Speaker 1: This is the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your
Speaker 1: war room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep
Speaker 1: within the confines of Cowboys Headquarters at the Star in Frisco,
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys and now your host, Kyle Yeoman's. Today is Wednesday,
Speaker 1: March eighth, twenty twenty three. We are a clean and
Speaker 1: even fifty days out from the NFL Draft in Kansas City, Missouri.
Speaker 1: As we are now underneath the half century mark, Welcome
Speaker 1: into the Draft Show presented by Miller White. We are
Speaker 1: back at the Star in Frisco and the s WBC
Speaker 1: studios with the entire crew. Bobby Belt, Zach Walchuck, Brian
Speaker 1: brought us Aisha Boris, and I'm Kyle Yeoman's everybody, how
Speaker 1: are we doing? Doing great? Being great? I really enjoyed
Speaker 1: you guys. Uh Zack and I were on local we
Speaker 1: were having to do baseball coverage this past week. You
Speaker 1: guys did a heck of a job from the combine.
Speaker 1: Thank you, really really good job Dallas Cowboys dot Com.
Speaker 1: Bobby covering it for a one oh five three of
Speaker 1: the fan uh super Information super Interviews, you guys did
Speaker 1: uh you know with Will McClay. I was listening to
Speaker 1: that one the other day. If he can't go back
Speaker 1: and listen to that. It gives you, you, guys, ask
Speaker 1: some great questions, gave you some great insight of really
Speaker 1: how they're looking at these players coming up. I think
Speaker 1: it was really really well done on your guys part.
Speaker 1: Had some big time. Fomo was listening to it all
Speaker 1: the way back the fight. Yeah, you got question. Really
Speaker 1: did well and I had Fomo and spring training. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm a base pay I know you are. We if
Speaker 1: we could have been in both places at the same time,
Speaker 1: we would have found a way to do it. We'll
Speaker 1: get teleportation down at something himself, because you're not a
Speaker 1: na of them. My body still recovered from Dunalton. If
Speaker 1: we could beat two places at once, well fair never
Speaker 1: fair enough. I'm right back in the basketball mode too,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it works out. Bobby, how was your combine?
Speaker 1: It was great. It was way too brief. I learned,
Speaker 1: don't drop in on Friday, because then everybody that you
Speaker 1: want to hang out with and see is is telling
Speaker 1: you I've been going way too hard four nights in
Speaker 1: a row and I don't feel like going a fifth.
Speaker 1: Then you go, okay, I guess we'll get coffee in
Speaker 1: the morning or something. So but it was it was.
Speaker 1: It was a good trip. I just need to get
Speaker 1: there earlier next year, Brian. We need to lobby to
Speaker 1: get you there. Next year, we're gonna pound the table.
Speaker 1: Let's say baseball. Like thirty years of my life was
Speaker 1: spent at that place, some guys. I'm glad you guys
Speaker 1: got you. I got lost in the skywalk like three
Speaker 1: different times. I was trying to get to the Omni.
Speaker 1: At one point I was like, this is supposed to connect,
Speaker 1: and it didn't. It didn't. It's okay. Brian and I
Speaker 1: couldn't find his car when we got back from the
Speaker 1: airport either. We walked around like a No. I didn't
Speaker 1: get Toad. Yeah, that was something I talked about on
Speaker 1: the air. I thought I was gonna get Toad from
Speaker 1: DFW because I parked in one hour parking for a
Speaker 1: whole weekend. What, Yeah, didn't happen. It wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: clear that I wasn't supposed to be there. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I didn't get towed, But you didn't get toad. You're fine, No,
Speaker 1: it's here. It didn't get stole. I parked in one
Speaker 1: hour parking now here at the Star and we're gonna
Speaker 1: be here an hour twenty. We'll say that I'll get
Speaker 1: you out. We'll make sure it's good. But yes, I agree.
Speaker 1: Next year the goal is to get everybody. The combine
Speaker 1: sounds Goodbody was there? Aisha killed it. We had Patrick
Speaker 1: Walker there as well, Alex Lily who ran everything and
Speaker 1: set up the draft show. Everybody was phenomenal. Late, stayed
Speaker 1: a whole day, stayed late, crushed it just to talk
Speaker 1: to Jerry Jones. He did that for everybody. So just
Speaker 1: when you look at us and what we're doing, look
Speaker 1: at Alex Lily too, all right and Chris Beam in
Speaker 1: the back. So let's talk about the combine. Who who
Speaker 1: raised up your draft boards? Who started to shoot upward
Speaker 1: for your draft boards based off of what you saw
Speaker 1: at the combine? Aisha, why I gotta go first? Could
Speaker 1: you look down? And I made it very odd because
Speaker 1: you got a lot of notes over there, lady. I
Speaker 1: was reading, and I was reading. I think I'm a
Speaker 1: little higher on Roderick Jones than I was initially. Okay,
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people thought at Ohio State.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people were already high on him,
Speaker 1: but I still want to see how he how he tested,
Speaker 1: how he looked, and he pretty excuse me, George, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking to Jones. I was thinking, Dawan Jones, my bad.
Speaker 1: Oh different Jones. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I was I mean,
Speaker 1: four nine forty. He actually is taller than what people expected.
Speaker 1: They thought he was gonna come in at six four.
Speaker 1: He's six five. Um, the length is there, and I
Speaker 1: just feel like he tested what I just some of
Speaker 1: these guys, I mean, especially the offensive lineman. I think
Speaker 1: that teams are trying to decide do I value technique
Speaker 1: or do I just value power? And my guys bigger
Speaker 1: than you, And he's one of those guys that has
Speaker 1: a little bit of both to me and a good
Speaker 1: amount of both. So he has some versatility from what
Speaker 1: I'm looking at. Yeah, he talk, Oh I got him
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, I've got him absolutely. I think he's
Speaker 1: right in the mix. When you start to talk about
Speaker 1: what he potentially could bring a team. You watch that tape, man,
Speaker 1: I mean, he gets off the ball, he gets into people,
Speaker 1: he gets up the field. He you know, he's mobile,
Speaker 1: the agility, all those things that you want. I think
Speaker 1: I just nailed him about. There were some probably a
Speaker 1: little bit of questions about some of his technique, but
Speaker 1: then the more you watch him, the more you study him,
Speaker 1: you see that, like, listen, this guy is. He's a
Speaker 1: young guy that's got just really so much upside to
Speaker 1: his game because how long and how powerful he is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his. He's a mean maler. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're on something there. I was just shocked
Speaker 1: at how athletic Darnel Washington ended up being like that dude,
Speaker 1: holy lye cow. I mean I had him eleven offensive lineman. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So I tweeted that. I tweeted that I thought this
Speaker 1: could be Jason Peters because Jason Peters did the same
Speaker 1: thing that Arkansas. I was a tied end and then
Speaker 1: converted offensive tackle and had a Hall of Fame career
Speaker 1: as an offensive tackle. But then you watched like to
Speaker 1: your point and you're looking at me where all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, No, I just believe I thought it was
Speaker 1: a joke. No, no, no, no, when you watched the
Speaker 1: tables best attribute as the block, No, no, no joke. Here.
Speaker 1: There are people scouts across the league who will tell
Speaker 1: you they some of them think tackle is his future. Wow.
Speaker 1: I tweeted that just thinking of because back in my day,
Speaker 1: way back in my day, Jason with Jason Peters thought
Speaker 1: the same thing. I'm thinking, this guy's a good time
Speaker 1: George has got great tight ends. Let's not man. They
Speaker 1: mean they it's incredible. You might have a top ten
Speaker 1: pick next next year for sure. But see, that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying about this guy when you watch him hit
Speaker 1: the sled and to your point about power and drive,
Speaker 1: and but then he goes out and he makes these
Speaker 1: one handed catches and stuff like that, and you're like going, Okay,
Speaker 1: maybe he's not a tackle, you know, maybe he is
Speaker 1: a tighty. But man, I mean that's when I thought,
Speaker 1: put thirty pounds on this guy. Put twenty five pounds
Speaker 1: on this guy and let him go be an offensive
Speaker 1: I think he I think he's got a shot of
Speaker 1: being a really, really good well because he does. He
Speaker 1: looks like he's a third offensive tackle on the field.
Speaker 1: I mean, he is a difference maker in the run game,
Speaker 1: and he kind of lumbered around like he moves well
Speaker 1: for his size at six foot seven. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: about it. I didn't think like he was unathletic four
Speaker 1: short shuttle, but he ended up having the best short
Speaker 1: shut and then he ran what was it a four
Speaker 1: six four forty Yeah, like holy cow that I didn't
Speaker 1: think he would put up anywhere near those kind of numbers.
Speaker 1: And now I think maybe I need to relook at
Speaker 1: where do I have my tight end rankings. He really
Speaker 1: understands the leverage. Yeah, I feel like even even watching
Speaker 1: him do the sled drills like you see the things
Speaker 1: that are on film translate as far as him understanding leverage,
Speaker 1: getting getting under his past absolutely and understanding his strength
Speaker 1: using his bass. So I guess ill I cannot believe, y'all.
Speaker 1: I mean, I do understand it. But I just thought
Speaker 1: people were saying, like, oh, he could be because he's
Speaker 1: such a good blocking tight end. Yeah he can be
Speaker 1: an extra lineman, but child for real, like this man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they didn't met that. I just I just I just
Speaker 1: started thinking about Jason Peters. That's so I thought of
Speaker 1: and I and I and Jason Peters is had a
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career tackle It was it was a
Speaker 1: was a tight end at Arkansas. Do you think so?
Speaker 1: Do you think that be an immediate switch would that
Speaker 1: be a rookie seasons go on. I'm just like I say,
Speaker 1: it's you know, weird things you start to think of,
Speaker 1: like it's the whole thing when you look at John
Speaker 1: Michael Smith's from Minnesota and you're thinking and you're thinking like,
Speaker 1: well he could play guard, and then you think about
Speaker 1: our kid that from North Dakota State, the kid up
Speaker 1: there though mount Yeah, yeah, I think it's I think
Speaker 1: I think it's Malk. I had a North Dakota State
Speaker 1: Bison fan reached out to me and said I was
Speaker 1: pronouncing it wrong. So who knows did he say used
Speaker 1: guys whenever you said when he didn't say it's what
Speaker 1: you said, he said it's Malk. So maybe we should
Speaker 1: fact Okay, well, let's okay, I'm gonna fact check it right,
Speaker 1: fact check that. See. But anyway, there's a guy that
Speaker 1: you know, you all of a sudden, he's a tackle
Speaker 1: and I'm looking at him as a center, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a guy. Sometimes you watch these guys
Speaker 1: and you're thinking some of these corners, you think, well,
Speaker 1: this guyuld be a better safety. I did it with
Speaker 1: Stevenson from Miami. Same thing. You know, you see you
Speaker 1: see a corner playing. But you're thinking, man, I think
Speaker 1: he could play safety, or I think this this tackle
Speaker 1: could play center. You know, It's just it's just the
Speaker 1: weird game that scouts play and it's not something that
Speaker 1: you know right now. I mean I would be I
Speaker 1: would be really interested to see if we start to
Speaker 1: hear some buzz once we get closer to the draft,
Speaker 1: what Bobby's talking about our scouts saying, Man, this kid Washington,
Speaker 1: you could play him at you know, you could play
Speaker 1: him at tackle. He would be a good tackle. We
Speaker 1: start to hear maybe some more people are talking about
Speaker 1: that position switch. All right, here we go. I've got
Speaker 1: a I've got a pronunciation here ready, Cody mouk? It
Speaker 1: is mauk. How about that? Thank goodness, I got nervous.
Speaker 1: Am I about to get dunked on? Here? What's going on? No?
Speaker 1: Good job? Well done, dude. All right, so i'd players
Speaker 1: We've mentioned Cody Mount. Now I'm gonna have to say
Speaker 1: that a couple times to get it in the brain.
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington, did any of these quarterbacks surprise you a
Speaker 1: little bit? And what they're able to do? I mention
Speaker 1: one growled out of Ohio State. Can I mention one
Speaker 1: guy real quick. For myself, sure, DJ Turner of the
Speaker 1: cornerback from Michigan, when I saw him run in all this, Okay, Now,
Speaker 1: to me, that's guy's kind of a nickel corner. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a nickel slot player to me. And I, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's one of those things where now you've
Speaker 1: got to kind of go back and say, well, do
Speaker 1: you think he could play on the outside? You know,
Speaker 1: do you think he could? You know, he's he's five eleven,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred and seventy eight pounds. You know. That's
Speaker 1: the problem I'm having And I don't know if you
Speaker 1: guys are having this problem too. I'm looking at all
Speaker 1: these slight guys. You know, our guy, guy miss to
Speaker 1: be stay Pops Forbes one sixty six, you know, and
Speaker 1: the guy could play his ass off, and you're like, going,
Speaker 1: but he's won sixty six, you know. And then I
Speaker 1: used to know you talk to him and he's like, no,
Speaker 1: I played at one seventy five or one seventy three
Speaker 1: or whatever like that, and you're just but he's still
Speaker 1: you measuring. You see him at one sixty six, and
Speaker 1: you're like, but this is a damn good player, really
Speaker 1: good Turner's the same way to me, you know, I
Speaker 1: see one hundred and seventy eight pound guy and I'm liking.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was watching the Michigan State game and
Speaker 1: I'm thinking he got bullied on the outside a little bit.
Speaker 1: But I think like he helped himself with because to
Speaker 1: play that inside position, you're gonna need to have quickness,
Speaker 1: You're gonna need to have speed, You're gonna need to
Speaker 1: have all those things. I think maybe some people kind
Speaker 1: of had him down a little bit, but I could
Speaker 1: see him being a guy that will rise up on
Speaker 1: some boards because of his speed. Where do you think
Speaker 1: he's he a Day two guy? He's absolutely a Day
Speaker 1: two guy. Absolutely a Day two guys. So so I'm
Speaker 1: sorry to interrupt you about your quarterback. You're good. Well.
Speaker 1: Corner has been a huge topic of conversation. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's going to continue because the Cowboys had notable interest
Speaker 1: in looking at some of the top corners during the
Speaker 1: week in Indianapolis, Guys like Devin Witherspoon out of Illinois,
Speaker 1: Deontay Banks out of Maryland, Christian Gonzalez out of Oregon.
Speaker 1: There are multiple names in that cornerback category in a
Speaker 1: deep quarterback or a cornerback class. So now I kind
Speaker 1: of want to switch here. We'll talk about you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to dig in on banks. By the way, why
Speaker 1: is that You're gonna have to dig in. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to dig in. Some of the interview
Speaker 1: stuff and things wasn't great. Yeah, I think that, And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying not great. I'm saying that there's things
Speaker 1: that these teams test on, you know, where they put
Speaker 1: you on the board or they ask you questions and
Speaker 1: stuff like that, and you know, there was some questions.
Speaker 1: There's some questions. This kid is a hell of a player. Man,
Speaker 1: you throw the tape on you watch him move. I
Speaker 1: was watching him do that Al Davis flip your hip
Speaker 1: drill where they they they back, they pedal, they open,
Speaker 1: they open, they they just I mean, you're just like,
Speaker 1: and this guy's so thick and then he's bursting out
Speaker 1: of that, you know, and you're like, oh God, dang,
Speaker 1: I love to have this guy on my team. But
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to dig in on this guy. You know,
Speaker 1: you're gonna have teams or I mean, I could see
Speaker 1: this being a guy that does a lot of thirty
Speaker 1: visits a lot of people that you know, talk to him,
Speaker 1: put him on the board, see what he really knows.
Speaker 1: See if he can you know, if he can adjust
Speaker 1: to to what you're trying to do scheme wise. But man,
Speaker 1: he is a hell of a football player athriticism wise.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's next level and he ran well too,
Speaker 1: tested well, did everything right. Everybody's seen him, right, does
Speaker 1: everybody watching Deontay Banksy? Does it look simple to him?
Speaker 1: Is it made simple for him from a defensive scheme
Speaker 1: standpoint when you're watching some of the film to the
Speaker 1: point where if he does have to come up and
Speaker 1: do something different and have kind of a multiple look
Speaker 1: at the at the NFL level, do you think it's
Speaker 1: gonna Well, that's the whole thing though about Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the whole thing about these corners. Man, when they put
Speaker 1: you out there, you can't bust now because if you
Speaker 1: bust then all of a sudden, it's a huge play.
Speaker 1: You know, And and you know he played well at
Speaker 1: Maryland and you're you know, you're you know, I don't
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sit and act like I know what
Speaker 1: you know, what what defense? What they're Yeah, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna sit there and ask like what they're asking their
Speaker 1: guys to do. I'm just talking about the ability to
Speaker 1: cover and stuff like that. But then you know, you
Speaker 1: start to hear those those whispers and stuff like that
Speaker 1: about well you need to you know, and they say
Speaker 1: they'd say dig in, dig in on him, you know,
Speaker 1: find ask other people, hey, how did this work for him?
Speaker 1: Did you get a chance to talk to him about
Speaker 1: this that the other So there's a lot more. The
Speaker 1: disadvantage we have here is we don't get to talk
Speaker 1: to now you you talk to players. You got you know,
Speaker 1: at the Combine you got to talk to players. I
Speaker 1: didn't get to talk to players, and I know back
Speaker 1: then either, So there's things you can learn. So when
Speaker 1: you talk to teams about these players now you have
Speaker 1: to figure out like, oh, okay, this is what's going on. Well,
Speaker 1: in regard to Deyance Banks, I I well, I was
Speaker 1: talking to some people there and I remember I came
Speaker 1: across a pretty dope decordinator and I mentioned like, hey,
Speaker 1: some of these guys are undersized, some of these guys
Speaker 1: do need have a learning curve and stuff, and he
Speaker 1: literally said, well, what's our job like that's our job,
Speaker 1: And so I think it depends on who you're talking
Speaker 1: to how immediately they want to plug in this player
Speaker 1: also too, like because I think we've seen the last
Speaker 1: couple of years cornerback specifically, I feel like the position
Speaker 1: is on an uptick. I feel like we have a
Speaker 1: couple quite a few rookies coming in and making a
Speaker 1: difference immediately. Do you want that or do you want
Speaker 1: a guy that you maybe have to develop a little bit.
Speaker 1: Because to your point about Deyonce, it's like some people
Speaker 1: gonna look at him and be like, he's so natural
Speaker 1: and he's so good if I have to teach him
Speaker 1: or how to simplify things for him as he grows
Speaker 1: to learn the position in oh well, But then some
Speaker 1: people are like, no, I need a cornerback too right
Speaker 1: now that can understand and everything right now and plug
Speaker 1: them in right now. And I think that that's the
Speaker 1: fact that that that that is always the coaching perspective.
Speaker 1: I feel like it's like, you know, what's their job,
Speaker 1: It's to get it out of him. So it's that
Speaker 1: delicate balance of I can get it out of him,
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to coach him up. That's my job. Versus
Speaker 1: what could be dangerous sometimes, which is oh I can
Speaker 1: fix him. Yeah yeah, give me that clay and let
Speaker 1: me and that has burned. That's that's burned. This this
Speaker 1: building occasionally is the I can fix them and it
Speaker 1: doesn't always work out, and so um, you just you
Speaker 1: need to be sure. Tyler Smith was a guy last
Speaker 1: year who they felt like they could they could fix
Speaker 1: his issues, and they were right because he had the
Speaker 1: work ethic. But that's why you have these Areas Scouts
Speaker 1: and these National Scouts and the whole staff to work
Speaker 1: on these things and understand, all right, this is the
Speaker 1: kid's work ethic, this is his drive, This is how
Speaker 1: easily I think he takes to coaching, this is how
Speaker 1: smart I think he is, and and it all comes together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need all of it. Well, there's one other corner,
Speaker 1: and I don't know that he necessarily needed help, but
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzalez, local kid out of the colony. Oh man,
Speaker 1: and the drills you mentioned you, David, Yeah, the pedal
Speaker 1: And you get a lot when you're talking about those
Speaker 1: guys in the way they flipped and you're like, oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, he's just the way they breaks and the
Speaker 1: way he moves, so you don't hate him anymore, Brian,
Speaker 1: you hate him? You didn't never, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: Every time I've gotten to watch him, sometimes you get overlap. Right.
Speaker 1: You'll watch another player and they're playing against Oregon and
Speaker 1: it's like, oh gosh, there's Christian Gonzalez making another player
Speaker 1: destroyed that guy. Oh my goodness, there's Christian Gonzalez, and
Speaker 1: you start to like the player even more. And that's
Speaker 1: happened to me during this process with Christian Gonzalez, Porter
Speaker 1: Gonzalez Witherspoon top three for me, that's all in that order.
Speaker 1: That's all I got it. I thought Porter was gonna
Speaker 1: run better, all right? Did that knock him down a
Speaker 1: little bit? No? Not no, I just I thought he
Speaker 1: would run better. I had heard him because I'll go
Speaker 1: to I'll go to State State College at I'll tell you.
Speaker 1: I thought it was really disappointing. Testing wise, was Jordan Addison.
Speaker 1: Jordon Addison Just look at this. Jordan Adison came in.
Speaker 1: He's wearing one hundred and seventy three pounds. Darnel Washington
Speaker 1: weighs two sixty four. Darnel Washington's ten yards split was
Speaker 1: one five seven. Jordan Adison's was one five six. Darnel
Speaker 1: Washington's vertical was thirty one. Jordan Adisons was thirty four.
Speaker 1: They both had a broad jump of ten two. It
Speaker 1: was awful athletic testing for a guy who's as slight
Speaker 1: as he is. Yeah, he's got he He didn't run
Speaker 1: the shuttle, he didn't run the three cone, and so Addison.
Speaker 1: I thought his testing was terrible, especially for a guy
Speaker 1: who weighs one seven. I'll be happy to go out
Speaker 1: to LA and get that time for you. I'll do
Speaker 1: love LA every time a year. I'd be happy to go.
Speaker 1: Are you fly into all these is American airlines? We're
Speaker 1: gonna drop mama. Yeah. Absolutely. Let me ask you this
Speaker 1: so real quick before we hit this break, before we
Speaker 1: hit this break. Uh, the dude, with this testing stuff,
Speaker 1: have we learned our lesson on this? Have we learned
Speaker 1: our lesson about testing? I don't think our lesson is seven.
Speaker 1: That's I'm sane. When you watch these kids play on tape,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's part of the puzzle. But man,
Speaker 1: just if you said you can have the workout of
Speaker 1: the tape, give me the tape. Sure, give me the
Speaker 1: tape every single time but yes, but when there is
Speaker 1: if you just completely ignore the athletic testing, you also
Speaker 1: get Tease Taver from Florida. That's that's a good plan.
Speaker 1: I think that you gotta take all the information and
Speaker 1: put it together and come to a decision. And I
Speaker 1: think I think it's taped mostly, and so when Addison's
Speaker 1: testing so just aggressively seems to depart from what you
Speaker 1: see on tape, I think it's at least going, Okay,
Speaker 1: what happened here? Or why is this the case? Charles
Speaker 1: Harris a number of years ago when he was coming
Speaker 1: out of Missouri, he tested poorly. Yeah, now that was
Speaker 1: he said it was over fatigue and too much working
Speaker 1: and had heavy legs. Better, his Friday was better. But
Speaker 1: then Charles Harris didn't do great at the next level.
Speaker 1: There's not a whole lot of you know, really poorly
Speaker 1: testing great tape guys that then carry over. Some of
Speaker 1: them do. But but Orlando brown there there's the Orlando
Speaker 1: Browns one of them who did um. But he was awful,
Speaker 1: especially when you're talking about you're talking about when you're
Speaker 1: talking about positions like corner and receiver. It was a
Speaker 1: great tackle now, but he testing was bad. No, he
Speaker 1: was awful. I think his vertical was like twelve inches. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: But the when you look at receiver and corner in
Speaker 1: those positions, it's that's where when it's bad testing and
Speaker 1: making them go okay, which, by the way, good testing.
Speaker 1: Your guy at Perry ran better than you know. We're
Speaker 1: here in buzzy. Yeah. At Perry definitely impressed more for seven.
Speaker 1: Not a bad player. Shout out to Jackson Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba wide receiver one. Why do you do this, Ohio State?
Speaker 1: Let you know, because your wide receiver rankings are pretty poor. Uh,
Speaker 1: and then you know when it comes to Jordan Addison, though,
Speaker 1: I gotta say at Perry played at wake Forest. He
Speaker 1: did play. He did play at wake Forest and Jackson
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba rock Wall Zone Ohio State, and he's
Speaker 1: just STI okay, he's wide receiver one. But Addison, you
Speaker 1: watch gen right, Nishan's brother, and he bullied him all
Speaker 1: day that Oregon State USC game. That's the one thing
Speaker 1: that's got me nervous about Addison because there's tape like
Speaker 1: Stanford crushes it, right, he was crushing it against Utah
Speaker 1: until he got hurt. So there's a lot of things
Speaker 1: to like about Jordan Addison. I'm with you, but when
Speaker 1: he plays against these more physical, big press corners, they
Speaker 1: really did give him problems. Yeah, I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: because you talk about the tape, you talk about the workouts.
Speaker 1: Even Dan Brugler talked about it in Indianapolis. But you
Speaker 1: have to marry the two of them. You don't have
Speaker 1: to marry him fifty fifty. You have to marry him
Speaker 1: eighty twenty. The good teams find the right balance, and
Speaker 1: for the most part, the team across the Way it
Speaker 1: has found a good balance of how to weigh the workouts,
Speaker 1: which is pretty heavy. They do. They do care about
Speaker 1: the workouts and then marry that with the tape and
Speaker 1: be able to have the one two punch. And I
Speaker 1: think all these players that were mentioning here, you have
Speaker 1: to keep that as an extra bullet point and not
Speaker 1: the whole story. I think this team across the Way
Speaker 1: here has figured out that to take the second best
Speaker 1: player on the board. If you have to feel like
Speaker 1: all of sense, like, oh do I take the fifth
Speaker 1: or sixth best corner or take the second best guard,
Speaker 1: I think they figured out to take the second best
Speaker 1: guard and then work the draft from there. That's why
Speaker 1: I don't think that they're you know, they got to
Speaker 1: appointment where like to me, when they're bored, when they're
Speaker 1: the way their board falls, they're like, take that guy,
Speaker 1: take that guy, and then they work from there, instead
Speaker 1: of saying, well, okay, the second best guards on the board,
Speaker 1: which we could use, but by the way, we got
Speaker 1: to have this defenseive end. Oh he's the sixth best
Speaker 1: defensive end. Because they're picking at twenty six or twenty
Speaker 1: seven down in the bottom, you know, they figured out,
Speaker 1: let's just start the draft taking the best player and
Speaker 1: then we'll work from there. I think it's a great
Speaker 1: plan that they have. I really do. That makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense because then you're not pigeonholing yourself. You're
Speaker 1: not and you're getting you're starting your draft off the
Speaker 1: right way, and you're not chasing it by oh wow,
Speaker 1: we you know you look up there, man, we got
Speaker 1: this guy graded so well, but we're gonna take the
Speaker 1: sixth best defensive end. You know, I don't think that
Speaker 1: does you any good. Now, that's a really good point.
Speaker 1: You've seen that the last couple of years. All right,
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Speaker 1: from the Star in Frisco, Bobby Belt, Zach Wilchuck Brian
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Speaker 1: love it all right, Brandon asked, based off of one
Speaker 1: of the conversations we have with Will McClay and Endy
Speaker 1: he talked about biases. Yeah, when watching film surrounding by
Speaker 1: a certain position, he didn't like the fact that he
Speaker 1: wore a towel, or that players wear towels. Wear a towel,
Speaker 1: you're out. That's the bias. He's had to kind of
Speaker 1: suppress some of that throughout his career. What are some
Speaker 1: of your biases, Brian Brandon asked you specifically, But I
Speaker 1: want to hear from the group because we all watched
Speaker 1: the table. We all have the fun with it. Brian
Speaker 1: will let you start. If you're a bias, If you're
Speaker 1: a clapper after every play, if you're clapping, you're a
Speaker 1: bad player. I'm just saying that because clappers are usually
Speaker 1: giving up place. They're always like, oh damn, you know.
Speaker 1: They're like that. You know, And I can tell you
Speaker 1: every time it's done, it's like it's a big play,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a thirty yard pass, and then you
Speaker 1: got the guy tackle or he runs by as somebody
Speaker 1: else's tackling, and he seemed clapping. That's something Bobby reminded me.
Speaker 1: One one more two is my my weak offensive tackles
Speaker 1: And I've been burned by the weak offensive tackle. I mean,
Speaker 1: week when I talk about strength wise because there's been
Speaker 1: some guys like Nate sold Are, David Baktri, Terrence Steele,
Speaker 1: the guys that aren't very strong at tackle physically. Tah,
Speaker 1: what's my guy with the raiderton, Milton Miller another one.
Speaker 1: You know I've been You weren't the only one biased
Speaker 1: against Colton Miller. That was a lot of people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what I'm saying though the week. The clapper
Speaker 1: and the weak offensive tackle are the biases that I have.
Speaker 1: So it sounds like, at least in the Will McClay mindset,
Speaker 1: he's trying to suppress his biases to get the player right.
Speaker 1: It sounds like you're willing to do that for the
Speaker 1: strong offensive tackles. Are they're not so strong offen Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: clappers out, that's a deal I need. I need to
Speaker 1: I need to rethink the weak offensive tackle one. But
Speaker 1: the clapper that that is my trying true right there.
Speaker 1: Our next homework assignment as a group is to find
Speaker 1: a clapper in this draft. Watch there's you. We'll be watching,
Speaker 1: You'll be watching tape and you'll go and it happens
Speaker 1: the later you get in the draft and start making
Speaker 1: when you when you start getting at fifth, sixth, seventh round. Guy,
Speaker 1: A lot of clapping going on basketball court because I
Speaker 1: wasn't a very good basketball player. There go go Zach.
Speaker 1: Do you have any biases? No, I don't have any
Speaker 1: bond now. The one bias that I have, maybe that
Speaker 1: you could say, is I hate the pile jumpers, the
Speaker 1: guys that I mean. Maybe you're around the football. You know,
Speaker 1: you read the play, okay, and then next thing you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I didn't actually make the play, but I
Speaker 1: want to be seen. Maybe I can get credit for
Speaker 1: half a tackle, and I'm just gonna I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: my body in there. I'm gonna jump in. Hey, I'm
Speaker 1: part of this thing. I'm gang tackling with you boys.
Speaker 1: I'm in here. But realistically, you didn't make the bleep
Speaker 1: in play. So when Brian just gave his examples, do
Speaker 1: you have any examples of what description? I'm just asking
Speaker 1: that you know, you've got anybody know, anybody that used
Speaker 1: to play here. You know who's a good example that
Speaker 1: plays on the Giants? Uh, like a fifty four jail number. Hey,
Speaker 1: don't talk about Bob Lilly that way. He was the
Speaker 1: pile Mike Morris from Michigan. Oh, Mike Morris from Michigan.
Speaker 1: It's the dude that you want off the bus to
Speaker 1: lead the team off the squad, Like, damn, that guy
Speaker 1: looks he's not good. He's going to Las Vegas. He
Speaker 1: is not good. He's like, I'm not gonna do anything.
Speaker 1: I'm not productive. But every once in a while, like
Speaker 1: I'll jump in there. Hey, look at me. I was
Speaker 1: part of this. Mike Morris is one of those guys
Speaker 1: from me. Wow, looks the part. Did you have an example,
Speaker 1: Bobby of the pile jump. Sure, no, it wasn't my standard.
Speaker 1: It's is I was asking, do you have any bias?
Speaker 1: You love a good pile jumps? So if so, Brian
Speaker 1: gave the one. Petty gave the petty bias and then
Speaker 1: the actual scouting bias. So I'll give both. Uh. The
Speaker 1: receiver that's towering over everybody is because I've been burned
Speaker 1: too many times by big, stiff receivers treadwell and guys
Speaker 1: like that that. I was like, oh, they're gonna be
Speaker 1: chase if I see if I see the receiver that
Speaker 1: he's just clearly above everybody else, Like in high I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: this isn't gonna play out well, and so I'm against that.
Speaker 1: That's a physicality one the body language one. Any quarterback
Speaker 1: that I ever see do that just kind of the
Speaker 1: shrug and throw their hands up, just like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: what do we gotta do here? Whenever I see that,
Speaker 1: I'm like ear soft, but like, and it's a bias.
Speaker 1: It's it's not necessarily always no, but I mean it's
Speaker 1: as stroud. I didn't feel like was was the big
Speaker 1: heavy throw the arms. I'm the guy that you think
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has died saw Josh Allen Wyomian even though
Speaker 1: I like Josh Allen um and I mean, gosh, some
Speaker 1: of the greats of Peyton Manning did it all the time.
Speaker 1: But when I see it at the college level, I'm
Speaker 1: always like, that feels like a dude who's just trying
Speaker 1: to shift the responsibility away from himself visibly to the show.
Speaker 1: But he like was not me. I don't know what
Speaker 1: happened there. Yeah, one dang um. So one of my
Speaker 1: real like on film biases, especially on the defensive side
Speaker 1: of the ball, is motor because what else do you
Speaker 1: have to do at least be active. It's it's one
Speaker 1: of the few things. It's like, even if they're not
Speaker 1: in the play, at least look like you're trying to
Speaker 1: be involved in the play. I know it's not fair whatever,
Speaker 1: but it is a bias to me. And then also too,
Speaker 1: this is this is probably unfair because I think Blake
Speaker 1: Blake Freeland from b YU have real bad Why are
Speaker 1: you always smiling? Listen that grin off your face? Nah,
Speaker 1: I saw positions. I don't want you smiling. You ain't
Speaker 1: supposed to be nice. No, it's probably nice. They're not lacking, nasty,
Speaker 1: not wrong. There's some there's some people that I'd be like,
Speaker 1: stop cheessing at him. I mean, you just want to
Speaker 1: get rid of all by players if that, because they
Speaker 1: all are smiling at all times, even at the combine
Speaker 1: like he was just I mean, he was killing it.
Speaker 1: But his game doesn't mimic that either. Yeah, So that's like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna be cheessing at people and stuff, at
Speaker 1: least be a little disrespectful in your play. These are
Speaker 1: all really good, like all all sports. I'm sorry, great
Speaker 1: question the motor, but who's a big smiler who breaks
Speaker 1: that in the league? And I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: who's a big smile guy. I guess when when he
Speaker 1: was in the league was Andrew Luck. That was the
Speaker 1: first one where he's like, oh nice play dude, like
Speaker 1: slap him on the butt, Like, oh thanks, dude, you
Speaker 1: just hit me real hard. So yeah, Luck is WI
Speaker 1: breaks that. Philip is the same way. Philip Rivers was
Speaker 1: like that. He was talking mess but he was smiled,
Speaker 1: but he was talking. He would get dirty though, like
Speaker 1: he'd getting nasty of people, kind of counteracted. Andrew Luck
Speaker 1: didn't really do that. Is that father in him? You
Speaker 1: got an example? No, No, I was looking at Freeland
Speaker 1: in his notes, but I didn't have anything about smiling
Speaker 1: in there. He go back watch the player, lack of power.
Speaker 1: He brought up the tackless Freelands making the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame because both of you have bias. Yeah, there's no question.
Speaker 1: Congratulations Freeland a great career. Listen, all right, Matt asked,
Speaker 1: did the combine make katy cowboys targets more likely or
Speaker 1: less likely? If so, who was who would fit in
Speaker 1: each of those categories? Bobby, I'll start with you. If
Speaker 1: there's anybody on the mine, did they may anybody anybody
Speaker 1: off the board or anybody's squarely on the board for Smith.
Speaker 1: There will be people off the board because of medicals.
Speaker 1: But the way they tested Nolan Smith, you know, if
Speaker 1: you had him, I think it. I thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be close. Well here here, I guess there's
Speaker 1: the question. Are you're talking about tested their way out
Speaker 1: of Dallas's range or changed the Cowboys perspective potentially on them?
Speaker 1: Oh I took it as the I think the question
Speaker 1: was asked by Matt for what Bobby's saying. But I
Speaker 1: but I'm not against talking about what Brian saying either.
Speaker 1: Because Nolan Smith tested out of reach for Dallas. I
Speaker 1: think because of the way that he did. Think what
Speaker 1: he did in Indianapolis running a four three ninety fastest
Speaker 1: by a defensive linean out of the entire group and
Speaker 1: one of the fastest Smith and Jig but might have too.
Speaker 1: I was gonna go with Jackson. Jackson, I think that
Speaker 1: that's the guy. I was surprised to even see him
Speaker 1: kind of being mocked around the Cowboys range. I think
Speaker 1: he's a guy that should be a topic you feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like the guy the receiver that you might
Speaker 1: be looking at. If a first round receiver on my
Speaker 1: board might be Johnston from TCU. Okay, that might be
Speaker 1: the guy. I think Jaddison's going to be gone. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's kind of where I'm at. If you talk about
Speaker 1: a guy awesome, I think Smith and Jibber goes up.
Speaker 1: I think Johnston probably comes down. That's that's kind of
Speaker 1: where Jalen Hyatt might have raised his stock too. He
Speaker 1: was phenomenal, ran slower than a lot of people boots
Speaker 1: on grow. A lot of people were like expecting him
Speaker 1: to run fast really and that he was supposed to
Speaker 1: be low for three and granted, game tape shows something
Speaker 1: else like that's fine, whatever, he's a long strider tracking that.
Speaker 1: But he also too had a couple of drops and
Speaker 1: drills that people were just like, what's going on and yeah,
Speaker 1: high it out of Tennessee. Maybe he's there at twenty six,
Speaker 1: So to me, real quick torrents with weight loss down
Speaker 1: to three thirty might might be something that pushes him,
Speaker 1: you know, if if people really they dig in on him.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people had him mocked at
Speaker 1: Dallas at twenty six, but someone might say, well give me.
Speaker 1: People are saying Skeronsky from Northwestern's of Guard, he's gone.
Speaker 1: You don't worry about him. But Torrence, he might be
Speaker 1: a guy that everybody had mocked to the Cowboys. That
Speaker 1: might be one that goes two three picks before you.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Kenyon Green last year. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: n same kind of thing. Had an early thought and
Speaker 1: then he goes at fifteen. Sure when you thought he
Speaker 1: would fall to twenty four, one of the top guys
Speaker 1: at a position. You're going to see those guys go early,
Speaker 1: and then those wide receivers too. Bobby mentioned sir, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: no, no no, no, goad bad. But Bobby mentioned Rashi Rice
Speaker 1: like his forty his split time being better. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I probably should have got the exact number of but
Speaker 1: his split time being better than what people expected. He
Speaker 1: showed some explosiveness off of the line like that. I
Speaker 1: think is going to help him because we worry about
Speaker 1: the separation and stuff. So but you say, would you
Speaker 1: being this explosive off the line, we can refine your
Speaker 1: route running a little bit more than he might be
Speaker 1: a problem. Also to being in the DFW area. I
Speaker 1: feel like he might have upticked a little bit of
Speaker 1: people looking at him. Give now. He tested one four
Speaker 1: nine ten split on a four five one forty, So
Speaker 1: he's got that exploit. His vertical was good. Dig in.
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was having trouble thinking about it.
Speaker 1: I was like, was there anybody who athletic testing wise?
Speaker 1: I think just that maybe would have been of interest
Speaker 1: to them, that maybe the testing didn't hit the right
Speaker 1: parameters and I wasn't thinking of. And then Sanders Kashaw Boutet,
Speaker 1: ok they do like explode, They like more explosive type receivers.
Speaker 1: The ten year it split there was one five eight.
Speaker 1: The vertical is twenty nine inches. I mean that's not
Speaker 1: nine inch vertical on Boutet. I think would be tough
Speaker 1: for them to go. So if you're talking about somebody
Speaker 1: who got their way out of their attention, probably Boute Yeah.
Speaker 1: That makes a lot of mems from Oklahoma come back
Speaker 1: into play for them because of the testing, because the testing,
Speaker 1: but the size, the height, I mean, he was a guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're gonna have to figure out all these
Speaker 1: flowers from you know, flowers boss in college downs North Carolina,
Speaker 1: Mems Oklahoma. Tell me when you guys figure these receivers out,
Speaker 1: these slight receivers, just please let me know and I'll
Speaker 1: I'll trust you question. The question with mems is do
Speaker 1: they just again it's not about size to them so
Speaker 1: much as do they think he can can do other things,
Speaker 1: live outside or does he have to be in the slot.
Speaker 1: If they think he can do more than inside the slot,
Speaker 1: than yeah, I think he's he's and I would I'd
Speaker 1: guess they think he could play outside some and so
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be off the boar for them.
Speaker 1: He ran faster than I know. There were people keenly
Speaker 1: aware of his training that thought he was going to
Speaker 1: run four four nine five. For him here at four
Speaker 1: three eight, that's awesome, and so there there was. He
Speaker 1: was a surprise I think in terms of and even
Speaker 1: still for people who were more optimists about him, I
Speaker 1: think they thought low four four so fro him to
Speaker 1: come at four three eight I think was huge him well,
Speaker 1: and he's a guy when when you hear Mike McCarthy
Speaker 1: talk about what they want its offense to do, you know,
Speaker 1: quick reads, where we're gonna get the ball out quick,
Speaker 1: just get him in space, put the ball in his hands.
Speaker 1: And Marvin Mims is a guy that can go and
Speaker 1: get you that yack after the catch. And I think
Speaker 1: Marvin would fit this offense very very well. He could
Speaker 1: be a contested catch guy too. He is. He's got
Speaker 1: great body control, goes up high points to football. He
Speaker 1: makes some dazzling plays when you watch him in Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: I will say on Hyatt, even though he didn't run
Speaker 1: as fast as people thought, it may have been a
Speaker 1: bad training day or something like that. I don't know, um,
Speaker 1: but I was down there Friday night watching him work
Speaker 1: out get ready for the Saturday run. That's the first
Speaker 1: guy that I've watched run and trained that he literally
Speaker 1: looked blurry when he would run. He is, so I
Speaker 1: think I was stunned. It was just I think because
Speaker 1: when I watched him run that back end of his
Speaker 1: his run, it just he literally looks like a blur
Speaker 1: when he runs. It's insane. The only guys I have
Speaker 1: above Hyatt or Flowers, Johnston, Addison and Smith and Jigba,
Speaker 1: and not in that order. It's actually reversed Smith and
Speaker 1: Jigba first a good eye. I'm right there with you, boy.
Speaker 1: I think Johnston came in much lighter than were expecting.
Speaker 1: Is that because what did he come in at? He
Speaker 1: was at one in at two o eight. Okay, he
Speaker 1: was at one at least on the website print when
Speaker 1: Johnson was two fifteen. Oh what am I looking at? Then?
Speaker 1: I don't know here, I know where my numbers are wrong.
Speaker 1: Quinn Quentinn Johnston, I know I've got his ear before.
Speaker 1: People thought he was going to be around two fifteen,
Speaker 1: and it's just he's he came he came in at
Speaker 1: two o eight um, and I don't know. It'll be
Speaker 1: interesting to see where he weighs at at the end
Speaker 1: of the month when they have pro day for TC.
Speaker 1: I'll be interested to see what his weights out then.
Speaker 1: But there's I was talking to one person in Indy
Speaker 1: this week and they were talking about Quentin Johnston's play
Speaker 1: string and uh they went like this, and then they
Speaker 1: hold up there and I was like, what is that
Speaker 1: and they're like that's his arm. Yeah, like he just
Speaker 1: doesn't have any bolt. Oh interesting, real real quick. They
Speaker 1: want to get one more question in here before we
Speaker 1: get going, Kyle asked, and no, it's not me. Kyle
Speaker 1: Whitchman asked, would you draft Andrew Voorhees out of USC
Speaker 1: guy offensive, I'm in towards ACL in the middle of
Speaker 1: the testing, in the middle of the workout, would you
Speaker 1: draft him and where would you draft him? As the
Speaker 1: question if you're the Cowboys. He's a guy that was
Speaker 1: a thought to be maybe a top one hundred pick
Speaker 1: interior offensive lineman, somebody that could maybe be a project
Speaker 1: moving forward. But he's coming off of now a torn
Speaker 1: acl Do you think he would fit in that that
Speaker 1: sort of conversation, You get those compensatory picks, and they
Speaker 1: did it with Bruce Carter right, sure did. Yeah, this
Speaker 1: team has a history of taking players and trying to
Speaker 1: kind of stash him and try and get him ready. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, I think it's always a possibility with that,
Speaker 1: especially like I say, with the compensatory picks, you know,
Speaker 1: to maybe say, okay, well, hey this is a guy
Speaker 1: that we we you know, I personally, if we're gonna
Speaker 1: stash somebody, I would do it with the Tennessee quarterbacks
Speaker 1: who I would do it. And Hooker that's who I
Speaker 1: would stash. I like that idea. Yeah, you know, to me,
Speaker 1: if you know, if you're gonna if but I was
Speaker 1: talking with Dane Burglar driving over this morning, and you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's something and Zach and I real quick, Zach
Speaker 1: and I did a segment yesterday on the on the
Speaker 1: syndrome with older quarterbacks, the brock Purty syndrome, right where
Speaker 1: teams are looking at give me the quarterbacks that have
Speaker 1: played a ton of snaps. Give me the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: might be a little older. All these quarterbacks might be
Speaker 1: a little older because of what we did in the
Speaker 1: pandemic and the NCAA giving everybody another year, and guy's
Speaker 1: taking advantage of that. You know, Hendon Hooker is gonna
Speaker 1: be what twenty seven years old by the time you
Speaker 1: get him playing. But why do I feel like that's okay?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm okay with that. But I if you're gonna,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna let me take a guy and stash
Speaker 1: him and try and get him healthy. I think I'm
Speaker 1: looking at that quarterback from Tennessee. It's such a calmness
Speaker 1: to his game that, Yeah, I'm a big fan of
Speaker 1: Hendon Hooker, but he's played a ton of snaps. Injury again,
Speaker 1: get hurt in the South Carolina game late in the year,
Speaker 1: and it you know, he's They say he might be
Speaker 1: ready for training camp, and are for the training camp
Speaker 1: or parts of it. But you know these guys Britt
Speaker 1: Brown in them. They take these guys and put them
Speaker 1: back together in a nice way. And I would I
Speaker 1: would gamble more on him than I would maybe that
Speaker 1: offensive lineman if it was me. Yeah, And to your point,
Speaker 1: I mean, we saw this past year how many backup
Speaker 1: quarterbacks had to play this year, about sixty two. I
Speaker 1: think it wants to have a guy that has had
Speaker 1: time and is almost ready to come in and be
Speaker 1: an immediate you know, like filler in that position. I
Speaker 1: guess that does make sense there. Yeah, all right, let's
Speaker 1: take our second break. When we come back, we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk tight ends. There's a lot of tight end talk
Speaker 1: in draft Twitter right now, Cowboys Twitter right now, Is
Speaker 1: it okay to take a look at some of these
Speaker 1: tight ends at pick number twenty six. We'll answer that
Speaker 1: question and a whole lot more. You're looking at me
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Speaker 1: was this tweet I saw yesterday just popped up and
Speaker 1: it wasn't the only tweet. There were just a couple
Speaker 1: of them surrounded. This comes from one Zach Waltchuck and
Speaker 1: the tweets said, Okay, sucks, I can't stay out that
Speaker 1: harsh Why are you even reading his tweets? Tight end
Speaker 1: one Dalton Kincaid being mocked to the Cowboys melky So
Speaker 1: Dalton Kincaid out of Utah. We've already talked about Darnell
Speaker 1: Washington on Georgia. We've we've spoken on tight ends quite
Speaker 1: a bit on this show, mostly with the thought of
Speaker 1: it being at fifty eight, maybe second round, third round,
Speaker 1: fourth round guys, especially with Dalton Schultz departing. Now it's
Speaker 1: all of a sudden looking like it's a first round
Speaker 1: conversation too. Would that be something that the Cowboys should
Speaker 1: look into? And I know your answer, Zach, but anybody
Speaker 1: else opposed to that for the most part post to
Speaker 1: picking a tight app Yeah, no, I'm not opposed to,
Speaker 1: not at all. Not any Look, I've also got to
Speaker 1: the point where I just we've had so many instances
Speaker 1: of our natural inclinations that we don't like about certain
Speaker 1: things that how the Cowboys will approach a draft weekend,
Speaker 1: that have over time proved us wrong, whether it be
Speaker 1: Tyler Smith or Layton vander esh or guys like that.
Speaker 1: That not that they're infallible, but I'm willing to give
Speaker 1: them the benefit of the doubt on some things. And
Speaker 1: even with that said, I don't have a problem. So
Speaker 1: I mean, if they think tight ends the pick, then
Speaker 1: I'll be like, Okay, this will probably be a good player.
Speaker 1: But specifically, I think you just need a dynamic weapon.
Speaker 1: So if it's a dynamic tight end or it's a
Speaker 1: dynamic receiver, I don't care. Just if you whatever you
Speaker 1: think is going to be the most explosive weapon, the
Speaker 1: biggest mismatch you can have. And in this day and age,
Speaker 1: you talk to a lot of people and they'll tell you, like,
Speaker 1: a really dynamic tight end is one of the hardest
Speaker 1: things to cover in terms of opposing defenses. It's one
Speaker 1: of the hardest mismatches you can get. So if they
Speaker 1: spot that guy in the first, second round, whatever it is,
Speaker 1: and they think, yeah, we can take a shot on
Speaker 1: this guy and he'll be a good match for us,
Speaker 1: a good match against defenses, then absolutely go do it.
Speaker 1: Okay that makes me feel a little bit better, bro, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that to me the little bit the difficulty
Speaker 1: I know, with me, there's more certainty with the tight
Speaker 1: end position than there is with the wide receiver position.
Speaker 1: And I got on the soapbox earlier and was talking
Speaker 1: about if you guys figure out the slight wide receivers,
Speaker 1: the undersized guys, if you figured out how these guys
Speaker 1: are all gonna play or how they're going to fit in, I,
Speaker 1: you know, please let me know on this, because that's
Speaker 1: something that might be something I'm struggling with right now
Speaker 1: a little bit. But I feel like I have a
Speaker 1: pretty good understanding of these tight ends. You know, when
Speaker 1: when you start to talk about the Notre Dame Kid Mayor, right,
Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about Mayor, when you talk
Speaker 1: about Kincaid from Utah, you know, Musgrave from Oregon State,
Speaker 1: and even you know, you know Tucker Kraft from South
Speaker 1: Dakota State. I feel like I have a feeling about
Speaker 1: these guys. And I think, to Bobby's point, is that
Speaker 1: just give me the weapon. You know the fact that
Speaker 1: the fact that that Jerry Jones sat on that bus
Speaker 1: and told us and he started talking about Kelsey. But
Speaker 1: here they had Dalton Schultz, you know, and now it's
Speaker 1: like we're moving on from Dalton Schultz. We've got to
Speaker 1: do better and they've got you know, with Hendershot and Ferguson,
Speaker 1: they've got some really good tight ends. But if you
Speaker 1: add another one, if you add a Dalton Kincaid to
Speaker 1: the position or to the group, how much better does
Speaker 1: that make you? Does that make it better? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean we heck, I felt like I felt like
Speaker 1: told was going to be a really I was gonna
Speaker 1: come in and be a good player for them. You know.
Speaker 1: I have a feeling whoever, if they draft whoever this
Speaker 1: wide receiver is or this tight end, this guy needs
Speaker 1: to be plug and play. There doesn't need to be
Speaker 1: any like, oh, we're thinking about how we're going to
Speaker 1: use them now if it's Dalton Kincaid or mayor when
Speaker 1: those guys put them on the field and let them go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because that's they've proven to me that they're more consistent
Speaker 1: as players than what I'm seeing at some of these
Speaker 1: wide receivers. And I think those are day one impact guys.
Speaker 1: And we've seen Dak Prescott likes to go to tight
Speaker 1: end and the pushback is okay, well, you've got Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 1: Do you do you not like Fergie? Well, now I do.
Speaker 1: I think Ferguson's a really good player. I was very
Speaker 1: high on him coming out of Wisconsin. But wasn't it
Speaker 1: exciting last year when you see some twelve and thirteen
Speaker 1: personnel and the Cowboys are using multiple tight ends? To me,
Speaker 1: there might not be a better matchup nightmare in the
Speaker 1: NFL than when you have a plus tight end on
Speaker 1: your team. And if you're able to have multiple of
Speaker 1: those guys, let's go out and let's line up and
Speaker 1: let's have some fun, and you have a special tight
Speaker 1: end class. And to me, at twenty six, you might
Speaker 1: get wiped out at receiver. We were just talking about that.
Speaker 1: You might not have an offensive lineman like an Osiris
Speaker 1: Torrance or one of these tackles fall to you. It's
Speaker 1: very possible that the best player on the board is
Speaker 1: a tight end and that player is gonna help Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: And if it's Dalton Kincaid, who you watch it against USC,
Speaker 1: they can't guard him. They know he's getting the football,
Speaker 1: the kid out of Utah, and all he does is
Speaker 1: catch everything thrown at him. He's able to stretch the
Speaker 1: field via the seam. And to me, I mean he's
Speaker 1: a playmaker. You know, he's got a wide catch radius.
Speaker 1: Same with may Or. They call him baby gronk out,
Speaker 1: a Notre dame. These are these are weapons that the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: even with Jason Witten, you know, an elite talent, maybe
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame player, but these guys have a
Speaker 1: different kind of athletic profile and upside that we haven't
Speaker 1: seen for a long time. Do you think that's the
Speaker 1: case with Mayor? Mayor that Mayor to me is the
Speaker 1: tight end of you know, yesteryear, which which I mean
Speaker 1: he's still very good now. I think he'll be successful.
Speaker 1: But to me, in terms of stretching the field and
Speaker 1: being a really difficult mismatch, I don't know that. Mayor.
Speaker 1: I think he's a contested player, and I mean contested
Speaker 1: catch guy in traffic and I like that. I like
Speaker 1: the way the drag you see him down on the
Speaker 1: goal line in the red zone and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: He's a super super productive guy. And the thing I
Speaker 1: could say, I think you could use him in both ways.
Speaker 1: I think he could play in line next to the tackle.
Speaker 1: I think you can move him and play him in
Speaker 1: flex on the outside, and I think he's gonna be fine.
Speaker 1: Give me a guy that's gonna line up in a
Speaker 1: lot of different spots. Now six to five. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm I know, I don't have I mean, I need
Speaker 1: to pull up his his combine measurement. But I was
Speaker 1: working off six five two sixty five, you know, and
Speaker 1: then it's four and a half to forty nine. Okay. See,
Speaker 1: so he's lost he's lost some he's lost some weight,
Speaker 1: and they ran a four to seven. Yeah to me.
Speaker 1: To me, I feel like though that when you look
Speaker 1: at him, I always think like when these kids go
Speaker 1: like for their pro days at their schools, they're probably
Speaker 1: gonna run better. But man, there's just too much. I mean,
Speaker 1: the reach, the extension, all this stuff about Mayor I
Speaker 1: think is really really positive. I'm with you. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a guy that moves all over. They line him
Speaker 1: up outside, they line him up inside on the slot,
Speaker 1: and he'll beat corners. So I mean, to your point,
Speaker 1: I don't think he moves as well as Musgrave out
Speaker 1: of Oregon State or Dalton Kincaid out of Utah. I
Speaker 1: think those guys are a little bit more smooth than
Speaker 1: the open field. But I'm a fan of a guy
Speaker 1: like Michael Mayor and he's a good in line blocker. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think? Well, I mean I talking about
Speaker 1: the tight end position, like you look at a guy
Speaker 1: like Paying Durham from Purdue. I remember, I actually got
Speaker 1: to talk to him and he just spoke about just
Speaker 1: the emphasis on working on his hands, working on that
Speaker 1: because he is known as like that block and gritty guy.
Speaker 1: But he understood, hey, man, I gotta add this to
Speaker 1: my repertoire. I gotta add this to my game. So
Speaker 1: it kind of lets you know it's where the game
Speaker 1: is going. But I wanted to add to the list
Speaker 1: of tight ends that I think out they tell a
Speaker 1: little bit. I think Zach Kuntz from Old Dominion really
Speaker 1: showed some explosiveness and stuff that people didn't think. I
Speaker 1: mean his forty it was an official for four five five,
Speaker 1: I think, but he looked like he was way faster
Speaker 1: than that. And so he's also his his condred was good.
Speaker 1: I feel like he really shows some people like, nah,
Speaker 1: I'm I got some explosiveness to me, I got some
Speaker 1: other parts of my game to me, And I think
Speaker 1: that he's going to get some people's attention as well
Speaker 1: moving forward, Yeah, what do you think about somebody outside
Speaker 1: of Kincaid and Mayor? Do you think Washington's in that category?
Speaker 1: Because right now Mayor from Notre Dame, Kincaid from Utah,
Speaker 1: those are my two guys I'm okay with being in
Speaker 1: twenty six. Those are my two guys. Outside of that,
Speaker 1: I will wait because I don't want to push it.
Speaker 1: I kind of like Schoonmaker from Michigan would be my
Speaker 1: next guy that I mean, and and and if you're
Speaker 1: talking about if you're not getting one of the top
Speaker 1: guys Luke Schoonmaker from from Michigan is I think this guy,
Speaker 1: you know, he plays really well on his feet, fit drive.
Speaker 1: They'll run the ball behind him, you know. And that's
Speaker 1: the one thing Michigan do. They will line up and
Speaker 1: play football in a phone booth and just slam the
Speaker 1: ball at you. And I I like the fact some
Speaker 1: of these tight ends you see they put him on
Speaker 1: the back side and they don't they just they're cut
Speaker 1: off guys, cut off guys. But they run the ball
Speaker 1: behind this guy. I think that him you could put
Speaker 1: him as a point of attack blocker. But you could
Speaker 1: even flex this guy and He's a good route runner
Speaker 1: and he could get up the field. He doesn't labor,
Speaker 1: he's smooth, and he catches the football. So if you're
Speaker 1: not getting an opportunity at one of those top guys,
Speaker 1: the Michigan Kids, Schoonmaker for me is a guy that
Speaker 1: I would surely consider, Okay, anybody else outside of that.
Speaker 1: I mean, so you wouldn't have Musgrave as a guy
Speaker 1: he'd like at twenty six. Probably not. He would be close. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got Mayor above him. I've got Kincaid Mayor, and
Speaker 1: then I actually have Musgrave, Laportza, then darnel Way. I
Speaker 1: think King Kaid and Musgrave are the two guys who
Speaker 1: are the type of modern tight end that present a
Speaker 1: lot of mismatches. And specifically with Musgrave, I think his
Speaker 1: footwork looks like a receiver to me, which is that
Speaker 1: knee intrigued though, I mean, you're gonna have to check
Speaker 1: that he was cleared. Yeah, that's good that the chatter
Speaker 1: out of Combine was that he got cleared. And so
Speaker 1: you're not wrong about the kids. It's a smooth runner, now,
Speaker 1: that is a smooth route. He is huge in Tucker Craft.
Speaker 1: You mentioned him, Brian, Yeah, big fan. He's moldiple. I
Speaker 1: describe him as moldiple. I think he can do a
Speaker 1: little bit of everything, but he's also he's just difficult
Speaker 1: to tackle. His vision is good because of the running
Speaker 1: back background and stuff. So if you get him on
Speaker 1: your team, if you got a good coach, you can
Speaker 1: make some money with him. I think Greeding, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think he could be a steal. It could be fun
Speaker 1: to watch. I think either way, you're going to see
Speaker 1: a tight end drafted again by the Cowboys at some
Speaker 1: point in Bobby says, sooner than what we are used to.
Speaker 1: I just think they take a pass catch or somewhere
Speaker 1: in the top one hundred, and whether that's a receiver
Speaker 1: or tight end whoever, they have grade at higher, but
Speaker 1: it very well could be a tight end. So I
Speaker 1: would not be stunned if they take a tight end
Speaker 1: on the top hundred. Would you, guys take Johnston? If
Speaker 1: I mentioned him? Would you take Johnston, the TCU wide
Speaker 1: receiver over a top tight end? Ooh no, why would you?
Speaker 1: When you when you sound like you're gonna get better,
Speaker 1: I need to I need to know if Johnston, Like
Speaker 1: I need to have confidence Johnson's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: get off press I have. I have Kincaid is a
Speaker 1: better player, but I would take Johnson over Mayor. I
Speaker 1: would agree with that. But yeah, i'd agree with that.
Speaker 1: I have Johnston as as number twenty six on my
Speaker 1: board right now, and this is all going to change
Speaker 1: between now and draft day, of course, but I have
Speaker 1: twenty six is Johnston, twenty five is Kincaid, and then
Speaker 1: I've got Mayor at twenty eight. So they're all right there,
Speaker 1: jumbled together. But I would have exactly what Zack just said.
Speaker 1: I think that where does reports have follow on your board?
Speaker 1: Because he tested well? But then also Dane had a
Speaker 1: lot of good stuff to say about him. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a top thirty five player on my report. I think
Speaker 1: when I watched him, I think he was really hurt
Speaker 1: by his offense. Yes, well, I'm about to say, like
Speaker 1: a lot of people were hard on him because of
Speaker 1: the drops and stuff, and I said, well, when you
Speaker 1: got it, you got it. That's why you gotta take
Speaker 1: a look start looking at Okay, we'll look at the
Speaker 1: Iowa offense right, look at how play horrible, play calling terrible,
Speaker 1: and he showed when the balls delivered to him well
Speaker 1: and stuff at as I thought. He's one of the
Speaker 1: few guys that I felt like, Yeah, the testing helped him.
Speaker 1: It helped him adding it to the film and making
Speaker 1: sense of things. So what are you? What does he
Speaker 1: fall for, y'all? I think it's the top thirty five player.
Speaker 1: I've got, I've got I've got him, I've got Musgrave, Kincaid, Assume, Mayor, Musgrave, Mayor, Kincaid, Musgrave, Washington, Laporta.
Speaker 1: That's how I have the tight ends on my board. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have a craft ahead of Laporta. Do you Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's not out of the question. It's not no, not
Speaker 1: at all. It's all right, good show, everybody. We'll be
Speaker 1: back tomorrow. I will not be back tomorrow. Something about that.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have Brian in the host chair tomorrow. Ready
Speaker 1: for the fire kids. He'll be back next Wednesday. We'll
Speaker 1: have some fun. But that does it for us. Today
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