1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: To get you ready for this hunting season or maybe 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: excited about this hunting season. We've talked to Ted Nugent. 3 00:00:07,000 --> 00:00:10,719 Speaker 1: Now we'll talk to Stephanie Mallory, who wrote a piece 4 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:12,719 Speaker 1: that came to our attention. We thought it was interesting 5 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 1: ten mistakes adults make when hunting with kids. Now, before 6 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,120 Speaker 1: we start, Stephanie, we're having to get over the idea 7 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,080 Speaker 1: that we're getting hunting advice from a woman. 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: Oh come on, now, I need. 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: I mean, we need some bona fides here. How did 10 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 1: you get to the point that you were giving hunting advice? 11 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: I love it. I think it's cool. 12 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 2: Well I get Alabama girl. 13 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: Become an expert on hunting. 14 00:00:38,920 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: I am no expert on hunting. I am an expert 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,880 Speaker 2: on mistakes. And that is actually why I wrote this article. 16 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 2: It's because I made so many mistakes when taking my 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 2: kids hunting that I wanted to learn or figure out 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,400 Speaker 2: what I was doing wrong. And so I decided to 19 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 2: get out and talk to some people and see, thank 20 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 2: you giving me some advice on how I can make 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: my kids hunting adventures a little bit better for all 22 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: of us. And that's what I did. So this is 23 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: you know, more of the advice of other experts, and 24 00:01:14,880 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: a little bit about my personal experiences and the mistakes 25 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: that I made. 26 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 1: I love it. Thanks. Yeah, of course I'm kidding you. 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: But one of the reasons in doing our research it 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: was we I think that there are, as I've said 29 00:01:28,480 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: on the show a number of times, I think there 30 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 1: are a lot of folks that want to have a 31 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 1: father son, a daughter son a daughter daughter hunting trip 32 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: and they don't know how to get started. Because, you know, 33 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: reading your biography, you grew up it said roaming the 34 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: Bankhead Forest with your father, who instilled a passion for 35 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: the outdoors. Some people didn't have that experience, and I 36 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 1: want to make sure that they feel comfortable starting out 37 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: doing this and they get out there and start making 38 00:01:55,400 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: some memories with their kids. So I'm glad you did this. 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the ten mistakes at all to make 40 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: when hunting with their kids. I'm going to take all 41 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: one by one. Unrealistic expectations starting Yeah, that that was 42 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: my biggest problem. 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 2: And I don't know why I had such unrealistic expectations, 44 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 2: because my dad, when he took me hunting, he did 45 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: it just right. We you know, would get out and 46 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 2: just and roam. Essentially, like I said in my bio, 47 00:02:24,120 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 2: we would roam the bankheads. For us, there were no 48 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:30,480 Speaker 2: real expectations other than to have a good time. So, 49 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:35,040 Speaker 2: you know, for some reason I decided that, you know, 50 00:02:35,200 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 2: my first hunt with my boys at the time, my 51 00:02:37,919 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 2: oldest was eight and my younger one was four, that 52 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: you know, we were going to kill a bird. I mean, 53 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 2: come high, you know, hell or high water, We're going 54 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 2: to kill a bird. And that was the wrong attitude 55 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 2: to have. It should have been we were going to 56 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 2: have fun. And so that was my mistake. I sped 57 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 2: up the blind. I expected everyone to be super quiet 58 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: and sit there for hours and hours and wait for 59 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 2: this bird to show up. And that is not at 60 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:07,239 Speaker 2: all what happened. Instead, we got in a big fight. 61 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 2: We argued, we fussed, we created all kinds of noise 62 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:12,960 Speaker 2: and commotion, and of course the en didn't hear a bird. 63 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 2: And you know, it was my fault. We should have, 64 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:21,519 Speaker 2: you know, just focused on having fun, gotten out in 65 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 2: the woods a little bit, listened to the birds and 66 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 2: not made such a big deal to actually kill one. 67 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 2: So and I think other people have or make that 68 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 2: mistake as well. Their expectations are just you know, unrealistic. 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: I like it, and I think that's fair. You know, 70 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: one of the being a parent. My boys are nine 71 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: and ten. Being a parent has taught me a great 72 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: deal of patience because I tend to think going into 73 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: an activity that they're going to have the same passion 74 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: or skill or patience or appreciation for an activity that 75 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: I do. And I realized that at that age I 76 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: didn't remembering that makes my experience, but forget their experience, 77 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: It makes my experience better. So I think you're right. 78 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Your second item, which as you say, should be the 79 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: number one priority, safety. Talk about safety and how you 80 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: taught your kids the safety of a hunt. 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean safety is definitely the number one priority. 82 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 2: And you know I have spent a lot of time 83 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 2: on the shooting range with my kids, and not just shooting, 84 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: but just talking about gun safety in general, how they're 85 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:36,599 Speaker 2: to behave that you know, where they should stand when 86 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 2: someone is shooting, how they should hold a gun. And 87 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: of course I'm always right there with them. I mean, 88 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:45,520 Speaker 2: accidents can happen so quickly, no one is I mean, 89 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 2: no matter you know how prepared you think you are, 90 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 2: there's there's, you know, always something that could happen. So 91 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 2: I mean, I think you just really have to drive 92 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 2: home the importance of safety and you know, talk about 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,359 Speaker 2: all the different scenarios your child may encounter out on 94 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: that hunt and how they should behave or respond in 95 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: these different scenarios. 96 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: Well, and speaking for myself, when we shoot on the 97 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,640 Speaker 1: weekends we have a ranch out in the country, my 98 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 1: children do not have they don't both have a gun 99 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:22,479 Speaker 1: at the same time exactly. I don't know if I 100 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 1: sound like a helicopter parent or not, but I'm not 101 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 1: going to let a mistake be made. And the second 102 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 1: thing is they're not going to be away from my 103 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,919 Speaker 1: ability to solve the problem if there becomes a safety problem. 104 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: And I just as you say it's priority number one, 105 00:05:36,600 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 1: I think it's priority one, two, and three. I don't 106 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: think you can be you can emphasize safety too much 107 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 1: with your children because you're not going to have a 108 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: fun hunt if safety is not I it's not maintained. 109 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: Number three is putting other goals ahead of fun. Talk 110 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: to me about that. 111 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, again, you know that that kind of goes back 112 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:59,400 Speaker 2: to the first goal as well as having an unrealistic 113 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 2: expectation fun should be top priority. If they if they 114 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:06,559 Speaker 2: don't have fun, they're not gonna want to hunt again, 115 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 2: So that should be that should be number one. And 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 2: you know, it's not a whole lot of fun for 117 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 2: kids to just sit there and be quiet and not 118 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 2: move and wait and wait and wait, So you can't expect, 119 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 2: especially young children to do that. Instead, you need to 120 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 2: look for hunting opportunities where they can get out and move. 121 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 2: That's why small game hunt's right ideal for young children. 122 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: Squirrel hunting, dove hunting. We're actually taking my one of 123 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 2: my son's dove hunting tomorrow as as you mentioned, you're 124 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 2: taking your children too, So yeah, fun, fun is number 125 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,839 Speaker 2: one because you want them to want to go hunting 126 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: and to continue hunting, you know, in their future. 127 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 1: Now you're in Birmingham, will you all dove hunt there? 128 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: In Birmingham? 129 00:06:46,120 --> 00:06:50,280 Speaker 2: It's it's we're going south. My husband is through my 130 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 2: husband's work then some hunting land and we're headed down south, 131 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:55,119 Speaker 2: So South Alabamas, where will be hunting? 132 00:06:55,279 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: I like it? I like it. Number four. Being inadequately 133 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: prepared is one of the ten mistakes people make. Talk 134 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:03,120 Speaker 1: to me about that. 135 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, comfort is key here. You want your your children 136 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 2: to be warm, not hungry, not thirsty. And that's that's 137 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: the thing about kids, is you know, I mean, they 138 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: get hungry and thirsty and we'll ask for food and water, 139 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: food and drinks constantly. So make sure you have all 140 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 2: of those items. Bring a cooler or whatever whatever you 141 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 2: need to make sure that they have plenty of snacks, 142 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: plenty of food. And you also want to, you know, 143 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 2: have band aids and antibiotic ointment in case, you know, 144 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: somebody gets a booboo. You just want to make sure 145 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 2: that I guess all of their creature comforts are covered. 146 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 1: Stephanie Mallory is our guest. Top ten mistakes adults make 147 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:49,679 Speaker 1: when hunting with kids. Number five Expecting kids to shoot 148 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: before they're ready. 149 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 2: Yes, you know, different children are going to mature at 150 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: different ages. Don't push it. Let your child tell you 151 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:02,119 Speaker 2: when he or she is ready to shoot an animal. 152 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: And some children may never be ready to and that's okay. 153 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:08,239 Speaker 2: So just you know, have that conversation with them. Don't 154 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 2: feel or don't put the pressure on them, because that 155 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: takes away from the fun, like we spoke about earlier. 156 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: So so let them tell you when they are ready 157 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 2: and then you know, and then lead them and guide 158 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 2: them to make the best shot they possibly can. 159 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: Well, this this generation didn't grow up with Bambi, but 160 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:32,240 Speaker 1: the idea of understanding conservation and why we shoot animals. 161 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: My Ted Nudgen interview I think was answered a lot 162 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: of those questions. Stephanie Mallory is our guest more with 163 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 1: her coming up next No Michael Berry's show. We're talking 164 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: to Stephanie Mallory. She's written ten mistakes adults make when 165 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: hunting with kids. So you go on your first hunting 166 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,559 Speaker 1: trip with your kids, and she's made you think about 167 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: some things that you need to consider before that hunt. 168 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 1: Those first five if you missed the earlier part of 169 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: our interview, unrealistic expectations. Set up expectations to have fun 170 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 1: and don't worry as much about what you kill. That way, 171 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: if you set out to have fun, you can actually 172 00:09:09,760 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: accomplish that. Not emphasizing safety. Make sure that your kids 173 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 1: understand safety. I should hope that everybody understands. If nothing else, 174 00:09:17,440 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 1: that's the most important thing. Number three, putting other goals 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: ahead of fun. Number four being inadequately prepared. Make sure 176 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: especially food and drink, clothing, that sort of stuff. Number 177 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: five don't expect kids to be ready to shoot an 178 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: animal just because you are. It may take them longer 179 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: and if they're not ready, to give them some slack there. 180 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:41,839 Speaker 1: Number six, taking your kids into harsh conditions for too long, Go. 181 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: Ahead, Yeah, this can be a biggie. And again it 182 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 2: has to do with the fun factor. It may be 183 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: fun to get outside and it's really really cold for 184 00:09:51,160 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 2: a little bit. I'm just the novelty of it. But 185 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 2: after a while, it's no longer fun when you're actually 186 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: in pain and you are freezing to death, or if 187 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: you're just too hot, your sweating, so you know, the 188 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: moment your kid is not having fun, it's time to 189 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 2: return home. And if you are taking them out into 190 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 2: harsh conditions like really cold weather or really hot weather, 191 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: make sure you have to gear necessary that you know 192 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,719 Speaker 2: that they need for those conditions. 193 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Number seven, unintentionally setting up for failure. 194 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, make sure that that you know, if you're 195 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 2: taking your child hunting, that they've had plenty of time 196 00:10:29,720 --> 00:10:31,880 Speaker 2: to practice, you know, with their bow or gun or 197 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: whatever they plan to use. You can't just put a 198 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 2: gun or you know, a gun into a child's hand 199 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 2: and expect them to make a great shot the first time, 200 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 2: and of course you certainly can't do that with a bow. 201 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 2: Nothing can run and experience more than winding an animal. 202 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 2: So you know, make sure that your child is is 203 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 2: prepared as the best that he or she can possibly 204 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: be to make a good shot when that time comes. 205 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 1: I noticed, speaking of bows, that you co authored a 206 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: book Basic Essentials of Archery. You seem to be in 207 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: to the bow hunt. 208 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: I am, and you know I'm not a great bow hunter. 209 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: I'm still in a learning process. But yes, I wrote 210 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: that book or co authored that book several years ago 211 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: and was able to interview some people who really are 212 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,320 Speaker 2: archery experts, and they give a lot of great advice 213 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 2: in that book. 214 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting for me to see how archery has just 215 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: exploded over the last few years. I watched this weekend 216 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 1: show of these guys, these brothers, and go out and 217 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: all they hunt with is bow's and it is It's 218 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 1: interesting if you look at how many of the hunting 219 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 1: shows now are about that. And I'm noticing archery shops 220 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: around Greater Houston popping up, so obviously that's become a 221 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 1: lot more popular. 222 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 2: It really has, and among kids, it has two of 223 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: the archery and the schools programs. I mean even my 224 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 2: son is constantly talking about archery opportunities in the cantcy 225 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 2: attends and he gets out shoots in the backyard. So 226 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 2: there's it, really is. 227 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 1: I think this next bit of advice on number eight, 228 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,520 Speaker 1: what what frequently made mistakes or people where they go wrong? 229 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: Ten mistakes adults make when they hunt with their kids. 230 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: I think this is true and everything not just hunting, 231 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: but doing everything for your kids. Don't do everything for 232 00:12:17,040 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: your kids, take it away, Stephanie. 233 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, let your kids actively participate in the 234 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 2: planning of the hunt. Let your child you pack, who's 235 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 2: her own backpack or snacks, you know, let them have 236 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: actually have that experience. You want them to be an 237 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 2: active participant and not just an observer. Look at, you know, 238 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 2: opportunities or look for opportunities that provide them good learning experiences, 239 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 2: and that way they just feel more a part of 240 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 2: the opportunity or a part of the experience. 241 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: How old are your children now? 242 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 2: My oldest just turned thirteen last week, my middle son 243 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 2: is turning nine next week, and my twins are both seven. 244 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so there are a few years into mommy and 245 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: presumably daddy taking them on these hunting trips. 246 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: Yes, well, my sons are my girls are just now 247 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 2: beginning to show interest. We've been taking them on various 248 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: outdoor adventures, hiking and backpacking and fishing and all that, 249 00:13:19,480 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 2: and they're just now beginning, as far as the girls go, 250 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 2: beginning to show interest in hunting. So we'll be taking 251 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: them on their first hunt this fall and spring. 252 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: Okay, but that's not what this this trip is, y'all 253 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: are going on right now. 254 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 2: The one we're going tomorrow, we're taking our older son 255 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: on a dove hunt. 256 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: All right, okay. Number nine in the ten mistakes adults 257 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: make when hunting with kids, shaming a child for feeling 258 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:46,160 Speaker 1: sad after a kill. 259 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't don't use terms like manu or you're being 260 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 2: a sissy, or you know, don't shame your child for 261 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: your for feeling you just a natural sadness for life 262 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 2: being taken. It's normal and you need to validate that 263 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: that feeling they have is okay and it's part of 264 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 2: the hunting experience. Use the opportunity to talk to your 265 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 2: child about you know, hunting contribute to conservation and provides 266 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 2: helping meat for the table, and how it's an opportunity 267 00:14:15,200 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 2: to enjoy the great outdoors. So use that as an 268 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: opportunity instead of shaming your child. 269 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting, isn't it, because we are so 270 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 1: far removed from what our forefathers had to do to 271 00:14:28,680 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: put food on the table. So the idea of where 272 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: food comes from, and that it was alive, and that 273 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 1: it did have to be killed, and then it did 274 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: have to be slaughtered and prepared in all these things 275 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: that are very natural, but you know, come as quite 276 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: a shock. And here's that moment where they begin to 277 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: understand item number ten last on the list, pushing too 278 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:50,480 Speaker 1: hard to go hunt. 279 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, not every child is going to want to go hunting. 280 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 2: And I learned that with my oldest one. He is 281 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 2: just now getting back to where he wants to go. 282 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: He enjoyed it when he was little, and then he 283 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 2: kind of went through a phase where sports were more 284 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: you know, a big deal, and he's just now showing 285 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 2: some some more interest. So I mean, don't don't push 286 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 2: too much, you know, like I said, some kids to 287 00:15:15,520 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 2: want to go some don't. Just get them outdoors and 288 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 2: and let them tell you when they're ready. And plus, 289 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: you know, you need to use some basic psychology. The 290 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 2: more you push the kid to do something, the more 291 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 2: they're not going to want to do it right. 292 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: And that's the truth, just because just because you're that. 293 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 2: Into it, they won't see exactly they don't want to 294 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: do it. 295 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: I found that to be true also with sports, if 296 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: you let a kid fall in love with the sport. 297 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: If you expose them to the sport and let them 298 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: fall in love with it, they're more likely to have 299 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: fun with it and stick with it longer. But if 300 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 1: you make it something that you're going to do whether 301 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: you like it or not, it becomes like cleaning your room. 302 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 2: Right when it becomes work, it's no longer fun. 303 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 1: Yes, indeed, Stephanie Mallory, have fun on your hunt. Thank 304 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: you all right, and I hope you'll take your good 305 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: advice to heart. I appreciate that, all right, My dear 306 00:16:02,600 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: Stephanie Mallory, thank you for being with us. So what 307 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 1: we hoped to do was spark an interest in some folks, 308 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: maybe get you up off the couch and out into 309 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 1: the woods. Most importantly with your kids. I wanted to 310 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: focus not just on the fact that this is the 311 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:26,640 Speaker 1: hunting season, this is when a number of seasons for birds, 312 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: migratory birds for instance, opens up in the state of 313 00:16:30,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: Texas and in many other places. It's the time when 314 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: people hunt deer, for instance. It's the time when they 315 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: get the bow out and start looking. It's the time 316 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 1: when they pull the guns out. It's the time when 317 00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 1: they go away for the weekend to the lease or 318 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: to the weekend property. But I think that there is 319 00:16:49,600 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: more than anything else. I think that there is a lot. 320 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,960 Speaker 1: There is a transfer of knowledge from one generation to 321 00:16:57,080 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: the next, which doesn't involve school teachers or schools, of 322 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 1: things that you learned from your parents. And I think 323 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: that the time that is spent, whether it's in a 324 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: lodge or in a little trailer out in the middle 325 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,160 Speaker 1: of the woods, I think that that's such a healthy 326 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: and necessary thing in today's world to get those moments 327 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: where you unplug the phone and you unplug the computer, 328 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: and maybe you got to drive in the truck for 329 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: hours to get to that kind of place, but you 330 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: go to a place where it's just you and your 331 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: family and the deer hunting, the bird hunting. That's all 332 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: really secondary to doing things that are more natural and 333 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: more important, which is creating that bond, sharing time together 334 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: and making the memories. So hopefully we can inspire you 335 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: with our little hunting shows to do something in that way. 336 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,720 Speaker 1: The Michael Berries Show continue use, use, use. When we 337 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: were preparing the show, one of the things that we 338 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,199 Speaker 1: decided to do was we were going to talk to 339 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: Ted Nugan. Of course, we're going to talk to some experts, 340 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: but we were also going to take some ideas from 341 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,080 Speaker 1: listeners and we were going to get some more how 342 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: do I say, average people, normal people, guys you might 343 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: be more likely to run into and talk about hunting with. 344 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: And so we found a guy named Robert Gokey. Do 345 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 1: you how do you pronounce your last name? 346 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 3: Go Key? 347 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 4: You got it right, Gokey who. 348 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Runs a small guiding operation for ducks and wild hogs 349 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: on eight hundred and forty one acres that his family owns, 350 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 1: and we wanted to get some some inputs, some insight 351 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: from him. Where's your property? First of all, pecan by 352 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 1: you wrench? Where's that? 353 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:48,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's going to be located in northeast Texas. It's 354 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 3: about halfway between Paris and Texarcana on the Red River Bottom. 355 00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,920 Speaker 4: Okay, all right, look at a map. 356 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 3: You'd see Paris, you'd see Texarcana right in the center, 357 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 3: right up by the river. We don't have river frontage, 358 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 3: but we have around seven hundred and fifty acres in 359 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,080 Speaker 3: the bottom. The rest is on a hill. 360 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: So you are in full swing right now, Yes, sir. 361 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:15,160 Speaker 3: Actually, I just got back at last night at midnight 362 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:20,359 Speaker 3: from from our ranch. I actually went up because we 363 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 3: were starting to finally fill the corn feeders again. We've 364 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 3: got a number of feeders. We put out one hundred 365 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 3: and sixty bags of corn in the last two days. 366 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: I'm guessing that you know you're doing the hog hunting 367 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: year round. So let's talk about ducks for a moment. 368 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: How much are you doing? Are you doing a lot? 369 00:19:37,720 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: Of guy at duck hunts. 370 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: What we do is around You've actually only got about 371 00:19:44,880 --> 00:19:47,920 Speaker 3: maybe ten weekends in the full season of duck hunting, 372 00:19:48,440 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 3: because it's not like deer. There's a first split which 373 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 3: happens in November, and it's usually around ten to fourteen 374 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 3: day season. Then it stops for a couple of weeks, 375 00:19:57,760 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 3: and it starts back up in mid December, and then 376 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 3: it runs all the way into the end of January. Well, 377 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,760 Speaker 3: where we're at the ducks come later, so we don't 378 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,159 Speaker 3: do any guided hunts during the first portion of the season. 379 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 3: We only focus on the second half, so it ends 380 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 3: up only being about a six weekend season for US 381 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: duck hunting. Okay, and within that we actually reserve Christmas 382 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 3: and New Year's for our family because in the end 383 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: it is a family piece of property. We do this 384 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 3: to help supplement the income we're not. I mean, we 385 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 3: all have day jobs in Houston area and this is 386 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 3: for fun. 387 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,960 Speaker 1: So for somebody that's never been duck hunting and this 388 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: sounds like a great idea. Talk about price. Let's say 389 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 1: you got two fathers who work together at the plant. 390 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,880 Speaker 1: They have kids they want to take. They each want 391 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 1: to take one kid, so you got give give me 392 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: the pricing on something like that. 393 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 3: What we typically ask for is seven hundred dollars a 394 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:04,800 Speaker 3: person a weekend, and that'll get you two morning hunts. 395 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 3: That'll be a Sunday, a Saturday morning hunt, and a 396 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 3: Sunday morning hunt. We don't typically hunt in the evening 397 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 3: for ducks, but we do hawk hunt in the evening 398 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 3: environment hunts. So our typical weekend package would be show 399 00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 3: up Friday afternoon. If you get there in time, we'll 400 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 3: put you in a blind for unlimited hogs environments, and 401 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 3: then we take care of everything. We do the guiding, 402 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: we take care of all the food. We've got a 403 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:37,360 Speaker 3: nice lodge. It sleeps fourteen people. It's seven bedrooms, and 404 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,679 Speaker 3: we ask for four people, so that'd be twenty eight 405 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: hundred a weekend, and we can accommodate comfortably up to ten. Okay, 406 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: so no, it is a little extensive, But. 407 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: I actually honestly have no idea how that pricing fits 408 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:57,959 Speaker 1: in with the marketplace. 409 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: In the marketplace, you can use usually find a duck 410 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 3: hunt on the coast for a morning duck hunt for 411 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 3: somewhere in the two hundred dollars arrange per person. So 412 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 3: the rest of that, you know, that would you get 413 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: in two duck hunts. But we are throwing in lodging 414 00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:17,680 Speaker 3: full meals throughout the weekend. The only thing we don't 415 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: cover is alcohol, which you're welcome to bring as long 416 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 3: as you don't get crazy, of course, but we don't 417 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 3: do that because then you have to have TABC license 418 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 3: and everything else. 419 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Oh I know, yeah, but you could give them free alcohol, 420 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 1: you just can't sell it to them. 421 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:35,960 Speaker 3: That that is true. I could give them free alcohol. 422 00:22:36,800 --> 00:22:38,199 Speaker 1: I don't know that I'd want to get into that. 423 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 1: So what do people need to do. Let's say that 424 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,119 Speaker 1: they do it. 425 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,199 Speaker 4: What do they need to bring up their own The 426 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:48,120 Speaker 4: only thing we would ask that you bring is your 427 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,959 Speaker 4: own hunting equipment, your waiters, your knee boots. 428 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 3: Because it isn't a river bottom, so it's always wet. 429 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: Even when we go on the hall hunts, we all 430 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 3: wear rubber boots, you know. I mean, we've got nice 431 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 3: blinds to see two people comfortably. We've got about ten 432 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 3: of them out them with property. And then we've got 433 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 3: some other blinds that are in trees and such for 434 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 3: bow hunting. But multiple blinds. They've all got nice comfortable 435 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 3: office chairs in them. They've you know, and they've all 436 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 3: got good feeders that sling twice a day. The hogs 437 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 3: come in and we shoot them. 438 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: And what are you doing with your hogs after you 439 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: kill them? 440 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,879 Speaker 3: It depends on the size and who kills them, you know. 441 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: If it's a big old boar, you know, some people 442 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 3: want to mount them. And we've got some of them 443 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 3: on the wall land on the website that you can 444 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:39,160 Speaker 3: see on the wall that came from the property. We've 445 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 3: killed some that were over three hundred pounds with nice 446 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 3: tusk on them, and we'll some people have played excuse 447 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,880 Speaker 3: me to pay to taxidermy. Those other people just want 448 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 3: some good pictures and they want to skull. If they're smaller, 449 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: we'll process them, you know, personally, we eat them when 450 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: they're you know, the salves, and they're in the one 451 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 3: hundred pound range. You know, once they get much more 452 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 3: than that, I mean, by all means, it will help 453 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,400 Speaker 3: you clean them. 454 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 4: Our guide will help. 455 00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 3: You clean them and everything and everything else, but personal preferences. 456 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,080 Speaker 3: We eat small ones. 457 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I can, I can. I can fully understand 458 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: that is that is said to be not very good 459 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: meat when it gets like that eight hundred and forty 460 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,560 Speaker 1: one acres and you can have you said you can 461 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:31,639 Speaker 1: have ten. You can accommodate up to ten folks. 462 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:35,080 Speaker 3: Yes, sir, we can accommodate up to ten in the lodge. 463 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 3: And that that's the it's not actually the property can 464 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:42,240 Speaker 3: hunt more. It's the where space constraints in the lodge, 465 00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 3: the bedding and such, because we provide everything. 466 00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,200 Speaker 1: What's the number one question you get from first time 467 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: duck hunters. 468 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 3: What they need to bring in. You know what kind 469 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:56,960 Speaker 3: of shells to shoot and what type of gun to bring, 470 00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 3: and we can provide those things if we know in advance. 471 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,679 Speaker 3: You know, so if it's a father's son trip and 472 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 3: you know you don't want to run out and spend 473 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 3: fifteen hundred dollars on guns, like I know you just 474 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 3: did it collectors. 475 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: How'd you know that? 476 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:10,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? I listened sometimes. 477 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, okay, all right, I'm up against 478 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 1: a break. It sounds like you're having a whole lot 479 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 1: of fun and uh, for somebody that's looking to go 480 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 1: on a first time hunt, or maybe you're experienced, find 481 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: somebody like this, a guide or a host like this 482 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: that seems to be as passionate about it as you are. 483 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: It's pecan buy You ranch dot com. His name is 484 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: Robert Goki. Pecan buy You Ranch dot Com. More coming 485 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: up Southern Pride. Southern Pride to Michael Berry show. How 486 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: many people are hold up in an office all day 487 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 1: and as kids, they didn't get to hunt, They didn't 488 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: have an older brother and a bunch of friends who 489 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: could teach them the joys of hunting. And they want 490 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,080 Speaker 1: to get out there and get started. Are they want 491 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 1: to become more active hunters. They want to be part 492 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: of the community of hunters, and so that was more 493 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: than anything else our idea behind doing this, and that's 494 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,400 Speaker 1: why we brought in Ted Nugent, That's why we brought 495 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 1: in Stephanie to tell you about the ten mistakes that 496 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: people make when they take their kids hunting the first time. 497 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 1: One of the guys we chose to talk to his 498 00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 1: name Brian Lynn. He's the vice president of Communications and 499 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: Marketing at the Sportsman's Alliance. Brian tell us what that is. 500 00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 5: Sportsman's Alliance. It's a organization has been around for about 501 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 5: forty years now. We defend hunting, fishing, and trapping in 502 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 5: all fifty state legislatures, at the court system and at 503 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 5: the ballot box, and we have several court cases and 504 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,199 Speaker 5: balloting issues going on right now that we're trying to 505 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 5: protect everything from the animal rights movements specifically. 506 00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: And I'm sure you probably have big donors, but you 507 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: also have memberships, yes. 508 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 5: Yes, and our membership growth is taking off right now. 509 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 5: Or having specials where you can get a buck knife 510 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,280 Speaker 5: with our new life go on it and everything, but 511 00:27:02,040 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 5: membership in grassroots activism is really the heart of any 512 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 5: of these types of movements, you know, especially it's state legislatures. 513 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 5: Ten phone calls to a couple of legislators can stop 514 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 5: a bill from moving forward. And that's the big that's 515 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 5: the big piece right there. 516 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: What have been the big attacks on outdoorsmen, on sportsmen 517 00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 1: that that y'all are noticing across the country. 518 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 5: Well, right now, I mean right now, it's the issue 519 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 5: qualified for the ballot in July and the vote is 520 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 5: in November. In Montana, there's a trapping initiative. They've tried 521 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 5: for the last six ten years to try to get 522 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 5: this ban on trapping past in Montana, Montana, of all places. 523 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 5: This is kind of like Texas, right wow. So they've 524 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 5: they've qualified it in July and November is the vote, 525 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 5: and this is a ballot initiative, you know, it's it's 526 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 5: a manipulation of of the initiative process, out of state 527 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 5: paid signature gatherers coming in collecting signatures to qualify something 528 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 5: for a ballot. This would end trapping on all public 529 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 5: land in Montana, and it would force private land owners 530 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,680 Speaker 5: to try non lethal means of dealing with problem wildlife 531 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 5: for thirty days before they turn to trapping. It's just 532 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 5: a toe hold into controlling you know, ending trapping and 533 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 5: advancing this agenda. There's a lot of ramifications that come 534 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 5: from this, from you know, local municipalities having an increase 535 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 5: on you know, their taxes, and their problem animals, dealing 536 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 5: with wildlife such as beavers that will dam up things, 537 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,160 Speaker 5: cause bridge destruction. But the other side is half of 538 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 5: the wolf's harvest in Montana takes place on public land 539 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 5: with trapping, so you eliminate half of the harvest, you're 540 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 5: going to have a growing wolf population, and it's already growing, 541 00:28:56,720 --> 00:29:01,920 Speaker 5: so it's going to be a compounding effect. Well, Dearn elk, right, 542 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 5: and then there's fewer deer and elk that means there's 543 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,400 Speaker 5: also fewer tags for hunters, so it's eliminating state wildlife 544 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 5: management opportunities. 545 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, I want to go back and forth between 546 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: education and lobbying, which y'all do some of both. It's interesting, 547 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: you know, we had a problem in Texas with this 548 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 1: wasting disease which was like we described it as a 549 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 1: mad cow for deer, and it really exposed what a 550 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: delicate ecological balance you have between predator and prey and 551 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: how the conservation efforts of the hunter play into that. 552 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: But I hope, and I don't know the extent to 553 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: which y'all do this. I think we need more of 554 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:45,840 Speaker 1: this in the schools. We need more of this in 555 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: public education because people have to understand this balance in 556 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: our ecological system and the role humans play in cutting 557 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 1: down some of these populations. It's very important, not just 558 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,160 Speaker 1: for tourism, but for our food sources and for our 559 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: natural wild life. 560 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 5: That's exactly right, you know. It is a balance, and 561 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 5: we are a piece of that. That's you know, one 562 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 5: of the great fallacies out there the animal rights movement 563 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 5: are those who you know, claim to be animal lovers 564 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 5: like to say, is natural balance itself. That's probably the 565 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 5: greatest biological fallacy there is. Nature doesn't balance itself. It's 566 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 5: rarely ever I balance. It's boom and bus cycles based 567 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 5: upon weather, based upon habitat that the prese species their 568 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 5: cycles boom and bust. Everything else is tied to that 569 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 5: above it. You know, we've impacted the land today to 570 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 5: such a degree with cities, arms, roads, systems, that there's 571 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 5: only a finite amount of land left. We have to 572 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 5: manage it. It's our responsibility not doing so would be irresponsible. 573 00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 5: We have to mitigate those booms in cycles, in population cycles, 574 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 5: and try to protect it when they drop. You know, 575 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 5: otherwise the only three things that can happen are starvation, disease, 576 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 5: and conflict with humans. Every thing falls out of whack. 577 00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 5: And you know that's the greatest thing that most people 578 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 5: miss and that hunters ourselves have to educate the non 579 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 5: hunting public about. You know, everythinks for these bloodthirsty trophy 580 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 5: hunters or whatever out there, and that's just not the case. 581 00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 5: You know, if we don't do this, the animals are 582 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 5: still going to die. It's just going to be another 583 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 5: very inhumane, torturous way. 584 00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 1: Brian Lynn is the vice president of Communications and Marketing 585 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: for the Sportsman's Alliance. He's also served as senior editor 586 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: at ESPN Outdoors. He's been involved with hunting, fishing, and trapping. 587 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: We were talking about what was going on in Montana. 588 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: You wrote a piece, I think it's yours about the 589 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 1: Fish and Wildlife Service and changes that they've made to 590 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: National Wildlife Refuges refuges refuges in Alaska and talking about 591 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: y'all's opposition to that. Can you talk to me about that? 592 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 5: You bet you. This is one of those bellweather you 593 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 5: items that took place, and it happens quietly, right like 594 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 5: people don't think about Alaska that much. They proposed rule changes, 595 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,280 Speaker 5: nobody pays attention to it. What you're talking about here 596 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,120 Speaker 5: is seventy seven million acres of land. If this was 597 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 5: a state, it would be the fifth largest state in 598 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 5: the Union. Okay, that's how much land we're talking about. 599 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 5: That's massive. And now on top of that, this is 600 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 5: in Alaska. It's guaranteed in three different federal documents, including 601 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 5: its statehood acts that made it a state, that agreed 602 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 5: that Alaska will control fishing game on all lands and 603 00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:38,680 Speaker 5: its borders, including National Wildlife refuges, and that says how 604 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 5: it is the Feds don't manage game species. Okay, So 605 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 5: it's protected in three different federal documents. It was debated 606 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,240 Speaker 5: on the floor of Congress. They went in and made 607 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 5: a rule made rules changes backed by humans Society the 608 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:57,280 Speaker 5: United States, that says they can double the length of 609 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 5: emergency closures from thirty days to sixty days. That's an 610 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,920 Speaker 5: entire hunting season in Alaska, right right, a very short 611 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 5: season up there. They can eliminate public input on all 612 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:13,520 Speaker 5: of those things, and then they can there's temporary closures. 613 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,520 Speaker 5: There's there's no definitive end to a temporary closure. So 614 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 5: basically they can go in call an emergency closure of 615 00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 5: a season or whatever, animal species, whatever, close it for 616 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 5: an emergency and without any input, and then leave it 617 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 5: closed for as long as they want. They can do 618 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 5: that in Alaska, they can do that in any state. 619 00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,160 Speaker 1: That's the point, Brian, let me cut you off. Unfortunately, 620 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 1: I'm up against a break. Thank you very much for 621 00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: what you do. If you're interested, it's sports men as 622 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:50,680 Speaker 1: im plural, Sportsmen's Alliance dot org. Sportsmen's Alliance dot org. 623 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,680 Speaker 1: Thanks for being our guests.