Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial.
Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day.
Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Holmes alongside my partner Amy Robot and Roams.
Speaker 1: A lot of people know and love Aubrey Oday. They
Speaker 1: know the name and they love the music. They know
Speaker 1: her as a platinum selling, chart topping artist.
Speaker 2: That's right. She was a member of the hit making
Speaker 2: all female group Danity Kane, but a lot of people
Speaker 2: in recent years and months have become more familiar with
Speaker 2: her as an outspoken, very public supporter of Cassie Ventura,
Speaker 2: the ex girlfriend of Sean Dittycomb's. Aubrey has been outspoken
Speaker 2: and has frankly minced no words in her thoughts about Diddy.
Speaker 1: And of course, many people have many thoughts about Diddy,
Speaker 1: but Aubrey is uniquely positioned to speak about him because
Speaker 1: she got to see him and know him in a
Speaker 1: way that most of the world never did. He was
Speaker 1: her boss, her mentor you could argue he was the
Speaker 1: one who gave her that shot at stardom, putting her
Speaker 1: in Danity Kane as a member of that band and
Speaker 1: making the band that was I did watch that show
Speaker 1: until several seasons, and I still have some of the
Speaker 1: music from that first group be put together on some
Speaker 1: of my playlists the van. There are some that I
Speaker 1: still love, but it's in that capacity. Aubrey O'Day is
Speaker 1: sitting next to us here in New York City, and
Speaker 1: let's start. Aubrey, you are as we sit here right
Speaker 1: up the street from where the trial is taking place.
Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that.
Speaker 1: So some people saw that you were going to be
Speaker 1: in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions.
Speaker 1: So can you clear that up? First of all, are
Speaker 1: you here to testify from the Ditty trial?
Speaker 4: No, I'm not here to testify for the Didty trial
Speaker 4: that I know of.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, what was that ever something that came
Speaker 1: up or consideration. Did you ever get a call any lawyer?
Speaker 1: Did you even stand by and maybe even think you
Speaker 1: might be called?
Speaker 4: I was contacted by Homeland Security, and I did. I
Speaker 4: did have a meeting with Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: And at what at any point did they tell you
Speaker 2: we're considering you to testify, We're considering your evidence that
Speaker 2: you've given us in the trial.
Speaker 3: They tell you to.
Speaker 4: Keep discretion with your meeting with us obviously because the
Speaker 4: trial has taken place, and you know, aside from being
Speaker 4: on a poster board the first day of trial and
Speaker 4: jurors naming me and that was a little uncomfortable because
Speaker 4: I didn't understand that piece. You know, the times we've
Speaker 4: talked in between since then, I feel it's a comfortable
Speaker 4: place where I can say that now.
Speaker 1: And folks, this is how it works. And I am
Speaker 1: sure that. I mean, you posted a picture on like
Speaker 1: your Instagram story of you on the plane coming to
Speaker 1: New York and it wasn't much longer than that that
Speaker 1: some some tabloid writes that sources say she's coming to testify.
Speaker 1: Now it's just everywhere. What has that been like? Just
Speaker 1: after that article came out? What kind of happened? Phone
Speaker 1: started ringing, tech started coming, So what was that like?
Speaker 1: And that was just the past twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I got a message from actually our producer
Speaker 4: here and she said, do you have something you need
Speaker 4: to tell me, and then sent me the article And
Speaker 4: then I was like immediately in shock because all I
Speaker 4: did was read the headline, and the headline was like,
Speaker 4: she's testifying today, we know what she feels about it
Speaker 4: like click this to see her feelings on it, and
Speaker 4: I was like thinking to myself, like, what in the world.
Speaker 4: I hadn't even had time because as that happened, about
Speaker 4: six hundred text messages fled in six hundred calls, and
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's people here that I'm picking
Speaker 4: up or not. So I pick up a call it's TMZ,
Speaker 4: it's this.
Speaker 3: One that one.
Speaker 4: I hang up and then when they know that you
Speaker 4: picked up, they'll call back fifteen times. Then you have
Speaker 4: to run to your phone get their numbers, block them.
Speaker 4: So I did that about fifteen to twenty times. Like
Speaker 4: it took all morning to just handle that. Beyond that,
Speaker 4: beyond the hassles of it, it's a safety situation. And
Speaker 4: like you said, I posted on my Instagram that I
Speaker 4: was here in New York and enjoying myself because I
Speaker 4: wanted to make it clear to everyone that I am
Speaker 4: not here testifying, because obviously, if anyone knows at all
Speaker 4: anything about situations like this, or if you don't, let
Speaker 4: me explain to you, this is a very uh you
Speaker 4: could potentially be in danger. And it's not something that
Speaker 4: you go announce. It's not something that you frolic around
Speaker 4: about You definitely don't speak about it. I have been outspoken.
Speaker 4: You definitely don't travel openly and let everyone know where
Speaker 4: you're staying and who you're with at all.
Speaker 3: So I thought I was like, yeah.
Speaker 1: In danger from whom?
Speaker 3: I mean? New York is Diddy City. You know.
Speaker 4: The hotel I'm staying at is the hotel that he's
Speaker 4: filmed many things in. And everybody remembers me from when
Speaker 4: I was a kid. The same guys that were working
Speaker 4: back then were working there now. When I walked in,
Speaker 4: I didn't even need to hand in I He said,
Speaker 4: you've aged so well since you were a kid. I
Speaker 4: don't remember any of these people, but they all remember me.
Speaker 4: They want to get into their feelings on it. They
Speaker 4: want to ask me questions about Cassie and Puff, and
Speaker 4: they're telling me they miss certain people that I know
Speaker 4: are part of some very heavy allegations, even in regards
Speaker 4: to me, and they're talking about missing them. It's just triggering,
Speaker 4: so triggering, And of course nobody knew that when I
Speaker 4: was being put in that hotel that that was a
Speaker 4: staple hotel of the man. And I don't like being difficult,
Speaker 4: but that's what I've been experienced, So I don't even know.
Speaker 4: I didn't know if a hotel leak did if I
Speaker 4: didn't know how it happened in all, honestly, wow.
Speaker 2: And so I've got a couple questions. First of all,
Speaker 2: how do you feel being back here in New York?
Speaker 2: You just described that you were inadvertently put in a
Speaker 2: hotel that was very familiar to you, with your days
Speaker 2: with Ditty, and just being here and knowing he is
Speaker 2: on trial just a few blocks away. How do you
Speaker 2: feel emotionally?
Speaker 4: So, when I got here, I felt that exhilt feeling
Speaker 4: that New York gives you, right, it just buzzes unlike
Speaker 4: any other place in this country. And that I got
Speaker 4: like an instant, like I got those throwback feelings of
Speaker 4: when things were good. And then I started to see
Speaker 4: things that reminded me of times and positions and situations
Speaker 4: that occurred that were not so pleasant. And then I
Speaker 4: started to feel a little more grumpy about being in
Speaker 4: the city. And then after you know, I'm constantly reviewing testimony,
Speaker 4: I'm constantly seeing people that I was there and knew
Speaker 4: at all of those times I when I was there,
Speaker 4: when Cassie was brought in when she was dating Ryan
Speaker 4: prior to puff and all of the aboves. So it's
Speaker 4: like very sensitive for me to watch her have to
Speaker 4: tell the world the things that were going on. It
Speaker 4: is very difficult thing to do. The bravery is unmeasurable
Speaker 4: right now, especially eight months eight and a half months pregnant,
Speaker 4: and it's triggered. And then also I kind of feel,
Speaker 4: you know. I was asking people that are in court
Speaker 4: that I'm friends with, the journalists, and I was asking,
Speaker 4: does she feel like she's still hurting, like you are
Speaker 4: you seeing someone that's hurting, Are you seeing someone that's
Speaker 4: healed and just recalling things for a trial? And she said,
Speaker 4: definitely still hurting and very much in the process of
Speaker 4: like fully being engulfed in what it is to go through.
Speaker 3: All of it.
Speaker 4: And that hurt me because I just wanted to believe
Speaker 4: that this was like something that she was so healed
Speaker 4: from or that she was you know. But she said
Speaker 4: it's almost cathartic because it feels like at the end
Speaker 4: of watching her each day that she's facing this person
Speaker 4: and she's able to finally get this off of her chest.
Speaker 4: And so she thinks that she told me she thought
Speaker 4: this would likely be something that's going to be healing,
Speaker 4: which then you know all of the band. I talk
Speaker 4: to everyone from dubband, the band that you like. Babs
Speaker 4: and I are sisters. Oh we're we're on FaceTime. I'm
Speaker 4: going to try to She'll come on the show and
Speaker 4: talk with us as well. Our unique perspectives are very interesting.
Speaker 4: But you know, I talk to everybody most of the nights,
Speaker 4: and it's triggering everybody in different ways.
Speaker 3: It is a whirlwind.
Speaker 4: We go up, we go down. Some days we have
Speaker 4: sympathy for Puffs. Some days we feel that he's an
Speaker 4: absolute monster, and we say all kinds of things that
Speaker 4: I cannot repeat, Like it's very very uncomfortable.
Speaker 1: Tell me about the sympathetic days to Diddy. What does
Speaker 1: that look like when you have a moment of feeling
Speaker 1: bad for the guy?
Speaker 4: Well, because it wasn't all bad, but I don't know
Speaker 4: that any of the good was real. So I hearing
Speaker 4: how graphic. I mean these are things that were you know, known,
Speaker 4: but just hearing very specific details.
Speaker 2: How known were that? Though I'm curious.
Speaker 4: Bad Boy was like, like you know how they say prison,
Speaker 4: being in prison, that's like the most it's the bigger.
Speaker 4: It's you get more gossip in prison than you do
Speaker 4: in West Hollywood. Like they talk in prison, bad boy.
Speaker 4: Everybody was bumping the gums. They were all talking everything
Speaker 4: that they knew that was going on. And you'll hear
Speaker 4: testimony in a lot of the civil cases they talk
Speaker 4: about videos just being passed around of things that were
Speaker 4: going on. I mean, everybody was always discussing things.
Speaker 2: How did this not get out sooner? Then?
Speaker 3: I think, I think it's a number of things.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Babs and I were I was
Speaker 4: talking with my lawyer and I was saying, you know,
Speaker 4: it's frustrating for me to see so many people depending
Speaker 4: on the day. Right the first day, Cassie was being
Speaker 4: attacked in a good amount of the discussion forums. The
Speaker 4: second day, people were like, Okay, yeah, you know it's there.
Speaker 4: They're building a case, so it takes time to present
Speaker 4: and they're establishing something much bigger than just this story.
Speaker 4: Right now, they have to establish an entire organization of crime.
Speaker 4: We're starting with just an inside perspective of one person
Speaker 4: who is being allegedly trafficked. Looks like right, so it's
Speaker 4: like it's like, sorry, what was her exactly?
Speaker 2: Well, my question was how with so many people who
Speaker 2: knew what was going on, that there was video, there
Speaker 2: was evidence.
Speaker 3: So I think that.
Speaker 4: In the very beginning, you know, Babs and I were
Speaker 4: speaking about this last night, there was coercion happening in
Speaker 4: front of the world. I was.
Speaker 3: She sent me a clip of this famous.
Speaker 4: Artist right now whose mom had auditioned from making the band,
Speaker 4: and she was like, yo, he just went on tiny desk.
Speaker 3: He killed it, and he brought his mom on it.
Speaker 4: He sings in his song how she auditioned from making
Speaker 4: the band and didn't get it and came home crying
Speaker 4: and thought her career was over. And now she was
Speaker 4: sitting next to him on tiny desk, singing, and she
Speaker 4: was like, look at this, and I recognized her and
Speaker 4: that they kind of flashed back to the episode where
Speaker 4: did he make us run Central Park until a few
Speaker 4: people dropped They would be cut and then we would
Speaker 4: move on to the next task for the day, run
Speaker 4: Central Park while he is in a golf cart with
Speaker 4: a megaphone, screaming, doing all the doing the most, while
Speaker 4: the girl next to me's knees are buckling, people are crying.
Speaker 4: We were out there for a good while we were
Speaker 4: running until people fell. That was the mission at hand.
Speaker 4: So I was saying that, like, why would anybody do that?
Speaker 4: And it's because this very powerful person was offering us
Speaker 4: the opportunity of a lifetime. And the command was run
Speaker 4: Central Park until people drop. Once the number has reached conclusion,
Speaker 4: we will move on to the next thing. And then
Speaker 4: when I said that to Bab, she said, let me
Speaker 4: give you my perspective. I'm a black woman from Brooklyn
Speaker 4: and I was in a group with all black men
Speaker 4: and a mixed woman another the singer Sarah, And he said,
Speaker 4: we were sitting in a room with him, and he
Speaker 4: told all of us walk to Brooklyn and get cheesecake,
Speaker 4: so racially, to get a room full of the most
Speaker 4: talented kids that were around at that time. That you know,
Speaker 4: there's a lot of commentary on, oh, well, Cassie was weak,
Speaker 4: she wanted to be there, this, that or the other.
Speaker 4: They're painting a lot of pictures around the image or
Speaker 4: the idea of Cassie. Well, let's look at the idea
Speaker 4: of a bunch of people from Brooklyn that look like
Speaker 4: puff and him telling them to walk to Brooklyn. People
Speaker 4: developed tendonitis, people were in the hospitals that night, Babs
Speaker 4: told me. The next day, after recovering from the hospital,
Speaker 4: Puff comes in and says, hey, I heard you went
Speaker 4: to the hospital. And she thought it was going to
Speaker 4: be a moment of like good job, like good way
Speaker 4: to fight. And he was like, so are you telling
Speaker 4: me you want to go home? Then?
Speaker 3: Is what you're saying?
Speaker 4: Like she now in this day and age, and she
Speaker 4: should come on the show and say it herself, but
Speaker 4: she has so many regrets for just culturally what that
Speaker 4: looks like, racially, what that establishes in front of the world,
Speaker 4: and that that long ago Puff could get his own
Speaker 4: people to walk to Brooklyn and get him cheesecake. It's
Speaker 4: not even a Cassie's mixed, or people and Dannity Caine
Speaker 4: were mixed or whatever. It's literally even in an all
Speaker 4: races and everything, all genders across the board, everybody was
Speaker 4: so encompassed by this all encompassing human that none of
Speaker 4: us batted an eye when we were given commands. And
Speaker 4: it's basically coercion. You know, coersion is not just black
Speaker 4: and white how everyone's looking at it.
Speaker 1: Where were you on that scale during your experience in
Speaker 1: the band? Once you had made the band. I mean,
Speaker 1: what was your how would you describe your experience with him? Said?
Speaker 1: It wasn't all bad, but there was and you don't
Speaker 1: know if the good would you say, I don't know
Speaker 1: if the good was real.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if the good was real.
Speaker 4: I mean I had moments that were I felt I felt
Speaker 4: like I mean, I've said this before, like, if you
Speaker 4: could ask me to revisit anyone, and I've been a
Speaker 4: lot of around of a lot of very powerful people,
Speaker 4: and not just around them, but dated them and have
Speaker 4: lived with them and so on and so forth, if
Speaker 4: there was anyone that I could revisit being proud of
Speaker 4: me and the feeling that they gave me when they
Speaker 4: thought I did something.
Speaker 3: Great, it would be puff.
Speaker 4: That feeling was unlike any other. Everything has been pretty underwhelming.
Speaker 4: And I went on to be almost the last female
Speaker 4: standing and almost win Celebrity Apprentice in front of Trump
Speaker 4: for two three months straight we filmed that show Who's
Speaker 4: Our President? Now, I've been around a lot of very
Speaker 4: powerful people.
Speaker 2: He knew how to make you feel really good, but
Speaker 2: then he also knew there is the opposite.
Speaker 4: The charisma, the charm, the energy as a man, it's
Speaker 4: what Cassie was saying on the stand.
Speaker 3: It was so, it was just so. It felt so.
Speaker 4: Good when you had his attention and he approved you.
Speaker 4: Even for me, I looked more for the approval that
Speaker 4: I was doing something right, because we were always doing
Speaker 4: something wrong and we were always needing to fix and
Speaker 4: it wasn't said to us in the nicest of ways.
Speaker 4: You know, when people recall making the band, they now
Speaker 4: look at it with a different perspective now that some
Speaker 4: movements have occurred and people realize how you should treat
Speaker 4: people in a workplace. But the recalling of it is like, Wow,
Speaker 4: he really was doing a lot of wild shit to
Speaker 4: those people.
Speaker 1: Some of the things you talk about might be sounding
Speaker 1: like a bad dude or you a bad boss. But
Speaker 1: in your experience with him, did anything he ever did
Speaker 1: with you cross a line into possibly being criminal.
Speaker 5: Like federally criminal either, I mean, whatever it may be,
Speaker 5: was your experience with him something not just you need
Speaker 5: to go talk to a therapist about, but maybe a
Speaker 5: police officer about.
Speaker 4: I don't know what certain things fall under legally and
Speaker 4: what's federal and what state, but to give you a
Speaker 4: broad answer, I went through things there.
Speaker 2: What's the worst thing he said to you or did
Speaker 2: to you.
Speaker 4: I can't speak about that because I'm contracted in a
Speaker 4: situation that has exclusivity over the story.
Speaker 1: Oh so the story that you speak of now will
Speaker 1: be told the.
Speaker 4: Cold I'd like to investigate and I would like to
Speaker 4: see justice if for whatever is the truth.
Speaker 1: When can folks expect that possibly to come?
Speaker 4: Well, right now, this is the moment. We're in this
Speaker 4: federal trial. And you know, when you speak with Homeland Security,
Speaker 4: your attorney will tell you you're not victims cannot speak
Speaker 4: to other victims. So if someone, let's say, we're to
Speaker 4: have allegedly seen something happen to me, I wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to ask them. So if there was something that
Speaker 4: happened to me where it appeared that I was not awake,
Speaker 4: if my if I looked out of it, that would
Speaker 4: be scary, because of course then I wouldn't recollect it.
Speaker 4: I also always season all of that with the other side,
Speaker 4: which is people also could be lying. You have to
Speaker 4: season everything with both sides, in my opinion, in order
Speaker 4: to be a fair and biased person. It's emotionally triggering.
Speaker 4: But if you don't have a memory of it, then
Speaker 4: you have questions basically, well, so.
Speaker 2: Are you saying that there was drug use involved in in.
Speaker 3: I don't know experience, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Well am I hearing that you are still trying to
Speaker 1: piece together exactly what happened?
Speaker 3: Yes, I have.
Speaker 4: I cannot further investigate anything with anyone that's a victim
Speaker 4: that was at that time. You know, you can't speak
Speaker 4: to other victims, you know, when you're when if somebody
Speaker 4: has spoken with Homeland Security and you have, if you
Speaker 4: both were asked to testify, it would immediately shut down
Speaker 4: both of your testimonies if you guys had spoken and
Speaker 4: there was any proof of engagement. And so I follow
Speaker 4: the laws, So I did not.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: I haven't been able to confirm all these very very
Speaker 4: big details.
Speaker 2: Do you hope to do that.
Speaker 4: When the time is right? You know, it's very descriptive, well, you.
Speaker 1: Know, aside from legality or legal or otherwise.
Speaker 4: And by the way, there are things I do remember
Speaker 4: as well, but I'm also exclusive. I have an exclusivity
Speaker 4: on those things as well.
Speaker 1: And those will come. We'll find out about this stuff.
Speaker 1: We're just not going to find out now. But do
Speaker 1: you consider yourself legally or otherwise a victim of Shan Combs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all of us were.
Speaker 4: I mean, we have platinum albums and weren't paid for them,
Speaker 4: and we wrote on them. It's not even like a
Speaker 4: you didn't You just were taking other people's songs like
Speaker 4: we wrote.
Speaker 3: We asked to write as much as we could.
Speaker 4: But yeah, when you work for somebody for that long
Speaker 4: and you have platinum albums and you don't see a diamond,
Speaker 4: this isn't in a streaming era. This is when you
Speaker 4: had to pay seventeen ninety nine for the exclusive or
Speaker 4: fourteen ninety nine when you walked into the store, aside
Speaker 4: from all the other work, like not being able to
Speaker 4: see paychecks for that, which is interesting because since he
Speaker 4: has been put in jail, payments are coming.
Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, you're getting paid for the first time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what it's for. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've not significant payments.
Speaker 3: They're not as small as the gag order.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I call it a gag order because
Speaker 4: it came prior to Cassie dropping and I smelled something
Speaker 4: by the third line that did not feel correct. I'm
Speaker 4: aware of the behavior, and I did feel in my
Speaker 4: soul that there was something up because.
Speaker 2: There were strings attached to that money.
Speaker 4: Well, he remember the big wave of media that covered
Speaker 4: Ditty's giving all of his artists they're publishing back. It
Speaker 4: was a huge news story. I got to see every
Speaker 4: single big journalists, same ones that said I was on trial.
Speaker 4: Those types of people, you know, the ones that are
Speaker 4: truly informed.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we call them journalists.
Speaker 3: Well they called them.
Speaker 4: They consider themselves journalists, and you'd be surprised how many
Speaker 4: people consider them real truth tellers.
Speaker 2: He's had a little experience with it. Yes, I know
Speaker 2: you have you get it then it is shocking. Yes,
Speaker 2: when you you've been very public in your support for
Speaker 2: Cassie and very public in how you feel about Diddy
Speaker 2: and how he treated everyone.
Speaker 3: And good and bad, good and bad.
Speaker 2: But when you see this all be now played out,
Speaker 2: do you feel vindicated? Do you feel like you weren't
Speaker 2: believed the way you should have been all those years ago,
Speaker 2: and now when this is all coming out, how does
Speaker 2: that make you feel?
Speaker 4: So part of this thing that has occurred has like
Speaker 4: a therapy piece attached to it, because you know, when
Speaker 4: you're working with companies, they want to make sure you're
Speaker 4: protecting your mental health and situations like this. When I
Speaker 4: was speaking about it, the thought that question was basically
Speaker 4: played around with, and the answer I came to was
Speaker 4: there were certain parts of myself every all along my
Speaker 4: journey in this industry that I have just had to
Speaker 4: shed or I wouldn't have been able to stay alive.
Speaker 4: They were that traumatic, they were that hurtful, they were
Speaker 4: that painful, they were that factful, embarrassing, humiliating. So much
Speaker 4: was humiliating, and like, hardly any of it is even factual.
Speaker 4: I don't even I don't know that I've seen a
Speaker 4: factual headline in a while years maybe, but people are
Speaker 4: like saying all of these praises to me all the time,
Speaker 4: and I think to myself, yeah, I just I'm numb
Speaker 4: to it. And even people that say it to me,
Speaker 4: they're like, don't you feel good? Like you're finally people
Speaker 4: believe you. And I say, do you think that the
Speaker 4: tides have changed? And people finally like are believing what
Speaker 4: I said for the past twenty years, and they go yes, yes,
Speaker 4: And then I told my therapist, like, that's how I
Speaker 4: gauge how things are shifting, because I don't personally feel anything.
Speaker 4: Those layers of me had to have been shed in
Speaker 4: order for me to survive.
Speaker 1: I'm not putting this on you, but I have heard
Speaker 1: people in the past when they get to a moment
Speaker 1: like this and they say, Wow, I should have said
Speaker 1: something sooner, or I should have spoken up loud, or
Speaker 1: I should have fought harder, And then maybe this person
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been able to continue to victimize. Have you
Speaker 1: had a moment to where you said, you've been staying
Speaker 1: this for twenty years, nobody wanted to listen now that
Speaker 1: all of this is out there, have had Maybe.
Speaker 4: I wasn't the right person to deliver the message. Maybe
Speaker 4: they didn't want to hear it from me.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Somebody said that to me.
Speaker 4: Though the other day in a DM like maybe they
Speaker 4: just didn't want to hear it from you.
Speaker 3: But you have said it. There's a lot of layers
Speaker 3: to this.
Speaker 4: I mean, this case essentially has like cut open all
Speaker 4: the delusions of power, of race, of security, of love,
Speaker 4: of celebrity. This is a very awakening time for some
Speaker 4: and for others this is a very like this is
Speaker 4: a time where their truths and everything they know to
Speaker 4: have been true or being challenged. This is fully exposing
Speaker 4: the underbelly of what people have painted as this great
Speaker 4: celebrity life and all these perks that everyone and has
Speaker 4: seen throughout all these years. There are interviewers that are
Speaker 4: posting interviews with Cassie saying wow, timing wise, now that
Speaker 4: I'm looking at all of the trans scripts from the trial,
Speaker 4: this was a week after he had done that thing
Speaker 4: in the hotel, and she was sitting in front of
Speaker 4: me as sweet as could be. And I would never
Speaker 4: have been able to tell you any of that happened.
Speaker 3: It's just this.
Speaker 4: I mean, we had media training back then, but nowadays,
Speaker 4: I guess people are calling this new age more real.
Speaker 4: What I see happening is not more real. It's just oversharing.
Speaker 3: I could do.
Speaker 4: I could learn less about most of these people and
Speaker 4: be fine with it. But in this new era, it's
Speaker 4: give them all of your life, show them your family,
Speaker 4: show them your dog. Unless we have access to you constantly,
Speaker 4: unless you are keeping up with the kids that are posting,
Speaker 4: you fall behind, You fall off. And for a lot
Speaker 4: of us that have been in this industry for decades,
Speaker 4: when we first when I first came into the industry,
Speaker 4: I was coached for a week by media trainers that
Speaker 4: gave me the answers to any question that was at
Speaker 4: all going to be something that would disturb ourselves. And
Speaker 4: you know, for me, they had to really work on
Speaker 4: me because I.
Speaker 2: Aubrey. With all that you know and with all of
Speaker 2: the experience you've had with Seawan Combs, do you think
Speaker 2: he belongs behind bars? Do you think he belongs in
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life?
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to continue to ask myself that
Speaker 4: question for the remainder of this trial without coming up
Speaker 4: with a conclusion I have tried to remove. I wasn't
Speaker 4: even sure that I wanted to do this. That's why
Speaker 4: we're a bit late to the jump on this. And
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you guys, you know, showing respect for
Speaker 4: me in that time, because.
Speaker 3: This is a very raw moment.
Speaker 4: And everybody's kind of seeing now what we were really
Speaker 4: living in and how bad it really got for some people.
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a bandmate that has a lawsuit
Speaker 4: and is potentially taking the stand today or tomorrow.
Speaker 3: This was directly during the era that I was there.
Speaker 4: This specific case is taking place with all the players
Speaker 4: that I know and the people that I was around,
Speaker 4: and I know the levels and extent to which most
Speaker 4: of my band members experienced harassment or assault or whatever.
Speaker 2: Well, to that point, is he a threat to people
Speaker 2: if he is out of prison, if he is out
Speaker 2: and about and able to live his life with all
Speaker 2: of his money? Is he a threat to you or
Speaker 2: to any of your friends or any of your former bandmates?
Speaker 2: Do you think he would be a threat specifically?
Speaker 4: I can give you a few examples of why I
Speaker 4: would lean toward yes. On that he wanted Alex Fine
Speaker 4: taken out of court. His lawyers fought very hard to
Speaker 4: make sure that Alex was removed. They brought up text
Speaker 4: messages that Alex sent him, basically saying like I'm gonna
Speaker 4: fuck you up, etc. Now, listen, if your wife came
Speaker 4: home and told you that that had been happening to her,
Speaker 4: you'd probably send I'm going to fuck you up to
Speaker 4: some people as well.
Speaker 2: And Alex is Cassie's husband, just to point out to folks.
Speaker 4: So it's not anything alarming. This was years ago that
Speaker 4: that occurred. But to bring it up as a reason
Speaker 4: that Puff has been his life has been threatened by
Speaker 4: this man. As if Puff is scared, he brought guns
Speaker 4: to a sugar night dinner. I don't know how scared
Speaker 4: he necessarily would feel over Alex Fine, but to propose
Speaker 4: that his life was endangered and threatened by this man
Speaker 4: and he can't be in the room, that shows me
Speaker 4: that Diddy is still up to his bullshit. The fact
Speaker 4: that the kids are being are marching up to that
Speaker 4: court praying over everything, and walking in with a bunch
Speaker 4: of women also that are encouraging it. I don't know
Speaker 4: any father that would want their children to sit through
Speaker 4: testimony about how much their daddy liked to watch people lubricated,
Speaker 4: fucking getting pissed on and urinated in their mouths, having
Speaker 4: his girlfriend come in the other room and rub their
Speaker 4: come all over his nipples. Is that anything you would
Speaker 4: want your child to learn about?
Speaker 3: Either of you?
Speaker 4: Not saying y'all do that, but whatever the freakiest night
Speaker 4: you guys have had, would you want your children to
Speaker 4: know about it? It's concerning to me that the optics
Speaker 4: of them being there and supporting father are obviously a
Speaker 4: very strong play for the defense.
Speaker 3: The jury is seeing them in there.
Speaker 4: What kids would sit there through this if they didn't
Speaker 4: love their daddy and this was not true. It's an
Speaker 4: optics game, likely, but the optics on that as a father,
Speaker 4: you're a father first, and as a father, I just
Speaker 4: wouldn't want my two girls that are only a year
Speaker 4: younger than Cassie was when he started dating her nineteen
Speaker 4: to thirty seven. I believe the girls are around eighteen.
Speaker 4: I would not ever want my child to hear anything
Speaker 4: like that. And the fact that it's the familiers are
Speaker 4: making these big gestures, and there's his mom bringing them in.
Speaker 4: Kumora brought them in at one point. There's women that
Speaker 4: are potentially encouraging their presence in the courtroom every day,
Speaker 4: and maybe that is what makes them feel like that's
Speaker 4: necessary or whatever, but I don't think they probably like
Speaker 4: to hear that either. It's telling to me it means
Speaker 4: that Daddy's being selfish and he needs In my opinion,
Speaker 4: it feels like Daddy needs you in court because Daddy
Speaker 4: needs all the optics to look in his favor and
Speaker 4: I don't really care what you have to sit through,
Speaker 4: and that to me is just showing that same narcissism
Speaker 4: and ego and may I dare I say coercion that
Speaker 4: we're discussing about this man. You know, his needs come first,
Speaker 4: what he wants comes first. Cassie has said that many
Speaker 4: times on the stand.
Speaker 1: When was the last time you talked to him? What
Speaker 1: was the last interaction you all had? Do you remember
Speaker 1: how long ago it was and what was it?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 3: I think it might have been.
Speaker 4: In Las Vegas when I had a residency there in
Speaker 4: a stage show, and I think he was like flirty
Speaker 4: and fun and I maybe made a comment like still
Speaker 4: seeing if you can make it without me?
Speaker 3: Kid?
Speaker 4: I remember going on Breakfast Club after I got my
Speaker 4: own television show named All about Aubrey and it was
Speaker 4: on buses and elevators. I remember going on Breakfast Club
Speaker 4: and being like, did I make get now without you?
Speaker 5: Did?
Speaker 2: He?
Speaker 4: And I think that actually played it for him from
Speaker 4: what I hear, But but yeah, I mean it felt
Speaker 4: good to prove that, yes, I can make it without you.
Speaker 1: It was on bad terms and at that point when
Speaker 1: you saw him, However, those years and years ago you
Speaker 1: kind of were pleasant. I'm saying as we sit here now,
Speaker 1: the feeling you have about him after all this has
Speaker 1: come out, did you part having those same feelings about him?
Speaker 1: Because you knew so many things that the public didn't.
Speaker 3: Know, did I part? What do you mean?
Speaker 1: Wait when you all kind of went your side way,
Speaker 1: you know? Did you when you left the band when
Speaker 1: you saw him that last time in Vegas? Did you
Speaker 1: feel as strongly as negatively about him then as you
Speaker 1: do now because you had a lot of that information
Speaker 1: just wasn't public yet, or did you learn a lot
Speaker 1: that also intensified your feelings?
Speaker 4: So I knew a lot of things I don't know
Speaker 4: that the time I understood them to be illegal, and
Speaker 4: I don't at the time think I understood well, actually,
Speaker 4: I mean gon things like weapons and whatever I knew
Speaker 4: that was illegal. I mean, listen, when we got off
Speaker 4: the floor at Daddy's house, it was just a big
Speaker 4: white smoke. I mean during studio sessions, we used to
Speaker 4: run to the emergency stairs so we could get some breasts.
Speaker 4: We wouldn't get too high. Like it was a cloud
Speaker 4: of white smoke.
Speaker 3: I don't particularly smoke. Girl. Yeah, the whole floor.
Speaker 4: You'd come out reeking like you have never had a
Speaker 4: day in your life without weed.
Speaker 3: Like it was. It was very intense.
Speaker 4: So for me, did I see a lot of very
Speaker 4: intense things that weren't okay?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 4: Did I understand that anything was like this criminal enterprise.
Speaker 4: I don't know at that age that I would have
Speaker 4: put all of that together.
Speaker 3: And I'm a sharp girl.
Speaker 4: I did see that everybody was at his beck and call.
Speaker 4: I did see that when he wanted something, he got it.
Speaker 4: I did see everybody that was working for us running
Speaker 4: around and doing his bidding. I did see that when
Speaker 4: we were told to do something, we were expected to
Speaker 4: do it.
Speaker 2: Were you ever afraid of him?
Speaker 3: That one's a little harder for me.
Speaker 4: That's a claim that my band member has made in
Speaker 4: her lawsuit that she participated in things out of fear.
Speaker 3: I believe is what I read. I was never afraid.
Speaker 4: Of him to the point where I ever would have
Speaker 4: done something sexual willingly. I would have had to have
Speaker 4: been drugged if anything happened with me.
Speaker 1: And it did, to be clear, huh, and it never did?
Speaker 1: To be clear?
Speaker 3: What never did?
Speaker 1: That never happened between you and Sean Colmes. There wasn't
Speaker 1: ever a physical relationship or he never.
Speaker 4: Never willingly came on to me physically. That's not what
Speaker 4: I'm saying. What I'm saying is there was never consensual
Speaker 4: sex ever.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're investigating?
Speaker 3: I can't get into it.
Speaker 1: But wow, that's you sit here all these years ago
Speaker 1: and to think somebody's trying to figure out what to them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because of the environment.
Speaker 4: That's kind of it's my own little personal health. It's
Speaker 4: been like that since it started.
Speaker 1: That's that we've been seeing testimony and reading testimony and
Speaker 1: all these things. But that's it.
Speaker 4: I watch it all like I'm I'm looking at it
Speaker 4: like this is what I have to do. I have
Speaker 4: to pull myself out of feeling like I want to
Speaker 4: understand the vindication of what I have been told was
Speaker 4: the truth, but I always have to temper it with
Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Maybe I was utilized.
Speaker 4: But again, if I was utilized because I'm somebody that
Speaker 4: has been vocal about this person for two decades then
Speaker 4: and they felt like adding me into the mix would
Speaker 4: be something beneficial, then at the amount of detail that
Speaker 4: I received, I would feel very I'm not the one
Speaker 4: to do that too. I will I will absolutely pursue
Speaker 4: that to the highest degree. You cannot do things like that,
Speaker 4: So I'm just really not the one to fuck around
Speaker 4: with like that.
Speaker 3: They chose the wrong girl.
Speaker 4: Well, Aubrey, we are fascinated again I'm not saying that
Speaker 4: I do or don't believe anything.
Speaker 3: I honestly just don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to find it out.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand you are not.
Speaker 1: Sure all these You don't know if you were assaulted
Speaker 1: or not.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have ever thought that until what until I
Speaker 4: received something that was certain that of what was seen.
Speaker 1: So that explains maybe a lot of the lawsuits. A
Speaker 1: lot of these folks are maybe figuring out what happened
Speaker 1: to them back then. And I know it.
Speaker 4: That was a part of the that was a part
Speaker 4: of you know, the experience with the person that came
Speaker 4: to me. It was something that they they they went,
Speaker 4: they went through their own situation and they were gas
Speaker 4: lid and made allegedly and made to feel allegedly like
Speaker 4: that didn't occur. And then someone admitted to her that
Speaker 4: it did. That this lawsuit comes out allegedly and then
Speaker 4: she thinks back, oh my god, that one thing that
Speaker 4: I saw maybe that was like this and like mine
Speaker 4: and whatever. So you know, it's like all this, it's
Speaker 4: all very complicated, and yeah, not being able to get
Speaker 4: any answers, I mean I even asked Homeland Security, like
Speaker 4: if you guys investigate this and find this out, like
Speaker 4: you're going to tell me, right.
Speaker 3: They can't. They can't. They don't.
Speaker 4: They're federal officers. They don't gossip, they don't share information,
Speaker 4: they can't legally. They're very good at what they do.
Speaker 4: They have a very high conviction rate, and I don't
Speaker 4: believe they would have brought this lawsuit forward if they
Speaker 4: couldn't prove it. They have too high of a conviction
Speaker 4: rate to do something like that. And that's what everyone
Speaker 4: needs to remember as this trial continues on that allow
Speaker 4: everything to unfold. We're just getting pieces of things right now.
Speaker 4: But every day I go back and forth from trying
Speaker 4: to understand, well, case some is consensual, some obviously isn't.
Speaker 4: It's obvious that there was fear there. Anybody that gets
Speaker 4: beat like that has fear. It's very traumatizing for anyone
Speaker 4: that's ever been in any sort of abusive relationship.
Speaker 3: It is bringing up.
Speaker 4: So much, so much, and that's for me, and I
Speaker 4: was there, like other people that weren't even there are
Speaker 4: bringing It's so palpable anyone, And if you haven't experienced
Speaker 4: that abuse, I'm so happy that you were had enough
Speaker 4: information at the young of an age to not be
Speaker 4: able to be manipulated, coerced, groomed, et cetera, and be
Speaker 4: put into situations like that, and more power to you,
Speaker 4: but be very gentle about assuming that everybody else understood
Speaker 4: those types of things the same way you did.
Speaker 3: I think we all need to be.
Speaker 4: Very careful of placing our experience and our understanding and
Speaker 4: our know all in life as it were everyone else's.
Speaker 4: Everyone is very different.
Speaker 2: It's a really, really, really good point, Aubrey, And we
Speaker 2: just want to tell our listeners we are so appreciative
Speaker 2: of you being vulnerable and opening up and talking about
Speaker 2: your experiences, and you're going to help walk us through
Speaker 2: this trial as we see this testimony take place, because
Speaker 2: you can offer perspective like no one else, and so
Speaker 2: we appreciate you joining this conversation about what we're seeing
Speaker 2: and helping people understand what was happening and reading between
Speaker 2: the lines from the testimony that we hear because you
Speaker 2: have insight like no one else. So we appreciate you,
Speaker 2: and we're going to hear a lot more for you.
Speaker 2: We're going to go through the trial and we're going
Speaker 2: to talk as we see several of these women Some
Speaker 2: of them anonymously come up and tell their stories about
Speaker 2: their experience with Didny Yeah