WEBVTT - #769 Packers Unscripted: More post-draft musings

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody, Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from

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<v Speaker 1>Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always

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<v Speaker 1>by my trusted colleague West and Hodkoitz. We're coming to

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<v Speaker 1>you here from our studios at lambeau Field, Wes our

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<v Speaker 1>second draft recap show. And uh, you put together an

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<v Speaker 1>interesting little piece for Packers dot Com the other day

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<v Speaker 1>where you sort of dug out through whether it was

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<v Speaker 1>through the interviews over draft weekend or the the bio

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<v Speaker 1>information that we got on the players. But one extra

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<v Speaker 1>interesting little thing about each of the Packers eleven draft

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<v Speaker 1>picks that didn't quite work into our coverage over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>So if if you want to learn a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more about these guys, check that out on Packers dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, of those of those various of the those

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<v Speaker 1>various items, what one or ones stood out to you?

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<v Speaker 2>So first off, the my main idea for doing this,

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<v Speaker 2>we're always just looking for stuff to get us through

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<v Speaker 2>the week before the rookie orientation camp. And my biggest

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<v Speaker 2>problemt for this was I thought the scouts last week

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<v Speaker 2>and were phenomenal. Yeah, everybody that talked had something interesting

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<v Speaker 2>to say. But because of the calamity and chaos of

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<v Speaker 2>the draft. You and I only get to write so

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<v Speaker 2>much about it. You did an excellent job of incorporating

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<v Speaker 2>John Eric Sullivan's voice and your final recap story. I

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<v Speaker 2>thought John Eric had probably one of the best press

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<v Speaker 2>conferences of the entire weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>That was, as I mentioned in Insider Inbox, actually that

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<v Speaker 1>was my favorite press conference, no offense to anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>That was my favorite press conference of the entire weekend

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<v Speaker 1>was listening to John Eric kind of dig into the

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<v Speaker 1>packers process a little bit and really talk about what

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<v Speaker 1>they're looking for and with regard to these prospects. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I tried to incorporate those comments in my wrap up story.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to check out the video of

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<v Speaker 1>that press conference, by all means, it's on the website

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<v Speaker 1>as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And for me, I'm not John Eric's agent, but I

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<v Speaker 2>would take that fourteen minute press conference and I would

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<v Speaker 2>show it to every NFL team that is looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a general manager one year from now. I thought it

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<v Speaker 2>was very presidential in that way, or general manor jural

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<v Speaker 2>isheal in that way.

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<v Speaker 3>Be that as it may.

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<v Speaker 2>You're asking me about the top eleven things to know

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<v Speaker 2>about these eleven prospects the two things that I enjoyed

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<v Speaker 2>the most. This wasn't anything like an epiphany, but the

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<v Speaker 2>Packers drafted yet another Georgia Bulldog. Digging into that a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit with Javon Ballard coming in. That's a fourth

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<v Speaker 2>time in four drafts the Packers have drafted for Georgia Bulldogs,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously doubling up two years ago with DeVante White and

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<v Speaker 2>kway Walker prior to selecting Eric Stokes, So the Packers

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<v Speaker 2>had actually selected the last time they had four Bulldogs

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<v Speaker 2>that they got through the draft, it had been I

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<v Speaker 2>believe fifty eight years. It had taken as far as

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<v Speaker 2>how many times they drafted, including jerryus Wynn in two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, one, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That show is just where Kirby Smart has taken this

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<v Speaker 2>program and the level that he's put it on. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Rick was there. They've obviously had success in the past,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean this, we are talking about one of

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<v Speaker 2>the top programs in the country now and they're getting

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<v Speaker 2>some of the top recruits and they're developing them. Ballard,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, is hopefully going to be the next one

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<v Speaker 2>of that. In the fourth round, Evan Williams. I had

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<v Speaker 2>to laugh. There was nowhere to put it in our coverage. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>on Saturday. But ten years after the Green Bay Packers

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<v Speaker 2>draft Richard Rodgers, whose father and namesake was involved in

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<v Speaker 2>the play the cal Stanford game. They go and take

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<v Speaker 2>Evan Williams on the field, the band is on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>They take Evan Williams, whose father was also on the field.

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<v Speaker 1>For ket It's incredible, It's it's amazing. I and we

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<v Speaker 1>were talking about this before before we turn the cameras on.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, nineteen eighty two cal versus Stanford,

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<v Speaker 1>the game that is the big rivalry in the Bay

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<v Speaker 1>Area in northern California. And I mean in this day

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<v Speaker 1>and age of instant replay, that that play would have

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<v Speaker 1>that play would have meant absolutely nothing for the I'm

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<v Speaker 1>sure many of you have seen it, if not all

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<v Speaker 1>of you, there are there's you know, the one guy's

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<v Speaker 1>knees hit the ground before he laterals the ball, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>This is this is the this is this is the part.

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<v Speaker 1>I love though when you look back at it, because

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<v Speaker 1>because these are the things, these are the things that

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<v Speaker 1>are now that are now caught by instant replay, that

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<v Speaker 1>our eyes don't necessarily catch in the moment, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's when when somebody is running, somebody is running full

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<v Speaker 1>speed and they lateral the ball. It's an optical illusion

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<v Speaker 1>to us that the ball is not moving forward, but

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<v Speaker 1>it actually is because if you look at you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody is running forward and then they lateral the ball,

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<v Speaker 1>the ball is going to end up further down the

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<v Speaker 1>field than where the player released it. So technically that's

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<v Speaker 1>a forward lateral and it would be illegal on a

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<v Speaker 1>on a kickoff return, right, But in the moment, in

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<v Speaker 1>the moment, it looks legit, right, It looked it looks like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, he didn't throw it, he didn't throw it forward.

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<v Speaker 1>So but there there are a couple of those, like

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<v Speaker 1>in the cal Stanford play and everything. But uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I I I about fell out of my chair when

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<v Speaker 1>Evan Williams said, you know when when he was asked,

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<v Speaker 1>was it Matt Schneidman from the Athletic who asked him

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<v Speaker 1>about about his dad being being involved in the play

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<v Speaker 1>the the kickoff return in the cal Stanford game with

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<v Speaker 1>the trombone player getting run over.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the quote I love too once or twice

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<v Speaker 2>a month where we're pulling it up, or it's on

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<v Speaker 2>TV somewhere. Yeah, like you can't even escape it either.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yeah, it's omnipresent.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, it's it's there, it's there forever. Well, another

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<v Speaker 1>thing I wanted to I wanted to get your thoughts

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<v Speaker 1>on because obviously on our on our last show, we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about all these all these packer picks and all

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<v Speaker 1>the implications and how the packers went about putting together

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<v Speaker 1>this collection of rookies, but we didn't talk much at

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<v Speaker 1>all about what was going on in the rest of

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<v Speaker 1>the NFC North. And uh, and this is this is

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<v Speaker 1>a draft that, for one reason or another, is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be remembered as far as the NFC North is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>because two of the four teams, the Bears and the Vikings,

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<v Speaker 1>both drafted their quarterbacks of the future, with the Bears

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<v Speaker 1>taking Caleb Williams again the on.

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<v Speaker 3>The worst kept Secret.

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<v Speaker 1>No, we'll I'll let you talk about you, Bears punter,

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<v Speaker 1>if you want to later, the Bears taking Caleb Williams

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<v Speaker 1>number one overall, and then the Vikings sweating things out

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<v Speaker 1>at the eleventh pick and then ultimately moving up one

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<v Speaker 1>spot to into the number ten spot to get JJ

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy because they were they weren't sure. There was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>the possibility that the Broncos or the Raiders might trade

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<v Speaker 1>up into the number ten spot with was it the Jets? Yep,

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<v Speaker 1>the Jets had the tenth spot.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, according to Sean Payton, he was involved in like

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen trades that day.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, absolutely, there's all kinds of things like they

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<v Speaker 1>want to bone X. But it was interesting because a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people ask the question, well, what like, why

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<v Speaker 1>would they the Jets aren't going to take a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are the Vikings trading up one spot that the

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<v Speaker 1>Jets have Aaron Rodgers they're not going to take a quarterback. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it's because they don't know if somebody else might jump

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<v Speaker 1>in front of them and trade for that number ten

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<v Speaker 1>pick and get who many thought was really the last

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<v Speaker 1>of the first round quarterbacks in JJ McCarthy or certainly

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that the Vikings wanted, I think after Drake

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<v Speaker 1>May was taken by the Patriots, when the Patriots wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>trade out of the number three spot, Elliott Wolf sticking

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<v Speaker 1>at three and taking May from North Carolina. Just your

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<v Speaker 1>thoughts on kind of how the top of that first

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<v Speaker 1>round unfolded with all the quarterbacks, and then not no

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<v Speaker 1>trade was made until the tenth spot when we were

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<v Speaker 1>discussing the previous week. You know, are the Pagers going

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<v Speaker 1>to trade at three, the Cardinal's going to trade at four,

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<v Speaker 1>the Charger's going to trade at five. Everybody sat and

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<v Speaker 1>picked and then the other interesting part of that is

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<v Speaker 1>the Giants sitting at number six did not take a quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>They ended up going with a wide receiver.

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<v Speaker 3>They did.

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<v Speaker 2>And first and foremost, I don't do this just because

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<v Speaker 2>of the Packer connections. I do this because I thought

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<v Speaker 2>he did a wail of a job in his first

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<v Speaker 2>NFL draft in the cap Birds seat there and Elliott

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<v Speaker 2>wolf dode New England need to switch up their offense.

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<v Speaker 2>They go their first five picks, they go on the

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<v Speaker 2>offensive side of the ball. It starts with Drake May.

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<v Speaker 2>Not that you want stuff leaking out. I know how

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<v Speaker 2>NFL franchisees feel about that, but I actually was really

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that made the Patriots look great in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of what Minnesota was trying to give up to move there.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's showing just how dedicated Elliott was to Drake May.

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<v Speaker 2>And this being the next guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he absolutely had. He absolutely was. Kings Ray is

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<v Speaker 1>convinced that that Drake May has got to be their guy,

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<v Speaker 1>because if the reports that were out there are true,

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<v Speaker 1>Elliott Wolf passed up some very very attractive trades to

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<v Speaker 1>trade out of the number three spot and he did

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<v Speaker 1>not want to do it, which shows you how he

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<v Speaker 1>feels about Drake May.

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<v Speaker 2>As the Patriots, So the Chicago Bears obviously go with

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<v Speaker 2>Caleb Williams. They go with the receiver at nine. And

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<v Speaker 2>now you wait and see, I don't really like twitter

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<v Speaker 2>go figure. I know Bear fans are talking about the

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<v Speaker 2>New Era and everything like that. We've heard that a

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<v Speaker 2>lot over the last ten years. Maybe Williams is the

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<v Speaker 2>guy everybody thought he was, but there's gonna be that

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<v Speaker 2>pressure on him now and seeing how he handles that,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna be very interesting. The Packers just so happened

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<v Speaker 2>to draft his running back in Marshawn Lloyd com into

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay. He had very complimentary things to say about

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<v Speaker 2>him as well. But I don't think there's been a

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<v Speaker 2>more celebrated, decorated number one overall pick. I mean, this

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<v Speaker 2>guy put him up there against Trevor Lawrence and Andrew

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<v Speaker 2>luck in terms of guys that are just expected to

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<v Speaker 2>come in and be MVP type players. The Bears have

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<v Speaker 2>everything stake to him. They did not pick very much

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<v Speaker 2>in this draft. They you know, everyone talks about all

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<v Speaker 2>the additions they made free agency and through trades. In

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<v Speaker 2>that well, they had to they didn't have the equity

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to do that through the drafts.

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<v Speaker 1>So and they even gave up a future draft pick

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<v Speaker 1>to get back into this draft to take an additional player.

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<v Speaker 1>Because after the first round when they took Williams at

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<v Speaker 1>number one, they took their wide receiver rome a Doonzy

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<v Speaker 1>from Washington at number nine. The Bears only had two

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<v Speaker 1>other picks in the entire draft, and they sacrificed to

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<v Speaker 1>pick next year to get another player for this year.

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<v Speaker 2>If the cupboards bear, you got to put some groceries

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<v Speaker 2>in it, right too. So, I mean that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>did Minnesota there. I mean, I don't want to say

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<v Speaker 2>you're all in, but this is it. This is the move.

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<v Speaker 2>This was the draft where they made some big moves.

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<v Speaker 2>And and certainly when you look at I know Dallas

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<v Speaker 2>Turner is I think he's already the favorite for defensive Player.

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<v Speaker 1>Of the year, defensive rookie Rookie of the Year.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, yes, defensive rookie of the Year. So they

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<v Speaker 2>still felt like they helped their defense. But the JJ

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<v Speaker 2>McCarthy move was one I told you going into the draft.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean not that I knew this, everybody knew this.

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<v Speaker 2>The Vikings had to draft a quarterback. Yeah, you had

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<v Speaker 2>to get one. And with where they were sitting, you

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<v Speaker 2>were in that that you know, is Pennex going to

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<v Speaker 2>be there?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it McCarthy? Is McCarthy going to go higher? Bo Nix?

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<v Speaker 2>I think everybody kind of assumed would be in that range.

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<v Speaker 2>But is he the guy? And if you're taking six

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<v Speaker 2>quarterbacks in the top twelve, how good do you feel

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<v Speaker 2>about the six guy actually being the best of the bunch?

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not great? Yeah, JJ McCarthy ends up being the guy.

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<v Speaker 2>They have Sam Darnold. That doesn't mean he has to

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<v Speaker 2>play right away, but so much is stake to this

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<v Speaker 2>change at quarterback. And I'm not trying to put together

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<v Speaker 2>an ad campaign for how the Packers develop quarterbacks in

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<v Speaker 2>contrast to what has been the situation in Minnesota now

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<v Speaker 2>for many years.

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<v Speaker 3>But when you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't have a quarterback, it makes the job a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more difficult, and they finally made the decision. You know what,

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<v Speaker 2>we paid Kirk Cousins a lot of money for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of years. He got them to a certain point,

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<v Speaker 2>but they couldn't get past that point. So now we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to kind of try to rebuild while still competing.

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<v Speaker 2>And the one danger I feel is there for the

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<v Speaker 2>Vikings is the number one overall pick. The guy that

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<v Speaker 2>was just talking about how celebrated he's been in Kaeleb

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<v Speaker 2>Williams goes to a division team, another division team was

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<v Speaker 2>in the NFC Championship game, and then you have the

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<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers, who were the hottest team in football

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<v Speaker 2>during the final month of the season. Yeah, the Vikings

0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:10.960
<v Speaker 2>don't have a lot of room there to pace themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>They kind of have to catch up if they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to stay in this thing. And this was their move.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and what's interesting to me, and I mean, who

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<v Speaker 1>knows whether JJ McCarthy is ultimately going to be the

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<v Speaker 1>guy or not. But what's interesting to me is how

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<v Speaker 1>we keep hearing out of Minnesota that that they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to be patient, they're going to you know, they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to bring JJ McCarthy along slowly, et cetera, et cetera. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>that's all fine and good to say right now. But

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<v Speaker 1>the guy you have starting at quarterback presumably week one,

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<v Speaker 1>will be Sam Donald, who has I believe it's like

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<v Speaker 1>a twenty something and thirty seven record as a starting

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback in the NFL. If you do start out with

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<v Speaker 1>Sam Donald, because you're gonna bring JJ McCarthy along slowly

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<v Speaker 1>and not put all this pressure on him, well, then

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<v Speaker 1>what happens when you lose a few games?

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<v Speaker 3>It's twenty one and thirty five, by the way.

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<v Speaker 1>Twenty one and thirty five, Thank you, twenty one and

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five as a starting quarterback. You start losing some games,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean the fans pay good money to

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<v Speaker 1>pay to buy the tickets and to come out and

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<v Speaker 1>support the team. And you know, if the Vikings do

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<v Speaker 1>start out losing some games, there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of pressure to put JJ McCarthy in there and

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<v Speaker 1>for the Vikings to for the Vikings to show their

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<v Speaker 1>fans what they have. Are they going to resist that?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what is what will be the decision making

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<v Speaker 1>process down the line? Now, maybe Sam Darnold, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe this is the reclamation of his career. We saw

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<v Speaker 1>it with Gino Smith in Seattle. You can't rule it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Not going to rule it out, but the Vikings are

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<v Speaker 1>the Vikings are potentially going to be in a really

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<v Speaker 1>tough spot here.

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<v Speaker 2>The pressure for the fans is I'm with you on that.

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<v Speaker 2>That is one hundred percent correct. But you've also the

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<v Speaker 2>strength of your football team right now as your receiving corps.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep, you have arguably the best.

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<v Speaker 2>Receiver in the game right now, and justin Jefferson Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Addison showed a lot of nice things last year as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You need a guy that's gonna be able to feed

0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:08.480
<v Speaker 2>those players Kirk Cousins. People can talk about primetime Kirk,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, or are you want to talk about the

0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:12.600
<v Speaker 2>playoff Kirk. But he got the ball out into those

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<v Speaker 2>guys hands.

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<v Speaker 3>He allowed them to make plays.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the biggest switch they're going with because when I

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<v Speaker 2>was talking about this, Minnesota's almost kind of been I mean,

0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:23.080
<v Speaker 2>you heard that stat about how few first round quarterbacks

0:14:23.080 --> 0:14:26.680
<v Speaker 2>they've ever drafted. You know, they hit on Dante Culpepper,

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<v Speaker 2>but then injuries became an issue for him, and then

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<v Speaker 2>after that it was just sort of plug and play

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<v Speaker 2>guys other than Christian Ponder.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they drafted. They drafted Christian Ponder with a first

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<v Speaker 1>round pick. I believe he was twelfth overall. But quite frankly,

0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:43.000
<v Speaker 1>the only year they did anything with Christian Ponder was

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<v Speaker 1>when Adrian Peterson was the league MVP with a two

0:14:45.560 --> 0:14:49.480
<v Speaker 1>thousand yard rushing season in twenty and twelve. Yep, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the only year with Christian Ponder that they went anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>So you're right, there's been there. There's been this interesting

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<v Speaker 1>history with Minnesota and how they've gone about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so this where it's going to get really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>this division. I love what Detroit did again. I thought

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<v Speaker 2>they had some really savvy picks in this thing. They

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<v Speaker 2>moved around, they helped their defense some again, Brad Holmes,

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<v Speaker 2>John Dorsey, I tipped my cap to them. I felt

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<v Speaker 2>like as soon as John came on board there too.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously Brad's track record speaks for itself. They've done it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not a mystery why they were in the NFC

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<v Speaker 2>Championship game. They drafted really, really well these last few years,

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<v Speaker 2>beginning in twenty twenty one with am and Ross Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Brown in the fourth round. Brian Branch gets involved it

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<v Speaker 2>looks like Aiden Hutchinson, it's going to be a player.

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<v Speaker 2>So the competition in the North I think is going

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<v Speaker 2>to be really strong this year.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Fortunately for everybody, there's seven playoff spots now in the NFC.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to get down this party, there are

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<v Speaker 2>tickets to go. But certainly for the Packers, for Minnesota,

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<v Speaker 2>for all these teams, you have to put yourself in

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<v Speaker 2>a position to compete, neutralize the other team's strengths and

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<v Speaker 2>see where it takes you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what'd you think of what'd you think of Detroit's

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<v Speaker 1>move essentially using two because they traded up to get

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<v Speaker 1>the cornerback from Alabama Terian Arnold?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, good.

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing that you knew and I talked about

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<v Speaker 2>it afterwards, between him and and Rakestraw. They got two

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<v Speaker 2>of the top corners in the draft, but also two

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys that tested.

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<v Speaker 3>Slower when you're looking at more of those forty times.

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<v Speaker 2>So if that's the identity of their defense, if they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to go press man and play physical, which I

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<v Speaker 2>mean to a certain extent, that is what you're expecting.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's Dan Campbell, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Dan Campbell, that you know, that's you know, why is

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<v Speaker 2>his name escaping right now?

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<v Speaker 1>The defensive coordinator over there, Aaron Glenn.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Aaron Glenn, Right, yes, Aaron gle defensive backs

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<v Speaker 2>smash mouth in your face. When they've turned this corner

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<v Speaker 2>with their personnel, that's the identity they've tried to kept

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<v Speaker 2>for really the last two and a half years now.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think it in a lot of ways,

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<v Speaker 2>it made sense for them. I felt like offensively, they've

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<v Speaker 2>built out that offensive line so well, they've hit on

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<v Speaker 2>their draft picks at the skill positions. I mean, you

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<v Speaker 2>would not if you bring back if Justin wants to

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<v Speaker 2>bring up the old clips of you know, our pre

0:16:58.920 --> 0:17:01.360
<v Speaker 2>draft stuff las year. I wos not sold on Sam Laporta.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought he was a little too small. I knew

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<v Speaker 2>the history there with Iowa tight ends, but you had

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<v Speaker 2>all these really big, you know, the six foot six,

0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.080
<v Speaker 2>six foot five guys. I was saying, Sam Laporta was

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<v Speaker 2>as good as anyone in that draft last year and

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<v Speaker 2>made a huge difference from there in that offense.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'll be.

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<v Speaker 2>Fascinating to watch all this develops for Detroit. But this

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<v Speaker 2>was as much as we talk about this being an

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<v Speaker 2>important draft for the Packers because you've had two really

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<v Speaker 2>good ones back to back and you're trying to put

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<v Speaker 2>that third one together to make a Super Bowl run.

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<v Speaker 2>The Lions are sitting in the same seat.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One last thought I want to get from you

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<v Speaker 1>with regard to the first round of the draft, because

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people are talking about it.

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<v Speaker 2>As I remember, wasn't a cute by the way, when

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<v Speaker 2>I said that Michael Pennix would go in the first

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<v Speaker 2>round or not they went at eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry to interrupt, No.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's exactly what I was going to bring up,

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<v Speaker 1>because that is that is the move where people are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about. Okay, you know the sort of the Packers

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<v Speaker 1>blueprint for quarterback succession. Right. The Falcons went out. Things

0:17:54.240 --> 0:17:56.399
<v Speaker 1>didn't work out with Desmond Ritter, who they drafted a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years back in the third round. They the

0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.560
<v Speaker 1>Falcons had been using their first round picks. They had

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<v Speaker 1>three consecutive years of top ten picks, and they took

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<v Speaker 1>a tight end, a wide receiver, on a running back.

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<v Speaker 1>They did not draft a quarterback. They did not draft

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<v Speaker 1>a premium position. They didn't go left tackle or edge

0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.520
<v Speaker 1>rusher or or corner. They went with the They went

0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:19.680
<v Speaker 1>with the flashy offensive players. But then with a third

0:18:19.760 --> 0:18:22.320
<v Speaker 1>round quarterback, it didn't happen. It didn't get done. So

0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.360
<v Speaker 1>they went out spent a bunch of money to get

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<v Speaker 1>Kirk Cousins. Perhaps broke some rules along the way, but

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<v Speaker 1>we'll find out. We'll find out about that with when

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<v Speaker 1>the league's tampering investigation is complete, which apparently it's not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>But they go out and sign Kirk Cousins to a

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<v Speaker 1>whole bunch of money. They guarantee him somewhere in the

0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:44.080
<v Speaker 1>neighborhood of one hundred million dollars. But then they have

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<v Speaker 1>another top ten pick this year and they use it

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<v Speaker 1>on a quarterback in Michael Penis Junior from Washington, with

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<v Speaker 1>the idea that he will sit I think for a

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<v Speaker 1>minimum of three years, but at least a minimum of

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<v Speaker 1>two years. He will sit behind Kirk Cousins, watch and learn,

0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>and then eventually get the keys to the car. I mean,

0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:11.439
<v Speaker 1>the Falcons have a reasonable out cap wise on cousins

0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:13.720
<v Speaker 1>contract after three years. They sign him to a four

0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:16.879
<v Speaker 1>year deal. They have a reasonable out after three years.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think I think that it's gonna have to

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<v Speaker 1>go those three years before you turn it over to Pennix.

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<v Speaker 1>Otherwise you're putting yourself in salary cap jail when you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to turn things over to a new quarterback, and

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<v Speaker 1>that just doesn't really make a whole lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And my answers in several different ways. The first one

0:19:34.359 --> 0:19:36.159
<v Speaker 2>is to all the haters out there that were talking about, well,

0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.800
<v Speaker 2>why didn't they go defense, because the Falcons need to

0:19:38.800 --> 0:19:41.200
<v Speaker 2>figure out their offense first before we can even Yeah, okay,

0:19:41.200 --> 0:19:44.280
<v Speaker 2>their defense isn't great. Fine, their offense wasn't great.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And the only part that I laugh at that I

0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.200
<v Speaker 2>actually giggled when I saw, you know, Pennix come off

0:19:51.200 --> 0:19:54.000
<v Speaker 2>the board at eight, was for all that time they

0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:56.040
<v Speaker 2>didn't give Arthur Smith a single quarterback.

0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:57.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they fire.

0:19:57.440 --> 0:19:59.880
<v Speaker 2>Him, and then they spend all this money on Kirk

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<v Speaker 2>and they used the eighth overall pick on Pennix. That

0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:04.879
<v Speaker 2>was pretty humorous to me. Not to say that they

0:20:04.920 --> 0:20:06.640
<v Speaker 2>would have drafted another one and it would have worked out,

0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:08.400
<v Speaker 2>but it was just funny that they never actually had

0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:09.960
<v Speaker 2>that guy. They were trying to roll with a third

0:20:10.040 --> 0:20:12.680
<v Speaker 2>round you know, third or former third round pick. So

0:20:12.760 --> 0:20:16.280
<v Speaker 2>that being said, I actually really like the pick. I

0:20:16.320 --> 0:20:20.040
<v Speaker 2>think that this is the if you have an administration

0:20:21.040 --> 0:20:23.879
<v Speaker 2>and you have an owner that can be understanding and

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<v Speaker 2>see a little bit past just what's directly in front

0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 2>of them and what you could potentially do. This was

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the move for the Falcons because, with all due respect

0:20:32.920 --> 0:20:35.160
<v Speaker 2>to Kirk Cousins, he has only gotten to a certain

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<v Speaker 2>point in his NFL career as a starting quarterback. He's

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<v Speaker 2>not any younger, and he's coming off an Achilles tear.

0:20:40.640 --> 0:20:42.639
<v Speaker 2>Made total sense that they did whatever they had to

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.600
<v Speaker 2>do to sign him. But Pennix is a guy that

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<v Speaker 2>you've heard so many people talk about his arm strength,

0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.600
<v Speaker 2>being generational, talking like you know, this is a guy

0:20:51.600 --> 0:20:54.920
<v Speaker 2>that you know, maybe Matthew Stafford esque type strength and

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<v Speaker 2>his ability to deliver a football if you can give

0:20:58.000 --> 0:21:00.639
<v Speaker 2>that coaching staff time to bring him along and not

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.800
<v Speaker 2>throw him into the fire like we've done so often.

0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:04.600
<v Speaker 3>Mike Yes, c J.

0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.120
<v Speaker 2>Stroud last year was an exciting football player, and he

0:21:07.240 --> 0:21:09.359
<v Speaker 2>looks like he's going to be a real playmaker for

0:21:09.480 --> 0:21:12.280
<v Speaker 2>years to come. I can't see any scenario in which

0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:14.400
<v Speaker 2>Bryce Young benefited from what happened last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Net Line exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the thing. It's it's you throw, you throw these

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:22.760
<v Speaker 1>young guys into the fire right away. Sometimes you get

0:21:23.200 --> 0:21:25.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, a Joe Burrow or a C. J. Stroud,

0:21:25.920 --> 0:21:28.960
<v Speaker 1>and sometimes you get Bryce Young. I mean, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>not it's not necessarily about the guy. It's about it's

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<v Speaker 1>about the environment. It's about the situation. It's about the

0:21:35.560 --> 0:21:38.520
<v Speaker 1>status of the rest of the team as a whole.

0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Mike McCarthy always used to say, it's not about whether

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<v Speaker 1>a young quarterback is ready to play, it's about whether

0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the team is ready for the young quarterback to play.

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<v Speaker 1>And so some of these guys just get thrown into

0:21:50.320 --> 0:21:54.199
<v Speaker 1>situations that that that are really really difficult, and the

0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:56.200
<v Speaker 1>Falcons are going to do their best. The Vikings, it

0:21:56.280 --> 0:21:58.720
<v Speaker 1>sounds like, are going to try that as well. The

0:21:58.760 --> 0:22:00.679
<v Speaker 1>Falcons are going to do their best to avoid that.

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<v Speaker 1>And the difference between the two situations is the Falcons

0:22:04.760 --> 0:22:07.280
<v Speaker 1>spent a lot of money on a veteran quarterback who

0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:10.359
<v Speaker 1>has taken teams to the playoffs before, as opposed to

0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:14.639
<v Speaker 1>the Vikings, who, you know, their guy right now is

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who hasn't won in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're absolutely right, but I really thought you're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna go with the difference is is the Falcons paid

0:22:22.200 --> 0:22:24.919
<v Speaker 2>kirk Cousins and the Vikings did not pay kirk Cousins.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, after all that, I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>That's certainly that's certainly true as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But here's the thing, and this is where this would

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<v Speaker 2>be my last point on this, and this is the

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<v Speaker 2>thing I wanted to hit on the most. Where the

0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.480
<v Speaker 2>Green Bay Packers have outdone the rest of the National

0:22:37.480 --> 0:22:40.720
<v Speaker 2>Football League is they've caught the league sleeping on quarterbacks

0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:43.560
<v Speaker 2>at the right time. They caught the NFL sleeping on

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.680
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers in two thousand and five, they caught the

0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:50.480
<v Speaker 2>league sleeping on Jordan Love in twenty twenty. You are

0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.160
<v Speaker 2>not going to be able to find franchise quarterbacks every

0:22:53.240 --> 0:22:56.080
<v Speaker 2>year past that number ten fifteen spot. There's just teams

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:59.160
<v Speaker 2>are moving up, they're trying to make things happen. The Packers'

0:22:59.200 --> 0:23:01.760
<v Speaker 2>ability to do that, I don't when people try to

0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:04.360
<v Speaker 2>make this comparison, Well, they spent so high to get Pennix, Yeah,

0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:06.080
<v Speaker 2>because that's normally what teams.

0:23:05.800 --> 0:23:08.440
<v Speaker 3>Happen exactly, that is what you have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was part of when the Falcons head coach

0:23:12.359 --> 0:23:15.520
<v Speaker 1>and general manager were answering questions about the Pennix pick.

0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:18.160
<v Speaker 1>They were saying, hey, we spent a bunch of money

0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 1>on Kirk Cousins, but we know we're going to need

0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:22.879
<v Speaker 1>a quarterback down the line. We're not expecting to end

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<v Speaker 1>up with a top ten pick with Kirk Cousins as

0:23:25.560 --> 0:23:27.639
<v Speaker 1>our quarterback going to be back, so right, you're going

0:23:27.680 --> 0:23:29.520
<v Speaker 1>to be further back in the first round. So if

0:23:29.560 --> 0:23:31.639
<v Speaker 1>we're looking at the quarterback of the future, we have

0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.200
<v Speaker 1>to get him now while we have the high pick,

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.720
<v Speaker 1>because we're planning to be picking in the twenties or

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<v Speaker 1>later because of what we're paying Kirk Cousins to do

0:23:39.320 --> 0:23:40.000
<v Speaker 1>for the franchise.

0:23:40.040 --> 0:23:41.840
<v Speaker 2>And at the last point I'll make about that twenty

0:23:41.880 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>twenty draft, people always say, well, you know T Higgins

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 2>was still available, Patrick Queen was still available, but Denzel

0:23:48.119 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>Mims was also still available. I took Ross Blacklock in

0:23:51.400 --> 0:23:53.560
<v Speaker 2>one of my mock drafts that year. He ended up

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.399
<v Speaker 2>going at forty and he's out of the league at

0:23:55.400 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. Right, You never know. The Packers knew they

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:01.639
<v Speaker 2>had some thing there with Jordan Love. There was a

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>good scouting report on him. We listened to Sam Seal

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:06.520
<v Speaker 2>last weekend talking about, you know, he had a hand

0:24:06.560 --> 0:24:09.480
<v Speaker 2>and looking at a love as well when you feel

0:24:09.480 --> 0:24:11.840
<v Speaker 2>good about guys, when we talk about best player available

0:24:11.840 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and all that stuff, and it's not always true in

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 2>terms of, you know, if you're not gonna Packers were

0:24:15.640 --> 0:24:17.480
<v Speaker 2>not going to draft a quarterback this year. They didn't

0:24:17.520 --> 0:24:19.919
<v Speaker 2>need to in the first round or second round. But

0:24:20.600 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 2>the truth is when you build that board, as you

0:24:22.520 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 2>talked about our last show, you bake it into the

0:24:24.240 --> 0:24:26.439
<v Speaker 2>cake and you see what's all available to you. I

0:24:26.480 --> 0:24:28.239
<v Speaker 2>think that's the most exciting thing. And if I'm an

0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta Falcons fan, I don't care about the fact that

0:24:31.520 --> 0:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Cousins was signed and Pennix was drafted at number eight.

0:24:35.160 --> 0:24:37.119
<v Speaker 2>I care about the fact that finally I feel like

0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:38.240
<v Speaker 2>I have a quarterback.

0:24:38.320 --> 0:24:39.880
<v Speaker 3>I have multiple quarterbacks, and.

0:24:39.800 --> 0:24:41.800
<v Speaker 2>There's a reason to believe again because Mike. I think

0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Atlanta was the number one example of if you don't

0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:47.680
<v Speaker 2>have a guy, whether it was trying to bring in

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Marcus Mariota or doing the Desmond Ritter experiment or all

0:24:51.000 --> 0:24:53.360
<v Speaker 2>this thing, all these different things they've done since Matthew,

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>since Matt Ryan left, right, you're gonna fall into that

0:24:56.680 --> 0:24:58.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of purgatory in the league, and you're not gonna

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.400
<v Speaker 2>be high enough to get a top guy, you're also

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>not gonna.

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<v Speaker 1>And it doesn't And if you don't have that guy,

0:25:03.000 --> 0:25:05.440
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't matter what you put around it. They were

0:25:05.440 --> 0:25:08.720
<v Speaker 1>trying to do it by putting the best possible playmakers

0:25:08.760 --> 0:25:11.479
<v Speaker 1>around that guy. But if but if that guy is

0:25:11.520 --> 0:25:14.360
<v Speaker 1>not the guy, it's it's not it's not gonna work.

0:25:14.440 --> 0:25:16.200
<v Speaker 2>You can give me Kobe Steak, Mike, I'm not gonna

0:25:16.200 --> 0:25:17.439
<v Speaker 2>be able to do much with it, you know what

0:25:17.440 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean. Like if you can have the best ingredients possible,

0:25:19.640 --> 0:25:20.960
<v Speaker 2>but you have to you have to have somebod that's

0:25:20.960 --> 0:25:21.680
<v Speaker 2>gonna cook with it.

0:25:21.800 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say quickly too. With regard to the twenty

0:25:23.840 --> 0:25:26.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty draft, Patrick Queen was the guy that I really

0:25:26.560 --> 0:25:29.480
<v Speaker 1>liked and I was disappointed the Packers did not take him.

0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.320
<v Speaker 1>But and Patrick Queen's a solid NFL player, but the

0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:35.800
<v Speaker 1>Ravens didn't even bring him back on a second contract.

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 1>He's he became a free agent, went and signed somewhere else.

0:25:38.600 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 2>And I bet you got pretty excited when an ESPN

0:25:40.720 --> 0:25:42.960
<v Speaker 2>threw up that comparison graphic for Edrian Cooper too.

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Patrick Queen, there we go whom the Packers were able

0:25:46.400 --> 0:25:47.760
<v Speaker 3>to get at forty five overall.

0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there we go.

0:25:48.800 --> 0:25:49.359
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<v Speaker 1>sorts of orientation stuff physicals, get their equipment, get you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their shoes, their helmet, the all kinds of stuff, figure

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<v Speaker 1>out where they get food, you know, learn the building

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0:26:36.480 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 1>to players in the locker room on Friday. We'll also

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<v Speaker 1>get a chance to watch some of the first practice

0:26:43.840 --> 0:26:48.239
<v Speaker 1>on Friday. Just quickly your your approach, your thoughts on

0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:50.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of what you like to keep your eye on

0:26:51.400 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>during this Rookie Mini camp.

0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 2>Two things I always enjoy watching is one seeing who

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.919
<v Speaker 2>the tryout players end up being there, always ends up

0:26:57.920 --> 0:27:00.199
<v Speaker 2>being a name or two that you don't expect that

0:27:00.280 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 2>ends up being involved with it. And then occasionally you

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:04.679
<v Speaker 2>find a Lucas Patrick out of this bunch that ends

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:07.280
<v Speaker 2>up being a player for you. The undrafted process does

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.120
<v Speaker 2>not just begin and end immediately after the draft. It'll

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:13.360
<v Speaker 2>keep going on. Another guy that speaks that is Emmanuel

0:27:13.359 --> 0:27:16.199
<v Speaker 2>Wilson last year, starting with Denver getting cut ending up

0:27:16.240 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 2>with Green Bay makes a fifty three man roster that's

0:27:18.880 --> 0:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>always neat to see. But the other thing I enjoy

0:27:21.600 --> 0:27:23.960
<v Speaker 2>about it, it's not gonna be overly competitive. You're not

0:27:24.000 --> 0:27:26.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna see guys you know, there's gonna be no scuffles,

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:27.760
<v Speaker 2>will be nothing like that. Everyone will be on their

0:27:27.800 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>best behavior, and the packers are mostly just gonna want

0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:32.080
<v Speaker 2>to get these guys growing accustomed to what they're gonna

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:34.919
<v Speaker 2>expect when they come back for OTAs in the format

0:27:35.000 --> 0:27:37.439
<v Speaker 2>of those practices. But it's always neat when you can

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>see the athleticism of these guys, and that's really all

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:41.239
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna be able to see. You're gonna be able

0:27:41.280 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 2>to see the speed, You're gonna be able to see

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:45.640
<v Speaker 2>the way they catch the ball or in Michael Pratt's case,

0:27:45.680 --> 0:27:48.199
<v Speaker 2>the way he throws the ball. That to me is

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 2>where it's the first time you get eyes on these

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:51.919
<v Speaker 2>guys because you can look at their highlights, you can

0:27:52.040 --> 0:27:54.680
<v Speaker 2>you can see their bios and all the things that

0:27:54.680 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 2>they accomplished in college. But this is the first time

0:27:56.920 --> 0:27:59.679
<v Speaker 2>you actually get to see the players in the semi

0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 2>unit and kind of going about their process. And it's

0:28:03.520 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 2>a weird thing because you know, we do like a

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.439
<v Speaker 2>bunch of interviews and then we watch the practice, then

0:28:09.520 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>mattle talk, and then we'll watch another practice. So you

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>only learn so much, but I think it gives you

0:28:17.359 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>a definite feel. Like, for example, the first time we

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 2>saw Lucas fantast you're like, oh, okay, well this is

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:23.240
<v Speaker 2>why this guy was drafted thirteenth overall.

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this looks like a.

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:28.200
<v Speaker 1>Greek god, right right, Yeah, looking at it, it's it's

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>always interesting to me looking at just getting a chance

0:28:32.320 --> 0:28:34.800
<v Speaker 1>to see what they look like physically on the field

0:28:34.880 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>with their helmet on, even though they're not in pads.

0:28:37.320 --> 0:28:39.920
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's it's it's just you know, shorts and helmets,

0:28:40.280 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>but seeing what they look like physically when when Okay,

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:45.920
<v Speaker 1>this isn't This isn't your college team anymore. This is

0:28:45.960 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>more the cream of the crop of the college guys.

0:28:48.400 --> 0:28:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Even when you're talking the tryout guys who don't have

0:28:50.440 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 1>a contract, those are still the guys who were, you know,

0:28:53.160 --> 0:28:55.560
<v Speaker 1>the cream of the crop in college. Not it's not

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 1>just you know, eighty five scholarship players on one sideline.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.000
<v Speaker 1>But then the other thing that always that always strikes

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:06.240
<v Speaker 1>me is is just watching some of the fundamental stuff,

0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:09.120
<v Speaker 1>like how do guys catch the ball? I mean, you know,

0:29:09.200 --> 0:29:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I'll never forget. It's always stood out to me. The

0:29:12.840 --> 0:29:16.560
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen rookie Mini camp one of the things. And

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 1>for whatever reason that day, I don't know exactly why,

0:29:19.680 --> 0:29:22.479
<v Speaker 1>but the Packers were doing were doing all kinds of

0:29:22.880 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 1>punt and punt return drills in that rookie Mini camp practice,

0:29:26.320 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 1>and Micah Hyde is back there fielding punts, yep. And

0:29:29.800 --> 0:29:33.040
<v Speaker 1>you know he looked he looked as natural and as

0:29:33.080 --> 0:29:36.360
<v Speaker 1>smooth and easy catching all, you know, these wobbly punts

0:29:36.400 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 1>and everything else, as anybody had ever seen as a rookie.

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:42.240
<v Speaker 1>It's just you look at that guy and you go, ah,

0:29:42.280 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 1>that's the that's a baller. You know, like there was

0:29:45.280 --> 0:29:48.560
<v Speaker 1>nothing that was going to phase that guy. And and

0:29:48.640 --> 0:29:51.520
<v Speaker 1>sure enough, he was just a rookie fifth round pick

0:29:51.520 --> 0:29:53.840
<v Speaker 1>out of Iowa who ran too slow at the time,

0:29:54.360 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and we all know what he became for both the

0:29:57.480 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 1>Packers and the Buffalo Bills. So those are the kinds

0:29:59.520 --> 0:30:03.400
<v Speaker 1>of things that that are always interestable, and it's just

0:30:03.480 --> 0:30:06.000
<v Speaker 1>it's such a brief introduction. You know, they get they

0:30:06.080 --> 0:30:08.080
<v Speaker 1>get the playbook and they get you know, I don't know,

0:30:08.240 --> 0:30:11.000
<v Speaker 1>half a dozen or a dozen plays just to you know,

0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 1>they they get a quarterback like Michael Pratt to just

0:30:14.200 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 1>learn how to spit out a couple of different plays

0:30:16.120 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 1>in the huddle and uh, and to get everybody on

0:30:18.720 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 1>the same page and whatnot. Because as you said, the

0:30:20.840 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>next the next step then is toward the end of

0:30:23.440 --> 0:30:26.520
<v Speaker 1>this month, when the OTAs begin. They're thrown in there

0:30:26.560 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>with all the veterans. Then it's like, okay, this is

0:30:28.840 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>a this is gonna be a real, non padded but

0:30:32.080 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 1>a real NFL practice that these guys are going to

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>be in and uh, and they get you know, three

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.520
<v Speaker 1>four weeks of that, including the mini camp in the

0:30:39.520 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 1>middle of June.

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.600
<v Speaker 2>And one other thing to mention too, just very quickly

0:30:42.880 --> 0:30:45.400
<v Speaker 2>with Michael Pratt, because yeah, OTAs are going to come

0:30:45.400 --> 0:30:47.400
<v Speaker 2>around and it'll be just like training camp where it's

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:50.560
<v Speaker 2>predominantly Jordan Love and Sean Clifford will get some snaps

0:30:50.600 --> 0:30:53.440
<v Speaker 2>as well. But you know, as we learned, uh you know,

0:30:53.600 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it was yesterday. You know, Alex McGoo is

0:30:55.400 --> 0:30:58.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna be making the switch over to receiver now. So

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:01.560
<v Speaker 2>Michael Pratt is sitting in that umber three spot. That

0:31:01.720 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 2>means that you're not going to be the fourth guy up,

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 2>You're going to be the third guy out. Yeah, So

0:31:05.960 --> 0:31:07.920
<v Speaker 2>if you know, if trickle things coming down and trickle

0:31:07.920 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 2>to your OTAs, you have to be ready for that moment.

0:31:10.040 --> 0:31:12.640
<v Speaker 2>It sounds like the young man has that disposition about him.

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:16.200
<v Speaker 2>But it again one of the reasons why when you

0:31:16.240 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 2>think of like Sean Clifford jumping in the way he did,

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:21.600
<v Speaker 2>or even Tim Boyle back in twenty eighteen. Yeah, they

0:31:21.640 --> 0:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>set that tone right from the beginning of OTAs to

0:31:24.080 --> 0:31:26.200
<v Speaker 2>make their case for making a roster right being the

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 2>number two quarterback and all the every opportunity matters. So

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<v Speaker 2>even if it is you know, if you don't really

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<v Speaker 2>recognize anybody right away, you trying to just figure things

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<v Speaker 2>out while you're out there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's all it's all reviewed, it's all graded.

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately that's how you start setting a depth charties

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<v Speaker 2>you get into training camp.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nobody wins or loses any jobs, any jobs during

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<v Speaker 1>the rookie mini camp, except maybe the tryout guys. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about the draft picks and the undrafted guys

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<v Speaker 1>who have already signed. Nobody wins or loses any jobs

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<v Speaker 1>during the rookie minicamp. But first impressions do matter and

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<v Speaker 1>that and these guys know that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and it's exciting too, because there's very few times

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<v Speaker 2>where you and I will go out there and it's

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<v Speaker 2>just you're looking at a completely new football team. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there will usually be like, what maybe forty between thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five fifty guys that are out there on the field,

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how big the UFA classes and how many

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<v Speaker 2>returning veterans are eligible to play participate in it. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's again, it's setting out the books and pens and

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<v Speaker 2>papers for the first day of school. It's another step

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<v Speaker 2>towards getting back towards the season and ultimately figuring out

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<v Speaker 2>if any of these eleven guys can make the impact

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that draft class did a year.

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<v Speaker 1>Ago absolutely well. On our next show, we will share

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<v Speaker 1>some of our first impressions with regard to the Rookie

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<v Speaker 1>Mini Camp, but for now we'll call it a rap.

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<v Speaker 1>On this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow

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<v Speaker 1>all of our coverage of the team. Everything with regard

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<v Speaker 1>to Rookie Mini Camp that we have access to, we

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<v Speaker 1>will cover it to the best of our ability on

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<v Speaker 1>packers dot com or wes. I Am Mike. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for tuning in, everybody who will see you next time.