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Speaker 1: like that. Welcome to the radio home of Ron and

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Speaker 1: Anian the Car Doctor, since this is where car owners

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Speaker 1: the world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 1: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 1: but I am here to take your calls at eight

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Speaker 1: five five five six, And now running is the rest

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Speaker 1: question to ask. It's but it's all about the timing.

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Speaker 1: family escaped. The Inanian family escaped HUT five thousand miles

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Speaker 1: do you what do you see that you know that

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Speaker 1: you're convention your conventional car, you'd show up and you'd

427
00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: have an engine compartment fire or something electrical in the

428
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: passenger compartment, and you'd quickly extinguish it with water, you know,

429
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 1: as long as they're whitney challenges of fuel tank rupture

430
00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 1: or so forth, and it would be pretty standard. The

431
00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: e VS with the batteries, where are the issue that's

432
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:28,520
Speaker 1: creating is they take a large amount of water to

433
00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,439
Speaker 1: cool those batteries down. Uh, you know, they get and

434
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 1: what they call like a thermal runaway and even according

435
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 1: to the manufacturer, they recommend thousands of gallons of water

436
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 1: UH directly applied to the batteries with continuous temperature monitoring

437
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,639
Speaker 1: and and most of the manufacturers even recommend monitoring the

438
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: temperature for up to twenty four hours to make sure

439
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 1: that they don't reheat, you know, and from the fire

440
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: department standpoint, you can see how you had to be

441
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: at a vehicle fire for twenty four hours is very

442
00:22:58,119 --> 00:23:01,479
Speaker 1: long time to be there, are compared to your you know,

443
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,920
Speaker 1: your conventional car fire. Right, you're tying up, you're tying

444
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 1: up a resource, you're tying up trucks, you're trying, you're

445
00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: tying up personnel and correct to watch something that may

446
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 1: or may not erupt correct. And the last you know,

447
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: just the last two we've had over the last yes,

448
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 1: then well two days ago. In the day before that,

449
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: our our engine crew had by the time it was

450
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: all said and done, you know, between both of those,

451
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,639
Speaker 1: probably four to five hours on each call that they

452
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,920
Speaker 1: sat on the road just flowing water on the best

453
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 1: we can get to the battery. Which is another challenge

454
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: with those vehicles is they do a really good job

455
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,159
Speaker 1: at sealing them, you know, which makes it difficult to

456
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 1: apply water directly to the battery, so you know, you know,

457
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,239
Speaker 1: we do a lot of spring under the car and

458
00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 1: trying to flood it from the floor pan inside, you know,

459
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 1: and hopes that it will get down to those battery

460
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: compartments to keep it cool. Were these vehicles the ones

461
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,639
Speaker 1: that burst into flame, are they were they were they

462
00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: in water, like submerged in water and then they burst

463
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,280
Speaker 1: into flame or just exposure to the amount of water

464
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: rain conditions that you guys had. You know, honestly, I

465
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: can't say just from the last two we had, UM,

466
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: I don't know there's their circumstances for those vehicles. I

467
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,640
Speaker 1: would imagine with the storm surge that we had, and

468
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,959
Speaker 1: you know, and a lot of the homes and vehicles

469
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 1: that we had damaged along the coast, that it was

470
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: probably submersion. Uh. But they the last two we had

471
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,760
Speaker 1: were actually being towed um and we were called by

472
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: the tow companies as they were on fire basically on

473
00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:31,360
Speaker 1: the tow truck um. And you know, and right now

474
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 1: they're just they're towing numerous amounts of storm related vehicles,

475
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,440
Speaker 1: mostly from flooding. So you know, we could only surmise

476
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: that these are being towed out of homes and or

477
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 1: flood or flooded areas. How many gallons do you think

478
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 1: it takes to put out the average ev fire? You know,

479
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 1: it's hard to say, because we hooked to a hydrant.

480
00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: You know, our trucks carry seven fifty gallons, but we

481
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: hooked a hydrant. We flow directly off of a hydrant,

482
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,919
Speaker 1: and you know we're flowing for up to four or

483
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: five hours, just flowing on that, you know, on that

484
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 1: battery compartment, trying to keep it cool. You know, I'd

485
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: say we go through you know, at least six seven

486
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: thousand gallons plus easily. Any any thoughts on what would

487
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 1: what would you do if you didn't have the hydrants?

488
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,119
Speaker 1: I mean, what if you were out on a remote

489
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,719
Speaker 1: stretch of road, where would you get the water? Would you? Well,

490
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,280
Speaker 1: so we do have in in our rural areas that

491
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 1: have no water, we have water tenders, and we've talked

492
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: about you know, shuttling water. Um. However, that that would

493
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,199
Speaker 1: be a really long process to keep that going, you know,

494
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 1: to run shuttles out there, you know, and we even

495
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 1: have a discussion with our guys that you know, if

496
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 1: you get to a point and they're well enough to

497
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,560
Speaker 1: involved where we don't think we're going to even stop

498
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,199
Speaker 1: the thermal runaway or cool the batteries, and we're in

499
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 1: a place that doesn't have hydrants. You know, some at

500
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 1: some point you have to make a tactical decision and

501
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 1: just protect everything around it, and you know, and and

502
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,639
Speaker 1: possibly let it burn. Just let it burn. Yeah, Um,

503
00:25:58,040 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 1: I wonder how long they would burn for. That's I

504
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,719
Speaker 1: guess that's a whole other conversation, right, Yeah, And I

505
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 1: know neighboring departments have had some that were more well involved,

506
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 1: you know, and and I think they've typically extinguished those quicker,

507
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: you know than when you catch them. And you're just

508
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: cool in the batteries because you know that it will

509
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,360
Speaker 1: burn through everything relatively quick. No knowing what you know now?

510
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: And for those of you just tuning in, we're talking

511
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: to the Assistant chief for the North Collier Fire Department,

512
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,719
Speaker 1: James Hammond. Um knowing what you know now, James, you know,

513
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,600
Speaker 1: will you will you will the fire department? Will you

514
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,760
Speaker 1: guys talk you know as you come to your end

515
00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: and get ready for next year. Different equipment, different training.

516
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've been trained on t vs,

517
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: but this is sort of a different situation, right, This

518
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: is just an evolving thing here. What you know, what

519
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: we you do differently next year for the next time,

520
00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, For us, I think I don't know if

521
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: we were trained any different. We're you know, we stay

522
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,960
Speaker 1: pretty up to date on the training. UM We've kind

523
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 1: of been prepared for because we do have a large

524
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: amount of them in southwest Florida, uh, you know, and

525
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,639
Speaker 1: we we have of our guys have access on the

526
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: apparatus UM or all of our crews have access on

527
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: the apparatus to the emergency response guides that the n

528
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 1: f A n f p A puts out and they

529
00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: can look up any particular e V battery gives them

530
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: all the hazards and how did you treat it? I

531
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 1: think the changes that we would probably see as planning

532
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 1: uh for hurricanes or storms, you know, in the storm

533
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: surge m our response maybe a little different. I don't

534
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: think any of us in the department expected to have

535
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: this kind of issue, you know, with the vehicles post storm.

536
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: You know, we're always prepared for a storm, and we

537
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: make certain preparations and we try to get certain messages

538
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,960
Speaker 1: out to our to our residents. But I don't think

539
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: any of us really saw this coming with you know

540
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: what it vehicles from. This is a once in a

541
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,400
Speaker 1: lifetime This is a once in a lifetime surge right,

542
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,479
Speaker 1: correct storm? Correct, Yeah, I'll tell you what. James, sit tight,

543
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 1: let me pull over. Take applause. When we come back,

544
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit further and uh

545
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: we'll go from there. I'm talking with James Hammon, the

546
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 1: assistant chief of North Collier Fire Department. I'm running eating

547
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: the car doctor. I'll return right after this. Don't go

548
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: away and they're waiting army clock back while the name

549
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: of car Doc compared today was the assistant chief for

550
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: the North Collier North Collier Fire Department in Florida, James Hammond,

551
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 1: and we're talking about the results of Hurricanean and how

552
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,320
Speaker 1: they're dealing with the electric vehicle fires. James, when we

553
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: when we pulled away for the break um, the vehicles

554
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: that failed as a result of Ian. You know, was

555
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: there a way to prevent the fires that you guys

556
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 1: have had, you know, maybe removal from the scene prior,

557
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,280
Speaker 1: but then where would you put them? Yeah? You know,

558
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,720
Speaker 1: I don't know what the answer until they can really

559
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: dig into this and find the root cause of what

560
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: really created the fires. Obviously, the best prevention for us

561
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: in hindsight of weathering the storm would have been removal

562
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: from the area. Um you know, but then we're where

563
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: do you evacuate to. We have a lot of seasonal residents,

564
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: A lot of our residents may not even been here

565
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 1: at the time, you know. And if these cars are

566
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 1: just stored in a garage, and you know, how do

567
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: you get those evacuated in time? If the residents aren't

568
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: even here. Um, you know, I don't really know how

569
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: you would prevent the fires. Hopefully, post storm, with the

570
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 1: amount that are damaged, it will be something that will

571
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: be studied and we'll all learn from it and and

572
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: figure out how to best work it in the in

573
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 1: the future situations. So, these weren't necessarily cars that were

574
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: just parked out on the street that got wet. These

575
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 1: were cars. Some of this was cars that were parked

576
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: in garages and the houses just got such a storm

577
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 1: surge the garage was flooded and the car was under water. Correct.

578
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we've had we've had some that we're in

579
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: parking lots. We've had some that we're in parking garages

580
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: of different high rise buildings, and we've been around to

581
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: some of our most damaged neighborhoods that still have them

582
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: in their garage that are that their garage was underwater. Uh.

583
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of people that live along the

584
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 1: coast build their houses up higher for flooding, but the

585
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:12,040
Speaker 1: typically the ground floor usually becomes the garage or gets enclosed,

586
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: you know. And um, so we've seen them everywhere, and

587
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: we've seen them flooded in a garage. We've seen them

588
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: flooded and carried out of the garage, you know, basically

589
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: discarded in the ditch. And then we've seen them in

590
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: parking garages that were flooded. When you think about you know,

591
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 1: as a firefighter, um, and you're preparing for that that

592
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: fire from you know, if you were going to explain

593
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: it to the rookie and say, hey, when you're dealing

594
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 1: with an internal combustion engine fire, you've got these concerns.

595
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: When you're dealing with an electric vehicle fire, you've got

596
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: these concerns. You know, what are the differences and exposures

597
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: and and and the chemicals that are released and because

598
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: there's got to be some toxicity to the stuff that's

599
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: coming out in the fire of that e V. Correct, Yeah, correct,

600
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: and fortunate for us. We treat all of our fires

601
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: the same, you know, UM, with our protective gear and

602
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: our breeding apparatus and air packs and uh you know,

603
00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: and the and the guys in the in the men

604
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: and women on the rigs trained for that, so they're

605
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: very well versed in personal protection. Now. I mean, obviously

606
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 1: your standard vehicle fire puts off a lot of different

607
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: chemicals with the with the components that's made out of

608
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of the evs are made

609
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,480
Speaker 1: with similar components in the passenger compartment. But you know,

610
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: we do we are make them aware of the different

611
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: chemicals that can come out of a lit the m

612
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: I on battery that's on fire or heating up, um,

613
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: you know, and we try to keep them addressed that

614
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: and obviously stay you know, out of that out of

615
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: the path of that smoke while we're trying to cool them.

616
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: The vehicles that were being told that caught fire. And

617
00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: you were telling me a story prior to us going

618
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: on air about um the one vehicle cut fire in

619
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: someone's garage that I understand that correctly, Um, was that

620
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: we yeah, we there are reports of them catching on

621
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: that some have been in the garage. Our district has

622
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: our fire department has not had any specifically in a garage.

623
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: Ours have all been in open areas. Um. Two of

624
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 1: ours were being on basically on a flatbed tow truck. UM,

625
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: where the driver had had started smoking and the driver

626
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: had to drop it on the roadway. Okay, so he

627
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: got he got it off the flatbed. Oh yes, yes,

628
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: both of our our last two incidents were on a

629
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:30,959
Speaker 1: flatbed tow truck where the driver actually had just dropped

630
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: it where he was at. Was there damage to the

631
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: roadway as a result of the fire? Uh? Those particular

632
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: ones we did not. Uh. We had a pretty good

633
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: response time and the crews were able to get water

634
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: on it, uh rather quickly. But it's still you know,

635
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: both of those incidents, just the ones over the weekend,

636
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, the cruise were there for almost five hours

637
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: cooling it, you know, protecting everything in the roadway. Have

638
00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: you seen the reports and this is set it from Ian,

639
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: But I've been doing some reading about how fire departments

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Speaker 1: are going to deal with the EV fire in the future.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen the stories that they're considering developing a

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Speaker 1: dunk tank that you You you may have a giant

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Speaker 1: tank that you pulled behind a truck on a trail

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00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 1: or filled with water and you're just gonna pick it

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Speaker 1: up by crane and bunk. I have actually um there

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Speaker 1: there's studies coming out of Europe, I believe, where they're

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Speaker 1: actually designing trucks for that. UH. And honestly, it's been

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Speaker 1: some of our guys consideration on on the fires that

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Speaker 1: we've had of recent if there was close enough waterway,

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Speaker 1: there was discussion of moving it to UM to the

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Speaker 1: water to put it in. UH. And actually a fire

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Speaker 1: department in Lee County, just adjacent to us UH last

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Speaker 1: week had a fire, had a had an e V

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Speaker 1: on fire and they actually posted on their social media

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Speaker 1: where they had the tow truck move it to a

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00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: flooded storm ditch and they dropped it. They dropped it

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Speaker 1: in the ditch and post that on their social media

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Speaker 1: that hey, we know the vehicles here, no need to

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Speaker 1: call nine one one, We're letting it cool for a day. Basically,

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Speaker 1: it's in short what they said on their posts. So

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Speaker 1: we've all had that mindset if there was close enough

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Speaker 1: water that we could put it in and and drop it.

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Speaker 1: That thought has crossed our mind. Also, Oh, man, you

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Speaker 1: guys have your hands full. I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: do it. God bless you, so thank you you guys. Um,

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Speaker 1: you guys have your hands full. James, I want to

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Speaker 1: say thank you. I appreciate you taking the time today.

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Speaker 1: And um, you know the listeners have you know, have

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Speaker 1: so much concern for the ev uh future. I guess

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Speaker 1: it's the best way to say it. So we heard

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Speaker 1: your story and we wanted to bring some light to it. Um,

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Speaker 1: if there's ever anything for having me, Oh, you're very welcome.

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Speaker 1: There's ever anything we can do if you know, things

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Speaker 1: get updated, you want to come up and talk about

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00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: it again. The microphone is always open, so you know,

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Speaker 1: you guys stay safe and be well. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: You're very welcome. I'm running eating in the car. Doctor.

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Speaker 1: We're back right after this. Don't go away, Hey, welcome back.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick pause and get out of here.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Assistant Chief him, and we appreciate him

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Speaker 1: taking the time. We appreciate you being there listening until

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Speaker 1: the next time I'm on an any in the car.

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Speaker 1: Doctor reminded each and every one of you that well

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Speaker 1: the mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. And uh, just think

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Speaker 1: about everything that's going down in Florida and say a

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Speaker 1: prayer and hope for a speedy recovery, and uh, God

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Speaker 1: blessed all those out there that are doing their job.

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Speaker 1: See you