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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents Aubrey Oday covering the Ditty Trial.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to Amy and TJ presents Aubrey O Day.

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Speaker 1: I'm TJ. Holmes alongside my partner Amy Robot and Roams.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people know and love Aubrey Oday. They

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Speaker 1: know the name and they love the music. They know

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Speaker 1: her as a platinum selling, chart topping artist.

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Speaker 2: That's right. She was a member of the hit making

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Speaker 2: all female group Danity Kane, but a lot of people

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Speaker 2: in recent years and months have become more familiar with

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Speaker 2: her as an outspoken, very public supporter of Cassie Ventura,

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Speaker 2: the ex girlfriend of Sean Dittycomb's. Aubrey has been outspoken

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Speaker 2: and has frankly minced no words in her thoughts about Diddy.

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Speaker 1: And of course, many people have many thoughts about Diddy,

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Speaker 1: but Aubrey is uniquely positioned to speak about him because

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Speaker 1: she got to see him and know him in a

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Speaker 1: way that most of the world never did. He was

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Speaker 1: her boss, her mentor you could argue he was the

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Speaker 1: one who gave her that shot at stardom, putting her

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Speaker 1: in Danity Kane as a member of that band and

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Speaker 1: making the band that was I did watch that show

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Speaker 1: until several seasons, and I still have some of the

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Speaker 1: music from that first group be put together on some

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Speaker 1: of my playlists the van. There are some that I

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Speaker 1: still love, but it's in that capacity. Aubrey O'Day is

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Speaker 1: sitting next to us here in New York City, and

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Speaker 1: let's start. Aubrey, you are as we sit here right

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Speaker 1: up the street from where the trial is taking place.

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Speaker 3: I didn't even realize that.

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Speaker 1: So some people saw that you were going to be

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Speaker 1: in New York and they immediately started jumping to conclusions.

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Speaker 1: So can you clear that up? First of all, are

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Speaker 1: you here to testify from the Ditty trial?

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Speaker 4: No, I'm not here to testify for the Didty trial

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Speaker 4: that I know of.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, what was that ever something that came

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Speaker 1: up or consideration. Did you ever get a call any lawyer?

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Speaker 1: Did you even stand by and maybe even think you

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Speaker 1: might be called?

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Speaker 4: I was contacted by Homeland Security, and I did. I

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Speaker 4: did have a meeting with Homeland Security.

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Speaker 2: And at what at any point did they tell you

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Speaker 2: we're considering you to testify, We're considering your evidence that

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Speaker 2: you've given us in the trial.

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Speaker 3: They tell you to.

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Speaker 4: Keep discretion with your meeting with us obviously because the

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Speaker 4: trial has taken place, and you know, aside from being

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Speaker 4: on a poster board the first day of trial and

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Speaker 4: jurors naming me and that was a little uncomfortable because

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Speaker 4: I didn't understand that piece. You know, the times we've

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Speaker 4: talked in between since then, I feel it's a comfortable

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Speaker 4: place where I can say that now.

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Speaker 1: And folks, this is how it works. And I am

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Speaker 1: sure that. I mean, you posted a picture on like

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Speaker 1: your Instagram story of you on the plane coming to

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Speaker 1: New York and it wasn't much longer than that that

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Speaker 1: some some tabloid writes that sources say she's coming to testify.

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Speaker 1: Now it's just everywhere. What has that been like? Just

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Speaker 1: after that article came out? What kind of happened? Phone

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Speaker 1: started ringing, tech started coming, So what was that like?

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Speaker 1: And that was just the past twenty four hours.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I got a message from actually our producer

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Speaker 4: here and she said, do you have something you need

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Speaker 4: to tell me, and then sent me the article And

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Speaker 4: then I was like immediately in shock because all I

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Speaker 4: did was read the headline, and the headline was like,

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Speaker 4: she's testifying today, we know what she feels about it

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Speaker 4: like click this to see her feelings on it, and

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Speaker 4: I was like thinking to myself, like, what in the world.

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Speaker 4: I hadn't even had time because as that happened, about

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Speaker 4: six hundred text messages fled in six hundred calls, and

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's people here that I'm picking

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Speaker 4: up or not. So I pick up a call it's TMZ,

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Speaker 4: it's this.

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Speaker 3: One that one.

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Speaker 4: I hang up and then when they know that you

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Speaker 4: picked up, they'll call back fifteen times. Then you have

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Speaker 4: to run to your phone get their numbers, block them.

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Speaker 4: So I did that about fifteen to twenty times. Like

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Speaker 4: it took all morning to just handle that. Beyond that,

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Speaker 4: beyond the hassles of it, it's a safety situation. And

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Speaker 4: like you said, I posted on my Instagram that I

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Speaker 4: not here testifying, because obviously, if anyone knows at all

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Speaker 4: me explain to you, this is a very uh you

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Speaker 4: could potentially be in danger. And it's not something that

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Speaker 4: about You definitely don't speak about it. I have been outspoken.

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Speaker 4: You definitely don't travel openly and let everyone know where

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Speaker 3: So I thought I was like, yeah.

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Speaker 1: In danger from whom?

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Speaker 3: I mean? New York is Diddy City. You know.

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Speaker 4: The hotel I'm staying at is the hotel that he's

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Speaker 4: filmed many things in. And everybody remembers me from when

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Speaker 4: I was a kid. The same guys that were working

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Speaker 4: I didn't even need to hand in I He said,

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Speaker 4: you've aged so well since you were a kid. I

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Speaker 4: don't remember any of these people, but they all remember me.

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Speaker 4: They want to get into their feelings on it. They

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Speaker 4: want to ask me questions about Cassie and Puff, and

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Speaker 4: they're telling me they miss certain people that I know

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Speaker 4: are part of some very heavy allegations, even in regards

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Speaker 4: to me, and they're talking about missing them. It's just triggering,

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Speaker 4: so triggering, And of course nobody knew that when I

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Speaker 4: staple hotel of the man. And I don't like being difficult,

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Speaker 4: but that's what I've been experienced, So I don't even know.

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Speaker 4: I didn't know if a hotel leak did if I

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Speaker 4: didn't know how it happened in all, honestly, wow.

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Speaker 2: And so I've got a couple questions. First of all,

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Speaker 2: how do you feel being back here in New York?

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Speaker 2: You just described that you were inadvertently put in a

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Speaker 2: hotel that was very familiar to you, with your days

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Speaker 2: with Ditty, and just being here and knowing he is

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Speaker 4: So, when I got here, I felt that exhilt feeling

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Speaker 4: the city. And then after you know, I'm constantly reviewing testimony,

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Speaker 4: I'm constantly seeing people that I was there and knew

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Speaker 4: at all of those times I when I was there,

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Speaker 4: is very difficult thing to do. The bravery is unmeasurable

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Speaker 4: right now, especially eight months eight and a half months pregnant,

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Speaker 4: and it's triggered. And then also I kind of feel,

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Speaker 4: does she feel like she's still hurting, like you are

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Speaker 4: you seeing someone that's hurting, Are you seeing someone that's

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Speaker 4: healed and just recalling things for a trial? And she said,

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Speaker 3: All of it.

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Speaker 4: And that hurt me because I just wanted to believe

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Speaker 4: that this was like something that she was so healed

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Speaker 4: it's almost cathartic because it feels like at the end

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Speaker 4: of watching her each day that she's facing this person

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Speaker 4: and she's able to finally get this off of her chest.

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Speaker 4: And so she thinks that she told me she thought

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Speaker 4: this would likely be something that's going to be healing,

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Speaker 4: which then you know all of the band. I talk

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Speaker 4: to everyone from dubband, the band that you like. Babs

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Speaker 4: and I are sisters. Oh we're we're on FaceTime. I'm

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Speaker 4: going to try to She'll come on the show and

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Speaker 4: talk with us as well. Our unique perspectives are very interesting.

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Speaker 4: But you know, I talk to everybody most of the nights,

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Speaker 4: and it's triggering everybody in different ways.

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Speaker 3: It is a whirlwind.

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Speaker 4: We go up, we go down. Some days we have

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Speaker 4: sympathy for Puffs. Some days we feel that he's an

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Speaker 4: absolute monster, and we say all kinds of things that

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Speaker 4: I cannot repeat, Like it's very very uncomfortable.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about the sympathetic days to Diddy. What does

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Speaker 1: that look like when you have a moment of feeling

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Speaker 4: Well, because it wasn't all bad, but I don't know

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Speaker 4: that any of the good was real. So I hearing

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Speaker 2: How known were that? Though I'm curious.

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Speaker 4: Bad Boy was like, like you know how they say prison,

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Speaker 4: It's you get more gossip in prison than you do

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Speaker 4: in West Hollywood. Like they talk in prison, bad boy.

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Speaker 4: Everybody was bumping the gums. They were all talking everything

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Speaker 2: How did this not get out sooner? Then?

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Speaker 3: I think, I think it's a number of things.

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Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Babs and I were I was

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Speaker 4: it's frustrating for me to see so many people depending

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Speaker 4: on the day. Right the first day, Cassie was being

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Speaker 4: second day, people were like, Okay, yeah, you know it's there.

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Speaker 4: They're building a case, so it takes time to present

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Speaker 4: and they're establishing something much bigger than just this story.

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Speaker 4: Right now, they have to establish an entire organization of crime.

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Speaker 4: We're starting with just an inside perspective of one person

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Speaker 4: who is being allegedly trafficked. Looks like right, so it's

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Speaker 4: like it's like, sorry, what was her exactly?

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Speaker 2: Well, my question was how with so many people who

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Speaker 3: So I think that.

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Speaker 4: In the very beginning, you know, Babs and I were

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Speaker 4: speaking about this last night, there was coercion happening in

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Speaker 4: front of the world. I was.

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Speaker 3: She sent me a clip of this famous.

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Speaker 4: and she was like, yo, he just went on tiny desk.

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Speaker 3: He killed it, and he brought his mom on it.

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Speaker 4: He sings in his song how she auditioned from making

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Speaker 4: and thought her career was over. And now she was

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Speaker 4: That feeling was unlike any other. Everything has been pretty underwhelming.

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Speaker 2: He knew how to make you feel really good, but

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Speaker 4: The charisma, the charm, the energy as a man, it's

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Speaker 3: It was so, it was just so. It felt so.

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Speaker 1: Some of the things you talk about might be sounding

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Speaker 5: Like federally criminal either, I mean, whatever it may be,

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Speaker 4: I don't know what certain things fall under legally and

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Speaker 2: What's the worst thing he said to you or did

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Speaker 4: I can't speak about that because I'm contracted in a

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Speaker 1: Oh so the story that you speak of now will

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Speaker 4: Cold I'd like to investigate and I would like to

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Speaker 1: When can folks expect that possibly to come?

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Speaker 4: Well, right now, this is the moment. We're in this

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Speaker 4: But if you don't have a memory of it, then

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Speaker 2: Are you saying that there was drug use involved in in.

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Speaker 3: I don't know experience, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Well am I hearing that you are still trying to

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 4: I cannot further investigate anything with anyone that's a victim

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Speaker 4: both were asked to testify, it would immediately shut down

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Speaker 4: both of your testimonies if you guys had spoken and

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 4: I haven't been able to confirm all these very very

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Speaker 2: Do you hope to do that.

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Speaker 4: When the time is right? You know, it's very descriptive, well, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, aside from legality or legal or otherwise.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, there are things I do remember

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Speaker 1: And those will come. We'll find out about this stuff.

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Speaker 1: We're just not going to find out now. But do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think all of us were.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we have platinum albums and weren't paid for them,

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Speaker 4: But yeah, when you work for somebody for that long

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Speaker 2: Really, Yeah, you're getting paid for the first time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know what it's for. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I've not significant payments.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion, I call it a gag order because

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Speaker 2: There were strings attached to that money.

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Speaker 4: Well, he remember the big wave of media that covered

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think we call them journalists.

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Speaker 3: Well they called them.

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Speaker 4: They consider themselves journalists, and you'd be surprised how many

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Speaker 2: He's had a little experience with it. Yes, I know

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Speaker 2: when you you've been very public in your support for

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Speaker 3: And good and bad, good and bad.

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Speaker 2: But when you see this all be now played out,

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Speaker 4: So part of this thing that has occurred has like

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Speaker 4: They were that traumatic, they were that hurtful, they were

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Speaker 1: I'm not putting this on you, but I have heard

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Speaker 1: all of this is out there, have had Maybe.

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00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,800
Speaker 4: I wasn't the right person to deliver the message. Maybe

441
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 4: they didn't want to hear it from me.

442
00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 3: I don't know. Somebody said that to me.

443
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 4: Though the other day in a DM like maybe they

444
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 4: just didn't want to hear it from you.

445
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 3: But you have said it. There's a lot of layers

446
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 3: to this.

447
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:27,440
Speaker 4: I mean, this case essentially has like cut open all

448
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 4: the delusions of power, of race, of security, of love,

449
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 4: of celebrity. This is a very awakening time for some

450
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 4: and for others this is a very like this is

451
00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 4: a time where their truths and everything they know to

452
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,400
Speaker 4: have been true or being challenged. This is fully exposing

453
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 4: the underbelly of what people have painted as this great

454
00:23:56,600 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 4: celebrity life and all these perks that everyone and has

455
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:02,960
Speaker 4: seen throughout all these years. There are interviewers that are

456
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,919
Speaker 4: posting interviews with Cassie saying wow, timing wise, now that

457
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,479
Speaker 4: I'm looking at all of the trans scripts from the trial,

458
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 4: this was a week after he had done that thing

459
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 4: in the hotel, and she was sitting in front of

460
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,880
Speaker 4: me as sweet as could be. And I would never

461
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:18,160
Speaker 4: have been able to tell you any of that happened.

462
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:20,880
Speaker 3: It's just this.

463
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 4: I mean, we had media training back then, but nowadays,

464
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 4: I guess people are calling this new age more real.

465
00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 4: What I see happening is not more real. It's just oversharing.

466
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:35,719
Speaker 3: I could do.

467
00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 4: I could learn less about most of these people and

468
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: be fine with it. But in this new era, it's

469
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 4: give them all of your life, show them your family,

470
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,160
Speaker 4: show them your dog. Unless we have access to you constantly,

471
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: unless you are keeping up with the kids that are posting,

472
00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:52,400
Speaker 4: you fall behind, You fall off. And for a lot

473
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 4: of us that have been in this industry for decades,

474
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: when we first when I first came into the industry,

475
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 4: I was coached for a week by media trainers that

476
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 4: gave me the answers to any question that was at

477
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 4: all going to be something that would disturb ourselves. And

478
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 4: you know, for me, they had to really work on

479
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: me because I.

480
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,679
Speaker 2: Aubrey. With all that you know and with all of

481
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 2: the experience you've had with Seawan Combs, do you think

482
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:32,359
Speaker 2: he belongs behind bars? Do you think he belongs in

483
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,440
Speaker 2: prison for the rest of his life?

484
00:25:36,520 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: I think I'm going to continue to ask myself that

485
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:45,199
Speaker 4: question for the remainder of this trial without coming up

486
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 4: with a conclusion I have tried to remove. I wasn't

487
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 4: even sure that I wanted to do this. That's why

488
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 4: we're a bit late to the jump on this. And

489
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 4: I really appreciate you guys, you know, showing respect for

490
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,920
Speaker 4: me in that time, because.

491
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 3: This is a very raw moment.

492
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 4: And everybody's kind of seeing now what we were really

493
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 4: living in and how bad it really got for some people.

494
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,240
Speaker 4: I mean, I have a bandmate that has a lawsuit

495
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 4: and is potentially taking the stand today or tomorrow.

496
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,320
Speaker 3: This was directly during the era that I was there.

497
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 4: This specific case is taking place with all the players

498
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: that I know and the people that I was around,

499
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 4: and I know the levels and extent to which most

500
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,639
Speaker 4: of my band members experienced harassment or assault or whatever.

501
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 2: Well, to that point, is he a threat to people

502
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 2: if he is out of prison, if he is out

503
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: and about and able to live his life with all

504
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 2: of his money? Is he a threat to you or

505
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 2: to any of your friends or any of your former bandmates?

506
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: Do you think he would be a threat specifically?

507
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,760
Speaker 4: I can give you a few examples of why I

508
00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 4: would lean toward yes. On that he wanted Alex Fine

509
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 4: taken out of court. His lawyers fought very hard to

510
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 4: make sure that Alex was removed. They brought up text

511
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 4: messages that Alex sent him, basically saying like I'm gonna

512
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 4: fuck you up, etc. Now, listen, if your wife came

513
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:16,399
Speaker 4: home and told you that that had been happening to her,

514
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 4: you'd probably send I'm going to fuck you up to

515
00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 4: some people as well.

516
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: And Alex is Cassie's husband, just to point out to folks.

517
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 4: So it's not anything alarming. This was years ago that

518
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 4: that occurred. But to bring it up as a reason

519
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: that Puff has been his life has been threatened by

520
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 4: this man. As if Puff is scared, he brought guns

521
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 4: to a sugar night dinner. I don't know how scared

522
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: he necessarily would feel over Alex Fine, but to propose

523
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 4: that his life was endangered and threatened by this man

524
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 4: and he can't be in the room, that shows me

525
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 4: that Diddy is still up to his bullshit. The fact

526
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,639
Speaker 4: that the kids are being are marching up to that

527
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 4: court praying over everything, and walking in with a bunch

528
00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 4: of women also that are encouraging it. I don't know

529
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 4: any father that would want their children to sit through

530
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 4: testimony about how much their daddy liked to watch people lubricated,

531
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: fucking getting pissed on and urinated in their mouths, having

532
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: his girlfriend come in the other room and rub their

533
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:24,160
Speaker 4: come all over his nipples. Is that anything you would

534
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 4: want your child to learn about?

535
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: Either of you?

536
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: Not saying y'all do that, but whatever the freakiest night

537
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 4: you guys have had, would you want your children to

538
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 4: know about it? It's concerning to me that the optics

539
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 4: of them being there and supporting father are obviously a

540
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 4: very strong play for the defense.

541
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 3: The jury is seeing them in there.

542
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: What kids would sit there through this if they didn't

543
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,719
Speaker 4: love their daddy and this was not true. It's an

544
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 4: optics game, likely, but the optics on that as a father,

545
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 4: you're a father first, and as a father, I just

546
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 4: wouldn't want my two girls that are only a year

547
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 4: younger than Cassie was when he started dating her nineteen

548
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 4: to thirty seven. I believe the girls are around eighteen.

549
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 4: I would not ever want my child to hear anything

550
00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 4: like that. And the fact that it's the familiers are

551
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: making these big gestures, and there's his mom bringing them in.

552
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 4: Kumora brought them in at one point. There's women that

553
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 4: are potentially encouraging their presence in the courtroom every day,

554
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 4: and maybe that is what makes them feel like that's

555
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 4: necessary or whatever, but I don't think they probably like

556
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 4: to hear that either. It's telling to me it means

557
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,680
Speaker 4: that Daddy's being selfish and he needs In my opinion,

558
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 4: it feels like Daddy needs you in court because Daddy

559
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 4: needs all the optics to look in his favor and

560
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: I don't really care what you have to sit through,

561
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: and that to me is just showing that same narcissism

562
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 4: and ego and may I dare I say coercion that

563
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: we're discussing about this man. You know, his needs come first,

564
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 4: what he wants comes first. Cassie has said that many

565
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: times on the stand.

566
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: When was the last time you talked to him? What

567
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: was the last interaction you all had? Do you remember

568
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: how long ago it was and what was it?

569
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 2: God?

570
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 3: I think it might have been.

571
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 4: In Las Vegas when I had a residency there in

572
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 4: a stage show, and I think he was like flirty

573
00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,760
Speaker 4: and fun and I maybe made a comment like still

574
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 4: seeing if you can make it without me?

575
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 3: Kid?

576
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,120
Speaker 4: I remember going on Breakfast Club after I got my

577
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:54,479
Speaker 4: own television show named All about Aubrey and it was

578
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 4: on buses and elevators. I remember going on Breakfast Club

579
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 4: and being like, did I make get now without you?

580
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 5: Did?

581
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 2: He?

582
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 4: And I think that actually played it for him from

583
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 4: what I hear, But but yeah, I mean it felt

584
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 4: good to prove that, yes, I can make it without you.

585
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 1: It was on bad terms and at that point when

586
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: you saw him, However, those years and years ago you

587
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: kind of were pleasant. I'm saying as we sit here now,

588
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: the feeling you have about him after all this has

589
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: come out, did you part having those same feelings about him?

590
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: Because you knew so many things that the public didn't.

591
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: Know, did I part? What do you mean?

592
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 1: Wait when you all kind of went your side way,

593
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: you know? Did you when you left the band when

594
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 1: you saw him that last time in Vegas? Did you

595
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: feel as strongly as negatively about him then as you

596
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: do now because you had a lot of that information

597
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: just wasn't public yet, or did you learn a lot

598
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: that also intensified your feelings?

599
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 4: So I knew a lot of things I don't know

600
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: that the time I understood them to be illegal, and

601
00:31:55,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 4: I don't at the time think I understood well, actually,

602
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 4: I mean gon things like weapons and whatever I knew

603
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 4: that was illegal. I mean, listen, when we got off

604
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 4: the floor at Daddy's house, it was just a big

605
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: white smoke. I mean during studio sessions, we used to

606
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 4: run to the emergency stairs so we could get some breasts.

607
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 4: We wouldn't get too high. Like it was a cloud

608
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:17,120
Speaker 4: of white smoke.

609
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't particularly smoke. Girl. Yeah, the whole floor.

610
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: You'd come out reeking like you have never had a

611
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,480
Speaker 4: day in your life without weed.

612
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 3: Like it was. It was very intense.

613
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 4: So for me, did I see a lot of very

614
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:33,680
Speaker 4: intense things that weren't okay?

615
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 3: Yes?

616
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 4: Did I understand that anything was like this criminal enterprise.

617
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 4: I don't know at that age that I would have

618
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 4: put all of that together.

619
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 3: And I'm a sharp girl.

620
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 4: I did see that everybody was at his beck and call.

621
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 4: I did see that when he wanted something, he got it.

622
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 4: I did see everybody that was working for us running

623
00:32:57,200 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 4: around and doing his bidding. I did see that when

624
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: we were told to do something, we were expected to

625
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 4: do it.

626
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 2: Were you ever afraid of him?

627
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 3: That one's a little harder for me.

628
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 4: That's a claim that my band member has made in

629
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: her lawsuit that she participated in things out of fear.

630
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 3: I believe is what I read. I was never afraid.

631
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: Of him to the point where I ever would have

632
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 4: done something sexual willingly. I would have had to have

633
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 4: been drugged if anything happened with me.

634
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: And it did, to be clear, huh, and it never did?

635
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: To be clear?

636
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 3: What never did?

637
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: That never happened between you and Sean Colmes. There wasn't

638
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: ever a physical relationship or he never.

639
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 4: Never willingly came on to me physically. That's not what

640
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: I'm saying. What I'm saying is there was never consensual

641
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: sex ever.

642
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 2: Is that what you're investigating?

643
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 3: I can't get into it.

644
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: But wow, that's you sit here all these years ago

645
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: and to think somebody's trying to figure out what to them. Yeah,

646
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 1: because of the environment.

647
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 4: That's kind of it's my own little personal health. It's

648
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 4: been like that since it started.

649
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: That's that we've been seeing testimony and reading testimony and

650
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 1: all these things. But that's it.

651
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 4: I watch it all like I'm I'm looking at it

652
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 4: like this is what I have to do. I have

653
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 4: to pull myself out of feeling like I want to

654
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 4: understand the vindication of what I have been told was

655
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 4: the truth, but I always have to temper it with

656
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: maybe it wasn't.

657
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 3: Maybe I was utilized.

658
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 4: But again, if I was utilized because I'm somebody that

659
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 4: has been vocal about this person for two decades then

660
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,359
Speaker 4: and they felt like adding me into the mix would

661
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: be something beneficial, then at the amount of detail that

662
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 4: I received, I would feel very I'm not the one

663
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: to do that too. I will I will absolutely pursue

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Speaker 4: that to the highest degree. You cannot do things like that,

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Speaker 4: So I'm just really not the one to fuck around

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Speaker 4: with like that.

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Speaker 3: They chose the wrong girl.

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Speaker 4: Well, Aubrey, we are fascinated again I'm not saying that

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Speaker 4: I do or don't believe anything.

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Speaker 3: I honestly just don't know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're trying to find it out.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to understand you are not.

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Speaker 1: Sure all these You don't know if you were assaulted

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Speaker 1: or not.

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't have ever thought that until what until I

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00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: received something that was certain that of what was seen.

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Speaker 1: So that explains maybe a lot of the lawsuits. A

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00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:35,960
Speaker 1: lot of these folks are maybe figuring out what happened

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00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: to them back then. And I know it.

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Speaker 4: That was a part of the that was a part

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00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,279
Speaker 4: of you know, the experience with the person that came

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00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 4: to me. It was something that they they they went,

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00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 4: they went through their own situation and they were gas

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00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: lid and made allegedly and made to feel allegedly like

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Speaker 4: that didn't occur. And then someone admitted to her that

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00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 4: it did. That this lawsuit comes out allegedly and then

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00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 4: she thinks back, oh my god, that one thing that

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00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 4: I saw maybe that was like this and like mine

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00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,239
Speaker 4: and whatever. So you know, it's like all this, it's

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00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 4: all very complicated, and yeah, not being able to get

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Speaker 4: any answers, I mean I even asked Homeland Security, like

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Speaker 4: if you guys investigate this and find this out, like

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Speaker 4: you're going to tell me, right.

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Speaker 3: They can't. They can't. They don't.

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00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 4: They're federal officers. They don't gossip, they don't share information,

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Speaker 4: they can't legally. They're very good at what they do.

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00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 4: They have a very high conviction rate, and I don't

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Speaker 4: believe they would have brought this lawsuit forward if they

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00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,280
Speaker 4: couldn't prove it. They have too high of a conviction

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00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,560
Speaker 4: rate to do something like that. And that's what everyone

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00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 4: needs to remember as this trial continues on that allow

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00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,399
Speaker 4: everything to unfold. We're just getting pieces of things right now.

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00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 4: But every day I go back and forth from trying

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00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 4: to understand, well, case some is consensual, some obviously isn't.

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Speaker 4: It's obvious that there was fear there. Anybody that gets

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00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 4: beat like that has fear. It's very traumatizing for anyone

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00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 4: that's ever been in any sort of abusive relationship.

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Speaker 3: It is bringing up.

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Speaker 4: So much, so much, and that's for me, and I

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00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 4: was there, like other people that weren't even there are

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00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 4: bringing It's so palpable anyone, And if you haven't experienced

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00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: that abuse, I'm so happy that you were had enough

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Speaker 4: information at the young of an age to not be

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00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 4: able to be manipulated, coerced, groomed, et cetera, and be

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00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 4: put into situations like that, and more power to you,

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00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: but be very gentle about assuming that everybody else understood

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00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,399
Speaker 4: those types of things the same way you did.

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Speaker 3: I think we all need to be.

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Speaker 4: Very careful of placing our experience and our understanding and

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00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 4: our know all in life as it were everyone else's.

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Speaker 4: Everyone is very different.

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Speaker 2: It's a really, really, really good point, Aubrey, And we

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Speaker 2: just want to tell our listeners we are so appreciative

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Speaker 2: of you being vulnerable and opening up and talking about

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00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: your experiences, and you're going to help walk us through

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00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 2: this trial as we see this testimony take place, because

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00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 2: you can offer perspective like no one else, and so

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00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: we appreciate you joining this conversation about what we're seeing

729
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: and helping people understand what was happening and reading between

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00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: the lines from the testimony that we hear because you

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00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: have insight like no one else. So we appreciate you,

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00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: and we're going to hear a lot more for you.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go through the trial and we're going

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Speaker 2: to talk as we see several of these women Some

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Speaker 2: of them anonymously come up and tell their stories about

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Speaker 2: their experience with Didny Yeah