WEBVTT - Draft Show: Combine Recap 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:08.080 This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.960 war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep 0:00:12.000 --> 0:00:15.840 within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco, 0:00:16.160 --> 0:00:26.200 Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's. Today is Wednesday, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:30.360 March eighth, twenty twenty three. We are a clean and 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:35.680 even fifty days out from the NFL Draft in Kansas City, Missouri. 0:00:36.040 --> 0:00:39.080 As we are now underneath the half century mark, Welcome 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:41.479 into the Draft Show presented by Miller White. We are 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.519 back at the Star in Frisco and the s WBC 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:47.760 studios with the entire crew. Bobby Belt, Zach Walchuck, Brian 0:00:47.800 --> 0:00:50.760 brought us Aisha Boris, and I'm Kyle Yeoman's everybody, how 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:54.000 are we doing? Doing great? Being great? I really enjoyed 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:57.160 you guys. Uh Zack and I were on local we 0:00:57.160 --> 0:00:59.400 were having to do baseball coverage this past week. You 0:00:59.400 --> 0:01:01.120 guys did a heck of a job from the combine. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:04.000 Thank you, really really good job Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 0:01:04.200 --> 0:01:05.920 Bobby covering it for a one oh five three of 0:01:05.959 --> 0:01:09.800 the fan uh super Information super Interviews, you guys did 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:11.920 uh you know with Will McClay. I was listening to 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:13.640 that one the other day. If he can't go back 0:01:13.680 --> 0:01:15.319 and listen to that. It gives you, you, guys, ask 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:18.360 some great questions, gave you some great insight of really 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.720 how they're looking at these players coming up. I think 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.600 it was really really well done on your guys part. 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.800 Had some big time. Fomo was listening to it all 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:27.360 the way back the fight. Yeah, you got question. Really 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.520 did well and I had Fomo and spring training. You know, 0:01:29.560 --> 0:01:31.600 I'm a base pay I know you are. We if 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.640 we could have been in both places at the same time, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:35.080 we would have found a way to do it. We'll 0:01:35.080 --> 0:01:39.080 get teleportation down at something himself, because you're not a 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.640 na of them. My body still recovered from Dunalton. If 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.160 we could beat two places at once, well fair never 0:01:46.240 --> 0:01:48.200 fair enough. I'm right back in the basketball mode too, 0:01:48.360 --> 0:01:50.440 So yeah, it works out. Bobby, how was your combine? 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:53.480 It was great. It was way too brief. I learned, 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:56.560 don't drop in on Friday, because then everybody that you 0:01:56.640 --> 0:01:59.440 want to hang out with and see is is telling 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.400 you I've been going way too hard four nights in 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:04.440 a row and I don't feel like going a fifth. 0:02:04.520 --> 0:02:06.440 Then you go, okay, I guess we'll get coffee in 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:08.800 the morning or something. So but it was it was. 0:02:08.840 --> 0:02:10.720 It was a good trip. I just need to get 0:02:10.720 --> 0:02:12.760 there earlier next year, Brian. We need to lobby to 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.120 get you there. Next year, we're gonna pound the table. 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.959 Let's say baseball. Like thirty years of my life was 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:19.919 spent at that place, some guys. I'm glad you guys 0:02:20.000 --> 0:02:22.280 got you. I got lost in the skywalk like three 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.960 different times. I was trying to get to the Omni. 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:27.799 At one point I was like, this is supposed to connect, 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.239 and it didn't. It didn't. It's okay. Brian and I 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:31.920 couldn't find his car when we got back from the 0:02:31.919 --> 0:02:35.480 airport either. We walked around like a No. I didn't 0:02:35.520 --> 0:02:38.200 get Toad. Yeah, that was something I talked about on 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:39.440 the air. I thought I was gonna get Toad from 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.160 DFW because I parked in one hour parking for a 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:47.000 whole weekend. What, Yeah, didn't happen. It wasn't. It wasn't 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.120 clear that I wasn't supposed to be there. I don't know. 0:02:49.560 --> 0:02:51.880 I didn't get towed, But you didn't get toad. You're fine, No, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:53.720 it's here. It didn't get stole. I parked in one 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:55.760 hour parking now here at the Star and we're gonna 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:57.520 be here an hour twenty. We'll say that I'll get 0:02:57.560 --> 0:03:02.360 you out. We'll make sure it's good. But yes, I agree. 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.080 Next year the goal is to get everybody. The combine 0:03:05.120 --> 0:03:08.240 sounds Goodbody was there? Aisha killed it. We had Patrick 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:11.040 Walker there as well, Alex Lily who ran everything and 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:15.120 set up the draft show. Everybody was phenomenal. Late, stayed 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.079 a whole day, stayed late, crushed it just to talk 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:20.840 to Jerry Jones. He did that for everybody. So just 0:03:20.919 --> 0:03:22.520 when you look at us and what we're doing, look 0:03:22.520 --> 0:03:24.920 at Alex Lily too, all right and Chris Beam in 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.799 the back. So let's talk about the combine. Who who 0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:32.000 raised up your draft boards? Who started to shoot upward 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:34.280 for your draft boards based off of what you saw 0:03:34.280 --> 0:03:37.240 at the combine? Aisha, why I gotta go first? Could 0:03:37.280 --> 0:03:39.400 you look down? And I made it very odd because 0:03:39.440 --> 0:03:41.280 you got a lot of notes over there, lady. I 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.760 was reading, and I was reading. I think I'm a 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.280 little higher on Roderick Jones than I was initially. Okay, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.240 I think a lot of people thought at Ohio State. 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:52.360 I think a lot of people were already high on him, 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.960 but I still want to see how he how he tested, 0:03:55.000 --> 0:03:58.400 how he looked, and he pretty excuse me, George, Yeah, 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:02.240 I'm thinking to Jones. I was thinking, Dawan Jones, my bad. 0:04:02.360 --> 0:04:05.360 Oh different Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was I mean, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:08.720 four nine forty. He actually is taller than what people expected. 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:09.960 They thought he was gonna come in at six four. 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:13.480 He's six five. Um, the length is there, and I 0:04:13.520 --> 0:04:15.720 just feel like he tested what I just some of 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.160 these guys, I mean, especially the offensive lineman. I think 0:04:18.360 --> 0:04:21.640 that teams are trying to decide do I value technique 0:04:21.760 --> 0:04:24.159 or do I just value power? And my guys bigger 0:04:24.200 --> 0:04:26.400 than you, And he's one of those guys that has 0:04:26.440 --> 0:04:28.480 a little bit of both to me and a good 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.080 amount of both. So he has some versatility from what 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:34.440 I'm looking at. Yeah, he talk, Oh I got him 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.120 in that. Yeah, I've got him absolutely. I think he's 0:04:37.200 --> 0:04:39.160 right in the mix. When you start to talk about 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:44.400 what he potentially could bring a team. You watch that tape, man, 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:48.200 I mean, he gets off the ball, he gets into people, 0:04:48.279 --> 0:04:51.680 he gets up the field. He you know, he's mobile, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:55.800 the agility, all those things that you want. I think 0:04:55.839 --> 0:04:58.800 I just nailed him about. There were some probably a 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.440 little bit of questions about some of his technique, but 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:03.680 then the more you watch him, the more you study him, 0:05:04.120 --> 0:05:06.440 you see that, like, listen, this guy is. He's a 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.279 young guy that's got just really so much upside to 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:14.080 his game because how long and how powerful he is. Yeah, 0:05:13.600 --> 0:05:17.200 I'm a big fan of his. He's a mean maler. Yeah, 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.520 I think you're on something there. I was just shocked 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.560 at how athletic Darnel Washington ended up being like that dude, 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:27.559 holy lye cow. I mean I had him eleven offensive lineman. Yeah, okay, 0:05:27.640 --> 0:05:30.320 So I tweeted that. I tweeted that I thought this 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.039 could be Jason Peters because Jason Peters did the same 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:36.080 thing that Arkansas. I was a tied end and then 0:05:36.200 --> 0:05:39.000 converted offensive tackle and had a Hall of Fame career 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.240 as an offensive tackle. But then you watched like to 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.680 your point and you're looking at me where all of 0:05:43.680 --> 0:05:46.120 a sudden, No, I just believe I thought it was 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.160 a joke. No, no, no, no, when you watched the 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:53.120 tables best attribute as the block, No, no, no joke. Here. 0:05:53.200 --> 0:05:55.560 There are people scouts across the league who will tell 0:05:55.560 --> 0:05:58.159 you they some of them think tackle is his future. Wow. 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.719 I tweeted that just thinking of because back in my day, 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:05.760 way back in my day, Jason with Jason Peters thought 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:07.760 the same thing. I'm thinking, this guy's a good time 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.640 George has got great tight ends. Let's not man. They 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.360 mean they it's incredible. You might have a top ten 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.640 pick next next year for sure. But see, that's what 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:17.960 I'm saying about this guy when you watch him hit 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.880 the sled and to your point about power and drive, 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:22.960 and but then he goes out and he makes these 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:26.680 one handed catches and stuff like that, and you're like going, Okay, 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.120 maybe he's not a tackle, you know, maybe he is 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:31.640 a tighty. But man, I mean that's when I thought, 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:34.839 put thirty pounds on this guy. Put twenty five pounds 0:06:34.880 --> 0:06:37.520 on this guy and let him go be an offensive 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:39.080 I think he I think he's got a shot of 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.000 being a really, really good well because he does. He 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.240 looks like he's a third offensive tackle on the field. 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:45.760 I mean, he is a difference maker in the run game, 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:48.760 and he kind of lumbered around like he moves well 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:51.160 for his size at six foot seven. There's no doubt 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:53.880 about it. I didn't think like he was unathletic four 0:06:54.160 --> 0:06:56.320 short shuttle, but he ended up having the best short 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.120 shut and then he ran what was it a four 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:01.479 six four forty Yeah, like holy cow that I didn't 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.840 think he would put up anywhere near those kind of numbers. 0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.120 And now I think maybe I need to relook at 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:08.640 where do I have my tight end rankings. He really 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.360 understands the leverage. Yeah, I feel like even even watching 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:14.600 him do the sled drills like you see the things 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.400 that are on film translate as far as him understanding leverage, 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.680 getting getting under his past absolutely and understanding his strength 0:07:20.800 --> 0:07:24.400 using his bass. So I guess ill I cannot believe, y'all. 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.840 I mean, I do understand it. But I just thought 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.480 people were saying, like, oh, he could be because he's 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:31.560 such a good blocking tight end. Yeah he can be 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:34.160 an extra lineman, but child for real, like this man, Yeah, 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.240 they didn't met that. I just I just I just 0:07:36.280 --> 0:07:39.040 started thinking about Jason Peters. That's so I thought of 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.200 and I and I and Jason Peters is had a 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:43.840 Hall of Fame career tackle It was it was a 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:47.240 was a tight end at Arkansas. Do you think so? 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.520 Do you think that be an immediate switch would that 0:07:49.520 --> 0:07:51.800 be a rookie seasons go on. I'm just like I say, 0:07:51.920 --> 0:07:54.240 it's you know, weird things you start to think of, 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:56.520 like it's the whole thing when you look at John 0:07:56.560 --> 0:08:00.520 Michael Smith's from Minnesota and you're thinking and you're thinking like, 0:08:00.640 --> 0:08:03.000 well he could play guard, and then you think about 0:08:03.000 --> 0:08:06.640 our kid that from North Dakota State, the kid up 0:08:06.680 --> 0:08:09.600 there though mount Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think 0:08:09.920 --> 0:08:11.680 I think it's Malk. I had a North Dakota State 0:08:11.680 --> 0:08:13.840 Bison fan reached out to me and said I was 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:17.000 pronouncing it wrong. So who knows did he say used 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:20.600 guys whenever you said when he didn't say it's what 0:08:20.720 --> 0:08:23.440 you said, he said it's Malk. So maybe we should 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:26.080 fact Okay, well, let's okay, I'm gonna fact check it right, 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:29.600 fact check that. See. But anyway, there's a guy that 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:31.160 you know, you all of a sudden, he's a tackle 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.440 and I'm looking at him as a center, you know, 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:36.560 I mean, there's a guy. Sometimes you watch these guys 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:39.320 and you're thinking some of these corners, you think, well, 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:41.080 this guyuld be a better safety. I did it with 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:44.840 Stevenson from Miami. Same thing. You know, you see you 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.240 see a corner playing. But you're thinking, man, I think 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:49.959 he could play safety, or I think this this tackle 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.600 could play center. You know, It's just it's just the 0:08:53.640 --> 0:08:57.040 weird game that scouts play and it's not something that 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.839 you know right now. I mean I would be I 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.559 would be really interested to see if we start to 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:06.040 hear some buzz once we get closer to the draft, 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:10.800 what Bobby's talking about our scouts saying, Man, this kid Washington, 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.400 you could play him at you know, you could play 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:14.720 him at tackle. He would be a good tackle. We 0:09:14.760 --> 0:09:17.720 start to hear maybe some more people are talking about 0:09:17.760 --> 0:09:19.880 that position switch. All right, here we go. I've got 0:09:19.880 --> 0:09:24.240 a I've got a pronunciation here ready, Cody mouk? It 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:28.120 is mauk. How about that? Thank goodness, I got nervous. 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:31.720 Am I about to get dunked on? Here? What's going on? No? 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:35.120 Good job? Well done, dude. All right, so i'd players 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.120 We've mentioned Cody Mount. Now I'm gonna have to say 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.520 that a couple times to get it in the brain. 0:09:39.720 --> 0:09:43.240 Darnell Washington, did any of these quarterbacks surprise you a 0:09:43.280 --> 0:09:45.360 little bit? And what they're able to do? I mention 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.440 one growled out of Ohio State. Can I mention one 0:09:47.440 --> 0:09:50.000 guy real quick. For myself, sure, DJ Turner of the 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.520 cornerback from Michigan, when I saw him run in all this, Okay, Now, 0:09:54.640 --> 0:09:57.160 to me, that's guy's kind of a nickel corner. I mean, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.560 he's a nickel slot player to me. And I, you know, 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:03.040 I think that's one of those things where now you've 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:04.760 got to kind of go back and say, well, do 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:06.760 you think he could play on the outside? You know, 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:10.040 do you think he could? You know, he's he's five eleven, 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:13.319 he's one hundred and seventy eight pounds. You know. That's 0:10:13.360 --> 0:10:15.160 the problem I'm having And I don't know if you 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:18.000 guys are having this problem too. I'm looking at all 0:10:18.040 --> 0:10:22.480 these slight guys. You know, our guy, guy miss to 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:28.200 be stay Pops Forbes one sixty six, you know, and 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.640 the guy could play his ass off, and you're like, going, 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.320 but he's won sixty six, you know. And then I 0:10:33.440 --> 0:10:35.040 used to know you talk to him and he's like, no, 0:10:35.160 --> 0:10:37.720 I played at one seventy five or one seventy three 0:10:37.800 --> 0:10:40.200 or whatever like that, and you're just but he's still 0:10:40.320 --> 0:10:42.440 you measuring. You see him at one sixty six, and 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.600 you're like, but this is a damn good player, really 0:10:44.640 --> 0:10:47.079 good Turner's the same way to me, you know, I 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.480 see one hundred and seventy eight pound guy and I'm liking. 0:10:49.760 --> 0:10:51.599 I mean, I was watching the Michigan State game and 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.840 I'm thinking he got bullied on the outside a little bit. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:57.560 But I think like he helped himself with because to 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:00.920 play that inside position, you're gonna need to have quickness, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:02.920 You're gonna need to have speed, You're gonna need to 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:05.160 have all those things. I think maybe some people kind 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.520 of had him down a little bit, but I could 0:11:07.520 --> 0:11:10.400 see him being a guy that will rise up on 0:11:10.760 --> 0:11:12.719 some boards because of his speed. Where do you think 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:15.959 he's he a Day two guy? He's absolutely a Day 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:18.360 two guy. Absolutely a Day two guys. So so I'm 0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.440 sorry to interrupt you about your quarterback. You're good. Well. 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:23.080 Corner has been a huge topic of conversation. I'm sure 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:26.400 that's going to continue because the Cowboys had notable interest 0:11:26.559 --> 0:11:29.040 in looking at some of the top corners during the 0:11:29.040 --> 0:11:32.120 week in Indianapolis, Guys like Devin Witherspoon out of Illinois, 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.160 Deontay Banks out of Maryland, Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon. 0:11:35.840 --> 0:11:38.800 There are multiple names in that cornerback category in a 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.160 deep quarterback or a cornerback class. So now I kind 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:44.080 of want to switch here. We'll talk about you're gonna 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:46.360 have to dig in on banks. By the way, why 0:11:46.480 --> 0:11:48.560 is that You're gonna have to dig in. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:50.840 you're gonna have to dig in. Some of the interview 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:53.400 stuff and things wasn't great. Yeah, I think that, And 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:56.800 I'm not saying not great. I'm saying that there's things 0:11:56.840 --> 0:11:59.640 that these teams test on, you know, where they put 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:01.800 you on the board or they ask you questions and 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.520 stuff like that, and you know, there was some questions. 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:06.920 There's some questions. This kid is a hell of a player. Man, 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:08.720 you throw the tape on you watch him move. I 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.480 was watching him do that Al Davis flip your hip 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:14.439 drill where they they they back, they pedal, they open, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:17.120 they open, they they just I mean, you're just like, 0:12:17.200 --> 0:12:19.559 and this guy's so thick and then he's bursting out 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:21.199 of that, you know, and you're like, oh God, dang, 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.080 I love to have this guy on my team. But 0:12:23.120 --> 0:12:25.120 you're gonna have to dig in on this guy. You know, 0:12:25.160 --> 0:12:26.920 you're gonna have teams or I mean, I could see 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:28.520 this being a guy that does a lot of thirty 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:31.360 visits a lot of people that you know, talk to him, 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.439 put him on the board, see what he really knows. 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:35.920 See if he can you know, if he can adjust 0:12:35.960 --> 0:12:38.760 to to what you're trying to do scheme wise. But man, 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.960 he is a hell of a football player athriticism wise. 0:12:42.040 --> 0:12:44.280 I mean, he's next level and he ran well too, 0:12:44.280 --> 0:12:48.160 tested well, did everything right. Everybody's seen him, right, does 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.560 everybody watching Deontay Banksy? Does it look simple to him? 0:12:51.800 --> 0:12:54.080 Is it made simple for him from a defensive scheme 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.400 standpoint when you're watching some of the film to the 0:12:56.440 --> 0:12:58.520 point where if he does have to come up and 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.280 do something different and have kind of a multiple look 0:13:01.280 --> 0:13:03.160 at the at the NFL level, do you think it's 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:05.400 gonna Well, that's the whole thing though about Yeah, that's 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:07.480 the whole thing about these corners. Man, when they put 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:09.560 you out there, you can't bust now because if you 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.559 bust then all of a sudden, it's a huge play. 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.199 You know, And and you know he played well at 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:17.280 Maryland and you're you know, you're you know, I don't 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:18.920 I'm not gonna sit and act like I know what 0:13:19.000 --> 0:13:22.000 you know, what what defense? What they're Yeah, I'm not 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:23.719 gonna sit there and ask like what they're asking their 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:25.800 guys to do. I'm just talking about the ability to 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:28.480 cover and stuff like that. But then you know, you 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:31.240 start to hear those those whispers and stuff like that 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.959 about well you need to you know, and they say 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:36.280 they'd say dig in, dig in on him, you know, 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:38.679 find ask other people, hey, how did this work for him? 0:13:38.760 --> 0:13:40.280 Did you get a chance to talk to him about 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:42.719 this that the other So there's a lot more. The 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.440 disadvantage we have here is we don't get to talk 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.800 to now you you talk to players. You got you know, 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.760 at the Combine you got to talk to players. I 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:55.520 didn't get to talk to players, and I know back 0:13:55.559 --> 0:13:57.839 then either, So there's things you can learn. So when 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.000 you talk to teams about these players now you have 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.560 to figure out like, oh, okay, this is what's going on. Well, 0:14:04.600 --> 0:14:09.080 in regard to Deyance Banks, I I well, I was 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.240 talking to some people there and I remember I came 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:15.360 across a pretty dope decordinator and I mentioned like, hey, 0:14:15.400 --> 0:14:17.720 some of these guys are undersized, some of these guys 0:14:18.120 --> 0:14:20.280 do need have a learning curve and stuff, and he 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.960 literally said, well, what's our job like that's our job, 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.080 And so I think it depends on who you're talking 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:29.560 to how immediately they want to plug in this player 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.000 also too, like because I think we've seen the last 0:14:32.040 --> 0:14:35.680 couple of years cornerback specifically, I feel like the position 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.320 is on an uptick. I feel like we have a 0:14:37.360 --> 0:14:39.480 couple quite a few rookies coming in and making a 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.680 difference immediately. Do you want that or do you want 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:44.680 a guy that you maybe have to develop a little bit. 0:14:44.680 --> 0:14:47.160 Because to your point about Deyonce, it's like some people 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:49.040 gonna look at him and be like, he's so natural 0:14:49.120 --> 0:14:51.760 and he's so good if I have to teach him 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:54.080 or how to simplify things for him as he grows 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:56.120 to learn the position in oh well, But then some 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.800 people are like, no, I need a cornerback too right 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:02.040 now that can understand and everything right now and plug 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.960 them in right now. And I think that that's the 0:15:05.000 --> 0:15:07.280 fact that that that that is always the coaching perspective. 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:08.640 I feel like it's like, you know, what's their job, 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:10.120 It's to get it out of him. So it's that 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:12.800 delicate balance of I can get it out of him, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.920 I'm supposed to coach him up. That's my job. Versus 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:18.520 what could be dangerous sometimes, which is oh I can 0:15:18.560 --> 0:15:21.640 fix him. Yeah yeah, give me that clay and let 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.840 me and that has burned. That's that's burned. This this 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.320 building occasionally is the I can fix them and it 0:15:29.560 --> 0:15:32.920 doesn't always work out, and so um, you just you 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.400 need to be sure. Tyler Smith was a guy last 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.880 year who they felt like they could they could fix 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.120 his issues, and they were right because he had the 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.240 work ethic. But that's why you have these Areas Scouts 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:43.320 and these National Scouts and the whole staff to work 0:15:43.320 --> 0:15:45.160 on these things and understand, all right, this is the 0:15:45.240 --> 0:15:47.600 kid's work ethic, this is his drive, This is how 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:49.360 easily I think he takes to coaching, this is how 0:15:49.400 --> 0:15:52.640 smart I think he is, and and it all comes together. Yeah, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:54.880 you need all of it. Well, there's one other corner, 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:57.400 and I don't know that he necessarily needed help, but 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.760 Christian Gonzalez, local kid out of the colony. Oh man, 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:04.960 and the drills you mentioned you, David, Yeah, the pedal 0:16:05.000 --> 0:16:07.440 And you get a lot when you're talking about those 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:09.080 guys in the way they flipped and you're like, oh 0:16:09.120 --> 0:16:11.600 my gosh, he's just the way they breaks and the 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:13.680 way he moves, so you don't hate him anymore, Brian, 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:17.760 you hate him? You didn't never, no, no, no no. 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:22.040 Every time I've gotten to watch him, sometimes you get overlap. Right. 0:16:22.080 --> 0:16:25.080 You'll watch another player and they're playing against Oregon and 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.360 it's like, oh gosh, there's Christian Gonzalez making another player 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.320 destroyed that guy. Oh my goodness, there's Christian Gonzalez, and 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.320 you start to like the player even more. And that's 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:36.960 happened to me during this process with Christian Gonzalez, Porter 0:16:37.080 --> 0:16:40.480 Gonzalez Witherspoon top three for me, that's all in that order. 0:16:40.520 --> 0:16:42.000 That's all I got it. I thought Porter was gonna 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:44.880 run better, all right? Did that knock him down a 0:16:44.880 --> 0:16:47.080 little bit? No? Not no, I just I thought he 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:51.040 would run better. I had heard him because I'll go 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:55.640 to I'll go to State State College at I'll tell you. 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:59.120 I thought it was really disappointing. Testing wise, was Jordan Addison. 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:03.200 Jordon Addison Just look at this. Jordan Adison came in. 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:06.160 He's wearing one hundred and seventy three pounds. Darnel Washington 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.480 weighs two sixty four. Darnel Washington's ten yards split was 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:12.320 one five seven. Jordan Adison's was one five six. Darnel 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.040 Washington's vertical was thirty one. Jordan Adisons was thirty four. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.560 They both had a broad jump of ten two. It 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.080 was awful athletic testing for a guy who's as slight 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:23.160 as he is. Yeah, he's got he He didn't run 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:27.000 the shuttle, he didn't run the three cone, and so Addison. 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.840 I thought his testing was terrible, especially for a guy 0:17:28.840 --> 0:17:30.480 who weighs one seven. I'll be happy to go out 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:32.040 to LA and get that time for you. I'll do 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.159 love LA every time a year. I'd be happy to go. 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:40.920 Are you fly into all these is American airlines? We're 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.800 gonna drop mama. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me ask you this 0:17:43.840 --> 0:17:46.200 so real quick before we hit this break, before we 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:51.160 hit this break. Uh, the dude, with this testing stuff, 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.280 have we learned our lesson on this? Have we learned 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:59.080 our lesson about testing? I don't think our lesson is seven. 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.919 That's I'm sane. When you watch these kids play on tape, 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.840 you know, I think it's part of the puzzle. But man, 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:07.760 just if you said you can have the workout of 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.240 the tape, give me the tape. Sure, give me the 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.320 tape every single time but yes, but when there is 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.240 if you just completely ignore the athletic testing, you also 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:20.920 get Tease Taver from Florida. That's that's a good plan. 0:18:21.080 --> 0:18:23.960 I think that you gotta take all the information and 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.280 put it together and come to a decision. And I 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.000 think I think it's taped mostly, and so when Addison's 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:33.840 testing so just aggressively seems to depart from what you 0:18:33.880 --> 0:18:35.400 see on tape, I think it's at least going, Okay, 0:18:35.400 --> 0:18:38.160 what happened here? Or why is this the case? Charles 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:39.840 Harris a number of years ago when he was coming 0:18:39.840 --> 0:18:42.359