WEBVTT - Angus, Thongs, and Perfect Snogging with Kate Cheka 0:00:00.960 --> 0:00:04.000 On the Bechdelcast. The questions ask if movies have. 0:00:04.080 --> 0:00:07.920 Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 0:00:08.039 --> 0:00:12.440 or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn bast 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.720 start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.120 Hello, listeners, Just a reminder about our upcoming shows starting 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.560 in a couple weeks. First, a show in Los Angeles 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.240 on January nineteenth. This is a Bechdel Cast celebration. 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There's still a few left, 0:01:31.360 --> 0:01:34.400 but you know, get them now while you still can. 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.360 But this show is also being live streamed, so you 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:42.320 can watch from anywhere in the world, and same deal 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:45.400 as the other live stream show, you can watch for 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:48.320 one week after if you buy a live stream ticket. 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.080 So those are the shows. They will all have meet 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:56.279 and greets with myself and Jamie afterward we sell exclusive merch. 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.200 All the tickets can be found at link Tree Bechdel Cast, 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:08.720 so we'll see you there and enjoy this episode. Dear 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:11.680 Diary slash, Dear Jamie. 0:02:11.720 --> 0:02:14.200 Hi, Caitlyn, it's me your diary. Y. 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:20.880 Yeah, I love my cat angus and I love boys. 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.040 And that sounds probably like that's it pretty much. I 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.440 would not want to hear about you having any sort 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:32.040 of hobby or interests that would suck. Oh thank god. Okay, Well, 0:02:32.120 --> 0:02:34.760 I mean Kat is Angus is a hobby. Angus seems 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:35.680 like a full time job. 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:39.760 He's a fully developed character as far as I'm concerned. 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.360 He's a piece of work. He's a real piece of work. 0:02:42.560 --> 0:02:48.240 He's the protagonist. Yeah, I mean the titular tituler. Yeah. 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:51.240 I don't know what cat actor they had on this, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.440 but what a star? Whoa he was taking direction? I 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.040 don't think that. I mean, I'm sure that there was 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.080 like a fake cat in there at some point, but 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.880 it seemed like he was really owning the space. 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:06.880 Yeah, every thing I saw on screen that resembled a 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:08.119 cat seemed like a real cat. 0:03:08.200 --> 0:03:10.560 It was that cat. And it's I like, I, you know, 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:13.080 we've talked about animal acting on the show before, and like, 0:03:13.080 --> 0:03:16.799 what are the ethics of it? And then occasionally there's 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:19.720 a born star and you're just like, I'm not going 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.080 to tell that guy to get off stage. He clearly 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:22.800 belongs there. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.760 A star is born and it's not Lady Gaga. It 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.400 is Angus. 0:03:27.520 --> 0:03:30.480 The cat cat rip to him maybe is kind of 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:31.160 an old movie. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:36.920 Ooh, sad, but come to the cat. Sad but true, Yes, 0:03:36.960 --> 0:03:38.400 welcome My name is Caitlin Deronte. 0:03:38.720 --> 0:03:41.440 My name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:44.440 where we talk about your favorite movies using an intersectional 0:03:44.480 --> 0:03:47.680 feminist lens, using the Bechdel test as a jumping off 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:51.960 point for discussion. But Caitlin, what the hell is that? 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:52.400 Oh? 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:55.200 We didn't. I think the whole beginning of it, for example, 0:03:55.280 --> 0:03:58.400 didn't pass because we were talking about the Kale cat. 0:03:58.520 --> 0:04:01.720 Well, cats don't have gen or so I think talking 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:04.960 about a cat is not talking about a man, a 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:06.880 human man. I think that would say. 0:04:06.960 --> 0:04:09.440 I do think that Angus has a very masculine energy. 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.760 Well, he is intense, but he's also so freaking chill. 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:17.560 Did you see the scene where the little sister's putting 0:04:17.560 --> 0:04:19.240 spaghetti on his head. 0:04:19.440 --> 0:04:21.320 And that was the real cat? I was like, yeah, 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:25.280 how was this real cat like spaghetti trained? You're like, 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:30.719 what the hell? And yeah, he does like et also 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:34.840 very gender fluid with the dress. Yes, wears all sorts 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:36.400 of outfits. Okay, okay, point taking. 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:39.680 And Georgia, the main character is always like stop dressing 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:41.040 Angus and drag. 0:04:41.240 --> 0:04:43.240 Well, Georgia has a lot of issues with gender that 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.960 we'll get to. Georgia has to answer for her crimes 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.160 and it's like leave angus out of it. Yeah, so 0:04:48.200 --> 0:04:49.800 that did pass the Bechtel test. Yeah. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.000 And when you say that, what do you mean? Oh, 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:55.080 it's just a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.200 There are many versions of the tests. The one that 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.560 we use is do two characters of a mo originalized 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.440 gender have names? Do they speak to each other? And 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:07.800 is it about something other than a man for two 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:12.560 lines of dialogue or a like substantial meatia conversation. So 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:16.120 that's the Bechdel test. We will I'm not really sure 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:16.719 about this one. 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.680 We'll get there, but yeah, I think it's a softy 0:05:20.680 --> 0:05:22.960 as but not as much as you'd want. Yes, all 0:05:23.000 --> 0:05:23.800 things considered. 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:27.360 Also, I want to point out listeners that we are 0:05:27.520 --> 0:05:30.800 recording in person for the first time in ages. 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.279 It's weird because we have a guest visiting us all 0:05:34.320 --> 0:05:37.960 the way from the UK. Ever heard of it? 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:42.560 And stare We're all like breathing the same air right now, 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:45.080 and so let's bring her in. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:46.200 She's a comedian. 0:05:46.360 --> 0:05:50.000 You may have seen her at our live Shrek Tannic 0:05:50.520 --> 0:05:54.640 show in Manchester, UK. Ever heard of that? 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:59.920 It's Kate cheka, welcome, Thank you for having me. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:02.200 Wow, you really had to like sit through us doing 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:03.400 that whole thing, didn't you. 0:06:03.760 --> 0:06:04.880 I really enjoyed it there. 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.479 This is why I flew all the way for it 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.040 to be live, because you don't get that, you. 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.080 Don't get that same experience, right, Yeah, I. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.440 Was like, I need to be in the room for that. 0:06:15.279 --> 0:06:18.120 Life's just many experiences stats on top of each other, 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:19.240 and that was one of them. 0:06:19.640 --> 0:06:24.800 Well, you're welcome, very judicious, Thank you so much for 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:29.039 being here. Caitlin's living room. Yeah, here we are. Yeah, 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.320 what a day. What a day. And we're also recording 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:38.000 this the day before the American election, so we're to be. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:41.440 Because you'll probably be listening to this listeners in January. 0:06:41.920 --> 0:06:44.280 Yeah, so the moth might have ended. 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.720 Yeah, you might never actually be in the revolution at 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:52.680 that point. Yeah. Yeah, so if you're listening from the 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:58.159 from the front lines of the revolution, Hello and thank you. 0:06:58.200 --> 0:06:58.760 Feel sady. 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:03.320 Here are our thoughts about it, Angus perfect snaring. 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:05.720 About a movie work twenty years ago. 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:09.800 Maybe this movie is so interesting, Yes we are. This 0:07:09.840 --> 0:07:12.040 is a very common request on the movie. I feel 0:07:12.040 --> 0:07:15.400 like it is a like millennial, like late millennial. Maybe 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.960 earlier gen Z Staple movie, So I want to know 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.640 what everyone's history. Yeah, okay, kid. 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:24.920 So I got the books, but not the first one. 0:07:24.960 --> 0:07:28.280 Someone gave me like the fourth book in the sequence 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.360 of books as a present when I was like twelve, 0:07:32.000 --> 0:07:34.440 and I thought it was the funniest thing I'd. 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:35.400 Ever read in my hold. 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:37.640 Like it was just I remember like bringing it to school, 0:07:37.680 --> 0:07:40.960 like reading it during reading time in class and like laughing, 0:07:40.960 --> 0:07:41.720 and all my friends. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.280 But why is she laughing so much? 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:44.880 And then they'd read it and be like, I don't 0:07:44.920 --> 0:07:46.520 even think it's that funny, but I thought it was 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.840 so funny. Yeah, and then I think I read the books, 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.800 and then I anticipated the movie because I loved the books, Okay, and. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.000 Then I don't remember the movie that well. 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.680 I definitely saw it, but I think I was like, 0:07:57.920 --> 0:07:59.200 you know when you read the books and you're like, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:07:59.960 it's not the books. 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:01.960 The book is better. 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:02.920 The book is better. 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:08.640 My imagination's wondrous fast and you could never do what 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:12.000 I can do in my mind, of course, of course, 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:17.640 you know, but yeah, so, but I just adored the books. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:18.280 Okay. 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:20.480 Did you ever go back and like read the first one? 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:20.800 Yeah? 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.400 Yeah, I know, I re read them all again. But 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:27.080 then at some point I aged out of them before 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:31.520 they've been finished being written, because there's ten in total. 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:32.640 There's so many more. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.600 I aged out and I got to the point where 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.120 I couldn't read them, but I wanted to, Okay, And 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:40.840 then some one time, a fourteen year old or like child, 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.320 not a child, a fourteen year old air teenage they 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:45.480 like offered me like, do you want to borrow my ones? 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:47.440 And I really wanted to, but I was too embarrassed 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:47.800 to see it. 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:50.800 Yeah, that always takes to me so sad, Like the 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.440 first time I remember like turning away a ya classic 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:58.280 because I'm like, I'm over it, I'm over it. Why Yeah, yeah, 0:08:58.559 --> 0:08:59.920 you hate to see it. But a day comes for 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:00.640 us all. 0:09:01.800 --> 0:09:05.960 And then you can get you just know a young adults. 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:09.079 Now let me just go to be like I'm at today. 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:09.959 I grew up. 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:14.840 I've just come of age too much and I'm over this. 0:09:15.160 --> 0:09:17.920 Yeah, but now I would read them again, and now 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.600 I maybe will after this, I think I'm gonna Kaitlyn. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:25.240 Did Kaitlyn Kaitlyn, who vows to never read a book 0:09:25.360 --> 0:09:29.200 on the show regularly hate read a book. 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:33.720 Well, let's be honest, I had an e book be 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:34.800 read to me. 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.960 Oh, okay, this would be I mean, I feel like, 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.040 if I'm remembering the cadence of the books, that it 0:09:40.080 --> 0:09:41.120 would be a fun listen. 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:43.360 Yeah, especially when you listen to it on like two 0:09:43.440 --> 0:09:49.360 times speed. It really makes it go nicely. So yeah, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.600 my history with this, so I did read the first book. 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.840 I don't think I read beyond that first one and 0:09:54.960 --> 0:09:58.640 didn't even know there were more than two books, So 0:09:58.880 --> 0:09:59.480 my bad. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.800 Can is wild. Yeah, I think I got to three. 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:07.440 Okay, I yeah, I got to the first two, I believe, 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.559 and I read them when I was already too old, 0:10:10.640 --> 0:10:13.719 so this would have been the mid two thousand. I 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:15.760 think I was still in high school. I did the 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.040 same thing with Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, where I 0:10:19.240 --> 0:10:22.920 read these books that were geared toward a demographic that 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:24.800 was like maybe two or three years younger than me. 0:10:25.240 --> 0:10:29.080 They were more for like eleven, twelve, thirteen year olds, 0:10:29.080 --> 0:10:32.920 and I was like fifteen, and I was like, I've 0:10:32.920 --> 0:10:36.120 already kissed the boys and I've touched a penis at 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:39.880 this point. So these little a loser, these little babies 0:10:39.920 --> 0:10:43.640 who were still having their first kiss. I can't relate 0:10:43.720 --> 0:10:45.600 but for some reason I still read these books. I 0:10:45.600 --> 0:10:48.440 think I thought that angus thongs and full frontal snogging 0:10:48.520 --> 0:10:52.200 was funny. I liked her sense of humor, and so 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.720 I guess that's why I kept reading. Like I finished 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:57.080 that book and I read onto the second one. But 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.600 by the time the movie came out, which was two 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:02.520 thousand and eight, I had fully aged out of the 0:11:02.559 --> 0:11:04.559 whole thing, and so I didn't see the movie until 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:07.079 we started prepping for the episode. 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.400 Oh wow, yeah, same same. I read the I read 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:14.600 I think the first three books. I loved diary style 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:16.000 books when I was a kid. I feel like this 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:18.640 was like probably a series I would have picked up 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.320 when I ran out of Princess Diaries books to read, 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.719 which were like other I just like love them and 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.720 you're like, oh, it's kind of like British Princess Diaries. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:29.320 And I also knew I don't know. I was very like, wow, 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:32.800 she was using all these words I've never heard of. 0:11:33.559 --> 0:11:38.160 I loved the slang and these books. I flagg, slaggy, lindsay. 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:40.200 I had to look up what slag was. 0:11:40.800 --> 0:11:44.240 Whoa I know, we don't know over, you don't say slag. 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.720 We don't know what it means it's like slut. 0:11:46.840 --> 0:11:49.120 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of but yeah, like I 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:51.680 had to, like, I think, if I'm remembering qurectly or 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.760 maybe like came at the Scholastic book fair or something, 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.280 you would get like a little glossary to be like, 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.480 if you're American, here's what they're talking about. 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:02.000 Yes, I did think that I did have gloceries in them. 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.600 Yeah, and it was very helpful and I tried to 0:12:05.600 --> 0:12:09.200 integrate it into my like daily word usage and all 0:12:09.200 --> 0:12:14.319 my friends were like, shut up, nerdy is not a thing. 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.240 Oh, you tried to make it happen. 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:19.680 I was really trying to make it hatt. 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:19.920 Yeah. 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.920 I was Gretchen Wiener's style, like trying to make thatch happen. 0:12:23.000 --> 0:12:26.440 Yeah, trying to make British slang app was not. 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.240 I was always trying to like get the slang from 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:32.680 Angustong's in full frontal snogging and also just random Gilmore 0:12:32.679 --> 0:12:35.959 Girls references I didn't fully understand and just eke them 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:39.520 into conversation and other twelve year olds were like, shut 0:12:39.559 --> 0:12:44.160 the fuck up. Anyways, I enjoyed these books, but I 0:12:44.200 --> 0:12:46.120 also did not see the movie because I think I 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:47.480 was in high school when it came out and I 0:12:47.520 --> 0:12:49.120 was like, I'm not going to see it. And also 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:52.679 I didn't realize this is a Nickelodeon movie, which I 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.559 feel like as I was watching it felt it really 0:12:55.600 --> 0:12:59.040 felt like a Nickelodeon movie. So I think I missed 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.640 this one because I was probably like, I'm you know, 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:05.280 I'm fifteen, I'm tootle when it's like I should have 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:05.800 just seen it. 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:08.640 Then Okay, I've got a question. What's the feel of 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:10.280 a Nickelodeon movie. 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:13.959 It's very I think I said this one yesterday. It's 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:19.360 very like boying like, it's very like it's like what 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:22.000 I feel like, it's weird. It's weird that this is 0:13:22.040 --> 0:13:25.600 like a movie or like a story about like coming 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.400 of age and adolescence that I feel like normally would 0:13:28.440 --> 0:13:31.959 be treated with like some sense sensitivity. But it's like 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:34.520 they sort of the parents are written in the movie 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.480 to feel more like sitcom parents than I remember them 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.040 in the book. They it just feels like a Nickelodeon 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:43.160 sitcom at certain places, it does, but I think that 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:44.360 the books. 0:13:44.760 --> 0:13:47.840 I think that it actually pretty accurately reflects the tone 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:48.760 of the act. 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.400 Having just reread it, it's interesting, Well. 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.640 She spends a lot of the book talking about how 0:13:55.720 --> 0:13:58.880 much she hates her parents and especially her dad. Yeah 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:02.520 so and she like, oh, they're so corny blah blah blah. 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.440 But it's also like, if you're adapting the book, you 0:14:05.440 --> 0:14:08.559 should probably assume that Georgia's words are to be taken 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.760 with a grain of salt, because everyone like you shouldn't 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.800 just adapt a twelve year old characterization of their parents 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:17.680 and be like, here are these fucking weird losers. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.840 You're just like, whoa, oh, maybe we should do that 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.080 whole Maybe that's what everything's lacking. 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.520 That's true, It's true. We have to get more twelve 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:26.480 year olds in the writers. 0:14:26.760 --> 0:14:30.200 Yes, we're not digging the opinions of twelve year old seriously. 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.160 I mean that probably is true. But yeah, I guess 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:35.760 that's what I mean. When it felt it felt like 0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.640 Nickelodeon movie like snow Day and like other ones that 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:41.240 were just like kind of edgier kids movies. 0:14:42.080 --> 0:14:43.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a question. 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.520 Was the book called Anger Songs and Perfect Snugging here? No, 0:14:47.720 --> 0:14:49.720 it was called full frontal Snogging here. 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:52.320 Yeah. I'm just assuming they didn't want full frontal as 0:14:52.360 --> 0:14:54.880 a name for a kid's movie, which I could understand. 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.880 I remember reading this is Gonna be I remember reading 0:14:57.880 --> 0:15:00.600 an art school about how this music movie was developed. 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.720 Oh wow, yes, in like some kind of teenage magazine 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.440 work an article with the director, and they said it 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:08.400 was a nightmare to try and get filming permission in 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:12.680 locations with the title full frontal snogging because everyone thought 0:15:12.680 --> 0:15:13.920 they were filming a porn movie. 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:17.200 I mean, it does sound. 0:15:16.320 --> 0:15:19.920 To change the name to get permission to film in 0:15:19.960 --> 0:15:21.000 these locations. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:24.920 Yeah, that makes sense. I was reading that the book 0:15:25.560 --> 0:15:28.400 is I wouldn't have guessed this, but it's like frequently 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:34.440 on banned books because of George's disrespect for authority. 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:41.080 And that's respect for other people, would reason. 0:15:41.440 --> 0:15:43.440 Yeah, and then and then some of the and then 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:44.720 some of the homophobia, right. 0:15:44.800 --> 0:15:48.240 Yeah, well it's more like just references to lgbt Q 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.480 plus people at all, rather than like the homophobia itself. 0:15:52.880 --> 0:15:56.359 And then just like you know, references to like sexual 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:59.800 like Christian Yeah, yeah, because most of what book banning 0:15:59.880 --> 0:16:04.880 is is like, yes, conservative agenda, like crystal fascists, weirdos. 0:16:05.960 --> 0:16:08.520 You know, let's take a quick break and then we'll 0:16:08.520 --> 0:16:22.400 come back for the recap, shall we, And we're back, 0:16:22.840 --> 0:16:28.800 and here's the recap for angus songs and perfect snogging. Sorry, 0:16:28.880 --> 0:16:32.040 I'm gonna do that and it's going to be offensive, 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:33.080 but I won't be. 0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:36.640 Able to stop. Okay we are. 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:41.440 We're in Eastbourne, UK, Eastbourn, Eastbourne, which is funny enough, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:42.720 where my mother was born and. 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:46.240 Where is it in relation to the only place I 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:46.880 know London? 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.560 So if you go straight down from London, it's Brighton, 0:16:50.600 --> 0:16:52.440 and it's very close to Brighton, it's like just a 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.600 little bit further along the coast. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.600 But it is just one of those old people places, 0:16:57.600 --> 0:16:59.640 like just a place full of loads of old people. 0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:02.280 All right. So when Georgia says it's boring, she's not lying. 0:17:02.400 --> 0:17:05.960 Yeah, she's not lying about the vibe. Okay, Yeah, people 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:07.880 come here to die. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:09.240 God, it's the Florida. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:11.879 Oh yeah, it's the Florida of the UK. 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:18.679 But not that's crazy, okay, not, it's very cuckock cole. Okay. 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.919 So we meet a fourteen year old girl, Georgia played 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:27.040 by Georgia Groom, while she's heading to a costume party 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.920 dressed as a stuffed all of in this like big 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.200 bulky costume. And she gets to the party and realizes 0:17:33.280 --> 0:17:36.760 she's very out of place and her friends and all 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.880 everyone else is like dressed in like not goofy costumes. 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:46.280 We meet her friends Ellen, Rosie, and Georgia's best friend Jazz, 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:49.040 who again they were supposed to all be dressed as 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:54.000 orders but they bailed and Jazz points out that boys 0:17:54.040 --> 0:17:59.400 don't like girls for funniness, and we'll talk about that. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:03.520 Except one one time. 0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:09.119 Right, So then Georgia is humiliated and she runs home, 0:18:09.480 --> 0:18:13.200 where we meet her family, her mom and dad, who 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:15.240 constantly embarrass her. 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:19.160 They're very boying and she's like stop. 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:25.520 Her little sister Libby, and her cat Angus, the most 0:18:25.560 --> 0:18:28.639 important character of the film, played by one of the 0:18:28.640 --> 0:18:30.200 great cat actors of our. 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:31.680 Time, acting his ass off. 0:18:34.080 --> 0:18:36.280 Georgia gears up for the first day of a new 0:18:36.320 --> 0:18:39.560 school year. She accidentally shaves off half of her eyebrow. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:43.600 She's insecure because she thinks her nose is too big. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:49.080 She's worried that she'll never get a boyfriend. Stuff like that. Then, 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.960 on the first day of school, Georgia is in the 0:18:52.080 --> 0:18:55.959 school yard chatting with Jazz, Ellen, and Rosie. They call 0:18:56.040 --> 0:19:01.640 themselves the Ace Gang, and they're talking about kissing, or. 0:19:01.800 --> 0:19:03.680 Rather snogging boys. 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:11.720 Yeah, they're talking about having their boobs touched. They're grossed 0:19:11.760 --> 0:19:16.000 out by anything that seems quote unquote lesbiany as they 0:19:16.040 --> 0:19:16.359 put it. 0:19:16.880 --> 0:19:19.560 Yep, they sure didn't edit any of that. Well, I 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:22.119 guess maybe they did edit some of that out, according. 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:23.639 It is more prevalent in the book. 0:19:24.320 --> 0:19:26.439 It is so prevalent in the movie that's wild. 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:30.119 Well it's well like triple triple it and that's the 0:19:30.160 --> 0:19:34.280 amount that it's in the book. Then these two boys 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:39.440 walk past, who the friends think are proper fit that 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.520 a sorry. 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:46.080 I can't sorry listeners. Kate is sinking into the floor. 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:47.800 She's like stop. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:54.160 It's like being the Ace. 0:19:54.240 --> 0:19:59.679 Gang follows these boys around, stalks them with binoculars and 0:19:59.720 --> 0:20:01.960 every which is also. 0:20:01.880 --> 0:20:04.080 Very Nickelodeon movie Harriet the Spy. 0:20:03.880 --> 0:20:09.480 Coded true uh, And they discover that they're twin brothers 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:11.720 who just moved from London. 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:13.160 And one of them is Aaron Johnson. 0:20:13.280 --> 0:20:15.720 Oh my gosh, I okay. I watched like an hour 0:20:15.760 --> 0:20:17.879 of this movie before I realized. 0:20:17.320 --> 0:20:17.960 Who that was. 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:19.600 I was like, because, yeah, he's kind of got like 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:22.120 the Bieber hair, So you have to like squint really 0:20:22.160 --> 0:20:25.600 hard to be like, oh whoa is that guy. 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:26.320 Yeah. 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.000 So that's Robbie played by Aaron Taylor Johnson. And every 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.240 time I hear that night name, I'm like, don't you 0:20:32.320 --> 0:20:34.800 mean Anya Taylor Joy And they're like, no, it's a 0:20:34.880 --> 0:20:36.120 different person I got. 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:38.280 I mean it's too close. It's too close. 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:41.480