1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,400 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. The third hour of Clay in Buck 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: is here, everybody, Thanks for rolling with us. Biden is 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: creating the worst illegal immigrant crisis ever. That's the headline 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: up at Foxnews dot Com Opinion right now. I wrote 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: it last night because I'm just furious about what's happening here. 7 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:24,799 Speaker 1: We've been trying to update you about every step of 8 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: this disaster as it is unfolding with the end of 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: Title forty two. But everything the Biden regime has done 10 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: so far, it seemed like they want the border to 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: be wide open. They want there to be massive, massive 12 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: inflows of illegal immigrants into this country. Somebody who knows 13 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: this issue backwards and forwards, almost on the front lines 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: of trying to secure the border during the Trump administration 15 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:50,879 Speaker 1: is Stephen Miller. He was a former senior advisor to 16 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:53,440 Speaker 1: President Trump in the White House, and he's also the 17 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: President of America First Legal He joins us. Now, Stephen, 18 00:00:56,200 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: great to have you back, great to be here. Thank 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: you so see. But I've been talking my border patrol 20 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: sources this week and checking in on the numbers as 21 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: they stand so far. As well as the projections from DHS. 22 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: We're staring at what feels like the immigration iceberg, so 23 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: to speak, and the Biden administration is yelling full speed 24 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: ahead unprecedented illegal immigration numbers a month away. What's going 25 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: on here? Well, I often tell people that have run 26 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: out of actions that describe how bad it already is. 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 1: You know, when Joe Biden came into office in January 28 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: of two and twenty one, we were already within a 29 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: few weeks of him taking the oath of office in 30 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: a full blown border crisis. We all remember the images 31 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: for that hot minute when the media was actually covering it, 32 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 1: and then they realize, holy crap, this is terrible for 33 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: Biden's pull numbers. We're not going to talk about it 34 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: again for a year. The situation since then has gotten 35 00:01:54,320 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: unimaginably worse. We've gone from four or five thousand apprehensions 36 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: a day to now eight thousand apprehensions a day, so 37 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: we've doubled what was true five alarm fire crisis levels. 38 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 1: That's where we are now. So it's much worse than 39 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: anything we've ever had before in American history. Because twenty 40 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 1: twenty one was the highest level since records have been 41 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 1: kept that's your starting point, your baseline under Joe Biden 42 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: is the worst year in American history. So how do 43 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 1: you even describe where we are right now? Not in 44 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: May when TATI forty two is gone, Right now today, 45 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: when we were at eight thousand apprehensions a day plus 46 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 1: two thousand goataways that we know of a day, and 47 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 1: by no of I mean these are people have bought 48 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,359 Speaker 1: a patrol seas escape or they are able to deduce 49 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 1: the size of a group from a footprints or from 50 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: a fence cut, or from drone surveillance, etc. So that's 51 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: ten thousand. And then you have another group, which are 52 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: the unknown gataways, which of course by definition are unknown. 53 00:02:55,840 --> 00:03:01,720 Speaker 1: So your daily numbers crossing exceed ten thousand a day 54 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 1: right now. No nation in history has experienced an illegal 55 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:08,519 Speaker 1: immigration wave of that size. Ever, you can't find any 56 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: historical precedent for it. You could scour the history books 57 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: your entire life. It's now on top of that, they're saying, okay, 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: now let's get rid of title forty two, and we're 59 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: going to go from ten thousand to some unknowably larger number, 60 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: at which point in time you can get any of 61 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: the source in the world. There be no attractives left 62 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: to describe how bad that is. Stephen, appreciate you joining us. 63 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm reading Marco Rubio from this morning. He tweeted out, 64 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: several Central American leaders have informed me traffickers are spreading 65 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the word Biden's going to allow anyone who crosses the 66 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: border to stay if they file for asylum. A massive 67 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: illegal immigration surge is coming, and those who pushed to 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: end Title forty two are to blame. Okay, so let's 69 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: presume that this is true. Buck and I were discussing 70 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: this yesterday, Stephen, What could possibly be the goal of 71 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: the bide An administration in making this choice, given that 72 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: their approval ratings are already total trash, They're staring at 73 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: a red wave in the mid term election. What is 74 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: their game plan? What are they gaining by this? Why 75 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 1: are they doing it? Well? If you look at several 76 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: positions to the Democratic Party, I would argue that this 77 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: is the one that will have by far the most 78 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 1: irreversible consequences for our country. But you know, if you 79 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: look at their policies on crime as an example, if 80 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: you look at their policies on critical race theory as 81 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: an example, They're all enormously unpopular with normal human beings, really, 82 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 1: including in the Democratic Party too. So the question, of 83 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: course becomes why. I think the answer to that is 84 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: that Democrats are interested, and have always been interested, in 85 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: long term structural power, and so they're willing to sacrifice 86 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,039 Speaker 1: short term pain for long term gain. First of all, 87 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: I think they've aready written off by it. And I'm 88 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: not the first person to say this. I don't think 89 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: they think he's going to be the nominee, and I 90 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: don't think that they I think that if by some 91 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: miracle he were to become the nominee, that he'll be 92 00:05:04,279 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: in the Oval office five years from now. So they're 93 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: playing the long game here, and they know look at California, 94 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: that large scale, uninterrupted illegal immigration and by the way, 95 00:05:15,640 --> 00:05:18,039 Speaker 1: nothing that we have today you can compar us to 96 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: what was happening in eighties or nineties of so much 97 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 1: worse today that it's California times ten. But you look 98 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: at California, this was the state that went for Nick 99 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,840 Speaker 1: Sinwyn for Ivan howerwin for Reagan, went for HW and 100 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: eighty eight, basically one of the most conservative states in 101 00:05:32,160 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: the whole country. Beautiful, beautiful weather and wildly conservative, basically 102 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: paradise now look at California, so they understand that they 103 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: are setting the stage for long term democratic governance. We're 104 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 1: speaking to Stephen Miller. He is the president of America 105 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: First Legal and a former senior advisor to President Donald Trump. Stephen, 106 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,720 Speaker 1: are you seeing indicators because some of the people that 107 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: I know and work with, who really dig into the 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: minutia of DHS rules and regulations and how the bureaucracy functions, 109 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: they're already saying that one of the plans here is 110 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: going to be to make it easier for illegal once 111 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 1: Title forty two goes, they're going to streamline the process 112 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: so that we won't see fifteen or twenty thousand person 113 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: you know, camp site so to speak, or groupings by 114 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: the board of the way we did months ago. It'll 115 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: just be invisible, largely because there'll be so many people 116 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: going in and immediately being led into the country with 117 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: either a notice to appear or an alternative to detention policy, 118 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 1: which just means essentially the honor system. Is that even 119 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 1: is that possible? I mean, can the bureaucracy do that 120 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,679 Speaker 1: and get away with it? If the Biden regime says 121 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: that's what they want. It is possible, and it's indeed 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 1: the plan, and you're very wise for mentioning it. So 123 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: since the beginning of the Biden administration, their entire strategy 124 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 1: for dealing with the mass migration that they invited has 125 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:06,119 Speaker 1: been to accelerate its entry. Right hence like the secret 126 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 1: flights that we've all seen cover on Fox News and elsewhere. 127 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: So when they add bodies to the border, when they 128 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: add more personnel to the border, when they add more 129 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: facilities to the border, it's not for the purpose of repatriation, 130 00:07:18,680 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: i e. Deportation. It's for the purpose of getting people 131 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: here illegally and more quickly inside the country. And so 132 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: if you remember, going again back to when we had 133 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:32,360 Speaker 1: those images early on of people overflowing border patrol facilities, 134 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 1: their solution to that was not to get people back home, 135 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: which would have made the whole problem go away in 136 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 1: a few weeks. Their solution was to line up more 137 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: transportation to get those people more quickly to their city 138 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: of choice inside the United States. So that is going 139 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: to be their sole and entire strategy for the tsunami 140 00:07:53,200 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: legal immigration that is coming and building and growing. And 141 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,400 Speaker 1: to your point about asylum, and this is especially insidious. 142 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 1: So we know that these are not asylum seekers. Everybody 143 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: understands this. These are overwhelmingly economic migrants. And then there's also, 144 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: of course a portion of criminals, a portion of drug traffickers, 145 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: a portion of sex traffickers, etc. But that's your grouping. 146 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: These are not people that are with rare exceptions there 147 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: would mean any recognized definition of asylum. But if you 148 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: change the regulations, which they're doing to make it easier 149 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: for someone to get asylum and to allow them to 150 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 1: get that benefit far more quickly, you're minting new citizens 151 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 1: at the border when you're granted asylum. I don't know 152 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: if many people realize this. That doesn't mean, oh, you 153 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: get to live here. No, no, no no no. Asylum is 154 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:45,199 Speaker 1: a six year path to American citizenship. Once you're granted asylum, 155 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: you're immediately eligible for all federal benefits in the country. 156 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: Within a year of granting asylum, you're eligible for a 157 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: United States Green Car, which makes you a full permanent resident. 158 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: Five years after that, you can become a United States citizen. 159 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: So the goal here is to create any legal alien 160 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: to citizen pipeline. Stephen, you mentioned that you don't think 161 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: Biden will be the nominee, and that some element of 162 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: this is about the long game, not about any time 163 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: any current political calculus. Necessarily who's the nominee for the 164 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Democratic Party in your mind if you had to place 165 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 1: a bet right now in twenty twenty four. I don't 166 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 1: think that they know, which is part of the reason 167 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: why they are so panicky right now. I don't think 168 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: that they know because logic would say that it would 169 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,280 Speaker 1: have to be the Vice president, Kamala Harris, who has 170 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: arguably had the worst debut as a vice president since 171 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: anyone who's been keeping track of these things. She's the 172 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: only person who has somehow managed to be even less 173 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: articulate than Joe Biden. But if you were to say 174 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: you're go beyond Biden, you go beyond Harris, and you 175 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 1: look more broadly, I could see a situation where they 176 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 1: take a hard look, for example, at Gavin Newsom. Now, 177 00:09:56,840 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 1: you and I, if we were advising somebody running Scavin Newsom, 178 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: we could come up with a list of, you know, 179 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: five hundred lines of attack. But I think for them 180 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: they would always the next place they would go would be, Okay, 181 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: who are who are the governors of large Democrat states. 182 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: But I don't think they know who their nominee is 183 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: going to be right now. Do you think Hillary might 184 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: be the nominee? I think she would like to be. 185 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: I'm sure just whatever she may say publicly in her heart, 186 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: and I'm sure that she would like it. And there's 187 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: still obviously a pretty strong Clinton faction in the party. 188 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: I don't think that faction is strong enough to overcome 189 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: the AOC wing of the party. I could be wrong, obviously. 190 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: Obviously in Biden, they went with a throwback turned out 191 00:10:43,520 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: that he's the most radical leftist president in the history 192 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 1: of this country. But I don't know if they'll be 193 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 1: able to do another throwback candidate again. Do you think 194 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:57,440 Speaker 1: immigration Stephen could be an essential component of as we're 195 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: calling it, the election reckoning that we happens in twenty 196 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: twenty two. If the American people know about it, is 197 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: it high enough on the radar? Does it get enough 198 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 1: attention that this could be a critical piece of really 199 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: delivering a stinging rebuke to the Democrat leftists. I would 200 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,559 Speaker 1: go even further than that. I would say it's indispensable. 201 00:11:16,200 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: It's not only something that can give us a massive majority. 202 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: I think that if we want to win the size 203 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: of a majority, that we're going to need to repair 204 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 1: the damage that's been done over the last year plus. 205 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: You will be two years by then. We have to 206 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: put this as a central issue before voters. That's what 207 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:41,120 Speaker 1: gets you from a modest Republican majority to a historically 208 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: large Republican majority. And here's the other trick with this. 209 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: The reason why Democrats have gotten the way in the 210 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: past with illegal immigration. Of course, again what's happening now 211 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: has no comparison in history is because Republicans haven't played 212 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: the populist card against it. So their hope is that 213 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: they can keep their their share of the vote amongst 214 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 1: Latino voters and amongst other immigrant voting blocks, while then 215 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: continue to have large still legal immigration and Republicans we'll 216 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: just sort of do the Paul Ryan of oh Well 217 00:12:10,600 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 1: work for this too. Well. 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Jackson was officially introduced a 263 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 1: little bit over an hour ago at the White House, 264 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 1: and as part of the introduction, Joe Biden continued to 265 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: spread the fiction that what happened to Judge Jackson in 266 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: the Senate Judiciary Committee was somehow wildly inappropriate and unfair. 267 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 1: Here is Joe Biden talking about all of the vile 268 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 1: accusations that she had to handle. And when I decided 269 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: to run, this was one of the first decisions I made. 270 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:08,800 Speaker 1: I could see it. I could see it as a 271 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: day of hope, a day of promise, the day of progress, 272 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: a day when once again the moral arc at the universe, 273 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: says Barack used to quote all the time, bends a 274 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: little more toward justice. I knew it wouldn't be easy, 275 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: but I knew the person I nominated will be put 276 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: through a painful and difficult confirmation process. But I have 277 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: to tell you what Judge Jackson was put through was 278 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: well beyond that. It was verbal abuse, the anger, the 279 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: constant interruptions, the most vile, baseless assertions and accusations. In 280 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: the face of it all, Judge Jackson showed the incredible 281 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: character and integrity she possesses. Give me a foul break. 282 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: You gotta be kidding me, man, that's outrageous. It's worse. 283 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:03,479 Speaker 1: It was worse that abuse Clay. They accused Bret Cavanaugh 284 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: of being a serial gang rapist. Yeah, thirty years ago 285 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: with not weak evidence, zero evidence. And the only reason 286 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: this backfarm is because enough people figured out if they 287 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 1: could do this to Kavanaugh, they will do it to 288 00:16:16,200 --> 00:16:18,240 Speaker 1: your dad, They'll do it to your brother. They can 289 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: do it to anyone if it is within their power needs. 290 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just who could watch this like the 291 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: legal analysts CNN or almost like, Oh, it was so 292 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: hard what KBJ went through. They asked about her decisions. 293 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: Some of her decisions were really you know, didn't look 294 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: so good. Yeah, really questionable, And they asked her what 295 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 1: a woman is. No one said she's a horrible person 296 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: or a rapist or anything. Sorry, I just I mean, 297 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:47,440 Speaker 1: no drives me insane. You're one hundred percent right, I mean, 298 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: they called Judge Kavanaugh a serial rapist in front of 299 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: his two young daughters and his wife. They quizzed him 300 00:16:56,240 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: on specific lines from his high school year book. Buck 301 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: whatever you think about the questions that were asked of 302 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: Judge Jackson, they all had something to do with her 303 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: overall jurisprudence, and the idea that you could compare the 304 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 1: two in any way is a complete fiction. And honestly, 305 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: if you look at what happened with Amy Coney Barrett, 306 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,200 Speaker 1: it was more difficult than what happened to Judge Jackson. 307 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, they tried to turn Amy Coney Barrett into 308 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: What's the show with Elizabeth the where they all walk 309 00:17:33,080 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: around they have no Handmaid's Tale Handmaids Tale, haven't I 310 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: haven't either. I heard it's good, But they tried to 311 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: turn her into the Handmaid's Tale as if she was 312 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:48,800 Speaker 1: some total crazy zealot. If anything, I thought KBJ got 313 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:55,240 Speaker 1: held to a relatively relaxed standard all dealing directly with 314 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: her jurisprudence as a judge. As we know, being a 315 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: woman who is attractive, accomplished, happily, married with many kids 316 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:06,960 Speaker 1: makes you a zealots. Yes, makes you a zealot. That's 317 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: what the left thinks. There's an ongoing conversation in this 318 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: country and how we identify ourselves. There's such a movement 319 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: to identify ourselves by race, class, sex, So a lot 320 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,640 Speaker 1: of people are forgetting to identify as Americans. 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You'll learn about 330 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: topics like the history of citizenship, the deep state, even 331 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,679 Speaker 1: the great Reset. Go to Clay and Buck for Hillsdale 332 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: dot com. That's Clay and Buck for Hillsdale dot com. 333 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: Welcome back, Clay and Buck here with all of you, 334 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:12,120 Speaker 1: and we got some breaking news for you. You'll remember 335 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 1: earlier in the week we told you that there was 336 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: the first Capitol Hill defendant from January sixth who was 337 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 1: found not guilty, and it was because Capitol Hill police 338 00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:27,160 Speaker 1: at least it was plausible. According to the judge that 339 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: he was waved in by Capitol police. They said, come 340 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: this way, sir. He didn't destroy anything, didn't attack anyone, 341 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: so he was not guilty on all charges. So usually 342 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: government I bring us up just because the government doesn't 343 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 1: usually lose these kinds of cases. I mean, when the 344 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: federal government decides that you're going down and you go 345 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: to trial. Just understand what Clay, correct me if this 346 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: is off. It's something like this, right, About ninety eight 347 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,719 Speaker 1: percent of cases at the federal level are plea bargained, right, 348 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: so about ninety eight percent of them never even see 349 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,399 Speaker 1: the inside of a court. And then I don't know 350 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 1: what the stats are, but I know the federal government 351 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: wins a vast majority of the federal cases that criminal 352 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: cases that it brings, right, no doubt it is. The 353 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: Feds do not lose very often. And that's partly because 354 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 1: they have the resources to bring to bear on these 355 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: cases that are infinitely more committed, and also they tend 356 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: to bring charges in cases that they feel very confident about. 357 00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 1: So with that in mind, what just is happening in 358 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,000 Speaker 1: Michigan and this has just come out, so we're just 359 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 1: giving you breaking news here. I'm reading from Julie Kelly, 360 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: who we've had on the show before, to talk about 361 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: the January sixth defendants, the jury and the Whitmer trial. 362 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: This is the kidnapping case in Michigan. If you guys remember, 363 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: it received a ton of attention the idea that these 364 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: right wing zealots were attempting to kidnap Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. 365 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,680 Speaker 1: They have been unable to reach a full verdict on 366 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: a lot of these charges, but many of them are 367 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: coming back now not guilty. And I'm reading from Julie Kelly, 368 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 1: the alleged ring leader of the kidnapping trial. They couldn't 369 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: reach a verdict on conspiracy, even conspiracy to kidnapped one 370 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: of the offendants. Not guilty on kidnapping. Also in terms 371 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:17,400 Speaker 1: of gun charges, not guilty on the gun charges. So 372 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 1: what is appearing to be the verdict of this jury 373 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: is that effectively they bought the argument that the FBI 374 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 1: had entrapped these men to a large extent. Again, based 375 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: on what is just coming down the verdict in the 376 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: Michigan Governor Whitmer kidnapping case, it appears that many of 377 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,879 Speaker 1: these jurors have bought the idea that the FBI was 378 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: in trapping these guys, and this is going to be 379 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,640 Speaker 1: a big story, and I bet come Monday we'll talk 380 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: about it in greater detail. But this is the final 381 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, twenty minutes of the show. This number the 382 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: details just coming down. This is from last summer from 383 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: BuzzFeed News. An examination of the evidence in the case 384 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: by BuzzFeed reveals some of those informants acting under the 385 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: direction of the FBI played a far larger role than 386 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: had been previously reported. Working in secret, they did more 387 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: than just passively observe and report on the actions of 388 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 1: the suspects. Instead, they had a hand in nearly every 389 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: aspect of the alleged plot, starting with its inception. The 390 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:24,239 Speaker 1: extent of their involvement raises questions as to whether there 391 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: would have even been a conspiracy without them. For BuzzFeed 392 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: to write this, because remember, folks, in the early days 393 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: of this Gretchen Whitmer was the was an extreme lockdowner. Okay, 394 00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: she was one of the worst Fauciite disciples. Literally had 395 00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: a Fauci pillow behind her during cable news hits to 396 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 1: show how much she worshiped Saint Fauci. Clay right, I'm 397 00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:54,320 Speaker 1: not that is one hundred percent fact. She had a 398 00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: faucy crocheted pillow behind her. And then the news of 399 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: this story of the kidnapping of Gretchen Whittmer by by 400 00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: right wing radicals, it turns out actually their politics were 401 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: even far murkier and less clearer than that. But it 402 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: immediately turned into anybody who opposes Gretchen Whitmer is one 403 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: of these right wing radical insurrectionist trumpers. Right. They used 404 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 1: it as this attack on the right. So the left 405 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: piled on these guys right away and said that it 406 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: was Trump's fault that people are threatening violence, not even 407 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: threatening violence, plotting violence against the sitting governor of Michigan, 408 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: all this stuff, And then when the actual evidence came out, 409 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 1: it was just a very different case and that clearly 410 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 1: two of these guys were found not guilty, not guilt charges. Yeah, 411 00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: and that's a huge just just from a prosecutorial standpoint, 412 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: Clay right, like that is this is what a prosecutor, 413 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 1: federal prosecutor's nightmare to lose a case like this well, 414 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,360 Speaker 1: and it also makes it hard buck to bring additional 415 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 1: charges in a future case because you just lost two 416 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 1: of the people that were involved in your case or 417 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: not guilty. So how are you going to prove that 418 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: the other two guys are guilty? We've actually got she's 419 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: done a great job covering this, Julie. Kelly just called in. 420 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:10,800 Speaker 1: She's been great at helping to defend some of these 421 00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: people in January sixth and tell their story. Julie, we're 422 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 1: trying to contextualize exactly what happened. We appreciate you being 423 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: flexible because we saw you tweeting all about it. What 424 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 1: happened in this Whitmer trial in the last thirty minutes 425 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:30,320 Speaker 1: or so? What is the jury officially determined? The jury 426 00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: in Red Rapids that hand down a single conviction in 427 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: the alleged kidnapping pot to kidnap gret to Whitmer in 428 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 1: twenty twenty. You has four men who faced numerous federal 429 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: charges and including a charge that would have landed them 430 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: in prison for the rest of their lives conspiracy to kidnaps. 431 00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: They also were charged with conspiracy to use a weapon 432 00:24:56,040 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: of mass destruction. Not a single conviction. Two men were 433 00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: completely acquitted. The other two men, including the alleged ringleader 434 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: Adam A. Fox, the jury was deadlocked. On their guilt, 435 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: so the judge declared a mistrial on their two cases. 436 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 1: This is It's hard to overstate what a stunning blow 437 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: this is for the US Department of Justice, A well 438 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: deserved blow. And I'm telling you play in books. Some 439 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,920 Speaker 1: people need to answer for what they did to be 440 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: not just to these men, but to the American people 441 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,240 Speaker 1: by arresting these men, blaming this concocted plot on Donald 442 00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: Trump and producing all these damaging headlines for him as 443 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: millions of Americans were voting in the twenty twenty presidential election. 444 00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 1: This is, as I tweeted earlier, a bigger scandal than Russia. Eight. 445 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: This is yet another example, a more flagrant and possibly 446 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: far more damaging example, of the FBI once again interfering 447 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,240 Speaker 1: presidential election to sabotage Donald Trump. Julie, can you just 448 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: tell us thanks for being with us a buck? Can 449 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 1: you tell us some of the I read just an 450 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: excerpt from I Think it was last summer where even 451 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,920 Speaker 1: the Democrat Lib media started to say, yeah, this Whitmer 452 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 1: case is actually a little shakier than perhaps we had anticipated, 453 00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: or you know whatever, right doesn't matter. They're obviously trying 454 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: to come up with a certain narrative. What sort of 455 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: things were these informants? I mean, why did this case 456 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: fall apart? Essentially? Well, I really have to credit this 457 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: judge and this jury. They took almost five days to 458 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: very carefully deliberate all of the evidence before them. And 459 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: I'll tell you the judge who I really liked, especially 460 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: after listening to deec District court judges. I don't want 461 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: to say concealed, but he ruled with on behalf of 462 00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 1: the government. A number of cases that withheld really agreed 463 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: because examples of how the FBI agents and their informants 464 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,360 Speaker 1: were putting this whole plot together and trapping these men, 465 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: inducing them to try to commit crimes. But there were 466 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:16,719 Speaker 1: at least a dozen FBI agents and undercover agents and 467 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 1: informants involved in this. You basically had one FBI asset 468 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,160 Speaker 1: per defendant. There are also men who face state charges there. 469 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 1: These men didn't even know each other before the FBI 470 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 1: got involved. They were going on excursions and trips that 471 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,400 Speaker 1: were planned by the FBI that were paid for by 472 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: the FBI. The lead informant, a man named Dan Chappell, 473 00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: was paid at least compensated at least sixty thousand dollars 474 00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 1: from the FBI. The other informant is a convicted felon 475 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: with a rap sheet and nine states who committed at 476 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,760 Speaker 1: least two other crimes, but he was paid about twenty 477 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:57,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars from this FBI. I mean, you, guys, if 478 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: you had the best fiction writer in the world, you 479 00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: could not right up the corruption, the scandal, and really 480 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 1: just the depravity of this FBI operation that spanned several states. 481 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:14,240 Speaker 1: By the way, it wasn't just in Michigan. THISBI field 482 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: office is in numerous states. Julie, I appreciate again you 483 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,199 Speaker 1: coming on with us in a quick notice. Here is 484 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: this story is just broken. The other thing to keep 485 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: in mind is Gretchen Whitmer is up for reelection in 486 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,640 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and there's some talk that she could 487 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,920 Speaker 1: potentially be a contender in twenty twenty four if Joe 488 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Biden is not running. This is going to be a 489 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 1: significant campaign issue, I would think in the state of Michigan, 490 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: because she gained a lot of sympathy over this coverage, 491 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: the idea that someone was trying to kidnap her, and 492 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: now all this evidence has come out and a jury 493 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: in Michigan has determined that there wasn't a crime committed 494 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: at all by any of these four men so far. 495 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And you know that Gretchen Whitmer, if 496 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 1: you rewind back to twenty twenty, think about two years ago, 497 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: she and Donald Trump were in a very public feud 498 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,960 Speaker 1: about her continuation of these very draconium lockdown policies in 499 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: her state. So they were very vocal opponents of each other. 500 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: So the question is what did Gretchen Whitmer know? What 501 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:26,080 Speaker 1: was her complicity in this FBI sting operation. What came 502 00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: out in a trial is that the FBI had pulled 503 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 1: cameras and other laser devices around her cottage, which is 504 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 1: where the kidnapping was supposed to occur. They already had 505 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: her cottage under surveillance. She was not under any danger 506 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,440 Speaker 1: at any time, yet she did weeks of days, There 507 00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: are a few weeks of interviews in October of twenty twenty, 508 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,920 Speaker 1: blaming Donald Trump for this, inciting right wing militias who 509 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: wanted to kidnap and possibly kill her. These are the 510 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,480 Speaker 1: sorts of things she was saying, is people were voting. 511 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: We need to find out what she knew, how much 512 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,520 Speaker 1: of a part of this sting operation she was actually 513 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: a part of. Julie Kelly was fantastic. One good thing. 514 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: Julie just wanted to know if you'd weigh in for 515 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 1: a minute on the Matthew Martin of January sixth, that 516 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: prosecution he was acquided earlier this week. I just wanted 517 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: you to tell us about that. Can we just take 518 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 1: a quick moment in bask in some good news as 519 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,200 Speaker 1: far as the American justice system this week, because we 520 00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: haven't had any in years. And so Matthew Martin, charged 521 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: with the foremost time in misdemeanors related to January sixth. 522 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 1: He opted for a bench travel before Trevor McFadden, who's 523 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 1: a Trump appointee and basically the judge after Matthew Martin's 524 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,959 Speaker 1: testimony included that yes, he had been waved into the building, 525 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: but more than that, you had for the first time 526 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: a US Capital Police official testifying under oath that they 527 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 1: indeed stood by and allowed people into the building. They 528 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: claimed they were overwhelmed, they couldn't prevent them from coming in, 529 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,560 Speaker 1: so they just did to make sure no one was hurt. 530 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: This has huge consequences and Jack defendant today retracted his 531 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: Glee deal on these same charges based on what happened 532 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: in court this week. So a sort of a game 533 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: changer for a lot of these cases. Yeah, quite quite 534 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: an insurrection when Capitol Hill police are saying, right this way, 535 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,920 Speaker 1: go into this go into this room please. Julie, thanks 536 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: so much for being with us and all your work 537 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: on this. We appreciate. 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Maybe you 562 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 1: need something to listen to for a long drive or 563 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: a long trip. You can search out the Clay and 564 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,760 Speaker 1: Buck Show. Help us set a new record in April 565 00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: for listenership on the podcast again. A little bit of 566 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 1: a tease. Big City going to join the Clay and 567 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 1: Buck Cavalcade come Monday. We're excited to announce a new 568 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 1: big city that we were not on prior that we 569 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 1: will be on in Monday. We'll tell you where that is. 570 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,320 Speaker 1: Are we going to be number one in that new 571 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: big city? Because I'm gonna put a marker down here. 572 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:10,959 Speaker 1: Just give us some time. We will be Just give 573 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: us some hope. I hope we're going to be number one. 574 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 1: Just to reiterate, we're number one right now. I believe 575 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,680 Speaker 1: in eleven cities all over the country. This is a 576 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: big city. It's a big radio station like to be 577 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,280 Speaker 1: number one in this market too. And I think we're 578 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: gonna be like Mana from heaven for many people who 579 00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: are living in this city. I'll just say that in advance, 580 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,680 Speaker 1: so we're excited to announce that come Monday. Our thanks, 581 00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:33,720 Speaker 1: by the way, to Julie Kelly. This is a big story, Buck, 582 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: This is a really big story that all of you 583 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:42,520 Speaker 1: heard about the kidnapping attempt on Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer. 584 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: It was a massive story. As Julie Kelly was laying out, 585 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:50,160 Speaker 1: the FBI basically entrapped to these guys. Two of them 586 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 1: have been found not guilty. The other two the jury 587 00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 1: couldn't reach a verdict, meaning they were deadlocked. Buck, I 588 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,360 Speaker 1: don't know how the government is going to be able 589 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:03,200 Speaker 1: to bring the charges against the two guys that have 590 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: not had a verdict rendered against them yet because the 591 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: other two guys got the not guilty verdict. It's going 592 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,600 Speaker 1: to be much harder to convict the two guys and say, well, 593 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: if the other two were not guilty of a conspiracy, 594 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: how do you have a conspiracy of the other two? Right? 595 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, so, I don't even know what the government 596 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: is going to decide to do here. It starts to 597 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 1: look like persecution when you have four people accused too 598 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: not guilty, too hung jury and then you go back 599 00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: as the federal whether it is or not, by the way, 600 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm whether they're guilty or not irrelevant, I'm talking about 601 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,480 Speaker 1: the optics of it. It looks like the federal government 602 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: is decided to keep going and going after certain people 603 00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 1: and what is obviously hey, and by the way, this 604 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:43,839 Speaker 1: is not it's one thing. I'm talking about the federal 605 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 1: government losing a case over you know, some kind of 606 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:50,239 Speaker 1: wildlife regulation issue or you know what I mean, if 607 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,200 Speaker 1: the some something kind of minor or that you know, 608 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 1: somebody could have gone to jail for for a year. 609 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,160 Speaker 1: These guys were facing life in federal prison for this. 610 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: So the fact that they went with is this it's 611 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: rare to see something and to be fair, the Capitol 612 00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:06,919 Speaker 1: Hill guy. That's a big I'm so glad Julie brought 613 00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: that up. That's a big difference in terms of the narrative. 614 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,160 Speaker 1: And it establishes that there were people who were waved 615 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,200 Speaker 1: in by the Capitol Hill police, but he was facing 616 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,440 Speaker 1: misdemeanor charges. Now who's probably horribly treated and all the 617 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: rest of it. And that's why we like to talk 618 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 1: to you about these cases so that the word gets out. 619 00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,919 Speaker 1: But these guys are facing life in prison, and two 620 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: of them, you know, and you gotta think also. I mean, 621 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:31,839 Speaker 1: you know when you look at these kinds of these 622 00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: kinds of charges the federal government, they had all kinds 623 00:35:36,040 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 1: of wire taps, Clay, I mean, this is very similar 624 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,439 Speaker 1: to the kind of terrorism cases. I used to work 625 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:44,319 Speaker 1: for the NYPD for the Intelligence Division, and you know, 626 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,480 Speaker 1: you'd have wire tapping, text messaging, emails, all this stuff, 627 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,880 Speaker 1: with all of that documentary evidence, which they wouldn't go 628 00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: to trial without. That's why you have these informants there 629 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 1: to get all that stuff right. They still couldn't make 630 00:35:55,360 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: it stick. Could have significant consequences in the Michigan governor's 631 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,480 Speaker 1: race because, as Julie Kelly noted, what did Michigan Governor 632 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: Gretchen Whitmer, who, let's be fair, tried to portray herself 633 00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: as a victim of a horribly dangerous and deadly potential 634 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 1: kidnapping and that get gained her a great deal of 635 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: sympathy in her state, and during the presidential campaign she 636 00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,520 Speaker 1: blamed Trump for these guys behavior, which now two out 637 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: of the four of them have been found not to 638 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,319 Speaker 1: be criminal at all. This is a major collapse and 639 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,080 Speaker 1: lost for the Department of SATs. I think the Biden 640 00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,480 Speaker 1: DJ is a little jealous about all the hate that 641 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,880 Speaker 1: the CDC has been getting from being wrong about everything. 642 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: So like no, no, the bidendoj, we're the worst three 643 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,880 Speaker 1: letter agency. Just wait to see. I will do something 644 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,840 Speaker 1: dumbass next week. Don't worry. Have fun down in Palm Beach. 645 00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: I'll be up here in Nashville. Will both be with 646 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,000 Speaker 1: you come Monday to make sanity and they do have 647 00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:57,760 Speaker 1: free at Saxby's Clay or Zasby's. Next time you're in Nashville, 648 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: we will go to Zaxby's and you will taste the 649 00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: incredible zach sauce and the chicken tenders. Thanks for hanging 650 00:37:03,040 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 1: with us all week. Play Travis and buck Sexton on 651 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth