Speaker 1: This week on a Happy half Hour. I know it
Speaker 1: sounds like a cop out or sounds like the easiest
Speaker 1: thing to say, but sometimes the best thing to do
Speaker 1: with one that gets off the rails like that one
Speaker 1: did is just process tape, go through the talking points
Speaker 1: on Monday, learn the lessons everybody except their role in
Speaker 1: what went wrong. Keep it moving.
Speaker 2: That's the how it.
Speaker 1: It's time for the Happy half Hour with your friends.
Speaker 1: Darren Ghant and Cassidy Hill. Hello, friends, and welcome to
Speaker 1: the Happy half Hour. And I swear to God it's
Speaker 1: going to be happy at some point eventually. But right
Speaker 1: it has to be. It's right there in the title.
Speaker 1: I think we're contractually obligated. We're also contractually obligated to say.
Speaker 1: The Happy half Hours presented by Southern Star, an official
Speaker 1: bourbon partner of the Carolina Panthers, celebrate the spirit of
Speaker 1: the Carolinas. That makes you happy or you know, maybe
Speaker 1: drown your sorrows, whatever works. That was a week.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: That was something.
Speaker 2: It was Uh, we're both so Southern that we immediately
Speaker 2: responded with that was something.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. That was something. Bless it's heart. It was
Speaker 1: a real thing that just happened to us. It was, uh,
Speaker 1: we are not going to spend all that much time
Speaker 1: dwelling on that thing. And it's almost like you can't
Speaker 1: even call it by name. But yeah, that started about
Speaker 1: his own which will be named. Yeah. I mean it
Speaker 1: started out bad and it kept getting worse and worse,
Speaker 1: and it did it in a hurry, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. It I think because there
Speaker 1: was so much new We talked about this in the
Speaker 1: mailbag a couple of weeks ago, because there were so
Speaker 1: much new new GM, new coach, you know, forty percent
Speaker 1: of the roster, you know, people in jobs they've never
Speaker 1: had before. It's a short step from new to hope.
Speaker 1: And because that had been created by all these fresh
Speaker 1: faces and all these new people and all these exciting developments.
Speaker 1: You know, when a fourty seventy ten game lands in
Speaker 1: your lap, and it lands in a hurry, you know,
Speaker 1: it's seventeen nothing after the first quarter, ten nothing after
Speaker 1: three minutes, you know, then people are reeling. And I
Speaker 1: think it's because of the expectations and because it was
Speaker 1: so out of line with everything everybody was kind of
Speaker 1: expecting to see from a new and improved offense that
Speaker 1: it just kind of rattled a lot of people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great point, because, I mean, as you said,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, it was seventeen nothing. They were
Speaker 2: drinking from a fire hose a little bit. And you know,
Speaker 2: you hear coaches say you just got to take it
Speaker 2: one play at a time, one play at a time,
Speaker 2: But when you're down seventeen nothing in the blink of
Speaker 2: an eye, you really can't take it one play at
Speaker 2: a time. You lose a lot of your run game
Speaker 2: when you get down that quick, that early, and a
Speaker 2: lot of this offense is sort of predicated on the
Speaker 2: run game being able to open things up a little
Speaker 2: bit for Bryce, and you know, when you're the defense
Speaker 2: and you get down that early, I mean, they were
Speaker 2: on the field for my goodness. I want to say
Speaker 2: it was not quite double the amount of plays, but
Speaker 2: it was. It was almost a full quarter more than
Speaker 2: the offense was. Defense was on the field for thirty
Speaker 2: six minutes and thirty nine seconds versus offense, which was
Speaker 2: twenty three minutes. Yep. That's almost a full extra quarter
Speaker 2: of football field.
Speaker 1: And one of the things we've talked about over and
Speaker 1: over in this space for the last two or three years,
Speaker 1: it seems like is when it happens like that, usually
Speaker 1: it's one side of the ball. The good news about
Speaker 1: this one was it was every side of the all
Speaker 1: the you know, the offense obviously struggled to move. Bryce
Speaker 1: turned it over a couple of times. Jonathan Mingo fumbles.
Speaker 1: Defense gives up one hundred and eighty on the ground
Speaker 1: to a team that we didn't think was going to
Speaker 1: be a dominant running team this season. Special teams gets
Speaker 1: a plot block, some big returns. Now Johnny Hecker's on
Speaker 1: the injury report, and we'll see how that goes the
Speaker 1: rest of the week. But this thing got sideways fast.
Speaker 1: And I like to say once avalanches start going downhill,
Speaker 1: they very seldom stop and turn around and go back up.
Speaker 1: And it just kind of kept going that way the
Speaker 1: whole day, and it was the whole thing. It was systemic.
Speaker 1: It was all three phases, as the football people like
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: Jordan Matthews made I thought an interesting point, which I'll
Speaker 2: be honest, if anyone else had made it, I probably
Speaker 2: would have scoffed. But Jordan Matthews has been around a
Speaker 2: long time and he's a very smart man, so I
Speaker 2: listened when he says stuff, and he said, all three
Speaker 2: phases are walking around here with egg on their face.
Speaker 2: And it almost makes it a little easier to move
Speaker 2: forward because you don't have anybody at all that's walking
Speaker 2: in here with their head held hide and saying, well,
Speaker 2: I did my job where I messed up, because then
Speaker 2: you get a little bit of okay, now this person's
Speaker 2: moving forward to this person's not, and it just creates
Speaker 2: at tension. He said, everybody needs to move forward together
Speaker 2: because we all showed badly.
Speaker 1: Yeahly, I mean. And again we've seen it in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years cases where the defense can say, hey,
Speaker 1: we're doing our part. We're trying to hold up our
Speaker 1: end when the offense can't move the ball and we
Speaker 1: were out there all day. This stuff's going to happen.
Speaker 1: That's been a thing, whether anybody said it out loud
Speaker 1: or not, that is a real thing. And this time
Speaker 1: nobody can point fingers at anybody because it was all bad.
Speaker 1: And so one of the things that thinks come through
Speaker 1: in the last couple of days. And you know, I
Speaker 1: sort of when I'm trying to get big picture perspective
Speaker 1: on things, there's certain people I like to talk to,
Speaker 1: including Jake Gloom and Luke Keigley, because they've been around
Speaker 1: and they've seen some things. And I was talking to
Speaker 1: Luke the other day, as you can read on Panthers
Speaker 1: dot com, and I said, Luke, what's that plane ride
Speaker 1: home like when you take one like that? Because Luke
Speaker 1: was a part of a fifty one thirteen beating at
Speaker 1: San Francisco that was an even worse beating and an
Speaker 1: even longer flight home. And Luke, in his very Luke
Speaker 1: Keighley way, said well, you know, I'd sit there and
Speaker 1: I talked to Colin Jones for a little bit, and
Speaker 1: me and Khalil would talk, and then I'd wander up
Speaker 1: to the front of the plane talk to JJ and
Speaker 1: DA and Greg the boys, and Cam's usually taking a
Speaker 1: nap by that point. So then I would come back
Speaker 1: and I would sit down in my seat, and you know,
Speaker 1: eats my ice cream as.
Speaker 2: One does as one does, and I mean I also
Speaker 2: draw my sorrows in ice cream.
Speaker 1: Lukey c Yeah. So Luke, he's just like the rest
Speaker 1: of us. But I think his greater point was you
Speaker 1: have to recognize that this was a bad one, but
Speaker 1: it was one and especially now that it's one of
Speaker 1: seventeen instead of one and sixteen as it was a
Speaker 1: lot of the time when Luke was playing. You kind
Speaker 1: of have to compartmentalize the whole thing and turn it off.
Speaker 1: And Luke's point was, you don't freak out about it
Speaker 1: on Sunday night because you can't get ahead. You come
Speaker 1: in Monday, you look at film, you take what you
Speaker 1: can learn from the film, you put it in the
Speaker 1: rear view mirror. You show up to practice on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: You practice that getting the things better that you learned
Speaker 1: about on Monday, and then everything's forward. And so I
Speaker 1: know it sounds like cop out or sounds like the
Speaker 1: easiest thing to say, but sometimes the best thing to
Speaker 1: do with one that gets off the rails like that
Speaker 1: one did is just process the tape, go through the
Speaker 1: talking points on Monday, learn the lessons everybody except their
Speaker 1: role in what went wrong.
Speaker 2: And keep it moving and don't let it beat you
Speaker 2: twice yep.
Speaker 1: Because that's the thing that's important is you've got a
Speaker 1: serious opponent coming in this weekend. After giving up one
Speaker 1: ad on the ground against the Saints. Oh congratulations, here's
Speaker 1: a Jim harball team. Guess what they're going to try
Speaker 1: to do.
Speaker 2: Run it straight down off the throat, and.
Speaker 1: That is the way they're built. They've got Bradley Boseman
Speaker 1: in the middle of the line, so he's the guy
Speaker 1: people here know well. And they're serious about straight ahead
Speaker 1: running in a way that we have seen before. So
Speaker 1: it's definitely something they've got to get buttoned up in
Speaker 1: a hurry. And oh, by the way, you've got to
Speaker 1: get it buttoned up without Derek Brown. And I think
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's probably as problematic as any because
Speaker 1: there can be some emotional carry over there, because as
Speaker 1: Dave Canalis said the other day, it's not just replacing
Speaker 1: one guy, it's replacing that guy.
Speaker 2: You look at this game and regardless of the time
Speaker 2: of the score, it's pat or it's field goal, and
Speaker 2: Derek is rushing with full effort the whole time. It's
Speaker 2: the spirit of what we want to be about with
Speaker 2: the finish.
Speaker 1: And I mean, that's it. Derek is more than just
Speaker 1: a really good football player. He's the guy who's out
Speaker 1: there leading all the lines, running sprints before practice and OTAs.
Speaker 1: He's the guy showing up and doing extra He's the
Speaker 1: guy who you know, just got a one hundred million
Speaker 1: dollar contract this offseason, but he doesn't act like it.
Speaker 1: He's still Derek. He's still wandering around looking the same
Speaker 1: as he looked before he got the big contract and
Speaker 1: working the same way he worked before he got the contract.
Speaker 1: And honestly, that's why you get contracts like that by
Speaker 1: being that player who works that way. So it's been
Speaker 1: it's been tough at an emotional level for these guys too.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest thing that you have to do there, Darren,
Speaker 2: is understand that essentially you can't replace Derek Brown. You're
Speaker 2: just going to have to make up for his absence.
Speaker 2: And I think there's a difference in that mindset because
Speaker 2: if you're trying to replace Derek Brown, you're asking people
Speaker 2: to do things that aren't necessarily in their wheelhouse, and
Speaker 2: so it's not going to look the same. But Okay,
Speaker 2: how can we make what it is going to look
Speaker 2: like work? And that's going to take some stepping up
Speaker 2: from Shy Tunnel, from Mashawn Robinson, everybody in that front seven,
Speaker 2: you know, do they play the linebackers closer to the
Speaker 2: line just to kind of help with some of those
Speaker 2: run fits. Those run fits especially, are going to be
Speaker 2: something that they have to be really really sharp on.
Speaker 1: This week.
Speaker 2: Nick Scott told us yesterday he said, you know, the
Speaker 2: thing with the Chargers in their run game is essentially
Speaker 2: they can lull you to sleep, because he said, you know,
Speaker 2: they were averaging two point five yards of pop for
Speaker 2: most of that game, and all of a sudden in
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter they break off two fifty plus yard
Speaker 2: runs and they really start running down their throat from
Speaker 2: that point, he said, So, you know, we're just we've
Speaker 2: got to be super super disciplined in our run fits,
Speaker 2: not get bored, and not try to force anything. Don't
Speaker 2: try to chase a tackle for loss, you know, because
Speaker 2: then if you're chasing a tackle for loss and they
Speaker 2: get by you, JK. Dobbins is gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know. And one of the things that people
Speaker 1: who say football words like to say is you got
Speaker 1: to play run defense with all eleven. You know what,
Speaker 1: as good class to the ball, as good as that
Speaker 1: one guy is, you know, he can be as good
Speaker 1: as he wants to be. But if one other part
Speaker 1: breaks down, that's when you see runs getting gashed down
Speaker 1: the field. To your point, cast and so you can
Speaker 1: play sound run defense with people who don't have to
Speaker 1: be Derek Brown, but everybody's got to be buttoned up.
Speaker 1: It cuts into your margin of era obviously, and you
Speaker 1: know you're taking one of the best run defenders in
Speaker 1: the entire NFL out of the lineup for the next
Speaker 1: seventeen weeks. And now you've got to figure it out.
Speaker 1: And so they brought in Deshaun Williams to the practice
Speaker 1: squad this week. Could see him elevated this week, depends
Speaker 1: on how ready to go he is. But they've got
Speaker 1: to count on a Shawn. They've got to count on
Speaker 1: Shy Tuttle and Nick Thurman and Lebrin Ray and Jaden
Speaker 1: Peevie because it has to be a collective thing and
Speaker 1: it's not just those front line guys. I mean, the
Speaker 1: linebackers are going to play a big role in this,
Speaker 1: and I believe that that was one of the biggest
Speaker 1: problems last year. But when the run defense struggled, you
Speaker 1: didn't have Shaq Thompson in the middle after Week two,
Speaker 1: and they were trying to turn Frankie Luvu into something
Speaker 1: he was not. They were trying to figure out how
Speaker 1: to get defenses called without you know, their longtime captain oldhead,
Speaker 1: you know, provider of veteran wisdom, whatever you want to say, Shaq.
Speaker 1: And it was a mess. But now Shaq's back. There's
Speaker 1: a Josie Jewel there. I believe even though Trevin Wallace
Speaker 1: didn't get a defensive snap in last week, we are
Speaker 1: going to see more and more of him as the
Speaker 1: season goes along, just because I think you have to
Speaker 1: mix some things up. I think, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: alike for like comparison to say he's like Frankie Luvu,
Speaker 1: because very few people are like Frankie Luvu. But I
Speaker 1: think Wileace has the opportunity to be that kind of
Speaker 1: wild card type player on defense where you can put
Speaker 1: him in a lot of different spots. And they didn't
Speaker 1: do that last week. But I think his season goes on,
Speaker 1: it's just going to be natural that you start to
Speaker 1: see more and more of that guy as they try
Speaker 1: to come up with some answers on defense.
Speaker 2: A little he plays a little bit with his hair
Speaker 2: on fire too. Yeah, he actually doesn't have much hair
Speaker 2: because he keeps his shaved close. But what he does have,
Speaker 2: he plays with it on fire. We talked to we
Speaker 2: will talk to Everro today and I'm sure he's not
Speaker 2: going to give away his game plan, but I am
Speaker 2: interested to hear what he has to say about you know,
Speaker 2: could they go a little heavier in that front or
Speaker 2: you know, I can't imagine he would ever play like
Speaker 2: a fifty hunder or anything, but you know, just kind.
Speaker 1: Of look load saying football words.
Speaker 2: I've picked up a few things here and there, but like,
Speaker 2: I can't imagine they would do that. But you know,
Speaker 2: do you do you lean that way a little bit
Speaker 2: here and there just because you don't have Derek Brown
Speaker 2: there who could take on double teams, who could who
Speaker 2: could recolle Ligne and maybe just kind of replace him
Speaker 2: with more than one body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's going to be a challenge, There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about that. And and that's the thing. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: you've got to figure out some answers. And the good
Speaker 1: news is that EJ has proven over the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, whether it was his time in Denver his
Speaker 1: experience here, if there's anything the guy has proven himself
Speaker 1: capable of doing, it's adjusting. Yeah, I mean, he he
Speaker 1: had a lot of injuries in Denver. You know, they
Speaker 1: traded his best pass rush in the middle of the
Speaker 1: season a couple of years ago. Things have happened around
Speaker 1: him that's forced him to adjust, and he's done a
Speaker 1: pretty good job of adjusting.
Speaker 2: So I just secretly love this sort of stuff. I mean,
Speaker 2: you don't not you don't love an injury though, don't
Speaker 2: say that, but you love the challenge of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they tend to enjoy things that make
Speaker 1: it harder because then it's like, all right, what can
Speaker 1: we come up with? What can I scheme up to
Speaker 1: fix this? I mean, you know, if you had a
Speaker 1: dozen Derek Browns, defense would be easy.
Speaker 2: Right, get a flag for having twelve men on the field,
Speaker 2: but still.
Speaker 1: One of them would be one of them. One of
Speaker 1: them would always be in charge of making sure there's
Speaker 1: eleven because there you get Eric's conscientious that way. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be a challenge. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a challenge in all phases. But that's both sides
Speaker 1: of the ball. I mean, we talked a little bit
Speaker 1: about the special teams. They're breaking in a lot of
Speaker 1: new people this week. You know, Lonnie Johnson, Mike Boone
Speaker 1: get their call ups to the fifty three after being
Speaker 1: practice squaad promotions a week ago. So those two are
Speaker 1: key parts to what Tracy Smith's trying to put together
Speaker 1: in the Special team's room. It's it's constant change on
Speaker 1: that side of the ball anyway, especially with the roster
Speaker 1: turnover here lately. In talking of all those new people
Speaker 1: in new roles, you know, it gets magnified for special
Speaker 1: teams because everything is geared toward putting your best eleven
Speaker 1: on the field offense and defense. Special teams coaches have
Speaker 1: been making soup out of, you know, whatever's left over
Speaker 1: in the fridge for years, and Tracy Smith's jobs even
Speaker 1: more ambitious. I don't know if that's the right word
Speaker 1: for it. Complicated is probably a better word, because you know,
Speaker 1: they did claim six guys off waivers in week one.
Speaker 1: They are shuffling guys in and out already this season,
Speaker 1: so having guys like Lonnie, having guys like Mike Boone
Speaker 1: can have a stabilizing effect on that. But it's going
Speaker 1: to take some time for some of that stuff to
Speaker 1: get settled down. Because they did they allowed some big
Speaker 1: returns the other week there. You know, it just wasn't
Speaker 1: a tight operation. But I don't know that you can
Speaker 1: fairly assume a tight operation, given the circumstances they've got
Speaker 1: to work with.
Speaker 2: I'm curious too, how much of those big returns had
Speaker 2: to do with this really being the first time. Know
Speaker 2: greented people on special teams were playing in the preseason,
Speaker 2: but this is the first time you're really seeing teams
Speaker 2: pull out what they're going to do with this new
Speaker 2: kickoff rule. I'm curious as the season goes on if
Speaker 2: we'll see some of that get tightened up, not just
Speaker 2: here but around the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things tend to regress to the mean, so to speak.
Speaker 1: I think that was Archimedes law or Murphy's I don't know.
Speaker 1: That was part of the pre show meeting the show
Speaker 1: within the show here at the happy half hour.
Speaker 2: I tried too hard. I philosophy too close to the sign.
Speaker 2: Murphy's law is a basic one. I tried to get fancy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna we're gonna discuss full crumbs on next
Speaker 1: week half a half hour. That's really gonna goose the ratings.
Speaker 2: It'll be a bonanza, which philosopher said, give me a
Speaker 2: full Groman, I can move the world.
Speaker 1: That was archamedie. Is it really there?
Speaker 2: You go? Okay?
Speaker 1: So it's uh might have been more of a mathematician
Speaker 1: than a philosopher. But anyway, so we uh, we will
Speaker 1: have a lot to talk about next week. I mean
Speaker 1: that that match up against Chargers is going to be
Speaker 1: so curious because there's going to be a lot of expectation.
Speaker 1: I mean, if there was anything good about that game
Speaker 1: last week, it was that it was in another place
Speaker 1: and the home fans didn't have to endure that one.
Speaker 1: So I think there's going to be a lot of
Speaker 1: anticipation when people come into Bank of America Stadium on
Speaker 1: Sunday looking at the forecast. Could be a little damp, oh,
Speaker 1: could be a little messy, could be And you know, frankly,
Speaker 1: I think that kind of plays into the game because
Speaker 1: you know, a Jim harball team wants to run. You
Speaker 1: know that the Carolina Panthers would prefer to run, and
Speaker 1: especially in the aftermath of that game last week, I
Speaker 1: think they're going to want to take some stuff off
Speaker 1: Bryce's plate, make it easier for him, allow him to
Speaker 1: settle in. I mean, have that steady diet. You know,
Speaker 1: when the first pass of the game, first play of
Speaker 1: the game gets picked off, you're behind the eight ball immediately,
Speaker 1: and it's hard to run with intent. It's hard to
Speaker 1: run stubbornly, as Dave Canalis likes to say, when you're
Speaker 1: down ten oh in the first three minutes of the game.
Speaker 1: So give us some wet conditions, give us two teams
Speaker 1: that want to run the ball. Let's play a good
Speaker 1: two hour and forty five minute football game and see
Speaker 1: what happens.
Speaker 2: If that first past had not been picked off, that
Speaker 2: I would have loved that opener, because you come out
Speaker 2: first play of the new season, new head coach, yard
Speaker 2: lay caller. Let's throw it down there, Let's let's light
Speaker 2: a fire. But then, of course it got dast very quickly.
Speaker 2: You know, yeap, Hindsight's twenty.
Speaker 1: But as the wise men Luke Keighley and our comedies
Speaker 1: tell us, it is one game. Let's eat some mike
Speaker 1: and move on. So anyway, what else we got this
Speaker 1: week and week two? We gotta we have to revisit
Speaker 1: our our newest happy half hour tradition, the happy half
Speaker 1: hour jukebox. H I listened to your girl, Taylor Swift there,
Speaker 1: what was the name of that song? Right where you left,
Speaker 1: right where you left me? Yeah, she's complicated that one. Huh, Right,
Speaker 1: that's a that's a lot. I am not a big
Speaker 1: consumer of the Taylor Swift product, as you may be aware.
Speaker 1: And I listened to that three or four times through
Speaker 1: on a couple of different occasions last week, and Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's she's got some issues unpacked there, doesn't she?
Speaker 2: That one. I think that's why I like that one too,
Speaker 2: because I mean, she does this in a lot of
Speaker 2: her songs, but that one's a really good example where
Speaker 2: she just like takes a first breath, starts in, and
Speaker 2: then doesn't let up until the song is over.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she opened a vein there and just led all
Speaker 1: over the place. It was the one thing I do
Speaker 1: enjoy about her. And I was kind of aware of
Speaker 1: this in a you know, atmospheric way without diving deeply
Speaker 1: into her catalog. She is obviously an incredible writer, right,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And that's what you know. One of my cousins is
Speaker 2: a very very talented musician. That's what he went to
Speaker 2: school for. It's what he does. And he likes to
Speaker 2: post these tiktoks with where he like rewrites the music
Speaker 2: to pre existing songs, and he did our Taylor slipt
Speaker 2: on this week, and I kind of made a joke
Speaker 2: on it like, it just proves that she can write
Speaker 2: a song that can go in any genre. All these
Speaker 2: musicians that follow him wanted to come after me and
Speaker 2: be like, anybody can write a four chord progression, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't really care about the music part
Speaker 2: of it. I'm a writer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to know.
Speaker 2: I want a lyric that's going to reach into my
Speaker 2: heart and squeeze good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it did that that song. Good songs are
Speaker 1: usually either stories or poems, and that one was a
Speaker 1: poem because it was it was tight, it was evocative,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I was kind of I wanted to give
Speaker 1: her a hug at the end of that song because
Speaker 1: it's like, it's gonna be okay, Tita, we gonna get
Speaker 1: through this and be okay. I handed you a story
Speaker 1: song you did.
Speaker 2: Very much a story. A song that I had heard before.
Speaker 1: Me Jo and Lefty, written by Towns van Zant, popularized
Speaker 1: by Willie Nilson and Merle Hacker.
Speaker 2: The Willie Nelson and Merle Hagger version is the version
Speaker 2: that I've grown up listening to. So it threw me
Speaker 2: for a loop a little bit the first time it
Speaker 2: got to the chorus, and that all the Feeder, and
Speaker 2: it wasn't the voice I was used to hearing that
Speaker 2: in And so then I like had to start the
Speaker 2: song over because I'm like, Okay, I need to listen
Speaker 2: to this with like a fresh mind. But beautiful song,
Speaker 2: I like I said, it's one of those songs that
Speaker 2: I've known for a long time, so it's just like
Speaker 2: kind of lived in my conscious. But since I was
Speaker 2: purposely like listening to it a little closely this week,
Speaker 2: or more closely than normal, I really started to pay attention.
Speaker 2: Did Lefty sell him out? And that's how Pancho got killed? Like?
Speaker 2: Is that the story?
Speaker 1: Is that what happened?
Speaker 2: That did he sell him out? And that's how he
Speaker 2: got the money to move to Ohio?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, some people just do what they
Speaker 1: have to do, and that what it says in the song.
Speaker 1: So it's it is quite a journey that one. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you listen to Towns van Zant. Did you check out
Speaker 1: any of the alternate versions?
Speaker 2: I suggest I saved the other one, you said, but
Speaker 2: I kind of kept listening to the Towns Vanzana because
Speaker 2: the one that I clicked. I didn't even realize that
Speaker 2: at first, but it ended up being a live version,
Speaker 2: and I love a good live version of a of
Speaker 2: a storytelling song. You know, it's like one of those
Speaker 2: I love that the Eagles have never recorded Seven Bridges
Speaker 2: Road in a studio, they only do it live.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's probably for the best. It's Yeah, that is
Speaker 1: one of my favorite songs of all time, of all categories,
Speaker 1: and I love it when people from different backgrounds do
Speaker 1: it because when you hear you know and again Townsvan's
Speaker 1: Ant's one of the great songwriters of American history. He
Speaker 1: has influenced so many people that I love listening to.
Speaker 1: And when you hear his songs performed by an Emmy
Speaker 1: Lou Harris, it takes on a different tone. When you
Speaker 1: hear it performed by an English punk rock singerrate Frank Turner,
Speaker 1: it goes a different way. So, I mean, that's what
Speaker 1: I love is when you take a song like that
Speaker 1: that is timeless and give it about three or four
Speaker 1: different treatments, you hear something different every time.
Speaker 2: You know, what it made me think of is actually
Speaker 2: another Willie Nelsons song. And so I've been walking around
Speaker 2: for the past three or four days singing there were
Speaker 2: seven Spanish Angels.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's never a bad time for Willie. So all right,
Speaker 1: what do you got for me this week? What is
Speaker 1: my assignment? What am I listening to?
Speaker 2: I went back and forth a lot because I was like,
Speaker 2: do I want to stray from Taylor? Do I want
Speaker 2: to stay with Taylor? And then I was like if
Speaker 2: I do, what kind of what genre of Taylor? Do
Speaker 2: we want to stay in? You, like you said, are
Speaker 2: a story teller at heart, like myself, So I think
Speaker 2: we're going to stay in that vein hit me and
Speaker 2: go with Ivy Ivy.
Speaker 1: All right, I will listen to Ivy a few times
Speaker 1: this week and report back to you. I was, I
Speaker 1: had probably planned on giving you something else, but just
Speaker 1: to kind of bring up, I went to see one
Speaker 1: of my favorite bands, Shovels and Rope last night at
Speaker 1: the Neighborhood Theater. An incredible show. But as an old
Speaker 1: I would like to suggest that we start having concerts
Speaker 1: at like six o'clock.
Speaker 2: You know, these like nine o'clock concert things that.
Speaker 1: Started at nine on a weeknight or a little tough
Speaker 1: for an old cat like me. But Shelson Rope always
Speaker 1: give good show. They did not play this last night,
Speaker 1: and it's kind of an off the menu sort of hit.
Speaker 1: But they have a song called mary Anne and One
Speaker 1: Eyed Dan love it and if that don't get you
Speaker 1: off to a good start, nothing will. It's it's a
Speaker 1: little more upbeat than what I made you listen to
Speaker 1: and Poncho and Lefty last week. So yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: Ivy's not more upbeat, So have fun? Would that?
Speaker 1: There you go? Well, let's just send ourselves into a
Speaker 1: deep dark depression. No way, we did that already. This
Speaker 1: was supposed to be the Happy half Hour. That's why
Speaker 1: I gave you a little something to go out on
Speaker 1: that's got a little more pep in your step. So listen.
Speaker 1: As Luke Keigley says, it's one week, let's eat some
Speaker 1: ice cream, move forward and we will see you next
Speaker 1: week on the Happy half Hour.
Speaker 2: Thanky