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Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, Hi, Oh my god, gek.

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Speaker 2: What is your name? Sydney, Sydney? What's going on? Sydney?

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Speaker 2: How's life?

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Speaker 1: And life is good. I'm just at home, just came

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Speaker 1: back from walking the dog.

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Speaker 2: You texted me and you said you want to talk

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Speaker 2: about what it's like being a female truck driver. I

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Speaker 2: thought that was interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah for sure. So I work for a trucking

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Speaker 1: company and I basically just like move trucks around all day.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty fun.

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Speaker 2: You move. How long of a distance do you move

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Speaker 2: these trucks?

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Speaker 1: Well, I do just like like around like my city

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Speaker 1: and everything. Like you can choose to do lognissance or

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Speaker 1: like around the city, but I want to come home.

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Speaker 3: Every day, so.

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Speaker 1: I choose, like I chose like to be able to

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Speaker 1: like work during the day.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I just worked like seven to two every day and

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Speaker 1: it's pretty chill.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So it's not like a crazy like long haul trucking.

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Speaker 1: No, it's because like I wanted to do that, but

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Speaker 1: I have a kid, so I like don't want to

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Speaker 1: do that obviously. I like being home everyday.

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Speaker 2: How's your kid doing? How old are they?

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Speaker 1: She's too she just turned two.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, how's that? Gone.

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Speaker 1: Yeah's it's fun. It's good. She's crazy, but you know

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Speaker 1: it keeps me busy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, hesitated? Why did you hesitate? I'm curious?

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Speaker 1: Well because right now, like she's not with me. She

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Speaker 1: stays with her dad half the time, so unfortunately she's

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Speaker 1: not here today.

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Speaker 2: Is her dad in the same city as you?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so he lives not far from me, like ten

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Speaker 1: minutes for me. So I moved out like in October,

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Speaker 1: so be cause things aren't really great between us. But

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Speaker 1: you know, how long were you too?

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Speaker 2: How long? How long were you two together?

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Speaker 1: For like four or five years something like that?

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Speaker 2: We met in twenty twenty, Okay, it's a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's when like I started listening to you

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, when I was working at a different job,

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Speaker 1: doing like different kind of trucking.

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Speaker 2: Why did uh do? Why did things like deteriorate? Ah?

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Speaker 1: Well, he was like addicted to porn.

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Speaker 2: Ah how how addicted to porn?

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Speaker 4: Was he?

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Speaker 3: Like everybody he.

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Speaker 1: Used to spend Yeah, no, he used to send pictures

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Speaker 1: of his ass, so like random guys on like snapsdown

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Speaker 1: and like talked random people in ome goal and shit,

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Speaker 1: and like the thing is he never wanted to have

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Speaker 1: sex with me. That was like the main issue. And

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Speaker 1: I'm like not like that, Like I like having an

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Speaker 1: intimate relationship, you know, Like but he like just never communicated,

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Speaker 1: like always shut down every time I talked to him,

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Speaker 1: you know, Like so like things kind of just got worse.

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Speaker 1: So we're kind but we were stuck living together, you know,

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Speaker 1: because like we both moved out pretty young, so I

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Speaker 1: was like he was my only way out of like

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Speaker 1: really have a choice. And like obviously things are always

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Speaker 1: good at first, but then like you find out who

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Speaker 1: someone really is.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 2: This the thing about like the like porn and jack

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Speaker 2: and off addiction thing is like that is the point yeah,

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Speaker 2: when like, uh, like I I do believe that stuff

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Speaker 2: can co exist alongside a healthy relationship, but like when

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Speaker 2: it gets to a point where like you're not even

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Speaker 2: attracted to your like partner anymore, like you didn't want

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Speaker 2: to have sex with them anymore. I mean that's just

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Speaker 2: like yeahah, it makes it like a relationship.

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Speaker 1: It was not fun. Like it made me feel very unwanted,

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Speaker 1: you know, and then it made me like very anxious,

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Speaker 1: like I got, like, you know, I had like an

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Speaker 1: then like him always like seeking around and like lying

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Speaker 2: Do was there? Like what did you guys have like

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Speaker 2: a good sex life, like at the beginning of the relationship,

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Speaker 2: and then it just like from I was like always

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Speaker 2: always there.

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Speaker 1: It was always me who in this she did like

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Speaker 1: she'd have seen the red flag, but like it was

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Speaker 1: so he like never did, you know, and he respected

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Speaker 1: her obviously, you know, but like so I think he

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Speaker 1: never learned. So like we did it for the first

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Speaker 1: time together great, but then he never really like initiated,

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Speaker 1: you know. M But like, you know, we've got along

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in common, you know, So I

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, and yeah, I just never got better.

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Speaker 2: You know, how are you guys lying? It was the

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Speaker 2: lying you said.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of lying, you know, like even

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Speaker 1: to this day, always like a little white live.

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Speaker 2: How how is the co parenting going? Selright to co

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Speaker 1: Uh, it's a lot better now for sure, Like I

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Speaker 1: moved out in October. So ever since moving out, like

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Speaker 1: it's been way like ten times better. But I had

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Speaker 1: to fight to like get to mediation at to fight him,

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Speaker 1: you know, to like get child support. And even like

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Speaker 1: today he's still like late on child support, hasn't paid

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Speaker 1: me yet, you know, like he's supposed to do it

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Speaker 1: every month.

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Speaker 2: But like whatever, did you guys?

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Speaker 1: I feel like the kid is happy?

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Speaker 2: Did you guys have a lot of disagreements in terms

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Speaker 2: of like how to raise the child? No, I mean.

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Speaker 1: Not really, Like but I'm the one who's more in

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Speaker 1: I have to like tell him mmmmmmm. But like I mean,

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Speaker 1: he has gone a lot better though, because I think

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Speaker 1: because he wasn't really there for the first like year

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Speaker 2: You know, where was he Well.

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Speaker 1: Like he was just working all the time where he

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Speaker 1: if I ever asked, like if I want to go out,

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Speaker 1: he would just be like, call my mom, you know,

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Speaker 2: If he ever say that again, if you ever wanted

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Or he would tell me to call her and

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Speaker 2: Baby, does he like being a dead.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah, like you know, he's the one who

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Speaker 1: Like you know, like I found out pretty early, and

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Speaker 1: you know, like I was like for sure fifty to fifty,

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Speaker 1: like I did like keep her obviously my decision, but

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Speaker 1: like he definitely like play a part in it too,

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Speaker 1: you know. Was like I'm very happy now, Like I'm

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Was was the baby planned? Like was it

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Like like we weren't even together when I got

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Speaker 1: like not stable to begin with, I guess, but like

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Speaker 1: I have a boyfriend now, Like you know, he's living

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Speaker 1: his life. I'm living mine. I mean we definitely do

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Speaker 2: But you're living your best life now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, like like having an amazing boyfriend. We have

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Speaker 1: like a little like townhouse together.

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Speaker 6: We just got a dog.

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Speaker 1: You know, Like I work like part time, you know,

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Speaker 1: like at a super chill like truck driving job. You know,

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Speaker 1: everyone's like very nice, you know, so I'm pretty lucky.

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Speaker 2: That's awesome. Yeah, tell you about Yeah what is that?

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Speaker 2: What does your best life look like? Is it? Is

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Speaker 2: that what you always wanted to be?

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Speaker 1: Like yeah, definitely. I think it's like I don't really

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Speaker 1: have like like a normal upbringing. You know, I had

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Speaker 1: like divorced parents, but like not messy divorced parents.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So when I, like me and her dad didn't work out,

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Speaker 1: Like I didn't want any fighting, I didn't want lawyers.

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Speaker 1: make it like easy as possible.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, but yeah, I love my life. Like I

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Speaker 1: love that I get to drive around all day and

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Speaker 1: you know, get to hang out my dog and go

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Speaker 1: to pool and like my me and my boyfriend golf together.

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Speaker 1: We go to dinner even though we can't. We shouldn't

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Speaker 1: go out to eat as much. That's our main issue

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Speaker 1: in life, spending money on food.

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Speaker 4: But like.

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Speaker 1: Everything's so expensive.

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Speaker 2: And what's making your You said your boyfriend's the best.

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Speaker 2: Why is he the best?

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, like he tells me he loves me.

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Speaker 1: He actually like treats me right, he like cares about

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Speaker 2: You know, it is the horniest language, is it not?

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Speaker 2: That's stupid. Yeah, that's kind of wild, is it? Why

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Speaker 1: But that's why I like you if you're never coming

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Speaker 2: Well, I hope you live long enough to be a

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Speaker 1: Uh No, everyone, have a nice.

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Speaker 2: Night, beautiful. I'll see in Montreal.

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Speaker 1: Dog, Yeah, I see you in Montreal. Have a good one,

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Speaker 2: Montreal. Yeah, Canada's cool. I was just in Vancouver. You

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Speaker 2: most state, It's got to be Washington. It's Washington. Washington

442
00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:09,320
Speaker 2: is above Oregon. Yes, Washington. I wouldn't go to the

443
00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,280
Speaker 2: border of Washington in Canada just to see if you

444
00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:13,760
Speaker 2: can do it. But if you if you have to,

445
00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:17,280
Speaker 2: if you're there for whatever reason, and you get a

446
00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 2: nice Canadian guy, he might let you in without a passport.

447
00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,639
Speaker 2: You can. You can. You can tell them that you

448
00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 2: heard that on the Therapy Gecko podcast and they'll let

449
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:29,199
Speaker 2: you in.

450
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:35,880
Speaker 4: Hell. Hello, Hey, what's up?

451
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,160
Speaker 2: What's up? How you doing? How's life?

452
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,240
Speaker 6: That's all right? How about you?

453
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,360
Speaker 2: You know? Uh, just another day, just another day. What's

454
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:45,760
Speaker 2: your name?

455
00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:46,760
Speaker 6: I'm Jackson?

456
00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:53,160
Speaker 2: Jackson. What brings you to the Therapy Get Go program today? Uh?

457
00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,600
Speaker 6: I don't know, man. I was just having a bit

458
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:58,000
Speaker 6: of a of a hard day, but I just got

459
00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,439
Speaker 6: that com I'm feeling a bit better. But you're just

460
00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,280
Speaker 6: having a weird day with my girlfriend.

461
00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:04,959
Speaker 2: I guess what's been weird about it?

462
00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:12,960
Speaker 6: Well, basically, we're hanging out today. I'm like about to

463
00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,479
Speaker 6: leave to work at a summer camp job, and her

464
00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 6: birthdays on the weekend, so we just like went to

465
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 6: hang out. We went to like a ceramic place to

466
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:30,360
Speaker 6: make some pottery and like go for lunch, and basically

467
00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 6: she was just like very upset at me this morning,

468
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,239
Speaker 6: because like right when she woke up, she was just

469
00:20:36,280 --> 00:20:39,160
Speaker 6: like really stressed, and I was like, why are you,

470
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:43,199
Speaker 6: why are you stressed? Like what's going on? And she

471
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:45,560
Speaker 6: just like wasn't able to tell me, So I didn't

472
00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 6: really know what to do. And then she was just

473
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,440
Speaker 6: like kind of upset all day that I like wasn't

474
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:53,200
Speaker 6: able to help with that. And then yeah, she's at

475
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 6: work now and we had like a really not great

476
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:02,040
Speaker 6: conversation about and I just feel kind of weird about

477
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:02,680
Speaker 6: the situation.

478
00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 2: Okay, so she her birthdays this weekend. You guys, you

479
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,760
Speaker 2: did a bunch of birthday stuff with her earlier because

480
00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:11,600
Speaker 2: you're going to be out of town for the summer

481
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: camp job. Uh, she wakes up, she's stressed out, and

482
00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 2: then she's upset at you for you don't really know

483
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 2: why she's upset at you.

484
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,399
Speaker 6: Yeah, like she she was just she had like a

485
00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 6: rough day at work yesterday and I was like really

486
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 6: trying to just be there for her last night, but

487
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 6: I guess this morning, I like didn't quite have the

488
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:38,800
Speaker 6: energy to give and I was just kind of like

489
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 6: hoping that she would figure it out and like be okay.

490
00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 6: And because she just didn't really know like why she

491
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 6: was stressed, but she was stressed. And then when you

492
00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,320
Speaker 6: like kind of ruined the whole birthday day.

493
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:56,080
Speaker 2: I guess when when you when you say you didn't

494
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,040
Speaker 2: have the energy, you were hoping she would figure it out?

495
00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:01,119
Speaker 2: What was there? What was there too figure out that

496
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 2: she needed from you.

497
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 6: I was trying to figure out why she was stressed.

498
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 6: She was telling me she didn't know, but she like

499
00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 6: wanted me to help. So I was saying, how can

500
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 6: I help you, and she was saying, I don't know.

501
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 6: So then I just was kind of like going back

502
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 6: to bed. And then we had talked about it later

503
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,680
Speaker 6: because she was just like kind of in a bad

504
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 6: mood after that, and she was saying, it's like because

505
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:33,119
Speaker 6: I couldn't like figure out why she was stressed and

506
00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:38,119
Speaker 6: like help her not be stressed. So I think she

507
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:44,119
Speaker 6: wanted me to solve it for her basically, But I

508
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,960
Speaker 6: don't know. That's where I'm like, I don't know what's

509
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:49,280
Speaker 6: what's going on. Maybe I'm being weird now.

510
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 2: I have multiple thoughts about this. Okay, tell me how

511
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:54,440
Speaker 2: long you been with this lady.

512
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,040
Speaker 6: We've been together for like a year and two months.

513
00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: Okay, has anything like this happened before? Or has she

514
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: ever complained about the anything like this before?

515
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, like quite a lot actually at testing.

516
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,480
Speaker 4: Okay, many many.

517
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 2: Times it has And what give me like the last

518
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 2: time it happened? Give me like the recurring situation? What

519
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: does that look like?

520
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 6: So I guess last night, like she comes home from work,

521
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 6: she had a rough day, like the just the person

522
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 6: she was working with was like in a really bad mood.

523
00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,080
Speaker 6: So she came home and was like, I had a

524
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 6: really tough day at work. So I'm like, okay, like

525
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 6: I'm totally down to like help you feel better or

526
00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:39,719
Speaker 6: just like be here with you sad, And it was

527
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 6: like working last night, like she felt better and like

528
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,640
Speaker 6: everything was cool. But I think a lot of the time,

529
00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 6: maybe if she has like a bad day or whatever,

530
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,360
Speaker 6: I will like try to come in and be there.

531
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,679
Speaker 6: But if like I'm not able to make her feel better,

532
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 6: it's like she gets mad. It's me. So it's like

533
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,399
Speaker 6: it's almost like I guess to me, I don't know

534
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 6: if it's actually what's going on, Like I might be

535
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 6: having some weird process about it, but it feels like

536
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 6: her whatever is going on in her day just kind

537
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,800
Speaker 6: of like translates into like that I have done something wrong,

538
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:21,240
Speaker 6: and she's.

539
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, it's you knows

540
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 2: the thing. It's hard to assess. Yeah, so I have

541
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 2: so many thoughts about this actually, because it's hard to

542
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 2: assess this without like having been in this situation. But

543
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 2: I might think multiple things. I think, like on your end, right, like, well,

544
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 2: i'll talk about your end first, I'll talk about her end,

545
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: So on your because you're because your ends more import

546
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 2: because your ends like what you can control. Right, So

547
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:53,200
Speaker 2: on your end, it's like if your girlfriend's having a

548
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 2: bad day, you the whole like, how can I help you?

549
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: And she says, I don't. No, obviously you can't be

550
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:07,240
Speaker 2: a mind reader, but really all you have to do

551
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 2: is like all she wants from you in that moment

552
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 2: is just like your presence. Yeah, there is, there's no

553
00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 2: specific thing. I mean, there's sure there's specific things you

554
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,680
Speaker 2: can do to show your presence, but all she wants

555
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 2: and you said the way you said, yeah, just now,

556
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
Speaker 2: it's like you're not stupid, you know this. She just

557
00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 2: wants your presence, right, She wants your your she wants

558
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 2: your attention, she wants your presence, and life's hard. Sometimes

559
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,840
Speaker 2: you you don't have it. Sometimes you don't have that

560
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 2: presence and you sometimes you reach into your brain and

561
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,439
Speaker 2: it's fucking insufficient funds and that sucks. I've been a

562
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:46,439
Speaker 2: billion situations, you know, personal and professional where uh, you know,

563
00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:48,679
Speaker 2: my presence was required and it just was I just

564
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:52,479
Speaker 2: had insufficient funds for that presence in my brain. And

565
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:56,159
Speaker 2: that sucks, you know. I think it's it's what you

566
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: want to do is just try to Again, You're not stupid.

567
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,120
Speaker 2: You know this that that all she wants is your presence, right,

568
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 2: So I'm sure you tried as hard as you can

569
00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 2: to uh give her that presence. So but then on

570
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: her side and it's I you know, I'm not talking

571
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,040
Speaker 2: to her, I'm talking to you. But on her side,

572
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: it's like you gotta communicate and you can't just like

573
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: go A to B you really can't. Just like it's

574
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 2: not fair for her to take out her stress on you,

575
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 2: Like you're trying to help as far as I know,

576
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know what the situation is. I

577
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: don't know what you're doing. I don't know what it

578
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 2: looks like. But you sound like a nice guy. You

579
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,359
Speaker 2: sound like, you care about this lady. You sound like

580
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 2: you're trying to give her your best presence, And in

581
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 2: that moment, it's like it's she can't just take out

582
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: her stress on you because like you're trying to you're

583
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,000
Speaker 2: trying to help her. As far as I know, you're

584
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: trying to help her, You're trying to be there.

585
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 6: So I just want it's like it's.

586
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so it sucks that she's like taken out

587
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 2: on you. It's like, why are you taking it out

588
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:05,120
Speaker 2: on me? I'm trying to help you. So yeah, I mean,

589
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: what when you bring this up to her? Like what

590
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: does she say? How do these conversations go.

591
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 6: Like when I bring up the dynamic.

592
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 2: Or yeah, when I bring up the dynamic and when

593
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: you're like, well you're you know.

594
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 6: Well, honestly, man, I think she's really great at coming

595
00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 6: back and I can tell she's really reflected and she'll

596
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 6: come back and be like, hey, I'm really sorry about

597
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 6: my reaction. I really want to work on you know,

598
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 6: how I react when I'm stressed and how I deal

599
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 6: with my stress. It's not fair to put it on you.

600
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 6: I guess. I guess it's just like recurred. I feel

601
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 6: like kind of the whole time we've been together. So

602
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 6: now I'm at the point where I'm like, maybe we

603
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 6: need to change our strategy and the like talking about

604
00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:54,040
Speaker 6: it isn't.

605
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 4: What's helping.

606
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 2: Interesting? What do you when you say you want to

607
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 2: change the strategy? What is what do you mean by that?

608
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,239
Speaker 6: I guess it feels more like you can you can

609
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 6: only do so much talking with somebody. But I think

610
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 6: what changes things is actually acting differently. So I guess

611
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 6: it just feels maybe like a miss match in expectations,

612
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 6: Like she just expects are going to act a certain way,

613
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 6: and like as much as I want to try to

614
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 6: act in that way, I just like can't do it

615
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 6: exactly how she's expecting. Yeah, So that's where I'm like,

616
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,600
Speaker 6: do I just keep trying to like change it slightly

617
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 6: or do I have to, Like, I just really want

618
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 6: things to work with her? And I know the other

619
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 6: option is just to like be like, I'll find somebody else,

620
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 6: but I care about this person, and I just I

621
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 6: guess I just don't want to keep doing the same

622
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 6: thing if it's not working. Ah.

623
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: I'm not an ex but you know it's I've been

624
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:09,840
Speaker 2: in little situations that remind me of this and it

625
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 2: my you know, my my, my gut thing that I

626
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 2: would that I my gut feeling that I have a

627
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 2: better situation like this is that like you know, you've

628
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 2: tried to like over the years, to like talk it through,

629
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: communicate yourself. She over and over she said, And you

630
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 2: know you've tried to do what's best on your We

631
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,959
Speaker 2: already talked about your end, which is like being present

632
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 2: and shit. And then on her end, it's like she's

633
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 2: trying to not take out her stress on you. And

634
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 2: she's told you that she's trying to not take her

635
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 2: stress out on you, and and then she'll get upset

636
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 2: and then she'll come back and be like, I'm sorry,

637
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: I got upset, and then you'll you know, you'll kind

638
00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 2: of break and rec and being and break and reconvene.

639
00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 2: But but you're not noticed. But what I'm hearing is

640
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: you're not noticing over time that the issue is improving,

641
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: but that it's just stagnant. So so this is one

642
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 2: of those situations where if you feel like something is

643
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:28,680
Speaker 2: not uh getting better, it's probably likely I mean, if

644
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: you feel like something's not getting better, there does come

645
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: a point where like you should I think you should

646
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: always keep trying, you should always keep letting yourself be known.

647
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 2: But they're kind of comes a point where you have

648
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: to like look at a person and and and uh

649
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 2: be like, you know what, this is not gonna improve

650
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,720
Speaker 2: or not not that let's say this not necessarily that

651
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: this is not going to improve, but that in order

652
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:03,560
Speaker 2: to continue, you have to accept a reality where it

653
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: does not improve, you know what I mean, Not say oh, oh,

654
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 2: this is never gonna change, this person's ever gonna change,

655
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: but accept the fact that they totally might never change.

656
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,160
Speaker 2: And if you really love this person, if you feel

657
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: really compatible with this person, if you really like this

658
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,719
Speaker 2: relationship to move forward, there does have to be some

659
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 2: form of acceptance where you're like, you know, I'm willing

660
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 2: to like, okay, I'm willing to stay, but staying involves

661
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: accepting that this thing is gonna uh may not ever

662
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 2: fucking change, and that everything else around it is so

663
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 2: is good enough that I'm okay with this or you leave,

664
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: But you sound like you want to work it out.

665
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure, No, I totally get what you're saying. Yeah,

666
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 6: at some point, you do just have to accept somebody

667
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 6: how they are and like they're showing you how they're

668
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 6: gonna be. And I do think after a certain point

669
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 6: you can maybe like hope for change as much as

670
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 6: you want, but it is I think it does add

671
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 6: more frustration where there doesn't need to be. I think,

672
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,719
Speaker 6: like trying to change somebody else really doesn't work. Ever,

673
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 6: so I don't know, I see what you're saying. Man,

674
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 6: for sure, Yeah.

675
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't work. But there's also yeah, I mean everything

676
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 2: I said is that it doesn't work, but you should

677
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: also you should, but you should keep letting yourself be

678
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: known and like keep communicating. It gets exhausting, but yeah,

679
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 2: it's like the reality, the real it gets exhausted. But

680
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: the reality is like when someone kind of shows you

681
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: that they're not going to change over a long period

682
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 2: of time, they're basically telling you, like, you know, hey,

683
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 2: take it or take it or leave it. And by

684
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 2: the way, for sure, like and by the way, man,

685
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 2: you know, on your end, it's like what the fuck

686
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 2: it's situation. There's probably a lot of things where it's

687
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: like she has to look at you and accept that

688
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 2: you're not gonna change. You know. That's yeah, it's tough, man,

689
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 2: Sorry what I said. Yeah, it's tough man.

690
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just every time I've gotten in a relationship,

691
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 6: it just feels like I'm immediately a burden with like

692
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 6: you have to now choose if you're gonna stay our lead,

693
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 6: whereas like if you're simply you don't have that decision,

694
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 6: and like I want to be with one person going

695
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 6: forward to my life. But I guess just like that

696
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 6: pressure of like are you gonna stay, you're gonna go

697
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 6: is just like so hard to deal with because I

698
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 6: also just want to focus on my own life and

699
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 6: like the ship I got going on outside of a relationship,

700
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 6: So I don't think thinking about a relationship all the

701
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 6: time is like beneficial, but like I'd like to be

702
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 6: in one.

703
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not listen, I'll be honest, I'm not

704
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 2: like a relationship expert. There is a part of me

705
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: that there because there's another part of me that believes that, like,

706
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,400
Speaker 2: you know, the right relationship. I don't know if I

707
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 2: don't know the more I get into things, I don't

708
00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 2: know if there is like such a binary of right

709
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 2: and wrong relationship, But there is a part of it.

710
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 2: There's a philosophy for me that goes, like you know,

711
00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 2: if you're in the right relationship, then you're not always

712
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: thinking if you should stay or if you should leave. Right.

713
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe it's just like kind of working out. I

714
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 6: don't know, man, there's.

715
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: A big part of me that feels that way too,

716
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 2: that if you're in there is a big part of

717
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 2: me that does feel like in terms of like chasing

718
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 2: your alignment in your life, that like the things that

719
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 2: you're because I audit my life a lot, and I think, like,

720
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: what am I? What am I like sure of? Like

721
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: there's certain aspects of my life, certain people in my life,

722
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 2: certain things where I'm like, I'm one hundred percent sure

723
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 2: about that. I don't waste time thinking about that. And

724
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 2: there's tons of things in my life where I'm like,

725
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I'm like that takescept a lot of my time thinking

726
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 2: should I or shouldn't I? And there's a part of

727
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: it and I don't want to I'd be a hypocrite

728
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: if I told you that. I'm really good at always

729
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 2: going with this guttural response. But there's a part of

730
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: me that feels like if you have to go, oh,

731
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 2: should I or shouldn't I, then it is a sign

732
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 2: of of misalignment. But I don't have the wisdom yet

733
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: to say if if I believe that's to be true.

734
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think everybody kind of struggles with that, like

735
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 6: forever pretty much. I don't know if you can really

736
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 6: answer that question.

737
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 2: I don't know. I want to do the science on it.

738
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 2: I keep thinking, I'm like, i should take like in

739
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: my life audit. So I'm like, I should. I want

740
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 2: to live a life where I'm like a full body

741
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 2: yes to everything, But I don't know if that's a fantasy.

742
00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: You know.

743
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I just want to feel excited about

744
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 5: the decisions I'm making, you know. I want to wake

745
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:10,640
Speaker 5: up every day kind of being like, maybe everything's not perfect,

746
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 5: but I'm excited about the choices I'm making and like

747
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 5: the possibility of the choices I get to make today.

748
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 6: But I don't know if that's like realistic. Like I

749
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 6: feel like a lot of days I wake up and

750
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 6: I'm like I just kind of have to do what

751
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 6: I have to do. But I don't know if that's

752
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 6: like the way to live life.

753
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: You know. Well, I hope you figure it out, man, Thank.

754
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 4: You, thank you.

755
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 6: I was getting to dis respectful. I'm sorry.

756
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's what this whole stupid uh I

757
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: think that's what the whole thing is is. Maybe it's

758
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: not what the whole thing is, but uh no, I

759
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 2: don't think you've I don't think you've gotten too introspective.

760
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:53,959
Speaker 2: This is a comple This has nothing to do with anything.

761
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: But have you ever had the new This is not

762
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: an AD. This is just I'm just thinking about this

763
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: right now. There's nothing to do with anything we talked about.

764
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: It's not an AD. But like, have you ever ever

765
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 2: had the dude? I just had the popped caramel Eminem's?

766
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:12,839
Speaker 2: Have you ever had those?

767
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 6: I've had the pop Skittles and there you've had the

768
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 6: pop Skittles.

769
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: Okay, the pop Skittles? Okay, So I so, dude, freeze

770
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: dried candy is a huge thing all over the place now.

771
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 2: I keep seeing it everywhere and I've never I've only

772
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: seen it with fruity candies. This eminem ship, it's the

773
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 2: only time I've seen it with like a chocolate candy.

774
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: It's up there with it might be one of the

775
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: best candies I've ever had in my life.

776
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 6: It's really period.

777
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 2: Like well, first of all, it like, well, it is

778
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 2: not an AD. I'm just thinking about that the like

779
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: so like one caramel eminem it's so dense right when

780
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: you kind of eat it and it's gone, But when

781
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,840
Speaker 2: they pop it, the density is is uh bigger. So

782
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: it feels like you're getting more out of the same

783
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 2: amount of the thing because it's like it's all popped

784
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 2: and stuff, and then the texture is a lot more.

785
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 2: It's like crunchy and still CARAMELI you know, isn't.

786
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 6: It more intensity or like you get a longer lasting experience, You.

787
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: Get a longer lasting experience, Yeah, because I could. Yeah,

788
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 2: you get a longer last nit you get more out

789
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 2: of less. I would say, I think a bag of

790
00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 2: popped caramel eminems will last me longer than just a

791
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:42,839
Speaker 2: bag of like the regular ones. They're better than you've

792
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 2: never had caramel, that's not have you ever had M

793
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: and ms?

794
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I feel like I've only seen the peanut

795
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 6: butter eminems. I don't know if I've ever even seen

796
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 6: a bag of caramel eminem's in my life.

797
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: They only have the popped version of the caramel ones.

798
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: That's the only eminem that they've popped. But I am

799
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 2: open to them popping more. I don't know what the

800
00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: science is behind freeze drying shit and popping shit. I

801
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 2: don't know if I can buy a freeze dryer off

802
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:09,959
Speaker 2: of Amazon. Let me know I can. I I'm gonna

803
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 2: if I can buy a freeze dry I'm gonna sure.

804
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 6: I feel like you can't for sure?

805
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 4: Like what would be the first thing that you would

806
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,000
Speaker 4: freeze dry to pump?

807
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 6: Oh?

808
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 2: I would pop a Nerds gummy clusters. I was gonna

809
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 2: say that I've popped oh, But I don't think. I

810
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 2: don't think the texture of them is conducive to popping

811
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:26,440
Speaker 2: and freeze drying.

812
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 6: I feel like if you can pop a skittle and

813
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 6: a caramel eminem, that's such a wide range of ingredients

814
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 6: that I feel like you could pomp anything. Like I'm

815
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 6: no candy genius, but I'm just thinking.

816
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: What's your name again?

817
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 6: That's Jackson?

818
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 2: Jackson. I hope you figure out all that stuff with

819
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 2: your girlfriend too.

820
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 6: Thank you much. I appreciate that.

821
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 2: Is there anything else you want to say to the

822
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: people of the computer before we go?

823
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 6: I love the podcast listening to a lot, and yeah,

824
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 6: thanks for chatting with.

825
00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 2: Me, beautiful yet blessed man. Thank you very much for

826
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:17,360
Speaker 2: calling and Sharon, good.

827
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 6: Luck, Okay, I have a good one.

828
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: Man, man. I hope our caller figures it out. I'm

829
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: curious in the comments when people think about his his dilemma,

830
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: because I I'm Yeah, we've been talking a lot about

831
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 2: relationships on the podcast for a bit, and uh, I

832
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,400
Speaker 2: mean with all things in life, it's like, yeah, everyone's

833
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 2: trying to chase like alignment, you know, and I don't know.

834
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: I don't think perfect alignment part of me things perfect

835
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 2: alignment in life is like a myth, you know.

836
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 6: But.

837
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: It could it could be possible. Maybe it's just me

838
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 2: being me. Hello, Hello, is this Zeus?

839
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 4: Is this the get Go?

840
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 2: Yes, this is the Gecko and this is Zeus.

841
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 4: Dude, Helia, I am Zeus. You are the gek Zeus.

842
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 2: You texted me and you said you said that you

843
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: are a caver and you go deep into underground caves

844
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: for fun.

845
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 6: I do.

846
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 4: I do those things now.

847
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: That is one of those things that I think is insane.

848
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 4: You know, as I've been doing it over the years,

849
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: I also think it's insane.

850
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: I mean, you've seen that photo of that fucking you know.

851
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 2: I don't even the guy what's his name? You know,

852
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 2: the photo I'm talking.

853
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 4: About, Yeah, I forget his name. That was a nutty

854
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 4: putty cave.

855
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 2: Nutty putty cave. You've seen that photo, right, So you

856
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: tell me you see that photo and you're still like,

857
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:55,839
Speaker 2: all right, I'm down to risk that shit.

858
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 4: Well, I personally don't go ahead first down holes. That's

859
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,919
Speaker 4: just a personal preference of mind.

860
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 2: But that's what caving like the cave do you Like?

861
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: That's what caving is, right, It's going into unexplored caves

862
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: and fucking around and trying not to get stuck. Right.

863
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 4: Uh, yeah, certain parts of it for sure. Yeah, you

864
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 4: definitely don't want to get stuck or have a rock

865
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 4: fall on you that kind of tings you into place

866
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:28,280
Speaker 4: that's uh, those are not good things.

867
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,280
Speaker 2: So what is the process of the kind of caving

868
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 2: that you do.

869
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 4: Well, a lot of people when when they think of caving,

870
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,839
Speaker 4: they think of like what you're thinking of is just

871
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 4: going into really tight spaces and stuff. But like, there's

872
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: a whole plethora of caves across the country where you know,

873
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,800
Speaker 4: you may be walking the entire time, you may be swimming,

874
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: you may bring a boat, you may be doing a

875
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: mix of all of those things. You may you may

876
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 4: be going into really confined spaces with water. You know,

877
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 4: it's a kind of a broad spectrum of what you

878
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 4: can do underground. You can even do rope access and

879
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,760
Speaker 4: do the SRT and ride ropes down huge pits.

880
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: But do you ever get freaked out that you're going

881
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 2: to die like all the other people that died.

882
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 4: I have never felt that way. I've never felt like

883
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 4: I was going to die in a cave. But you've

884
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 4: always got the possibility of like a loose rock falling

885
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 4: on you, especially if there's a slope into a pit

886
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 4: and you're on ropes, your rope could adjust and a

887
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 4: rock could fall on you. And that, to me, that's

888
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,919
Speaker 4: one of the most dangerous hazards that I faced rock fall.

889
00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 2: What is the coolest cave that you've seen?

890
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say the name of it, but

891
00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:53,280
Speaker 4: there's this epic cave in Tennessee where approximately.

892
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,360
Speaker 2: Wait, why would I say the name? Why would you

893
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 2: say the name to the cave? Is it a private.

894
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 4: It's on private property. You don't want to you don't

895
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 4: want to harass private property owners, and you also don't

896
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: want to increase traffic because caving is kind of a

897
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 4: conservation minded thing, you know, like it's leave no trace,

898
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 4: you leave nothing, but for footprints and take nothing but pictures.

899
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 4: So if you increase traffic to the cave, then it

900
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 4: just gets torn apart, basically. And if the public knew

901
00:44:22,800 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 4: about it, then they're gonna want to go in there

902
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: and not know what they're getting into and spray paint

903
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 4: and leave trash and stuff.

904
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 2: Okay, tell me about this cave.

905
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Yeah, it's like a two hundred and sixty

906
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 4: foot waterfall repel. You cave for about two hours and

907
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 4: it's mostly walking stream passage. You're up to your waist

908
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 4: to your chest and water most of the way, and

909
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 4: then it breaks through this layer of limestone and drops

910
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 4: two hundred and sixty feet up and you're about fifteen

911
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 4: feet away from this raging waterfall. And when I did it,

912
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 4: my buddy had one of those massive like diving lights,

913
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: and that can light up a whole massive room, and

914
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 4: so I went over the lip of this pit and

915
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 4: the whole waterfall was lit up, and it was just

916
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 4: the most incredible thing I've ever seen. And that ride

917
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 4: down and climb up was one of the coolest experiences

918
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 4: I've ever had. I love that.

919
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: And and you just like broke into this guy's house

920
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 2: and went into his cave, like this is where had

921
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: you find this cave?

922
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,359
Speaker 4: We had permission, We had talked to him prior and

923
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: gave us a day and a time to show up

924
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:31,040
Speaker 4: and go visit his cave. It's a very massive cave.

925
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 4: We only sorry.

926
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 2: How'd you know that he has a cave?

927
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 4: Through the grottos in the local area. You can get

928
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 4: property access through people in the grottos. Grottos are caving

929
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:47,160
Speaker 4: clubs that are mainly across the southeast, but they're all

930
00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,879
Speaker 4: over the country. They're just caving clubs where people who

931
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,719
Speaker 4: like crawling around in caves can meet other cavers and

932
00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:53,360
Speaker 4: go explore.

933
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: How does it feel when you're in the cave?

934
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:02,719
Speaker 4: To me, it feels he it's you know, there's no

935
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 4: self service, it's it's dark, it's quiet, it's some kind

936
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 4: of relaxing. You just dress a little warm, and you

937
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 4: dress for your environment and try to prepare because there's

938
00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 4: no help for you down there. If if something out

939
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 4: that happens, you know, I I find peace in it.

940
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 4: That's how I feel.

941
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 2: What's the scariest thing you've encountered in one of the caves?

942
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 4: Ooh, good question. I've had rocks fall on me a

943
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 4: couple of times, nothing major, mostly just little pebbles and

944
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 4: stuff like maybe a little bit about the size of

945
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 4: my fist. I had one hit me in a thigh

946
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 4: pretty bad and left a big bruise. What I think

947
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 4: what scares me the most and what I think about

948
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 4: the most is when you get on ropes and we're

949
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: all we're all down there for fun, we're all trying

950
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 4: to have a good time, and we're all hobbyists, and

951
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't really have extremely good vertical skills,

952
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 4: and that's okay, but it's scary when something happens and

953
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 4: they potentially become stuck on rope or can enter an

954
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 4: uncontrolled repel on rope. So there are ways to medicate that.

955
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 4: But I think I think that's the scariest thing to

956
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 4: me is not necessarily knowing the skills of my partners

957
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 4: doing the activity.

958
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: M okay, So it's not being able to have a

959
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:25,799
Speaker 2: crew that you.

960
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 4: Trust sometimes yeah, yeah, most of the time a cave

961
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 4: with some very experienced cavers and we all know what

962
00:47:32,600 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: we're doing, and even then things can still happen, for sure.

963
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: How about creatures, you see any crazy creatures? Critters?

964
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,600
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, okay, thousands of bats. They're really cool environments

965
00:47:43,640 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 4: because a lot of the creatures in the cave are

966
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 4: cave adapted, so they only live down there. So tons

967
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 4: of salamanders. In my area Tennessee, we have this salamander

968
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 4: called the Tennessee Cave salamander, and it's it's only a

969
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 4: very small area that they live in, but they're really

970
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 4: cool and they're quad. They swim around. They have these

971
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 4: huge red gills, kind of like an ax A lottel. Yeah.

972
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 4: Tons of crayfish, like cave adapted crayfish. There's cavefish that

973
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 4: are white. The crayfish are also white. A bunch of

974
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 4: different baths. I'm always scared that I'm gonna turn around

975
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,800
Speaker 4: the corner and see like a horny female, but bigfoot

976
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 4: that's gonna kidnap me. That's always be in my big

977
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:25,720
Speaker 4: fear of underground.

978
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 2: A lot of people that's their fantasy.

979
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,959
Speaker 4: Well it's not my fantasy, it's a fear of mine.

980
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,440
Speaker 2: So, uh, what do you do outside of caving?

981
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:40,360
Speaker 4: Outside of caving, I do a lot of fishing, hiking.

982
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:44,120
Speaker 4: I work in rope access and work on wind turbines,

983
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 4: repair the blades on them. We repel off those giant

984
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 4: death machines.

985
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,839
Speaker 2: Wind turbines, so you're just constantly around things that can

986
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: kill you.

987
00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:01,879
Speaker 4: I'm more scared of the wind turbines than I am

988
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 4: of the cave, to be fair.

989
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: Right, right right, literally, sorry, go ahead, no, you go ahead.

990
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 4: A wind turbine is literally a giant machine that is

991
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: designed to kill you. That's that's we say that in

992
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 4: safety meetings all the time and keep it in the

993
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: back of your head at all times. You're around a

994
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 4: bunch of moving parts and they're you know, they're they're generators,

995
00:49:26,040 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 4: they're electrical machines, so you've got to be very cautious

996
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 4: with how you approach and treat those those things.

997
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:35,520
Speaker 2: You think more people have gotten killed by wind turbines

998
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: or by caves?

999
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 4: Oh, another good question. I I don't have an answer

1000
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 4: for you. A lot of people have died in caves.

1001
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,560
Speaker 4: There have been several people that have died on win tournaments.

1002
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,239
Speaker 4: I would say probably caves, but I don't have a

1003
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,359
Speaker 4: factual answer to tell you. That's my my opinion. If

1004
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 4: I had to.

1005
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: Guess, zeus before we go, give me, give me the

1006
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 2: dream cave. Where's the cave where you're like, I've always

1007
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 2: wanted to look and see what's inside of this particular cave.

1008
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: The dream cave, I think a good multi drop cave.

1009
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 4: So it's like you repel in and you do some

1010
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 4: horizontal caving and it goes the trip is down, and

1011
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 4: we'll also do it. Let's make it a pull down

1012
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 4: cave to where when you go into the cave and

1013
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 4: you repel down to your first level, you pull the

1014
00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 4: rope down behind you, and once you do that, you're

1015
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 4: committed to going to the bottom. So there is going

1016
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 4: to be a second entrance, at least one, and it's

1017
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 4: going to be beautiful through the whole way. Lots of formations,

1018
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 4: lots of critters, lots of like salamanders and cave adapted

1019
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 4: life through the passages and water. Water caves are a

1020
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 4: lot of fun when when you're repelling next to the

1021
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: waterfall and crawling through water or even walking or waiting

1022
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 4: through it. I think that's my perfect mix of caves.

1023
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 2: Wait, well, I guess I'm looking for a specific cave

1024
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,000
Speaker 2: like a white wolf a white whale cave where you're like,

1025
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 2: I want to go to the you know, deep in

1026
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:14,280
Speaker 2: fucking China or wherever, Like, is there a specific cave

1027
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 2: that you want to go see.

1028
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 4: A specific cave, probably let you gia. It's been closed

1029
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 4: the cavers for a long time. If you're not a researcher,

1030
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 4: let your gia.

1031
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,239
Speaker 2: How does one Because if you're not a researcher, but

1032
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,759
Speaker 2: aren't you, I mean you're a researcher. You're what's it

1033
00:51:28,840 --> 00:51:30,680
Speaker 2: really take to be if you're going into the cave

1034
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 2: to look at shit? That's researching, right, You don't need

1035
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 2: a piece of paper to say you're yeah.

1036
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1037
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 4: So like I do map caves. I I make my

1038
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,759
Speaker 4: own maps and publish them through a caving club. But

1039
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 4: like they're looking for more people who have like who

1040
00:51:51,120 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 4: can study animals like cave adapted life, or study the geology,

1041
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 4: or study like why this cave the way it is is?

1042
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 4: Why is this cave the way it is? You know know,

1043
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:04,240
Speaker 4: like so like the average caver doesn't typically get permission

1044
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:06,560
Speaker 4: to go visit the bottom of letagee and see all

1045
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 4: the cool stuff.

1046
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 2: Why is this cave the way it is? It's profound

1047
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 2: good question.

1048
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 4: I think that all the time.

1049
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:18,960
Speaker 2: Zeus, Is there anything else you want to say to

1050
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,440
Speaker 2: the people of the computer before we go?

1051
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,200
Speaker 6: Uh?

1052
00:52:24,480 --> 00:52:28,439
Speaker 2: I love you get Thank you Zeus. I wish you

1053
00:52:29,680 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: good tiding. I'm gonna manifest that you have good cave

1054
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: experiences for the rest of your life.

1055
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 4: Thank you, Gek. I'll try to stay safe.

1056
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:46,799
Speaker 2: See see Zeus, Zeus, see a Zeus, see you.

1057
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 1: Man.

1058
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,479
Speaker 2: I hope that God is okay in the caves. Man.

1059
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:56,560
Speaker 2: I don't fuck around in caves, man, but I guess

1060
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 2: someone has to. I guess someone's got to see what's

1061
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:02,759
Speaker 2: going on in those caves. We thank Zeus for being

1062
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: that's someone who from Alexia.

1063
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,000
Speaker 4: Hello, Oh my god, Hello, Hi.

1064
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 2: What's your name?

1065
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: My name is Alexia.

1066
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: What's up, Alexia? How's life? Life is good?

1067
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 3: I'm standing in the middle of the forest right now.

1068
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 2: You're standing in the middle of the forest. Yeah, what

1069
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 2: are you doing in the middle of the forest.

1070
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,920
Speaker 3: I'm actually at work. I do feel botany, so I'm

1071
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:30,120
Speaker 3: like hiding plants and measuring trees and shit.

1072
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: Oh cool. How how tall was the last tree that

1073
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 2: you measured?

1074
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 3: Well, we measure the diameter, so I don't know, is

1075
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 3: maybe like a diameter of twenty.

1076
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 2: Five a diameter of twenty five?

1077
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean like sometimes we measure the height, but

1078
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 3: we're usually doing uh width for it.

1079
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you think trees are important people?

1080
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,919
Speaker 3: I do think trees are important to people, seeing as

1081
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 3: we can't really like breathe without oxygen.

1082
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 2: That's true. I was gonna ask why you think trees

1083
00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 2: are important? But that's good. But this this does make

1084
00:54:08,040 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 2: sense the whole but the whole thing of trees providing oxygen.

1085
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:15,959
Speaker 2: I mean I'm in a city and there's like two

1086
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: trees in the whole city and everyone's breathing. Fine, you

1087
00:54:19,719 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 2: know does that How does that work?

1088
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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 3: I think the idea is that like all the trees

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00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 3: on the planet like dispersed the oxygen because there's something

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00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 3: like I don't know, this is like totally made up maybe,

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00:54:31,840 --> 00:54:36,240
Speaker 3: but like the Amazon rainforest provides like some big percent

1093
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,440
Speaker 3: of oxygen for the whole planet. So I don't know.

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00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 3: I think it just spreads around.

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Speaker 2: Alexia is was there a particular thing that you wanted

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00:54:46,080 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 2: to talk about today?

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Speaker 3: No, I mean I just saw the you posted on

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00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:55,280
Speaker 3: your Instagram. I probably have had like a thousand things

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00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 3: that I've wanted to say in the past, but uh no,

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Speaker 3: I'm just a chilling right now.

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Speaker 2: And how long do you have? How long do you

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Speaker 2: how long do you have until you have to get

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00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 2: off the phone and go do tree stuff.

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Speaker 3: Well it's lunch now, so my timeline is pretty free.

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Speaker 3: I think we have like a cool schedule. So we

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00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,280
Speaker 3: just kind of come out here and like fallock around

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00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 3: for a while and then go back to the office.

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Speaker 6: So it's chill.

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Speaker 2: Is there. So okay, So you have like an actual

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Speaker 2: office that you work out of too, it's not just yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, yeah, it's like fun we do. So we do like,

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Speaker 3: uh like forest assessments for like military land, like soldiers

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00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 3: come out here and train and then we come through

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Speaker 3: and see like how bad they messed it up or

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00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 3: like how like if they can go back to the spot.

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Speaker 3: I'm not totally sure. I just take all the data

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00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: for it. My boss does whatever else with it.

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Speaker 2: And do you ever see any cool animals while you're

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00:56:03,960 --> 00:56:04,879
Speaker 2: doing it? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we see. So I'm in Alaska and it's actually

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00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:11,279
Speaker 3: interesting because I've heard recently that you've had a lot

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00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 3: of callers in Alaska, but you don't they don't seem

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Speaker 3: to be interior. I live in Fairbanks in the interior.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? Interior? Exterior?

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Speaker 3: So like the exterior is anywhere like around the coast

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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,720
Speaker 3: or like I don't know, maybe like one hundred miles

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00:56:29,719 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 3: in from the coast, and then the interior is maybe

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Speaker 3: like because there's like a mountain range that borders the coast,

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Speaker 3: and I think the interior is considered inside the mountain range.

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Speaker 3: So I'm in, like I'm in like central eastern Alaska.

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Speaker 2: I want to go. I'm going to Alaska. I have

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Speaker 2: a show there in October. I'm gonna probably do.

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Speaker 3: Some I know, I'm literally signed up for the I'm

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00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 3: signed up for the thing. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah, you

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Speaker 3: know the thing.

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Speaker 2: Do you have anyh go ahead? Go ahead?

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Speaker 3: Oh sorry, yeah, Well everyone from Fairbanks has to go

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00:57:10,360 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 3: to Anchorage for like events and stuff, and it's like

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Speaker 3: six hour drive. So I'm pretty stoked for that. It's

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Speaker 3: gonna be fun. I think if you get the chance,

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00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 3: you should come to Fairbanks. Although it's October so there's

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Speaker 3: probably not a lot happening, I you know.

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Speaker 2: I to me, when people say like, oh, there's not

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Speaker 2: a lot happening because it's you know, X month, I

1145
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 2: never I never like when people say that, because it's like,

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Speaker 2: you know, listen, there's some The main attractions of any

1147
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 2: place to me are like, you know, just some fucking

1148
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: guy walking around, you know, and everywhere you know, I'm

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00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: whatever the weather, whatever the time, everywhere in the world,

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00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 2: there's always just you know, some fucking guy walking around

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00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 2: eating something, and I want to talk to that guy.

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00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,840
Speaker 2: So I don't, like, I don't always people do this

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00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 2: thing about the weather where it's like, why would you

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00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 2: go there in that weather? And it's like, well, I

1155
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: don't know, it's not why do I I just the

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00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 2: idea that like you always have to travel to a

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00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:14,320
Speaker 2: place when the weather is perfect. I resent that.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you're totally right, honestly, And you know what,

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00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,320
Speaker 3: there's so many like crazy people here, but I think

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Speaker 3: that you'd have a great time if you got to

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Speaker 3: talk to some people on the street.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: People keep telling me that about Alaska, that there's uh

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Speaker 2: because it's either it's either always really dark or really sunny.

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Speaker 3: Right yeah, like right now we have like twenty well

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00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:39,000
Speaker 3: it's almost twenty four hours of daylight. Solstice is next

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Speaker 3: whoa really really yeah, Like it's really hard to go

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Speaker 3: to bed at night because it's just like sunshine out

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Speaker 3: all the time.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, Okay, I know I just made that whole stink

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Speaker 2: about the weather thing. But I would like to see that.

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Speaker 2: That sounds very no.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's like the highlight is like we we Alaskan,

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Speaker 3: We really like to tell people to come up here

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00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 3: during the summer so they can get to see the

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00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 3: midnight sun. It's really cool. But you know winter is

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00:59:08,520 --> 00:59:12,480
Speaker 3: really cool too, is Yeah, I will would recommend ten

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Speaker 3: out of ten in.

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Speaker 2: October is it fully dark?

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Speaker 3: So October it's like so like the solstice and the

1182
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 3: summer is June twentieth, and then the equinoxes December twenty

1183
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,520
Speaker 3: fifth or something, so that's like the lightest and then

1184
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 3: the darkest day of the year. So October is like

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Speaker 3: kind of in between. I feel like October would be

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Speaker 3: like a typical daylight cycle for like in the lower forty.

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Speaker 2: Eight Alexia, Yeah, is there anything you want to say

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Speaker 2: to the people of the computer before we go?

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Speaker 3: I would like to say, thanks for picking up and

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Speaker 3: peace and love.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Alexia, have a good rest of your entire life.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Goes on line, thank you calls every night.

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Speaker 4: Everything goes to and his eye's.

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Speaker 2: Teaching you to a house of your life. But he's

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Speaker 2: not really an expert.