Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Cody, I I agree entirely. It's it's
Speaker 1: like the the world we live in, we've come to
Speaker 1: realize is careening towards disaster, and we have very little
Speaker 1: say in actually arresting that disaster. And the elites that
Speaker 1: have have brought us here have entrenched their power so
Speaker 1: deeply that people can't even conceive of a world without
Speaker 1: a boot on their neck, and so we all just
Speaker 1: kind of grasp for the artifacts of our childhood for
Speaker 1: those last moments before we realized how deep the problems were,
Speaker 1: and that's got us all stuck in this kind of
Speaker 1: endless cycle of worshiping the dead remnants of our of
Speaker 1: our youth. Anyway, how are you doing today? Oh? Asorry
Speaker 1: from that all that stuff? They couldn't be well, I
Speaker 1: could be better, but you know I'm doing all right.
Speaker 1: Have you enjoyed and or I've enjoyed the few that
Speaker 1: I've been able to sit down and watch. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's good, Um, I A plus well, so far A
Speaker 1: A so far A plus. I I think I've watched
Speaker 1: through all of it and it's quite good. Um. Everything
Speaker 1: about it is correct in terms of what should be
Speaker 1: done with. Yes, France it's this. It's this thing I've
Speaker 1: been saying, where like the reason the first Star Wars
Speaker 1: movies were great is that George Lucas everyone around him,
Speaker 1: including his his ex wife who was the editor on
Speaker 1: those three movies and one of Oscars and stuff great
Speaker 1: film editor were like, George has consistently of a great
Speaker 1: idea and if you can cut the other eight percent
Speaker 1: out of it and replace it with like something vaguely reasonable,
Speaker 1: uh and not not unhinged, then you get pretty darn
Speaker 1: good movies. And then for the prequels, he just got
Speaker 1: let off the leash and there was a lot of nonsense,
Speaker 1: and and Or seems to have taken that like core
Speaker 1: of stuff that was cool about the prequels and anyway,
Speaker 1: this is behind the ball streets. Also just like uh,
Speaker 1: cohesive UM vision yeah, which I think obviously the sequels
Speaker 1: didn't have one. Not good in my opinion. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1: One of the only um I think positives of the
Speaker 1: prequels is that at least the vision was cohesive, like
Speaker 1: they all like look the same, they're trying to like, yeah, exactly. Um.
Speaker 1: So that's I think a positive for and Or. But
Speaker 1: also just like it's um, it's just written well, it's
Speaker 1: written extremely writers are doing a good job writing like
Speaker 1: scenes and lines and their scenes in it, at least
Speaker 1: in the first few that I've watched or have been,
Speaker 1: Like that didn't have to be in the Star Wars universe,
Speaker 1: Like that was just a scene. That was a good
Speaker 1: scene between two people who happened to like have like,
Speaker 1: you know, laser guns on their hips. You know they've done.
Speaker 1: Really appreciate good job of Like, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: evil in the show, but a majority of the actors
Speaker 1: are self interested but not actively malicious, even when they're
Speaker 1: contributing to terribly malicious systems, which is a shows a
Speaker 1: nuanced under standing of how evil actually occurs most often
Speaker 1: in the real world that I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of just consideration and thought that seems to
Speaker 1: have gotten to it. Yeah, not not a whole lot
Speaker 1: of the Boba Fetts of the world. I think I
Speaker 1: have Boba's feet. Yeah, the Bubba the Bubba Feats didn't
Speaker 1: quite nail it well. I haven't seen a second of
Speaker 1: that show. I actually think they're all They're all perfectly fun. Um,
Speaker 1: as long as it's got fucking Pedro Pascal and I'll
Speaker 1: keep watching. Oh yeah for sure. By the way, Pedro,
Speaker 1: this is behind the Bastards about bad people. We are
Speaker 1: taking another easy week by going through episode two, season
Speaker 1: one Dragons, Monsters, and Men, the Jordan's Peterson series, in
Speaker 1: which he sits in a comfortable chair and just kind
Speaker 1: of talks um like, I don't look when people say
Speaker 1: he seems like he's off his meds. That that often
Speaker 1: can be an offensive statement, but he does seem like
Speaker 1: he's off his meds or like on the wrong meds,
Speaker 1: or on the wrong meds, or or hasn't been medicated
Speaker 1: for the right thing. Um. Either way, whatever is going
Speaker 1: on with Jordan Peterson's drug use, it's not right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: fix your drug use. Jordan's so episode two after our
Speaker 1: Game of Thrones esque opening for oh yeah no, So
Speaker 1: if he want, don't you play us a clipping as
Speaker 1: bad boy, let's go. Let's let's just remind everybody, Oh
Speaker 1: my god, like I blocked this outs. This is what
Speaker 1: they spent almost as much money on as fucking Jordan
Speaker 1: Peterson himself urn us out. It's like a fucking video
Speaker 1: game loading and it's so good. A after this, I
Speaker 1: should be clicking continue and then like hitting a windigo
Speaker 1: with an axe. But yeah. Episode two opens with the
Speaker 1: title card arm Yourself on a red background, and then
Speaker 1: we're back to Jordan's with his like hands together looking
Speaker 1: at his fingers just kind of like awkwardly. And it's
Speaker 1: such a funny transition, like just sudden. It's like I
Speaker 1: can't even say they didn't do it on purpose, know
Speaker 1: how funny it was. But also they didn't because there
Speaker 1: have to be a few people at the Daily Wire
Speaker 1: who like, know it's bullshit and know how stupid and
Speaker 1: silly all this is, but are just like I gotta
Speaker 1: get you know, paycheck, and I just I don't care,
Speaker 1: but maybe tweaking a little make it funny. This is
Speaker 1: a furniture behind him. There is a chair behind him.
Speaker 1: Again this I would love to have a library. I
Speaker 1: think that it's very nice looking. There's more chairs back here.
Speaker 1: I think I count one to three or five, six seven.
Speaker 1: It looks like an ideal salon, like intellectual workplace where
Speaker 1: it's like kind of there's a little bit almost of
Speaker 1: like an industrial vibe. You can see like bricks in
Speaker 1: the background, like maybe it was like a storage or
Speaker 1: like a hanger or a big garage, but they've they
Speaker 1: put in a bunch of nice bookshelves and nice furnitures
Speaker 1: and wood paneling. There's like maybe a little bar table
Speaker 1: in the back left corner where Jordan Peterson can have
Speaker 1: a single sip of cider and then sleep. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: there's legitimately like at least ten shares visible in this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson has a lot of people over to discuss
Speaker 1: his ideas, like that your evil uncle is never to
Speaker 1: be argued with, even when he's the Catholic church and
Speaker 1: molesting children anyway, whatever it's like in honor of like
Speaker 1: you know, the fallen philosophers of And then the chair
Speaker 1: behind him, Emmanuel Kant over there in the corner with
Speaker 1: that like one wiry, uncomfortable looking one fucking yeah, empty
Speaker 1: chairs at empty tables. Heidigger probably in that like back
Speaker 1: corner next to all the cleaning bottles, it looks like anyway.
Speaker 1: So once the episode opens, Peterson immediately starts talking about
Speaker 1: how men are becoming was is men becoming more passive? Yes,
Speaker 1: it appears that in some sense they are. They're becoming
Speaker 1: more passive in that they're bailing out of society. They
Speaker 1: boys don't as well in school pretty much from day one,
Speaker 1: they're less likely doing role. In university, they're more likely
Speaker 1: to draw out, they're less likely to graduate. Um, they're withdrawing.
Speaker 1: And there is evidence that I think is quite compelling.
Speaker 1: Perhaps this is most advanced in Japan and South Korea,
Speaker 1: which are very low birth rates, that men, young men
Speaker 1: are even bailing out of the sexual game, even even
Speaker 1: if it's solitary. There's there's some indication that young men
Speaker 1: aren't even masturbating as much as they used to. Uh,
Speaker 1: wait a second, Wait a second. I thought that it
Speaker 1: was like in this crowd, it was good to not masturbate.
Speaker 1: I thought, like, yeah, it's he's inconsistent about that. Um,
Speaker 1: I think he's he's he'll bring Yeah, I don't actually
Speaker 1: know if, because Jordan Peterson, I don't think, is like
Speaker 1: hard into the no FAP stuff, but he's also pretty
Speaker 1: hard into the in cell stuff, which is related to
Speaker 1: no FAP and like, you know, anti Like I mean,
Speaker 1: he's you don't have to look at pornography to masturbate,
Speaker 1: but I know he's very anti pornography. So like he's
Speaker 1: like men need, men need to jerk at more, Like
Speaker 1: what's going on here? I have to point out, so
Speaker 1: that he brings up a bunch of claims here, um,
Speaker 1: like that men are are going graduating high school and
Speaker 1: college less right. Um. Now, as this isn't he is
Speaker 1: less wrong than he normally is in this statement, but also,
Speaker 1: as with everything he says, he's still wrong. There's an
Speaker 1: Atlantic article that I found in literally like six seconds. Um.
Speaker 1: It notes quote, UM, education experts and historians aren't remotely surprised.
Speaker 1: Women in the United States have earned more bachelor's degrees
Speaker 1: than men every year since the mid nineteen eighties, every year.
Speaker 1: In other words, that I've been alive, and that both
Speaker 1: of us have been alive. This particular gender gap hasn't
Speaker 1: been breaking news for about forty years, but the imbalance
Speaker 1: reveals a genuine shift in how men participate in education,
Speaker 1: the economy, and society. So number one, this has been
Speaker 1: going on for decades. Um. This is not a recent thing.
Speaker 1: This is about half a century. But also currently right now,
Speaker 1: men are going, enrolling in college, and finishing college more
Speaker 1: than they were a decade ago. Um. Yeah, in nineteen seventy,
Speaker 1: minut accounted for fifty seven percent of college and college
Speaker 1: and university student UM. So it's like you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's complicated. Yeah, people there there's like a number of
Speaker 1: theories as to why. But this has been going on
Speaker 1: for a long time. A lot of it has to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that many of the jobs that
Speaker 1: men seek don't require a college degree, like trade jobs.
Speaker 1: Another has to do with the fact that women are
Speaker 1: increasingly seeking education because like it's gotten a lot easier
Speaker 1: for them to do so in the last half a century. Um.
Speaker 1: Some of it has to do with the fact that
Speaker 1: men are much more likely to be incarcerated than women. Um.
Speaker 1: Like it's uh, there's a bunch of theoretical reasons for it, um,
Speaker 1: But it's also not an entirely like linear process, Like,
Speaker 1: it's not just that men have been dipping, and in fact,
Speaker 1: over the last decade there's been some rises in men
Speaker 1: at least attending college. So again, Jordan Peterson takes like
Speaker 1: his take is taking like what is an actual half
Speaker 1: century long tradition, boiling out all of the actual facts
Speaker 1: around it and claiming it's something that's very recently happening, um,
Speaker 1: when it that's not actually the way things are going
Speaker 1: Also um. Peterson specifically has a whole lot of problems
Speaker 1: with just like academia and universities in general, and most
Speaker 1: people at the Daily Wire, like most prominent figures at
Speaker 1: the Daily Wire, Uh, tell you to not go to college? Yes, Um,
Speaker 1: like that is a big movement in that entire crowd. Now,
Speaker 1: it's like, don't go to college and if you do,
Speaker 1: pretend like you're learning something and lies you get the degree.
Speaker 1: But like they support not going So what's going on there? Yeah, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's and it's like, I'm not ever going to tell
Speaker 1: people to go to college because I also think it's
Speaker 1: a gigantic grift. It's just anyway. But Jordan is let's say,
Speaker 1: let's say he is partially right in that there is
Speaker 1: a long term trend of men declining in higher education, um,
Speaker 1: but also largely wrong because he ignores all of the
Speaker 1: different reasons and and the length of time at which
Speaker 1: that's been occurring, right, Um, to make it look like
Speaker 1: it's it's the cast it's being caused supposed to. Well.
Speaker 1: Number one, men have a lot of jobs that don't
Speaker 1: require college degrees. Men are imprisoned at a lot higher rate.
Speaker 1: Women have suddenly gotten a lot more freedom and have
Speaker 1: been going to college in an attempt to like shore
Speaker 1: up and get equal weight, or to get anything that
Speaker 1: even approaches an equal wage, they have to get more
Speaker 1: of an education than men do. Like there's a whole
Speaker 1: bunch of reasons for it. Um and also the fact,
Speaker 1: and I feel like this is left out of that
Speaker 1: Atlantic article that increasingly people are realizing that a lot
Speaker 1: of higher education is a gigantic con um anyway. Uh, Which,
Speaker 1: so like, let's move on from the college stuff, because
Speaker 1: we can also talk about masturbation. So, unlike birthrates, masturbation
Speaker 1: like knowing how often people masturbate is dependent upon self reporting. Right,
Speaker 1: birthrates are objective. You can know are the amount of
Speaker 1: babies you know, are that people are having is raising
Speaker 1: or lowering? Right, That's something that it's very easy to
Speaker 1: get data on because as a general rule, the government
Speaker 1: is informed when a baby's Yeah, he's definitely easier to
Speaker 1: determine than when people are a solo activity in the privacy.
Speaker 1: In order to know the rate at which people are masturbating,
Speaker 1: you would have to build like a perfect digital panopticon
Speaker 1: to keep track of everyone's come a panopt come if
Speaker 1: you will, which I do support creating, but that's a
Speaker 1: separate episode that you and I will do that in
Speaker 1: the future. Um so yeah. I found one survey of
Speaker 1: one thousand and forty Americans on masturbation habits, published by
Speaker 1: Dr Evan Goldstein of Bespoke Surgical. The language he uses
Speaker 1: certainly doesn't make it seem as if his evidence suggests
Speaker 1: that masturbation is less common today. Here's how his little
Speaker 1: article opens. According to Thomas Lacker's two thousand three books
Speaker 1: Solitary Sex, A Cultural History of master Avation, masturbation as
Speaker 1: we know it was invented in seventeen thirteen. By that,
Speaker 1: he meant that while masturbation was may have always existed,
Speaker 1: may probably doesn't work. It was only in the early
Speaker 1: eighteenth century that the phenomenon was named a new disease,
Speaker 1: creating a quote nearly universal engine for generating guilt, shame,
Speaker 1: and anxiety. And I do think that is a worthwhile
Speaker 1: point that like, people have always masturbated, but then the
Speaker 1: modern concept of masturbation was developed as a clinical term
Speaker 1: to shame people from mansturbating. Right now, Bespoke Surgical is
Speaker 1: some sort of like medical clinic run for profit, and
Speaker 1: I questioned their data, as I always do when a
Speaker 1: for profit clinic releases a survey um that said what
Speaker 1: they're claiming their survey shows doesn't seem particularly weird. Quote,
Speaker 1: we wanted to know how often Americans masturbate. Overall, the
Speaker 1: answers about twelve times a month on average. This number
Speaker 1: is consistent when considering just heterosexual people, but was slightly
Speaker 1: higher for homosexual respondents, who reported masturbating fourteen point two
Speaker 1: times per month. And I might suggest that, like, rather
Speaker 1: than they're actually being a gap between straight people and
Speaker 1: queer people in masturbation. Queer people are just like more
Speaker 1: honest about the Yeah, I also suspect everybody might be
Speaker 1: underestimating the amount of Although that's like fourteen times, isn't
Speaker 1: like weird. That's that's a that's a reasonable I would
Speaker 1: say that seems like a pretty reasonable average. Um. Obviously
Speaker 1: people are gonna have more, people are gonna have less.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's that's that doesn't that that data
Speaker 1: does not like set off alarm bells in my head.
Speaker 1: I'm not shocked whether like whether that number is too
Speaker 1: high or too low. So that obviously does not give
Speaker 1: us any longitudinal data, Like it doesn't like Peterson is
Speaker 1: saying that men are masturbating less right as sort of
Speaker 1: evidence that like, men are in decline. Um, and obviously
Speaker 1: that data does not show whether or not that's happening
Speaker 1: at all. I did find a study by Tanga Company,
Speaker 1: which is a sexual health and wellness business that makes
Speaker 1: sex toys. Uh so again, not again, You're never going
Speaker 1: to find a good study on this that's like done
Speaker 1: by a perfect yeah scientific until are startup gets off
Speaker 1: the ground, until until the panopticum is created. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: they did what their press release calls the quote world's
Speaker 1: largest masturbation study involving participants. It did not actually say
Speaker 1: anything at all interesting about masturbation, but it did note this.
Speaker 1: The survey, which asked Americans to evaluate which characteristics they
Speaker 1: believe men in their country value, found approximately ninety percent
Speaker 1: of Americans think men value traditionally manly traits like physical strength,
Speaker 1: aggression and assertiveness, and being the main breadwinner. However, when
Speaker 1: asking men what they actually value, the results found that
Speaker 1: men are more comfortable talking about their feelings and connecting
Speaker 1: with others, and less comfortable being aggressive than Americans realize.
Speaker 1: Eight percent of men claim to be in touch with
Speaker 1: their emotions, but only fifty four percent of Americans think
Speaker 1: this is important to men in their country. Seventies seven
Speaker 1: percent are comfortable talking about their feelings are personal allunges
Speaker 1: with others, but only of Americans surveyed think this is
Speaker 1: true of American men. I find that really interesting actually
Speaker 1: understanding Yeah that, Like when people are asked, hey, how
Speaker 1: do men feel about talking about their feelings, they're like,
Speaker 1: they hate it. And when you ask men, they're like, actually,
Speaker 1: that's very important to me, and I do it all
Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. I mean that's like, you know what,
Speaker 1: not exactly that framing, but like what people say quite
Speaker 1: often is how important it is for me to be
Speaker 1: able to do that and not feel like the other
Speaker 1: those respondents we're like, oh, yeah, they don't like that,
Speaker 1: and like yeah, which feeds into the idea that they
Speaker 1: shouldn't like that, right, um yeah. And I in general
Speaker 1: I found this survey interesting, not so much about masturbation,
Speaker 1: although there's one really interesting part, which is that it
Speaker 1: found that Americans underestimate how often people masturbate consistently by
Speaker 1: nine percent um which underestimate. Yeah, underestimate people. People estimate
Speaker 1: that groups like that that their peers masturbate about nine
Speaker 1: percent less than those that group self reports master of interest, right,
Speaker 1: which I might account for Dr Peterson's belief in this area. UM,
Speaker 1: so let's listen on. Next, he goes into a rant
Speaker 1: about how evil progressives are trying to make boys believe
Speaker 1: they're bad people for being masculine, the purest manifestation of
Speaker 1: the destructive human force that's demolishing our beloved earth. You know,
Speaker 1: if you tell that from the time they're young, especially
Speaker 1: if they're actually ethical people, then well, why wouldn't they
Speaker 1: be demoralized? Obviously the right response to that, if it's true,
Speaker 1: is to be demoralized. But it's a pack of lies
Speaker 1: right from the bottom up to the highest levels of abstraction.
Speaker 1: Talk to a man named Miriam and again number one.
Speaker 1: This is just like a very basic misstating of what
Speaker 1: people who talk about the patriarchy are claiming. When people say,
Speaker 1: like the patriarchy is destroying the world, what they're saying
Speaker 1: is that this like deeply hierarchical system that praises the
Speaker 1: accumulation of wealth and power largely by men in a
Speaker 1: male dominated society, UH is killing the world. Is leading
Speaker 1: to like unhinged resource extraction, um, and like the thoughtless
Speaker 1: exploitation of an environment that cannot handle endless growth. Um.
Speaker 1: And that both kind of the excesses of capitalism and
Speaker 1: the excesses of a society in which like men are
Speaker 1: encouraged to be violent and like aggressive and seek the
Speaker 1: domination of their opponents. Are that like that that that
Speaker 1: is a problem, rather than that men are a problem.
Speaker 1: The issue is not men. The issue is a system
Speaker 1: that has grown up around incentivizing men to act like sociopaths.
Speaker 1: And yeah, um, yeah, he's done this before too, and
Speaker 1: this is one actually one of the topics that made
Speaker 1: him cry semi recently. Um. And it's uh. It's interesting
Speaker 1: partially because a lot of stuff Peterson says can often
Speaker 1: could could be characterized as being like demoralizing two groups
Speaker 1: of people. Um, who cares what you believe? You don't
Speaker 1: believe anything, you're six Yeah yeah, um. Jordan's many of
Speaker 1: most of the things that have happened in the world
Speaker 1: that have like changed the destiny of nations have been
Speaker 1: because a lot of teenagers believed to things very strongly God. Um.
Speaker 1: But also like it's uh, because the framing is trying
Speaker 1: to do is like yeah, there's this and all everything's
Speaker 1: gonna be destroyed, So of course you're do moralized. But
Speaker 1: the party is leaving out is that most people who
Speaker 1: criticize aspects of society or how the earth is going, um,
Speaker 1: acknowledge that we can do something about it, and uh
Speaker 1: should and it would be good if we did something
Speaker 1: about it. But his whole ideology is based off of
Speaker 1: not doing anything about society. So to him it is
Speaker 1: demoralizing more so because he's like, well, and then there's
Speaker 1: nothing to do about it. So what we would you
Speaker 1: turn to despair? Well, no, you don't have to turn
Speaker 1: in despair. You could turn to like changing the way
Speaker 1: things are done. Um, I don't think we're gonna do that, Cody.
Speaker 1: But what I think we are going to do is
Speaker 1: have us a little ad break. Oh ye see if
Speaker 1: see if the evil uncle that is our sponsors will
Speaker 1: slay the dragon of us not owning enough things anyway,
Speaker 1: mark of the old crone, you see, speaking of old
Speaker 1: crones that it would be a good name for like
Speaker 1: a bourbon that I was gonna say, perfect, Cody, you
Speaker 1: come over into my salon where I have a dozen
Speaker 1: shares in several large bookcases, and I said, Mr Johnson,
Speaker 1: good to see would you like perhaps we can share
Speaker 1: a dram of old Chrome andron Crone and talk about
Speaker 1: uh Spinoza. Yeah, And because it sounds a lot awful
Speaker 1: lot like old Crow, I feel like I do, Like
Speaker 1: we're just crow. That's that's what I'm doing. Anyway, here's
Speaker 1: our ads. All right, we're back. So outside of what
Speaker 1: we just talked about, I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that's interesting about that last bit of what Peterson was
Speaker 1: saying is that, like it's bad to make young men
Speaker 1: feel as if the domination of the society by like
Speaker 1: small groups of extremely hierarchical males is bad because that
Speaker 1: makes them demonized for being male. What he's also when
Speaker 1: he says that, what he's saying is that like those
Speaker 1: those traditional, like patriarchal values are necessary for young men,
Speaker 1: and that demonizing that behavior causes a crisis of manhood.
Speaker 1: So while I think most of the people who talk
Speaker 1: about the patriarchy are saying that, like this is bad
Speaker 1: for men and women and we need to like end
Speaker 1: it for the good of everybody, he is saying that, like,
Speaker 1: if you demonize this patriarchal domination of society, you're inherently
Speaker 1: demonizing men because they cannot be separated from it. They
Speaker 1: are incapable of living any other way, which I actually
Speaker 1: find as a man is pretty offensive. Um. But it
Speaker 1: also hearing that makes me think about another thing I
Speaker 1: read in that Sex Toy Company study quote about of
Speaker 1: respondents interested in male partners said their ideal man is
Speaker 1: in touch with his and other emotion others emotions, is
Speaker 1: comfortable discussing mental health nine percent, and talking about sex
Speaker 1: eighty eight percent, caring of social issues eight six percent,
Speaker 1: and comfortable interacting with people of all sexual orientations three percent.
Speaker 1: Compared to this ideal man, the same respondent said their
Speaker 1: current male partners are much less likely to have these
Speaker 1: traits twelve percent less on average. The survey revealed men
Speaker 1: are already moving in this direction, with many benefits to
Speaker 1: being a man who feels more, including a better relationship
Speaker 1: with their partner. The emotional connection with partners is twenty
Speaker 1: better on average, more self and body confidence. Sixty three
Speaker 1: percent of men who feel more have high levels of
Speaker 1: self confidence versus fifty four percent of other men. This
Speaker 1: means they are eight percent more likely to think they
Speaker 1: have a beautiful body overall, higher levels of happiness of
Speaker 1: men who feel more strongly agree with that they are
Speaker 1: happy with their lives versus of other men, a better
Speaker 1: sex life, The quality and frequency of their sex, masturbation,
Speaker 1: and orgasms are twenty percent better on average than other men.
Speaker 1: They're also eighteen percent more sexually satisfied with their partners,
Speaker 1: better overall health. Percent of men who feel more say
Speaker 1: they have good overall health versus eighty one percent of
Speaker 1: other men. They're also eleven percent more likely to belong
Speaker 1: to a gym. So again, comprehensively, being like thoughtful and
Speaker 1: in touch with your emotions, and like open minded to
Speaker 1: people of other genders and orientations, and like caring of
Speaker 1: your partner makes you a comprehensively happier person, more likely
Speaker 1: to have sex, not just more likely to have sex,
Speaker 1: and management more likely to go to the gym, to
Speaker 1: take care of your own being healthy, able to do
Speaker 1: righte like, Like, they didn't say this in the study
Speaker 1: that you just recited, but um, if I were to
Speaker 1: sort of distill it down, being more in touch with
Speaker 1: your feelings and open new emotions, sort of rejecting these
Speaker 1: ideas were talking about will lead you to be more
Speaker 1: likely to clean your room. Yeah, and I think it's
Speaker 1: more than that. I think a big part of it
Speaker 1: is that like embracing the attitudes that Peterson has, which
Speaker 1: is that like, life is this struggle, and you have
Speaker 1: to be the master of everyone and everything around you,
Speaker 1: and that doing anything else is going to make you
Speaker 1: unfulfilled and miserable. Is what makes you und fulfilled and miserable.
Speaker 1: And caring about other people and listening to them and
Speaker 1: being agreeable and and like loving is what makes you
Speaker 1: happy and also makes you more powerful, both in a
Speaker 1: physical sense and in an emotional sense and anyway, I mean,
Speaker 1: and he's it's because he's even said things along those
Speaker 1: lines before too. Um. His whole deal is sort of
Speaker 1: talking out both sides of his mouth in different clips.
Speaker 1: Like you can find him talking about what you just
Speaker 1: said in other clips. Um. And how you know if
Speaker 1: you want to, uh like to talk about depression before
Speaker 1: and how uh a good way to get out of
Speaker 1: that funk is to uh focus on other people and
Speaker 1: helping other people. Um. And but he's not gonna he
Speaker 1: can't like reconcile a lot of these sort of disparate
Speaker 1: thoughts that he has. Nope, so that's pretty cool. Um,
Speaker 1: we're barely two minutes into the episode, and Jordan Peterson's
Speaker 1: entire theory of the world has already been demolished by
Speaker 1: a company that makes vibrators, which I think is pretty funny. Um,
Speaker 1: let's see what we can learn next. Um. He brings
Speaker 1: up his friend Mary and Tupi, author of books with
Speaker 1: and he just says, like, my friend Mary and Tuppy,
Speaker 1: you know and and starts talking about this person's ideas.
Speaker 1: Maryan Tupi is the author of books with titles like
Speaker 1: ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know and Superabundance,
Speaker 1: the Story of population growth, innovation, and human flourishing on
Speaker 1: an infinitely bountiful planet. Um. Kind of in the context
Speaker 1: of this guy, Peterson brings up Paul Erlick, who is
Speaker 1: Airlick is the guy who like made this bet about
Speaker 1: certain He was a he was a malenthusiant, right. He
Speaker 1: was a guy being like, the world overpopulation is coming
Speaker 1: a bunch, there's going to be a resource crunch, and
Speaker 1: he made a bet about a bunch of resources running
Speaker 1: out that was wrong, right, That's the gist of Paul Airlick.
Speaker 1: This happened in like the eighties, and the right wing
Speaker 1: has never shut up about it as a reason to
Speaker 1: doubt that climate change is real and that a bunch
Speaker 1: of other problems are real. Um So, Peterson contrasts Airlck
Speaker 1: and Malthusians like him who are pessimistic with optimists like
Speaker 1: his friend Mary and Tupi, and he he describes to
Speaker 1: be as a perfectly objective thinker and analyst. Yeah, Sophie,
Speaker 1: can you play that clip? Marry and Tupi and his
Speaker 1: co author analyzed historical data looking at the relationship between
Speaker 1: population expansion and abundance, which is a positive relationship in
Speaker 1: that has there have been more people born since there
Speaker 1: have been more smart and competent people born, which is
Speaker 1: necessary consequence of that, we've got richer, not poor. And
Speaker 1: the mal enthusiasts say, yeah, well, you know, the other
Speaker 1: shoe will draw up eventually. It's like, yeah, specify your
Speaker 1: time frame, buddy. You don't get to have an infinite
Speaker 1: expanse to prove your hypothesis correct. Like, okay, hold up there,
Speaker 1: Jordan's since you have asked us to specify a time frame,
Speaker 1: perhaps we should look into how your friend Marian's predictions
Speaker 1: have held up from let's say two thousand fifteen. Marian
Speaker 1: Tupi has been writing stuff for a while. UM, and
Speaker 1: and that is I would say most people would agree
Speaker 1: that from two thousand two, most things have gotten worse
Speaker 1: around the world. Right. Um, food is more expensive, gas
Speaker 1: is more expensive. There's a massive land war in in Ukraine.
Speaker 1: The consequences of climate change have gotten more disastrous. Wildfires
Speaker 1: have gotten worse all around the world. We've had the
Speaker 1: biggest ones in the history of both the American West
Speaker 1: and Australia, just to name a couple of places in
Speaker 1: the very recent past. So I think most people, even
Speaker 1: if you're not scared of like Trump and Bolson Jaro
Speaker 1: and fucking the rise of all of these authoritarians around
Speaker 1: the world, would agree things have oddly gotten worse for
Speaker 1: a lot of people since two thousand fifteen. Um. It
Speaker 1: just so happens that Mary and Tubby is not, as
Speaker 1: Peterson says, an objective analyst of data, but a right
Speaker 1: wing crank. He works he works for the Cato Institute. UM,
Speaker 1: and his big thing is arguing that infinite wealth can
Speaker 1: be extracted from the planet. Uh, and everything will continue
Speaker 1: to get inevitably better if we just keep extracting. He's
Speaker 1: part of a whole team of think tank grifters, and
Speaker 1: in servicing this end, he's been a regular contributor at Quillette,
Speaker 1: a far right website who also publishes defenses of Phrenology
Speaker 1: and National Review. It was at the latter that he
Speaker 1: published a June two thousand fifteen article titled Pope Francis
Speaker 1: is unwarranted Gloom and I'm gonna quote from that now.
Speaker 1: The Pope, as the Independent sums up in the encyclical,
Speaker 1: asserts that the world's poorest are the biggest victims of
Speaker 1: a web of environmental, human, financial, and ethical degradation that
Speaker 1: puts the entire planet at risk risk. He lambassed rich
Speaker 1: countries for looting the world, warns that the world is
Speaker 1: facing widespread crop failure, economic ruin, and averge. That warming
Speaker 1: caused by the enormous consumption of some rich countries has
Speaker 1: of percussions in the poorest places on Earth, especially in Africa,
Speaker 1: where the increase in temperature complying with drought has had
Speaker 1: to rest disastrous effects on the performance of crops. Now,
Speaker 1: everything the Pope says there is absolutely true, um and
Speaker 1: all of those facts have been proven absolutely true over
Speaker 1: the last seven years. Every single thing he said is undeniably, objectively,
Speaker 1: factually true. We are currently dealing with widespread crop failures
Speaker 1: this year and unprecedented surges in food prices. In two
Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Marian Tupi wrote, quote, and this is him
Speaker 1: talking about the pope. His views on anthropogenic global warming
Speaker 1: will be hotly debated, but his gloom is unwarranted. Well,
Speaker 1: good news, Marian, the debate is over. Two thousand eight
Speaker 1: teen brought Africa's hottest measured temperature on record d and
Speaker 1: twenty four point three degrees in Algeria, and in more
Speaker 1: than four hundred weather stations around the world beat their
Speaker 1: all timed heat records. There's a ton that Tupi is
Speaker 1: wrong about here. He makes a big point about how
Speaker 1: poverty has declined, and in two thousand fifteen those numbers worldwide,
Speaker 1: we're looking pretty good. It did look like poverty was
Speaker 1: declining very rapidly around the world, but people who actually
Speaker 1: honestly analyzed the data, including Pope Francis, were able to
Speaker 1: see just a little bit ahead and that a warming
Speaker 1: world with things like widespread crop failures in brutal pandemics
Speaker 1: um was going to like lead to a decline in
Speaker 1: what gains capitalism had brought people over the last twenty
Speaker 1: years or so. Um, after COVID nineteen, the global poverty
Speaker 1: rates surged from seven point eight to nine point one percent,
Speaker 1: wiping out at least four years of progress towards ending
Speaker 1: extreme poverty. So like, again, this guy who Peterson's claims
Speaker 1: to be, all these malenthusians, these people who are talking
Speaker 1: about how the world's heading towards resource crunches are wrong
Speaker 1: because they never specify their time frame. So like what
Speaker 1: they're saying isn't falsifiable, but to be has presented falsifiable
Speaker 1: claims about the state of the world, and they've all
Speaker 1: been falsified. Right, Like his friend has been wrong, And
Speaker 1: because he's been writing for seven years, we can see
Speaker 1: the things he's been wrong about. He's talking about. How
Speaker 1: like Pope Francis, it's debatable as to whether or not
Speaker 1: Francis is right about you know, Africa warming and this
Speaker 1: is having a disastrous impact on the poor. Well we're
Speaker 1: now in two and it's not debatable anymore. Mary Marian
Speaker 1: was fucking wrong. Um anyway, Peterson next pivots back to
Speaker 1: crowing about Paul Airlick and TUPI has extended that work
Speaker 1: to a basket of fifty commodities, and has demonstrated now
Speaker 1: that each child born produces seven times as much wealth
Speaker 1: as they consume. So enough with there are too many
Speaker 1: people on the planet, and you know, human beings are
Speaker 1: a destructive force, and all male will is nothing but
Speaker 1: a cancer on the planet and part of the oppressive patriarchy.
Speaker 1: It's like, that's all. There isn't a shred of evidence
Speaker 1: for any of that except so, yeah, he loves talking
Speaker 1: like that. He does all he is doing here, it's
Speaker 1: worth noting. So Maryan Tupi is a media person. He
Speaker 1: has a bunch of videos, particularly on YouTube. He goes
Speaker 1: on podcasts all the time. And all he's saying is
Speaker 1: like a longer version of what Peterson saying, right, that
Speaker 1: the more people who were born, and the more people
Speaker 1: who like, the more that we extract and and from
Speaker 1: the earth, the wealthier everyone will get that this is
Speaker 1: like a fact of reality that cannot be questioned. Um
Speaker 1: and again it's like you're living through him being wrong.
Speaker 1: We're experiencing it every day of our lives. In two
Speaker 1: I mean, aside from like the general misrepresentation of a
Speaker 1: lot of the points being made by other people. Um,
Speaker 1: it is just interesting seeing him get so angry about
Speaker 1: yeah things that like, well, we like because he filmed
Speaker 1: this in two I assume yes, yes, at which point
Speaker 1: it is very obvious that the stuff that Mary and
Speaker 1: Tupi was writing in two fifteen was completely wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like I don't I'm I'm not personally in the
Speaker 1: camp of like overpopulation is like a problem. The problem
Speaker 1: is not overpopulation, it's over consumption by wealthy an allocation
Speaker 1: of resources and things like that. Um so I'm not
Speaker 1: like I don't have babies, d growth like that kind
Speaker 1: of thing. But like, uh, this other stuff that he's
Speaker 1: saying is also wrong. Yes, it's one of those that
Speaker 1: he's he's making kind of the same arguments that I
Speaker 1: think Matthew Iglesias is the guy who's like, we need
Speaker 1: to have a billion Americans. It's like, no, we don't
Speaker 1: actually like I don't believe overpopulation is the problem, but
Speaker 1: we certainly don't need to expand the population of wealthy
Speaker 1: countries or the population in general. Like there's plenty of people. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's fine. It's fine, even like billions a good number. Yeah,
Speaker 1: even like the the um we don't need to talk
Speaker 1: a whole lot about birthrates and stuff. But every time
Speaker 1: it comes up, I'm always just like, okay, but like,
Speaker 1: is it going to go down to zero and then
Speaker 1: there be no people? Is that what you think is
Speaker 1: gonna happen? Like, No, it's just people are number one.
Speaker 1: There's like less need to have multiple children. And it's
Speaker 1: broadly good when the birth rate does slow down. Um,
Speaker 1: especially since it leads like there's been a bunch of
Speaker 1: benefits to the fact that people no longer are having
Speaker 1: in the West, like twelve child families, including the fact
Speaker 1: that like kids get more attention from their parents and
Speaker 1: are seeing less as like a disposable commodity, which they
Speaker 1: often were early in history. Um, I don't know. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's cool. I think the thing that the thing that
Speaker 1: Tupi is saying that like I find offensive is that
Speaker 1: this is a line of our and there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys whose whole job is making this argument that
Speaker 1: everything is getting better, and that everyone who has complaints
Speaker 1: about the world and who sees things as like on
Speaker 1: a really dark course is just irrational and not looking
Speaker 1: at the actual facts and what these arguments are geared towards.
Speaker 1: Is convincing a centrist middle class that the everything will
Speaker 1: get back to whatever they used to consider normal, The
Speaker 1: world will recover entirely from COVID, climate change will get
Speaker 1: fixed by some one. Yet as of yet, scene scientific
Speaker 1: innovation and neoliberal capitalism will continue to increase the value
Speaker 1: extracted from the earth every year forever. It is the
Speaker 1: do you don't have to worry or change anything? Argument? Right, Yes, yes, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a it's that's I mean, his whole thing is,
Speaker 1: don't do anything, it'll work itself out. And Peterson likes
Speaker 1: this argument, and a lot of the people who to
Speaker 1: push this argument are actually like more on the liberal
Speaker 1: side of things. But Jordan Peterson likes sees this argument
Speaker 1: because he he has this kind of panglossy and belief
Speaker 1: that everything is the best that it could be and
Speaker 1: is getting better. Like sorry, Peterson uses this argument this
Speaker 1: like pananglossy and belief that everything is the best it
Speaker 1: could be in getting better to argue that masculine capitalist
Speaker 1: wealth seeking is altruism, right, That's why he finds this useful.
Speaker 1: And I want to play another clip here too. So
Speaker 1: not only are we not governed by the satanic expression
Speaker 1: of power dooming us to a kind of authoritarian Hell,
Speaker 1: what we're properly governed by is something like the spirit
Speaker 1: of voluntary play. And so that's all good. That's all
Speaker 1: necessary to know for young men, because they're taught so
Speaker 1: often that their ambition is somehow intrinsically corrupt and the
Speaker 1: best thing they could do is just, you know, slough
Speaker 1: off into a corner and maybe die without making too
Speaker 1: much noise. Yeah. I had a friend who committed suicide
Speaker 1: really because he believed that took him like twenty years
Speaker 1: to die. It was pretty painful to watch, but he
Speaker 1: definitely believed all that. Yeah. Yeah, the real joy of
Speaker 1: watching Peterson is that he'll just sort of veer off
Speaker 1: and like safe ship like this, And of course we
Speaker 1: don't know anything, Like he says, this happens over twenty years.
Speaker 1: So was he talking about like a guy with a
Speaker 1: substance to abuse disorder. That's what I'm thinking he's talking about,
Speaker 1: because he's not like, yeah, twenty like it sounds like, yeah,
Speaker 1: twenty years of like depression. Yeah yeah, and he was
Speaker 1: depressed because is there are massive unsolved problems that the
Speaker 1: rich are like burning money in order to make it.
Speaker 1: Basically either illegal or impossible for people to solve. And
Speaker 1: Peterson's job is to reinforce those people and try to
Speaker 1: convince folks for another year or two that they don't
Speaker 1: need to take any action to stop the oil and
Speaker 1: gas companies and other wealthy interests from pilfering the world
Speaker 1: as it falls apart around us, and they retreat to
Speaker 1: their fucking bunkers. Like that's literally his entire job. Everything
Speaker 1: is fine, ignore the warning signs for another year. That's
Speaker 1: why he exists, That's why they fund that's why oil
Speaker 1: and are wound funding this guy. That's why they're throwing
Speaker 1: money at him to do this. Yeah, and he does
Speaker 1: it by like some very unclear anecdote. And it's interesting
Speaker 1: because the people arguing everything is getting better. That's an
Speaker 1: argument that works for like the Obama style neoliberals, because
Speaker 1: it's like, look, this the system, we just need to
Speaker 1: tweak it around the edges. This is fundamentally good and
Speaker 1: what we're doing is good. Um, and Peterson is taking
Speaker 1: and saying like, because everything is getting better, and because
Speaker 1: we live in a society dominated by capitalist, hierarchical men,
Speaker 1: being that kind of person is an out is altruism.
Speaker 1: Like being a billionaire who, for example, buys a company
Speaker 1: fire sev of the people there, loads it with debt,
Speaker 1: and then crashes. It is good because you're you know
Speaker 1: that that kind of behavior makes the world better. Obviously,
Speaker 1: men like that have been in charge since forever, so
Speaker 1: since they've been in charge and the world's gotten better.
Speaker 1: Their altruists, it's the same sort of line of thinking.
Speaker 1: He and like a lot of like like evolutionary biologists.
Speaker 1: It's like the evolutionary psychology uh sort of thing where
Speaker 1: it's like, well, because we're here today and alive, every
Speaker 1: single uh step of evolution was good, like the capital
Speaker 1: g we should preserve it right where it worked. It
Speaker 1: worked then, like millions of years ago. Therefore we need
Speaker 1: to preserve it. And this is again, this is always
Speaker 1: the idea. This is always the actual ideology of the
Speaker 1: people who are in power. This is why Voltaire in
Speaker 1: fucking candem I brought up pangloss like he is mocking
Speaker 1: this idea that like the pain loss is this like
Speaker 1: philosopher guy who's saying, like this is the best of
Speaker 1: all possible worlds and everything that happens, and it is
Speaker 1: like the best that can possibly be, which is if
Speaker 1: you're in charge, always the way in which you want
Speaker 1: people to feel like. That's all Jordan Peterson is is
Speaker 1: fucking pangloss with you on top of the pyramidmid rule. Yeah, anyway,
Speaker 1: we should probably roll to ads. I love it. Oh God,
Speaker 1: what a great time. Um, I for one love that.
Speaker 1: Voltaire in seventeen fifty nine writes Jordan Peterson into a
Speaker 1: novel and he's it's the same guy. It's the same guy. Um,
Speaker 1: that's very funny guy. Same outfit, same outfit. Yeah. So anyway,
Speaker 1: here's Jordan Peterson being wrong again. Awesome companies. It is
Speaker 1: well man who quell themselves to that degree also suffer
Speaker 1: the shadow problem, which is all the lived life ambition,
Speaker 1: aggression within them, sexual desire that just goes underground. And
Speaker 1: then well, that's that's what accounts in part for these
Speaker 1: explosive violent crimes, certainly accounts for a lot of gang crime,
Speaker 1: because gang crime that's been established beyond a shadow of
Speaker 1: a doubt is all status jockey. Now, so for one thing,
Speaker 1: he's saying that, like because men are being told to
Speaker 1: like deny their natural kind of like aggressive status seeking
Speaker 1: Nature's Um, that's what's leading these explosions of violence, which
Speaker 1: is interesting because the United States is, even with the
Speaker 1: recent search we saw after COVID nineteen, less violent than
Speaker 1: it has been at basically any point in the lifetimes
Speaker 1: of anybody alive right now, Like when I was born
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen eighties, the United States was vastly
Speaker 1: more violent than it is today. Um, almost in every
Speaker 1: single part of the country. Uh So why why would
Speaker 1: that be, Jordan's why why would that be if we've
Speaker 1: also gotten more woke over time? UM? I don't know,
Speaker 1: maybe just just whatever. Um. All of these things that
Speaker 1: he takes as evidence of a sick culture, lower birth rates,
Speaker 1: increased understanding and rejection of patriarchy, more open minded and
Speaker 1: emotionally connected men. These things have all occurred as violence
Speaker 1: has declined in the United States. And this is true
Speaker 1: even accounting for the increases and violence that some places
Speaker 1: experienced after COVID nineteen. I'm gonna quote from a New
Speaker 1: York Times article this August crime murder mass shootings have
Speaker 1: dominated headlines this year. Just over the weekend, of shooting
Speaker 1: in Cincinnati wounded nine people and another in Detroit killed
Speaker 1: one and wounded four. But the full crime data tells
Speaker 1: a different story. Nationwide, shootings are down four percent this
Speaker 1: year compared to the same time last year. In big cities,
Speaker 1: murders are down three percent. If the decrease in murders
Speaker 1: continues for the rest of twenty two, this will be
Speaker 1: the first year since two thousand eighteen in which they
Speaker 1: fell in the United States. Huh Again, this is also
Speaker 1: like there's a lot to blame the media on because
Speaker 1: if you graph how common shootings are in this country
Speaker 1: versus how commonly they're covered in the United States, coverage
Speaker 1: of shootings has soared massively. Well, shootings have more or
Speaker 1: less staid stable in most of the country and slightly
Speaker 1: declined in a lot of places. Um. And this is
Speaker 1: because like if it bleeds, it leads, right, This has
Speaker 1: led people to believe errantly that the United States is
Speaker 1: much more violent than it actually is right now. Where again,
Speaker 1: this is like a massive continuing problem, right that as
Speaker 1: over the last thirty years violence has declined, people have
Speaker 1: believed that cities have gotten more like there's like you
Speaker 1: talked to a conservative and fucking Ohio about New York
Speaker 1: City and they'll be like, well, yeah, it's really dangerous,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's this crime Drinche tellhole, no, New York
Speaker 1: City is safer, safer than virtually a hundred percent of
Speaker 1: rural America. Um. Um, Yeah, sounds like Peterson is a
Speaker 1: victim of the woke media. Yes, it does sound like
Speaker 1: he's a victim of the woke media. Um. In the
Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, the US averaged around ten murders per
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. In the Obama years, that dropped to
Speaker 1: a little more than four. And even though things have
Speaker 1: ticked up after COVID, they still topped out at around
Speaker 1: seven per hundred thousand, and that is now declining again. Um,
Speaker 1: that's a significant drop. Yeah. Again, we were just like
Speaker 1: we were just talking about like pangloss and stuff, but
Speaker 1: like the change in the commonness of violence and murder
Speaker 1: in the United States since the early nineties is stunning,
Speaker 1: Like it is a massive decline. Yeah. It's interesting that
Speaker 1: like the one thing, like he could be he could
Speaker 1: be right about that one thing, but he chooses to
Speaker 1: be wrong about that one thing and everything else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Because if if it's true that violent, that we're much
Speaker 1: less violent than we used to be, even given like
Speaker 1: how much attention shootings get in the media today, then
Speaker 1: The argument is that maybe like, oh, perhaps like all
Speaker 1: of these things that have changed about like encouraging men
Speaker 1: to talk about their feelings and accept other people and
Speaker 1: accept different sexual orientations and a wider understanding of gender,
Speaker 1: maybe all of that actually like helped. I mean, maybe
Speaker 1: it's just getting the lead out of gasoline, but maybe
Speaker 1: that other stuff like she didn't hurt, yeah, did not
Speaker 1: hurt um. But he would uh probably reject that too
Speaker 1: because he doesn't want to change anything about like environmental
Speaker 1: Uh well, after that did affect you, His environment means everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's a he's such a little weener. Yeah. So from here,
Speaker 1: Peterson claims that women are inherently interested in men based
Speaker 1: on the amount of resources that they have or are
Speaker 1: likely to generate. Mm hm. You know, women often get
Speaker 1: a bad rap, especially from people in the manisphere, so
Speaker 1: called for being hypergamous, which means mating across socio economic hierarchies,
Speaker 1: because women have a preference for men young women we're
Speaker 1: about four years older than them, who are as well
Speaker 1: off or better off than they are. And it's a
Speaker 1: female calibration mechanism, uh for to to remediate the inequality
Speaker 1: placed on women in relationship to pregnancy and infant care.
Speaker 1: So woman takes a vicious hit in terms of productivity
Speaker 1: when she becomes pregnant and has a doing immediately updating
Speaker 1: my dating profile. I'm sorry, are you exactly four years
Speaker 1: older than me? Um? I do wonder if women men
Speaker 1: four years older than them has anything to do with that. Like,
Speaker 1: the older you get, the less likely you are to
Speaker 1: take Jordan Peterson seriously, more likely you are to be
Speaker 1: more in touch with your feelings. Maybe you've like matured
Speaker 1: a little bit and are better partner. H Uh. I
Speaker 1: don't know, Like that's that's like, what's his point? I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't It's it's such a transactional way
Speaker 1: of looking at relationships. Women prefer older men because they
Speaker 1: earn more and have more money, and women know that
Speaker 1: they're going to take a financial hit by having a
Speaker 1: child because it reduces their productivity. And that's a no.
Speaker 1: People don't think like that. Jordan's like nobody. People do
Speaker 1: not go out into the world and decide to have
Speaker 1: like a child and gold. I need to get a
Speaker 1: man who has an additional four years of earning so
Speaker 1: that his savings and like make up for the loss
Speaker 1: in productivity that I'm going to suffer for having this child.
Speaker 1: And I mean some people, I'm sure there's it's not
Speaker 1: a zero number, but like I know a lot of
Speaker 1: people who have had kids, and none of them thought
Speaker 1: that much about it. Mostly they just get pregnant and decide,
Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have a kid because it feels
Speaker 1: like a good time to do it. Figure it out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not us ladies four years older than us. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: where are you? Okay, I must dot the t at Okay, great,
Speaker 1: will not will not go on a date unless you've
Speaker 1: met all these qualifications because I might need to take
Speaker 1: your money so I may have a child. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: makes perfect sense, girls stuff. Yeah, that's totally how I
Speaker 1: think about things. God. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's a really toxic You get this because he's kind
Speaker 1: of laying it out as if like this is just
Speaker 1: like completely re sasonable and uncontroversial. But the actual like
Speaker 1: argument he's making is that women are incapable of love,
Speaker 1: which that is like the insulting of like, well, women
Speaker 1: women are hypergamus because it's a resource thing, and that's
Speaker 1: the thing that they're thinking about is like maximizing their
Speaker 1: resources and right and as opposed to like the actual
Speaker 1: like yeah, that like the connection that one hopes to
Speaker 1: have with another person. The reason why most people have
Speaker 1: kids is that they really want to fuck another person
Speaker 1: and then they get pregnant and decide, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: having a kid now. Look, that's not going to describe
Speaker 1: a hundred percent of cases, but most of the people
Speaker 1: I know were like, well, yeah, I was with this
Speaker 1: guy or this lady and we had sex and then
Speaker 1: you know, there was a pregnancy, and we decided I
Speaker 1: guess now is the time. Yeah, And he's I think
Speaker 1: historically that's most pregnancy sort of apply like a person's value.
Speaker 1: And this is like it's so weirdly harmful because he's
Speaker 1: sort of excusing this behavior and saying like this is
Speaker 1: how it is and this is how it should be.
Speaker 1: Therefore you need to do this and this and this
Speaker 1: to get this high on his little hierarchy. Uh, and
Speaker 1: like it just puts so much value on uh, like
Speaker 1: like just money, Like that's the value that he's trying
Speaker 1: to focus on, as opposed to all the other values
Speaker 1: that people look for when looking for a partner. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Weird unpleasant way to look at things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I find it unpleasant, but you know what I do
Speaker 1: find pleasant, Cody. The next thing you're gonna say, I
Speaker 1: find your plug doubles deeply pleasant. I love it when
Speaker 1: you plug things. Can I can? I say nothing gets
Speaker 1: me harder? You can say it? Thank you again? Say
Speaker 1: they did I have of I will continue to Yeah
Speaker 1: you will. I'm gonna plug so hard? Um whatever anything
Speaker 1: any hole? All right? Enough of that. Hi, I'm Cody,
Speaker 1: and I have things on the internet. You can google me.
Speaker 1: Cody Johnston is the name um gotta show on YouTube
Speaker 1: called some More News and a podcast called even More
Speaker 1: News and patreon dot com slash some More News is
Speaker 1: where you can support us for those things. And furthermore,
Speaker 1: that's it. Wow, brave, courage the Hot Shapes. You have
Speaker 1: a band. Yeah, we don't have technically have songs available yet,
Speaker 1: but we will probably by the time this air is
Speaker 1: Actually it's called the Hot Shapes. Now, Cody, tell me this.
Speaker 1: When you say a band, what kind of music do
Speaker 1: you play? Is it ska? It's not ska unfortunately, and
Speaker 1: yet you think it's music interesting? Interesting, interesting subject of
Speaker 1: subjectively music? I don't know that. I agree with the
Speaker 1: first non ska band. Someone finally did it. They created
Speaker 1: music that wasn't ska. We did it. Somebody did it.
Speaker 1: Somebody ring, ring the bell and tell the Mighty Mighty
Speaker 1: boss Tones that they're great. Burden has been lifted. You
Speaker 1: are free. You're free. Go make another album about George Floyd.
Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh did you not hear that? Oh oh, Cody,
Speaker 1: it was one of the worst things anyone's ever done. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you need to listen to that. In the break between
Speaker 1: when we record episodes and when we come back to
Speaker 1: part two, we will start by you talking about your
Speaker 1: reaction to that Mighty Mighty Bosstones song. Oh yeah, oh Cody,
Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Anyway, that's been part one. We'll see you
Speaker 1: again on Thursday. Go with Christ Behind the Bastards is
Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool
Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com,
Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart Radio app,
Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.