WEBVTT - Aubrey O'Day: Do You Believe Me Now? 0:00:01.200 --> 0:00:05.000 Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial. 0:00:06.600 --> 0:00:10.960 Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day. 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:14.320 I'm TJ. Holmes alongside my partner Amy Robot and Roams. 0:00:14.320 --> 0:00:17.560 A lot of people know and love Aubrey Oday. They 0:00:17.640 --> 0:00:20.159 know the name and they love the music. They know 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.800 her as a platinum selling, chart topping artist. 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.280 That's right. She was a member of the hit making 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:28.600 all female group Danity Kane, but a lot of people 0:00:28.600 --> 0:00:31.880 in recent years and months have become more familiar with 0:00:31.920 --> 0:00:36.760 her as an outspoken, very public supporter of Cassie Ventura, 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.480 the ex girlfriend of Sean Dittycomb's. Aubrey has been outspoken 0:00:40.680 --> 0:00:46.360 and has frankly minced no words in her thoughts about Diddy. 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:48.920 And of course, many people have many thoughts about Diddy, 0:00:49.040 --> 0:00:52.600 but Aubrey is uniquely positioned to speak about him because 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:54.320 she got to see him and know him in a 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:58.720 way that most of the world never did. He was 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.840 her boss, her mentor you could argue he was the 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:05.119 one who gave her that shot at stardom, putting her 0:01:05.200 --> 0:01:09.319 in Danity Kane as a member of that band and 0:01:09.440 --> 0:01:11.840 making the band that was I did watch that show 0:01:12.360 --> 0:01:14.600 until several seasons, and I still have some of the 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.760 music from that first group be put together on some 0:01:16.880 --> 0:01:19.960 of my playlists the van. There are some that I 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:22.760 still love, but it's in that capacity. Aubrey O'Day is 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:27.280 sitting next to us here in New York City, and 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:30.400 let's start. Aubrey, you are as we sit here right 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.839 up the street from where the trial is taking place. 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:35.520 I didn't even realize that. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.560 So some people saw that you were going to be 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:40.960 in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions. 0:01:41.000 --> 0:01:43.320 So can you clear that up? First of all, are 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.520 you here to testify from the Ditty trial? 0:01:46.040 --> 0:01:48.440 No, I'm not here to testify for the Didty trial 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:49.200 that I know of. 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.400 Well, you know, what was that ever something that came 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.760 up or consideration. Did you ever get a call any lawyer? 0:01:54.760 --> 0:01:57.040 Did you even stand by and maybe even think you 0:01:57.120 --> 0:01:57.640 might be called? 0:01:57.760 --> 0:02:02.280 I was contacted by Homeland Security, and I did. I 0:02:02.320 --> 0:02:03.880 did have a meeting with Homeland Security. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.440 And at what at any point did they tell you 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:10.920 we're considering you to testify, We're considering your evidence that 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:12.320 you've given us in the trial. 0:02:12.680 --> 0:02:14.040 They tell you to. 0:02:15.520 --> 0:02:18.880 Keep discretion with your meeting with us obviously because the 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.280 trial has taken place, and you know, aside from being 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:24.520 on a poster board the first day of trial and 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:28.280 jurors naming me and that was a little uncomfortable because 0:02:28.280 --> 0:02:33.880 I didn't understand that piece. You know, the times we've 0:02:33.919 --> 0:02:37.600 talked in between since then, I feel it's a comfortable 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.679 place where I can say that now. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.520 And folks, this is how it works. And I am 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:48.480 sure that. I mean, you posted a picture on like 0:02:48.639 --> 0:02:51.280 your Instagram story of you on the plane coming to 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:54.080 New York and it wasn't much longer than that that 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:59.799 some some tabloid writes that sources say she's coming to testify. 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.040 Now it's just everywhere. What has that been like? Just 0:03:03.440 --> 0:03:07.040 after that article came out? What kind of happened? Phone 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.200 started ringing, tech started coming, So what was that like? 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:10.600 And that was just the past twenty four hours. 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.919 Yeah, So I got a message from actually our producer 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:17.320 here and she said, do you have something you need 0:03:17.360 --> 0:03:20.000 to tell me, and then sent me the article And 0:03:20.040 --> 0:03:22.320 then I was like immediately in shock because all I 0:03:22.360 --> 0:03:24.400 did was read the headline, and the headline was like, 0:03:24.800 --> 0:03:28.160 she's testifying today, we know what she feels about it 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:30.680 like click this to see her feelings on it, and 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.000 I was like thinking to myself, like, what in the world. 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:37.520 I hadn't even had time because as that happened, about 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.000 six hundred text messages fled in six hundred calls, and 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.960 I don't know if it's people here that I'm picking 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:46.360 up or not. So I pick up a call it's TMZ, 0:03:46.520 --> 0:03:46.960 it's this. 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:47.360 One that one. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.360 I hang up and then when they know that you 0:03:49.440 --> 0:03:51.760 picked up, they'll call back fifteen times. Then you have 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:53.760 to run to your phone get their numbers, block them. 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.680 So I did that about fifteen to twenty times. Like 0:03:56.800 --> 0:04:00.520 it took all morning to just handle that. Beyond that, 0:04:00.600 --> 0:04:03.920 beyond the hassles of it, it's a safety situation. And 0:04:04.000 --> 0:04:06.040 like you said, I posted on my Instagram that I 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.120 was here in New York and enjoying myself because I 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.560 wanted to make it clear to everyone that I am 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.960 not here testifying, because obviously, if anyone knows at all 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:17.920 anything about situations like this, or if you don't, let 0:04:17.960 --> 0:04:22.800 me explain to you, this is a very uh you 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:26.200 could potentially be in danger. And it's not something that 0:04:26.240 --> 0:04:29.039 you go announce. It's not something that you frolic around 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.719 about You definitely don't speak about it. I have been outspoken. 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:36.400 You definitely don't travel openly and let everyone know where 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:38.600 you're staying and who you're with at all. 0:04:38.680 --> 0:04:40.280 So I thought I was like, yeah. 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:41.160 In danger from whom? 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.560 I mean? New York is Diddy City. You know. 0:04:46.279 --> 0:04:50.000 The hotel I'm staying at is the hotel that he's 0:04:50.080 --> 0:04:53.640 filmed many things in. And everybody remembers me from when 0:04:53.680 --> 0:04:55.760 I was a kid. The same guys that were working 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.599 back then were working there now. When I walked in, 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.080 I didn't even need to hand in I He said, 0:05:01.320 --> 0:05:03.240 you've aged so well since you were a kid. I 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:06.080 don't remember any of these people, but they all remember me. 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:08.040 They want to get into their feelings on it. They 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:11.000 want to ask me questions about Cassie and Puff, and 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:13.719 they're telling me they miss certain people that I know 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:18.440 are part of some very heavy allegations, even in regards 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.800 to me, and they're talking about missing them. It's just triggering, 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.159 so triggering, And of course nobody knew that when I 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.320 was being put in that hotel that that was a 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:31.200 staple hotel of the man. And I don't like being difficult, 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.760 but that's what I've been experienced, So I don't even know. 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:36.000 I didn't know if a hotel leak did if I 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.080 didn't know how it happened in all, honestly, wow. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:40.400 And so I've got a couple questions. First of all, 0:05:40.760 --> 0:05:42.680 how do you feel being back here in New York? 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:45.080 You just described that you were inadvertently put in a 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:48.279 hotel that was very familiar to you, with your days 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:51.520 with Ditty, and just being here and knowing he is 0:05:51.560 --> 0:05:54.160 on trial just a few blocks away. How do you 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:55.840 feel emotionally? 0:05:57.040 --> 0:06:00.880 So, when I got here, I felt that exhilt feeling 0:06:01.000 --> 0:06:03.799 that New York gives you, right, it just buzzes unlike 0:06:03.880 --> 0:06:07.159 any other place in this country. And that I got 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:11.840 like an instant, like I got those throwback feelings of 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:15.480 when things were good. And then I started to see 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:20.680 things that reminded me of times and positions and situations 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.640 that occurred that were not so pleasant. And then I 0:06:23.640 --> 0:06:26.000 started to feel a little more grumpy about being in 0:06:26.040 --> 0:06:30.159 the city. And then after you know, I'm constantly reviewing testimony, 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:34.080 I'm constantly seeing people that I was there and knew 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:36.080 at all of those times I when I was there, 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:38.400 when Cassie was brought in when she was dating Ryan 0:06:38.800 --> 0:06:42.200 prior to puff and all of the aboves. So it's 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:46.320 like very sensitive for me to watch her have to 0:06:46.360 --> 0:06:48.440 tell the world the things that were going on. It 0:06:48.520 --> 0:06:53.159 is very difficult thing to do. The bravery is unmeasurable 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:56.960 right now, especially eight months eight and a half months pregnant, 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:03.240 and it's triggered. And then also I kind of feel, 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:05.440 you know. I was asking people that are in court 0:07:05.600 --> 0:07:08.400 that I'm friends with, the journalists, and I was asking, 0:07:08.440 --> 0:07:12.200 does she feel like she's still hurting, like you are 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:14.640 you seeing someone that's hurting, Are you seeing someone that's 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.880 healed and just recalling things for a trial? And she said, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:23.120 definitely still hurting and very much in the process of 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:29.840 like fully being engulfed in what it is to go through. 0:07:29.640 --> 0:07:30.200 All of it. 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.280 And that hurt me because I just wanted to believe 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.720 that this was like something that she was so healed 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.720 from or that she was you know. But she said 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:41.240 it's almost cathartic because it feels like at the end 0:07:41.320 --> 0:07:45.120 of watching her each day that she's facing this person 0:07:45.320 --> 0:07:47.840 and she's able to finally get this off of her chest. 0:07:47.880 --> 0:07:50.240 And so she thinks that she told me she thought 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.760 this would likely be something that's going to be healing, 0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:55.880 which then you know all of the band. I talk 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.240 to everyone from dubband, the band that you like. Babs 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:01.640 and I are sisters. Oh we're we're on FaceTime. I'm 0:08:01.640 --> 0:08:03.200 going to try to She'll come on the show and 0:08:03.240 --> 0:08:06.680 talk with us as well. Our unique perspectives are very interesting. 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.800 But you know, I talk to everybody most of the nights, 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:13.239 and it's triggering everybody in different ways. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:14.240 It is a whirlwind. 0:08:14.560 --> 0:08:16.440 We go up, we go down. Some days we have 0:08:16.520 --> 0:08:19.320 sympathy for Puffs. Some days we feel that he's an 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:21.960 absolute monster, and we say all kinds of things that 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:26.080 I cannot repeat, Like it's very very uncomfortable. 0:08:26.320 --> 0:08:29.880 Tell me about the sympathetic days to Diddy. What does 0:08:29.920 --> 0:08:32.720 that look like when you have a moment of feeling 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:33.439 bad for the guy? 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:41.000 Well, because it wasn't all bad, but I don't know 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:49.679 that any of the good was real. So I hearing 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:53.319 how graphic. I mean these are things that were you know, known, 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:58.240 but just hearing very specific details. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.760 How known were that? Though I'm curious. 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.760 Bad Boy was like, like you know how they say prison, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.520 being in prison, that's like the most it's the bigger. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.880 It's you get more gossip in prison than you do 0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:12.640 in West Hollywood. Like they talk in prison, bad boy. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:16.400 Everybody was bumping the gums. They were all talking everything 0:09:16.440 --> 0:09:18.760 that they knew that was going on. And you'll hear 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:21.120 testimony in a lot of the civil cases they talk 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:24.520 about videos just being passed around of things that were 0:09:24.559 --> 0:09:28.240 going on. I mean, everybody was always discussing things. 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.000 How did this not get out sooner? Then? 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.920 I think, I think it's a number of things. 0:09:36.000 --> 0:09:38.160 I mean, you know, Babs and I were I was 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.320 talking with my lawyer and I was saying, you know, 0:09:40.400 --> 0:09:43.600 it's frustrating for me to see so many people depending 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:45.600 on the day. Right the first day, Cassie was being 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:49.520 attacked in a good amount of the discussion forums. The 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:53.120 second day, people were like, Okay, yeah, you know it's there. 0:09:53.160 --> 0:09:55.560 They're building a case, so it takes time to present 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:58.360 and they're establishing something much bigger than just this story. 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.200 Right now, they have to establish an entire organization of crime. 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:05.520 We're starting with just an inside perspective of one person 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:11.160 who is being allegedly trafficked. Looks like right, so it's 0:10:11.240 --> 0:10:16.720 like it's like, sorry, what was her exactly? 0:10:16.760 --> 0:10:19.360 Well, my question was how with so many people who 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:21.640 knew what was going on, that there was video, there 0:10:21.679 --> 0:10:22.320 was evidence. 0:10:22.440 --> 0:10:25.640 So I think that. 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.320 In the very beginning, you know, Babs and I were 0:10:29.360 --> 0:10:33.680 speaking about this last night, there was coercion happening in 0:10:33.720 --> 0:10:35.400 front of the world. I was. 0:10:35.520 --> 0:10:38.440 She sent me a clip of this famous. 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:40.640 Artist right now whose mom had auditioned from making the band, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.839 and she was like, yo, he just went on tiny desk. 0:10:43.160 --> 0:10:44.880 He killed it, and he brought his mom on it. 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:47.200 He sings in his song how she auditioned from making 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:48.960 the band and didn't get it and came home crying 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:51.080 and thought her career was over. And now she was 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.280 sitting next to him on tiny desk, singing, and she 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.520 was like, look at this, and I recognized her and 0:10:56.840 --> 0:10:59.440 that they kind of flashed back to the episode where 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.360 did he make us run Central Park until a few 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:05.319 people dropped They would be cut and then we would 0:11:05.320 --> 0:11:07.600 move on to the next task for the day, run 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:11.520 Central Park while he is in a golf cart with 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.760 a megaphone, screaming, doing all the doing the most, while 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.600 the girl next to me's knees are buckling, people are crying. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.560 We were out there for a good while we were 0:11:20.640 --> 0:11:23.800 running until people fell. That was the mission at hand. 0:11:24.520 --> 0:11:28.440 So I was saying that, like, why would anybody do that? 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.160 And it's because this very powerful person was offering us 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.079 the opportunity of a lifetime. And the command was run 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:42.800 Central Park until people drop. Once the number has reached conclusion, 0:11:43.000 --> 0:11:45.280 we will move on to the next thing. And then 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.680 when I said that to Bab, she said, let me 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:51.319 give you my perspective. I'm a black woman from Brooklyn 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:53.600 and I was in a group with all black men 0:11:54.080 --> 0:11:57.840 and a mixed woman another the singer Sarah, And he said, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:11:59.880 we were sitting in a room with him, and he 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:03.920 told all of us walk to Brooklyn and get cheesecake, 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.840 so racially, to get a room full of the most 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:11.880 talented kids that were around at that time. That you know, 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.439 there's a lot of commentary on, oh, well, Cassie was weak, 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:16.520 she wanted to be there, this, that or the other. 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.520 They're painting a lot of pictures around the image or 0:12:19.559 --> 0:12:22.959 the idea of Cassie. Well, let's look at the idea 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.280 of a bunch of people from Brooklyn that look like 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:29.520 puff and him telling them to walk to Brooklyn. People 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:33.480 developed tendonitis, people were in the hospitals that night, Babs 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.520 told me. The next day, after recovering from the hospital, 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.120 Puff comes in and says, hey, I heard you went 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.400 to the hospital. And she thought it was going to 0:12:41.440 --> 0:12:44.400 be a moment of like good job, like good way 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.679 to fight. And he was like, so are you telling 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:47.600 me you want to go home? Then? 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:48.360 Is what you're saying? 0:12:49.360 --> 0:12:52.640 Like she now in this day and age, and she 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.560 should come on the show and say it herself, but 0:12:55.000 --> 0:12:59.360 she has so many regrets for just culturally what that 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.840 looks like, racially, what that establishes in front of the world, 0:13:03.280 --> 0:13:06.280 and that that long ago Puff could get his own 0:13:06.760 --> 0:13:10.040 people to walk to Brooklyn and get him cheesecake. It's 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:12.880 not even a Cassie's mixed, or people and Dannity Caine 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.280 were mixed or whatever. It's literally even in an all 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:20.960 races and everything, all genders across the board, everybody was 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.640 so encompassed by this all encompassing human that none of 0:13:25.720 --> 0:13:29.400 us batted an eye when we were given commands. And 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:34.120 it's basically coercion. You know, coersion is not just black 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:35.600 and white how everyone's looking at it. 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:39.400 Where were you on that scale during your experience in 0:13:39.440 --> 0:13:41.640 the band? Once you had made the band. I mean, 0:13:41.760 --> 0:13:45.480 what was your how would you describe your experience with him? Said? 0:13:45.480 --> 0:13:48.280 It wasn't all bad, but there was and you don't 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:49.400 know if the good would you say, I don't know 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:50.200 if the good was real. 0:13:50.440 --> 0:13:52.679 Yeah, I don't know if the good was real. 0:13:55.600 --> 0:14:00.400 I mean I had moments that were I felt I felt 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:05.720 like I mean, I've said this before, like, if you 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.360 could ask me to revisit anyone, and I've been a 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:11.280 lot of around of a lot of very powerful people, 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.640 and not just around them, but dated them and have 0:14:13.920 --> 0:14:17.160 lived with them and so on and so forth, if 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.720 there was anyone that I could revisit being proud of 0:14:19.800 --> 0:14:22.600 me and the feeling that they gave me when they 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:24.680 thought I did something. 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:26.120 Great, it would be puff. 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:31.720 That feeling was unlike any other. Everything has been pretty underwhelming. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.600 And I went on to be almost the last female 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:37.280 standing and almost win Celebrity Apprentice in front of Trump 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:39.360 for two three months straight we filmed that show Who's 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:41.800 Our President? Now, I've been around a lot of very 0:14:41.840 --> 0:14:42.640 powerful people. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:45.040 He knew how to make you feel really good, but 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:47.440 then he also knew there is the opposite. 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:51.240 The charisma, the charm, the energy as a man, it's 0:14:51.280 --> 0:14:53.120 what Cassie was saying on the stand. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:57.400 It was so, it was just so. It felt so. 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:00.280 Good when you had his attention and he approved you. 0:15:00.400 --> 0:15:02.640 Even for me, I looked more for the approval that 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.360 I was doing something right, because we were always doing 0:15:05.400 --> 0:15:08.760 something wrong and we were always needing to fix and 0:15:08.800 --> 0:15:11.040 it wasn't said to us in the nicest of ways. 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:13.320 You know, when people recall making the band, they now 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:16.120 look at it with a different perspective now that some 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:19.240 movements have occurred and people realize how you should treat 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:23.160 people in a workplace. But the recalling of it is like, Wow, 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.560 he really was doing a lot of wild shit to 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:26.120 those people. 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.680 Some of the things you talk about might be sounding 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:41.880 like a bad dude or you a bad boss. But 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.880 in your experience with him, did anything he ever did 0:15:44.880 --> 0:15:49.000 with you cross a line into possibly being criminal. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.360 Like federally criminal either, I mean, whatever it may be, 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.840 was your experience with him something not just you need 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:58.560 to go talk to a therapist about, but maybe a 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:00.320 police officer about. 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:04.960 I don't know what certain things fall under legally and 0:16:04.960 --> 0:16:08.880 what's federal and what state, but to give you a 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:13.520 broad answer, I went through things there. 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:15.680 What's the worst thing he said to you or did 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:15.920 to you. 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.400 I can't speak about that because I'm contracted in a 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.120 situation that has exclusivity over the story. 0:16:26.240 --> 0:16:28.280 Oh so the story that you speak of now will 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:29.520 be told the. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.240 Cold I'd like to investigate and I would like to 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:40.160 see justice if for whatever is the truth. 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.800 When can folks expect that possibly to come? 0:16:43.840 --> 0:16:46.520 Well, right now, this is the moment. We're in this 0:16:46.520 --> 0:16:50.560 federal trial. And you know, when you speak with Homeland Security, 0:16:51.360 --> 0:16:55.040 your attorney will tell you you're not victims cannot speak 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:58.040 to other victims. So if someone, let's say, we're to 0:16:58.120 --> 0:17:01.920 have allegedly seen something happen to me, I wouldn't be 0:17:01.920 --> 0:17:04.520 able to ask them. So if there was something that 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:11.959 happened to me where it appeared that I was not awake, 0:17:13.440 --> 0:17:18.400 if my if I looked out of it, that would 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.879 be scary, because of course then I wouldn't recollect it. 0:17:21.480 --> 0:17:25.240 I also always season all of that with the other side, 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:30.040 which is people also could be lying. You have to 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:32.920 season everything with both sides, in my opinion, in order 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:37.280 to be a fair and biased person. It's emotionally triggering. 0:17:37.600 --> 0:17:39.520 But if you don't have a memory of it, then 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:41.720 you have questions basically, well, so. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.680 Are you saying that there was drug use involved in in. 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.879 I don't know experience, I don't know. 0:17:47.800 --> 0:17:50.040 Well am I hearing that you are still trying to 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:52.240 piece together exactly what happened? 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:53.159 Yes, I have. 0:17:53.359 --> 0:17:59.560 I cannot further investigate anything with anyone that's a victim 0:17:59.800 --> 0:18:02.520 that was at that time. You know, you can't speak 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.040 to other victims, you know, when you're when if somebody 0:18:06.040 --> 0:18:08.399 has spoken with Homeland Security and you have, if you 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.320 both were asked to testify, it would immediately shut down 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.399 both of your testimonies if you guys had spoken and 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:17.639 there was any proof of engagement. And so I follow 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.159 the laws, So I did not. 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:21.320 I don't. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:24.879 I haven't been able to confirm all these very very 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:25.640 big details. 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:26.639 Do you hope to do that. 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:35.679 When the time is right? You know, it's very descriptive, well, you. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.840 Know, aside from legality or legal or otherwise. 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:40.920 And by the way, there are things I do remember 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.560 as well, but I'm also exclusive. I have an exclusivity 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.000 on those things as well. 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.160 And those will come. We'll find out about this stuff. 0:18:48.160 --> 0:18:51.360 We're just not going to find out now. But do 0:18:51.400 --> 0:18:56.600 you consider yourself legally or otherwise a victim of Shan Combs. 0:18:58.400 --> 0:18:59.720 Yeah, I think all of us were. 0:19:00.080 --> 0:19:03.280 I mean, we have platinum albums and weren't paid for them, 0:19:03.320 --> 0:19:05.679 and we wrote on them. It's not even like a 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.320 you didn't You just were taking other people's songs like 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:11.119 we wrote. 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.160 We asked to write as much as we could. 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.320 But yeah, when you work for somebody for that long 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:21.280 and you have platinum albums and you don't see a diamond, 0:19:21.280 --> 0:19:23.240 this isn't in a streaming era. This is when you 0:19:23.280 --> 0:19:25.760 had to pay seventeen ninety nine for the exclusive or 0:19:25.800 --> 0:19:29.080 fourteen ninety nine when you walked into the store, aside 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:33.840 from all the other work, like not being able to 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:38.879 see paychecks for that, which is interesting because since he 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:43.879 has been put in jail, payments are coming. 0:19:45.040 --> 0:19:47.240 Really, Yeah, you're getting paid for the first time. 0:19:47.760 --> 0:19:50.159 Yeah, I don't know what it's for. I don't know. 0:19:51.560 --> 0:19:53.840 I've not significant payments. 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:58.120 They're not as small as the gag order. 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.399 In my opinion, I call it a gag order because 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:04.760 it came prior to Cassie dropping and I smelled something 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.640 by the third line that did not feel correct. I'm 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:11.520 aware of the behavior, and I did feel in my 0:20:11.680 --> 0:20:14.240 soul that there was something up because. 0:20:13.920 --> 0:20:15.439 There were strings attached to that money. 0:20:16.040 --> 0:20:19.240 Well, he remember the big wave of media that covered 0:20:19.560 --> 0:20:23.040 Ditty's giving all of his artists they're publishing back. It 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.399 was a huge news story. I got to see every 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.639 single big journalists, same ones that said I was on trial. 0:20:28.760 --> 0:20:30.439 Those types of people, you know, the ones that are 0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:31.280 truly informed. 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:33.000 Well, I don't think we call them journalists. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:34.160 Well they called them. 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.920 They consider themselves journalists, and you'd be surprised how many 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:39.679 people consider them real truth tellers. 0:20:39.680 --> 0:20:41.800 He's had a little experience with it. Yes, I know 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.200 you have you get it then it is shocking. Yes, 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.840 when you you've been very public in your support for 0:20:48.960 --> 0:20:52.680 Cassie and very public in how you feel about Diddy 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.800 and how he treated everyone. 0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:57.160 And good and bad, good and bad. 0:20:57.760 --> 0:21:01.640