allow them able

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Speaker 4: to do it longer. It's just about getting stronger and

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Speaker 4: stronger and stronger while and then just letting them keep

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Speaker 4: just doing it naturally. So it becomes on the back end,

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Speaker 4: like we're not worried about you getting like, it's not

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Speaker 4: about trying to get you to slow down or take

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Speaker 4: your foot off the gas if you're not putting your

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Speaker 4: foot on the gas. But if you're out there with

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Speaker 4: intent to throw one hundred percent, that's when you're like, like,

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Speaker 4: maybe we throw change ups at one hundred percent, right,

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Speaker 4: maybe we mix in more change ups because naturally they're

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Speaker 4: just easier on the arm. Overall, there's just not as

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Speaker 4: much pressure going on the forearm and the elbow. There

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Speaker 4: are ways, but again, like if it's natural and they're

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Speaker 4: doing it naturally, not necessarily trying to throw out as

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Speaker 4: they can, then you just build them physically to be

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Speaker 4: able to operate in that space and do the work

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Speaker 4: necessary to maintain.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the part that really struck with me was, Hey,

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Speaker 1: you either played with or played against some guys that

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Speaker 1: were you know, ninety six ninety seven high school and

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Speaker 1: then they're in college and they're not throwing hard and

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Speaker 1: they're on through injuries. I mean, anyone that's been in

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Speaker 1: baseball for a long period of time. Even someone like me,

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Speaker 1: a broadcaster, has met a ton of people who say, hey,

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Speaker 1: I was in high school, I was the man homie,

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Speaker 1: right like, hey, I was throwing ninety five plus all that,

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Speaker 1: And then you're like, what happened? And some of them

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Speaker 1: are probably inflating their statistics, but some aren't. There are

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Speaker 1: those ridiculous players. I mean, I remember a kid in

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Speaker 1: my high school was like that, ended up playing college

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Speaker 1: baseball but kind of flamed out and had the build

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Speaker 1: you thought, oh, this guy's probably gonna make it. Now,

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Speaker 1: shoulder injury