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Speaker 1: Indeed, we do a lot to get to this morning,

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Speaker 1: so we have more indications about how Israel might respond

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Speaker 2: to the major news out coming out of Israel, Iran,

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Speaker 2: and you know, literally could happen tonight, could happen within

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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that's exactly right. Let's put this up on

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Speaker 1: the screen. So of course we covered extensively on Debate

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Speaker 1: night exactly how we got to this place of you know,

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Speaker 1: really standing on the brink of a massive regional war

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Speaker 1: indications of Israel they're saying they're mulling attacks on Iranian

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Speaker 1: This is was mostly reported out by Axios and is

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Speaker 1: We have a big question mark about how the Iranians

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Speaker 5: Arms that were sort of defending it, or they were

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Speaker 5: The amazing Iranian people, who have the worst regime, one

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Speaker 5: This would be the gift of the Israeli people, the

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Speaker 6: I just want to be precise, Prime Minister.

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Speaker 7: You want Israeli airstrikes to blow up Aron's nuclear facilities

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Speaker 1: Quite extraordinary comments there I mean, I just as a

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Speaker 1: But that is the type of tone and rhetoric that's

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Speaker 2: If you want to give them that gift, you're welcome

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Speaker 3: So when we combine that whole picture, it is clear

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh, it's not representative the people.

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Speaker 4: Clearly they're talking about the Iranian government.

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Speaker 2: And you know, maybe, like especially with all these legs,

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Speaker 3: Are we going to say that they have no democratic support?

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Speaker 2: So, you know, we have fantasies in America. Everybody's just

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Speaker 3: It was only through the nuclear deal and others that were.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it absolutely is, especially when you look at I mean,

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Speaker 2: an idiot. And that's the problem is that they don't

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Speaker 2: just have rockets. They have actually very sophisticated military equipment.

443
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Speaker 2: They have a fighting force which is battle tested for

444
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Speaker 2: almost a decade. And also they've got Iran and Syria,

445
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Speaker 2: which themselves are sovereign nations which are being intact by Israel,

446
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Speaker 2: which have a direct interest in making sure that their

447
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Speaker 2: borders allow weapons to flow through seriously, if not outright.

448
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Speaker 3: Just giving it to them themselves.

449
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Speaker 2: So the fact that you had these eight people from

450
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Speaker 2: the IDEF who were already killed just demonstrates like what

451
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Speaker 2: a real invasion would look like. If anything, it's probably

452
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Speaker 2: why they almost immediately started retaliate bombing in Southern Bay Route.

453
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Speaker 2: But the more that their troops want to create some

454
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Speaker 2: sort of so called buffer zone you know, in the country,

455
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Speaker 2: they're going to pay for it in blood. And I

456
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Speaker 2: think that's really what this underscoore or this is not Hamas.

457
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Speaker 2: It's a far more sophisticated force that the IDF has

458
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Speaker 2: known this, they're afraid of it. That's part of the

459
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Speaker 2: reason that they had to call up a lot of reservists.

460
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Speaker 2: And you know, these were some of the more elite

461
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Speaker 2: fighters actually in the IDF. If you look at the UH,

462
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Speaker 2: if you look at the biographies of those that were killed,

463
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Speaker 2: so that should tell.

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Speaker 3: You special forces exactly.

465
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Speaker 2: So it will tell you when you you know, when's

466
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Speaker 2: the last time of America lost eight people in eight people

467
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Speaker 2: from special forces. It doesn't happen all that often in

468
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Speaker 2: an actual ground invasion, you know, especially maybe if they're

469
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Speaker 2: shot down a helicopter or something. But it just demonstrates

470
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Speaker 2: that the parody of the fighting force is much higher,

471
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Speaker 2: and you should be afraid because this would also cause

472
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Speaker 2: significant problems in Israel. Have hundreds, you know, thousands of

473
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Speaker 2: people in the IDEF start dying. This is a small

474
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Speaker 2: nation and they don't have all that many people. On

475
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Speaker 2: top of that, their economy is suffering dramatically. I mean,

476
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Speaker 2: who knows hundreds of billions of shekels who already been

477
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Speaker 2: lost on the war, expanding it and creating all of

478
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Speaker 2: this domestic turma on economic prosers like this is major,

479
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Speaker 2: This is a major issue now that we're almost a

480
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Speaker 2: year removed from October seven. It's kind of insane that

481
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 2: they got themselves into this situation. But of course that's

482
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Speaker 2: the project of their national leader, and at a certain

483
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Speaker 2: point he clearly has some democratic support too.

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Speaker 3: I just talked about.

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Speaker 1: No doubt about it, so you know, I mean, there's

486
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Speaker 1: a lot of natural support for this program there. Obviously

487
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Speaker 1: there have been protests about wanting a deal in order

488
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Speaker 1: to bring the hostages home, which but you know, in

489
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Speaker 1: terms of the hawkishness, the attacks on Hezbla, as far

490
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Speaker 1: as I can tell, in terms of the public polling,

491
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Speaker 1: this is widely supported across.

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Speaker 4: The Israeli political spectrum.

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Speaker 1: And you know, Sager, you made this point when we

494
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Speaker 1: were talking on debate night, like where's all the rhetoric

495
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Speaker 1: about the hostages that's just gone gone, Like they've outlived

496
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Speaker 1: their usefulness. Sorry for the horrible cross nature of that language.

497
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Speaker 1: But to Bbnatan Yahoo, he doesn't care if they live

498
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Speaker 1: or die, does not care. In fact, for him, may

499
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Speaker 1: be more convenient if they end up dying, because then

500
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Speaker 1: they can't come back and talk about the way that

501
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Speaker 1: they were abandoned by the Israeli government. And that's what happened,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean, extraordinarily enough. I don't know if you saw

503
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Speaker 1: this soccer. Nancy Pelosi went on CNN with Dana Bash

504
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Speaker 1: and she was asked about the attacks in Lebanon and

505
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Speaker 1: the attacks, you know, the coming attacks on Iran and

506
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Speaker 1: all of that, and she said, I think Boebe should

507
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Speaker 1: be using his might to get the hostages home.

508
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Speaker 4: Hey how about that?

509
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Speaker 1: Remember when that was when you pretended like that was

510
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Speaker 1: a key priority.

511
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,000
Speaker 4: Not so much anymore.

512
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Speaker 1: And you know, for the broader long term outlook for Israel,

513
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Speaker 1: what does this look like for them? Their credit rating

514
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Speaker 1: was downgraded again purportedly the goal of this, these attacks

515
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Speaker 1: in Beirut and this ground invasion in Lebanon is so

516
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Speaker 1: that Israelis can return to northern Israel where they you know,

517
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Speaker 1: have been evacuated and you know they haven't been there

518
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Speaker 1: since post October seventh.

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Speaker 4: Well, this is no way to accomplish that.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're just creating warhas sties, You're just creating

521
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 1: more danger in that region. What the mayors of those

522
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: towns wanted was a ceasefire deeal so that there would

523
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Speaker 1: be you know, coexistence and at least some limited amount

524
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Speaker 1: of peace, so that people could go home. Like there's

525
00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: no end in sight, there's no there's no immediate timeline

526
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Speaker 1: for Israelis in that region to be able to return.

527
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Speaker 1: You have enormous burdens on the workforce because of the

528
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Speaker 1: continued call ups of reserves to go and fight on

529
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Speaker 1: how many fronts. Even at this point, you know, you're

530
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Speaker 1: in Gaza, you're in the West Bank, you're in Lebanon,

531
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Speaker 1: you're starting a war with Iran, et cetera, and so,

532
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Speaker 1: and you're increasingly, even though the US supports you wholeheartedly,

533
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:46,359
Speaker 1: you are increasingly isolated in terms of the world stage,

534
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 1: where this fading superpower is increasingly becoming one of your

535
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Speaker 1: only friends. So you know, there's no there's no long

536
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Speaker 1: term planning here. It's an ideological project. It's a political

537
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Speaker 1: project for BB It's a project of revenge. And that's

538
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Speaker 1: where we are. And because the US is too weak

539
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: or actively supports this direction, you know it's all completely

540
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,560
Speaker 1: enabled and greenlit and funded and supplied and made possible

541
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Speaker 1: by US and our tax dollars. So we're all just

542
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Speaker 1: waiting to with baited breath to see what happens next.

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Speaker 2: That's a good transition to where our tax dollars should

544
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 2: be going and where our national attention should be going.

545
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Speaker 2: I wish that we were in hostage to a regional

546
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Speaker 2: war in the Middle East, because we literally have hundreds

547
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Speaker 2: of people potentially dead and tens of thousands who are

548
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Speaker 2: now affected by the horrific Hurricane Helen in North Carolina.

549
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Speaker 2: We have some interviews here we want to show you

550
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Speaker 2: from some of the survivors, just to show what the

551
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 2: conditions remain like on the ground and what the experience was.

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Speaker 3: Let's take a listen. We don't have any power.

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Speaker 10: We haven't had any since Friday morning. We had water,

554
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Speaker 10: running water, but we can't drink it, and now the

555
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,919
Speaker 10: pressure is so low that there's no water for me

556
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Speaker 10: out anymore.

557
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Speaker 4: Really, it's undescribable.

558
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Speaker 11: I don't know.

559
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Speaker 10: It just was covered in litter and trees and mud

560
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Speaker 10: and it's stinky, and it was all the way up

561
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Speaker 10: the street up here. It just looks like the bottom

562
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Speaker 10: of a river.

563
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Speaker 9: That couple, Dylan and Larson that came across the bridge,

564
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 9: they had a cat as well. They got they got

565
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Speaker 9: inside to our house and we sat there for a

566
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Speaker 9: little bit, and before we knew it, it was dire

567
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Speaker 9: that we needed to get out, and we had gotten

568
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Speaker 9: the cat bags ready, and you know, that's all we

569
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Speaker 9: were worried about at the moment, is saving our animals.

570
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Speaker 9: And we were looking around at things, and that's when

571
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Speaker 9: I really realized that none of what we own matters

572
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Speaker 9: right now, and our lives, their lives are cats lives.

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Speaker 6: That's all we have.

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Speaker 8: When we were going around just looking to see if

575
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Speaker 8: anybody was okay. I drive those roads all the time,

576
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Speaker 8: and I just couldn't even I couldn't even picture where

577
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Speaker 8: we were anymore. And knowing that nobody is ever going

578
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Speaker 8: to be able to live there, probably most of the

579
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Speaker 8: people who have built their lives there aren't going to

580
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,840
Speaker 8: be able to finish their lives there, and it's just

581
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Speaker 8: really horrifying.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that's that's what it's like in North Carolina,

583
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Speaker 2: and that's what is happening now in terms of our

584
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Speaker 2: government response.

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Speaker 3: Don't worry.

586
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 2: This is a real thing. It's become a meme, but

587
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: I checked into it. FEMA says you can get up

588
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: to seven hundred and fifty dollars for grocery assistance if

589
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 2: you happened to survive that. Meanwhile, we spend one hundred

590
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: million dollars in a single night shooting down a bunch

591
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Speaker 2: of missiles on Israel's behalf. So if you're a North

592
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: Carolina resident, I would think about that and say, hey,

593
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 2: you know, how exactly should US government resources be spent?

594
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: On top of that, it is going to cost tens

595
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Speaker 2: of billions, if not hundreds to rebuild after this. Let's

596
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: put this on the screen. We were talking about this privately,

597
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 2: but it really is going to be an important, you know,

598
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: real story about whether America and our government even cares

599
00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 2: about rebuilding this city, particularly Ashville. Because the The Streetjournal

600
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Speaker 2: wrote this and it's a fantastic guard I encourage everyone

601
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 2: to read it. The hurricane that threatens to think Ashville's

602
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,959
Speaker 2: feel good success Asheville, North Carolina has been one of

603
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Speaker 2: the boom towns of the East Coast now for a decade.

604
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Speaker 2: It had huge population inflow from all across the US.

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Speaker 2: It became a genuine tourist destination in its own right.

606
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Speaker 2: It has, of course, all the fundamentals of beautiful weather scenery.

607
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Speaker 3: The Biltmore Mansion etc.

608
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Speaker 2: But it also became like a real refuge for a

609
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Speaker 2: lot of people all across the country who wanted someone

610
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Speaker 2: that was cheaper.

611
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Speaker 3: They had a good vibe, and they enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: This is not just Ashville, by the way, that's a

613
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Speaker 2: huge inflow into North Carolina. Raleigh and Charlotte are two

614
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Speaker 2: of the most dynamic cities for young people in the

615
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Speaker 2: United States, wage wise and affordability wise. What they point

616
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Speaker 2: out here is that the devastation has wiped out almost

617
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Speaker 2: all the development of the last decade, to the point

618
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Speaker 2: where if the government does not expend literally I mean

619
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Speaker 2: billions and billions of dollars, then it's gone.

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Speaker 3: All of their hard fought resources.

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Speaker 2: The businesses I believe it had more craft breweries than

622
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Speaker 2: any other city in the United States, is gone. The

623
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Speaker 2: tourist destinations, all you know, mountain resorts, et cetera. And

624
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm not just talking about like the ability to visit.

625
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: It's the fact that lots of people had built great

626
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 2: lives in this city and they were wiped out completely.

627
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Speaker 2: And I really do feel like America is already forgetting them.

628
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: Our national politics and more is not focusing on the

629
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Speaker 2: ability to rebuild this place. Yes, it's great the politicians

630
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 2: came and visited, but it took New Orleans more than

631
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: a decade, and arguably it never really recovered, you know,

632
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Speaker 2: from Katrina, and now we're in a similar situation. So

633
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Speaker 2: I'm honestly outraged at the way that they're not getting

634
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:48,280
Speaker 2: the help that they need.

635
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Speaker 4: There's a lot to say about this.

636
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Speaker 1: I mean, I actually went down to Louisiana after Katrina.

637
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Speaker 4: This was another life.

638
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Speaker 1: I worked for a federal government contractor that did like

639
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: accounting systems. Since I was there for this very sort

640
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: of tedious, boring reason of helping people be able to

641
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: itemize some of their losses and help them figure out

642
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: what they could expense and get reimbursed for from the

643
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: federal government. But I'll never forget the experience of being

644
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 1: down in that state and just the absolute devastation individual

645
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 1: personal losses. Because while you know, the task sounds this

646
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: very boring, like accounting task sounds very cut and dry,

647
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: what people are actually bringing you are like the photos

648
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Speaker 1: of what their home used to be and how it's

649
00:32:37,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: just destroyed.

650
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Speaker 4: Now, the stories of.

651
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Speaker 1: We just thought, you know, okay, it's a hurricane. We've

652
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Speaker 1: seen this before in this area, let me pack a

653
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: bag for the weekend, and that bag I packed for

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Speaker 1: the weekend is.

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Speaker 4: Literally all I have left. You're right that, you know.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans yet they rebuilt and other you know surrounding

657
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,840
Speaker 1: areas Lafayette Home, et cetera. But the population did not

658
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: return to New Orleans. There were many people who just

659
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Speaker 1: left and never came back. There were many businesses that

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Speaker 1: closed and never came back. There are you know, neighborhoods

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Speaker 1: that never came back. And when you think about Asheville,

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Speaker 1: North Carolina, which is the place I've spent some time

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Speaker 1: in that it's truly one of my favorite places in

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Speaker 1: the entire country. It is a small business economy.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: Part of what made makes Ashville have this very like

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Speaker 1: special feel that a lot of people really love is

668
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Speaker 1: that it isn't all the big chains.

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Speaker 4: It's unique. You know, there's these little you know, the little.

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Speaker 1: Coffee shop and incredible food, you know, incredible dining scene,

671
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Speaker 1: the arts district, all of those things that made people

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Speaker 1: feel like and the reality being this is a special

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Speaker 1: place with things and people and places that we can't

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Speaker 1: get anywhere else. And you know, I read the stats

675
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: here in this article from the Wall Street Journal. They

676
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:06,360
Speaker 1: say that almost half of small businesses never reopen after

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00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: a disaster. So it's heartbreaking to think about. I mean,

678
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: just think about if you're a business owner, you know

679
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 1: someone in your family like the way they put their

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00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,319
Speaker 1: heart and soul into this idea. It truly is heartbreaking.

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00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: And you hear these survivors who you know, they escape

682
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: with their lives and their their cat's lives, thank goodness,

683
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: but the whole their home, their community, every their livelihood, all.

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00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 4: Of that it's gone. It's gone.

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00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: And you know, there's also I think part of why

686
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: this doesn't get the attention anymore in the news media

687
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: that Katrina got is that these, you know, extreme weather

688
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: events are more and more and more common. But the

689
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: chief meteorologist quoted in this Wall Street Journal piece says

690
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: that the scale of the records suggests it might be

691
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,399
Speaker 1: one of the worst flooding disasters in US history. So

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00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: you have a failed media respond, you have you know,

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00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 1: a lack of an aggressive political response, and not to

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00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: say that there are federal resources going there. I know

695
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:10,719
Speaker 1: that there are, but you know, this is like the

696
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 1: new normal that I've even seen interviews with people who

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00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 1: moved to Asheville from Florida to escape extreme weather events,

698
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: because who would think that, you know, in the mountains

699
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: in North Carolina, you're not anywhere close to the coast

700
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 1: that you could face this type of natural disaster wrought

701
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: by a hurricane. And yet because you know, and this

702
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,399
Speaker 1: is definitely partly because of climate change and the fact

703
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: that the waters in the Gulf were so much warmer

704
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,360
Speaker 1: that helped to strengthen the storm incredibly rapidly, so it

705
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: makes landfall as a category four. This is the new

706
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,280
Speaker 1: horrific reality that we are living through. So my heartbreaks

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00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: for the people who are affected there, My heartbreaks for

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00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: this region just in general, which is so beautiful and

709
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: so special. And I know they will rebuild, but there

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00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: will be things that will be lost. The reality of it,

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00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 1: there will be things that can't be rebuilt. There will

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00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 1: be people who never come back, there will be businesses

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00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 1: that never recover, and it's a devastating loss for them

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00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: first and foremost, but really for the whole country and for.

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Speaker 2: All of us absolutely, and you know it also, I

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00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 2: mean it's not in a cross way, but there will

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00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 2: be just like there was with Hurricane Sandy or previous

718
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: hurricanes it could have a political effect depending on how

719
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Speaker 2: things go.

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Speaker 3: Let's put this up there on the screen.

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00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 2: Already, there have been quote a massive challenge for election

722
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 2: officials in terms of just getting votes in, including mailing ballots.

723
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Speaker 2: They say many residents have temporary already left the area

724
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Speaker 2: because of the damaged roads, the lack of potable water.

725
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 2: They don't know whenever they're going to return. Quote, the

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00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:50,120
Speaker 2: challenging circumstances could suppress turnout in a part of the

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00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 2: state where almost a million people cast ballots in twenty

728
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: twenty of almost six million casts statewide, So that's one

729
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: six of the North Carolina election. And they talk about

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00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:05,240
Speaker 2: how Trump actually defeated Biden by less than eighty thousand votes,

731
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 2: his smallest margin of victory in any state in the country.

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Speaker 2: And the Washington Post poll found that before Helene hit

733
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,320
Speaker 2: that Trump only held a two point lead over Kamala Harris.

734
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Speaker 2: So they say that Trump actually won some twenty five

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00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,400
Speaker 2: of these counties under the disaster declarations with almost sixty

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Speaker 2: five or sixty two percent of the vote at the time.

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Speaker 2: But one of the hardest hit communities, which was Ashville,

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Speaker 2: was where Biden won some sixty percent of the vote,

739
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Speaker 2: so it actually could wreak havoc on the election itself too.

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00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,920
Speaker 2: Just actually saw some of this after Katrina. I remember

741
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,799
Speaker 2: there was a lot of machinations. People didn't know what

742
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 2: to do with all these North Carolina residents who moved

743
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,359
Speaker 2: to Texas where I was, and there was all kinds

744
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 2: of you know, what do we do? Are they residents?

745
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,399
Speaker 2: Where did they move? Are they ever going to come back?

746
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 2: How should we consider them? Also, apparently some overseas and

747
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: military balance were sent to those who had requested them.

748
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,319
Speaker 2: Domestic absentee bounces were sent on September twenty fourth, and

749
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: that meant were probably in transit when the storm hit

750
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Speaker 2: and were potentially destroyed. At least one post office in

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00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 2: the county was flooded and hundreds of mailboxes are now gone,

752
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: so people have to be able to track and see

753
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:08,719
Speaker 2: where things are.

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00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:09,800
Speaker 3: Currently, the US.

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Speaker 2: Postal Service has suspended service to one point three million

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00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 2: North Carolinians that are in the state. So it is

757
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 2: a logistical nightmare, you know, ahead of the election, and

758
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,640
Speaker 2: to say that it won't have any impact whatsoever is ridiculous.

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00:38:23,640 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: We just don't know yet what it will be. But yeah,

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00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: heart goes out to these people, because what a mess.

761
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 2: You know, both of the election people and then also

762
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 2: those who want to vote. We all know what bureaucracy is.

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00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: Like they are maybe going to try and vote wherever

764
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: they went to, in their relative's house or whatever. We're

765
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 2: going to face issues. So the state's going to have

766
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Speaker 2: to step up and make sure that something can happen.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's a lot to say about this.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, you have to think like

769
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: the people that we show to, do you think that

770
00:38:46,520 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 1: their top priority right now is like how do I vote?

771
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,360
Speaker 1: They're like, how do I eat? How do I survive?

772
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: How do I put a roof over my head? How

773
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 1: do I make sure that my loved ones are still

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Speaker 1: alive and fine? So it's probably not top priority right now.

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00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: But then there are these really key logistical issues. So

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00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 1: this is a weird there's a sort of weird butterfly

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00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: effect thing here that happened. To take you into the backstory,

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00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 1: their absentee ballots were actually supposed to go out weeks earlier,

779
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: so would have been out and in voters' hands, presumably

780
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: before Hurricane Helene hit. However, RFK Junior, after endorsed Trump,

781
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: wanted to be taken off the ballot and went to

782
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: court and sued in order to get taken off the

783
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Speaker 1: ballot in North Carolina. The legal system agreed with him.

784
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Speaker 1: But that meant that since the ballots were already printed,

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00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 1: North Carolina sends out their absentee ballots. You know, they're

786
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: really on the early side in terms of when those

787
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,720
Speaker 1: goes out go out. They had to restart the process

788
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: reprint those ballots, and that delayed those ballots sufficient amount

789
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: of time so that they're going out right at the

790
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: time basically that Hurricane Helene hits. So there's that. Then,

791
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: as Saga was known, you have post office that was flooded.

792
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: You also have many polling locations that are either destroyed, inaccessible, etc.

793
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: So even you know the roadways, you guys have seen

794
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: the pictures of money the highways washed out, like it's

795
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: very difficult to get anywhere in that region right now.

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Speaker 4: And then you have polling locations that have been destroyed.

797
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Speaker 1: Then the Republican controlled state legislature actually made it more

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Speaker 1: difficult last year to be able to take emergency actions

799
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Speaker 1: like being able to change polling locations in an emergency.

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Speaker 1: This is part of the like stop the steel fallout,

801
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 1: so they specifically made it more difficult for the election

802
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 1: board staff to take emergency actions like allowing counties to

803
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,479
Speaker 1: swap out one polling location for another. They also changed

804
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: state law or require absentee ballots to arrive in their

805
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 1: county no later than election dates, so there's no grace

806
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,759
Speaker 1: period now to deal with this sort of catastrophe that

807
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 1: is unfolded. That used to allow any ballot postmark by

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00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:01,160
Speaker 1: that day to drive up to three days later. So

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00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: you know, that's made it even more difficult to be

810
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: able to get the machinery of the election working here

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00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 1: in western North Carolina in particular.

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00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 4: You know, other states are affected as well.

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Speaker 1: We're focusing a lot of North Carolina, but Georgia, Florida,

814
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Speaker 1: also South Carolina also very much affected. But this area

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Speaker 1: could be the most consequential, you know, in terms of

816
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: the electoral politics. And it's it's it's quite it's a disaster.

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00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: I mean again, this is like the least of the

818
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,600
Speaker 1: concerns of the people that are there. But we would

819
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 1: be negligent if we didn't note that this could for

820
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: sure have a political impact.

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Speaker 6: Thing.

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Speaker 2: Go let's turn now to the vice presidential debate, where

823
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 2: we have some polling in now about who won, who lost,

824
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Speaker 2: who was more favorable, who did better on the issues.

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00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,160
Speaker 2: Let's put this up there on the screen from CBS News.

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Speaker 2: I talked a little bit about this in our post show,

827
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Speaker 2: but it does show the partisanship is alive and well

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Speaker 2: in America. Who won the vice presidential debate forty two percent, JD.

829
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Speaker 2: Vans forty one percent, Tim Wall seventeen percent.

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00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: It was a tie. If we continue along.

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Speaker 2: The issues, what do we see who did a better

832
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: job talking about abortion? So sixty two percent of viewers

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00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 2: said Wals did compare to Jdvans at thirty eight percent.

834
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Speaker 2: You will note that's roughly where abortion favorability ratings and

835
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Speaker 2: support for pro life, for pro choices healthcare fifty nine

836
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Speaker 2: percent for Walls, and for Dvance fifty nine percent versus

837
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 2: forty one. Conflict in the Middle East was a fifty

838
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 2: to fifty Economy was forty nine fifty one, with Vans

839
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 2: taking the edge, and then immigration was forty eight fifty two.

840
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 2: So not a lot of surprise in terms of where

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Speaker 2: they are, and they break down very much long partisan lines.

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00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: Let's go to the next one here, Favorable opinion of candidates.

843
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 2: So before the debate, Tim Waals was at fifty two.

844
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Speaker 2: After the debate, he was at sixty before the debate.

845
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Speaker 2: Jadvance was at forty. After the debate he was at

846
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 2: forty nine. So actually a rough equivalent increase in the

847
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: favorability of both of those candidates. Of course Tim Walls

848
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 2: experiencing these sixty percent and then find something that I

849
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,439
Speaker 2: talked a little bit about last time.

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 3: Let's put the next one up.

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00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 2: There is just about who won the debate when you

852
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 2: compare it to the past. So this was actually CNN's snapshot.

853
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 2: It had Walts at forty nine and Vance at fifty one.

854
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: But if you compare the Vance the Advance performance compared

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00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 2: to pass Republicans, it's actually pretty significant. Fifty nine percent

856
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 2: has said Kamala Harris beat Mike Pence, forty two percent

857
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 2: said Kane beat Roughly it was forty eight percent Pence,

858
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: then forty two percent there for Tim Kaine, for Biden

859
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: Ryan it was forty eight forty four with Ryan and

860
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: then Biden. Palin was fifty one thirty six, So Sarah

861
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: Palin of course taking the last, but Jad does a

862
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 2: nudge out fifty one and forty nine so the best

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00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: performance there within the last what is it last fourteen

864
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: to fifteen years something like that. So yeah, roughly, oh,

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Speaker 2: I forgot we didn't include this, but there was there

866
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Speaker 2: was a poll it was like will this impact your vote?

867
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Speaker 3: And only one percent said yes, As.

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Speaker 2: We always try and tell you you're the VP debate, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 2: they just don't make a big impact here.

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Speaker 3: I mean in country.

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Speaker 4: There's something interesting here.

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Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, I think people it was

873
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty, not just in this poll, but a

874
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: lot of other polls. I think people were kind of

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00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 1: like impressed with JD came off a lot better than

876
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Speaker 1: he's come off and you know other instances on the

877
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 1: campaign trail where it's just been consistently and attack dog mode.

878
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 1: But I think they also found Tim Walls to be

879
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: just like nice and relatable. You know, even his being

880
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: nervous at the beginning is like if he's he's not

881
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: just putting on the character of the Auschucks, what am

882
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: I doing here? Like if you really are that person,

883
00:44:36,680 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: you would be nervous at the beginning. So I think

884
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 1: people just there was a weird thing saga where I

885
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: think the normally reaction was like Oh, this is so

886
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:49,760
Speaker 1: much more normal and respectful than the Trump Harris debate,

887
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:53,399
Speaker 1: and why can't we have this type of politics? But then,

888
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: on the other hand, when you look at the polling

889
00:44:56,680 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 1: of how Trump's pulling versus how every you just sort

890
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: of like, standard issue, more normal Republican is pulling in

891
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: the Senate races, he's doing better than JR.

892
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 4: So it's like, you know, people profess that they would

893
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 4: rather have.

894
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: This more sort of like normal, more boring exchange, but

895
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: then what they actually vote for and find appealing, like

896
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: on some level they also want the show. So there's

897
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,400
Speaker 1: some internal contradictions going on.

898
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 3: Very astute and correct observation.

899
00:45:24,760 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: I actually said that, I was like, you know, watching

900
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 2: that to somebody like me, I'm educated, I you know,

901
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 2: come from an upper middle class family. I look at that,

902
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: I'm like, Wow, that actually seems very attractive. You got

903
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 2: somebody who's like decently high IQ can articulate a position

904
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 2: that these people allegedly want you have. Tim Wall seems

905
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:45,440
Speaker 2: like a nice enough guy. I don't see anything particularly

906
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:47,640
Speaker 2: wrong with that. But then you ask Republican voters what

907
00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 2: they love most about Trump, and it's the circus like,

908
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,400
Speaker 2: let's all just be honest about what's happening here and

909
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 2: about what is most animating for not even Republican voters,

910
00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 2: but for the vast majority of the people who do

911
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 2: vote for If you look at the amount of turnout

912
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,239
Speaker 2: that Trump has been able to drive in American politics,

913
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:09,920
Speaker 2: it is historical, I mean especially compared to George W.

914
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: Bush, to any so called normal politicians.

915
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 2: So I think this is a classic example of people

916
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 2: who allegedly say that they want one thing.

917
00:46:17,120 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 3: But it's kind of like social media. If you tell.

918
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,760
Speaker 2: Everybody like, oh, my social media algorithm, I don't seek

919
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: out rage content.

920
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 3: That's for other people. It's like, well you do.

921
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 2: Statistically you do, and statistically it's what gets you to

922
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,839
Speaker 2: perform or to spend more time on the platform, so

923
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: your actions are much better predictors. And I think that, Look,

924
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good thing, you know, per se,

925
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 2: but it is clear, like I think it's a reflection

926
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:47,760
Speaker 2: of what people actually want, and their voting behavior shows

927
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:51,520
Speaker 2: us this quite clearly. Trump is polarizing in a sense

928
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: where people hate him love coming out to vote, and

929
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 2: people who love him also love to come out to vote.

930
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:58,720
Speaker 2: And that's why twenty twenty was one of the highest

931
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: voter turnouts in modern American history. So I think the

932
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: truth is is that everybody who professes wanting to return

933
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 2: to this. There was another thing I also saw, which

934
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: is some teenagers who came of age during Trump. This

935
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,400
Speaker 2: is purely anecdotal, but I saw, you know, some analysis

936
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 2: floating around there. They're like, oh, mom, Dad, that was

937
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: so boring, And yeah, it was boring, you know in

938
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,799
Speaker 2: a traditional sense. I guess the Rush Act test is

939
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,400
Speaker 2: like what do you prefer? Do you want boring politics

940
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,399
Speaker 2: or not. There's pluses and minuses, I think, to both sides.

941
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: But it does tell me about Trump's power, and you

942
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 2: can see that in all of the neck to neck polling,

943
00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: for all of his downsides, he is just the most

944
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 2: singular candidate in modern history, and he's changed everything about

945
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 2: the way that we look at the president's.

946
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: I mean, in some ways this is like Trump's central

947
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 1: insight is that even though people may say like, oh,

948
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: I liked the Jdvan, like the respectful tone of the debate,

949
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 1: and I want the decorum and whatever, they also can't

950
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 1: resist the show. And I don't put myself above this either,

951
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: Like everyone's the same, was it more fun to talk

952
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: about the you know, like insane cats and dogs debate.

953
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 4: What did I have more to say about that? Did

954
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 4: we like, you know, did.

955
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 1: We have more energy around that and probably do a

956
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: lot more blocks on way? Yeah, we did because it

957
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: was more interesting, even though obviously the content of the

958
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: policy ideas that were articulated by Walls and JD. Vance

959
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: are important, although you know they're the vice president, so

960
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: how important are they?

961
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 4: Also in the Grodthers that plays into it as well.

962
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 1: But Trump has this view of the world that all

963
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:36,239
Speaker 1: attention is good attention, all controversy is good like no

964
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 1: publicity is bad policy.

965
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:38,720
Speaker 4: That's his view of the world.

966
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: Now I think sometimes he takes that too far, like

967
00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 1: for example, the Haitian pet's thing he thought was good

968
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: for him, It was not good for him.

969
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 4: Right, there are ways you can go too far with that.

970
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: But that was kind of his central insight into American

971
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: politics is that no, you people profess that you want

972
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:55,719
Speaker 1: the decorum, you want the norms, you want the niceties

973
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: and the civil discourse, but you don't. You don't you

974
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 1: want the messy show. And that's what I'm going to

975
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 1: give you. And you know that's been one of the

976
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 1: kind of defining characteristics of the Trump era. And to

977
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:15,040
Speaker 1: your point about the teenagers, like, for young people today,

978
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: that's all they know of American politics, is it just

979
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,439
Speaker 1: being this messy, outrageous reality show.

980
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 4: And it's the.

981
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: Bar also becomes higher and higher for what is even

982
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: going to grab people's attention and have that shock value,

983
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: because we're also becoming so anored to like constant shock

984
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 1: value in our politics that things don't rate in the

985
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:40,279
Speaker 1: same way. But I just go back to you know,

986
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 1: I don't know that Trump will win the selection. He's

987
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:44,719
Speaker 1: certainly in a position to have a shot to do it.

988
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: I do think he's probably a little bit behind right

989
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,000
Speaker 1: now in terms of the battleground states. It's very difficult

990
00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: to say because it's so ultimately close. But if you

991
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 1: look at the Republican Senate candidates, they are all underperforming

992
00:49:56,040 --> 00:49:58,839
Speaker 1: Donald Trump, all of them across the.

993
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,719
Speaker 4: Board as far as I know. So what does that

994
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:02,400
Speaker 4: tell you.

995
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: About what people really want in our politics? And you know,

996
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: although they may profess to appreciate that sort of more

997
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: dignified debate, when it comes down to it, there's a

998
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: lot of people out there who are interested in the

999
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 1: show and gravitate towards the show and like the show,

1000
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: and like the aggressiveness of it and the nastiness of

1001
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: it and.

1002
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 4: All of that.

1003
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I mean I think it's an elite thing.

1004
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 3: I genuinely do.

1005
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 2: It's that an old In the modern two thousands the

1006
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:33,399
Speaker 2: nineteen nineties, elite gatekeepers had much more control on who

1007
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 2: was able to make it into politics and not.

1008
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:37,360
Speaker 3: It was a much less democratic system.

1009
00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:40,920
Speaker 2: In the modern media environment, most people can vote not

1010
00:50:40,960 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 2: only with their eyeballs, but literally with their ability to

1011
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 2: engage in the process, and then with the Internet. They

1012
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: chose Donald Trump. Really it was like the first like

1013
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: truly modern candidate in this sense, and that is why

1014
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: he is outperforming everybody. He even has a higher favorability

1015
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 2: than jad I mean, to me, that's nuts. That's actually

1016
00:50:58,560 --> 00:51:00,799
Speaker 2: crazy that you can look and be like, you know what,

1017
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: between these two individuals, Trump is the one that should

1018
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:04,240
Speaker 2: be president.

1019
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:05,280
Speaker 3: But I'm not dumb.

1020
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 2: I know that's the base circus instinct. It's a tame

1021
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 2: tale as old as time. You go back and you

1022
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: read about Rome and about what got the mob all

1023
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 2: jazzed up and why they wanted to through who they

1024
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 2: eventually just started to back, and I think it does

1025
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 2: tell you something. At the same time, you know, the

1026
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:27,040
Speaker 2: caution is that that circus and all that does ignite

1027
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 2: such passion in an equal number of the electorate that

1028
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 2: you do risk actually defeat at the ballot box.

1029
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 3: And so for this, you know, we talked about that

1030
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:38,439
Speaker 3: election moment.

1031
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:42,280
Speaker 2: The Kamala Harris campaign immediately ended up cutting an ad

1032
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: about the JD answer on whether Trump won the election.

1033
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: C Five Let's take a lesson.

1034
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 12: It's really rich for democratic leaders to say that Donald

1035
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,360
Speaker 12: Trump is a unique threat to democracy when he peacefully

1036
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 12: gave over power.

1037
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 3: He is still saying he didn't lose the election. I

1038
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,919
Speaker 3: would just says to that, did he lose the twenty

1039
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 3: twenty election, Tim, I'm focused on the future. That is

1040
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 3: a damning non answer, America.

1041
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,320
Speaker 2: I think you've got a really clear choice of who's

1042
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:16,799
Speaker 2: going to honor that democracy and who's going to honor

1043
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: Donald Trump. So look, I mean, we knew at the

1044
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 2: moment that that was going to be turned into it

1045
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 2: and that's exactly what's happening. We see it all around.

1046
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: We see it all in the battleground states. If you

1047
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 2: look at the midterm elections that was a major issue

1048
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 2: why Republicans underperformed, and I do think it remains a

1049
00:52:35,520 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: risk for Trump, especially because a lot of these constituencies

1050
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 2: who he's gaining with, like younger Latino or black men.

1051
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 2: Here's the truth, they don't vote statistically as much as

1052
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 2: seniors and upper middle class whites.

1053
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 3: Those people vote in DROs.

1054
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 5: Now.

1055
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that they won't vote.

1056
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: It's just a lot riskier to pace your electoral ambitions

1057
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:02,799
Speaker 2: amongst non voters or infrequent voters. You would always want

1058
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:05,799
Speaker 2: to bank people who are like very civically engaged, and

1059
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 2: that is a message very geared towards them. The type

1060
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: of folks will order their mail in ballot or the

1061
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 2: type of people we covered in Northern Virginia who mile

1062
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 2: you know, will line up for a mile on day

1063
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: one of early voting just to make sure that they

1064
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,839
Speaker 2: can bank their vote.

1065
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,239
Speaker 3: So that's the risk we'll see.

1066
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's no doubt that was the moment

1067
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,360
Speaker 1: that will be most remembered from this debate. Do I

1068
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: think it'll be electorally consequential, Not really, because I do

1069
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: feel like people feel about Donald Trump however they feel

1070
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, being reminded of stop the steal.

1071
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: Being reminded of January sixth isn't going to change any

1072
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: minds at this point. The people who are on there

1073
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 1: who are still undecided, I think, are more likely to

1074
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: be deciding on economic issues, bread and.

1075
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,680
Speaker 4: Butter issues, potentially whether we're getting.

1076
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: Dragged into a war in the Middle East, you know,

1077
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: those sorts of things. If the port strike ends up

1078
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 1: impacting the economy, some other unforeseen thing that happens between

1079
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: now an election to I doubt that at this point

1080
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:05,240
Speaker 1: that really moves the needle.

1081
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 4: To me, it's more of a warning sign for uh.

1082
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: If this election is close, I don't think there's any

1083
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 1: doubt that Trump is going to try to pull the

1084
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: same thing again. And you know, Jade Vance was put

1085
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: on this ticket with the assumption that he would stick

1086
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,760
Speaker 1: with Donald Trump through all of those you know, election

1087
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: lies in a way that Mike Pence ultimately at the

1088
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: end of the day didn't. And so this was I

1089
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: think indication number one that he may Right then he's

1090
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,360
Speaker 1: up there on the debate stage and he's faced directly

1091
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: with the question did he win? He can't, says he

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Speaker 1: knows what Donald Trump wants him to do, and he's

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Speaker 1: going to stick with that through thick or thin, And

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Speaker 1: you know, for JD in his future career and whatever,

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Speaker 1: it is, like probably the determination of that is not

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Speaker 1: going to be made in this campaign. It's going to

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Speaker 1: be made if Trump loses and goes down the same direction,

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Speaker 1: which if he loses, he will go down the same direction.

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Speaker 4: How he handles that moment.

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Speaker 1: Because obviously it's like it's the no one situation. Either

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Speaker 1: end up with Mike pen in Mike pence Land where

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00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: the Republican base hates you and once you.

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Speaker 4: Literally did, or you know, you're all in with the.

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Speaker 1: Most the greatest insanity you can possibly imagine, and then

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Speaker 1: you can kiss any sort of like mainstream respectability goodbye.

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Speaker 1: And the truth of the matter is that while Trump

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Speaker 1: can get away with those sorts of things, no other

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Speaker 1: politician has shown an ability to. So it's a it's

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Speaker 1: a very you know, if they win and he'll you know,

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Speaker 1: that's a different scenario, and that's very possible, right if

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Speaker 1: they lose. I don't think there's any ultimate winning for

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Speaker 1: JD vance out of this.

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Speaker 2: Politics is about gambles. The gamble was that Biden was president.

1114
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Speaker 2: They're easily going to cream him and it would be

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Speaker 2: a very you know, easy cruise to the nomination, I

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Speaker 2: guess in twenty twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: In this case, Yeah, if he loses, I've always that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's a problem just because you have to

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Speaker 2: endorse stop the steal which were really put off, no matter,

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Speaker 2: especially if we do it twice.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can you imagine the exhaustion.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and if they were man like, this show doesn't

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Speaker 1: go on forever and this.

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Speaker 2: Well, Trump will be around though, no matter what, until

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Speaker 2: the day he dies, and so he will basically does

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Speaker 2: he will demand if he doesn't run again, that at

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Speaker 2: the very least, whoever his successor is, has to pick

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Speaker 2: up that mantle. The question will be the ability to

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Speaker 2: people pull away from it. I don't think that will exist.

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Speaker 2: I think the Republican electorate will stick with him if

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00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,960
Speaker 2: he does win, though then of course, you know, this

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00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 2: debate performance and others was significantly was good for him,

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Speaker 2: especially inside of the campaign.

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Speaker 3: Probably a good segue.

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Speaker 2: Then to the actual polls where the election is right now,

1136
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Speaker 2: all right, let's go ahead and start with the first one,

1137
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 2: which is about kind of the themes of the actual

1138
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:56,520
Speaker 2: debate itself around working class support, where people are trending

1139
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Speaker 2: in more.

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Speaker 3: Harry Enton Over at CNN had a good summary of this.

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Speaker 3: Let's listen, it ain't.

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Speaker 6: What it used to be.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 11: You go back to nineteen ninety two, Bill Clinton won

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Speaker 11: that union vote by thirty points. Hillary Clinton only won

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Speaker 11: it by twelve points back in twenty sixteen. That was

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Speaker 11: the lowest mark for a Democrat since nineteen eighty four

1148
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Speaker 11: Mondale versus Reagan. But look at where Kamala Harris is today.

1149
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Speaker 11: She's only leading.

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Speaker 3: By nine points.

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Speaker 11: That would be the worst Democratic performance in a generation,

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Speaker 11: ten points off the mark of Joe Biden, who of

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Speaker 11: course won four years ago, was sort of that union

1154
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 11: guy Union Joe right won it by nineteen points. She's

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Speaker 11: ten points off his mark. And the worst in a

1156
00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 11: generation is margin among vocational and trade school of grads

1157
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Speaker 11: and pre election pullo, Bill Clinton was leading that vote

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Speaker 11: over George H. W. Bush by seven points. Look at

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Speaker 11: where Donald Trump is today over Kamala Harris, a thirty

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Speaker 11: one point advantage. When I think people think of the

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Speaker 11: working class, they think of people who use their hands.

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Speaker 11: And we know that Donald Trump has been going after

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Speaker 11: that vote and he is in a very very strong position.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's one that it's obviously been tracked for quite

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Speaker 2: a long time. But when you put it together with

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Speaker 2: the Latino vote as well, those are probably the two

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Speaker 2: biggest changes in modern politics. Let's put that on the

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Speaker 2: screen please. This is from NBC News's poll Telemundo. This

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00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 2: is specifically with Latinos. It shows that Republicans now have

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Speaker 2: some thirty seven percent of Latinos backing the party, as

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Speaker 2: opposed to just forty nine percent for the Democrats, first

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Speaker 2: time that they're under fifty in modern politics. Twenty three

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Speaker 2: percent supporting Latinos supporting Trump back in twenty twenty fifty

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Speaker 2: four percent Democrat. Twenty sixteen it was lower, it was

1175
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Speaker 2: twenty versus fifty nine, and in twenty twelve it was

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Speaker 2: actually twenty one and sixty two. So that massive increase

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Speaker 2: in Latino support, some fifteen points in the span of

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Speaker 2: just a decade or so, is very significant for the

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Speaker 2: Republican Party. It also does if you split it apart

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Speaker 2: with men. That's where things get even more interesting, because

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00:58:50,000 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 2: Mattaglaci is actually out with the piece today about how

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Speaker 2: to win back mail votes, and he talks specifically about

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00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,000
Speaker 2: how if you look at men and basically all demographic groups.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's every geographic group except for black men

1185
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Speaker 2: that there has been huge increases in Republican support. A

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00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: lot of this is gender gap stuff, which we've talked

1187
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 2: about like ad nauseum here on the show, but it

1188
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 2: is indicative of like where things go and for what

1189
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 2: messaging is. There's a reason why the whole January sixth

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Speaker 2: thing is very targeted for these more like upper middle

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00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 2: class and white voters. Not to say that people don't

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00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,160
Speaker 2: care about it, just statistically that's going to be the

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Speaker 2: main one. Abortion to you know, generally aligns with educational

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Speaker 2: levels if you look at it.

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Speaker 3: And then on immigration, it's the flip side.

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Speaker 2: And I think that probably is the number one reason

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Speaker 2: why you see this increase in working class support is

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Speaker 2: because of the bifurcation between the parties on the issue

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Speaker 2: of immigration and it being the true like irreconcilable issue

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Speaker 2: for the GOP and then same for abortion amongst the Democrats.

1201
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Speaker 2: So anyway, I think I think it's fascinating just nonetheless,

1202
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Speaker 2: and no, don't let anyone tell you that American politics

1203
00:59:57,400 --> 01:00:00,439
Speaker 2: can't change, you know, like this this whole four year's

1204
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:03,680
Speaker 2: idea from James Carville was nonsense. The Obama coalition fell

1205
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Speaker 2: apart in a single generation.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason they called it the Obama coal Listen, Yeah,

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01:00:09,120 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: they only want to bullet.

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Speaker 4: I mean that man won.

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01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,600
Speaker 3: Indiana, right like Ohio. Of course, Ohio.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it was a totally different.

1212
01:00:18,120 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 1: Of course, he didn't win Georgia, didn't win Arizona. The

1213
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: map has shifted dramatically. But yeah, I mean the college

1214
01:00:25,680 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 1: divide has become a central one.

1215
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Speaker 4: And you know, there are some things.

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01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,280
Speaker 1: That really challenge my view of politics and what I

1217
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: would like to see because the Biden administration, if we

1218
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 1: look at the economics, they've been way better than the

1219
01:00:44,760 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: Obama administration, way better than in my opinion, any on

1220
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 1: the on the long term like industrial policy, labor policy,

1221
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 1: anti trust policy, they've been way better than any president

1222
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Speaker 1: in my lifetime. Now, I think in the short term stuff,

1223
01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: I think they screwed up a lot, right because the

1224
01:01:00,600 --> 01:01:03,920
Speaker 1: entire COVID safety net is dismantled under them, you have inflation,

1225
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:06,439
Speaker 1: you have an inability to deal with that or really

1226
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: articulate what's going on. They're not pointing fingers at the

1227
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Speaker 1: corporations who are gouging people not taking any action, not

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Speaker 1: taking a lot of action. I shouldn't say any not

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01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 1: taking a lot of action or reign that in and

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Speaker 1: you know that certainly plays into this. I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of the we're going to talk about some numbers

1232
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Speaker 1: of the out of Philadelphia that show that the lowest

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Speaker 1: income areas are the places that are shifting right within

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:34,520
Speaker 1: the city. And I do think the immediate like inflation

1235
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Speaker 1: numbers have to do with that. But I also do

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Speaker 1: think that our politics is just it's becoming totally de aligned.

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Speaker 1: It's becoming very much about these cultural issues, which the

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01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 1: liberal set of cultural issues tends, like you said, zagerb,

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01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,200
Speaker 1: more to align with like higher education levels, and the

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01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 1: conservative cultural landscape tends to align more with like high school,

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Speaker 1: trade school, et cetera. And that's truly becoming the central divide.

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Speaker 1: And the union numbers are the most indicative of that,

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01:02:06,120 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: because it continues to be the case that union membership

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 1: is more likely to lead you in the direction of

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Speaker 1: voting democratic. But you know what we saw with like

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Speaker 1: the Teamsters not endorsing and the union vote in terms

1247
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: of the rank and file shifting to the right, so

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Speaker 1: that Democrats are only more narrowly leading in that vote.

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Speaker 1: It does indicate because you have a very clear divide

1250
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Speaker 1: between the parties in terms of union issues. It just

1251
01:02:32,080 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 1: does indicate that the cultural issues what some political scientists

1252
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:41,440
Speaker 1: call like status issues, have become more central to American

1253
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: politics than economic issues. And it makes some sense when

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Speaker 1: you feel like neither party, no matter who's in power,

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01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,480
Speaker 1: is really delivering for you economically, you can at least

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Speaker 1: feel like you have, you know, a cultural warrior on

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Speaker 1: your side on those issues. And I don't want to

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01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:57,960
Speaker 1: pretend like those issues don't matter either, Like certainly a

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01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: lot of people, women in particular, feel that abortion rights

1260
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Speaker 1: matter quite a bit in terms of their life and

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Speaker 1: their ability to make their choices. But you know, Trump

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Speaker 1: is a big part of crystallizing this trend. But it's

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Speaker 1: also a trend that we see across advanced democracies and

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Speaker 1: across like Western society, and it's a trend that in

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Speaker 1: some ways predates Trump as well.

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Speaker 4: This realignment.

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Speaker 1: So as with many things, I think he's an accelerant,

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Speaker 1: but he's not entirely the entirety of the story that's

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Speaker 1: going on here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've recommended this book a million times The Age

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Speaker 2: of Acrimony, How Americans fought to fix their democracy eighteen

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Speaker 2: sixty five to nineteen fifteen.

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Speaker 3: It was written just in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 2: But the central story of post Civil War America and

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Speaker 2: the reason why the Gilded Age was allowed to happen,

1276
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Speaker 2: is because the central dividing line in American politics was

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Speaker 2: basically reconstruction and whether black people should have rights and

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Speaker 2: Jim Crow should be allowed.

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Speaker 3: That was it, that was all we thought about.

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Speaker 2: It led to the rise of Southern populism, you know,

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Speaker 2: down in the South, and the segregation and the rise

1282
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Speaker 2: of Jim Crow on top of in the North, and

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Speaker 2: how much we hated the South, and at the same time,

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Speaker 2: mass industrialization was allowed to happen. But the sad part

1285
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Speaker 2: is that that actually is the time when Americans were

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Speaker 2: most engaged. It was not on the progressive reformer issues.

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Speaker 2: That took decades of fighting basically about black rights before

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Speaker 2: we ever had a conversation about it. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's similar today with abortion and with immigration. These questions

1290
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: just have to be solved. One side has to win,

1291
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Speaker 2: then we will litigate. And unfortunately that's just the way

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Speaker 2: that things are going. I mean, as you said, you

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Speaker 2: know with The Philadelphia Inquirer wrote the story, I mean,

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Speaker 2: this is the educational divide. Let's put this up there

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Speaker 2: please on the screen. In deep blue Philly, working class

1296
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Speaker 2: voters are shifting towards Republicans. But it's not just saying

1297
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:51,800
Speaker 2: working class voters. It really is bifurcated on income. Go

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Speaker 2: to the next part because this shows the slide more

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Speaker 2: than anything else. If you see here, average net Republican

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01:04:59,160 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 2: vote shift sixteen to twenty twenty, so just four years

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01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,160
Speaker 2: zero to ten percent in poverty minus twenty five, towards

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01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 2: Democrats zero to sixteen percent minus twenty twenty Democrats sixteen

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01:05:09,280 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 2: to twenty four percent minus nine. But then once you

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Speaker 2: get to the twenty four and thirty five percent of

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Speaker 2: shriff residents in poverty, swing of thirteen points amongst Republicans,

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Speaker 2: and the most significant is thirty five percent or more.

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Speaker 3: Thirty five percent or more.

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Speaker 2: Think about what that means of shriff residence in poverty

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Speaker 2: precincts have now shifted plus forty seven towards Republican. Of course,

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Speaker 2: in our modern economy, that is almost entirely indicative of

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Speaker 2: what educational levels look like, and that tells us that

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Speaker 2: these cultural issues are the number one reason that people

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Speaker 2: are either shifting right or left and is what determining

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Speaker 2: them to come out and to vote. And so when

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Speaker 2: you see this, I fully expect this to replicate all

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Speaker 2: across the US. And it also tells us why the

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Speaker 2: Sun Belt would drift a little bit more democrat.

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Speaker 3: These are the most dynamic areas. This is where the

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Speaker 3: net population influor are all people who are college educated.

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Speaker 2: It's also why the Midwest, the Midwest is going to

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Speaker 2: have a lot more working class white support, but the

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Speaker 2: will only be offset potentially by upper middle class law

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Speaker 2: white liberals and or seniors who are a whole other

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Speaker 2: you know thing that happens in America. But the point

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Speaker 2: is is that when the boomers die off, this is

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Speaker 2: what America is most likely going to look like.

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Speaker 1: To me, one of the most interesting things happening in

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Speaker 1: American politics, as sort of an experiment, is happening in Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: where we've covered this Senate race. The Democrats just basically decided, like,

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Speaker 1: we're not going to win a Senate race in Nebraska,

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Speaker 1: so we're not going to even try. And there's an

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Speaker 1: independent Populace Counterpoints interviewed him named Dan Osborne, who was

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Speaker 1: a strike leader, like very grounded in the labor movement.

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Speaker 1: Populist economics are like the.

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Speaker 4: Core of his pitch.

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Speaker 1: He wants to secure the borders. He sort of tries

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Speaker 1: to be more or less neutral on cultural issues, although

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Speaker 1: he is, you know, has expressed himself being pro choice,

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Speaker 1: but really leans into that labor populism.

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Speaker 4: And the latest.

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Speaker 1: Poll that just came out, I don't know if a

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Speaker 1: zacurate or not has them up five points. An independent

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01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: Senate candidate running on like a you know, less populist

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01:07:17,160 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: agenda and minimizing some of the cultural issues is winning

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Speaker 1: or close in the state of Nebraska. And so if

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Speaker 1: you're looking for, like what's the path forward, that seems

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Speaker 1: like in the red states where the Democratic Party is

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01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 1: just poison for like and frankly a lot of understandable

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01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:41,320
Speaker 1: reasons where it's just poison, that seems to be a

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01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:42,880
Speaker 1: pretty good playbook.

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Speaker 4: For them to run.

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Speaker 1: So that's the place that I'm watching with the most

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01:07:46,280 --> 01:07:51,160
Speaker 1: fascination in terms of like, you know, democratic experiments and

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01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:55,200
Speaker 1: what could what could also kind of shake. Imagine he

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01:07:55,400 --> 01:07:59,280
Speaker 1: ends up being the fiftieth vote. Imagine how much power

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Speaker 1: this union worker labor leader, strike leader. Imagine how much

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Speaker 1: political power he ends up. Instead of Joe Manchin, we

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01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 1: have Dan Osborne. Like, it can't possibly happen because it

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01:08:10,840 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: would be too exciting and too good. But the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's even in the running is I think quite

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01:08:16,360 --> 01:08:19,919
Speaker 1: an extraordinary development, and you know, should be an indication

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Speaker 1: of some good directions to go in that really could

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01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: kind of shake some of the bedrock foundation of the

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01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,759
Speaker 1: two party system anyway, would be incredibly helpful.

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Speaker 2: You can always learn a lot from people like that.

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Speaker 2: Even if he doesn't win. Let's see what marginie puts up.

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Speaker 2: If he comes within two, that should be something that

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Speaker 2: tells you. This is also why national parties need to

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Speaker 2: let go of a lot of litmus tests. Who I

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Speaker 2: think his name was Brian Sandebal. He was that governor

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Speaker 2: of Nevada. He was pro choice and he was a Republican.

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Speaker 2: He was massively popular in twenty sixteen, totally ruled out

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Speaker 2: for because he was pro choice. I remember looking at

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01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 2: approval rating and being like, Hey, we've got a Latino

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01:08:54,560 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 2: Republican governor here with like a plus seventy percent approval rating,

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 2: and we're all just going to pretend he's not Nash.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's the thing. You get ruled out.

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Speaker 2: I also forget who the governor was of louis I

1379
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:07,280
Speaker 2: think it was Louisiana.

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Speaker 3: He was a Democrat, John.

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01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,120
Speaker 4: Bell l Edwards.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, John Bell Edwards. But he's pro life and

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01:09:12,920 --> 01:09:15,519
Speaker 2: so the same thing. It just gets totally ruled out.

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01:09:15,560 --> 01:09:17,960
Speaker 2: And something I always respected about Bernie is even as

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Speaker 2: earliest as latest twenty seventeen, he was endorsing pro life

1386
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,000
Speaker 2: Democrats as long as they were.

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Speaker 3: He got so much shit for it, but he was like, look,

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01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 3: these are the only people they can win.

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Speaker 2: I would rather they win as long as you know,

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01:09:31,439 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: they need to satisfy whatever things for their constituents, but

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Speaker 2: let's do it. And those people, actually, those people need

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01:09:37,840 --> 01:09:40,799
Speaker 2: to be more elevated by the National Party in my opinion,

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01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:45,000
Speaker 2: because in the future, if you want to contest more

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:48,879
Speaker 2: swinging areas, especially in a more fifty to fifty country

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01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: where people everyone's totally divided, that's the portrait of how

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Speaker 2: you actually break open, you know, something new. That's what

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Speaker 2: Trump did. That's what a lot of you know, this

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01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,000
Speaker 2: Belle Edwards and other figures. They were basically just kept

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Speaker 2: out of the national conversation only because of national party

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Speaker 2: litmus test, and I think that's really stupid.

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01:10:06,160 --> 01:10:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't think it works.

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01:10:07,240 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it would be pretty cool if we got

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01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: a new independent in the Senate and what that would mean,

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01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: and you know, if his was up for grabs, he

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01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 1: said to counterpoints, he didn't really plan on caucusing with

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Speaker 1: either party. And so one to watch for sure, one

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Speaker 1: to watch going forward. All right, we wanted to bring

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Speaker 1: you this really extraordinary interview between Tony easy Coats and

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01:10:32,760 --> 01:10:36,760
Speaker 1: Tony Dekopel of NBC News. And so Tony Easy of

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01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: course really rose to prominence as like a prominent intellectual

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01:10:41,240 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: based on first he wrote the Case for Reparations in

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01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: Atlantic Magazine, and then he's also an author of a

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01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:48,200
Speaker 1: number of books, and.

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Speaker 4: So he's most associated with like.

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Speaker 1: The anti racism movement, and in particular I think it's

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01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: fair and I don't know if.

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01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 4: He would object to this character.

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Speaker 1: He's sort of a race pessimist, right, the idea like

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,120
Speaker 1: this is the founding sin and you know, this is

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01:11:00,120 --> 01:11:02,559
Speaker 1: America's legacy and this is something we can never get over,

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Speaker 1: which I have disagreements with you certainly have.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you etcetera.

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Speaker 2: I despise him solely for that, regardless of what he says. Now,

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01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 2: I blame him actually for a huge amount of the

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01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 2: intellectual anti s racism revolution. But regardless, we can stick

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Speaker 2: to this subject for right now.

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Speaker 1: So he has a new book out called The Message,

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Speaker 1: and in it, I actually I've been reading it almost

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Speaker 1: all the way through it, and in it he tells

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Speaker 1: three different stories and the book. The central theme of

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01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 1: the book is basically that writers have a responsibility to

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Speaker 1: be to speak out for the voiceless, to tell stories

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Speaker 1: in a way that matters. And so he goes to

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Speaker 1: Senegal and talks about what that's like and what that

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Speaker 1: experience is like for him, reflecting on his ancestry and

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Speaker 1: the legacy of slavery. He talks about going to Columbia,

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Speaker 1: South Carolina, where a teacher was being viciously attacked for

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Speaker 1: teaching one of his books in the classroom in her

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01:12:02,479 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: I think ap English class. And then he goes to

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Speaker 1: Israel and he talks about Israel being an apartheid state,

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01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:16,160
Speaker 1: and is the largest section of the book, and it's also, obviously,

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01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: in the American political context, the most provocative. So what's

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01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,320
Speaker 1: interesting about Tanahi seacoats is that he was overwhelmingly celebrated

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01:12:27,640 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: for his previous work, you know, and really became like

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01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:34,519
Speaker 1: an insider, an insider you know, in these like elite

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01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,840
Speaker 1: circles and media circles, and beloved in those circles from

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Speaker 1: his previous work. Now he's telling a story that is

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01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable for them and that they don't want to hear,

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01:12:47,360 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: and that they don't celebrate, and is incredibly challenging and

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:55,080
Speaker 1: not often heard in Western media. So the result of

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Speaker 1: that tension is this interview right here. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 12: When I read the book, I imagine if I took

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01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:04,600
Speaker 12: your name out of it, took away the awards and

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01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:07,080
Speaker 12: the acclaim, took the cover off the book, the publishing

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 12: house goes away. The content of that section would not

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01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:13,480
Speaker 12: be out of place in the backpack of an extremist.

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01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 12: And so then I found myself wondering, why do is

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01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 12: Tanahashi Coates, who I've known for a long time, read,

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01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 12: has work for a long time, very talented, smart guy,

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Speaker 12: leave out so much? Why leave out that Israel is

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Speaker 12: surrounded by countries that want to eliminate it? Why leave

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01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 12: out that Israel deals with terror groups that want to

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Speaker 12: eliminate it. Why not detail anything of the first and

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Speaker 12: the second inti fat of the cafe bombings, the bus bombings,

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01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 12: the little kids blown to bits? And is it because

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Speaker 12: you just don't believe that Israel in any condition has

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Speaker 12: a right to exist.

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Speaker 13: Well, I would say the perspective that you just outlined,

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Speaker 13: there is no shortage of that perspective in American media.

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Speaker 6: That's the first thing I would say.

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Speaker 13: I am most concerned always with those who don't have

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Speaker 13: a voice, with those who don't have the ability to talk.

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01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 13: I have asked repeatedly in my interviews whether there is

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Speaker 13: a single network, mainstream organization in America with a Palestinian

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01:14:11,240 --> 01:14:14,439
Speaker 13: American bureau chief or correspondent who actually has a voice

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Speaker 13: to articulate their part.

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Speaker 6: Of the world. I've been a reporter for twenty years.

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Speaker 13: The reporters of those who believe more sympathetically about Israel

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:27,200
Speaker 13: and it's right to exist don't have a problem getting

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01:14:27,240 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 13: their voice out. But what I saw in Palestine, what

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Speaker 13: I saw on the West Bank, what I saw in

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Speaker 13: Haifa in Israel, what I saw in the South Heblin Hills,

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01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:38,360
Speaker 13: those were the stories that I have not heard, and

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01:14:38,360 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 13: those were the stories that I was most occupied with.

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Speaker 1: So that's basically the first question out of the gate.

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01:14:43,240 --> 01:14:46,040
Speaker 1: And by the way, I said, NBCs, CBS, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: basically accusing him of being a terrorist effectively and the

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01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: frame of the question to me is incredibly significant because

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01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: it gives up the game that if he didn't have

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01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,600
Speaker 1: this elite insider status that he can now trade on

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01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,880
Speaker 1: and effectively burn because that's what he's doing right now.

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01:15:02,920 --> 01:15:05,400
Speaker 1: All the political capitally built up in this world he's

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01:15:05,439 --> 01:15:08,880
Speaker 1: now burning through at a lightning pace because of what

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01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 1: he says in the message, Like he doesn't even get

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01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,080
Speaker 1: that interview, if he's not Tanahasey Coats, if he hasn't

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Speaker 1: won those awards, if he doesn't have that elite status,

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Speaker 1: And that's part of what his book doesn't say. You know,

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01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:26,400
Speaker 1: it's he's an excellent writer, it's well written, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: extraordinarily provocative in terms not provocative, but evocative in terms

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Speaker 1: of taking you into the life of a Palestinian living

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Speaker 1: in Israel or living in the occupied territories. So it's important,

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01:15:38,640 --> 01:15:42,320
Speaker 1: but it's not really new ground. What makes it incredibly

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01:15:42,360 --> 01:15:45,240
Speaker 1: important is because of who he is and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he's allowed into these rooms. So that was the

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01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 1: opening question out of the gate. I have another clip

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Speaker 1: that I'm going to show you, which is basically the

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Speaker 1: rest of the interview. Also, these formats of like five

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01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,599
Speaker 1: minute interviews are so absurd. But when it gets your

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01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:58,839
Speaker 1: reaction to that before we move, I just the second wile.

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Speaker 2: That's a wild thing to say, as I literally said,

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Speaker 2: I don't like Donnie Eastecast.

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01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:03,400
Speaker 3: I genuinely Belieme.

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Speaker 2: I think he might be the godfather of a lot

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01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 2: of the race problems that we have today. Don't That's

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01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,080
Speaker 2: not an exaggeration in terms of his That essay, the

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01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:15,320
Speaker 2: Case for Reparation single handedly radicalized every white girl on

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Speaker 2: a college campus who eventually ended up working at the

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Speaker 2: New York Times because of the BLM movement of all

1519
01:16:21,320 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: this other nonsense that we have today. So I again,

1520
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 2: I really do find him a villain in American politics.

1521
01:16:28,360 --> 01:16:31,400
Speaker 2: That said, I don't like him, and I would not

1522
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,120
Speaker 2: open with a question like that, because that's wild. It

1523
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,760
Speaker 2: would be an interrogation of the book itself, and not

1524
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:40,920
Speaker 2: to say something like that would belong.

1525
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 3: What did he say in an extremist a back that's

1526
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:45,639
Speaker 3: an insane thing to say.

1527
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 2: Especially considering that that guy didn't disclose a lot of

1528
01:16:49,160 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: his own biases whenever it comes to Israel.

1529
01:16:51,960 --> 01:16:54,760
Speaker 3: So that's another problem I think that was going into that.

1530
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:56,080
Speaker 3: Do you want to listen to the rest of it.

1531
01:16:56,240 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I just want to respond a little

1532
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,120
Speaker 1: bit since sure, I mean I disagree with his with

1533
01:17:02,280 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 1: the race pestimist view, but I don't know to be

1534
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:09,080
Speaker 1: so like call him a villain and evil and like

1535
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:12,160
Speaker 1: the problem in America is crazy.

1536
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 3: That Essay was the godfather of the anti.

1537
01:17:15,360 --> 01:17:18,800
Speaker 1: I mean, he's allowed to have perspective and what he wants.

1538
01:17:18,840 --> 01:17:20,080
Speaker 4: That doesn't make him a village.

1539
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,799
Speaker 1: And to acknowledge the like, you know, racism in America

1540
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:26,439
Speaker 1: and that this continues to be a legacy that matters today.

1541
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:29,559
Speaker 1: There's not like that's a noble thing to do. So

1542
01:17:29,640 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 1: the fact he comes to different conclusion than you were,

1543
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,759
Speaker 1: of course it's noble that he comes to a different

1544
01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:36,360
Speaker 1: conclusion than you or I.

1545
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,800
Speaker 4: I don't know, you're villainizing.

1546
01:17:37,439 --> 01:17:38,680
Speaker 1: Him in a way that's not that different from the

1547
01:17:38,720 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 1: way Tony Deols.

1548
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: I would say to his face. And I also wouldn't

1549
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,720
Speaker 2: call him an extremist. I would say I think your

1550
01:17:43,760 --> 01:17:46,519
Speaker 2: case for reparations would basically was the reason that we

1551
01:17:46,600 --> 01:17:50,680
Speaker 2: have all this DEI bullshit, and that you effectively radicalize

1552
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 2: a bunch of white liberals into thinking that racism is

1553
01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:54,800
Speaker 2: the single biggest problem.

1554
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 3: You coast absolutely.

1555
01:17:56,720 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: Over okay, the police that murdered George Floyd, over Donald

1556
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: Trump and all of his many provocations. I mean, I

1557
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,280
Speaker 1: just think that to lay the blame at the feet

1558
01:18:06,320 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 1: of one person is.

1559
01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:12,000
Speaker 2: Tonovan saying his pace for reparations again is what radicalized

1560
01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 2: a bunch of white liberals into thinking that burning the

1561
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 2: country down because a single cop murder George Floyd was

1562
01:18:17,560 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 2: a good idea or for everybody to start quoting Martin

1563
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:23,840
Speaker 2: Luther King in this all bullshit about like the riot

1564
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:26,280
Speaker 2: is the voice of the unheard, all of that stems

1565
01:18:26,280 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 2: from him.

1566
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 4: That is correct.

1567
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:29,759
Speaker 3: I'm not the only person who's.

1568
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,759
Speaker 1: Saying that is crazy to lay the blame. Okay again,

1569
01:18:32,000 --> 01:18:34,200
Speaker 1: He's allowed to hold his political questions that he has,

1570
01:18:34,240 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: and he's allowed to make, you know, a case in

1571
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 1: the Atlantic magazine or wherever for whatever he.

1572
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 5: Wants to be.

1573
01:18:39,479 --> 01:18:42,160
Speaker 1: He shouldn't got him more of a villain than a

1574
01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:46,479
Speaker 1: police officer that murdered someone for doing nothing is to

1575
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: me wild. But anyway, let's go ahead and move on

1576
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: to the rest of this interview, because this is also

1577
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: quite extraordinary because that was just the beginning. The opening

1578
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:58,600
Speaker 1: question is basically Archie a terrorist for thinking this, and

1579
01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: then the rest of it he goes on to insinuate

1580
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 1: that he's effectively an anti Semite, must be an anti

1581
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:04,800
Speaker 1: Semite for holding these views.

1582
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:05,800
Speaker 4: Let's take a listen to that.

1583
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:06,920
Speaker 6: But if you were to read.

1584
01:19:06,800 --> 01:19:10,080
Speaker 12: This book, you would be left wondering why does any

1585
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,719
Speaker 12: of Israel exist? What a horrific place, committing horrific acts

1586
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,599
Speaker 12: on a daily basis. So I think the question is

1587
01:19:15,640 --> 01:19:19,639
Speaker 12: central and key if Israel has a right to exist.

1588
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:21,880
Speaker 12: And if your answer is no, then I guess the

1589
01:19:21,960 --> 01:19:26,320
Speaker 12: question becomes why do the Palestinians have a quite to

1590
01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 12: twenty different Muslim countries.

1591
01:19:28,080 --> 01:19:31,120
Speaker 13: I answer is that no country in this world establishes

1592
01:19:31,160 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 13: its ability to exist through rights. Countries establish their ability

1593
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:38,360
Speaker 13: to exist through force, as America did. And so I

1594
01:19:38,400 --> 01:19:41,240
Speaker 13: think this question of rights to Israel does exist.

1595
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 6: It's a fact.

1596
01:19:42,720 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 13: The question of its right is not a question that

1597
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 13: I would be faced with with any other country.

1598
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 12: But you write a book that delegitimizes the pillars of Israel.

1599
01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:52,000
Speaker 6: It seems like an effort to topple the whole building

1600
01:19:52,040 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 6: of it.

1601
01:19:52,400 --> 01:19:54,280
Speaker 12: So I come back to the question, and it's what

1602
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:57,080
Speaker 12: I struggle with throughout this book. What is it that

1603
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:01,200
Speaker 12: so particularly offends you about the existence of a Jewish

1604
01:20:01,520 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 12: state that is a Jewish safe place and not any

1605
01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 12: of the other states out there.

1606
01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,280
Speaker 6: There's nothing that offends me about a Jewish state.

1607
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,560
Speaker 13: I am offended by the idea of states built on ethnocracy,

1608
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 13: no matter.

1609
01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 6: Where they are.

1610
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:15,479
Speaker 13: Muslim concluded, I would not want a state where any

1611
01:20:15,479 --> 01:20:19,720
Speaker 13: group of people laid down their citizenship rights based on ethnicity.

1612
01:20:20,439 --> 01:20:22,559
Speaker 13: The country of Israel is a state in which half

1613
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 13: the population exists on one tier citizenship, and everybody else

1614
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 13: that's ruled by Israelis exists on another tier, including Palestine

1615
01:20:30,360 --> 01:20:33,360
Speaker 13: Israeli citizens. The only people that exist on that first

1616
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 13: tier are Israeli Jews.

1617
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:39,080
Speaker 6: Why do we support that? Why is that? Okay, I'm

1618
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 6: the child of Jim Crow.

1619
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:42,479
Speaker 13: I'm the child of people that were born into a

1620
01:20:42,520 --> 01:20:45,640
Speaker 13: country where that was exactly the case of American apartheid.

1621
01:20:46,160 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 13: I walk over there, and I walk through the occupied

1622
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:51,360
Speaker 13: territories and I walk down the street in Hebron and

1623
01:20:51,400 --> 01:20:54,040
Speaker 13: a guy says to me, I can't walk down the

1624
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 13: street unless I profess my religion.

1625
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:59,960
Speaker 6: I'm with another No, no, no, no. This is very valua support.

1626
01:21:00,040 --> 01:21:02,640
Speaker 6: It's extremely important. Lay it down. I'm working with.

1627
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 13: The person that is guiding me is a Palestinian whose father,

1628
01:21:06,360 --> 01:21:09,400
Speaker 13: whose grandfather and grandmother was born in this town. And

1629
01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,960
Speaker 13: I have more freedom to walk than he does. He

1630
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 13: can't ride on certain roads, he can't get water in

1631
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:19,400
Speaker 13: the same way that Israeli citizens who live less than

1632
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 13: a mile away from him.

1633
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 6: Again, why is that okay? Is that?

1634
01:21:23,080 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 12: Why is there no agency in this book for the Palestinians.

1635
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:29,760
Speaker 12: They exist in your narrative merely as victims of the Israelis,

1636
01:21:29,800 --> 01:21:31,920
Speaker 12: as though they were not offered peace at any juncture,

1637
01:21:31,960 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 12: as though they don't have a stake in this as well?

1638
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: What is their role in the lack of a have.

1639
01:21:36,200 --> 01:21:40,840
Speaker 13: A very very moral compass about this. And again, perhaps

1640
01:21:40,840 --> 01:21:43,920
Speaker 13: it's because of my ancestry. Either apartheid is right or

1641
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:46,880
Speaker 13: it's wrong. It's really really simple. Either what I saw

1642
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 13: was right or what's wrong. I am fascist against the

1643
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:53,080
Speaker 13: death penalty. What the person did to get the death penalty.

1644
01:21:53,400 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 13: It really doesn't matter to me. I don't care if

1645
01:21:54,760 --> 01:21:56,680
Speaker 13: they were selling a nickelbag of marijuana or if they

1646
01:21:56,680 --> 01:21:57,519
Speaker 13: were a serial killer.

1647
01:21:57,560 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 6: I am against the death penalty.

1648
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,960
Speaker 13: It's a state that discriminates against people on the basis

1649
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 13: of ethnicity.

1650
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 6: I'm against that.

1651
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,280
Speaker 13: There is nothing the Palestinians could do that would make

1652
01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 13: that okay for me. My book is not based on

1653
01:22:09,160 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 13: the hyper moraleic what the Palestinian people.

1654
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:15,200
Speaker 1: And that's basically the entirety of the interview. And I

1655
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: think that the key point he makes there is like, listen,

1656
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: I don't care. There's nothing the Palatines could have done

1657
01:22:24,240 --> 01:22:27,640
Speaker 1: that would make me say apartheid is morally acceptable, Like

1658
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:29,639
Speaker 1: that would make me change my value. So it's either

1659
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: right or it's wrong. And all this attempt and this

1660
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: is part of what really, you know, upset people and

1661
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:38,840
Speaker 1: became a whole conversation online is in an excerpt he

1662
01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:41,280
Speaker 1: had said, listen to people as a dodge say that

1663
01:22:41,320 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 1: this is all very complicated, when sure, like the history

1664
01:22:44,640 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 1: is complicated, no doubt about it, the morality of it,

1665
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: if you have some basic principles, really isn't. And so

1666
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 1: again it's not that no one said these things before.

1667
01:22:53,960 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: It's because he was so uniformly celebrated in these circles,

1668
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: and he's allowed in these circles. For him to say

1669
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:04,639
Speaker 1: it is part of why there's, you know, this sort

1670
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,599
Speaker 1: of like collective meltdown, and why Tony Dikoppel takes such

1671
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:09,320
Speaker 1: a I don't know if he's ever taken such an

1672
01:23:09,320 --> 01:23:12,800
Speaker 1: aggressive posture with an interview subjects previously.

1673
01:23:12,880 --> 01:23:14,120
Speaker 4: This is morning show stuff.

1674
01:23:14,160 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: Normally it's like very fluffy, and he comes in loaded

1675
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,080
Speaker 1: for bear with every single talking for you can imagine

1676
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:20,679
Speaker 1: that's not a surprise.

1677
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:23,519
Speaker 2: I mean, look again, my disagreement with Coates is Coates

1678
01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,800
Speaker 2: believes America as much as an apartheid state as Israel,

1679
01:23:26,840 --> 01:23:27,880
Speaker 2: and that's why I can't stand the game.

1680
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,320
Speaker 4: He believes that it was under Jim Crow, which is coorect.

1681
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:32,920
Speaker 2: But his essay about the case for reparations makes the

1682
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 2: case that we effectively still live in apartheid society, which

1683
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 2: is insane, and.

1684
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:40,320
Speaker 4: We still have a massive wealth that's partheid.

1685
01:23:40,439 --> 01:23:43,080
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm saying is exactly is that he

1686
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:45,720
Speaker 2: sees moral equivalents between the two, which I think is

1687
01:23:45,760 --> 01:23:48,639
Speaker 2: outrageous for a country that has done more not.

1688
01:23:48,640 --> 01:23:50,600
Speaker 1: What he articulates in this book, and it's not what

1689
01:23:50,680 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 1: he articulates in this interview.

1690
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:53,679
Speaker 4: But I think.

1691
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 3: That's a lot of credit push him on. I think

1692
01:23:56,240 --> 01:23:57,360
Speaker 3: he deserves a.

1693
01:23:57,320 --> 01:24:01,080
Speaker 1: Lot of credit for the fact that he, you know,

1694
01:24:01,280 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 1: he is burn all of that elite credibility that he got.

1695
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,880
Speaker 1: He's burning it right now to say something that is

1696
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:11,320
Speaker 1: should be obvious on its face, that is, you know,

1697
01:24:11,400 --> 01:24:15,639
Speaker 1: powerfully true and certainly impacted him when he went and visited.

1698
01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:17,800
Speaker 4: And the fact that he is.

1699
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: Willing to burn that elite credibility in capital that he

1700
01:24:22,479 --> 01:24:25,320
Speaker 1: has on behalf of, yes, a group of people who

1701
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:28,519
Speaker 1: in the American political media contexts are voiceless. I think

1702
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 1: he deserves nothing but praise and admiration for having the

1703
01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:33,040
Speaker 1: courage to do that which is not an easy thing

1704
01:24:33,080 --> 01:24:34,519
Speaker 1: to do and what most people avoid.

1705
01:24:34,680 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 3: I could see how you arrive at that conclusion.

1706
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:40,800
Speaker 2: I think that it's only a furtherance of his project,

1707
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:44,160
Speaker 2: which is to traw some equivalents between our country or

1708
01:24:44,240 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 2: society and theirs, which again I think is outrageous and insane.

1709
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,799
Speaker 4: Where are you getting that from.

1710
01:24:48,560 --> 01:24:49,719
Speaker 3: From his own writing?

1711
01:24:51,160 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 4: I literally am reading this book.

1712
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about it, and he does not say that.

1713
01:24:54,760 --> 01:25:01,040
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Compare what he compares Tide Israel modern

1714
01:25:01,080 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 1: day Israel too, is the Jim Crow South. That's what

1715
01:25:03,960 --> 01:25:07,400
Speaker 1: he compares it to. And I think that's accurate. I

1716
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:10,240
Speaker 1: think that is highly accurate, and it's obviously a very

1717
01:25:10,280 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 1: powerful comparison to make in terms of the American political context,

1718
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,320
Speaker 1: and especially compare, you know, given him and how people

1719
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,919
Speaker 1: think of his credibility on these issues.

1720
01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:21,840
Speaker 4: So I don't know.

1721
01:25:21,800 --> 01:25:24,280
Speaker 1: Why it's so difficult for you to just say, like, hey,

1722
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:26,479
Speaker 1: I disagree with him on these other things, but good

1723
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: on him for like using his elite capital to say

1724
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:31,080
Speaker 1: something that's powerful and true in a space that it's

1725
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,040
Speaker 1: normally never heard.

1726
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:33,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess I could say that.

1727
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: I get Look for me, I'm frankly I have t

1728
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,400
Speaker 2: what is a tnc CO derangement syndrome? Anything him, Nicole,

1729
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,160
Speaker 2: Hannah Jones, Abraham Kenny and all these other people, I

1730
01:25:43,160 --> 01:25:44,000
Speaker 2: honestly just don't care.

1731
01:25:44,040 --> 01:25:46,040
Speaker 3: I blame them for so many problems.

1732
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:49,160
Speaker 1: That we curlear And I think it's fine you say

1733
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: disagree with them, but to like say they're not allowed

1734
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: to have that idea? Tell you that, but you've them

1735
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:57,679
Speaker 1: are you're blaming them for you know, every ill, every

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Speaker 1: racial ill in America, which is insane when you consider

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Speaker 1: the amount of continued discrimination, when you consider, you know.

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Speaker 4: George Floyd being murdered, when.

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Speaker 1: You consider Donald Trump going out and in citing terror

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Speaker 1: in a small Ohio town lying about Haitian immigrants. To say, oh,

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01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:15,840
Speaker 1: every racial problem we have is because of tany you

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Speaker 1: see coats word an article in The Atlantic.

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Speaker 2: I think that is wild radicalize the American elite to

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,760
Speaker 2: believe that race is the only problem that we have

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Speaker 2: in America. And as we just covered in our working

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Speaker 2: class segment, the actual people who are working class don't

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Speaker 2: agree with that. They're very a lot of Latinos are

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Speaker 2: very anti more immigration.

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Speaker 3: So is that race.

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Speaker 2: That's my point is that his viewpoint gives us nothing

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Speaker 2: in the American context.

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Speaker 1: But Taccer again, to say you disagree with his viewpoint legitimate.

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Speaker 1: I have disagreements with his viewpoint, which I have expressed

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01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,559
Speaker 1: previously and have expressed in this segment. To say he's

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01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,479
Speaker 1: a villain, I mean, you're doing the same thing they're doing.

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Speaker 1: You're an extremist, you're a terrorist terrorist, I mean that's

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Speaker 1: you basically are so I don't understand why, especially someone

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Speaker 1: who who believes in the you know, open exchange of

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01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:06,280
Speaker 1: ideas and freedom of speech and you know, the ability

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Speaker 1: to articulate and argue through these things, what you would

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01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:12,360
Speaker 1: just denigrate him as a human being. I don't versus

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01:27:12,360 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 1: attacking the idea that you disagree with.

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Speaker 2: Okay, if somebody who you despise and said something bad

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01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:21,160
Speaker 2: had a good idea a single sentence, would you think

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01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 2: it was appropriate to castigate them as a like a

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01:27:24,360 --> 01:27:25,760
Speaker 2: hero for saying one thing?

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Speaker 3: I think they.

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Speaker 1: Deserve no credit for doing something that. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: this goes against his own personal career interest.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, very clearly. So does he deserve credit for that? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Think of how many people, when faced with this issue,

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01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:48,120
Speaker 1: when either totally close their eyes or know that it's

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01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,560
Speaker 1: wrong and keep their mouths shut because they want to

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Speaker 1: keep their gig. How many American elites do so many?

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01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 1: And so yes, of course, of course he deserves credit

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01:27:59,120 --> 01:28:02,680
Speaker 1: for like that political capital, for actually living up to

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Speaker 1: what he claims, which is to be a voice for

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Speaker 1: the voiceless. And there are plenty of people who you

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01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 1: know in the Black Lives Matter.

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01:28:10,200 --> 01:28:12,320
Speaker 4: Movement who they you know, the.

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Speaker 1: Kendy and these sorts of people who it just appears

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01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:19,760
Speaker 1: to be like a career ambition grift. And I think

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Speaker 1: with this action in these writings and the way he

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01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,479
Speaker 1: responds in these interviews, he's proven himself to be different,

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Speaker 1: to have a different kind of moral character than people

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Speaker 1: who are just you know, grifting off of something that

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Speaker 1: was popular in elite circles. So yeah, I give him, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I give him credit for that.

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Speaker 2: You'd be different, yes, absolutely, I'm just I don't want

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01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,040
Speaker 2: people to have some takeaway that I think this person

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Speaker 2: is like a hero or whatever.

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Speaker 4: You've made it clear that you don't think good.

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Speaker 3: I hope so.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I didn't say research censorship. If

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01:28:45,800 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 2: he came here, I would say it to his face too,

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01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,200
Speaker 2: and we could go into it for an hour. I

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01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,040
Speaker 2: would let him speak. I don't think that other guy

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01:28:51,160 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 2: was allowing. I don't think what he said was anti

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Speaker 2: Semitic or anything like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I just have a very different.

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01:28:57,240 --> 01:28:59,519
Speaker 2: View of who he is and the way that he's

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01:28:59,520 --> 01:29:02,600
Speaker 2: trying to like further his whole like race only project.

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Speaker 2: And I think it's obviously fused in an ideology which

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Speaker 2: I core disagree with less.

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Speaker 1: Here's the other thing that you're missing from his writing

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01:29:09,400 --> 01:29:12,960
Speaker 1: here that I actually think you would potentially agree with

1807
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 1: is he writes that the fact that you've been oppressed

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01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: or that you've been a quote unquote victim, does not

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01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 1: absolve you, does not mean that you cannot then go

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01:29:23,920 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 1: and turn around and do the very things that were

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Speaker 1: done to you. That's again, that is the core of

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Speaker 1: the message in the book, the message that is a

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Speaker 1: core of what he's articulating here, which I think is

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Speaker 1: a very important concept when you think about, you know,

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01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,160
Speaker 1: the Israeli state founded out of the Holocaust, and he

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Speaker 1: talks about the fact that, you know, in his in

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Speaker 1: the Case for Reparations, he made this point about how

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Speaker 1: using the Israeli state and you know, German reparations to

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01:29:56,479 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 1: help found the Israeli state as a positive example of reparationations.

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Speaker 1: And it was actually someone some of you may know,

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Speaker 1: Ronnie Kollik, went to one of his events and stood

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01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:12,480
Speaker 1: up and said, you know, you really, you really misunderstand

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Speaker 1: this because those reparations were not to the Jewish people

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01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:19,120
Speaker 1: or survivors of the Holocaust. They were to create a

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Speaker 1: new state that has caused new oppression and.

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Speaker 4: He sat with that. That's what he said. He that

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Speaker 4: bothered him like that Ronia got shouted down?

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Speaker 3: Is that a synagogue and.

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Speaker 4: He got shouted down?

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Speaker 1: You know, she was like demonized in that group.

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Speaker 4: She was very nervous.

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Speaker 1: She said on Twitter to have stood up and said

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Speaker 1: that at the time. But he actually sat with that,

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Speaker 1: and that led him down this path, and it leads

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Speaker 1: him to this, you know, to this central thesis that

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Speaker 1: it's really important to understand that, yes, of course the

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Speaker 1: victims of the Holocaust horrifying, like the fact that there

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Speaker 1: was this you know, pressing sense of a need for

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Speaker 1: a Jewish safe space, obviously horrifying, obviously important. That doesn't

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Speaker 1: mean the fact that you were a victim or you

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01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 1: were a victim of oppression doesn't mean you can't turn

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Speaker 1: around and that the roles can't be reversed, and that

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Speaker 1: these you know, designators of like oppression and oppressed are

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01:31:12,720 --> 01:31:15,320
Speaker 1: locked in time and place, and so you know, I

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Speaker 1: think that's something that you agree with, and I certainly

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Speaker 1: think it's something that's important to be heard.

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Speaker 4: And so I appreciate the fact that while I have.

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Speaker 1: Disagreements with him, that he gets to have that voice

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Speaker 1: in these elite spaces where those sorts of concepts, and

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Speaker 1: especially you know, speaking for the Palestinians, where that is

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Speaker 1: never heard.

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Speaker 2: So that's my life I understand, at least on that point,

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Speaker 2: is that that the only reason he's allowed on CBS

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01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 2: this morning is because of who he is. Yeah, that's right,

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01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:45,120
Speaker 2: And yeah it's true he's going to burn a lot

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Speaker 2: of bridges doing this. And it is true that the

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Speaker 2: not even Palestinian perspective, but really anything that goes against

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Speaker 2: what's that guy's named.

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Speaker 3: Tony whatever, like Tony's ideology, that is not.

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Speaker 2: Common and there's a reason I think that you're going

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01:31:57,600 --> 01:32:00,679
Speaker 2: to see it here on this show or any Actually, frankly,

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01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:02,720
Speaker 2: a lot of independent media these days, frankly a lot

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01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:05,920
Speaker 2: more interesting is specifically because of this. So, yeah, it's true.

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Speaker 2: I think he burns probably some bridges. He's going to

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Speaker 2: experience a lot of pushback.

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Speaker 3: I guess.

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Speaker 2: My only point was that within his ideology and specifically

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Speaker 2: like who he is as a figure in American politics,

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Speaker 2: I think it's still important to evaluate like what this

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Speaker 2: book is and also why he was able to get

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Speaker 2: that CBS News post and what and then also consider

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Speaker 2: what it meant for that to be, you know, for

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Speaker 2: him to be such a respected figure, and I don't

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Speaker 2: you know, for me, I just can't erase what I

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01:32:33,880 --> 01:32:37,000
Speaker 2: see as like a decade, honestly, of him pouring fire

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01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,439
Speaker 2: on a horrible accelerant in American politics, only to then

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Speaker 2: excuse it because I went on CBS News and wrote

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Speaker 2: a book about Palestine. That's just not enough, I guess.

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Speaker 2: And look, I invite him here on the show. I'd

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Speaker 2: be happy to talk to him.

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Speaker 4: I doubt he Okay, good, I will tell you this.

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Speaker 2: We can go as long as he wants. We can

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01:32:54,600 --> 01:32:56,719
Speaker 2: go for three hours, we can go for five hours.

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Speaker 2: Don't will I will not cut him off, and we

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01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,640
Speaker 2: will sit there and we will. And I would say

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Speaker 2: everything I just said right to a space.

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Speaker 4: I think what I would say is that.

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Speaker 1: It says something that the previous writings were comfortable for

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Speaker 1: these spaces, because I mean, first of all, the reparations

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01:33:14,640 --> 01:33:19,599
Speaker 1: is such an unlikely political outcome that when you propose

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01:33:19,680 --> 01:33:22,519
Speaker 1: something that is outside of what anyone really thinks is

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01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:28,880
Speaker 1: politically possible, that becomes sort of inherently safe. And because

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Speaker 1: if there's this sense, this race pasimas, sense of like

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01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 1: this is just how things are in America. It can

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01:33:37,160 --> 01:33:39,720
Speaker 1: never change. Then it also sort of absolves you from

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01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:44,840
Speaker 1: having to make political change that could be threatening to

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01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:49,880
Speaker 1: elite circles. So I think it's telling that the previous

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01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: work was very comfortable for people in this space and

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Speaker 1: that this work is not. And I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's an important thing to note.

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