1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: name is They call me Ben. We are joined as 6 00:00:29,200 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly, 7 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: you are you. You are here that makes this stuff 8 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. Before we begin today's episode, 9 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 1: we want to include a very important disclaimer or call 10 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,440 Speaker 1: it a trigger warning, call it what you will. It's 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 1: important for us to say at the offset of today's 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: episode that this this show will contain descriptions of graphic 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: child abuse, very dark and true things and psychological horror. 14 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: Really and if this is something that personally you you 15 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: feel that you should not be listening to, then now 16 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: is the time. Just wait for our next episode to 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: come out. Use our old adage turn back now. Yes, 18 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: exactly man, exactly as you can. Yes, that's part of 19 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: the adage as well. Yes that's true. That's exactly true. Uh, 20 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: this this topic existed on our show. First is a 21 00:01:35,400 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: video series back when we're doing YouTube, roughly four years ago. Yeah, well, 22 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: over four years and long time listeners, you know that 23 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: we have covered many things on the audio podcast that 24 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: we never made videos of and the we have also 25 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: covered many things on video that we've never made an 26 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: audio podcast. Lest you think that this is just a 27 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: rehash of the video, we would like to let you 28 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: know that this episode is much more in depth and 29 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: it includes some pertinent updates. Our story begins in a 30 00:02:11,160 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: small town with a population of a little over ten 31 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: thousand people called Kurum in the Czech Republic in May 32 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: of two thousand seven. Yes, and in this small town 33 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: there was a new father named Edward T. Mr Edward T. 34 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: And he did something simple that almost every new parent 35 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: has done are many new parents have done. He installed 36 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: a CCTV camera baby monitor so we could watch the 37 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: new baby in the nursery room or nursery area of 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 1: their house. But there was a malfunction. Matt instead of 39 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 1: seeing his own uh we little tyke and the camera feed, 40 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: he picked up a different signal, and in this signal 41 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 1: he saw two children too young boys covered in filth, 42 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: change or hied up and restrained, locked in a cellar 43 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: and being tortured by two women. One of the boys 44 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: was naked on the floor, his hands were strained behind 45 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: his back, and he was being forced as Mr Edward 46 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 1: T watched who was being forced to eat food from 47 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,959 Speaker 1: the floor like a dog. Yeah, and you can find 48 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: video stills like Ben found, and we would not recommend 49 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: looking at them, but if you need to understand it, 50 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,799 Speaker 1: you can find them. And if you so choose, they're 51 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:34,639 Speaker 1: they're not there's nothing that would be problematic as far 52 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: as like having on your computer or something like that. Yeah, 53 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: just kind of vignettes. They're sort of like the side 54 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: of a face, and there's nothing graphic overtly graphic about them, 55 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: but they are they are chilling. You can see you 56 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: can see the force feeding and the Yeah, and that's 57 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,120 Speaker 1: I mean, that's a really good point. No, I'm glad 58 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: you brought that up, because I'm sure several of us 59 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 1: listening we're thinking, wait, is this something that shouldn't be 60 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: on my computer. It's like three or four of them, 61 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: and they, you know, they immediately make you feel repelled 62 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: and disgusted, but they're not inherently um graphic, right, and 63 00:04:10,280 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: so we can only imagine what is going through Edward's 64 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: mind as he watches this is this some odd malfunction. 65 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: Is this some hallucination? What he quickly realized, most likely 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: based on the details of the seller that he could 67 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: see in the background, was that this house seemed fairly 68 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: similar to his own, and he deduced that this was 69 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:43,200 Speaker 1: indeed a camera feed from a similar baby monitor in 70 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: his neighbor's house. Naturally, not being a monster himself, Edward 71 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: called the police, and here's where it gets crazy. Very quickly, yeah, 72 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: very very quickly. So the police proceed to the neighbor's home, 73 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: which is is occupied by Clara and Katerina Marova. There 74 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: their two sisters who are living at this house where 75 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 1: they believe the feat has been coming from. And the 76 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 1: two boys that were on the camera that we're seeing 77 00:05:12,480 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: were Andres and Jacob. These are Clara's sons, So Clara's sons, 78 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: Andres and Jacob. But those weren't the only people they 79 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:24,599 Speaker 1: found at the house, that's right, that's right. Police found 80 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 1: two adults and three children. The third child was an 81 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: adopted daughter, the adopted daughter of Clara Morova, thirteen year 82 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: old named Annika or Anna as alternately called both. She 83 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: ran into the arms of the police, sobbing about the 84 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 1: terrible and horrific abuse that she had endured. She directed 85 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: the police to the boys in the seller. They had 86 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: serious grievous wounds. One of the boys died in the hospital, 87 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 1: and evidence indicated that the adults had been slowly uh 88 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: skinning him and either eating parts of him or forcing 89 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: him to eat parts of himself. Let's let's pause there. 90 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 1: Let's rewind two years. How did we get to this situation, 91 00:06:19,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: because up until two thousand and five, Clara Morova was 92 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: a single mother of two and her two sons Andredge 93 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: and Jacob or as we talked about off air, perhaps 94 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: pronounced Jacob j k U b and Andredge O n 95 00:06:36,279 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: d r e J. These two kids lived pretty good lives, 96 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: you know. They went to summer camp, they were they 97 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: had a knack for language, They loved to play outdoors. 98 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: But things began to change when Clara's sister Katerina visited 99 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: the house and she brought along this thirteen year old 100 00:06:54,320 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: orphan sometimes called Anna, sometimes called Anika and Anika at 101 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 1: the time, she would have been eleven. At the time, 102 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 1: she would have been eleven, that's right. A Nika had 103 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible story. She had escaped and abusive, possibly 104 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: a child trafficking ring uh in Norway, and now as 105 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: a result of this escape, she is under the protection 106 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: of a secret organization, and Clara, being a very good 107 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: hearted person at first, almost instantly becomes a nurturing maternal 108 00:07:34,960 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: figure to Anna. And apparently Anna is suffering from various diseases. 109 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: She has leukemia, her kidneys are failing, she's going blind 110 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: and deaf, and she's spending a significant amount of time 111 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: in the hospital because of all of these things that 112 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: are going wrong with her. And it's important to note 113 00:07:53,360 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: that it's always Clara's sister Katerina who takes Anna to 114 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: the hospital. Clara is never allowed to accompany her, but 115 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:06,640 Speaker 1: she is in contact with Anna's doctor. She starts receiving 116 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 1: instructions via text, message and email from this mysterious doctor 117 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: who is, as far as Clara knows, the only person 118 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: who knows how to fully treat Anna or Nika for 119 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: both her psychological and her physical trauma. And these treatments 120 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: get very weird, very quickly. One of the treatments that 121 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: Clara Morova later mentions in court was that the doctor 122 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: instructed her to rub Anna's body, especially her crotch part 123 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 1: for several hours and then this would improve her quality 124 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: of life. Keep in mind, again, this is as far 125 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: as Clara knows at this time. This is an eleven 126 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: year old. Yeah, you know, shaking my head, dark stuff, Claia. 127 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: Claria never meets the doctor at all except one time. Yeah, 128 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: in the car in the dark, so she couldn't actually 129 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: see this person's face at all. Um, But this is 130 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: still a doctor, so the trust in some way in 131 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: the institution that he represents, it's still there for her. 132 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: And he also was a diplomat. Yeah, he showed Clara 133 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 1: diplomatic passport, and he also passed along what he said 134 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: where Anna's medical files. And later Clara said, I know 135 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: it sounds naive, but the fact that he was a 136 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: diplomat and a doctor was a guarantee of authority for me, 137 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: and so I trusted him. Okay. So when Anna was 138 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: at home she would describe these horrifying stories about sexual 139 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: abuse that she experienced while she was in Norway. And 140 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 1: during the days when she's hospitalized, when she's constantly there, 141 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Clara was supposed to talk to her on the phone 142 00:09:57,800 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: several times a day, and this person, this doctor, would 143 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: mediate Clara's messages to Anna so she can hear mommy 144 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: while unconscious, so she would be at the hospital and 145 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: stay unconscious for periods of time, at least according to 146 00:10:14,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 1: what Clara knew. Yeah, And by two thousand and six, 147 00:10:17,480 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: Clara paid less and less and less attention to her 148 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,240 Speaker 1: own children, and her sons spent more time at their 149 00:10:23,240 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 1: grandparents house UM than they did at home. And Clara 150 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: was still trying to help Anaka recover from her traumatic 151 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: experiences UM in Norway and ultimately decided that she wanted 152 00:10:34,679 --> 00:10:39,079 Speaker 1: to adopt her, but the doctor said there would be 153 00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 1: huge problems with this. He told Clara that an adoption 154 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: would not be possible the authorities would never approve it 155 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: because her sons were being abusive toward Anika. So the 156 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 1: doctor told Clara she needed to cure the boys to 157 00:10:57,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: remove the evil spirits inhabiting them by instituting a regiment 158 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: of therapy, and he said the appropriate therapy was hard 159 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:16,080 Speaker 1: discipline and physical punishment. Clara began beating the boys repeatedly, 160 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 1: often for very minor perceived in fractions. She would use 161 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: her bare hands, a belt or a wooden kitchen spoon. 162 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: She would also lock them in the closet her bathroom 163 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: for punishment for a kind of time out situation where 164 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 1: often they were forced to stay there overnight. Eventually, the 165 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: doctor decided that this therapy was inadequate and will return 166 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsors. So when we left, 167 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:55,559 Speaker 1: we heard that the doctor decided that this physical punishment 168 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: that was being enacted on these boys was not enough. 169 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: And Clara is told then by the doctor to stop 170 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: behaving as their mother, and she's ordered to take the 171 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: boys and move to this other town. It's a small 172 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:12,959 Speaker 1: town in a different district. Okay. So the doctor then 173 00:12:13,000 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: advises a stronger type of therapy, not just the physical stuff, 174 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: at least the kind that he had prescribed before. And um, 175 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: in this place, in this new this new house, Clara 176 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,960 Speaker 1: meets with Yon Skirla a different person, and Yon Turik 177 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: both spelled j a n uh. And they also meet 178 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: with Hannah Basova, and of course Katerina also joins them, 179 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: the sister. Yeah, and so this escalation I guess that 180 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: was recommended involved the following and this is big, big 181 00:12:47,720 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: time trigger warning territory, I would say. So the boys 182 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: were kept in dogs cages and they were not allowed 183 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: to communicate with each other at all, nor to have 184 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: any of the comforts of being physically held by their mother. 185 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 1: Um Clara helped simulate drowning them in a bucket, waterboarding 186 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: essentially while Katerina held their hands. Yeah. In addition, they 187 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: were burned with cigarettes, scratched with forks and cutlery, hog 188 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:19,959 Speaker 1: tied for long periods of time, forced to recite quote 189 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:23,320 Speaker 1: vulgar sentences. We don't know what those are. But they 190 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: were also made to beat one another, and Jacob was, 191 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: on at least one instance, forced to pretend he was 192 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 1: dead and lay in a hole that had been dug 193 00:13:33,679 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: in the grounds of the compounds. So the Yawns were 194 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: connected with the doctor. They were his like acolytes and 195 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 1: yawn and the Yawns and Hannah Um as well as 196 00:13:46,360 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: Katerina were members of something, and that that's something still 197 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 1: remains mysterious today. But they were, Yeah, they were affiliated. 198 00:13:56,800 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 1: They weren't just random people. And there's there's pretty compelling 199 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: evidence that Clara actually knew or had been familiar with 200 00:14:04,040 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: at least Yan Turk and Hannah Basova before on some level. 201 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: Have you seen the French film Martyrs, either one of you. 202 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: I believe it's a very extreme, like horror kind of thing, 203 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: but it involves a cult situation that's very similar to this, 204 00:14:19,400 --> 00:14:22,680 Speaker 1: where it's all about breaking people down to find who 205 00:14:22,760 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: they truly are, to like expose their ideal selves by 206 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: torturing them or whatever to get them closer to God. God. 207 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: I mean, this seems like the ideology that's at play here. 208 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 1: It's very twisted and sick, but it reminds me of that. 209 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that movie was inspired by this case 210 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: at all. And that movie, while very punishing movie, is 211 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: actually very well done. It is. There was an American 212 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: remake that wasn't good, but the French one is is 213 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: quite good, and if I'm remembering the correct one, that 214 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: ending that stays with you. So probably the most extreme 215 00:14:56,920 --> 00:15:00,440 Speaker 1: escalation of violence here occurs when Yon scary Allah and 216 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Yan Turic cover the children's heads with bags, tie them up, 217 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: burn them with more cigarettes, and then they focus a 218 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: lot of their abuse on and Dredge. They rip off 219 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: a piece of tissue from his buttocks and they burn 220 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:19,520 Speaker 1: the wound. According to some sources, he was forced to 221 00:15:19,560 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: eat it and to prevent the screaming and yelling from 222 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: this torture, the group regularly taped the children's mouth shut. 223 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 1: All while all of this is happening. By September of 224 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, Clara begins the adoption process with Antika, 225 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,240 Speaker 1: and she does so with the doctor's approval. The mysterious 226 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 1: doctor from the text messages again. But surprise, surprise, more 227 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: shady stuff occurs. First in the Czech Republic, when you 228 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: are adopting a child, the court requires a d N 229 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: A test of the child. The doctor said this could 230 00:15:56,360 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: not happen. Full stop the pause. According to the doctor, 231 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: it might reveal Anna or Anika's leukemia, which for some 232 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,280 Speaker 1: reason he didn't want to have have happened. I mean, 233 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: I guess Clara was told that that would make the 234 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: child unadoptable. The child So to make things even more complicated, 235 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: when Anna or Anika is supposed to go to court 236 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: for this adoption, hearing do you want this person to 237 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: be your adopted mom? Etcetera, etcetera. You're not being forced 238 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: to do this all the all the basic questions one 239 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: would ask. Clara's sister Katerina instead contacts a local actor 240 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: named Victor Scala, and Victor Scala's daughter impersonates Anna or 241 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: Anika in front of the court, and at this time 242 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: neither the daughter of Victor Scala, neither her name nor 243 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 1: her picture have ever been published. Somehow, this whole, this 244 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:05,439 Speaker 1: whole con job worked. The court approved the adoption, and 245 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: at that point the doctor has Clara Andredge, Jacob Briaco 246 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: and Anika move into a new house in that town 247 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:19,679 Speaker 1: in Kuram. Anika has a normal room from descriptions, it 248 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,639 Speaker 1: had quite a few toys and it was painted a 249 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 1: um a happy yellow color. The boys are tied up 250 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: and the abuse continues, and a seller and this is 251 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: when Edward T, who I have been trying very hard 252 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: not to call Mr T over the course of this episode, 253 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: discovers the abuse. So let's let's just let all that 254 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: sink in for a second. Um, okay, we're back up 255 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: to the point again where it's been discovered. Let's talk 256 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: about the sisters, Katerina and Clara and what is going 257 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 1: on with them, because none of this makes sense. Let's 258 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: start somewhere right. So these sisters both were apparently exhibiting 259 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: some signs of mental disorders, and they believed that they 260 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: had received some kind of spiritual visions, uh, something that 261 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: is giving them higher than regular instructions basically like martyrs. Yeah, 262 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: but they did say that they had been duped. They 263 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 1: did so. They said that there when when the police 264 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: were discussed had discovered this event, and when it eventually 265 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: went to trial, they said that the kids were beaten, 266 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:36,640 Speaker 1: sexually abused, shocked and more. Because the adopted daughter, Anika 267 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 1: was the mastermind behind it, and because thirteen year old 268 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: girl a Nika and the mysterious text message email only 269 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 1: doctor they said had brainwatched them, police were not sure 270 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: how to proceed. The three children were being held at 271 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: a foster home kind of situation, but then Anna or 272 00:18:55,760 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 1: Anika escaped, and as it turns out, Anna or a Nika, 273 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,399 Speaker 1: whatever name you want to call this person was not 274 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: a child at all. You see, her real name was 275 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: Barbora Skirlova and she was thirty three years old. Wow, 276 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: that's a twist, Yeah, it really is. And if you 277 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: look at pictures of her, you can find pictures over 278 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: her online from various stages in her life, some family 279 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: photos from early on when she was with the new family, 280 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: as well as later photos of her, and she definitely 281 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: almost passes as a thirteen year old girl and we're 282 00:19:34,080 --> 00:19:41,360 Speaker 1: talking Christian Baiale levels of physical fluidity, changing of appearance. So, 283 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:47,040 Speaker 1: according to Clara Moarova, Barbora had incited this torture, gradually 284 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: convincing the mom and her sister that she was being 285 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: victimized by these boys, that they were being unfair, that 286 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: they needed discipline, and she said, you know, my doctor 287 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 1: saved my life. This is the only person who can 288 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: advise them. And as the investigation unfolded, police realized they 289 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: were dealing with more than an isolated case. They realized 290 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:18,120 Speaker 1: there were multiple people involved, so the so called friends 291 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: of Anika's who were a party to this torture, such 292 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,479 Speaker 1: as the yawns Yon Turrek and Jan Scria, who by 293 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:28,439 Speaker 1: the way, uh turned out to be Barbara Skorlova's brother, 294 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: Jan Scria, that is also had known each other previously. 295 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: And law enforcement began to really get the picture, um 296 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: that there was more at play here than met b I, 297 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: and that they may actually be on the hunt for 298 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 1: some kind of cult. And we'll get to that right 299 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: after a word from our sponsor, we returned. I guess 300 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: this segment of the episode could be called We're going 301 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: to use gallows humor, where in the world is Barbora Skirlova. 302 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: First she goes to Denmark, but the heat is catching 303 00:21:11,040 --> 00:21:14,199 Speaker 1: on to her, so she flees Denmark. And this is 304 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: right after this, right after she escapes the foster, and 305 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: she was eventually found later in Norway and Oslo, where 306 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 1: she had purportedly originally come from. Right when she visited 307 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,159 Speaker 1: this house, she was living with other members of this 308 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: organization or cult, and she was living as a thirteen 309 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: year old boy named Adam. You can see pictures. She 310 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: shaved her head. She went to school for three or 311 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: four months. The only class she didn't go to was 312 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: p and her teachers didn't want to push it on her. 313 00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 1: Apparently she did such a good job that even um 314 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 1: later people who taught her would still refer to her 315 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: as Adam. Least believe that Barbara's father, a man named 316 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: Joseph for Joseph Scala, maybe the mastermind behind the torture. Uh. 317 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,960 Speaker 1: He was suspected by several sources to be the doctor 318 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:15,919 Speaker 1: behind those text messages, but it is not confirmed. But 319 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it is not confirmed. Yeah, so let's look a little 320 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: bit more into the character of Joseph Scala. So this 321 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: guy is believed to be the head of a group 322 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 1: called the Amps A N T S and these uh. 323 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: This group allegedly began as just a hiking collective and 324 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: then it ended up later evolving into some offshoot of 325 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: this strange, enigmatic, controversial thing called the Grail movement. Yeah, 326 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: if we want to pause just for a second there 327 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:53,439 Speaker 1: to explain what the Grail movement is. It started in 328 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: Germany in the late nineteen forties and it was the 329 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: if follows the teachings of a guy named Oscar Ernst Bernhardt, 330 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: who is also known by his pen name Abd Rushin. 331 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 1: He was a self proclaimed messiah and he did not 332 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 1: establish this organization himself. The movement was organized by people 333 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: who followed them. They primarily want to disseminate and spread 334 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,720 Speaker 1: the work of the book he wrote in the Light 335 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,719 Speaker 1: of the Truth, the Grail Message. They're all around the world. 336 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,880 Speaker 1: They live in different areas, sixteen countries across Europe. They're 337 00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 1: also in twenty two African countries worldwide. They're they're somewhere 338 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood of ten thousand members. But they, for 339 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:45,680 Speaker 1: their part um, were largely considered maybe maybe a little 340 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:49,200 Speaker 1: out there, a little off the beaten path, but not harmful, 341 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, certainly not as harmful as 342 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: organizations such as say the Catholic Church, shots fired and 343 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: other things. Uh, yeah, it's it's one of those kind 344 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,959 Speaker 1: of I don't know, it's just a little more eccentric 345 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:10,400 Speaker 1: new version of religions that you know ends up being 346 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: called a cult because that's how we describe cults, right right, Um, So, 347 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,679 Speaker 1: from what we understand about this story, this group, the 348 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: Ants was part of a larger organization similar to a 349 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: scouting group in the US, like Girl Scouts or boy 350 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: Scouts or I think didn't boy Scouts change their name 351 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:32,160 Speaker 1: now they're just scouting? Right? I didn't know that. Yeah, 352 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: they I think now they will admit um female children 353 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:39,959 Speaker 1: as well. Wonderful, we'll see. I mean the Girl Scouts 354 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,399 Speaker 1: are still around. Yeah, I don't know, I don't know. 355 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Tell us what you think about it. Too much money 356 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 1: in those cookies, man, that's true. That's true. Anybody who 357 00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: ever had to be in the Boy Scouts, you'll understand, 358 00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: cool understand exactly what I'm saying when I say that 359 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: man peddling popcorn just did not compare. Well, those cookies 360 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: just sell themselves through popcorn. You gotta have a really 361 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: slick line. Yeah, popcorn, you gotta, you've got to work 362 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: the angles, sell popcorn. But this this organization, this kind 363 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:16,880 Speaker 1: of scouting organization, they met up regularly. They would go hiking, camping, 364 00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,760 Speaker 1: maybe twice a month or so. In Boy Scouts, groups 365 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: of kids will be organized into smaller groups called troops, 366 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 1: and troops are often going to be named after animals, 367 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: like just almost any animal. You can imagine. Rabbit troop. Yeah, 368 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: that's great, the rabbits blows. That was one of mine. 369 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: You had a troop of boy Scouts called the wee Blows. Yeah, 370 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:42,640 Speaker 1: it wasn't that, just like the many boy Scouts like, yeah, 371 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: I know, it was awesome. Just below cub right, um, 372 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: I can't remember, is it cub Scout? We blow boy Scouts? 373 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: But right, a coveted eagle like Dr Buzz Rendezvous. Isn't 374 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,919 Speaker 1: there also life life? Yeah, there's life after eagles the 375 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: top one, and then you get life before that, gotcha, 376 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: I think? And then after that there are all things 377 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: like Order of the Arrow, and then do you want 378 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:16,600 Speaker 1: to be a Scout master? And that's cool, it's interesting. 379 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 1: You know our one of our coworkers and producers Ramsey 380 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: junt is an Engel Scout. Yeah, and you're not. I am. 381 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, yeah, I just wanted to in 382 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: another life and another life, I paid my dues in 383 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: the woods. I came out way more cryptic than I meant. 384 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,160 Speaker 1: I meant that I had to go get orienteering, marat 385 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: batches and stuff. That's fair. So so this group, the Ants, 386 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 1: was just kind of like one of those yeah, the same, 387 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: but kind of like it. They were just called the Ants, yeah, 388 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: like the Rabbits to Knowl's examples. So even now, we 389 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: don't know very much about the internal escalation that led 390 00:26:56,560 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: this group, that led Joseph Scala and as followers to 391 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: go from being a hiking enthusiast group to possibly an 392 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:10,119 Speaker 1: offshoot of this other new spiritual movement. But we do 393 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: know that psychological experts studied Barbara Scarlova extensively while she 394 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: was in custody, while she's under supervision, and this again 395 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,680 Speaker 1: is going to be a situation where we do want 396 00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:27,440 Speaker 1: to give a warning about the graphic nature of their findings. 397 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,280 Speaker 1: So in their investigation, the way that the trial went 398 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: is that the trial didn't really focus on the mysterious 399 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: doctor because they couldn't find that person, couldn't prove who 400 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: it was, so instead they looked at Clara and Katerina 401 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: as the instigators along with Barbara or Anika, and according 402 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,600 Speaker 1: to the psychologists, Barbara was the main initiator and manipulator 403 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: of the situation. She initiated the abuse by getting the 404 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 1: grown ups quote unquote grown ups, because let's not forget 405 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: she was in her thirties to abuse these children. And 406 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:15,360 Speaker 1: when she was arrested in Oslo, Norway, living as thirteen 407 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,560 Speaker 1: year old kid named Adam, police also found her diary, 408 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,640 Speaker 1: and in her diary, she allegedly described all the details 409 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: about her various identities, including how she prepared herself, and 410 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: experts said that beyond a shadow of a doubt, this 411 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:37,320 Speaker 1: woman does not have schizophrenia or a similar disease. She 412 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840 Speaker 1: knows what she's doing is wrong, and she can differentiate 413 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 1: between good and evil. And she's wearing multiple identities just 414 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: to manipulate people. Yeah, it's not multiple personality disorder anything 415 00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,760 Speaker 1: to that effect. It's I'm doing this to get something, 416 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: and she's obviously successful at it. I mean this, The 417 00:28:56,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: amount of effort that's going into these schemes is outrageous, 418 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,959 Speaker 1: Like you said, Ben Christian Bale method Meisner kind of 419 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: like levels of yeah, prap. Well, and here's one of 420 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: the craziest things. You'd think someone like this is a criminal, 421 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:14,600 Speaker 1: mastermind of some sort of genius level of person. Yeah, 422 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:17,959 Speaker 1: but her her i Q levels were tested multiple times 423 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,520 Speaker 1: and she consistently came back as around nine, which is 424 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: not not a genius. It's I mean, it's it's fine, 425 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 1: it's functioning, but it's you know, I don't know what 426 00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: do you guys know what your i Q s are, 427 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: at least from the tests. I don't know what mine 428 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: is either. I'm hoping I'm in the hundred something range 429 00:29:39,520 --> 00:29:42,840 Speaker 1: your way up there. I honestly have no idea. We 430 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: should all take one. I don't know we have to 431 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: go one, two, three. Also, the i Q tests, I'm 432 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: sure several folks listening along with this one point out 433 00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: is just cartoonishly flawed. Well, oh yeah, and here's the 434 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,880 Speaker 1: here's the thing. The big question, right she kept scoring 435 00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 1: is that because she wanted to score around a good question, 436 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: is it an affectation? Right? Because what they also found 437 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: was that the experts believe that this person had consciously 438 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:24,280 Speaker 1: chosen to live as a child on all levels on 439 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: you know, like we said that like a misner Daniel 440 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,320 Speaker 1: day Lewis level where production never wraps in the movie 441 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:36,719 Speaker 1: never ends. This allows her to avoid taking responsibility for 442 00:30:36,720 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: her actions, and they say at the same time, it 443 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: allows her to get the attention that she desperately seeks, 444 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: because they said she had what's called a histrionic personality 445 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: and a strong inclination to manipulative behavior. They also had 446 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: sexologists study her. I didn't realize they were called sexologists. 447 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: You know, it may be an error of inslation on 448 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 1: my part. I hope not. It's a very straightforward name 449 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: for a profession. It's it's a legit thing, psychology, scientific 450 00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 1: studies of course. Of course. Um, so the people in 451 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: this profession um proved that she definitely has sada massochistic predispositions, 452 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: which I could see that as being very clear from 453 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: the from her actions and with lesbian and pedophilic orientation, 454 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: UM also pretty clear. Yeah. In other words, she means 455 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: this means, I guess or kind of tells us that 456 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: she is excited by the exploitation and torture of children. 457 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:46,600 Speaker 1: She is sexually stimulated by that, which is that's the 458 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 1: horror that we were talking about at the top of 459 00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: the show. That's what they call a bad combo. Yeah, 460 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:55,960 Speaker 1: a monster made flesh. I have you know this is 461 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 1: this is the kind of thing that you would maybe 462 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: here associated with very monstrous serial killers. Yeah, you know, 463 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 1: like Albert Fish or something. Well, and it gets us 464 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: into some of the most most basic but controversial and 465 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: difficult to discuss uh topics, which is the whole nature 466 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: versus nurture thing of when you you know, when you're 467 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 1: when you're born um or what happens to you what 468 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: creates something like that in someone. Generally, my opinion would 469 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: be that something happens to you that that person has 470 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: made that person is um Things happen to that person 471 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 1: to create that kind of orientation, in my opinion. And 472 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you think about the doctor, whoever that 473 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: person was, if it was, in fact, you know, the father, 474 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: you think may before it to be that specific, such 475 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 1: a specific hang up, a specific fetish, I guess, is 476 00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,720 Speaker 1: a lack of it for lack of a better term, Yeah, 477 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's just a lot of a lot 478 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: of serial murderers have either a history of abuse or 479 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 1: a history of brain injury though, absolutely that triggers them. 480 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: And then I guess if we're looking at um, maybe 481 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: a mental condition like schizophrenia. You know, there have been 482 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: people who have committed murders because they have a break 483 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: But this sounds so calculated on this person's part. You know. Yeah, 484 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: in the in the show I work on outside of 485 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 1: this one um about the killer Keith Hunter jesperson, he 486 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: had a head injury. He also had a very manipulative, 487 00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: abusive father that he kind of cow to owed too 488 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: when he was a child. And he also just had 489 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: a predisposition to violence, and so it was kind of 490 00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: a combination of nature to sort of the shows about 491 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: is like kind of like pinning down where that divide is, 492 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: and you see that in all these cases. But I 493 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: agree with you, Matt, that the more abhorrent and um 494 00:33:57,400 --> 00:34:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of out there that the predilections are for these people, like, 495 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: the more likely that part is they experienced something something 496 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: was done to them that they carried with them. That's 497 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: that's chilling. And that podcast is Happy Face available now 498 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,919 Speaker 1: where you find your favorite shows. We've got a couple 499 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: episodes left and we took a break off for the holidays, 500 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:18,720 Speaker 1: but um, it's it's back a strong as me. Twelve 501 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 1: episodes total, so it's look to me, thanks dude. And 502 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: as these details emerge. When we first did this video, 503 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 1: we didn't have the benefit of this expert analysis, right, 504 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: We didn't find that the first time around, So the 505 00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: video is much shorter, but we have some additional details 506 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: as well as the different specific aspects of this case. 507 00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: In this horrific event, horrific series of events emerges, the 508 00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: Grail movement themselves deny any involvement with this sect or 509 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,399 Speaker 1: the group, or this community or this dare I say, 510 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: this cult known as the Ants, And they also denied 511 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,439 Speaker 1: any involvement with other offshoot sets of the movement, sort 512 00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: of like how um, sort of like how a mom's 513 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: in the Muslim world will deny the nation of Islam. 514 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: I'll say, that's a different religion. We're a Muslim. There's 515 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,279 Speaker 1: something else, you know what I mean? Well, And the 516 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,319 Speaker 1: other thing here is the quality and the amount of 517 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: filming the cameras that were set up to monitor this abuse. 518 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 1: They were of such a level that it's thought that 519 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: perhaps this was something bigger than just uh Barbara up 520 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,240 Speaker 1: there as Anika watching it for her own pleasure, or 521 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 1: you know, could it have been somebody else also watching it? 522 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: Was there? Yeah? Was there more to this story? And 523 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: that I think is the most frightening aspect of this 524 00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 1: because that is largely the question shooting upon which our 525 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: story ends. Publicly, no one really knows what happened. Somehow 526 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: Joseph Scarla escaped. He was never charged with a crime, 527 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: just like Kaiser Soz disappeared. His whereabouts are unknown as 528 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: we record this. We don't even know if he was 529 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: actually the doctor, which I wanted to ask ask everyone, 530 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: do you do We think it's possible that, in addition 531 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,839 Speaker 1: to impersonating these different people, Barbara herself could have been 532 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,960 Speaker 1: the doctor, like with a hidden phone sending text messages 533 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,319 Speaker 1: or something. I don't know, because then she did meet 534 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: Clara did meet somebody in the car, right, Yeah, so 535 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,880 Speaker 1: you have to wonder. We do have good news of 536 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: a sort of all the people who are charged in 537 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: this trial, Clara, Katerina yan Turak, Hanna Bosova, Yon Scarla, 538 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 1: and his sister Barboris s Glova. All of them were 539 00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: found guilty and they were all sentenced, but they have 540 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,800 Speaker 1: all served their sentences already and they live free somewhere 541 00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 1: in the world, at least as far as we could find. 542 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,720 Speaker 1: Barboris Skalova was released from prison in two thousand twelve, 543 00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 1: and now people believe she's either been living in South 544 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 1: Moravia or a place called Berno, b r and Oh. 545 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:33,479 Speaker 1: The most recent reports show that she is living under 546 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: a new name. Uh No longer plays the piano. She 547 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: was noted as a talented pianist. She's under the monitoring 548 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:48,800 Speaker 1: of the Probation and Mediation Service or Medication Service. According 549 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,120 Speaker 1: to the psychiatrist who observe her, she has severe mental 550 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: difficulties and she often appears to switch between one or 551 00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:59,880 Speaker 1: more of her previous young male personalities. Here's another thing 552 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: to add to that troubling possibility, that breadcrumb of a 553 00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: larger ring people. She has more more young personalities than 554 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: a Nika and or Adam. She exhibits multiple ones, and 555 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,760 Speaker 1: is that because she has been she's infected other families 556 00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 1: in the past. Earlier we said that she was analyzed 557 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: and there were no signs of multiple personalities schnzophrenia. So 558 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,440 Speaker 1: is this like calculated? Even more, there is this like 559 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 1: a project monarch thing where something is placed upon her 560 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:42,800 Speaker 1: psyche good god. This story is um the stuff of 561 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: nightmares really is. And I know this sounds really messed 562 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,879 Speaker 1: up to say, but I would be interested to see 563 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,879 Speaker 1: this handled very artfully in a in a film. Maybe 564 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: it's too I don't know. Maybe it's almost like giving 565 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: short shrift to the victims to even consider making this 566 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: into some kind of work of you know, fictionalized account 567 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: or whatever like that. But it's just got all the 568 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: intrigue and the twists and like you could, Oh my god. 569 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: I think there was some I want to say, when 570 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: we were working on this few years back, there was 571 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 1: some film that maybe it borrowed aspects of the story, 572 00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,880 Speaker 1: but I think maybe it was just they were borrowing 573 00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,839 Speaker 1: the idea of an adult impersonating a child so successfully 574 00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: for so long. It's the it's called orphan or that's 575 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:31,799 Speaker 1: what it is. It was available like not that long 576 00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:33,920 Speaker 1: ago at least, and I don't think it came out 577 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,920 Speaker 1: that long ago either. Two thousand nine, Yeah, two thousand nine, Okay, 578 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:43,960 Speaker 1: oh god, that's it's over nine years ago. Uh, we're 579 00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:47,920 Speaker 1: all yeah, yeah, but you know, maybe we're aging like 580 00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:51,879 Speaker 1: wine or a good cheese, like fine wine, like fine 581 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 1: fine cheese. Tann those tannins are really shown up. So 582 00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,759 Speaker 1: at this point, unfortunately, this worry is is probably not over. 583 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:05,160 Speaker 1: But this is where the path drops off. We don't 584 00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 1: know much else about what's happened. We do know that, 585 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:16,160 Speaker 1: according to the psychiatric reports, while Barbara has stopped playing 586 00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,600 Speaker 1: piano near as much, she does spend a lot of 587 00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: time drawing quote very morbid pictures. As for what happened 588 00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,880 Speaker 1: to this group as possible cult whenever you want to 589 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,800 Speaker 1: call them, where the leader is, if the leader exists, 590 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:33,879 Speaker 1: if the so called doctor exists, what their plans are 591 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:39,760 Speaker 1: for other children or other families. For now, it's something 592 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. It's a it's a 593 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: relatively successful conspiracy, and it's something that I'm perfectly happy 594 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: to close the book on for today, because geez, the police. 595 00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,240 Speaker 1: I remember the feeling in when I finished the video. 596 00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: I didn't ever want to think about this ever again. 597 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,080 Speaker 1: And here we are, and here we are. Pull you 598 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:05,040 Speaker 1: back in, Matt, uh, Well we got through it. You're 599 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,480 Speaker 1: an intrepid traveler, my friend. We've made it through. Guys, 600 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: all of us. We can end on a on a 601 00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:17,040 Speaker 1: completely unrelated different note that's not near as depressing Okay, scary, Uh, 602 00:41:17,440 --> 00:41:20,440 Speaker 1: here it is. We want to thank Spencer see Schloter, 603 00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 1: who dropped by our community page Here's where it gets 604 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:27,960 Speaker 1: crazy and hipped us to an amazing story that I 605 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,480 Speaker 1: did not believe it first, even though it's in Time magazine. 606 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 1: It's titled the US military believes people have a sixth sense. 607 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:45,280 Speaker 1: That's that's cool. Yeah, intuition. They the Since two thousand 608 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,360 Speaker 1: and fourteen, the Office of Naval Research apparently has embarked 609 00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,880 Speaker 1: on a four year, three point eight five million dollar 610 00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:57,279 Speaker 1: research program to explore premonitions, intuition or what we have 611 00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: on this show before called Spidey sense. That's right, and 612 00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,719 Speaker 1: specifically they're looking at it for I was going to 613 00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:07,320 Speaker 1: say for use, or looking at it in application to 614 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:10,320 Speaker 1: to apply to sailors and marines, people who are actually 615 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:13,600 Speaker 1: in the fighting force, and or people who are surveilling. 616 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480 Speaker 1: We should do an episode on this. What do you think? Yes, agreed, 617 00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:23,160 Speaker 1: a sense that we may that's the word joke. Well, 618 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening, everybody. Uh, enjoy is 619 00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:31,759 Speaker 1: the wrong word. But we hope you have found this 620 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:35,800 Speaker 1: as strange as we have this story. Let us know 621 00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,480 Speaker 1: if you have any updates on the Korom case or 622 00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:41,480 Speaker 1: the case of the ants. Uh, and let us know 623 00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:44,840 Speaker 1: if you have found stories in your neck of the 624 00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:47,680 Speaker 1: woods that are similar. I know this goes with that saying, 625 00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 1: but if you suspect a child, you know, a friend 626 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:55,560 Speaker 1: of of one of your children, perhaps is being mistreated. Anyway, 627 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: there are resources for reporting this beyond just calling the police. 628 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,399 Speaker 1: I mean, there are you know, people that can help 629 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: absolutely in the US and Canada. You can contact the 630 00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,680 Speaker 1: Child Help National Child Abuse Hotline. 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