1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Cody, I I agree entirely. It's it's 2 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: like the the world we live in, we've come to 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,719 Speaker 1: realize is careening towards disaster, and we have very little 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: say in actually arresting that disaster. And the elites that 5 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,400 Speaker 1: have have brought us here have entrenched their power so 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,440 Speaker 1: deeply that people can't even conceive of a world without 7 00:00:21,480 --> 00:00:23,920 Speaker 1: a boot on their neck, and so we all just 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: kind of grasp for the artifacts of our childhood for 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:32,840 Speaker 1: those last moments before we realized how deep the problems were, 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: and that's got us all stuck in this kind of 11 00:00:36,000 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: endless cycle of worshiping the dead remnants of our of 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: our youth. Anyway, how are you doing today? Oh? Asorry 13 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: from that all that stuff? They couldn't be well, I 14 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:49,319 Speaker 1: could be better, but you know I'm doing all right. 15 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 1: Have you enjoyed and or I've enjoyed the few that 16 00:00:53,080 --> 00:00:55,440 Speaker 1: I've been able to sit down and watch. It's good. 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: It's good, Um, I A plus well, so far A 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 1: A so far A plus. I I think I've watched 19 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: through all of it and it's quite good. Um. Everything 20 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: about it is correct in terms of what should be 21 00:01:09,440 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 1: done with. Yes, France it's this. It's this thing I've 22 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: been saying, where like the reason the first Star Wars 23 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: movies were great is that George Lucas everyone around him, 24 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: including his his ex wife who was the editor on 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,720 Speaker 1: those three movies and one of Oscars and stuff great 26 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:30,840 Speaker 1: film editor were like, George has consistently of a great 27 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: idea and if you can cut the other eight percent 28 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: out of it and replace it with like something vaguely reasonable, 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 1: uh and not not unhinged, then you get pretty darn 30 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,160 Speaker 1: good movies. And then for the prequels, he just got 31 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 1: let off the leash and there was a lot of nonsense, 32 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:49,840 Speaker 1: and and Or seems to have taken that like core 33 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: of stuff that was cool about the prequels and anyway, 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,000 Speaker 1: this is behind the ball streets. Also just like uh, 35 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: cohesive UM vision yeah, which I think obviously the sequels 36 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: didn't have one. Not good in my opinion. Yeah. No. 37 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: One of the only um I think positives of the 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: prequels is that at least the vision was cohesive, like 39 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: they all like look the same, they're trying to like, yeah, exactly. Um. 40 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 1: So that's I think a positive for and Or. But 41 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: also just like it's um, it's just written well, it's 42 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: written extremely writers are doing a good job writing like 43 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: scenes and lines and their scenes in it, at least 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 1: in the first few that I've watched or have been, 45 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:35,239 Speaker 1: Like that didn't have to be in the Star Wars universe, 46 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: Like that was just a scene. That was a good 47 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: scene between two people who happened to like have like, 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 1: you know, laser guns on their hips. You know they've done. 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 1: Really appreciate good job of Like, there's a lot of 50 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: evil in the show, but a majority of the actors 51 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: are self interested but not actively malicious, even when they're 52 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: contributing to terribly malicious systems, which is a shows a 53 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 1: nuanced under standing of how evil actually occurs most often 54 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: in the real world that I appreciate. Yeah. Yeah, there's 55 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: a lot of just consideration and thought that seems to 56 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,160 Speaker 1: have gotten to it. Yeah, not not a whole lot 57 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: of the Boba Fetts of the world. I think I 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: have Boba's feet. Yeah, the Bubba the Bubba Feats didn't 59 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: quite nail it well. I haven't seen a second of 60 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,639 Speaker 1: that show. I actually think they're all They're all perfectly fun. Um, 61 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: as long as it's got fucking Pedro Pascal and I'll 62 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: keep watching. Oh yeah for sure. By the way, Pedro, 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:35,119 Speaker 1: this is behind the Bastards about bad people. We are 64 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: taking another easy week by going through episode two, season 65 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 1: one Dragons, Monsters, and Men, the Jordan's Peterson series, in 66 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: which he sits in a comfortable chair and just kind 67 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: of talks um like, I don't look when people say 68 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 1: he seems like he's off his meds. That that often 69 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: can be an offensive statement, but he does seem like 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: he's off his meds or like on the wrong meds, 71 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 1: or on the wrong meds, or or hasn't been medicated 72 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:12,960 Speaker 1: for the right thing. Um. Either way, whatever is going 73 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: on with Jordan Peterson's drug use, it's not right, Yeah, 74 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:22,160 Speaker 1: fix your drug use. Jordan's so episode two after our 75 00:04:22,200 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: Game of Thrones esque opening for oh yeah no, So 76 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:28,200 Speaker 1: if he want, don't you play us a clipping as 77 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: bad boy, let's go. Let's let's just remind everybody, Oh 78 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: my god, like I blocked this outs. This is what 79 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:42,359 Speaker 1: they spent almost as much money on as fucking Jordan 80 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: Peterson himself urn us out. It's like a fucking video 81 00:04:56,400 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: game loading and it's so good. A after this, I 82 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 1: should be clicking continue and then like hitting a windigo 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,359 Speaker 1: with an axe. But yeah. Episode two opens with the 84 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: title card arm Yourself on a red background, and then 85 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: we're back to Jordan's with his like hands together looking 86 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: at his fingers just kind of like awkwardly. And it's 87 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:24,360 Speaker 1: such a funny transition, like just sudden. It's like I 88 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: can't even say they didn't do it on purpose, know 89 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 1: how funny it was. But also they didn't because there 90 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:31,920 Speaker 1: have to be a few people at the Daily Wire 91 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: who like, know it's bullshit and know how stupid and 92 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 1: silly all this is, but are just like I gotta 93 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 1: get you know, paycheck, and I just I don't care, 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: but maybe tweaking a little make it funny. This is 95 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: a furniture behind him. There is a chair behind him. 96 00:05:49,839 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 1: Again this I would love to have a library. I 97 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: think that it's very nice looking. There's more chairs back here. 98 00:05:58,279 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: I think I count one to three or five, six seven. 99 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,279 Speaker 1: It looks like an ideal salon, like intellectual workplace where 100 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: it's like kind of there's a little bit almost of 101 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: like an industrial vibe. You can see like bricks in 102 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 1: the background, like maybe it was like a storage or 103 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: like a hanger or a big garage, but they've they 104 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 1: put in a bunch of nice bookshelves and nice furnitures 105 00:06:20,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: and wood paneling. There's like maybe a little bar table 106 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:25,359 Speaker 1: in the back left corner where Jordan Peterson can have 107 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: a single sip of cider and then sleep. Yeah, but 108 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 1: there's legitimately like at least ten shares visible in this. Yeah, 109 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson has a lot of people over to discuss 110 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:43,599 Speaker 1: his ideas, like that your evil uncle is never to 111 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 1: be argued with, even when he's the Catholic church and 112 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: molesting children anyway, whatever it's like in honor of like 113 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 1: you know, the fallen philosophers of And then the chair 114 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: behind him, Emmanuel Kant over there in the corner with 115 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: that like one wiry, uncomfortable looking one fucking yeah, empty 116 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:09,479 Speaker 1: chairs at empty tables. Heidigger probably in that like back 117 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: corner next to all the cleaning bottles, it looks like anyway. 118 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: So once the episode opens, Peterson immediately starts talking about 119 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: how men are becoming was is men becoming more passive? Yes, 120 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,239 Speaker 1: it appears that in some sense they are. They're becoming 121 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: more passive in that they're bailing out of society. They 122 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: boys don't as well in school pretty much from day one, 123 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: they're less likely doing role. In university, they're more likely 124 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: to draw out, they're less likely to graduate. Um, they're withdrawing. 125 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: And there is evidence that I think is quite compelling. 126 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: Perhaps this is most advanced in Japan and South Korea, 127 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: which are very low birth rates, that men, young men 128 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: are even bailing out of the sexual game, even even 129 00:07:59,680 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 1: if it's solitary. There's there's some indication that young men 130 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: aren't even masturbating as much as they used to. Uh, 131 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 1: wait a second, Wait a second. I thought that it 132 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,880 Speaker 1: was like in this crowd, it was good to not masturbate. 133 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: I thought, like, yeah, it's he's inconsistent about that. Um, 134 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: I think he's he's he'll bring Yeah, I don't actually 135 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: know if, because Jordan Peterson, I don't think, is like 136 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: hard into the no FAP stuff, but he's also pretty 137 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: hard into the in cell stuff, which is related to 138 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 1: no FAP and like, you know, anti Like I mean, 139 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:46,560 Speaker 1: he's you don't have to look at pornography to masturbate, 140 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: but I know he's very anti pornography. So like he's 141 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 1: like men need, men need to jerk at more, Like 142 00:08:52,600 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: what's going on here? I have to point out, so 143 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: that he brings up a bunch of claims here, um, 144 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:00,640 Speaker 1: like that men are are going graduating high school and 145 00:09:00,679 --> 00:09:05,360 Speaker 1: college less right. Um. Now, as this isn't he is 146 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 1: less wrong than he normally is in this statement, but also, 147 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: as with everything he says, he's still wrong. There's an 148 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:16,760 Speaker 1: Atlantic article that I found in literally like six seconds. Um. 149 00:09:16,800 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: It notes quote, UM, education experts and historians aren't remotely surprised. 150 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,400 Speaker 1: Women in the United States have earned more bachelor's degrees 151 00:09:24,440 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: than men every year since the mid nineteen eighties, every year. 152 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:28,840 Speaker 1: In other words, that I've been alive, and that both 153 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: of us have been alive. This particular gender gap hasn't 154 00:09:31,880 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: been breaking news for about forty years, but the imbalance 155 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: reveals a genuine shift in how men participate in education, 156 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 1: the economy, and society. So number one, this has been 157 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 1: going on for decades. Um. This is not a recent thing. 158 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: This is about half a century. But also currently right now, 159 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 1: men are going, enrolling in college, and finishing college more 160 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: than they were a decade ago. Um. Yeah, in nineteen seventy, 161 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: minut accounted for fifty seven percent of college and college 162 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: and university student UM. So it's like you know, it's 163 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,840 Speaker 1: it's complicated. Yeah, people there there's like a number of 164 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: theories as to why. But this has been going on 165 00:10:11,120 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: for a long time. A lot of it has to 166 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: do with the fact that many of the jobs that 167 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: men seek don't require a college degree, like trade jobs. 168 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 1: Another has to do with the fact that women are 169 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: increasingly seeking education because like it's gotten a lot easier 170 00:10:24,960 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: for them to do so in the last half a century. Um. 171 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: Some of it has to do with the fact that 172 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: men are much more likely to be incarcerated than women. Um. 173 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 1: Like it's uh, there's a bunch of theoretical reasons for it, um, 174 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: But it's also not an entirely like linear process, Like, 175 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: it's not just that men have been dipping, and in fact, 176 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: over the last decade there's been some rises in men 177 00:10:49,160 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: at least attending college. So again, Jordan Peterson takes like 178 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: his take is taking like what is an actual half 179 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: century long tradition, boiling out all of the actual facts 180 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,440 Speaker 1: around it and claiming it's something that's very recently happening, um, 181 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 1: when it that's not actually the way things are going 182 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: Also um. Peterson specifically has a whole lot of problems 183 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: with just like academia and universities in general, and most 184 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: people at the Daily Wire, like most prominent figures at 185 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: the Daily Wire, Uh, tell you to not go to college? Yes, Um, 186 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 1: like that is a big movement in that entire crowd. Now, 187 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: it's like, don't go to college and if you do, 188 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: pretend like you're learning something and lies you get the degree. 189 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: But like they support not going So what's going on there? Yeah, um, yeah, 190 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: it's and it's like, I'm not ever going to tell 191 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:46,559 Speaker 1: people to go to college because I also think it's 192 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: a gigantic grift. It's just anyway. But Jordan is let's say, 193 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: let's say he is partially right in that there is 194 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: a long term trend of men declining in higher education, um, 195 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: but also largely wrong because he ignores all of the 196 00:12:02,360 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: different reasons and and the length of time at which 197 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: that's been occurring, right, Um, to make it look like 198 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,839 Speaker 1: it's it's the cast it's being caused supposed to. Well. 199 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,080 Speaker 1: Number one, men have a lot of jobs that don't 200 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: require college degrees. Men are imprisoned at a lot higher rate. 201 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: Women have suddenly gotten a lot more freedom and have 202 00:12:22,040 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: been going to college in an attempt to like shore 203 00:12:24,400 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: up and get equal weight, or to get anything that 204 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: even approaches an equal wage, they have to get more 205 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: of an education than men do. Like there's a whole 206 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: bunch of reasons for it. Um and also the fact, 207 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,719 Speaker 1: and I feel like this is left out of that 208 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: Atlantic article that increasingly people are realizing that a lot 209 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: of higher education is a gigantic con um anyway. Uh, Which, 210 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: so like, let's move on from the college stuff, because 211 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 1: we can also talk about masturbation. So, unlike birthrates, masturbation 212 00:12:56,800 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 1: like knowing how often people masturbate is dependent upon self reporting. Right, 213 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 1: birthrates are objective. You can know are the amount of 214 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: babies you know, are that people are having is raising 215 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: or lowering? Right, That's something that it's very easy to 216 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: get data on because as a general rule, the government 217 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 1: is informed when a baby's Yeah, he's definitely easier to 218 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:22,319 Speaker 1: determine than when people are a solo activity in the privacy. 219 00:13:22,520 --> 00:13:25,479 Speaker 1: In order to know the rate at which people are masturbating, 220 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 1: you would have to build like a perfect digital panopticon 221 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 1: to keep track of everyone's come a panopt come if 222 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: you will, which I do support creating, but that's a 223 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,360 Speaker 1: separate episode that you and I will do that in 224 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: the future. Um so yeah. I found one survey of 225 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: one thousand and forty Americans on masturbation habits, published by 226 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: Dr Evan Goldstein of Bespoke Surgical. The language he uses 227 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,720 Speaker 1: certainly doesn't make it seem as if his evidence suggests 228 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: that masturbation is less common today. Here's how his little 229 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: article opens. According to Thomas Lacker's two thousand three books 230 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: Solitary Sex, A Cultural History of master Avation, masturbation as 231 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: we know it was invented in seventeen thirteen. By that, 232 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: he meant that while masturbation was may have always existed, 233 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: may probably doesn't work. It was only in the early 234 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 1: eighteenth century that the phenomenon was named a new disease, 235 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: creating a quote nearly universal engine for generating guilt, shame, 236 00:14:20,360 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: and anxiety. And I do think that is a worthwhile 237 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: point that like, people have always masturbated, but then the 238 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,520 Speaker 1: modern concept of masturbation was developed as a clinical term 239 00:14:29,560 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: to shame people from mansturbating. Right now, Bespoke Surgical is 240 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: some sort of like medical clinic run for profit, and 241 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: I questioned their data, as I always do when a 242 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 1: for profit clinic releases a survey um that said what 243 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 1: they're claiming their survey shows doesn't seem particularly weird. Quote, 244 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: we wanted to know how often Americans masturbate. Overall, the 245 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 1: answers about twelve times a month on average. This number 246 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: is consistent when considering just heterosexual people, but was slightly 247 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:01,400 Speaker 1: higher for homosexual respondents, who reported masturbating fourteen point two 248 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: times per month. And I might suggest that, like, rather 249 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: than they're actually being a gap between straight people and 250 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: queer people in masturbation. Queer people are just like more 251 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: honest about the Yeah, I also suspect everybody might be 252 00:15:15,480 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: underestimating the amount of Although that's like fourteen times, isn't 253 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: like weird. That's that's a that's a reasonable I would 254 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:26,520 Speaker 1: say that seems like a pretty reasonable average. Um. Obviously 255 00:15:26,800 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 1: people are gonna have more, people are gonna have less. 256 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's that's that's that doesn't that that data 257 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: does not like set off alarm bells in my head. 258 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: I'm not shocked whether like whether that number is too 259 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: high or too low. So that obviously does not give 260 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 1: us any longitudinal data, Like it doesn't like Peterson is 261 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: saying that men are masturbating less right as sort of 262 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: evidence that like, men are in decline. Um, and obviously 263 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: that data does not show whether or not that's happening 264 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 1: at all. I did find a study by Tanga Company, 265 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,240 Speaker 1: which is a sexual health and wellness business that makes 266 00:16:00,280 --> 00:16:03,360 Speaker 1: sex toys. Uh so again, not again, You're never going 267 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: to find a good study on this that's like done 268 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: by a perfect yeah scientific until are startup gets off 269 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: the ground, until until the panopticum is created. Yes, uh, 270 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: they did what their press release calls the quote world's 271 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 1: largest masturbation study involving participants. It did not actually say 272 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: anything at all interesting about masturbation, but it did note this. 273 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: The survey, which asked Americans to evaluate which characteristics they 274 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: believe men in their country value, found approximately ninety percent 275 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: of Americans think men value traditionally manly traits like physical strength, 276 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:40,400 Speaker 1: aggression and assertiveness, and being the main breadwinner. However, when 277 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 1: asking men what they actually value, the results found that 278 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,120 Speaker 1: men are more comfortable talking about their feelings and connecting 279 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,360 Speaker 1: with others, and less comfortable being aggressive than Americans realize. 280 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 1: Eight percent of men claim to be in touch with 281 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: their emotions, but only fifty four percent of Americans think 282 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: this is important to men in their country. Seventies seven 283 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: percent are comfortable talking about their feelings are personal allunges 284 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: with others, but only of Americans surveyed think this is 285 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,640 Speaker 1: true of American men. I find that really interesting actually 286 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: understanding Yeah that, Like when people are asked, hey, how 287 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: do men feel about talking about their feelings, they're like, 288 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,040 Speaker 1: they hate it. And when you ask men, they're like, actually, 289 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:18,200 Speaker 1: that's very important to me, and I do it all 290 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: the time. Yeah. I mean that's like, you know what, 291 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 1: not exactly that framing, but like what people say quite 292 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: often is how important it is for me to be 293 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: able to do that and not feel like the other 294 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: those respondents we're like, oh, yeah, they don't like that, 295 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: and like yeah, which feeds into the idea that they 296 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,439 Speaker 1: shouldn't like that, right, um yeah. And I in general 297 00:17:37,480 --> 00:17:40,400 Speaker 1: I found this survey interesting, not so much about masturbation, 298 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: although there's one really interesting part, which is that it 299 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: found that Americans underestimate how often people masturbate consistently by 300 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:53,640 Speaker 1: nine percent um which underestimate. Yeah, underestimate people. People estimate 301 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,959 Speaker 1: that groups like that that their peers masturbate about nine 302 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: percent less than those that group self reports master of interest, right, 303 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,840 Speaker 1: which I might account for Dr Peterson's belief in this area. UM, 304 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: so let's listen on. Next, he goes into a rant 305 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,719 Speaker 1: about how evil progressives are trying to make boys believe 306 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 1: they're bad people for being masculine, the purest manifestation of 307 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: the destructive human force that's demolishing our beloved earth. You know, 308 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: if you tell that from the time they're young, especially 309 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 1: if they're actually ethical people, then well, why wouldn't they 310 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 1: be demoralized? Obviously the right response to that, if it's true, 311 00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: is to be demoralized. But it's a pack of lies 312 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: right from the bottom up to the highest levels of abstraction. 313 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: Talk to a man named Miriam and again number one. 314 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:48,479 Speaker 1: This is just like a very basic misstating of what 315 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 1: people who talk about the patriarchy are claiming. When people say, 316 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: like the patriarchy is destroying the world, what they're saying 317 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: is that this like deeply hierarchical system that praises the 318 00:18:56,880 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: accumulation of wealth and power largely by men in a 319 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: male dominated society, UH is killing the world. Is leading 320 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: to like unhinged resource extraction, um, and like the thoughtless 321 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: exploitation of an environment that cannot handle endless growth. Um. 322 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: And that both kind of the excesses of capitalism and 323 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: the excesses of a society in which like men are 324 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: encouraged to be violent and like aggressive and seek the 325 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,840 Speaker 1: domination of their opponents. Are that like that that that 326 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: is a problem, rather than that men are a problem. 327 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: The issue is not men. The issue is a system 328 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,800 Speaker 1: that has grown up around incentivizing men to act like sociopaths. 329 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: And yeah, um, yeah, he's done this before too, and 330 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: this is one actually one of the topics that made 331 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:52,640 Speaker 1: him cry semi recently. Um. And it's uh. It's interesting 332 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: partially because a lot of stuff Peterson says can often 333 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 1: could could be characterized as being like demoralizing two groups 334 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,160 Speaker 1: of people. Um, who cares what you believe? You don't 335 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: believe anything, you're six Yeah yeah, um. Jordan's many of 336 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: most of the things that have happened in the world 337 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 1: that have like changed the destiny of nations have been 338 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:16,880 Speaker 1: because a lot of teenagers believed to things very strongly God. Um. 339 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 1: But also like it's uh, because the framing is trying 340 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 1: to do is like yeah, there's this and all everything's 341 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: gonna be destroyed, So of course you're do moralized. But 342 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: the party is leaving out is that most people who 343 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: criticize aspects of society or how the earth is going, um, 344 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: acknowledge that we can do something about it, and uh 345 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: should and it would be good if we did something 346 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: about it. But his whole ideology is based off of 347 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 1: not doing anything about society. So to him it is 348 00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 1: demoralizing more so because he's like, well, and then there's 349 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:58,240 Speaker 1: nothing to do about it. So what we would you 350 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: turn to despair? Well, no, you don't have to turn 351 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: in despair. You could turn to like changing the way 352 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: things are done. Um, I don't think we're gonna do that, Cody. 353 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 1: But what I think we are going to do is 354 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: have us a little ad break. Oh ye see if 355 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: see if the evil uncle that is our sponsors will 356 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,320 Speaker 1: slay the dragon of us not owning enough things anyway, 357 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:27,880 Speaker 1: mark of the old crone, you see, speaking of old 358 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,439 Speaker 1: crones that it would be a good name for like 359 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: a bourbon that I was gonna say, perfect, Cody, you 360 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: come over into my salon where I have a dozen 361 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: shares in several large bookcases, and I said, Mr Johnson, 362 00:21:39,720 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: good to see would you like perhaps we can share 363 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,439 Speaker 1: a dram of old Chrome andron Crone and talk about 364 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: uh Spinoza. Yeah, And because it sounds a lot awful 365 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: lot like old Crow, I feel like I do, Like 366 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: we're just crow. That's that's what I'm doing. Anyway, here's 367 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: our ads. All right, we're back. So outside of what 368 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: we just talked about, I think one of the things 369 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: that's interesting about that last bit of what Peterson was 370 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 1: saying is that, like it's bad to make young men 371 00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: feel as if the domination of the society by like 372 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,919 Speaker 1: small groups of extremely hierarchical males is bad because that 373 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: makes them demonized for being male. What he's also when 374 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,879 Speaker 1: he says that, what he's saying is that like those 375 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,960 Speaker 1: those traditional, like patriarchal values are necessary for young men, 376 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: and that demonizing that behavior causes a crisis of manhood. 377 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: So while I think most of the people who talk 378 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: about the patriarchy are saying that, like this is bad 379 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: for men and women and we need to like end 380 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: it for the good of everybody, he is saying that, like, 381 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: if you demonize this patriarchal domination of society, you're inherently 382 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: demonizing men because they cannot be separated from it. They 383 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: are incapable of living any other way, which I actually 384 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,879 Speaker 1: find as a man is pretty offensive. Um. But it 385 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 1: also hearing that makes me think about another thing I 386 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:13,080 Speaker 1: read in that Sex Toy Company study quote about of 387 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: respondents interested in male partners said their ideal man is 388 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 1: in touch with his and other emotion others emotions, is 389 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 1: comfortable discussing mental health nine percent, and talking about sex 390 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,200 Speaker 1: eighty eight percent, caring of social issues eight six percent, 391 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: and comfortable interacting with people of all sexual orientations three percent. 392 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: Compared to this ideal man, the same respondent said their 393 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 1: current male partners are much less likely to have these 394 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 1: traits twelve percent less on average. The survey revealed men 395 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,919 Speaker 1: are already moving in this direction, with many benefits to 396 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: being a man who feels more, including a better relationship 397 00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: with their partner. The emotional connection with partners is twenty 398 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: better on average, more self and body confidence. Sixty three 399 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: percent of men who feel more have high levels of 400 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: self confidence versus fifty four percent of other men. This 401 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: means they are eight percent more likely to think they 402 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: have a beautiful body overall, higher levels of happiness of 403 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 1: men who feel more strongly agree with that they are 404 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: happy with their lives versus of other men, a better 405 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: sex life, The quality and frequency of their sex, masturbation, 406 00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 1: and orgasms are twenty percent better on average than other men. 407 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 1: They're also eighteen percent more sexually satisfied with their partners, 408 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,680 Speaker 1: better overall health. Percent of men who feel more say 409 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 1: they have good overall health versus eighty one percent of 410 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: other men. They're also eleven percent more likely to belong 411 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:27,080 Speaker 1: to a gym. So again, comprehensively, being like thoughtful and 412 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: in touch with your emotions, and like open minded to 413 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: people of other genders and orientations, and like caring of 414 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 1: your partner makes you a comprehensively happier person, more likely 415 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 1: to have sex, not just more likely to have sex, 416 00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: and management more likely to go to the gym, to 417 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: take care of your own being healthy, able to do 418 00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:48,919 Speaker 1: righte like, Like, they didn't say this in the study 419 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: that you just recited, but um, if I were to 420 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: sort of distill it down, being more in touch with 421 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: your feelings and open new emotions, sort of rejecting these 422 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 1: ideas were talking about will lead you to be more 423 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 1: likely to clean your room. Yeah, and I think it's 424 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: more than that. I think a big part of it 425 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: is that like embracing the attitudes that Peterson has, which 426 00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,080 Speaker 1: is that like, life is this struggle, and you have 427 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,479 Speaker 1: to be the master of everyone and everything around you, 428 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: and that doing anything else is going to make you 429 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: unfulfilled and miserable. Is what makes you und fulfilled and miserable. 430 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 1: And caring about other people and listening to them and 431 00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:29,239 Speaker 1: being agreeable and and like loving is what makes you 432 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,119 Speaker 1: happy and also makes you more powerful, both in a 433 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: physical sense and in an emotional sense and anyway, I mean, 434 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 1: and he's it's because he's even said things along those 435 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: lines before too. Um. His whole deal is sort of 436 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: talking out both sides of his mouth in different clips. 437 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 1: Like you can find him talking about what you just 438 00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,719 Speaker 1: said in other clips. Um. And how you know if 439 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: you want to, uh like to talk about depression before 440 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:02,439 Speaker 1: and how uh a good way to get out of 441 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: that funk is to uh focus on other people and 442 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:10,399 Speaker 1: helping other people. Um. And but he's not gonna he 443 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: can't like reconcile a lot of these sort of disparate 444 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: thoughts that he has. Nope, so that's pretty cool. Um, 445 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: we're barely two minutes into the episode, and Jordan Peterson's 446 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 1: entire theory of the world has already been demolished by 447 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: a company that makes vibrators, which I think is pretty funny. Um, 448 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: let's see what we can learn next. Um. He brings 449 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: up his friend Mary and Tupi, author of books with 450 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 1: and he just says, like, my friend Mary and Tuppy, 451 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: you know and and starts talking about this person's ideas. 452 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 1: Maryan Tupi is the author of books with titles like 453 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 1: ten Global Trends Every Smart Person Should Know and Superabundance, 454 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: the Story of population growth, innovation, and human flourishing on 455 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 1: an infinitely bountiful planet. Um. Kind of in the context 456 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: of this guy, Peterson brings up Paul Erlick, who is 457 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Airlick is the guy who like made this bet about 458 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: certain He was a he was a malenthusiant, right. He 459 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 1: was a guy being like, the world overpopulation is coming 460 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: a bunch, there's going to be a resource crunch, and 461 00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: he made a bet about a bunch of resources running 462 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,080 Speaker 1: out that was wrong, right, That's the gist of Paul Airlick. 463 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: This happened in like the eighties, and the right wing 464 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 1: has never shut up about it as a reason to 465 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,840 Speaker 1: doubt that climate change is real and that a bunch 466 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,919 Speaker 1: of other problems are real. Um So, Peterson contrasts Airlck 467 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: and Malthusians like him who are pessimistic with optimists like 468 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: his friend Mary and Tupi, and he he describes to 469 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: be as a perfectly objective thinker and analyst. Yeah, Sophie, 470 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,040 Speaker 1: can you play that clip? Marry and Tupi and his 471 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:43,959 Speaker 1: co author analyzed historical data looking at the relationship between 472 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: population expansion and abundance, which is a positive relationship in 473 00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: that has there have been more people born since there 474 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:55,560 Speaker 1: have been more smart and competent people born, which is 475 00:27:55,720 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: necessary consequence of that, we've got richer, not poor. And 476 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: the mal enthusiasts say, yeah, well, you know, the other 477 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: shoe will draw up eventually. It's like, yeah, specify your 478 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: time frame, buddy. You don't get to have an infinite 479 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 1: expanse to prove your hypothesis correct. Like, okay, hold up there, 480 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,119 Speaker 1: Jordan's since you have asked us to specify a time frame, 481 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: perhaps we should look into how your friend Marian's predictions 482 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 1: have held up from let's say two thousand fifteen. Marian 483 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: Tupi has been writing stuff for a while. UM, and 484 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: and that is I would say most people would agree 485 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 1: that from two thousand two, most things have gotten worse 486 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: around the world. Right. Um, food is more expensive, gas 487 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 1: is more expensive. There's a massive land war in in Ukraine. 488 00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: The consequences of climate change have gotten more disastrous. Wildfires 489 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:42,920 Speaker 1: have gotten worse all around the world. We've had the 490 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 1: biggest ones in the history of both the American West 491 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: and Australia, just to name a couple of places in 492 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: the very recent past. So I think most people, even 493 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 1: if you're not scared of like Trump and Bolson Jaro 494 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:58,200 Speaker 1: and fucking the rise of all of these authoritarians around 495 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 1: the world, would agree things have oddly gotten worse for 496 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,800 Speaker 1: a lot of people since two thousand fifteen. Um. It 497 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: just so happens that Mary and Tubby is not, as 498 00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: Peterson says, an objective analyst of data, but a right 499 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 1: wing crank. He works he works for the Cato Institute. UM, 500 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: and his big thing is arguing that infinite wealth can 501 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: be extracted from the planet. Uh, and everything will continue 502 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: to get inevitably better if we just keep extracting. He's 503 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 1: part of a whole team of think tank grifters, and 504 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,160 Speaker 1: in servicing this end, he's been a regular contributor at Quillette, 505 00:29:27,360 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: a far right website who also publishes defenses of Phrenology 506 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 1: and National Review. It was at the latter that he 507 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: published a June two thousand fifteen article titled Pope Francis 508 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 1: is unwarranted Gloom and I'm gonna quote from that now. 509 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: The Pope, as the Independent sums up in the encyclical, 510 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: asserts that the world's poorest are the biggest victims of 511 00:29:45,480 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: a web of environmental, human, financial, and ethical degradation that 512 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: puts the entire planet at risk risk. He lambassed rich 513 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: countries for looting the world, warns that the world is 514 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: facing widespread crop failure, economic ruin, and averge. That warming 515 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: caused by the enormous consumption of some rich countries has 516 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 1: of percussions in the poorest places on Earth, especially in Africa, 517 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,080 Speaker 1: where the increase in temperature complying with drought has had 518 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: to rest disastrous effects on the performance of crops. Now, 519 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: everything the Pope says there is absolutely true, um and 520 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: all of those facts have been proven absolutely true over 521 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: the last seven years. Every single thing he said is undeniably, objectively, 522 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: factually true. We are currently dealing with widespread crop failures 523 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: this year and unprecedented surges in food prices. In two 524 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,680 Speaker 1: thousand fifteen, Marian Tupi wrote, quote, and this is him 525 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,000 Speaker 1: talking about the pope. His views on anthropogenic global warming 526 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: will be hotly debated, but his gloom is unwarranted. Well, 527 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: good news, Marian, the debate is over. Two thousand eight 528 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: teen brought Africa's hottest measured temperature on record d and 529 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: twenty four point three degrees in Algeria, and in more 530 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: than four hundred weather stations around the world beat their 531 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: all timed heat records. There's a ton that Tupi is 532 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,320 Speaker 1: wrong about here. He makes a big point about how 533 00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,040 Speaker 1: poverty has declined, and in two thousand fifteen those numbers worldwide, 534 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: we're looking pretty good. It did look like poverty was 535 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,760 Speaker 1: declining very rapidly around the world, but people who actually 536 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 1: honestly analyzed the data, including Pope Francis, were able to 537 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: see just a little bit ahead and that a warming 538 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: world with things like widespread crop failures in brutal pandemics 539 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: um was going to like lead to a decline in 540 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: what gains capitalism had brought people over the last twenty 541 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 1: years or so. Um, after COVID nineteen, the global poverty 542 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: rates surged from seven point eight to nine point one percent, 543 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: wiping out at least four years of progress towards ending 544 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 1: extreme poverty. So like, again, this guy who Peterson's claims 545 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: to be, all these malenthusians, these people who are talking 546 00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,760 Speaker 1: about how the world's heading towards resource crunches are wrong 547 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: because they never specify their time frame. So like what 548 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: they're saying isn't falsifiable, but to be has presented falsifiable 549 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,680 Speaker 1: claims about the state of the world, and they've all 550 00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: been falsified. Right, Like his friend has been wrong, And 551 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: because he's been writing for seven years, we can see 552 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: the things he's been wrong about. He's talking about. How 553 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: like Pope Francis, it's debatable as to whether or not 554 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,360 Speaker 1: Francis is right about you know, Africa warming and this 555 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 1: is having a disastrous impact on the poor. Well we're 556 00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 1: now in two and it's not debatable anymore. Mary Marian 557 00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: was fucking wrong. Um anyway, Peterson next pivots back to 558 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: crowing about Paul Airlick and TUPI has extended that work 559 00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,120 Speaker 1: to a basket of fifty commodities, and has demonstrated now 560 00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: that each child born produces seven times as much wealth 561 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 1: as they consume. So enough with there are too many 562 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: people on the planet, and you know, human beings are 563 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: a destructive force, and all male will is nothing but 564 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: a cancer on the planet and part of the oppressive patriarchy. 565 00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,480 Speaker 1: It's like, that's all. There isn't a shred of evidence 566 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:50,959 Speaker 1: for any of that except so, yeah, he loves talking 567 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: like that. He does all he is doing here, it's 568 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: worth noting. So Maryan Tupi is a media person. He 569 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 1: has a bunch of videos, particularly on YouTube. He goes 570 00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:05,880 Speaker 1: on podcasts all the time. And all he's saying is 571 00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: like a longer version of what Peterson saying, right, that 572 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 1: the more people who were born, and the more people 573 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: who like, the more that we extract and and from 574 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: the earth, the wealthier everyone will get that this is 575 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: like a fact of reality that cannot be questioned. Um 576 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: and again it's like you're living through him being wrong. 577 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,160 Speaker 1: We're experiencing it every day of our lives. In two 578 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,600 Speaker 1: I mean, aside from like the general misrepresentation of a 579 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,320 Speaker 1: lot of the points being made by other people. Um, 580 00:33:36,360 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: it is just interesting seeing him get so angry about 581 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: yeah things that like, well, we like because he filmed 582 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: this in two I assume yes, yes, at which point 583 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: it is very obvious that the stuff that Mary and 584 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: Tupi was writing in two fifteen was completely wrong. Yeah, 585 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: and like I don't I'm I'm not personally in the 586 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: camp of like overpopulation is like a problem. The problem 587 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: is not overpopulation, it's over consumption by wealthy an allocation 588 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 1: of resources and things like that. Um so I'm not 589 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 1: like I don't have babies, d growth like that kind 590 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: of thing. But like, uh, this other stuff that he's 591 00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,440 Speaker 1: saying is also wrong. Yes, it's one of those that 592 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 1: he's he's making kind of the same arguments that I 593 00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: think Matthew Iglesias is the guy who's like, we need 594 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: to have a billion Americans. It's like, no, we don't 595 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,799 Speaker 1: actually like I don't believe overpopulation is the problem, but 596 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 1: we certainly don't need to expand the population of wealthy 597 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: countries or the population in general. Like there's plenty of people. Um, yeah, 598 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: it's it's fine. It's fine, even like billions a good number. Yeah, 599 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 1: even like the the um we don't need to talk 600 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: a whole lot about birthrates and stuff. But every time 601 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,680 Speaker 1: it comes up, I'm always just like, okay, but like, 602 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:54,400 Speaker 1: is it going to go down to zero and then 603 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:55,759 Speaker 1: there be no people? Is that what you think is 604 00:34:55,800 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: gonna happen? Like, No, it's just people are number one. 605 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: There's like less need to have multiple children. And it's 606 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: broadly good when the birth rate does slow down. Um, 607 00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,120 Speaker 1: especially since it leads like there's been a bunch of 608 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: benefits to the fact that people no longer are having 609 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 1: in the West, like twelve child families, including the fact 610 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: that like kids get more attention from their parents and 611 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 1: are seeing less as like a disposable commodity, which they 612 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:27,200 Speaker 1: often were early in history. Um, I don't know. Uh, 613 00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,759 Speaker 1: it's cool. I think the thing that the thing that 614 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: Tupi is saying that like I find offensive is that 615 00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 1: this is a line of our and there's a lot 616 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: of guys whose whole job is making this argument that 617 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 1: everything is getting better, and that everyone who has complaints 618 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 1: about the world and who sees things as like on 619 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,279 Speaker 1: a really dark course is just irrational and not looking 620 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: at the actual facts and what these arguments are geared towards. 621 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,919 Speaker 1: Is convincing a centrist middle class that the everything will 622 00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 1: get back to whatever they used to consider normal, The 623 00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: world will recover entirely from COVID, climate change will get 624 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,239 Speaker 1: fixed by some one. Yet as of yet, scene scientific 625 00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: innovation and neoliberal capitalism will continue to increase the value 626 00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,279 Speaker 1: extracted from the earth every year forever. It is the 627 00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: do you don't have to worry or change anything? Argument? Right, Yes, yes, yeah, 628 00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: it's a it's that's I mean, his whole thing is, 629 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,880 Speaker 1: don't do anything, it'll work itself out. And Peterson likes 630 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: this argument, and a lot of the people who to 631 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: push this argument are actually like more on the liberal 632 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: side of things. But Jordan Peterson likes sees this argument 633 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: because he he has this kind of panglossy and belief 634 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:33,160 Speaker 1: that everything is the best that it could be and 635 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: is getting better. Like sorry, Peterson uses this argument this 636 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: like pananglossy and belief that everything is the best it 637 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: could be in getting better to argue that masculine capitalist 638 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,440 Speaker 1: wealth seeking is altruism, right, That's why he finds this useful. 639 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,920 Speaker 1: And I want to play another clip here too. So 640 00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: not only are we not governed by the satanic expression 641 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: of power dooming us to a kind of authoritarian Hell, 642 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: what we're properly governed by is something like the spirit 643 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:06,240 Speaker 1: of voluntary play. And so that's all good. That's all 644 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: necessary to know for young men, because they're taught so 645 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:13,319 Speaker 1: often that their ambition is somehow intrinsically corrupt and the 646 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: best thing they could do is just, you know, slough 647 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,000 Speaker 1: off into a corner and maybe die without making too 648 00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 1: much noise. Yeah. I had a friend who committed suicide 649 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,879 Speaker 1: really because he believed that took him like twenty years 650 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:27,759 Speaker 1: to die. It was pretty painful to watch, but he 651 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: definitely believed all that. Yeah. Yeah, the real joy of 652 00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,880 Speaker 1: watching Peterson is that he'll just sort of veer off 653 00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,319 Speaker 1: and like safe ship like this, And of course we 654 00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,799 Speaker 1: don't know anything, Like he says, this happens over twenty years. 655 00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:45,920 Speaker 1: So was he talking about like a guy with a 656 00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: substance to abuse disorder. That's what I'm thinking he's talking about, 657 00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: because he's not like, yeah, twenty like it sounds like, yeah, 658 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:59,239 Speaker 1: twenty years of like depression. Yeah yeah, and he was 659 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,160 Speaker 1: depressed because is there are massive unsolved problems that the 660 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 1: rich are like burning money in order to make it. 661 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,759 Speaker 1: Basically either illegal or impossible for people to solve. And 662 00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:15,239 Speaker 1: Peterson's job is to reinforce those people and try to 663 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:18,120 Speaker 1: convince folks for another year or two that they don't 664 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: need to take any action to stop the oil and 665 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: gas companies and other wealthy interests from pilfering the world 666 00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: as it falls apart around us, and they retreat to 667 00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,600 Speaker 1: their fucking bunkers. Like that's literally his entire job. Everything 668 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,719 Speaker 1: is fine, ignore the warning signs for another year. That's 669 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 1: why he exists, That's why they fund that's why oil 670 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:43,160 Speaker 1: and are wound funding this guy. That's why they're throwing 671 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: money at him to do this. Yeah, and he does 672 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: it by like some very unclear anecdote. And it's interesting 673 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: because the people arguing everything is getting better. That's an 674 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:01,480 Speaker 1: argument that works for like the Obama style neoliberals, because 675 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,759 Speaker 1: it's like, look, this the system, we just need to 676 00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:06,759 Speaker 1: tweak it around the edges. This is fundamentally good and 677 00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: what we're doing is good. Um, and Peterson is taking 678 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: and saying like, because everything is getting better, and because 679 00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 1: we live in a society dominated by capitalist, hierarchical men, 680 00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,919 Speaker 1: being that kind of person is an out is altruism. 681 00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:24,000 Speaker 1: Like being a billionaire who, for example, buys a company 682 00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: fire sev of the people there, loads it with debt, 683 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 1: and then crashes. It is good because you're you know 684 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: that that kind of behavior makes the world better. Obviously, 685 00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:35,520 Speaker 1: men like that have been in charge since forever, so 686 00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: since they've been in charge and the world's gotten better. 687 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,560 Speaker 1: Their altruists, it's the same sort of line of thinking. 688 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 1: He and like a lot of like like evolutionary biologists. 689 00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:49,560 Speaker 1: It's like the evolutionary psychology uh sort of thing where 690 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: it's like, well, because we're here today and alive, every 691 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:59,160 Speaker 1: single uh step of evolution was good, like the capital 692 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: g we should preserve it right where it worked. It 693 00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,080 Speaker 1: worked then, like millions of years ago. Therefore we need 694 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:07,759 Speaker 1: to preserve it. And this is again, this is always 695 00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,080 Speaker 1: the idea. This is always the actual ideology of the 696 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: people who are in power. This is why Voltaire in 697 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:16,680 Speaker 1: fucking candem I brought up pangloss like he is mocking 698 00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: this idea that like the pain loss is this like 699 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,000 Speaker 1: philosopher guy who's saying, like this is the best of 700 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: all possible worlds and everything that happens, and it is 701 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:27,040 Speaker 1: like the best that can possibly be, which is if 702 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,439 Speaker 1: you're in charge, always the way in which you want 703 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:33,080 Speaker 1: people to feel like. That's all Jordan Peterson is is 704 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:39,960 Speaker 1: fucking pangloss with you on top of the pyramidmid rule. Yeah, anyway, 705 00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:51,440 Speaker 1: we should probably roll to ads. I love it. Oh God, 706 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: what a great time. Um, I for one love that. 707 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,880 Speaker 1: Voltaire in seventeen fifty nine writes Jordan Peterson into a 708 00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:06,320 Speaker 1: novel and he's it's the same guy. It's the same guy. Um, 709 00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:12,200 Speaker 1: that's very funny guy. Same outfit, same outfit. Yeah. So anyway, 710 00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,880 Speaker 1: here's Jordan Peterson being wrong again. Awesome companies. It is 711 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:22,320 Speaker 1: well man who quell themselves to that degree also suffer 712 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 1: the shadow problem, which is all the lived life ambition, 713 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:31,640 Speaker 1: aggression within them, sexual desire that just goes underground. And 714 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:35,080 Speaker 1: then well, that's that's what accounts in part for these 715 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:38,800 Speaker 1: explosive violent crimes, certainly accounts for a lot of gang crime, 716 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,319 Speaker 1: because gang crime that's been established beyond a shadow of 717 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:52,359 Speaker 1: a doubt is all status jockey. Now, so for one thing, 718 00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 1: he's saying that, like because men are being told to 719 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: like deny their natural kind of like aggressive status seeking 720 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,399 Speaker 1: Nature's Um, that's what's leading these explosions of violence, which 721 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:05,239 Speaker 1: is interesting because the United States is, even with the 722 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: recent search we saw after COVID nineteen, less violent than 723 00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 1: it has been at basically any point in the lifetimes 724 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,879 Speaker 1: of anybody alive right now, Like when I was born 725 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: in the late nineteen eighties, the United States was vastly 726 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:21,760 Speaker 1: more violent than it is today. Um, almost in every 727 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,919 Speaker 1: single part of the country. Uh So why why would 728 00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: that be, Jordan's why why would that be if we've 729 00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:33,880 Speaker 1: also gotten more woke over time? UM? I don't know, 730 00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:39,000 Speaker 1: maybe just just whatever. Um. All of these things that 731 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,759 Speaker 1: he takes as evidence of a sick culture, lower birth rates, 732 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 1: increased understanding and rejection of patriarchy, more open minded and 733 00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:49,200 Speaker 1: emotionally connected men. These things have all occurred as violence 734 00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,120 Speaker 1: has declined in the United States. And this is true 735 00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 1: even accounting for the increases and violence that some places 736 00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:57,200 Speaker 1: experienced after COVID nineteen. I'm gonna quote from a New 737 00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: York Times article this August crime murder mass shootings have 738 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: dominated headlines this year. Just over the weekend, of shooting 739 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:06,040 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati wounded nine people and another in Detroit killed 740 00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,479 Speaker 1: one and wounded four. But the full crime data tells 741 00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,920 Speaker 1: a different story. Nationwide, shootings are down four percent this 742 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,800 Speaker 1: year compared to the same time last year. In big cities, 743 00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,560 Speaker 1: murders are down three percent. If the decrease in murders 744 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: continues for the rest of twenty two, this will be 745 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: the first year since two thousand eighteen in which they 746 00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: fell in the United States. Huh Again, this is also 747 00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,280 Speaker 1: like there's a lot to blame the media on because 748 00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,800 Speaker 1: if you graph how common shootings are in this country 749 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,720 Speaker 1: versus how commonly they're covered in the United States, coverage 750 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: of shootings has soared massively. Well, shootings have more or 751 00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,920 Speaker 1: less staid stable in most of the country and slightly 752 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,840 Speaker 1: declined in a lot of places. Um. And this is 753 00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,719 Speaker 1: because like if it bleeds, it leads, right, This has 754 00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: led people to believe errantly that the United States is 755 00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:53,400 Speaker 1: much more violent than it actually is right now. Where again, 756 00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: this is like a massive continuing problem, right that as 757 00:43:57,000 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: over the last thirty years violence has declined, people have 758 00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: believed that cities have gotten more like there's like you 759 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,680 Speaker 1: talked to a conservative and fucking Ohio about New York 760 00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,279 Speaker 1: City and they'll be like, well, yeah, it's really dangerous, 761 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,279 Speaker 1: Like it's it's this crime Drinche tellhole, no, New York 762 00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:14,160 Speaker 1: City is safer, safer than virtually a hundred percent of 763 00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,800 Speaker 1: rural America. Um. Um, Yeah, sounds like Peterson is a 764 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: victim of the woke media. Yes, it does sound like 765 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:23,319 Speaker 1: he's a victim of the woke media. Um. In the 766 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: early nineteen nineties, the US averaged around ten murders per 767 00:44:26,880 --> 00:44:29,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. In the Obama years, that dropped to 768 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,000 Speaker 1: a little more than four. And even though things have 769 00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 1: ticked up after COVID, they still topped out at around 770 00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: seven per hundred thousand, and that is now declining again. Um, 771 00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:43,839 Speaker 1: that's a significant drop. Yeah. Again, we were just like 772 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,640 Speaker 1: we were just talking about like pangloss and stuff, but 773 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: like the change in the commonness of violence and murder 774 00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,920 Speaker 1: in the United States since the early nineties is stunning, 775 00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: Like it is a massive decline. Yeah. It's interesting that 776 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,120 Speaker 1: like the one thing, like he could be he could 777 00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: be right about that one thing, but he chooses to 778 00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:08,200 Speaker 1: be wrong about that one thing and everything else. Yeah, 779 00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: Because if if it's true that violent, that we're much 780 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,840 Speaker 1: less violent than we used to be, even given like 781 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 1: how much attention shootings get in the media today, then 782 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,839 Speaker 1: The argument is that maybe like, oh, perhaps like all 783 00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,000 Speaker 1: of these things that have changed about like encouraging men 784 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: to talk about their feelings and accept other people and 785 00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,000 Speaker 1: accept different sexual orientations and a wider understanding of gender, 786 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,719 Speaker 1: maybe all of that actually like helped. I mean, maybe 787 00:45:33,719 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: it's just getting the lead out of gasoline, but maybe 788 00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,480 Speaker 1: that other stuff like she didn't hurt, yeah, did not 789 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 1: hurt um. But he would uh probably reject that too 790 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,440 Speaker 1: because he doesn't want to change anything about like environmental 791 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:54,000 Speaker 1: Uh well, after that did affect you, His environment means everything. Yeah, 792 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,839 Speaker 1: that's a he's such a little weener. Yeah. So from here, 793 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,360 Speaker 1: Peterson claims that women are inherently interested in men based 794 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 1: on the amount of resources that they have or are 795 00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: likely to generate. Mm hm. You know, women often get 796 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,279 Speaker 1: a bad rap, especially from people in the manisphere, so 797 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: called for being hypergamous, which means mating across socio economic hierarchies, 798 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: because women have a preference for men young women we're 799 00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 1: about four years older than them, who are as well 800 00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,239 Speaker 1: off or better off than they are. And it's a 801 00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: female calibration mechanism, uh for to to remediate the inequality 802 00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:44,000 Speaker 1: placed on women in relationship to pregnancy and infant care. 803 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,160 Speaker 1: So woman takes a vicious hit in terms of productivity 804 00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:56,720 Speaker 1: when she becomes pregnant and has a doing immediately updating 805 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,160 Speaker 1: my dating profile. I'm sorry, are you exactly four years 806 00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: older than me? Um? I do wonder if women men 807 00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:07,200 Speaker 1: four years older than them has anything to do with that. Like, 808 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: the older you get, the less likely you are to 809 00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:12,839 Speaker 1: take Jordan Peterson seriously, more likely you are to be 810 00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: more in touch with your feelings. Maybe you've like matured 811 00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 1: a little bit and are better partner. H Uh. I 812 00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 1: don't know, Like that's that's like, what's his point? I 813 00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:36,239 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't It's it's such a transactional way 814 00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:39,239 Speaker 1: of looking at relationships. Women prefer older men because they 815 00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,440 Speaker 1: earn more and have more money, and women know that 816 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,120 Speaker 1: they're going to take a financial hit by having a 817 00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,399 Speaker 1: child because it reduces their productivity. And that's a no. 818 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: People don't think like that. Jordan's like nobody. People do 819 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: not go out into the world and decide to have 820 00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: like a child and gold. I need to get a 821 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,080 Speaker 1: man who has an additional four years of earning so 822 00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 1: that his savings and like make up for the loss 823 00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: in productivity that I'm going to suffer for having this child. 824 00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,239 Speaker 1: And I mean some people, I'm sure there's it's not 825 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,279 Speaker 1: a zero number, but like I know a lot of 826 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,799 Speaker 1: people who have had kids, and none of them thought 827 00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,680 Speaker 1: that much about it. Mostly they just get pregnant and decide, 828 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 1: I guess I'm gonna have a kid because it feels 829 00:48:18,520 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: like a good time to do it. Figure it out. Yeah, no, no, no, no, no, no, 830 00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,360 Speaker 1: not us ladies four years older than us. I'm sorry, 831 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:32,480 Speaker 1: where are you? Okay, I must dot the t at Okay, great, 832 00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: will not will not go on a date unless you've 833 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:39,959 Speaker 1: met all these qualifications because I might need to take 834 00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,120 Speaker 1: your money so I may have a child. Yeah, it 835 00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:48,759 Speaker 1: makes perfect sense, girls stuff. Yeah, that's totally how I 836 00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,879 Speaker 1: think about things. God. Yeah, it's uh, I mean, it's 837 00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,960 Speaker 1: it's a really toxic You get this because he's kind 838 00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:58,640 Speaker 1: of laying it out as if like this is just 839 00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: like completely re sasonable and uncontroversial. But the actual like 840 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: argument he's making is that women are incapable of love, 841 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:12,560 Speaker 1: which that is like the insulting of like, well, women 842 00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:15,399 Speaker 1: women are hypergamus because it's a resource thing, and that's 843 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:17,440 Speaker 1: the thing that they're thinking about is like maximizing their 844 00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,800 Speaker 1: resources and right and as opposed to like the actual 845 00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: like yeah, that like the connection that one hopes to 846 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:29,840 Speaker 1: have with another person. The reason why most people have 847 00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,760 Speaker 1: kids is that they really want to fuck another person 848 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,480 Speaker 1: and then they get pregnant and decide, I guess I'm 849 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: having a kid now. Look, that's not going to describe 850 00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,160 Speaker 1: a hundred percent of cases, but most of the people 851 00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 1: I know were like, well, yeah, I was with this 852 00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,120 Speaker 1: guy or this lady and we had sex and then 853 00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, there was a pregnancy, and we decided I 854 00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:51,200 Speaker 1: guess now is the time. Yeah, And he's I think 855 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: historically that's most pregnancy sort of apply like a person's value. 856 00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:00,000 Speaker 1: And this is like it's so weirdly harmful because he's 857 00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: sort of excusing this behavior and saying like this is 858 00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: how it is and this is how it should be. 859 00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:08,000 Speaker 1: Therefore you need to do this and this and this 860 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:12,560 Speaker 1: to get this high on his little hierarchy. Uh, and 861 00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: like it just puts so much value on uh, like 862 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 1: like just money, Like that's the value that he's trying 863 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: to focus on, as opposed to all the other values 864 00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,560 Speaker 1: that people look for when looking for a partner. I 865 00:50:30,600 --> 00:50:37,719 Speaker 1: don't know. Weird unpleasant way to look at things. Yeah, 866 00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:40,120 Speaker 1: I find it unpleasant, but you know what I do 867 00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:44,920 Speaker 1: find pleasant, Cody. The next thing you're gonna say, I 868 00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:49,960 Speaker 1: find your plug doubles deeply pleasant. I love it when 869 00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:55,359 Speaker 1: you plug things. Can I can? I say nothing gets 870 00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,799 Speaker 1: me harder? You can say it? Thank you again? Say 871 00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,759 Speaker 1: they did I have of I will continue to Yeah 872 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:06,800 Speaker 1: you will. I'm gonna plug so hard? Um whatever anything 873 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,560 Speaker 1: any hole? All right? Enough of that. Hi, I'm Cody, 874 00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,080 Speaker 1: and I have things on the internet. You can google me. 875 00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,760 Speaker 1: Cody Johnston is the name um gotta show on YouTube 876 00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 1: called some More News and a podcast called even More 877 00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:25,600 Speaker 1: News and patreon dot com slash some More News is 878 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,360 Speaker 1: where you can support us for those things. And furthermore, 879 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:36,360 Speaker 1: that's it. Wow, brave, courage the Hot Shapes. You have 880 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: a band. Yeah, we don't have technically have songs available yet, 881 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:41,560 Speaker 1: but we will probably by the time this air is 882 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:47,719 Speaker 1: Actually it's called the Hot Shapes. Now, Cody, tell me this. 883 00:51:48,600 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 1: When you say a band, what kind of music do 884 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:55,400 Speaker 1: you play? Is it ska? It's not ska unfortunately, and 885 00:51:55,480 --> 00:52:00,040 Speaker 1: yet you think it's music interesting? Interesting, interesting subject of 886 00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,080 Speaker 1: subjectively music? I don't know that. I agree with the 887 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,080 Speaker 1: first non ska band. Someone finally did it. They created 888 00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:12,040 Speaker 1: music that wasn't ska. We did it. Somebody did it. 889 00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,640 Speaker 1: Somebody ring, ring the bell and tell the Mighty Mighty 890 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:19,400 Speaker 1: boss Tones that they're great. Burden has been lifted. You 891 00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:25,040 Speaker 1: are free. You're free. Go make another album about George Floyd. 892 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:31,759 Speaker 1: Oh god, Oh did you not hear that? Oh oh, Cody, 893 00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:38,080 Speaker 1: it was one of the worst things anyone's ever done. Yeah. Um, 894 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,880 Speaker 1: you need to listen to that. In the break between 895 00:52:40,880 --> 00:52:43,000 Speaker 1: when we record episodes and when we come back to 896 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: part two, we will start by you talking about your 897 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:50,680 Speaker 1: reaction to that Mighty Mighty Bosstones song. Oh yeah, oh Cody, 898 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:55,920 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. Anyway, that's been part one. We'll see you 899 00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:02,360 Speaker 1: again on Thursday. Go with Christ Behind the Bastards is 900 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,160 Speaker 1: a production of cool Zone Media. For more from cool 901 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:08,359 Speaker 1: Zone Media, visit our website cool zone media dot com, 902 00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, 903 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.