1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: On the Bechdelcast. The questions ask if movies have. 2 00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 2: Women and them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands, 3 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: or do they have individualism? It's the patriarchy, Zephyn bast 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: start changing with the Bechdel Cast. 5 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 3: Hello, listeners, Just a reminder about our upcoming shows starting 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,560 Speaker 3: in a couple weeks. First, a show in Los Angeles 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 3: on January nineteenth. This is a Bechdel Cast celebration. 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Dear 36 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,680 Speaker 3: Diary slash, Dear Jamie. 37 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: Hi, Caitlyn, it's me your diary. Y. 38 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I love my cat angus and I love boys. 39 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 1: And that sounds probably like that's it pretty much. I 40 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: would not want to hear about you having any sort 41 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: of hobby or interests that would suck. Oh thank god. Okay, Well, 42 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: I mean Kat is Angus is a hobby. Angus seems 43 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:35,680 Speaker 1: like a full time job. 44 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: He's a fully developed character as far as I'm concerned. 45 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: He's a piece of work. He's a real piece of work. 46 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: He's the protagonist. Yeah, I mean the titular tituler. Yeah. 47 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: I don't know what cat actor they had on this, 48 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: but what a star? Whoa he was taking direction? I 49 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 1: don't think that. I mean, I'm sure that there was 50 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 1: like a fake cat in there at some point, but 51 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: it seemed like he was really owning the space. 52 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, every thing I saw on screen that resembled a 53 00:03:06,919 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 3: cat seemed like a real cat. 54 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 1: It was that cat. And it's I like, I, you know, 55 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: we've talked about animal acting on the show before, and like, 56 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: what are the ethics of it? And then occasionally there's 57 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: a born star and you're just like, I'm not going 58 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: to tell that guy to get off stage. He clearly 59 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:22,800 Speaker 1: belongs there. 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: A star is born and it's not Lady Gaga. It 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: is Angus. 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: The cat cat rip to him maybe is kind of 63 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 1: an old movie. 64 00:03:31,320 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: Ooh, sad, but come to the cat. Sad but true, Yes, 65 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 3: welcome My name is Caitlin Deronte. 66 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,440 Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loftus, and this is our podcast 67 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: where we talk about your favorite movies using an intersectional 68 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: feminist lens, using the Bechdel test as a jumping off 69 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: point for discussion. But Caitlin, what the hell is that? 70 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 4: Oh? 71 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: We didn't. I think the whole beginning of it, for example, 72 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: didn't pass because we were talking about the Kale cat. 73 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: Well, cats don't have gen or so I think talking 74 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:04,960 Speaker 3: about a cat is not talking about a man, a 75 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: human man. I think that would say. 76 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: I do think that Angus has a very masculine energy. 77 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 3: Well, he is intense, but he's also so freaking chill. 78 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 3: Did you see the scene where the little sister's putting 79 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 3: spaghetti on his head. 80 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 1: And that was the real cat? I was like, yeah, 81 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 1: how was this real cat like spaghetti trained? You're like, 82 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: what the hell? And yeah, he does like et also 83 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: very gender fluid with the dress. Yes, wears all sorts 84 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: of outfits. Okay, okay, point taking. 85 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 3: And Georgia, the main character is always like stop dressing 86 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 3: Angus and drag. 87 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Well, Georgia has a lot of issues with gender that 88 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: we'll get to. Georgia has to answer for her crimes 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: and it's like leave angus out of it. Yeah, so 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: that did pass the Bechtel test. Yeah. 91 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 3: And when you say that, what do you mean? Oh, 92 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 3: it's just a media metric created by queer cartoonist Alison Bechdel. 93 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: There are many versions of the tests. The one that 94 00:04:57,240 --> 00:05:00,560 Speaker 3: we use is do two characters of a mo originalized 95 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: gender have names? Do they speak to each other? And 96 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: is it about something other than a man for two 97 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 3: lines of dialogue or a like substantial meatia conversation. So 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: that's the Bechdel test. We will I'm not really sure 99 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: about this one. 100 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:20,680 Speaker 1: We'll get there, but yeah, I think it's a softy 101 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: as but not as much as you'd want. Yes, all 102 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: things considered. 103 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 3: Also, I want to point out listeners that we are 104 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,800 Speaker 3: recording in person for the first time in ages. 105 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,279 Speaker 1: It's weird because we have a guest visiting us all 106 00:05:34,320 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: the way from the UK. Ever heard of it? 107 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 3: And stare We're all like breathing the same air right now, 108 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: and so let's bring her in. 109 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: She's a comedian. 110 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 3: You may have seen her at our live Shrek Tannic 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 3: show in Manchester, UK. Ever heard of that? 112 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:59,920 Speaker 5: It's Kate cheka, welcome, Thank you for having me. 113 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: Wow, you really had to like sit through us doing 114 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: that whole thing, didn't you. 115 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:04,880 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed it there. 116 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 4: This is why I flew all the way for it 117 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,040 Speaker 4: to be live, because you don't get that, you. 118 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: Don't get that same experience, right, Yeah, I. 119 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 5: Was like, I need to be in the room for that. 120 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 4: Life's just many experiences stats on top of each other, 121 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 4: and that was one of them. 122 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: Well, you're welcome, very judicious, Thank you so much for 123 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: being here. Caitlin's living room. Yeah, here we are. Yeah, 124 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,320 Speaker 1: what a day. What a day. And we're also recording 125 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: this the day before the American election, so we're to be. 126 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 3: Because you'll probably be listening to this listeners in January. 127 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, so the moth might have ended. 128 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, you might never actually be in the revolution at 129 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: that point. Yeah. Yeah, so if you're listening from the 130 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:58,159 Speaker 1: from the front lines of the revolution, Hello and thank you. 131 00:06:58,200 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 5: Feel sady. 132 00:06:58,800 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: Here are our thoughts about it, Angus perfect snaring. 133 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 5: About a movie work twenty years ago. 134 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: Maybe this movie is so interesting, Yes we are. This 135 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: is a very common request on the movie. I feel 136 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: like it is a like millennial, like late millennial. Maybe 137 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: earlier gen Z Staple movie, So I want to know 138 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: what everyone's history. Yeah, okay, kid. 139 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: So I got the books, but not the first one. 140 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 4: Someone gave me like the fourth book in the sequence 141 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: of books as a present when I was like twelve, 142 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 4: and I thought it was the funniest thing I'd. 143 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 5: Ever read in my hold. 144 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 4: Like it was just I remember like bringing it to school, 145 00:07:37,680 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: like reading it during reading time in class and like laughing, 146 00:07:40,960 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 4: and all my friends. 147 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 5: But why is she laughing so much? 148 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: And then they'd read it and be like, I don't 149 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 4: even think it's that funny, but I thought it was 150 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 4: so funny. Yeah, and then I think I read the books, 151 00:07:49,880 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 4: and then I anticipated the movie because I loved the books, Okay, and. 152 00:07:53,720 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 5: Then I don't remember the movie that well. 153 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 4: I definitely saw it, but I think I was like, 154 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 4: you know when you read the books and you're like, 155 00:07:59,240 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 4: it's not the books. 156 00:08:01,120 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: The book is better. 157 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 5: The book is better. 158 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 4: My imagination's wondrous fast and you could never do what 159 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: I can do in my mind, of course, of course, 160 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: you know, but yeah, so, but I just adored the books. 161 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: Okay. 162 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 3: Did you ever go back and like read the first one? 163 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 5: Yeah? 164 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, I re read them all again. But 165 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 4: then at some point I aged out of them before 166 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 4: they've been finished being written, because there's ten in total. 167 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: There's so many more. 168 00:08:32,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 4: I aged out and I got to the point where 169 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: I couldn't read them, but I wanted to, Okay, And 170 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 4: then some one time, a fourteen year old or like child, 171 00:08:40,920 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 4: not a child, a fourteen year old air teenage they 172 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 4: like offered me like, do you want to borrow my ones? 173 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 5: And I really wanted to, but I was too embarrassed 174 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 5: to see it. 175 00:08:48,800 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, that always takes to me so sad, Like the 176 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: first time I remember like turning away a ya classic 177 00:08:54,520 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I'm over it, I'm over it. Why Yeah, yeah, 178 00:08:58,559 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 1: you hate to see it. But a day comes for 179 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: us all. 180 00:09:01,800 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 5: And then you can get you just know a young adults. 181 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 5: Now let me just go to be like I'm at today. 182 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: I grew up. 183 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: I've just come of age too much and I'm over this. 184 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, but now I would read them again, and now 185 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 4: I maybe will after this, I think I'm gonna Kaitlyn. 186 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 1: Did Kaitlyn Kaitlyn, who vows to never read a book 187 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: on the show regularly hate read a book. 188 00:09:30,160 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 3: Well, let's be honest, I had an e book be 189 00:09:33,920 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: read to me. 190 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, this would be I mean, I feel like, 191 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: if I'm remembering the cadence of the books, that it 192 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: would be a fun listen. 193 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, especially when you listen to it on like two 194 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 3: times speed. It really makes it go nicely. So yeah, 195 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 3: my history with this, so I did read the first book. 196 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 3: I don't think I read beyond that first one and 197 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 3: didn't even know there were more than two books, So 198 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 3: my bad. 199 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:02,800 Speaker 1: Can is wild. Yeah, I think I got to three. 200 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 3: Okay, I yeah, I got to the first two, I believe, 201 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 3: and I read them when I was already too old, 202 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:13,719 Speaker 3: so this would have been the mid two thousand. I 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:15,760 Speaker 3: think I was still in high school. I did the 204 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,040 Speaker 3: same thing with Sisterhood of the Traveling Pants, where I 205 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 3: read these books that were geared toward a demographic that 206 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 3: was like maybe two or three years younger than me. 207 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: They were more for like eleven, twelve, thirteen year olds, 208 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 3: and I was like fifteen, and I was like, I've 209 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 3: already kissed the boys and I've touched a penis at 210 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 3: this point. So these little a loser, these little babies 211 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: who were still having their first kiss. I can't relate 212 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 3: but for some reason I still read these books. I 213 00:10:45,600 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 3: think I thought that angus thongs and full frontal snogging 214 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 3: was funny. I liked her sense of humor, and so 215 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 3: I guess that's why I kept reading. Like I finished 216 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 3: that book and I read onto the second one. But 217 00:10:57,520 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 3: by the time the movie came out, which was two 218 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: thousand and eight, I had fully aged out of the 219 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:04,559 Speaker 3: whole thing, and so I didn't see the movie until 220 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 3: we started prepping for the episode. 221 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, same same. I read the I read 222 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: I think the first three books. I loved diary style 223 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:16,000 Speaker 1: books when I was a kid. I feel like this 224 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: was like probably a series I would have picked up 225 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 1: when I ran out of Princess Diaries books to read, 226 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: which were like other I just like love them and 227 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, it's kind of like British Princess Diaries. 228 00:11:26,720 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: And I also knew I don't know. I was very like, wow, 229 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: she was using all these words I've never heard of. 230 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: I loved the slang and these books. I flagg, slaggy, lindsay. 231 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: I had to look up what slag was. 232 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 3: Whoa I know, we don't know over, you don't say slag. 233 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,720 Speaker 3: We don't know what it means it's like slut. 234 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's kind of but yeah, like I 235 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: had to, like, I think, if I'm remembering qurectly or 236 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: maybe like came at the Scholastic book fair or something, 237 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: you would get like a little glossary to be like, 238 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 1: if you're American, here's what they're talking about. 239 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 5: Yes, I did think that I did have gloceries in them. 240 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was very helpful and I tried to 241 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,200 Speaker 1: integrate it into my like daily word usage and all 242 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: my friends were like, shut up, nerdy is not a thing. 243 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,240 Speaker 5: Oh, you tried to make it happen. 244 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: I was really trying to make it hatt. 245 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 246 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: I was Gretchen Wiener's style, like trying to make thatch happen. 247 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, trying to make British slang app was not. 248 00:12:26,520 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: I was always trying to like get the slang from 249 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:32,680 Speaker 1: Angustong's in full frontal snogging and also just random Gilmore 250 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:35,959 Speaker 1: Girls references I didn't fully understand and just eke them 251 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: into conversation and other twelve year olds were like, shut 252 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 1: the fuck up. Anyways, I enjoyed these books, but I 253 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,120 Speaker 1: also did not see the movie because I think I 254 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: was in high school when it came out and I 255 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to see it. And also 256 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: I didn't realize this is a Nickelodeon movie, which I 257 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: feel like as I was watching it felt it really 258 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: felt like a Nickelodeon movie. So I think I missed 259 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 1: this one because I was probably like, I'm you know, 260 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: I'm fifteen, I'm tootle when it's like I should have 261 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 1: just seen it. 262 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 5: Then Okay, I've got a question. What's the feel of 263 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 5: a Nickelodeon movie. 264 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:13,959 Speaker 1: It's very I think I said this one yesterday. It's 265 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: very like boying like, it's very like it's like what 266 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: I feel like, it's weird. It's weird that this is 267 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: like a movie or like a story about like coming 268 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: of age and adolescence that I feel like normally would 269 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:31,959 Speaker 1: be treated with like some sense sensitivity. But it's like 270 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: they sort of the parents are written in the movie 271 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: to feel more like sitcom parents than I remember them 272 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: in the book. They it just feels like a Nickelodeon 273 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: sitcom at certain places, it does, but I think that 274 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: the books. 275 00:13:44,760 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 3: I think that it actually pretty accurately reflects the tone 276 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: of the act. 277 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: Having just reread it, it's interesting, Well. 278 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: She spends a lot of the book talking about how 279 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 3: much she hates her parents and especially her dad. Yeah 280 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 3: so and she like, oh, they're so corny blah blah blah. 281 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: But it's also like, if you're adapting the book, you 282 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:08,559 Speaker 1: should probably assume that Georgia's words are to be taken 283 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, because everyone like you shouldn't 284 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: just adapt a twelve year old characterization of their parents 285 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: and be like, here are these fucking weird losers. 286 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 5: You're just like, whoa, oh, maybe we should do that 287 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 5: whole Maybe that's what everything's lacking. 288 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: That's true, It's true. We have to get more twelve 289 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: year olds in the writers. 290 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 5: Yes, we're not digging the opinions of twelve year old seriously. 291 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 1: I mean that probably is true. But yeah, I guess 292 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,760 Speaker 1: that's what I mean. When it felt it felt like 293 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: Nickelodeon movie like snow Day and like other ones that 294 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: were just like kind of edgier kids movies. 295 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've got a question. 296 00:14:43,720 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 4: Was the book called Anger Songs and Perfect Snugging here? No, 297 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 4: it was called full frontal Snogging here. 298 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:52,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm just assuming they didn't want full frontal as 299 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: a name for a kid's movie, which I could understand. 300 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 4: I remember reading this is Gonna be I remember reading 301 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 4: an art school about how this music movie was developed. 302 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 4: Oh wow, yes, in like some kind of teenage magazine 303 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 4: work an article with the director, and they said it 304 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 4: was a nightmare to try and get filming permission in 305 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 4: locations with the title full frontal snogging because everyone thought 306 00:15:12,680 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 4: they were filming a porn movie. 307 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: I mean, it does sound. 308 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 4: To change the name to get permission to film in 309 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:21,000 Speaker 4: these locations. 310 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense. I was reading that the book 311 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: is I wouldn't have guessed this, but it's like frequently 312 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 1: on banned books because of George's disrespect for authority. 313 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 5: And that's respect for other people, would reason. 314 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then some of the and then 315 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: some of the homophobia, right. 316 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, well it's more like just references to lgbt Q 317 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 3: plus people at all, rather than like the homophobia itself. 318 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:56,359 Speaker 3: And then just like you know, references to like sexual 319 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 3: like Christian Yeah, yeah, because most of what book banning 320 00:15:59,880 --> 00:16:04,880 Speaker 3: is is like, yes, conservative agenda, like crystal fascists, weirdos. 321 00:16:05,960 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: You know, let's take a quick break and then we'll 322 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: come back for the recap, shall we, And we're back, 323 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:28,800 Speaker 3: and here's the recap for angus songs and perfect snogging. Sorry, 324 00:16:28,880 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: I'm gonna do that and it's going to be offensive, 325 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:33,080 Speaker 3: but I won't be. 326 00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: Able to stop. Okay we are. 327 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 5: We're in Eastbourne, UK, Eastbourn, Eastbourne, which is funny enough, 328 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 5: where my mother was born and. 329 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 3: Where is it in relation to the only place I 330 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 3: know London? 331 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 4: So if you go straight down from London, it's Brighton, 332 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 4: and it's very close to Brighton, it's like just a 333 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:53,600 Speaker 4: little bit further along the coast. 334 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 5: But it is just one of those old people places, 335 00:16:57,600 --> 00:16:59,640 Speaker 5: like just a place full of loads of old people. 336 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: All right. So when Georgia says it's boring, she's not lying. 337 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, she's not lying about the vibe. Okay, Yeah, people 338 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 5: come here to die. 339 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: God, it's the Florida. 340 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's the Florida of the UK. 341 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:18,679 Speaker 1: But not that's crazy, okay, not, it's very cuckock cole. Okay. 342 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 3: So we meet a fourteen year old girl, Georgia played 343 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: by Georgia Groom, while she's heading to a costume party 344 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,920 Speaker 3: dressed as a stuffed all of in this like big 345 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 3: bulky costume. And she gets to the party and realizes 346 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 3: she's very out of place and her friends and all 347 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,880 Speaker 3: everyone else is like dressed in like not goofy costumes. 348 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 3: We meet her friends Ellen, Rosie, and Georgia's best friend Jazz, 349 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: who again they were supposed to all be dressed as 350 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: orders but they bailed and Jazz points out that boys 351 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 3: don't like girls for funniness, and we'll talk about that. 352 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: Except one one time. 353 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 3: Right, So then Georgia is humiliated and she runs home, 354 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:13,200 Speaker 3: where we meet her family, her mom and dad, who 355 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: constantly embarrass her. 356 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:19,160 Speaker 1: They're very boying and she's like stop. 357 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 3: Her little sister Libby, and her cat Angus, the most 358 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 3: important character of the film, played by one of the 359 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: great cat actors of our. 360 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:31,680 Speaker 1: Time, acting his ass off. 361 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: Georgia gears up for the first day of a new 362 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,560 Speaker 3: school year. She accidentally shaves off half of her eyebrow. 363 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,600 Speaker 3: She's insecure because she thinks her nose is too big. 364 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 3: She's worried that she'll never get a boyfriend. Stuff like that. Then, 365 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: on the first day of school, Georgia is in the 366 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 3: school yard chatting with Jazz, Ellen, and Rosie. They call 367 00:18:56,040 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: themselves the Ace Gang, and they're talking about kissing, or. 368 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: Rather snogging boys. 369 00:19:04,720 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're talking about having their boobs touched. They're grossed 370 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 3: out by anything that seems quote unquote lesbiany as they 371 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: put it. 372 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: Yep, they sure didn't edit any of that. Well, I 373 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: guess maybe they did edit some of that out, according. 374 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:23,639 Speaker 3: It is more prevalent in the book. 375 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: It is so prevalent in the movie that's wild. 376 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 3: Well it's well like triple triple it and that's the 377 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: amount that it's in the book. Then these two boys 378 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 3: walk past, who the friends think are proper fit that 379 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: a sorry. 380 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: I can't sorry listeners. Kate is sinking into the floor. 381 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: She's like stop. 382 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 5: It's like being the Ace. 383 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 3: Gang follows these boys around, stalks them with binoculars and 384 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: every which is also. 385 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:04,080 Speaker 1: Very Nickelodeon movie Harriet the Spy. 386 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 3: Coded true uh, And they discover that they're twin brothers 387 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 3: who just moved from London. 388 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,160 Speaker 1: And one of them is Aaron Johnson. 389 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, I okay. I watched like an hour 390 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 3: of this movie before I realized. 391 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 5: Who that was. 392 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: I was like, because, yeah, he's kind of got like 393 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: the Bieber hair, So you have to like squint really 394 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,600 Speaker 1: hard to be like, oh whoa is that guy. 395 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 5: Yeah. 396 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 3: So that's Robbie played by Aaron Taylor Johnson. And every 397 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 3: time I hear that night name, I'm like, don't you 398 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 3: mean Anya Taylor Joy And they're like, no, it's a 399 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:36,120 Speaker 3: different person I got. 400 00:20:36,200 --> 00:20:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean it's too close. It's too close. 401 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 3: And he just has one of those like white man 402 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 3: faces that I cannot by, just like my eyes and 403 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:46,760 Speaker 3: my brain do not register or recognize. 404 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 1: I am like, what do I even know him from? 405 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 1: He's in kick Ass. I haven't seen he's in. 406 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 3: He was in that Ryan Gosling movie that came out 407 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 3: where Ryan Gosling played his stunt double fall Guy. 408 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 1: He's in. He's in the New Noes Foratu, So I 409 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: won't he also Tenant Wild. 410 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, don't remember him being in that. Anyway, He's a 411 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 3: guy and he plays Robbie. 412 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 2: Uh. 413 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 3: The other brother is Tom, played by I didn't bother 414 00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 3: to look it up and. 415 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: Get his ass. 416 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:26,760 Speaker 3: Uh. 417 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: He doesn't even have a Wikipedia page Sean Bork. 418 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 3: Wow, whoa Yeah. Anyway, their parents have opened up an 419 00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:41,400 Speaker 3: organic grocery store in town. So Georgia and Jazz go 420 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 3: to the store one day so that Jazz can flirt 421 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:49,320 Speaker 3: with Tom. She she has like staked her claim on Tom. Meanwhile, 422 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:54,919 Speaker 3: Georgia is crushing on Robbie the Anya Taylor joy Man 423 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,439 Speaker 3: and she learns that he's in a band called the 424 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 3: Stiff Dylan's and that. 425 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: Band name and god have being fourteen having a crush 426 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:06,119 Speaker 1: on a boy and a band. What a vibe? 427 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 5: Yeah that is a good name for a band. It's 428 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,440 Speaker 5: pretty cool, correct, Yeah. 429 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:12,639 Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I feel like that felt authentically like 430 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: a teenage boy band. 431 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, which maybe shows how cool and the 432 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 5: musical lie music listening. I do. 433 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 3: You're down with the kids with the kids, Hello, fellow kids, 434 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 3: I'm here for the stuff Llans concert. 435 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: I used to have a huge crush on this kid, Stephen. 436 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: I'm the full name. I'm Stephen MASSARONI who like worked 437 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: part time at the Hot Topic and played like the 438 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: bass and like a scream oh band, And I was like, 439 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: he's a dreaming would not talk to me, but like, well, 440 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: I mean I lost Yeah, look at me now, still 441 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: thinking about him. There. 442 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 3: So she's trying to flirt with Robbie, Georgia is and 443 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,960 Speaker 3: then her mom comes in and embarrasses her and talks 444 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 3: about her farting, and she's like. 445 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: Mom, stop, she's doing the boring thing. 446 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: But Georgia keeps daydreaming about kissing and snogging Robbie. But 447 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 3: then Georgia sees Robbie with her classmate Lindsay, who Georgia 448 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 3: thinks is a boring slag. Though Georgia thinks she can't 449 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 3: compete with Lindsay because she feels Lindsay is like more 450 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 3: conventionally attractive, so. 451 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 1: Quote unquote developed, just like a big deal when you're that. 452 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 3: Age, right, And so Georgia and her friends spy on 453 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,679 Speaker 3: Lindsay to try to learn some tricks on how to 454 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 3: be more attractive to boys, and they learn that Lindsay 455 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 3: wears thongs and uses these like silicone bra inserts to 456 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: make her boobs look bigger. 457 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: Which is proof that she's a bad person. Is how 458 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 1: the movie, and it was the Lindsay thing is so 459 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: wild because it's like before we even really hear her 460 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: say or do anything, we learn that about her, and 461 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: then it just does translate to like, so obviously she's 462 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: a horrible she's a liar. You're like, I don't know, 463 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: check the math there. 464 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 3: Right, yes, So then Georgia decides to pay a visit 465 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 3: to a boy named Peter Dyer, who gives kissing lessons jail. 466 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 5: This movie runs a minute. It's crazy how much they 467 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 5: do in one day. 468 00:24:31,480 --> 00:24:36,400 Speaker 1: Truly, like, yeah, Peter Dyer, jail. 469 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 3: But shout out to the huge poster. He has a 470 00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 3: few Grant in his bedroom. 471 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: Why do we think that's there? Is that for him 472 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: or oh oh maybe clients? I bet it's for his 473 00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:52,000 Speaker 1: That makes. 474 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 5: I assume the client because he wants to just stare 475 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:55,919 Speaker 5: at this. 476 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: What it's because this is hetero world, except we hate 477 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,760 Speaker 1: lesbians and so what's going to get a girl in 478 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 1: the mood more than a huge poster of Hugh Grant? 479 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 1: That makes more sense to me. 480 00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So my theory is that he just knows 481 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 3: that in I don't know, ten years from now, that 482 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 3: Hugh Grant will be cast as the villain in Paddington 483 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 3: I giving the performance of a lifetime, and he's just anticipating, 484 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 3: he's getting ready, he smuggling and yeah, yeah, yeah, he's 485 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: like he's going to play Phoenix Buchanan and it's going 486 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 3: to be the best performance of all time. I think 487 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 3: that's the more likely theory. Then, So Peter teaches Georgia 488 00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: how to do different types of kissing, including tongue kissing, 489 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 3: we will have and he tells her that she's a natural. 490 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: When I was around that age, because I was like 491 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: a super late bloomer with like first kisses and stuff 492 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 1: like that, or I was probably younger. I was like 493 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: probably like eleven or twelve. But my mom was like, 494 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't know why I bought it, but she was like, 495 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 1: kissing with tongue is I would never do that. I 496 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: would never do that. And I was like oh, and 497 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,040 Speaker 1: she's like it's really unsanitary. I would never do it, 498 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: and like I asked her about it years later, she's like, yeah, 499 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: I guess I don't know why I said that. 500 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,400 Speaker 5: What was she trying to do scam me out? 501 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,360 Speaker 1: I think it's just I don't know. I guess it's 502 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 1: like I'll do that when i'm a parent too. I'm like, 503 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna fuck with them today. Like, I don't know, 504 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:30,080 Speaker 1: I don't know why she I think it was like 505 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: I was reading a teen magazine, but like a kissing 506 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 1: article or something. She's like, don't do that. I would 507 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: never do that, and I was like ooh, And then 508 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, a year later, I was doing tongue kissing. Yeah, 509 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:42,080 Speaker 1: let me just say wow. 510 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 5: Maybe Yeah, she knew she couldn't really hold the gates back. 511 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, but she was just trying to buy time. 512 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would never you will. 513 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: I would get the flu. That was I think part 514 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: of the argument she wasn't gonna get the flu. 515 00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,640 Speaker 3: I will say that as a full adult who has 516 00:26:56,840 --> 00:27:00,480 Speaker 3: snogged many times, I hate tongue kissing. Do not put 517 00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 3: your tongue in my mouth. I don't want to put 518 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 3: my tongue. 519 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 5: Okay, So what this is huge is an American thing 520 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 5: because I'm from Europe and we just I know. 521 00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 1: I know it's a thing. 522 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,440 Speaker 3: I will do very light, very subtle tongue, but I 523 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: would I just want an open mouth kiss with I 524 00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 3: don't want anyone's tongue really near me that much. 525 00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 1: For me, it's like a skill thing, like if you 526 00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: if you, if you're skilled with the tongue and you're 527 00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: not slobbering around like well. 528 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 3: Most men aren't skilled. 529 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know, So I don't know. 530 00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 3: Maybe I should be a Maybe I should be a 531 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 3: kissing teacher. You should be less creepy, Peter, just to 532 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 3: teach all these. 533 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,760 Speaker 1: Men how to get you a giant I must have 534 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,240 Speaker 1: one around here somewhere. 535 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 5: Because that's what you need. That's your qualification. 536 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:51,520 Speaker 1: You have a you have a full Monty poster. It's 537 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 1: close enough. 538 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, then we'll just do set up a time people 539 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 4: can come back to. That's the point of kissing. 540 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,560 Speaker 3: Well, I would not mind it if people were better 541 00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 3: at it, but it's just that it's I don't know, 542 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 3: they do it so grossly and it grosses me out. 543 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 1: I've been I mean, when I've been in like long 544 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 1: term relationships. If if the kissing is not solid right away, 545 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: I'm just like, look, if you're if you're hanging around, 546 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: we've I've got to show you how it works for me, 547 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,000 Speaker 1: which does not proclude tongue. I'm like into that, but 548 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,679 Speaker 1: it's like, but you know, try to develop some technique 549 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:26,639 Speaker 1: for crying out loud. 550 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:28,639 Speaker 5: It's why to me that people some people can't. 551 00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, like and also like, you know, I'm in my 552 00:28:31,080 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 4: mid thirties, I'm like, what's happening? 553 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 5: How did you get this fun? 554 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:34,360 Speaker 1: How did you gussd? 555 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 3: Like? 556 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,000 Speaker 1: And the hotter they are, the less good they're at it, 557 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:38,600 Speaker 1: because I feel like people are just afraid to tell 558 00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: them or something. I don't know not me, No, not you. 559 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: You've you've been doing that. 560 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 3: I've already kind of a kissing teacher because I have 561 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: I know, I'll be like, sir, stop and do it 562 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: this way and not that way. 563 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. I had to say once. I was like, you 564 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: can't like your tongue, can't hit me before your lips. 565 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 5: That's like that would be insane. 566 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,280 Speaker 1: But there's but there's but there's people out there that 567 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: they're like, they're like they're leading with the tongue. 568 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 5: Yeah, so wild. 569 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 1: I've been there. I've been like, you're thirty five, How 570 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,280 Speaker 1: is that awsible? Like, what's going on? 571 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 5: Yeah? Do you know what I mean? 572 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 4: Like in the olden days, you'd be dead by now 573 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 4: and you wouldn't have even failed the thing. 574 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: Well, your life is over. You never learned to kiss skill, 575 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: I mean tragic. 576 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 3: Okay, back to the flim. So Georgia is learning how 577 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,800 Speaker 3: to kiss. It's also her birthday coming up, and she's 578 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 3: trying to convince her parents to let her throw a 579 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: big party at a nightclub. 580 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: And this is another upper middle class like formative story. 581 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,840 Speaker 1: So it's not a money problem, it's just they don't 582 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 1: want her to be at a nightclub. 583 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,320 Speaker 3: Right, And then her dad tells her that he's been 584 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 3: offered a job in New Zealand and that he's going 585 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 3: there for a few months, and she's like, oh fine, 586 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 3: My dad is so embarrassing. And so then Georgia comes 587 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 3: up with a plan to pretend that her cat Angus 588 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 3: has gone missing so that she can enlist Robbie's help 589 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 3: in finding Angus, because Robbie also loves cats, and she 590 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 3: sees this as a way to get closer to him, 591 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 3: and it kind of works because they're vibing while they're 592 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 3: looking for Angus and Robbie does eventually rescue him, but 593 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 3: then he like leaves to go hang out with his 594 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:35,440 Speaker 3: girlfriend Lindsey. But the plan does help Jazz, Georgia's best friend, 595 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 3: because Robbie's brother Tom asks Jazz out and she's thrilled 596 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 3: about it. Then Georgie's dad leaves for New Zealand, and 597 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 3: then her mom starts having a man named Jem come 598 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:49,840 Speaker 3: over to redo the kitchen. 599 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: This storyline that yeah, I can't which is Steve Jones. 600 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 5: I don't know who that is, Okay, real quick, Steve Jones, yeah, 601 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 5: British TV presenter, Okay, he's well, she's very, very hot 602 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 5: and very attracted. 603 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 4: But he's dated so many he for a while was 604 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 4: like he was a slack. I'm gonna I'm calling him. 605 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 4: I'm calling it now, but dated so many Hollywood women 606 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 4: because he'd interview them when they'd come to the UK, 607 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 4: and they were like, this guy is really hot with 608 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 4: a fun accent. So he's had like a thing with 609 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 4: Pamela Anderson. Oh yeah, and Angelina Jolie asked for his 610 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 4: number and hey didn't. 611 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 5: I can't Yeah that one and they had Yeah, they 612 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:37,360 Speaker 5: were like seen together on a yacht. 613 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 3: And can Okay, Well, good for him, and he is 614 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 3: handsome and muscular, and George worried that her mom is 615 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 3: having sex with Jem. 616 00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 5: Correctly worried because he's like a flag and. 617 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: He's sure, you know how your interior decorator is topless, 618 00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: just like that's the boying I'm talking about. Does the 619 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,520 Speaker 1: adults do not behave rationally? Yeah? 620 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 3: So Robbie's girlfriend Lindsay seems to know that Georgia likes Robbie, 621 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 3: so she tells Georgia to stay away from her man, 622 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 3: and then she pushes her down in gym class while 623 00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 3: they're playing field hockey, which is very similar to a 624 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,600 Speaker 3: scene from a movie we covered recently, Ginger Snaps, where 625 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 3: the popular mean girl pushes over the protagonist, but this 626 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 3: time it's into a dog carcass, so it's a little 627 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: different in Ginger Snaps, but similar vibes. And so then 628 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,720 Speaker 3: Georgia and her friends go to a classmate's birthday party. 629 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 3: Georgia is hoping that Robbie will be there, but she 630 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 3: doesn't see him. But who is there is kissing instructor 631 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 3: boy Peter, and he, like surprise, kisses slash lunges at Georgia, 632 00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,240 Speaker 3: making her fall into the bushes and causing her dress 633 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: to fly up. And just then Robbie shows up with 634 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,520 Speaker 3: Lindsay and Tom and Jazz, and everyone sees George's underwear. 635 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 1: And it's two thousand and eight, so no one is like, hey, 636 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: that's an assault we just saw. They're just like, oh 637 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: my god, Georgia, you're so embarrassing, which, unfortunately, I think 638 00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: is probably how that would have went down at that 639 00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:18,280 Speaker 1: time for. 640 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 3: Sure, And of course Georgia is humiliated. And then I 641 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: don't know if it's like the next day or a 642 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,600 Speaker 3: few days later, but Georgia goes to the pool with 643 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 3: her sister, knowing that Robbie will be there, and she 644 00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 3: tells him like, don't worry, I'm not dating that Peter boy. 645 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,320 Speaker 3: And he's like, oh, really, well in that case, and 646 00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: he kisses her. Yeah, but then he runs off because 647 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: he's like, I have to sort some things out, but 648 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 3: he says he'll call her. Several days past, he hasn't called. Meanwhile, though, 649 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: Peter asks out Georgia and she lies and says she 650 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 3: can't go out with him because she's alone lesbian, and 651 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 3: he's like, oh no. Other things are falling apart as well. 652 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 3: Lindsay moves her birthday party to the same day as 653 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,800 Speaker 3: Georgia's party. George's dad wants to take the job in 654 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 3: New Zealand permanently, so she's afraid she's gonna have to 655 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 3: move there, and she's still sad that Robbie hasn't called. 656 00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 3: Then Georgia's mom gives her a copy of the book 657 00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,400 Speaker 3: Men Are from Mars, Women Are from Venus, in. 658 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: Which which is another what a two thousand's move. 659 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 3: So in the book, Georgia learns the trick of basically 660 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 3: playing hard to get, so she gets the idea to 661 00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,600 Speaker 3: go to Robbie's band's gig with a friend. 662 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: Of his, This boy Dave the Laugh What a brittal nickname. 663 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: They're just like they might as well just be like Dave, 664 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: who no one wants to have sex with? Like that 665 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: is what that is how the movie approaches You're funny, 666 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:08,239 Speaker 1: no one wants you. Yeah, and let's compare our lived experiences. 667 00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 3: And also at this gig, the band play the Stiff 668 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 3: Dylan's plays a cover of a song that I know 669 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 3: exclusively from the soundtrack of Say It with Me Now 670 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 3: Shrek Too. Really, yeah, it's the ever fallen in love 671 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: parentheses with someone you shouldn't have by buzz Coos is. 672 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: The name of the love I love Buzzcocks. I didn't 673 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: know that was Wow, it's in Shrek Too. I'm a 674 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: fake fan. Yeah, I'm a fake fan. I should have 675 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: known that. I was like, wait a minute, why do 676 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: I recognize this song? And I was like, and then 677 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: you're like with regrets Shrek too? 678 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,760 Speaker 5: Yep. Okay. 679 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 3: So this plan of Georgia's to like make Robbie jealous 680 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 3: backfires because Dave, who seems to really like Georgia, finds 681 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 3: out from Jazz the Georgia just used Dave to make 682 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:07,360 Speaker 3: Robbie jealous. So Georgia gets mad at Jazz for like blabbing, 683 00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 3: and they get in a huge fight and they like 684 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:11,919 Speaker 3: say they're never going to talk to each other again. 685 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,439 Speaker 3: Plus Robbie is pissed at Georgia for hurting his friend 686 00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:20,320 Speaker 3: Dave's feelings. And then also Georgia had like very classiestly 687 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 3: told Jazz that Tom isn't good enough for her because 688 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:29,320 Speaker 3: he's like a grosser, and so Robbie realizes how immature 689 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 3: and shallow Georgia is. Meanwhile, it really seems like her 690 00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,959 Speaker 3: mom is having sex with Jem and she's gonna leave her. 691 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:43,720 Speaker 1: Dad for Also, just the signifier in the two thousands 692 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: of like wearing a thong being like something bad it's 693 00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,040 Speaker 1: gonna happen to this, something bad's about to happen. Did 694 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: you I did either of you watch Degrassy No, there's 695 00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: such an iconic scene where it's like the character who 696 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 1: I think. It's like she's coming in for her sophomore 697 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,840 Speaker 1: year of high school a Manny Santo's everyone's screaming on 698 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: the other end of the podcast, but she comes back 699 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,200 Speaker 1: after a summer and in the way that sometimes teenagers do, 700 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: and she's wearing a thong and everyone's like, oh, you've changed. 701 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: You're hot now, Like it was just like the two thousands. 702 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 1: That's how you told people I'm hot. 703 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 5: Now, that's how you inlerted people. You were hot and 704 00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,160 Speaker 5: down exactly exactly. 705 00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:37,120 Speaker 3: The whale tail was what was like, yeast infections, be damned, 706 00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,479 Speaker 3: I'm hot to know I'm hot and at. 707 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:40,960 Speaker 1: Risk for. 708 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,439 Speaker 4: I do remember being a teenager and wanting the thong look, 709 00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,720 Speaker 4: but not being able to wear one for uncomfortable reasons. 710 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, they're so uncomfortable. Yeah, I think I like sneakily 711 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: bought one in high school because my cousin worked at 712 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: Victoria's Secret. And then I got it and then I 713 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:56,320 Speaker 1: put it on. 714 00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 5: I was like, what the yeah, what the hell is this? 715 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,800 Speaker 1: Never mind, sorry, this was a mistake. 716 00:38:03,040 --> 00:38:03,239 Speaker 5: Yeah. 717 00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,240 Speaker 3: The only time I've worn a thong is I dressed 718 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 3: up one year speaking of the Full Monty as like 719 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 3: their strip costume and they wear these like little red 720 00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 3: thongs that they like expose at the end, and so 721 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 3: I did that for a Halloween costume. No, I had 722 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 3: the full like they're dressed is like security guards that 723 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,799 Speaker 3: they like then remove them. But so I was wearing 724 00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 3: that most of the time, but sometimes I would like 725 00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,160 Speaker 3: show my butt and I'd be like look and people 726 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 3: will be like, oh, scandalous, she's down, she's she's so cool, 727 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 3: she's hot. 728 00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: Now I was like nineteen at the time. Yeah, this 729 00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:43,320 Speaker 1: was in college. 730 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:50,879 Speaker 5: Cool, that is cool. It was so cool. 731 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:55,520 Speaker 1: Thank you. It's however new you were hot now exactly. 732 00:38:56,600 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 3: Okay, So yeah, the whole thing with Georgie's mom maybe 733 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,040 Speaker 3: having an affair with Jem. So then this makes Georgia 734 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:07,040 Speaker 3: go to her dad's company to try to speak with 735 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 3: his boss to convince him to like have her dad 736 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 3: come back to the UK, but the boss isn't there, 737 00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 3: so she's just like crying to a receptionist. And then 738 00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 3: she goes home having decided that the whole family should 739 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 3: move to New Zealand, and her mom's like what, oh 740 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:27,200 Speaker 3: my gosh. And then she like starts doing yoga and 741 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:32,160 Speaker 3: like other forms of self care and spiritual cleansing. She's 742 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,160 Speaker 3: growing up, this Georgia. And then she approaches Robbie to 743 00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:41,120 Speaker 3: apologize for her behavior and he's like, yeah, you were 744 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,400 Speaker 3: a bitch, but I can't stop thinking about you. And 745 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 3: also I broke up with Lindsay. 746 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,400 Speaker 1: Last night, and she's like, well, the teen drama, so drama. 747 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,280 Speaker 3: And then she tells him she's moving to New Zealand 748 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,640 Speaker 3: and he's like, damn, well, let's hold hands. So they 749 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,240 Speaker 3: do that, and then we cut to the next morning. 750 00:40:01,560 --> 00:40:05,200 Speaker 3: It's her birthday and her mom tells her she's taking 751 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:09,320 Speaker 3: her out dancing at a nightclub that night, which I 752 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:15,240 Speaker 3: don't think any teenager would want, but she's. 753 00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: Like really into it. 754 00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 3: But it turns out to be this huge surprise party 755 00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,680 Speaker 3: that Jazz helped organize, which means that Georgia and Jazz 756 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:29,480 Speaker 3: are best friends again. And surprise, also, George's dad is there, 757 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,000 Speaker 3: and it turns out he's not going to stay in 758 00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 3: New Zealand after all, he's been offered an even better 759 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:39,240 Speaker 3: job right there at home. And then another huge twist, 760 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,680 Speaker 3: her mom has not been having sex with Jem because he's. 761 00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 1: Gay and his boyfriend owns the club. 762 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 3: And guess who else is there? Robbie playing with the 763 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:56,120 Speaker 3: stiff Dylan's. 764 00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,240 Speaker 1: Wow, I can't believe this stiff Dylan's probably made money 765 00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: off of her party. Oh yeah, unless they played for free. 766 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:04,560 Speaker 1: Hard to say. 767 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,800 Speaker 3: Then Lindsay crashes the party and she comes on stage 768 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 3: and she insults Georgia, and she tries to get back 769 00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 3: together with Robbie, but he's like, no, I like Georgia. 770 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,799 Speaker 3: She's goofy and I like that actually, And then they 771 00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 3: kiss on the lips in front of everyone. What and 772 00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,800 Speaker 3: they're all cheering. And now Georgia's life is perfect because 773 00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:31,160 Speaker 3: she's got a cute boyfriend and great friends. Her parents 774 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:35,040 Speaker 3: are horny for each other again, and she's more confident 775 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,840 Speaker 3: and mature, and most importantly, her cat angus is awesome. 776 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,360 Speaker 1: The end, the end. What a journey. 777 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:48,640 Speaker 3: So let's take another quick break and we'll come back 778 00:41:48,920 --> 00:42:01,759 Speaker 3: to discuss, and we're back. 779 00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:07,480 Speaker 1: Where to begin with this movie? I wanted to start 780 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,000 Speaker 1: with something I did not previously know about this movie 781 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 1: that I found surprising, which is that this movie was 782 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,120 Speaker 1: co written and directed by Grinder Chada, who also wrote 783 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,480 Speaker 1: and directed Bend It, like Beckham and Brydon, Prejudice and 784 00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: all of these kind of iconic millennial movies. I did 785 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:31,520 Speaker 1: not know that she was the director behind this movie, 786 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't have guessed it. I guess well, because 787 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:36,920 Speaker 1: I feel like Bend It like Beckham, I mean, and 788 00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,720 Speaker 1: I have a quote from her that sort of contextualizes 789 00:42:39,760 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: this a little bit. But I feel like her style 790 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 1: of writing is not this right, and so I have 791 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:49,279 Speaker 1: a quote from her here. There is like a whole 792 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:54,200 Speaker 1: oral history done in the Independent about this movie last 793 00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,919 Speaker 1: year with the star Georgia Groome, who is also fun fact, 794 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: I think married to Rupert Grint. I know, I don't 795 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: think she performs very much anymore, but yeah, that's. 796 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 5: Ruper Grint's probably got so much money. 797 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,000 Speaker 1: I mean that Harry Potter. Yeah, I was married to 798 00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 1: Ruper Grint. I may retire also, no, but but yeah, 799 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:22,200 Speaker 1: because like Angus songs and full frontals snot smogging snogging, 800 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 1: we're in la here. It's Smoggings has like such a 801 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: specific cadence and like authorial voice. But I feel like 802 00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:33,719 Speaker 1: so do her movies. But it's like clear that the 803 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,880 Speaker 1: book got preference here. So I have a quote from her, 804 00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,400 Speaker 1: hear saying I'd already made it, bend it like Beckham, 805 00:43:38,440 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: which in a way was my teen movie. It captured 806 00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:42,880 Speaker 1: that sense of girls who were smart and real as 807 00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: opposed to high school the not mean girls as it 808 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,960 Speaker 1: were just authentic girls with a dream that really had 809 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080 Speaker 1: a big impact. But Angus was different. It was Louise's 810 00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,520 Speaker 1: version of Teenagers, which was great. When I read it, 811 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,120 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, I know how to do this, and 812 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,320 Speaker 1: I can do it well. So she's also acknowledging. She's like, 813 00:43:57,400 --> 00:43:59,439 Speaker 1: this is not really this kind of movie I would 814 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,919 Speaker 1: normally yeah, yeah, yeah. 815 00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 3: So she also co wrote the screenplay along with three 816 00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,160 Speaker 3: other credited writers, and I have a quote about yes, yes, 817 00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,600 Speaker 3: where she says quote when the project came to me, 818 00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 3: the studio Paramount had it for five years, and even 819 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 3: though they're British books, they had these two American guys 820 00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:23,439 Speaker 3: adapt the book and they couldn't get it to work. 821 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:26,440 Speaker 3: I read the script and thought, how weird. This is 822 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:31,640 Speaker 3: sort of La Male's version of an English girl's childhood God, 823 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,359 Speaker 3: and then I read the books and I thought, there's 824 00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 3: something here that relates to me growing up that I 825 00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 3: hadn't seen in the script. I thought this could be 826 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,120 Speaker 3: a British genre film, or be like Clueless or Mean 827 00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 3: Girls in England, and I liked the idea of doing 828 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,160 Speaker 3: a British version of those films. Then it clicked that 829 00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:53,560 Speaker 3: it should be like sixteen Candles unquote. So she had 830 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 3: to like kind of clean up the mess that these 831 00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:57,120 Speaker 3: like two American men. 832 00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:00,840 Speaker 1: Of course they would hire two American men about a 833 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:01,839 Speaker 1: British teenage girl. 834 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:03,960 Speaker 5: That would have been a worrying film. 835 00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I'm very glad that she got a 836 00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:10,040 Speaker 1: hand in it. I wish she'd maybe gotten more of 837 00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: a hand in it, but I did. Like, I mean, 838 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,239 Speaker 1: starting with the positive stuff. I like, reading through this 839 00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: oral history was really nice. It seemed like, you know, 840 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 1: everyone had a good experience. And also working with a 841 00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,520 Speaker 1: woman director seemed to be really impactful on the young 842 00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: women in the cast. I've got a quote from Georgia 843 00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 1: Groom here, watching Grinder lead as a woman was quite 844 00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,680 Speaker 1: a pivotal moment for all of us as young teenagers 845 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,520 Speaker 1: to see that strength and tenacity that she had to 846 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: be able to lead that charge. It's not an easy job, 847 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:39,040 Speaker 1: and she just did it so well and was so 848 00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,239 Speaker 1: much fun inside of her. It was a real girl 849 00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:45,360 Speaker 1: power thing. Also, she had just had twins when she 850 00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:47,719 Speaker 1: directed this movie, so there's all of these really like 851 00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: cool pictures of Grinder Tata and her twins on set. 852 00:45:53,600 --> 00:45:57,120 Speaker 1: And also it seems like she prioritized like teaching the 853 00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,919 Speaker 1: child actors how the cameras worked, and like was really 854 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:02,160 Speaker 1: like hands on with like kind of giving them an 855 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,000 Speaker 1: education if they ever wanted to. I don't know. I 856 00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, that's it just seems like she's I'm 857 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: sure we talked about this on the Benditt like back 858 00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: of my episode two, but she just seems like a 859 00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: terrific person who's like really sweet and supportive of her cast, 860 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,200 Speaker 1: and you know she she also has a couple quotes 861 00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:22,280 Speaker 1: and hear about how you know, infrequent girls are centered 862 00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: in stories and how she felt like in wait, I 863 00:46:26,080 --> 00:46:29,520 Speaker 1: do want to get this quoted of how the release 864 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: in America. I also didn't remember this was kind of botched, 865 00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,120 Speaker 1: like it was never released theatrically and it was only 866 00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,359 Speaker 1: aired on Nickelodeon because they're like the parents go boing. 867 00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna stop saying it, but yeah, Grindotada says 868 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,719 Speaker 1: in America, Nickelodeon didn't know what to do with the film. 869 00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:50,239 Speaker 1: They didn't think it would be a big hit, so 870 00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:52,880 Speaker 1: they never released it theatrically and aired it on a 871 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: big day on Nickelodeon and ratings went through the roof. 872 00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: An executive did say to me after that they'd made 873 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,400 Speaker 1: a huge mistake and they should have put it out 874 00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,640 Speaker 1: theatrically because the amount of times girls have watched that 875 00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,040 Speaker 1: film over and over again. So it's just like, I 876 00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,880 Speaker 1: feel like yet another example of people underestimating Do. 877 00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:12,719 Speaker 4: They just think that women don't do anything like that? 878 00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 4: We just are in the house, like not doing it, 879 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 4: like absorbing any culture. 880 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,000 Speaker 1: It's so I feel like we learned that time and 881 00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:22,239 Speaker 1: time again with any like non white male audience, where 882 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,719 Speaker 1: I mean, like, I think we talked about it on 883 00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,920 Speaker 1: our first Wives Club episode where they're like, no one 884 00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: wants to see women over forty and then that movie 885 00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,800 Speaker 1: made up aajillion dollars and like how difficult it was 886 00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:33,680 Speaker 1: to get Black Panther made, And then that movie made 887 00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: an actual billion dollars And I was just like, it's. 888 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:38,799 Speaker 5: Like they keep doing the conversation again with Bobby. They 889 00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,120 Speaker 5: were like, who knew that were women out here? 890 00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:48,120 Speaker 1: And where's another billion? And women watch things? Oh my god? 891 00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,480 Speaker 5: What they What do they think we're up to? Or 892 00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:51,960 Speaker 5: do they just not know that we're here? 893 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,399 Speaker 1: They kind of just freak you out of sight, out 894 00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:57,799 Speaker 1: of mind because we won't hang out with them. 895 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,640 Speaker 5: But I've never seen any around but both my mom. 896 00:48:05,280 --> 00:48:07,160 Speaker 1: But those are those are some of the positive things 897 00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: I have to say about the movie. It seems like 898 00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,279 Speaker 1: it was a really good on set experience, and I 899 00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,759 Speaker 1: like the director's body of work, but this may be 900 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:14,879 Speaker 1: one maybe not as much. 901 00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759 Speaker 3: Right, So I want to touch on the book because 902 00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:20,240 Speaker 3: I did spend all that time. 903 00:48:20,760 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 1: Reading it, all those you know, all those late nights, 904 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:25,800 Speaker 1: all those. 905 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,319 Speaker 3: Five hours listening to the audio book on one point 906 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,359 Speaker 3: nine speed. So this movie is based on the first 907 00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:37,800 Speaker 3: two books in the series. I didn't read this second book, which. 908 00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,359 Speaker 1: Has it now I'm the girlfriend of a sex God. 909 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, on the bright side, I'm now the girlfriend of 910 00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:47,200 Speaker 3: a sex god. That's the American title. Oh no, it's okay, 911 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:49,080 Speaker 3: big yeahs. 912 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,200 Speaker 1: Yes, that's so. I feel like the American title is 913 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:54,319 Speaker 1: like Saucier in that case. 914 00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, just because you didn't know what Nick is, 915 00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 5: well probably. 916 00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:01,600 Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, Fortunately that we already had so much confusion. 917 00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:05,160 Speaker 5: We know what nogging, so we didn't want to confuse 918 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:05,719 Speaker 5: anyone again. 919 00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:07,359 Speaker 1: I still don't. 920 00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 3: So in the movie they call each other mingers a lot. 921 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:11,759 Speaker 3: What is that. 922 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 4: You've never come across mingus? Oh, it's just like an 923 00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,640 Speaker 4: ugly person like they're minging. 924 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:20,239 Speaker 1: I would not they're like ugly. 925 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 4: Yes, I guess, I guess it's like an abject an adjective. 926 00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:26,920 Speaker 5: But they are minging. 927 00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they are minging. 928 00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:35,359 Speaker 5: And the minging was like very much thing. I remember saying. 929 00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:38,400 Speaker 1: Okay, so is is minge something also? 930 00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 4: And what inge is just the giant minge is separate 931 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:44,480 Speaker 4: from ming I think. I hope so, I hope they 932 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,680 Speaker 4: don't have the same etymology. 933 00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:51,680 Speaker 3: They might do, I don't They're spelled quite similarly. Okay, 934 00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:56,920 Speaker 3: just ye clearing mingus minging. You wouldn't say ming okay, okay, 935 00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 3: you wouldn't have that, but you would say minge. But 936 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 3: you wouldn't say, oh she minging she's having extra vagina, but. 937 00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:06,680 Speaker 1: You can't be vagina. 938 00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,720 Speaker 5: No, okay, just minge okay, okay. 939 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,759 Speaker 4: But I would say minge, but I would say that 940 00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:15,040 Speaker 4: to like my best friend now because it's funny. 941 00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:19,480 Speaker 5: Or I would say clunge because plunges. I did I 942 00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 5: know about clumb Yeah, because I alway, I think they're 943 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:22,240 Speaker 5: quite funny words. 944 00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:24,759 Speaker 1: They are really yeah wow. 945 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,879 Speaker 3: Oh wait, I did know about minge because shout out 946 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 3: to my former roommate, British Martinage. She taught me about minge. 947 00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 3: And then I was like, oh, so do you call 948 00:50:35,080 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 3: pubic hair minge fringe? 949 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 5: Oh we should call it that, but we don't. But 950 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 5: you can make that, but I will. 951 00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I'm gonna make mine fringe happen. Yeah's watch 952 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:48,800 Speaker 1: out world. Okay. 953 00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,600 Speaker 3: So the book is what I'm trying to talk about. 954 00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,759 Speaker 3: So written by Louise Renaissan, who I think wrote, who 955 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,319 Speaker 3: wrote all ten r I p oh, I didn't really 956 00:50:59,480 --> 00:50:59,960 Speaker 3: had a passage. 957 00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,399 Speaker 1: She passed in her mid sixties, which is crazy. Yeah, 958 00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:04,359 Speaker 1: so really sad. 959 00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,680 Speaker 3: So the book was the first book was published in 960 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 3: ninety nine. The sequel, which I didn't read but the 961 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:14,040 Speaker 3: movie is partially based on, published a year later in 962 00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 3: two thousand. The format of the books is like Georgia's diary, right, 963 00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:24,399 Speaker 3: So you know, middle school aged teens in the late 964 00:51:24,560 --> 00:51:27,920 Speaker 3: nineties early two thousands, you know, not known for being 965 00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:31,279 Speaker 3: the most progressive people. So there's a lot of problematic 966 00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 3: stuff in the book. A lot of it translates to 967 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:38,120 Speaker 3: the movie, but there's even more in the book where 968 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:43,560 Speaker 3: there's a lot, as we mentioned of like homophobia and 969 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 3: specific like anti lesbian rhetoric. There's like a phizzed teacher 970 00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,600 Speaker 3: that makes an appearance in the movie, but in the 971 00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,320 Speaker 3: book she's always talking about like, ooh, she was staring 972 00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,960 Speaker 3: at me again because she's a lesbian, and Georgia's like 973 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,720 Speaker 3: praying to God that she's not a lesbian. 974 00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,920 Speaker 1: Things like that, such like casual homophobia that is like 975 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,640 Speaker 1: it it really sucks because it's like, I feel like 976 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 1: books like that at the time would have like reinforced 977 00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,759 Speaker 1: the culture that already existed, which was so so so 978 00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: hostile that it's like a reflection of what was already acceptable, 979 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,720 Speaker 1: but then putting it in the mouth of like Georgia, 980 00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:26,719 Speaker 1: who's supposed to be like the coolest girl ever to 981 00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:30,640 Speaker 1: readers at least, like the self insert it's like it's yeah, 982 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,440 Speaker 1: very tender age to be getting that kind of messaging. 983 00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: Not good. 984 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:38,440 Speaker 3: So there's not only that, there's casual transphobia. Where in 985 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:42,279 Speaker 3: the book, Georgia finds a garment of her dad's that 986 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:44,560 Speaker 3: she thinks as an apron I think it's implied that 987 00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:48,839 Speaker 3: it's like some like sexual outfit or something. 988 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,799 Speaker 1: But okay, because her parents are really horny for each other. 989 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,760 Speaker 1: Yeah Christ for them, I guess. 990 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,920 Speaker 3: But she finds this garment that she thinks is like 991 00:52:57,160 --> 00:53:00,520 Speaker 3: a feminine garment, and so she now asson that her 992 00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:04,319 Speaker 3: dad is transitioning and it's like very disgusting to her. 993 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, she keeps, I've forgotten about that. 994 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:12,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I honestly really just remember nervy. B that's 995 00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:13,520 Speaker 1: like really all that stuck. 996 00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 3: The only thing I remember from the book from reading 997 00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,720 Speaker 3: it all those years ago was her being self conscious 998 00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:20,920 Speaker 3: of her nose. That was the main thing I remembered. 999 00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,480 Speaker 1: That's interesting, Cash, I'm glad I don't remember the transphobia storyline, Like. 1000 00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,040 Speaker 5: What the fun It's good, it's important your brain blocks 1001 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 5: out things. Yes, yeah, this isn't good, like this is. 1002 00:53:32,080 --> 00:53:34,000 Speaker 3: Trash self preservation. 1003 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:34,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1004 00:53:34,800 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 3: There's also it's not prominent in the book, but it 1005 00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,600 Speaker 3: is there. There's racism, where there's at least one example 1006 00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 3: of Georgia making a comment that h anti Asian racism. 1007 00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 3: There's a fair amount of fat phobia and body shaming, 1008 00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,200 Speaker 3: which does translate to the movie. Georgia makes remarks that 1009 00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:00,400 Speaker 3: are ablests that are disparaging about sex workers. She's very 1010 00:54:00,440 --> 00:54:04,640 Speaker 3: callous about suicide. So there's like all these very problematic 1011 00:54:04,719 --> 00:54:05,640 Speaker 3: things in the books. 1012 00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 1: Some of which monsters rible. 1013 00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,160 Speaker 5: She does not deserve Robby. 1014 00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:11,880 Speaker 1: A lot of it does. 1015 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:17,640 Speaker 3: Carry over to the movie, namely the homophobia and the 1016 00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:18,440 Speaker 3: fat phobia. 1017 00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,879 Speaker 1: It's interesting because it's like the there are certain things 1018 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,399 Speaker 1: that are presented in a way that is like, at 1019 00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:26,640 Speaker 1: least I think at the time would have been clear 1020 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: to me, like Georgia's insecure and sensitive about her nose. 1021 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,520 Speaker 1: That's not presented as like and she should be. But 1022 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: all of the homophobia is presented very like matter of 1023 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,440 Speaker 1: factly is never challenged in any. 1024 00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:44,040 Speaker 5: Way, and all the slat shaming. But the thing is 1025 00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:48,200 Speaker 5: that was like having been a British teenage girl, that 1026 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 5: is what the culture was. It was a real like, 1027 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,400 Speaker 5: oh god, we grew up in not good. 1028 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,640 Speaker 1: Times, yeah, but like the worst West time. 1029 00:54:57,520 --> 00:54:58,640 Speaker 5: Yet this is the worst of time. 1030 00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:04,000 Speaker 1: So I don't know how they managed it keeps getting worse, yeah, because. 1031 00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,440 Speaker 5: They look back nostalgically, but then weirdly and then you 1032 00:55:06,520 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 5: want it and you're like, oh wait, this is the 1033 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:09,080 Speaker 5: West of times? 1034 00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:10,719 Speaker 1: Have we ever had it good? 1035 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:12,319 Speaker 5: When was the good of. 1036 00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,239 Speaker 1: In Charles Dickens's Tale of Two Cities, it was the 1037 00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: best of times, But then really quickly she really cooked 1038 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:23,360 Speaker 1: with that. 1039 00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,240 Speaker 3: And there is racism in the movie in the sense 1040 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:31,360 Speaker 3: of how the Ellen character. 1041 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like watching that, I was like, what did 1042 00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:36,359 Speaker 4: they just bring on this South Asian character to bully 1043 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:37,200 Speaker 4: to bully her? 1044 00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:41,560 Speaker 1: Which is like wild to me because Grindotata is she's 1045 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:46,160 Speaker 1: I think Kenyan born British of Indian descent, but like 1046 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: more to the point the writer director of Bend it 1047 00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:50,240 Speaker 1: like Beckham. 1048 00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,320 Speaker 5: That was where I was really like, yeah, it was 1049 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:53,040 Speaker 5: very jarring. 1050 00:55:53,280 --> 00:55:56,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to I mean, based on what Caitlin 1051 00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,120 Speaker 1: you found about, like her having to clean this grip, 1052 00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm wondering like how much she was able to ultimately 1053 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,640 Speaker 1: have influence over because that was just like really jarring 1054 00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,120 Speaker 1: from someone who has like made such thoughtful inclusive movies 1055 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: in the past. 1056 00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,319 Speaker 5: What happened there? 1057 00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:15,839 Speaker 4: If I speculate on how I feel like the UK 1058 00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 4: is is that it was going to be four white girls, 1059 00:56:18,680 --> 00:56:21,080 Speaker 4: and then she would have pushed to be like can we. 1060 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:26,000 Speaker 5: Have one for some representation? Yeah, the one that gets buddied. 1061 00:56:26,080 --> 00:56:26,680 Speaker 1: Do you know like that? 1062 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,600 Speaker 5: I think how it would have gone down. It's like, yeah, 1063 00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,400 Speaker 5: but she can't be cool. 1064 00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,560 Speaker 1: We can't like her. Yeah, I have honestly believed that 1065 00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,480 Speaker 1: in the two thousands movie environment, Yeah, like yeah, poor Ellen, 1066 00:56:38,680 --> 00:56:42,720 Speaker 1: like I just and she disappeared for like such large 1067 00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 1: swaths of the movies. She felt like very disconnected from 1068 00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,000 Speaker 1: the rest of the friend group because it's like Georgia 1069 00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,880 Speaker 1: and Jazz are the you know, core friends, and then 1070 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,759 Speaker 1: there's two other friends. But there's there's times where what's 1071 00:56:54,840 --> 00:56:58,440 Speaker 1: the other is Ellen? Ellen? Ellen is the one we're 1072 00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,720 Speaker 1: talking about, but who's the who's the fourth Rosie Rosie? 1073 00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:03,800 Speaker 1: So it's like you'll see scenes where like Rosie and 1074 00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,280 Speaker 1: Jazz are walking together and they're like we're mad at Georgia, 1075 00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: and I'm like, Okay, where's Ellen. Like there, She's just 1076 00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,520 Speaker 1: like disappeared from the movie for just whole chunks. It's 1077 00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: really bizarre. 1078 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:18,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like anytime she like tries to make a 1079 00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:22,440 Speaker 3: suggestion or like give advice or say like what about me? 1080 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,600 Speaker 3: Do I get a boy to have a crush on? 1081 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:25,440 Speaker 1: And they're always just. 1082 00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 5: Like Eude, shut up, shut up. Ellen. 1083 00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,200 Speaker 3: We treat her like Jerry on Parks and Reck like 1084 00:57:33,480 --> 00:57:37,040 Speaker 3: it's brutal, which is a dynamic that is reflective of 1085 00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,280 Speaker 3: real life when there's a close friend group who is 1086 00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:42,360 Speaker 3: predominantly white, but there's like maybe one person of colar 1087 00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:42,960 Speaker 3: so I. 1088 00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:44,919 Speaker 5: Was in there, but I don't think I was an Alan. 1089 00:57:44,920 --> 00:57:48,480 Speaker 5: I would like to put it. I was cool, I 1090 00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,959 Speaker 5: was saying there's no problems, but I'm like, I'm not Alan, right. 1091 00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,960 Speaker 1: So it's not as though growing Ellen under the busy. 1092 00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 3: Why So it's not as though this doesn't happen. It's 1093 00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 3: just that the movie doesn't like interrogate this at all. 1094 00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 4: Also, they left her at Peter's house, so when Geordia 1095 00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,160 Speaker 4: goes in, oh yeah, then Ellen's. 1096 00:58:07,800 --> 00:58:09,640 Speaker 5: Queuing up to go in as well, like all right, 1097 00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,040 Speaker 5: we're all going to Peter now, right, and then they 1098 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:14,960 Speaker 5: all leave her like the other two. Like everyone's waited 1099 00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:15,600 Speaker 5: for Georgia to come. 1100 00:58:17,840 --> 00:58:20,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, they do not wait for Ellen. But I also 1101 00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 1: was wondering, I mean, because the interests of these characters 1102 00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:28,680 Speaker 1: is very limited, but that Ellen seems to be obviously 1103 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,280 Speaker 1: like really interested in boys and wants to kiss and whatever. 1104 00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:36,200 Speaker 1: She seems to have booked a session with Peter or whatever. 1105 00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 1: She's looking at the Hugh Grant poster. You know, she's 1106 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:43,680 Speaker 1: locked in, but that like doesn't really go anywhere. Like 1107 00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:45,760 Speaker 1: I feel like that is more presented as a joke 1108 00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: of like, and even Ellen's doing it because that doesn't 1109 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:51,160 Speaker 1: really come back around in any meaningful way. I was 1110 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,200 Speaker 1: sort of wondering, I'm like, I wonder if Ellen will 1111 00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:55,800 Speaker 1: head it off with Peter, but they just sort of 1112 00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,040 Speaker 1: toss her a Dave the laugh towards the end. That's right? 1113 00:58:59,360 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 3: Is that? 1114 00:58:59,600 --> 00:58:59,800 Speaker 1: Who she? 1115 00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:00,120 Speaker 3: So? 1116 00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:00,680 Speaker 5: What's the end? 1117 00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:01,000 Speaker 3: Yeah? 1118 00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:02,040 Speaker 1: At the at the party. 1119 00:59:02,600 --> 00:59:05,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a weird moment as well. You know, any 1120 00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:07,560 Speaker 4: powerful your friends with other men. 1121 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: I feel like that happens at the end of this 1122 00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:13,040 Speaker 1: type of movie so often, where they're like, which characters 1123 00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: are still single? 1124 00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:14,760 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1125 00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: There they go there, Yeah that. 1126 00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:20,840 Speaker 5: In the movie. That'd be great. 1127 00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,800 Speaker 1: We can have a single fourteen year old at this party, like. 1128 00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,800 Speaker 5: What an embarrassing body? Single and fourteen. Uh. 1129 00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:32,960 Speaker 3: There's also a scene where Ellen and Georgia are getting 1130 00:59:33,080 --> 00:59:36,800 Speaker 3: ready for the party they go to, and Ellen expresses 1131 00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,080 Speaker 3: insecurities about her dark body hair and she's like, oh, 1132 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,120 Speaker 3: I have a mustache. I'm worried I have sideburns. And 1133 00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:46,840 Speaker 3: she says this to Georgia and she's like, you're lucky 1134 00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,640 Speaker 3: you don't have dark hair like me. And Georgia's just like, 1135 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:52,600 Speaker 3: I know, first of all, Georgia is white, but she 1136 00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,919 Speaker 3: does have dark hair and like speaking as a white 1137 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 3: person with dark hair, like it is visible in my body. 1138 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,360 Speaker 3: My body here, it's visible unless I remove it. So 1139 01:00:03,200 --> 01:00:05,720 Speaker 3: for Georgia to just be like, yeah, sucks for you. 1140 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,280 Speaker 4: Also, we saw Georgia shave off one of her eyebrows 1141 01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:11,840 Speaker 4: basically to deal with a monobrows situation. 1142 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:13,320 Speaker 5: So I don't know why she's out here talking like 1143 01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,320 Speaker 5: she doesn't have a propes. 1144 01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:16,840 Speaker 1: It was just like an opportunity to have these two 1145 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,080 Speaker 1: characters connect over something that would have made sense, and 1146 01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,640 Speaker 1: it's like yet another be like yeah, Ellen, you suck. 1147 01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:27,280 Speaker 1: You're like, come on, come on, and we never I mean, 1148 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,280 Speaker 1: I don't think we meet any of the girl's families. 1149 01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: But again, it's just I feel like we just have 1150 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,919 Speaker 1: the least insight into Ellen, and she's like, I feel 1151 01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:39,320 Speaker 1: like it's worse than tokenized because they just are dumping 1152 01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,320 Speaker 1: just mean yeah right. 1153 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:46,240 Speaker 3: I was feeling like Rosy gets even slightly less characterization 1154 01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:49,200 Speaker 3: than Ellen, but at least she's not like bullied by 1155 01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,120 Speaker 3: her friends. And she she has like a Swedish friend, yeah, 1156 01:00:53,120 --> 01:00:55,760 Speaker 3: I assume, because he's yeah, yeah yeah. In the book, 1157 01:00:55,960 --> 01:00:58,280 Speaker 3: she talks about her very tall and yeah, I think 1158 01:00:58,440 --> 01:00:59,640 Speaker 3: Swedish boyfriend. 1159 01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 5: Wow, but well here's this before it breaks it, so obviously. 1160 01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:07,920 Speaker 1: They could have seen each other. Yeah, Like I always, 1161 01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,760 Speaker 1: I don't know. Anytime I think about your I'm like, whoa. 1162 01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:13,720 Speaker 1: So if you're in the UK and then you're dating 1163 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,560 Speaker 1: someone in Sweden, that would be like what if we 1164 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:20,080 Speaker 1: were dating someone from Chicago? Like distance wise, it's so 1165 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:21,200 Speaker 1: boring when we do it. 1166 01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:24,840 Speaker 4: I don't know, I think unless because how long is 1167 01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:28,080 Speaker 4: the flight to Chicago? Like three right, so like a 1168 01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 4: flight to Sweden, it's not going to be more than two, 1169 01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,520 Speaker 4: So maybe Denver. 1170 01:01:33,160 --> 01:01:33,720 Speaker 1: I think. 1171 01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,680 Speaker 3: The book makes it seem like Spinn is there as 1172 01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:40,840 Speaker 3: like an exchange student, so I don't think it's like 1173 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:43,880 Speaker 3: long distance. But speaking of the book, I don't even 1174 01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,520 Speaker 3: remember the Ellen character from the book. 1175 01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:47,919 Speaker 1: At all, so I don't she is in the book. 1176 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:51,400 Speaker 3: She is, okay, at least if she is, she's mentioned, 1177 01:01:51,600 --> 01:01:55,000 Speaker 3: but not necessarily as like someone who is like hanging out. 1178 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:59,160 Speaker 4: With later books, she's in the books, oh sure, she's 1179 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,280 Speaker 4: No one's given like any race that's not white. 1180 01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:04,160 Speaker 5: I just assume everyone's white in the books. 1181 01:02:04,640 --> 01:02:07,000 Speaker 4: But the Ellen character and Georgia are definitely like in 1182 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,720 Speaker 4: the same friend group but have a rivalry. Oh so 1183 01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,880 Speaker 4: down the line there's some issue. Maybe Ellen dates Tom's 1184 01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:19,640 Speaker 4: m okay, I don't know. Maybe Dave, the last Dave. 1185 01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,160 Speaker 1: Oh well, that's where she ends up with. At the 1186 01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:22,800 Speaker 1: end of the movie. 1187 01:02:23,320 --> 01:02:26,000 Speaker 5: Something happens with the kind of friends but not friends. 1188 01:02:26,280 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 5: In the books later I can remember. 1189 01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:31,439 Speaker 3: At least again, I only reread the first one. I'm 1190 01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:33,880 Speaker 3: sure Ellen is there, but she's so little of a 1191 01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:37,800 Speaker 3: presence that you wouldn't necessarily like remember her. A huge 1192 01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,840 Speaker 3: focus on the friendship with Jazz in the like enemy 1193 01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:45,640 Speaker 3: ship with Lindsey, and then there's all the there's other 1194 01:02:45,800 --> 01:02:49,080 Speaker 3: girls that don't make it to the movie that like 1195 01:02:49,320 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 3: are like kind of the girls who are like, come on, 1196 01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:56,480 Speaker 3: let's do this thing that is scandalous and that will 1197 01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:59,240 Speaker 3: get us into trouble. And so there's like things like 1198 01:02:59,320 --> 01:03:01,360 Speaker 3: that that are kind of memorable. But as far as 1199 01:03:01,480 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 3: like Ellen's presence, if she is there at all in 1200 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:09,000 Speaker 3: the first book, it's like not very noticeable, which means 1201 01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 3: that the writing like beefed up her character for. 1202 01:03:12,760 --> 01:03:14,760 Speaker 1: The movie, but for people to be horrible. 1203 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,520 Speaker 5: Yeah, So it's just. 1204 01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:22,680 Speaker 1: Upsetting, a huge, huge, huge bummer. I want to blame 1205 01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: the three American eyes. 1206 01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 5: But let's do that. Let's do it. That's okay, sometimes 1207 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:28,880 Speaker 5: you can. 1208 01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:33,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, it was a real bummer and really stuck out. 1209 01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:35,240 Speaker 1: And also that I think it's Ellen's character who like 1210 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,640 Speaker 1: says the first homophobic comment too of the movie, who 1211 01:03:39,760 --> 01:03:42,200 Speaker 1: is like, we can't grab our own boobs. That would 1212 01:03:42,240 --> 01:03:42,800 Speaker 1: make that. 1213 01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,000 Speaker 5: Makes us Yeah, and that's that's sitting on their hands. 1214 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:50,040 Speaker 5: Just tried. 1215 01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:51,000 Speaker 2: I know. 1216 01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 5: I was like, does it feel good? 1217 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,520 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. I did it as I was 1218 01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 1: watching the movie. 1219 01:03:57,280 --> 01:03:59,800 Speaker 5: You tried it? Yeah, Like. 1220 01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,320 Speaker 1: It did feel like I was just grabbing my own 1221 01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:05,040 Speaker 1: boob and then my hands really hurt. 1222 01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:07,200 Speaker 5: But then I had and needles. 1223 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:09,320 Speaker 1: It was really sad. It was hard for me. But 1224 01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:12,360 Speaker 1: I'm a grown up, so I can just have someone 1225 01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:17,640 Speaker 1: grab my boobs. These losers, yeah, grabbing their own boobs. Yeah, 1226 01:04:17,880 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: what do we think about? Okay, Georgia I had such 1227 01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:23,840 Speaker 1: a hard time with because like, I feel like the 1228 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:28,720 Speaker 1: whole internal logic of the movie is like and also 1229 01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:32,439 Speaker 1: she's like a kid, but still still she's like, boys 1230 01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,840 Speaker 1: don't like me because I'm funny, and I'm like, I 1231 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:39,320 Speaker 1: would not say that that's not and that's why boys 1232 01:04:39,360 --> 01:04:42,680 Speaker 1: don't like you, which I guess does go into like 1233 01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:47,080 Speaker 1: she's immature, which Robbie does call out, and that she 1234 01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:49,160 Speaker 1: has to I guess grow up a little bit. 1235 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,680 Speaker 4: Well, what is this storyline that's like men are so 1236 01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:59,320 Speaker 4: much more mature right where he is older, he's seventeen 1237 01:04:59,560 --> 01:05:00,920 Speaker 4: and she he's fourteen. 1238 01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, so this is more clear in the book where 1239 01:05:04,520 --> 01:05:05,200 Speaker 3: he says. 1240 01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:07,120 Speaker 5: To her, Yeah, but it was a stop dating fourteen 1241 01:05:07,160 --> 01:05:09,400 Speaker 5: year olds to seventeen year old maybe. Also, if you 1242 01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:12,560 Speaker 5: are worried that they're so immature, that feels like a really. 1243 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,680 Speaker 1: Easy fix on your data. Fourteen year old, easily done. 1244 01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:19,200 Speaker 4: Yes, And I do remember the article being like it 1245 01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:22,280 Speaker 4: was very hard to cast a seventeen year old that 1246 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,000 Speaker 4: we could get to snog a fourteen year old that 1247 01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:29,400 Speaker 4: wouldn't feel weird and it turns out yeah, yeah, I 1248 01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,600 Speaker 4: do remember that from the article. Wow, it was like 1249 01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:35,120 Speaker 4: we had trouble casting and it turned out it was 1250 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:39,720 Speaker 4: Aaron Johnson who's now married to Sam Taylor Wood. 1251 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 5: Yes, so he has no trouble snogging anyone of multiple 1252 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,440 Speaker 5: ag He doesn't mind an age gap, he doesn' mind 1253 01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:49,000 Speaker 5: age up in either direction. He's good to snug anyone that. 1254 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:52,720 Speaker 1: Is such a weird thing to put in an article. Yeah, 1255 01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:56,880 Speaker 1: and also just I uh wow, yeah, And I think 1256 01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:59,920 Speaker 1: that's a good point, is that like the boys are 1257 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:03,720 Speaker 1: more mature. It doesn't doesn't really track. 1258 01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:04,560 Speaker 5: Doesn't track. 1259 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they're older, I guess, which is still. 1260 01:06:08,560 --> 01:06:11,680 Speaker 5: Also the whole point is that they're not. That's why 1261 01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,640 Speaker 5: seventeen year olds maybe date fourteen year olds, right, I 1262 01:06:14,800 --> 01:06:15,080 Speaker 5: just I. 1263 01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:17,240 Speaker 1: Feel like when I was fourteen, I was more mature 1264 01:06:17,320 --> 01:06:21,720 Speaker 1: than most seventeen year old place. Sure, yeah, like yeah, anyways, 1265 01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,880 Speaker 1: but I'll suspend my disbelief. I like, like, I like Georgia. 1266 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,960 Speaker 1: I think it's like the attachment to the books as 1267 01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:32,400 Speaker 1: a kid, where you like you're rooting for her. I 1268 01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:34,240 Speaker 1: feel like it was cathartic to be like, yeah, my 1269 01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:37,440 Speaker 1: parents are really annoying too, but if they ever got divorced, 1270 01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:41,320 Speaker 1: I'd be so sad. Like I thought, like those beats 1271 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:43,480 Speaker 1: worked better for me in the movie where it's like 1272 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:49,440 Speaker 1: her balancing like that, very like tween ish age, Like 1273 01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:53,560 Speaker 1: I hate my family, but if anything changes, I'll I'll die. 1274 01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,640 Speaker 1: Like that stuff felt good. But I don't know, I 1275 01:06:57,720 --> 01:06:59,880 Speaker 1: don't know what do we think of Georgia, Folks? 1276 01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 3: The thing that I connected with I think the most 1277 01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,200 Speaker 3: as a thirty eight year old person consuming this was that, 1278 01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:12,400 Speaker 3: you know, she values humor and being a funny person. Yes, 1279 01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:17,600 Speaker 3: and she learns that boys don't like girls for funniness, 1280 01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:21,720 Speaker 3: and so part of the movie is her like trying 1281 01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:25,960 Speaker 3: to like figure out what boys do like and like 1282 01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360 Speaker 3: catering to that while also trying to like figure out 1283 01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:32,240 Speaker 3: who she is and wants to be like a unique 1284 01:07:32,320 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 3: person who has a personality, but like feels like she 1285 01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:38,320 Speaker 3: has to suppress her like silliness. 1286 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:42,240 Speaker 4: All yeah, I like a commitment to the bit. I 1287 01:07:42,400 --> 01:07:43,840 Speaker 4: like that she was like I'm going as a stuff, 1288 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:45,080 Speaker 4: don't it this party? 1289 01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:47,120 Speaker 1: And that that does I mean, I feel like that's 1290 01:07:47,160 --> 01:07:49,400 Speaker 1: such a great like establishing scene too, where it's like 1291 01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:52,320 Speaker 1: she's the only one who was confident enough to follow 1292 01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,280 Speaker 1: through on the olive and the girls are. 1293 01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:56,400 Speaker 5: Like and it's a great idea for I think that 1294 01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:57,440 Speaker 5: would be hilarious. 1295 01:07:57,480 --> 01:07:59,840 Speaker 1: It looks like so much work, like she was destroying 1296 01:07:59,840 --> 01:08:01,280 Speaker 1: it and I was like, oh my god. 1297 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:02,400 Speaker 5: Days days. 1298 01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,320 Speaker 3: I love that it's become a trope for usually a 1299 01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,160 Speaker 3: character who's a woman to show up to a to 1300 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:11,320 Speaker 3: a party in a mood because it happens in Bridget 1301 01:08:11,400 --> 01:08:16,439 Speaker 3: Jones diary, it happens in Girls, it happens in Legally Blonde, 1302 01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 3: where like the person in. 1303 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,679 Speaker 1: Question forgot it happened in Legally Blonde, shows up. 1304 01:08:21,960 --> 01:08:25,160 Speaker 4: As like a bunny, like a the same I don't 1305 01:08:25,160 --> 01:08:27,200 Speaker 4: know which one came first. This sends a woman in 1306 01:08:27,240 --> 01:08:29,400 Speaker 4: a buddy outfit to somewhere where no one's stressed. 1307 01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:32,000 Speaker 5: She feels. 1308 01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:32,240 Speaker 2: Then. 1309 01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:35,280 Speaker 1: It reminds me of my favorite tweet ever, the Katie 1310 01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:37,840 Speaker 1: Dippled tweet. Yes Baba do come first? She stresses the 1311 01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:42,840 Speaker 1: Baba duck and everyone else is just wearing clothes. There 1312 01:08:43,000 --> 01:08:46,160 Speaker 1: is an example, so it does happen in real life. 1313 01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:49,000 Speaker 1: How did it happen? I don't know. I need to 1314 01:08:49,080 --> 01:08:51,160 Speaker 1: find it. It's the funniest thing. 1315 01:08:51,200 --> 01:08:51,360 Speaker 5: Ever. 1316 01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:55,439 Speaker 3: While you're looking for that, I can think of one 1317 01:08:55,520 --> 01:08:59,479 Speaker 3: example of a man, or like a male character showing 1318 01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:01,559 Speaker 3: up to a party in a costume that's like very 1319 01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:04,240 Speaker 3: inappropriate for the party he's at, which is zac Efron 1320 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:06,479 Speaker 3: in a movie that I don't remember what it's called, 1321 01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:10,400 Speaker 3: but Michael B. Jordan is also in the movie. I 1322 01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:12,920 Speaker 3: think anyway, He shows up to a costume with like 1323 01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:17,640 Speaker 3: a prosthetic penis like hanging out of his pants. And 1324 01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:20,280 Speaker 3: it's like because it was pitched to him as a 1325 01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:22,880 Speaker 3: dress up party, so he thought that meant costume party. 1326 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:25,519 Speaker 3: But it meant like dress in an elegant dress outfit. 1327 01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:30,360 Speaker 4: Okay that no, if you say it's a dress up party, 1328 01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:31,680 Speaker 4: that means costumes. 1329 01:09:31,880 --> 01:09:35,160 Speaker 1: Well, so he was correct. So Zach Cafron innocent. 1330 01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,000 Speaker 5: I mean the choice of costume questionable, right for sure? Yeah? 1331 01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:41,200 Speaker 5: But what was he supposed to be? 1332 01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,280 Speaker 3: Just a man with his Yeah, just like he's gonna 1333 01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:46,360 Speaker 3: he's like, I'm rocking out with my cock out or 1334 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:46,920 Speaker 3: something like that. 1335 01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,200 Speaker 5: Because that's a choice. 1336 01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:53,320 Speaker 4: I think if I went to a Halloween Putts, I'd question, 1337 01:09:53,720 --> 01:09:56,840 Speaker 4: oh for sure if a man came in that outfit. 1338 01:09:57,000 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a bad costume. 1339 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,800 Speaker 4: I don't know if I I want to chat even 1340 01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:05,200 Speaker 4: my bunny outfit, which I will be wearing because I'm 1341 01:10:05,240 --> 01:10:06,880 Speaker 4: a girl that I'm just stats. 1342 01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:09,719 Speaker 5: So I won't be stuffed. 1343 01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:12,040 Speaker 1: I have the tweet here. I also realized when I 1344 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:14,160 Speaker 1: looked it up, because it was Halloween last week, that 1345 01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,720 Speaker 1: friend of the show Ben Rogers is sitting next to her. 1346 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:24,439 Speaker 1: I noticed that here it is. It'll still so funny. 1347 01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,920 Speaker 5: This is so good. 1348 01:10:28,320 --> 01:10:30,280 Speaker 1: You can see it really sinking it. It's sinking in 1349 01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,760 Speaker 1: for her as the victures. We'll post it, We'll post 1350 01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,320 Speaker 1: it on our Instagram. I'm so glad it's so good. 1351 01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:39,680 Speaker 1: I love that you got to see it for the 1352 01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:43,080 Speaker 1: first time. It's one of the greatest tweets of all time. Yeah. 1353 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:47,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, anyway, So the point is that, you know, Georgia 1354 01:10:47,960 --> 01:10:51,920 Speaker 3: is like, she doesn't want to suppress this funny, like 1355 01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,560 Speaker 3: humorous aspect of herself, but she's learned, like many of 1356 01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,480 Speaker 3: us have as comedians. 1357 01:10:58,200 --> 01:10:59,759 Speaker 1: We learned that like men. 1358 01:10:59,720 --> 01:11:01,960 Speaker 3: Tend not to val if they value a sense of 1359 01:11:02,080 --> 01:11:05,599 Speaker 3: humor in a woman, what they mean is that they 1360 01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,720 Speaker 3: want a woman to laugh at all their jokes, but 1361 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:10,680 Speaker 3: they don't want a woman who generates her own humor. 1362 01:11:10,600 --> 01:11:14,000 Speaker 1: Especially not funnier than they are, certainly not yead forbid, 1363 01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:16,599 Speaker 1: which is hard because men aren't very funny. 1364 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:19,400 Speaker 5: Express a lot of your funny. 1365 01:11:21,400 --> 01:11:24,800 Speaker 3: But it turns out that Robbie does like that about her. 1366 01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:27,560 Speaker 1: He does, like, you know, like other voice. 1367 01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,560 Speaker 3: But he does it in a condescending way where he's like, 1368 01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:33,360 Speaker 3: you're mad, you're such a nutter, But I love it. 1369 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:36,840 Speaker 4: Yes, he does call her that a lot. I don't 1370 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,280 Speaker 4: know how much I'd love that actually if someone was 1371 01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,160 Speaker 4: like she just just nuts, but I love it. 1372 01:11:41,479 --> 01:11:44,240 Speaker 1: I think I feel like that's how a lot of 1373 01:11:44,360 --> 01:11:48,080 Speaker 1: boomer husbands talk about their wives. They're like this broad 1374 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,920 Speaker 1: like they're just like Jesus. 1375 01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:53,320 Speaker 5: If I hadn't murder should be in the greasy Yeah 1376 01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:55,680 Speaker 5: I really did. 1377 01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,120 Speaker 1: Like that's that is like a very boomer dad kind 1378 01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:02,120 Speaker 1: of post where you're like, easy, say something nice, like 1379 01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:06,160 Speaker 1: you've been married for forty fucking years, like something nice. 1380 01:12:06,800 --> 01:12:09,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, I I uh, he does do that. He 1381 01:12:09,479 --> 01:12:11,240 Speaker 1: also what is the name of the song song he 1382 01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,639 Speaker 1: writes about her bitch in a Uniform? You're like, yeah, 1383 01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:16,960 Speaker 1: I was like, do you like her? 1384 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:18,000 Speaker 5: Do you like her? 1385 01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:21,400 Speaker 1: Well, this was after she was classist, so that's true, 1386 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:26,679 Speaker 1: Like not that excuse. That's that's the tricky thing with George. 1387 01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:27,840 Speaker 1: I guess that was what I was trying to get 1388 01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:31,080 Speaker 1: at earlier, where it's like I like her, and it's 1389 01:12:31,240 --> 01:12:33,120 Speaker 1: hard to be too mad at her because she is 1390 01:12:33,280 --> 01:12:37,400 Speaker 1: canonically fourteen years old, right, and it feels weird at 1391 01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:40,960 Speaker 1: my large age to be like, I don't respect this 1392 01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,440 Speaker 1: fictional teenage. 1393 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:44,439 Speaker 5: Got her shit together. 1394 01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:49,640 Speaker 1: But but I do think, like, yeah, she's uh, she 1395 01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:54,679 Speaker 1: does catch it sometimes, I think deservedly. Yeah, Like yeah, 1396 01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,919 Speaker 1: but it seems like the movie does sort of address 1397 01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,760 Speaker 1: that just not and I don't know. I feel like 1398 01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,040 Speaker 1: it's because the goal, the endgame goal for all of 1399 01:13:03,120 --> 01:13:04,720 Speaker 1: the young girls in the movie is to have a 1400 01:13:04,840 --> 01:13:08,760 Speaker 1: cute boyfriend. That the only way that like growing up 1401 01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:11,120 Speaker 1: is like addressed or the way that like, oh, she 1402 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:16,360 Speaker 1: like addressed this like internalized classism where she like had 1403 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:18,519 Speaker 1: to figure out like how to develop a better relationship 1404 01:13:18,560 --> 01:13:20,439 Speaker 1: with her parents or like whatever. The sort of broad 1405 01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:24,519 Speaker 1: lesson is she's like rewarded quote unquote with boyfriend at 1406 01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:28,439 Speaker 1: the end, Yeah, which just feels a little I don't know. 1407 01:13:28,600 --> 01:13:31,360 Speaker 4: Of the time, I guess yeah, and it's not a 1408 01:13:31,439 --> 01:13:35,640 Speaker 4: good reward, no, but but maybe is when actually is 1409 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:37,200 Speaker 4: when you're horny and your teenager. 1410 01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure at the time it is, but yeah, I 1411 01:13:40,360 --> 01:13:42,000 Speaker 1: don't know. And then they're like, oh, wait, we forgot 1412 01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:46,360 Speaker 1: about Ellen. She's dating Dave, like movie over. 1413 01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:53,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, Actually, maybe Ellen wins in the end because 1414 01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:54,920 Speaker 4: she gets the funny guy, and. 1415 01:13:55,040 --> 01:13:58,080 Speaker 1: Dave did seem like a nice, nice young man and 1416 01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,800 Speaker 1: he's I think like right to be hurt with how 1417 01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,360 Speaker 1: Georgia treats him. Yeah, she uses him and he finds 1418 01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:08,000 Speaker 1: out about it. Yeah. Yeah, it's like this is the 1419 01:14:08,120 --> 01:14:08,760 Speaker 1: life of a lab. 1420 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,080 Speaker 4: But that was a bit where I was like, I 1421 01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:14,200 Speaker 4: don't know, I just feel like he'll know soon that 1422 01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,200 Speaker 4: men will use women, so he'll be fine, He'll be fine. 1423 01:14:18,280 --> 01:14:20,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, especially the way he's like he talks about 1424 01:14:21,400 --> 01:14:25,639 Speaker 3: what does he call He's like, yeah. 1425 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:26,920 Speaker 1: That's one of the names of the books. 1426 01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,120 Speaker 5: It's like, yeah, that was the one I got as 1427 01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:31,519 Speaker 5: a present. Was knocked out by. 1428 01:14:32,520 --> 01:14:35,680 Speaker 1: I, Like you started there. I will say that I 1429 01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: was looking and I was like. 1430 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:39,280 Speaker 5: This is fab because they say fabl. 1431 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,280 Speaker 1: I was looking at the list of book titles and 1432 01:14:42,520 --> 01:14:47,479 Speaker 1: Louise Renaissan really committed to having the most British titles possible. 1433 01:14:47,720 --> 01:14:49,880 Speaker 1: Knocked out by my nonga nungers. We don't say that 1434 01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,200 Speaker 1: dancing Oh really. 1435 01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:55,160 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what Dave Cools breasts. Do you want to explain? 1436 01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:58,120 Speaker 3: Oh, because he's like yeah, when you grab them and 1437 01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:07,640 Speaker 3: then let go, they go looks like the bound they. 1438 01:15:05,000 --> 01:15:09,080 Speaker 1: Kind of got boing. Okay, then he ate my boy 1439 01:15:09,160 --> 01:15:13,960 Speaker 1: and trancers startled by his furry shorts. Lorve is a 1440 01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:20,280 Speaker 1: many trousered thing. Are these my bazoomas I see before me? Yeah, 1441 01:15:20,439 --> 01:15:21,360 Speaker 1: the title's gone. 1442 01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,560 Speaker 4: I stopped at some point because they because it was 1443 01:15:23,920 --> 01:15:26,280 Speaker 4: the general vibers. He goes between rob in the books, 1444 01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:27,200 Speaker 4: she goes between Robbie and. 1445 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,160 Speaker 5: Dave the Laugh. 1446 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,880 Speaker 4: Because David Laugh is her age and they do have 1447 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,400 Speaker 4: a lot, and George is funny, so they have a 1448 01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:33,880 Speaker 4: laugh together. 1449 01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:36,120 Speaker 5: And then Robbie's kind of not that funny, but he's 1450 01:15:36,200 --> 01:15:38,080 Speaker 5: very hot and in a band. That's the kind of. 1451 01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:42,000 Speaker 4: General viber But then they brought in a third love interest, Massimo, 1452 01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:42,959 Speaker 4: who's Italian. 1453 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,000 Speaker 1: Wait I remember him, Okay, so you remember. 1454 01:15:46,720 --> 01:15:49,880 Speaker 4: And he had a little purse that he carried around. 1455 01:15:50,520 --> 01:15:52,439 Speaker 4: And I was like, I can't deal with a third 1456 01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,040 Speaker 4: love interest. I think that's what I checked out. 1457 01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:56,439 Speaker 5: I was like, you, it's either going to be Robbie 1458 01:15:57,240 --> 01:15:59,720 Speaker 5: or Dave, but I can't. You can't bring in a thing. 1459 01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:01,720 Speaker 1: I do feel like it is in a way like 1460 01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:04,840 Speaker 1: having what's a feeling about Georgia, especially when I was 1461 01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,880 Speaker 1: a kid, was like, it's very much like she is 1462 01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:12,320 Speaker 1: like a funny, like normal looking quote unquote girl who 1463 01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:15,000 Speaker 1: so many boys want to take her and you're like, oh, 1464 01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,200 Speaker 1: of course I'm going to love that book. That's that 1465 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,639 Speaker 1: was my dream at the time. It's like, what if 1466 01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,920 Speaker 1: nothing about me changed and every hot boy I knew 1467 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:23,280 Speaker 1: was like. 1468 01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,759 Speaker 5: I love you, like, but you did have to change. 1469 01:16:26,800 --> 01:16:29,840 Speaker 5: You had to do yoga. Remember it's true, it's true. 1470 01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:35,120 Speaker 1: True. It's not that no, no, I had to get 1471 01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,479 Speaker 1: on the mat. I wish that this. 1472 01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:42,000 Speaker 3: I mean, there is obviously a component of this movie 1473 01:16:42,439 --> 01:16:46,760 Speaker 3: that focuses on like the female friendship, but it's all 1474 01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:49,600 Speaker 3: in the context of like they're talking about boys, and 1475 01:16:49,640 --> 01:16:52,800 Speaker 3: they're talking about how to be more attractive to boys, and. 1476 01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:56,320 Speaker 1: It's all like in service of the goal of getting 1477 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:56,960 Speaker 1: a boyfriend. 1478 01:16:57,479 --> 01:17:01,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, they are close friends, except yeah. 1479 01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:02,799 Speaker 1: But tragically. 1480 01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:06,240 Speaker 3: And then I think even the way the like parental 1481 01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,960 Speaker 3: dynamic and like relationship between Georgia and her parents is 1482 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:13,720 Speaker 3: framed is like, Oh, my dad's so corny, but now 1483 01:17:13,760 --> 01:17:15,639 Speaker 3: that he's gone, I really miss him and I don't 1484 01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:19,040 Speaker 3: want to have I don't want my parents to split up. Meanwhile, 1485 01:17:19,240 --> 01:17:24,040 Speaker 3: my slag of a mom is over here right having sex, Yeah, 1486 01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,000 Speaker 3: I with someone else. 1487 01:17:26,520 --> 01:17:29,519 Speaker 1: Well, and also even like if Georgia was right, I 1488 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,519 Speaker 1: mean again and just like she's fourteen. I get it, 1489 01:17:32,640 --> 01:17:35,599 Speaker 1: like you're fourteen. Probably a lot of fourteen year olds 1490 01:17:35,600 --> 01:17:37,200 Speaker 1: don't want their parents to split up. I know my 1491 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,439 Speaker 1: I didn't want my parents to but then they did, 1492 01:17:39,560 --> 01:17:41,920 Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that was so the right call. Wow, 1493 01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:43,519 Speaker 1: oh good god. 1494 01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:45,479 Speaker 5: You know you guys knew cool. 1495 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:47,360 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, we should have done this years ago. 1496 01:17:47,880 --> 01:17:49,800 Speaker 1: But I get that it's like scary for kids when 1497 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:52,439 Speaker 1: it happens. But yeah, it's like she's totally taking it 1498 01:17:52,560 --> 01:17:56,439 Speaker 1: out on her mom. And also her mom seems happier, 1499 01:17:57,120 --> 01:18:00,080 Speaker 1: Like her mom's going out, she has hobbies, she's with 1500 01:18:00,200 --> 01:18:03,040 Speaker 1: your friends, things that I don't. It's not implied she 1501 01:18:03,240 --> 01:18:05,920 Speaker 1: was really doing when her dad was around. I was like, Georgia, 1502 01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,280 Speaker 1: I think your mom like might be happier without your dad. 1503 01:18:09,479 --> 01:18:11,519 Speaker 1: You would have to accept that. She's like, I hate 1504 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:15,519 Speaker 1: how my mom is wearing clothes she likes and having fun. 1505 01:18:16,880 --> 01:18:19,240 Speaker 1: I missed when my dad was here and she was miserable. 1506 01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:23,000 Speaker 5: But she wasn't miserable. She was really horny for her. 1507 01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:27,479 Speaker 5: It seems like he's just really horny, basically horny for life. 1508 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 1: She's hardy for life. Yeah, I don't know, but I 1509 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,639 Speaker 1: just yeah, that was like a weird. There is sort 1510 01:18:33,640 --> 01:18:36,800 Speaker 1: of like a paternalistic frame to how the parents are shown. 1511 01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,200 Speaker 5: But her dad also played by Alan Davies. 1512 01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:41,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, where do I know him from? 1513 01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:43,640 Speaker 5: Who is easing? Do you watch QI here? 1514 01:18:44,360 --> 01:18:44,760 Speaker 2: No? No? 1515 01:18:45,400 --> 01:18:45,719 Speaker 1: Sorry? 1516 01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:49,799 Speaker 5: Did you watch Oh my God Jonathan Creek? 1517 01:18:50,320 --> 01:18:50,479 Speaker 3: Is that? 1518 01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,160 Speaker 5: What's cooled? 1519 01:18:51,320 --> 01:18:51,360 Speaker 4: No? 1520 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:52,880 Speaker 5: I never watched. 1521 01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:57,719 Speaker 4: Okay, he's just like a really classic British comedian actor. 1522 01:18:58,080 --> 01:18:59,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I recognize him from something, and. 1523 01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:04,560 Speaker 5: He in these murder mysteries. But he's just yeah, he's like, 1524 01:19:04,840 --> 01:19:06,519 Speaker 5: he's like my dad, if you know what I mean. 1525 01:19:06,760 --> 01:19:08,120 Speaker 5: You know these people that you grow up with, and 1526 01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:10,760 Speaker 5: it's like, yeah, I feel like I know him. I've 1527 01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:12,400 Speaker 5: never met him. I don't think i've met him. 1528 01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:15,080 Speaker 1: He's very charming, like yeah, yeah. 1529 01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:16,679 Speaker 5: He's got that kind of energy and everything. 1530 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,559 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I did. I mean it's like her parents 1531 01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:22,080 Speaker 1: do love each other. I don't know, I don't know. 1532 01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,160 Speaker 1: It just feels the movie is weird. 1533 01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,479 Speaker 4: I mean, it's rare that you're allowed to break into 1534 01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:30,320 Speaker 4: your dad's work office to be like, I need my 1535 01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,479 Speaker 4: parents not to boss, so please send him home from 1536 01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:33,000 Speaker 4: his job. 1537 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:35,000 Speaker 5: I mean it's hard to do that. 1538 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,760 Speaker 1: We can't accuse Georgia of not having narrative agency. She 1539 01:19:39,400 --> 01:19:41,599 Speaker 1: literally said bring him home. 1540 01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,400 Speaker 5: And it worked and they were like, yes, we should 1541 01:19:46,400 --> 01:19:47,720 Speaker 5: bring him home and give him a raise. 1542 01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:49,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. 1543 01:19:49,880 --> 01:19:50,200 Speaker 5: I don't know. 1544 01:19:50,280 --> 01:19:54,040 Speaker 3: It's just the movie and the book feel very just 1545 01:19:54,120 --> 01:19:57,080 Speaker 3: reflective of the times and not challenging any of the 1546 01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:02,919 Speaker 3: like internalized misogyny and the like focused on like heteral 1547 01:20:03,960 --> 01:20:04,600 Speaker 3: romance and. 1548 01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:07,200 Speaker 1: Stuff like that, right, which a book of this time, 1549 01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,320 Speaker 1: I feel like it's like, if it was part of 1550 01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,360 Speaker 1: the filmmaker or writer's intent to present that and then 1551 01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:17,599 Speaker 1: challenge it, that could be really useful for young girls, 1552 01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:19,600 Speaker 1: but that's obviously like this is more of just like 1553 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,920 Speaker 1: a reflecting the prejudices of the time persons saying anything 1554 01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:23,240 Speaker 1: about it. 1555 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,400 Speaker 4: It's I think that the success I guess of like 1556 01:20:26,520 --> 01:20:28,840 Speaker 4: something like Mean Girls, which is like the comparison, right 1557 01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,000 Speaker 4: of like fourteen fifteen year old girls. 1558 01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:33,640 Speaker 5: Trying to get a boyfriend, and then there's one like 1559 01:20:33,840 --> 01:20:35,360 Speaker 5: weird one, but. 1560 01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:39,439 Speaker 4: Like, because they're supposed to all suck, it doesn't matter 1561 01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:41,519 Speaker 4: what they say because you know they're bad characters. 1562 01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:44,800 Speaker 5: But then the problem is we're trying to like Georgia, right, 1563 01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,160 Speaker 5: She's yeah, It's like. 1564 01:20:47,200 --> 01:20:50,679 Speaker 1: The Nickelodeon movie style is not built for the kind 1565 01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:55,000 Speaker 1: of character that that Georgia is. I don't know. Yeah, 1566 01:20:55,040 --> 01:20:57,920 Speaker 1: I had a hard time when this look. Yeah, it's 1567 01:20:58,040 --> 01:20:59,320 Speaker 1: a it's a tricky one. 1568 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just it's just had to deal with. 1569 01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:03,599 Speaker 4: Like she gets pushed into a bush by this man. 1570 01:21:03,840 --> 01:21:07,320 Speaker 4: I mean, missy, she's paid this man to go around 1571 01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:08,439 Speaker 4: his house to snog him. 1572 01:21:09,640 --> 01:21:11,800 Speaker 1: And then he's, well, that was consensual. 1573 01:21:12,360 --> 01:21:15,519 Speaker 5: That was consensual, and that's fine. That's a kind of 1574 01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:16,080 Speaker 5: sex work. 1575 01:21:17,439 --> 01:21:19,240 Speaker 1: I was wondering if she does pay him. We don't 1576 01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:21,120 Speaker 1: see money exchanged on the screen. 1577 01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:23,120 Speaker 5: Maybe maybe it's a voluntary service. 1578 01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,360 Speaker 1: Maybe he just doesn't because he wants to snog or 1579 01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:31,240 Speaker 1: he's fourteen years old. I think probably best not to 1580 01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:34,400 Speaker 1: overthink kiss it's a consensual encounter. 1581 01:21:34,840 --> 01:21:36,840 Speaker 5: But maybe he just offers it voluntarily. 1582 01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:37,880 Speaker 1: I don't know for. 1583 01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:42,080 Speaker 3: Sure either way. Yeah, like that that is you know, 1584 01:21:42,240 --> 01:21:45,840 Speaker 3: two consenting parties. It's not snogging. But then he does 1585 01:21:45,920 --> 01:21:47,639 Speaker 3: surprise kiss her and put. 1586 01:21:47,560 --> 01:21:50,439 Speaker 5: Her into a bush. Here shelter, you shelter, and people 1587 01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:51,960 Speaker 5: are not sympathetic about it. 1588 01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:54,080 Speaker 1: No, And then that's like her best friend calls her 1589 01:21:54,240 --> 01:21:56,920 Speaker 1: basically like the next thing was jazz. Jazz is so 1590 01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:57,720 Speaker 1: mean to her. 1591 01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:59,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, like, well, your nickers were just stop. 1592 01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:02,799 Speaker 1: They were too big, Mike, they were too big. Grandma 1593 01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:04,120 Speaker 1: whears nickers like that. 1594 01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:07,280 Speaker 4: I was like we And I was like, that's upsetting 1595 01:22:07,320 --> 01:22:09,840 Speaker 4: because I feel like, also I remembering a teenager and 1596 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:12,920 Speaker 4: that sort of thing may be kind of happening and 1597 01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:15,280 Speaker 4: people not being sympathetic because it is your fault. 1598 01:22:15,880 --> 01:22:19,080 Speaker 3: I mean again, very reflective of the time. Yeah, there's 1599 01:22:19,080 --> 01:22:21,840 Speaker 3: also something that I'm glad the movie leaves out, but 1600 01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,160 Speaker 3: that is present in the book where she has this 1601 01:22:24,439 --> 01:22:26,840 Speaker 3: cousin who comes to visit every now and then, and 1602 01:22:26,920 --> 01:22:27,320 Speaker 3: then like. 1603 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'd forgotten about the cousin. Whoa, and you already 1604 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,080 Speaker 4: do broadcast stuff, don't you. 1605 01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,360 Speaker 3: So like the cousin is like a boy her age, 1606 01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:39,640 Speaker 3: but he's like ancestually like groping her leg and I 1607 01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:42,800 Speaker 3: think tries to kiss her and like, yes, like really 1608 01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:47,840 Speaker 3: upsetting troubling things. Again, the movie leaves this out, but again, 1609 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,200 Speaker 3: but also the book doesn't. Like She's just like, well 1610 01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:51,880 Speaker 3: that was weird. I don't want to hang out with 1611 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:55,439 Speaker 3: that cousin anymore. A very like you know, fourteen year 1612 01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:56,000 Speaker 3: old way. 1613 01:22:55,920 --> 01:22:59,559 Speaker 5: To process that, honest, see how I process it? No, right, 1614 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,200 Speaker 5: you Honestly, if that happened, I'd be like, I'm going 1615 01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:04,800 Speaker 5: to hang out less than my cousin. Yea, for sure. 1616 01:23:05,680 --> 01:23:08,240 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know this. The book in the 1617 01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:11,040 Speaker 1: movie touch on things that like aren't. 1618 01:23:10,960 --> 01:23:15,360 Speaker 5: Equipped to like really handle it handle right. Yeah. 1619 01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:20,400 Speaker 1: Well, and I also read that Louise rennaiscing Yeah, started 1620 01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,920 Speaker 1: as like an edgy stand up and it feels like 1621 01:23:23,040 --> 01:23:25,320 Speaker 1: she just sort of adapted that style to her fourteen 1622 01:23:25,360 --> 01:23:29,320 Speaker 1: year old's voice, which like didn't work is a standard yeah, 1623 01:23:29,360 --> 01:23:31,240 Speaker 1: And then I guess she wrote these books in her forties, 1624 01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,439 Speaker 1: Like she didn't start as a youth writer. So it's like, 1625 01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:36,559 Speaker 1: I see what she's going for and it definitely worked 1626 01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:37,360 Speaker 1: for us at the time. 1627 01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,200 Speaker 4: This comedy doesn't work out, I'm gonna write inappropriate books. 1628 01:23:45,120 --> 01:23:50,120 Speaker 5: Famously, like don't Read Now. Publishing is very famously not 1629 01:23:50,240 --> 01:23:55,200 Speaker 5: a well paid, no, not a livable gig. 1630 01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,040 Speaker 3: Something that the movie does and I think the book 1631 01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:02,160 Speaker 3: does to a slightly more extent, is like commentary from 1632 01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:08,200 Speaker 3: Georgia talking about how like unoriginal, uncreative, how dim boys are, 1633 01:24:09,080 --> 01:24:13,519 Speaker 3: how they're like losers who she generally doesn't want. And 1634 01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:16,920 Speaker 3: there's like I think one extra boy that she like 1635 01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:18,920 Speaker 3: dates for a little while in the book that's not 1636 01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:21,160 Speaker 3: in the movie, but she's like always trying to avoid 1637 01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:22,680 Speaker 3: him because she's like, I don't even know if I 1638 01:24:23,040 --> 01:24:25,960 Speaker 3: like him, but it's nice to have a boyfriend because 1639 01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,160 Speaker 3: that's that's what society tells me I should have. So 1640 01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:31,040 Speaker 3: you know, there's things like that. But I do like 1641 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,120 Speaker 3: that she's often like ragging on boys. 1642 01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:38,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, and also the boys aren't very fully formed, they're 1643 01:24:39,200 --> 01:24:41,120 Speaker 5: very they're undeveloped. 1644 01:24:41,439 --> 01:24:45,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, does anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss. 1645 01:24:45,800 --> 01:24:47,640 Speaker 1: I wanted to just touch really quick on how they 1646 01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:53,759 Speaker 1: had the Lindsay character. Yeah, because they are. I felt 1647 01:24:53,800 --> 01:24:56,720 Speaker 1: like like there should is there a phrase for this 1648 01:24:57,120 --> 01:24:59,880 Speaker 1: where it was like the movie was extremely focused on 1649 01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:02,000 Speaker 1: her body. There was literally like a close up of 1650 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:07,000 Speaker 1: her boobs because because you're seeing I think her body 1651 01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:10,040 Speaker 1: from like George's perspective of like she's hyper focused on 1652 01:25:10,240 --> 01:25:13,280 Speaker 1: So it is the female gaze, but it's still not great. 1653 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,640 Speaker 5: But the female game is very judgmentally yes, yes, and 1654 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:17,559 Speaker 5: like which it can. 1655 01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:21,360 Speaker 1: Be that absolutely and like that's sort of how I like, 1656 01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,160 Speaker 1: I don't love how they treat Lindsay at the beginning 1657 01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:26,080 Speaker 1: where they just sort of say she's mean, but then 1658 01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:29,519 Speaker 1: they hyper fixate on her body. But then it turns 1659 01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,200 Speaker 1: out like the judgment they're projecting on her turns out 1660 01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:35,000 Speaker 1: to be true and she is mean, and I feel 1661 01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:38,200 Speaker 1: like it's, yeah, like they just have no these girls 1662 01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:41,960 Speaker 1: have no empathy for each other whatsoever, which can be true, 1663 01:25:42,120 --> 01:25:44,959 Speaker 1: it seems, but I'm like, it just made me really uncomfortable, 1664 01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:47,240 Speaker 1: especially at the end when Lindsay comes back and you know, 1665 01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,559 Speaker 1: does the whole like you're a bitch and he's my boyfriend, 1666 01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:55,040 Speaker 1: like just not even acting like a person. I don't know. 1667 01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:57,599 Speaker 3: Oh, and then they humiliate her by like ripping out 1668 01:25:57,640 --> 01:25:58,840 Speaker 3: the silicone. 1669 01:25:58,400 --> 01:26:01,800 Speaker 1: Like bra and she's is having a carry moment and 1670 01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,479 Speaker 1: then but the music is like, yeah, like. 1671 01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:07,960 Speaker 5: She wears faked. You shouldn't reach into people's bros. 1672 01:26:08,040 --> 01:26:11,280 Speaker 1: No, that's assault. That is assault. And it's also like 1673 01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:12,200 Speaker 1: I don't know. 1674 01:26:12,360 --> 01:26:14,280 Speaker 5: And then it's having a bad time anyway because she's 1675 01:26:14,280 --> 01:26:16,559 Speaker 5: already a bathday when no one's uh at the club. 1676 01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:22,000 Speaker 5: I also has two clubs, they're both free Friday night, 1677 01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,640 Speaker 5: and that two teenagers hire them out instead. I was 1678 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,040 Speaker 5: like this is not realistic. 1679 01:26:27,160 --> 01:26:29,640 Speaker 1: It's really I just like thought that character was so 1680 01:26:30,040 --> 01:26:33,080 Speaker 1: uneven in the way she was treated, especially because I 1681 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:37,960 Speaker 1: don't know, like being a teen without Teddies in two 1682 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:40,439 Speaker 1: thousand and eight, there would be pressure to like I 1683 01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:44,360 Speaker 1: remember like wearing padded bras in the two thousands because 1684 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:45,920 Speaker 1: I didn't want to get made fun of for having 1685 01:26:45,960 --> 01:26:48,760 Speaker 1: small boobs. There's no way to win. Yeah, there's no 1686 01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:50,880 Speaker 1: way to win. And the fact that they are like 1687 01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:54,479 Speaker 1: extremely judgmental for her, which for what I'm they make 1688 01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,000 Speaker 1: it seem like, I feel like it's a very common 1689 01:26:56,080 --> 01:27:01,920 Speaker 1: internalized misogyny thing. They project that she is like vain 1690 01:27:02,680 --> 01:27:07,479 Speaker 1: and not that they're that like the oppressive ways that 1691 01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:09,960 Speaker 1: women's bodies are viewed applies to them, but not to 1692 01:27:10,040 --> 01:27:12,840 Speaker 1: Lindsay because they don't like her, and it's just like, well, 1693 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:16,000 Speaker 1: no like. But then Lindsay turns out to be awful 1694 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:16,559 Speaker 1: and she does. 1695 01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:23,879 Speaker 5: Hoky stics, right, Well, maybe we know she's bad. 1696 01:27:24,840 --> 01:27:26,439 Speaker 3: Well because of the thing is like, if she is 1697 01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,960 Speaker 3: mean and mean to them, that is a great reason 1698 01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:29,760 Speaker 3: not to like her. 1699 01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:33,280 Speaker 4: But if someone spy don't meet through my house, maybe 1700 01:27:33,280 --> 01:27:36,639 Speaker 4: I would hit them home with hoy stacks and it's. 1701 01:27:36,640 --> 01:27:40,000 Speaker 3: Like her being mean is separate from her like, you know, 1702 01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:43,320 Speaker 3: succumbing to societal pressure to try to be attractive. But 1703 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,800 Speaker 3: that's I think a larger reason why they don't like her, 1704 01:27:45,960 --> 01:27:47,479 Speaker 3: versus like that she's mean. 1705 01:27:48,280 --> 01:27:51,000 Speaker 5: It seems that way they don't like her, Yeah, because 1706 01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:52,800 Speaker 5: she's the hall right. 1707 01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,960 Speaker 1: It's and it's also like, yeah, it's fine to imply 1708 01:27:56,160 --> 01:27:58,600 Speaker 1: that they don't like her because she's mean, but it 1709 01:27:58,760 --> 01:28:01,320 Speaker 1: just doesn't I don't know, it just doesn't really feel 1710 01:28:01,360 --> 01:28:04,240 Speaker 1: like the whole story. And also it's like, I don't know, 1711 01:28:04,360 --> 01:28:09,400 Speaker 1: there's grown ups made this movie, like like you can, like. 1712 01:28:09,479 --> 01:28:12,679 Speaker 5: You've got to remember all the time the two men 1713 01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:15,439 Speaker 5: and two American men, people. 1714 01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:17,880 Speaker 1: In their forties made this whole thing, and so it 1715 01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:20,599 Speaker 1: was like so it's like, yeah, it is. I feel 1716 01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,240 Speaker 1: like there is like a level of authenticity of like 1717 01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure we all have examples of like whether it 1718 01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:28,799 Speaker 1: was happening to you or coming from you, like resenting 1719 01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,479 Speaker 1: other girls for their body, especially at this age, Like 1720 01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:35,880 Speaker 1: I remember being really jealous of, like and like resentful 1721 01:28:36,040 --> 01:28:38,280 Speaker 1: in some ways of girls who were more developed than 1722 01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:40,519 Speaker 1: I was. It's a fine thing to reflect, but again 1723 01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:42,720 Speaker 1: it's like they just show it and they're like, and 1724 01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:45,880 Speaker 1: that's how the world is. And there's no like, I 1725 01:28:45,960 --> 01:28:47,960 Speaker 1: don't know, not that it needed to be like a 1726 01:28:48,200 --> 01:28:51,400 Speaker 1: you know, total Disney movie of like I'm sorry I 1727 01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:54,760 Speaker 1: was mean to you about your boobs or whatever the fuck, 1728 01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:58,519 Speaker 1: but like it just is presented very like, yeah, Lindsay's horrible, 1729 01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:02,960 Speaker 1: and show is her slaggy body. Like it just feels 1730 01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:04,439 Speaker 1: like it's all included. 1731 01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:06,600 Speaker 3: And she deserves to be humiliated at the end, and 1732 01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,400 Speaker 3: Georgia deserves to have the reward of a cute boyfriend. 1733 01:29:10,479 --> 01:29:14,400 Speaker 5: And the end a really huge party, like it doesn't 1734 01:29:14,400 --> 01:29:18,120 Speaker 5: imply that Georgia is particularly popular, and there's a hundreds 1735 01:29:18,200 --> 01:29:21,360 Speaker 5: of and no one goes to Lindsay's party. And I 1736 01:29:21,439 --> 01:29:23,240 Speaker 5: was like, I don't see it, Like what, No, she 1737 01:29:23,280 --> 01:29:25,200 Speaker 5: did all this internal work and everyone's watched from a 1738 01:29:25,240 --> 01:29:27,320 Speaker 5: distance and was like, you've got really good with yogas, 1739 01:29:27,360 --> 01:29:29,240 Speaker 5: so now we're will come to your past. 1740 01:29:29,479 --> 01:29:32,479 Speaker 1: If I was Ellen, I wouldn't even show up, Like, 1741 01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:33,800 Speaker 1: you've never said a nice thing to me. 1742 01:29:33,960 --> 01:29:36,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, you've been bullying me the whole movie. Well, you 1743 01:29:36,880 --> 01:29:38,960 Speaker 3: have to remember that there are so many adults at 1744 01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:40,760 Speaker 3: this party, including both of her parents and. 1745 01:29:40,840 --> 01:29:41,920 Speaker 5: Her grandparents and her. 1746 01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,559 Speaker 3: And the interior decorator, which, by the way, Jem, who 1747 01:29:48,800 --> 01:29:51,600 Speaker 3: is like the interior decorator, is like, hello, I'm an 1748 01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:54,800 Speaker 3: interior decorator. Obviously I'm gay, and it's like, okay, that. 1749 01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:59,160 Speaker 4: Was wild where it was like suddenly she was like no, 1750 01:29:59,520 --> 01:30:02,519 Speaker 4: don't an affair with Jem and everyone he was like hello, 1751 01:30:03,720 --> 01:30:05,880 Speaker 4: and it was like okay, but he's not actually said 1752 01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:09,360 Speaker 4: to hello like that the whole time, so we didn't. 1753 01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:12,560 Speaker 1: Know that literally, Like it was just I was like, 1754 01:30:12,760 --> 01:30:15,320 Speaker 1: was this Did people see this in two thousand and 1755 01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:17,760 Speaker 1: eight and be like wow, representation is so important, Like. 1756 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:22,640 Speaker 5: I didn't even know that. I knew he was an 1757 01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:30,280 Speaker 5: interior decorator. Yeah, right, Like no, that means anything I need. 1758 01:30:30,400 --> 01:30:33,960 Speaker 5: We can't, of course, but she can come in all sexuality. 1759 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,720 Speaker 1: She calls him a builder the whole time, and then 1760 01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:38,200 Speaker 1: he's like why would you lie about that? 1761 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,640 Speaker 5: And also build, he is. 1762 01:30:40,760 --> 01:30:43,679 Speaker 1: An interior decorator. Nothing about the house changes. 1763 01:30:43,960 --> 01:30:44,800 Speaker 5: What did he do? 1764 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:49,400 Speaker 1: He's a bad He takes off his shirt and just 1765 01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:50,479 Speaker 1: sort of looks at the wall. 1766 01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:55,559 Speaker 5: Yeah, what is he like when he's existing a light bulb? 1767 01:30:56,040 --> 01:30:58,040 Speaker 1: And then yeah, they just go out dancing all the time. 1768 01:30:59,080 --> 01:31:00,920 Speaker 5: That's what I mean when I which you don't do 1769 01:31:01,320 --> 01:31:02,000 Speaker 5: with your. 1770 01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:07,320 Speaker 1: Question to bring them back to boying parents. That's exactly 1771 01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:09,120 Speaker 1: what it is like there. If you like think about 1772 01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:11,200 Speaker 1: what they just always do the goofiest thing possible in 1773 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:13,519 Speaker 1: this scene, that's the most embarrassing. But if you think about, like, well, 1774 01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:15,320 Speaker 1: what are they actually doing, like, the answer is like, 1775 01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I have. 1776 01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:17,360 Speaker 5: No fucking idea what they're doing. 1777 01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:21,800 Speaker 1: They're just they were born to embarrass Georgia. That's all 1778 01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:24,479 Speaker 1: they do. Yeah, yeah, my last thing. 1779 01:31:24,760 --> 01:31:26,439 Speaker 3: And we've already touched on this, but it's just like 1780 01:31:26,680 --> 01:31:29,920 Speaker 3: yet another example of a coming of age movie about 1781 01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:34,000 Speaker 3: teen girls that center white middle class to upper middle 1782 01:31:34,040 --> 01:31:39,519 Speaker 3: class characters. And that's so many of movies of this ILK. Yeah, 1783 01:31:39,520 --> 01:31:41,519 Speaker 3: and this is yet another entry into. 1784 01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:43,919 Speaker 1: That cannon. 1785 01:31:44,920 --> 01:31:47,800 Speaker 5: So Christian not Bend and I Beckham. So that's weird 1786 01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:48,840 Speaker 5: that I know. 1787 01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:53,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess, yeah, the takeaway skip this movie 1788 01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:55,639 Speaker 3: and watch Bend it like Beckham instead. 1789 01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:00,320 Speaker 1: Honestly, Yeah, And I don't think that the director agree 1790 01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:02,439 Speaker 1: with them. I think she would probably be like, no, 1791 01:32:02,600 --> 01:32:03,160 Speaker 1: definitely that one. 1792 01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,439 Speaker 4: Well, I mean I found it funny but in a 1793 01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:09,920 Speaker 4: painful way. Yes, there were parts I had to I will. 1794 01:32:10,040 --> 01:32:12,160 Speaker 1: It's like one of the movies that I understand why 1795 01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,080 Speaker 1: people liked it at the time, but like it's such 1796 01:32:15,120 --> 01:32:16,960 Speaker 1: a product of its time and there's so many better 1797 01:32:17,000 --> 01:32:20,920 Speaker 1: alternatives that I wouldn't be Like even for nostalgia. I 1798 01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,120 Speaker 1: feel like it wasn't it wasn't great. 1799 01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:26,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it was bad nostalgia. It was it was triggering. 1800 01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,080 Speaker 4: Because it was like, oh, I did live this, but 1801 01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,000 Speaker 4: I wouldn't want. I have no desire to read of 1802 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:32,479 Speaker 4: my teenage. 1803 01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:35,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, nostalgia culture is wild in that way where you're like, oh, yeah, 1804 01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:40,080 Speaker 1: I really miss when people would bully you for fucking anything. Yeah, 1805 01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean not that that's not true now, but it's 1806 01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:45,880 Speaker 1: different now. Different anyways. Yeah, this movie does pass the 1807 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,360 Speaker 1: Bechdel test, but not very much. They're mostly talking about boys, 1808 01:32:49,439 --> 01:32:51,880 Speaker 1: if I think it mainly passes when they're talking about 1809 01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,439 Speaker 1: angus or what they think. 1810 01:32:54,280 --> 01:32:57,760 Speaker 5: About, but not frontal of the women. 1811 01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:00,439 Speaker 1: Right, I was saying when they're judging each other's bodies, 1812 01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:03,439 Speaker 1: I think that whole like scene where they're passing around 1813 01:33:03,600 --> 01:33:05,599 Speaker 1: the notes of like judging each other's spot. 1814 01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:09,519 Speaker 5: For each other's bodies. Out of ten Okay, that. 1815 01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:11,240 Speaker 1: With my friend. I hope I didn't do that, but 1816 01:33:11,320 --> 01:33:16,160 Speaker 1: that's I remember boys doing that to girls. Yeah, god, yeah, 1817 01:33:16,479 --> 01:33:19,200 Speaker 1: I'll never forget seventh grade, there was like a list 1818 01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:21,519 Speaker 1: going around and it accidentally came to my desk of 1819 01:33:21,680 --> 01:33:24,600 Speaker 1: like the boys were ranking girls by butt and I 1820 01:33:24,760 --> 01:33:28,160 Speaker 1: remembered being like, I'm in I'm in the middle, just coast, 1821 01:33:28,439 --> 01:33:30,439 Speaker 1: just coast. Yeah, but it was like, I mean horrible, 1822 01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,960 Speaker 1: but I and I know that like young women especially 1823 01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,519 Speaker 1: that time, were you know, conditioned to judge each other too, 1824 01:33:36,840 --> 01:33:39,160 Speaker 1: But that seem was so weird. It passes the Bechel test, 1825 01:33:39,200 --> 01:33:41,479 Speaker 1: but it's just being like, here's what's ugly about you. Yeah, 1826 01:33:41,600 --> 01:33:44,559 Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, your nose gets a four out of ten. Yeah, 1827 01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:46,840 Speaker 1: and that's what she's So it'scure about I know, I 1828 01:33:47,000 --> 01:33:48,800 Speaker 1: kind of didn't forgive Jazz for that. I was like, 1829 01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:51,519 Speaker 1: that was that was dark. You shouldn't have done that. 1830 01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:54,320 Speaker 3: So, yeah, it does pass the Bechtel test, but most 1831 01:33:54,360 --> 01:33:57,479 Speaker 3: of the conversations, either the context or the subtext is 1832 01:33:57,560 --> 01:34:00,800 Speaker 3: still about boys and being attractive to boys and stuff 1833 01:34:00,800 --> 01:34:04,440 Speaker 3: like that, so it's like almost not pass Honestly. 1834 01:34:05,160 --> 01:34:06,799 Speaker 1: Spiritually, I don't feel like it passes. 1835 01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, as far as our nipple scale, though, where 1836 01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,519 Speaker 3: we rate the movie based on a scale of zero 1837 01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:18,080 Speaker 3: to five nipples, examining it through an intersectional feminist lens. 1838 01:34:19,080 --> 01:34:19,960 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give it, like. 1839 01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,040 Speaker 3: I'll say, like a one, somewhere between like a one 1840 01:34:24,080 --> 01:34:26,439 Speaker 3: point five and a two maybe, like I guess one 1841 01:34:26,479 --> 01:34:31,479 Speaker 3: point seventy five, just because it is about young girls 1842 01:34:31,960 --> 01:34:37,439 Speaker 3: and they are friends that are like mostly on good 1843 01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:40,320 Speaker 3: terms with each other, except for when they're bullying Ellen. 1844 01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:47,360 Speaker 1: Or they're you know, fighting or horrible to each other. Yeah, 1845 01:34:47,640 --> 01:34:50,320 Speaker 1: it is definitely about younger. 1846 01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,320 Speaker 5: Girls, but it's it is very much one. 1847 01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:54,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go one. 1848 01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:00,559 Speaker 3: Okay, I'll give all my nipples to Angus the cat obviously, Okay. 1849 01:35:00,600 --> 01:35:03,080 Speaker 1: I love to hear it. I'll meet you at one 1850 01:35:03,160 --> 01:35:07,000 Speaker 1: point five. I And it's partially out of like my 1851 01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:12,080 Speaker 1: love for Garundo Chada's other work. And it was really 1852 01:35:12,200 --> 01:35:15,880 Speaker 1: nice reading about how, like how the young actors on 1853 01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:18,280 Speaker 1: set learned a lot from her and felt empowered by 1854 01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:23,200 Speaker 1: like watching a woman direct a movie which happened even 1855 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,599 Speaker 1: less then than it did now, and particularly a woman 1856 01:35:25,640 --> 01:35:28,040 Speaker 1: of color, and like there's there are things to love about, 1857 01:35:28,160 --> 01:35:31,599 Speaker 1: but like, but I like the behind the scenes story 1858 01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:34,240 Speaker 1: way more than I like the actual product. It's just 1859 01:35:34,320 --> 01:35:37,920 Speaker 1: like so of its time. It feels really studio workshopped 1860 01:35:38,080 --> 01:35:43,160 Speaker 1: to death and yeah, justice for Ellen. So I'll go 1861 01:35:43,520 --> 01:35:45,960 Speaker 1: one point five and I'll also give them to Angus 1862 01:35:46,040 --> 01:35:49,200 Speaker 1: and now Gus three three, Well, he's half cats have 1863 01:35:49,439 --> 01:35:53,639 Speaker 1: eight nipples? Oh way, how did how did you? Jamie cat? 1864 01:35:54,120 --> 01:35:54,240 Speaker 2: Well? 1865 01:35:54,280 --> 01:35:55,960 Speaker 3: I haven't, to be fair, I have not talked about 1866 01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:57,599 Speaker 3: cat facts with Caitlin in a very long time. 1867 01:35:57,720 --> 01:36:00,599 Speaker 1: I count my own cat's nipples and I only see, well, 1868 01:36:00,640 --> 01:36:03,000 Speaker 1: some of them do only have six, okay, but some 1869 01:36:03,120 --> 01:36:07,280 Speaker 1: of them have eight. Casper has six. Wow, I know special, 1870 01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:09,200 Speaker 1: unless he's got some fair tires. 1871 01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:11,640 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe they'rehidden. Some of them I think are kind 1872 01:36:11,640 --> 01:36:12,519 Speaker 3: of smaller than the others. 1873 01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:17,040 Speaker 1: His are like very out. It's weird. Yeah, yeah, like 1874 01:36:17,080 --> 01:36:18,240 Speaker 1: you're not even using these things? 1875 01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:18,680 Speaker 5: What do you do? 1876 01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:21,400 Speaker 3: I also quickly want to say, to be clear, the 1877 01:36:22,280 --> 01:36:26,320 Speaker 3: hetero girls liking boys is not inherently bad, Like I 1878 01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,960 Speaker 3: don't know, it's just that like the way it's framed 1879 01:36:28,960 --> 01:36:32,160 Speaker 3: in this movie, and also all the extra stuff of 1880 01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,720 Speaker 3: them being homophobic and fat phobic and all that kind 1881 01:36:34,760 --> 01:36:36,559 Speaker 3: of stuff. It's just it could have been framed very 1882 01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:38,360 Speaker 3: differently or thought more thoughtfully. 1883 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:40,800 Speaker 1: And I think it's like just the thing that we 1884 01:36:40,920 --> 01:36:42,960 Speaker 1: talk about a lot in movies like this, where it's 1885 01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,960 Speaker 1: it's not even like of course, like you know, most 1886 01:36:46,160 --> 01:36:49,479 Speaker 1: kids that age are becoming interested in someone. I mean, 1887 01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:53,800 Speaker 1: this is very heteronormative. But also they usually have a 1888 01:36:53,880 --> 01:36:57,360 Speaker 1: hobby or like another interest or like something that they 1889 01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,920 Speaker 1: bond over that isn't just talking about each other. It's 1890 01:37:00,200 --> 01:37:03,080 Speaker 1: like their whole friendship is predicated on judging each other 1891 01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:06,360 Speaker 1: and trying to get boys. Where it's like I'm sure, 1892 01:37:06,560 --> 01:37:09,080 Speaker 1: like like I did that with my friends, but we 1893 01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,120 Speaker 1: also like loved watching TV. 1894 01:37:13,680 --> 01:37:18,639 Speaker 3: I'd play soccer with my friends all these things. So yeah, yeah, anyway, okay, 1895 01:37:18,920 --> 01:37:19,639 Speaker 3: what's your nipple? 1896 01:37:19,720 --> 01:37:19,840 Speaker 1: Rab? 1897 01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:21,080 Speaker 5: I think one point five is fair? 1898 01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:25,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, one one and a half nipples And maybe 1899 01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:27,160 Speaker 4: I'm going to give them to Gem's boyfriend. 1900 01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:31,240 Speaker 1: Oh wait, oh yeah. We don't learn his name, but 1901 01:37:31,360 --> 01:37:32,200 Speaker 1: he only no but. 1902 01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:35,080 Speaker 4: He's a gay guy who owns a nightclub in Eastbourne, 1903 01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,280 Speaker 4: which is actually incredibly aggressive for two thousand and eight. 1904 01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,040 Speaker 5: I'm surprised that there was. And he seems like he's 1905 01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:42,800 Speaker 5: a man of color. 1906 01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:43,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. 1907 01:37:43,720 --> 01:37:43,920 Speaker 5: Yeah. 1908 01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,720 Speaker 4: So I'm surprised that there's a man of color, a 1909 01:37:45,800 --> 01:37:49,879 Speaker 4: queer man of color who owns a nightclub in Eastpown 1910 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:51,880 Speaker 4: in two thousand and eight because I was willing to 1911 01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:53,880 Speaker 4: rent it out to a fifteen year old. 1912 01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:56,080 Speaker 1: I was like, maybe the business is struggling and you 1913 01:37:56,160 --> 01:37:57,880 Speaker 1: had to rent it out to a fifteen year olds. 1914 01:37:58,000 --> 01:38:00,840 Speaker 5: But I'm like, yeah, you, yeah, you're There's a lot 1915 01:38:00,880 --> 01:38:03,080 Speaker 5: of representation because he's one character. 1916 01:38:03,200 --> 01:38:04,960 Speaker 1: This is a very like conservative area. 1917 01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:08,600 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just like full of old people. I don't know, 1918 01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:11,519 Speaker 4: so I'm just I love that for him. He lives 1919 01:38:11,560 --> 01:38:16,720 Speaker 4: by the sea with his boyfriend. He's aner. They're doing 1920 01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:17,519 Speaker 4: really well for themselves. 1921 01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:21,200 Speaker 1: Inspirational. Yeah, Kate, thank you so much for joining Thank 1922 01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:24,120 Speaker 1: you today. Where can we find you online? Where can 1923 01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:24,559 Speaker 1: we follow? 1924 01:38:24,640 --> 01:38:29,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, Kate Checker c htka Instagram. That's basically beautiful. 1925 01:38:30,160 --> 01:38:32,360 Speaker 3: Thanks for coming on and come back anytime. Thank you 1926 01:38:32,439 --> 01:38:35,040 Speaker 3: for having me Caitlyn from the Future popping in here. 1927 01:38:35,200 --> 01:38:38,640 Speaker 3: Because our memory card ran out of storage before we 1928 01:38:38,680 --> 01:38:42,640 Speaker 3: could do plugs, so I'm doing everyone's plugs, starting with 1929 01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:46,000 Speaker 3: our guest Kate Cheka. Big thanks to her once again 1930 01:38:46,040 --> 01:38:48,800 Speaker 3: for joining us on this episode. She has a great 1931 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:53,160 Speaker 3: solo show called A Messiah Comes, which she is doing 1932 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:57,960 Speaker 3: at Soho Theater in London on January sixteenth, seventeenth, and eighteenth. 1933 01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,080 Speaker 3: Tickets are available at the Soho Theater website will include 1934 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:05,519 Speaker 3: the link in the description of this episode. 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