WEBVTT - Vibe Criming: John Ernst Worrell Keely

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous crime. It is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Zaren Elizabeth Zarn. How are you?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really good good. I'm happy to say that.

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<v Speaker 2>You really are really good.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, thank goodness.

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<v Speaker 3>How about you? How you feeling?

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<v Speaker 2>How you doing all right? I'm alright?

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<v Speaker 3>How you be? Girl?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? Above ground and getting paid? I like

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<v Speaker 2>to say, that's me h. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes? I do. Oh have you ever heard of the

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<v Speaker 3>Kentucky meat shower?

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<v Speaker 2>Is that like a euphemism?

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<v Speaker 3>No, it's a thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an actual, literal thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Between eleven am and noon on March third, eighteen seventy six,

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<v Speaker 3>uh huh, chunks of meat fell from the sky over

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<v Speaker 3>Olympia Springs in Bath County, Kentucky. And it was like

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<v Speaker 3>big chunks of meat, like we're talking.

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<v Speaker 2>Like stew beef.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. This this apparently this farmhouse farm wife she went

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<v Speaker 3>outside and her husband thought it was like an a

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<v Speaker 3>sign of God, right, and he said that it was

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<v Speaker 3>snowing meat. That's how he described it was. The pieces

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<v Speaker 3>of meat were two by two inches or five centimeters

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<v Speaker 3>by five centimeters, and one of them was at least

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<v Speaker 3>four inches by four inches or ten centimeters by ten sameters.

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<v Speaker 3>These are big chunks of meat. Yeah. Some people thought

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<v Speaker 3>it was beef. Some people thought it was lamb, some

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<v Speaker 3>people thought it was dear. Two men who tasted it,

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<v Speaker 3>they judged it to be lamb or deer. They tasted

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<v Speaker 3>the meat. They no, they just picked it up and

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<v Speaker 3>let me taste that little. It tastes like deer to me.

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<v Speaker 3>So accordingly this guy, doctor Allan McLain Hamilton from the

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<v Speaker 3>medical record, he stated that the meat had been identified

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<v Speaker 3>as lung tissue from either a human being or a

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<v Speaker 3>human in or from a human so either a whole

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<v Speaker 3>course or human.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he said about the structure of the organ

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<v Speaker 3>in these two cases being almost identical. Right. So the

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<v Speaker 3>New York Times described it as cosmic meat because that's

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<v Speaker 3>what some of the locals were kind of joking about.

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<v Speaker 3>So some humorous. This guy, the Kurt Goda, apparently he

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<v Speaker 3>had this theory that it was cosmic meat. Others locals

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<v Speaker 3>they thought the meat would have been vomited by either

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<v Speaker 3>black or turkey vultures. So black vultures or turkey vultures,

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<v Speaker 3>and because apparently they do that when they're stressed, they

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<v Speaker 3>vomit up but what they just raised so they could

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<v Speaker 3>fly right, just so we could all know that's science.

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<v Speaker 2>And they didn't even say it was what it was.

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<v Speaker 2>They got it wrong. It was like human lung, totally

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<v Speaker 2>like medicine.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. Some people also pointed out that it could

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<v Speaker 3>have been like had like send you also that, so

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<v Speaker 3>it could have been like, uh, you know, basically human

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<v Speaker 3>gristle and and what have you. So I have a theory,

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<v Speaker 3>thank you for asking.

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<v Speaker 2>It was desperate to.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a time traveler who got their coordinate's wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>and you just got just destroyed across the atmosphere and

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<v Speaker 3>they fell down in bits and pieces. Cause if you

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<v Speaker 3>think about it, the planet's moving, and say you do

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<v Speaker 3>some time travel, if you don't get your cord, it's

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<v Speaker 3>exactly right. You could en end up in the atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 3>You could end up in the defense center of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 3>You're not going to necessarily land on the surface. Got

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<v Speaker 3>to be the whole planet's moving, So I mean, you

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<v Speaker 3>got to really get your cord. And it's right. So

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<v Speaker 3>you're off by just a little bit, maybe early experimentation.

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<v Speaker 3>All of a sudden you just slid a person across

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<v Speaker 3>the atmosphere and you got a meat shower.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think that's the only explanation. I mean, my

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<v Speaker 2>time travel, my theory. I mean it's not as as like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's right in front of us. Why didn't

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<v Speaker 2>we think it? Is that there was an inventor in

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<v Speaker 2>the area who invented the first wood chipper, oh like.

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<v Speaker 3>A meat cannon, and fell into it and then broke.

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<v Speaker 2>It while it was spraying him all over making and

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<v Speaker 2>then no one could find it. So you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>had to go all that time so you could get

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<v Speaker 2>the wood schipper reinvented.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I love that theory, and I cannot promise you

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<v Speaker 3>that I will not in the future comically refer to

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<v Speaker 3>as a euphemism a Kentucky meat shower sounds like the

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<v Speaker 3>old Kentucky meat shower.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so what that would be a euphemism.

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<v Speaker 3>For probably something I order at a restaurant that I

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<v Speaker 3>go to. What is this Kentucky No, that's like.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're eating a burrito, but it's like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those disgusting like something no offense to those who like it.

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<v Speaker 2>But the ground beef burrito and you trip spills down

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<v Speaker 2>the sidewalk out that's Kentucky meat because like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's like sort of gringo to do ground beef

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<v Speaker 2>and a burrito.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's just what I'm hearing in my earpiece right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's ridiculous. I love that. Thank you. Do you want

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<v Speaker 2>to know what else is ridiculous? Being powered by vibes?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, this is This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about

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<v Speaker 4>absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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<v Speaker 2>It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>This I know you done herd have yes? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Con men right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those are especially when they aim up.

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<v Speaker 2>They traffic in vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is true. It's a good way of putting in Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's just put that out there. They create vibes that

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<v Speaker 2>get people engaged. People want in on vibes.

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<v Speaker 3>They're vibe criming.

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<v Speaker 2>They're total vibe criming. I you know, it's interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday you were talking about scientists death.

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<v Speaker 3>This is true, and our.

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<v Speaker 2>Cycles have synked once again. Yes, yeah, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>scientist for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Really look at us, girls.

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<v Speaker 2>We're an old timey con man and he used both

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<v Speaker 2>vibes in his behaviors. And in his con itself. Oh zaren,

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<v Speaker 2>meet John whirl Keihley.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh what a mouthful name.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so Keeley, that's his stepsister.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to call him Keeley like when you yell

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<v Speaker 2>at yourself and say Brenette. Okay. So he was someone

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<v Speaker 2>referred to me in an email today as just Dunton.

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<v Speaker 2>Really yeah, and I was like, Dunton did you read that?

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<v Speaker 2>I did?

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<v Speaker 3>Actually? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>So okay. Keilley born eighteen thirty seven in Pennsylvania. He

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<v Speaker 2>was raised by his grandparents, because you know, he was

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<v Speaker 2>orphaned young. Not a lot of information out there otherwise,

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<v Speaker 2>but what we do know is that he was raised

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<v Speaker 2>in really modest circumstances, and he had only a very

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<v Speaker 2>limited formal education. So he wasn't like one of your

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<v Speaker 2>high falutin scientists who goes off to MI I T

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<v Speaker 2>and Dartmouth and what have you? This guy and the

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<v Speaker 2>whatnots and the who's it's. So he had a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of different jobs in his early adult years. He was

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<v Speaker 2>a carpenter kind of like Jesus. He was a painter

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like you. He was a carnival barker kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like Day and then he was a musician who

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<v Speaker 2>played in various orchestras in and around Philadelphia, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a turn who saw that kind of like precisely. So

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<v Speaker 2>these gigs established him in two skills that would absolutely

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<v Speaker 2>become indispensable in his later let's call them fraudulent enterprises.

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<v Speaker 2>He had this dexterity with mechanical apparatus and say that

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<v Speaker 2>was you know, musical instruments and tools. And then he

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<v Speaker 2>had this crazy charisma and he could beguile even the

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<v Speaker 2>most skeptical observer. Oh my god. Like Riz City. That's

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<v Speaker 2>is that the new grand theft auto?

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<v Speaker 3>Rizz City?

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<v Speaker 2>What's your Raccoon Escape from Raccoon City or whatever?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, what was that? Welcome to Raccoon City.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it was like a video game movie. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know whatever it was. Riz City. So to understand Kihley,

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<v Speaker 2>we have to understand Philadelphia in the mid nineteenth century.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to know Philly as was the city that

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<v Speaker 2>was absolutely electrified by technological progress. This is the age

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<v Speaker 2>of steams. Oh yes, it had transformed industry. And then

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<v Speaker 2>all these inventors are popping up. They want attention and

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<v Speaker 2>they want money, they want that capital. Enter John Ernst WHORL. Kiley.

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<v Speaker 2>So he had this boldness and it kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>bordered on the theatrical in the way that he presented.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, thinking like P. T. Barnum, like where he's like

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<v Speaker 3>got the you know, Carnival Barker.

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like flourishes in my mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, like this.

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<v Speaker 2>So he was this large like mountain of a man,

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<v Speaker 2>powerfully built. He had this really commanding physical presence and

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<v Speaker 2>a booming, deep sonorous voice. Yes, and that magnetic self assurance,

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<v Speaker 2>the confidence that everyone trusted him.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So around eighteen seventy two he starts attracting attention because

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<v Speaker 2>he claimed that he had discovered an entirely new, an

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<v Speaker 2>inexhaustible source of energy.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, energy story.

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<v Speaker 2>And he called this etheric force.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yes, I'm familiar. I've seen this reference. Well.

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<v Speaker 2>So the term, like he it evoked what was really

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<v Speaker 2>current at that time, this scientific concept of luminiferous ether yes,

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<v Speaker 2>hypothetical medium through which light waves were believed to propagate.

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<v Speaker 2>So Keeley was like, I can manipulate the vibrational properties

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<v Speaker 2>of water and air, look at me, look at me now,

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<v Speaker 2>wash me cook, and I can release a force of

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<v Speaker 2>like unimaginable power from virtually any substance.

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<v Speaker 3>You think lightning's cool, and you know all.

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<v Speaker 2>Powered by vibes, that all vibes is there in the

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<v Speaker 2>clay was staggering, staggered. So he said that, Okay, He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>with this single quart of water and he would hold

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<v Speaker 2>something up, he'd do his process on it, he'd do

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<v Speaker 2>his whole thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Alecazoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, vibes, vibes, and then he could generate enough pressure

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<v Speaker 2>to drive a locomotive. Wow, and not just like a

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<v Speaker 2>few feet down the track. I'm talking like a long trip.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. He's like, I'm creating nuclear energy out of this water.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yes, So his spiel was like this infection of

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<v Speaker 2>invented terminology. Love that and like half baked scientific concepts.

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<v Speaker 3>I am so jealous. I've always wanted to invent terminology

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<v Speaker 3>and half so good, come on, so good, let me cook.

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<v Speaker 3>In the eighteen eighties, so he talked.

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<v Speaker 2>About vibratory sympathetic transmission, quadruple negative harmonics. This is like

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<v Speaker 2>when people talk like this, my eyes glaze over. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just like, yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Polar and depolar differentiation, Okay, etheric disintegration, like dozens of

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<v Speaker 2>these totally.

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<v Speaker 3>This guy's are like a glossy So.

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<v Speaker 2>To the uninitiated people like me, they're impressed, like that's technical.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of.

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<v Speaker 2>Actual physicists and engineers they're like, this is nonsense, babble.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely so ps, you're violating the laws of thermodynamics.

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<v Speaker 3>Newton would be tear his hair cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>Up on that. Yeah, so Keeley, he wasn't talking to physicists.

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<v Speaker 2>He was talking to fat cat because.

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<v Speaker 3>They're critical, Elizabeth, they are faking, they've read books.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he No. Keeley is like, hey, wealthy industrialists.

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<v Speaker 3>You guys are investor.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, people who just have money burning a

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<v Speaker 2>hole in their pocket and they want to get in

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<v Speaker 2>on this like miraculous solution to the world's energy problems. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>sounds familiar. They're like, we're in, you know, count us in.

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<v Speaker 2>Have my money, please me.

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<v Speaker 4>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>The cornerstone of his public demonstrations was this machine that

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<v Speaker 2>he called the hydro pneumatic pulsating vacuo engine, and this

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<v Speaker 2>evolved into different iterations. Sometimes he called it the vibratory generator, combulator, combobulator,

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<v Speaker 2>vibratory generator, Okay, the liberator, that was when he was

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<v Speaker 2>like trying something like more marketing forward.

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<v Speaker 3>These are the people who made it hard to be

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<v Speaker 3>Nikola Tesla. He's like, look, I got this, and vibrates

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<v Speaker 3>that are.

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<v Speaker 2>Like no, and then he finally settled on sympathetic transmitter.

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<v Speaker 2>That's like, that's my favorite radiohead. So these devices, they're

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<v Speaker 2>just absolute marvels of mechanical complexity. There's just tubes and

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<v Speaker 2>valves and gauges and like resonating chambers. I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>that is. So Keiley would run the machines and they

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<v Speaker 2>would produce impressive phenomena, like the gauges would show crazy pressure,

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<v Speaker 2>and metal bars looked like they were just bending by

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<v Speaker 2>invisible forces. Weights were like lifted and thrusted. They vibrated,

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<v Speaker 2>They're like pulsing. It was so loud. Witnesses were always

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<v Speaker 2>just like I'm amazed and I'm convinced, Like that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they would say, So pretty soon and I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>stand back, I've got steambirds. Pretty soon Kihi incorporated the

0:13:59.360 --> 0:14:02.680
<v Speaker 2>Kili Motor Company and offered shares to the public, and

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<v Speaker 2>the response was over the top. Rich folks, regular citizens.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone's throwing money at him. Everyone wants in. Uh, they

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<v Speaker 2>dumped five million dollars into it. UPU opening real.

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<v Speaker 3>Scientist must have been losing. Oh god, which is like getting.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred and thirty three million today? Are you getting

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<v Speaker 2>to day's dollars? If I'm like, I've got a combobulator

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<v Speaker 2>and they're like, have one hundred and thirty three million?

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<v Speaker 2>Thinks guy?

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<v Speaker 3>Unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 2>So the most significant of his investors over the years

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<v Speaker 2>was this woman. This is Clara Jessup Bloomfield more.

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<v Speaker 3>Does everybody have crazy names? This is amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's how you get that's your price of admission at

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<v Speaker 2>this rich Philadelphia widow. She's a woman of letters. She's smart,

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<v Speaker 2>She's really smart. She was a wonderful philanthropist. I had

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<v Speaker 2>all these asiums.

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<v Speaker 3>She's curious about the cutting edge.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So she became his greatest champion and patron from

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<v Speaker 2>the early eighteen eighties onward. She to start one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars plus a monthly salary for him of two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>So let's convert that, please, I need a converted.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a three million dollar investment. And she was given

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<v Speaker 2>him like eight grand a month. I know I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm telling you, it's so much more fun of your comment.

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<v Speaker 2>So you hear it, right, Yeah, it's fun and easy.

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<v Speaker 2>So she wrote articles defending him in scientific journals. Oh lord,

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<v Speaker 2>she wrote with all these like scientists like on his

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<v Speaker 2>behalf approached them. She published a full length book in

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<v Speaker 2>eighteen ninety three called Keighley and his Discovery's Aerial Navigation,

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<v Speaker 2>and she was like, this is a this is a breakthrough.

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<v Speaker 2>Please everybody understand this, Franklin. Yeah, her advocacy gave him

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<v Speaker 2>this like social and intellectual respectability that he couldn't get

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<v Speaker 2>all by himself. So now, like we do need to

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<v Speaker 2>know that her support was not unconditional. It's like, over

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<v Speaker 2>the years she got really frustrated because he couldn't produce

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<v Speaker 2>use like a commercially viable engine, and she would she'd

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<v Speaker 2>be like, what's going on here, pal, it's shaken and

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<v Speaker 2>making hold on, hold on, And he'd reassure her because

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<v Speaker 2>he's this crazy manipulator, and so he'd give her just

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<v Speaker 2>enough evidence of progress to calm her down. And it

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I'm he's always on the.

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<v Speaker 3>Verge of a I just need to attach a belt

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<v Speaker 3>to this.

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<v Speaker 2>And two weeks away. He's always two weeks away, and

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<v Speaker 2>then two weeks comes and goes.

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<v Speaker 3>Lather idea for a carburetor exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>So Keighley would demonstrate his fantastic machines to visitors, but

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<v Speaker 2>under these really controlled circumstances, and he never allowed independent

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<v Speaker 2>examination of the machinery while it was in operation. So

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<v Speaker 2>like visitors could watch, they could ask questions, they could

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<v Speaker 2>record what they were seeing. They you write it down,

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<v Speaker 2>but they couldn't open the devices. They couldn't like trace

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<v Speaker 2>the flow of all the pressures. Certainly couldn't conduct like

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<v Speaker 2>physical measurements of anything.

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<v Speaker 3>Proprietary of form.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, in essence, these people are going to the theater. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like they can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Do so it's like watching it a tom and On

0:17:05.800 --> 0:17:06.359
<v Speaker 3>played chess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, but it wasn't a bunch of rubes that he

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<v Speaker 2>led into the workshop.

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<v Speaker 3>I bet not.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like smart professional.

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<v Speaker 3>Engineers, engineers, I was guessing.

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<v Speaker 2>Physicians, journalists. So a lot of them came away totally convinced.

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<v Speaker 2>Some were like just really puzzled, confused. I mean it

0:17:22.400 --> 0:17:26.199
<v Speaker 2>looked like his stuff was functioning. Gauges showed pressures in

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<v Speaker 2>like thousands of pounds per square inch. There was this

0:17:29.119 --> 0:17:34.760
<v Speaker 2>large iron sphere that was like could reportedly restrain a

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<v Speaker 2>team of horses.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so he's generating enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the device called a globe motor that spun in

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<v Speaker 2>perpetual motion. Everything was really physically impressive.

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<v Speaker 3>So Jewels Verne level technology. It's a lot of yeah, exactly,

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<v Speaker 3>vacuum tubes, vacuum.

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<v Speaker 2>So the question that investigators like couldn't ever resolve was

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<v Speaker 2>the source of the energy driving this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's my question.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good question. Thank you for asking. So Keiley

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<v Speaker 2>had all these techniques to manage the skeptics. He would

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<v Speaker 2>refuse to operate the machines if the vibrations in the

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<v Speaker 2>room were quote inharmonious.

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<v Speaker 3>Vibes, A bobs ain't right in his vibes are off.

0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.280
<v Speaker 2>Shut down, vibes are off, same right, vibes are off.

0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:25.320
<v Speaker 2>He calls it off. Yes, So he limited his physical

0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.480
<v Speaker 2>proximity of the visitors to the machinery, and he would

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<v Speaker 2>do these like acts of telekinesis or like force transmission

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<v Speaker 2>using tuning forks and like strings.

0:18:37.760 --> 0:18:39.480
<v Speaker 3>Tuning forks are a while because you can pass a

0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.399
<v Speaker 3>vibration in the air. If you don't know, you're like,

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<v Speaker 3>how did he get so.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously there's a lot of trickery going on, but people

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<v Speaker 2>wanted it to be true. They wanted miracle and wonder. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So by the late eighteen seventies, the shareholders in the

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<v Speaker 2>motor company, they're getting impatient. He'd been promising commercial production

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<v Speaker 2>of the engine for years, years at this point, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but then nothing. Eighteen eighty one, a group of shareholders

0:19:02.680 --> 0:19:05.680
<v Speaker 2>brought legal action against him. They wanted to force either

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<v Speaker 2>production of a working engine or accounting of the invested funds.

0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:14.480
<v Speaker 2>And he was like, look, my discoveries are so delicate

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<v Speaker 2>and so sensitive to external vibrations that I can't demonstrate

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<v Speaker 2>them under adversarial conditions.

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<v Speaker 3>You guy, Yeah, there's my machines on there.

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<v Speaker 2>You're harshing my mellow. How do you argue against that?

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<v Speaker 3>So they're like, we want blueprints or receipts, and he's like, no, bro,

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<v Speaker 3>the auras are not right.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's take a break, go to commercial. When we come back,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to see how he plays this all out.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Cesarin, he vibes.

0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:04.840
<v Speaker 3>Loving vibes.

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<v Speaker 2>The vibes are not off.

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<v Speaker 3>Right now, I feel really good. We can keep going

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<v Speaker 3>back and forth and take.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kiley right by the end of eighteen eighty one,

0:20:13.400 --> 0:20:16.560
<v Speaker 2>his stockholders were over it. I bet they were done.

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<v Speaker 2>On December fourteenth, eighteen eighty one, they convened their annual

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<v Speaker 2>meeting and they formally read into the record this report

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<v Speaker 2>that outlined just how over it they were.

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<v Speaker 3>Because they formed the basically corporation, I got stockholders stockholder.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're like, we still have faith in the inventions,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's okay. I don't know why exactly, but guys,

0:20:38.320 --> 0:20:41.919
<v Speaker 2>we're irritated at how secretive this whole thing is and

0:20:41.960 --> 0:20:44.240
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing to show for all of our patients.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, this steampunk has given me nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>So steampunk. And another thing in the report was how

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<v Speaker 2>worried everyone was about what would happen if Keighley got

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<v Speaker 2>incapacitated or died.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, because nobody knows.

0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.800
<v Speaker 2>He has no assistance, no backup, no one can.

0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.479
<v Speaker 3>Look at anything legitimate concern.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the report made public what had previously just

0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:06.960
<v Speaker 2>been like whispers and private grumbles.

0:21:07.000 --> 0:21:10.800
<v Speaker 3>Basically a wizard pretty much you don't nobody spell.

0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>You know, you don't step to the wizard. So that

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<v Speaker 2>Keighley's secrecy was not the reasonable precaution of a careful inventor,

0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.360
<v Speaker 2>but like this deliberate strategy of a man who had

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<v Speaker 2>something to hide. So early January eighteen eighty two, the stockholders,

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:31.159
<v Speaker 2>they filed a bill of equity in Philadelphia's Cortacom and please,

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<v Speaker 2>they wanted a court order that would force Keighley to

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<v Speaker 2>disclose the principles and operating methods of his motors.

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<v Speaker 3>Show you son, yes, okay.

0:21:41.440 --> 0:21:46.199
<v Speaker 2>His response was immediate and totally on brand. It was

0:21:46.440 --> 0:21:51.119
<v Speaker 2>crazy technical in nature. Did not address the substantive merits

0:21:51.160 --> 0:21:55.159
<v Speaker 2>of their complaints. Instead, he just raised all these procedural

0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:59.560
<v Speaker 2>objections to the form and standing of the legal action itself.

0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:02.040
<v Speaker 2>And he had all these reasons why the court should

0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:04.960
<v Speaker 2>decline to grant the plaintiffs the relief they saw it.

0:22:05.119 --> 0:22:06.280
<v Speaker 3>The exciting patent laws.

0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, none of which engaged with the underlying question like

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<v Speaker 2>can you disclose your process?

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<v Speaker 3>And does this stuff work?

0:22:14.320 --> 0:22:17.679
<v Speaker 2>So it goes to court on April first, eighteen eighty two,

0:22:17.880 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 2>fitting a judge overruled his response issued an order directing

0:22:23.359 --> 0:22:26.520
<v Speaker 2>him to make known his process in the way that

0:22:26.640 --> 0:22:31.280
<v Speaker 2>was indicated in the bill filed by the Kieley Motor Company. Now,

0:22:31.280 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 2>the order did not specify in detail how the disclosure

0:22:34.520 --> 0:22:37.280
<v Speaker 2>was to be made. But it basically said, you have

0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:38.960
<v Speaker 2>to show how this motor works.

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<v Speaker 3>Let them fly, wheels fly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously a Kigley's in a bit of a jam. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>clearly he couldn't ignore the court order without risking contempt

0:22:47.560 --> 0:22:51.520
<v Speaker 2>of court, but he also couldn't expose his own fraud.

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<v Speaker 2>So in June of eighteen eighty two, a committee appointed

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<v Speaker 2>by the company's board reached an agreement that this guy

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<v Speaker 2>named William Bokel was going to be instructed by Keighley

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<v Speaker 2>in the construction and operation of the inventions.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, that's very fitting. About time.

0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:09.719
<v Speaker 2>Killey's got to teach Bocal how to do it.

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:10.679
<v Speaker 3>We need somebody to know.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the absolute most that Keihey would agree to.

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Just telling one guy.

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:16.720
<v Speaker 3>Sure, but if you're still a business partner, that seems reasonable.

0:23:16.760 --> 0:23:20.720
<v Speaker 2>It seems reasonable. So at the annual stockholders meeting December thirteenth,

0:23:20.760 --> 0:23:24.920
<v Speaker 2>eighteen eighty two, Bocal delivers his report on what he's

0:23:25.000 --> 0:23:30.439
<v Speaker 2>learned after months of instruction. And so the report is

0:23:30.480 --> 0:23:34.480
<v Speaker 2>like vague is all get out, And he described Keighley's

0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:38.119
<v Speaker 2>discovery as the fact that water in its natural state

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:43.679
<v Speaker 2>was capable of being by vibratory motion disintegrated so that

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:47.720
<v Speaker 2>its molecular structure was broken up, and that there was

0:23:47.960 --> 0:23:52.600
<v Speaker 2>evolved from this process a permanent expansive gas or ether

0:23:53.240 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 2>produced by mechanical actions.

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<v Speaker 3>Like excitory alchemy.

0:23:57.440 --> 0:24:01.640
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, he said it would be proper to describe

0:24:01.640 --> 0:24:06.000
<v Speaker 2>the specific mechanism used, and he declared that Keighley had

0:24:06.040 --> 0:24:07.600
<v Speaker 2>discovered all that he claimed.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he took his back.

0:24:09.520 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>He took his back.

0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 3>He's like he's shaking these water molecules. So they don't care.

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<v Speaker 2>If you did a close read as a report energy,

0:24:16.240 --> 0:24:19.840
<v Speaker 2>it says nothing like the report is just it paraphrases

0:24:20.000 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 2>what Keighley already says in his own language. Yeah, but

0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>there's no technical information that would let any other person

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:31.719
<v Speaker 2>replicate this or even go in and evaluate the process.

0:24:32.359 --> 0:24:35.280
<v Speaker 3>He doesn't outline like this. He goes to beg to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So the next year, this newspaper correspondent drops a

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.679
<v Speaker 2>bombshell Bocal had not in fact been entrusted with the

0:24:42.720 --> 0:24:46.480
<v Speaker 2>secrets of the motor at all. Despite the report. Keighley

0:24:46.600 --> 0:24:50.040
<v Speaker 2>told Bochel he could explain everything in less than two

0:24:50.119 --> 0:24:53.360
<v Speaker 2>hours after the engine was completed, and that he had

0:24:53.400 --> 0:24:56.639
<v Speaker 2>not done so yet, just because the engine was not

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:59.720
<v Speaker 2>yet complete. I'll explain it to you when the engine's done.

0:25:00.119 --> 0:25:01.800
<v Speaker 3>Engines. Sorry, it's not done.

0:25:01.840 --> 0:25:05.760
<v Speaker 2>It's only gonna take me two hours to explain this focus. Yeah,

0:25:06.160 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 2>and so he hadn't instructed vocal on all the inner

0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.920
<v Speaker 2>workings or let him even see it in action.

0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:13.240
<v Speaker 3>They picked a bad age.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So by the summer of eighteen eighty four, Kelley's

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.920
<v Speaker 2>situation was like precarious.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 3>Do you think he kind of like slipped him a

0:25:20.520 --> 0:25:22.600
<v Speaker 3>five and like, hey, go tell them, okay.

0:25:22.800 --> 0:25:24.320
<v Speaker 2>And I think he also was like.

0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.080
<v Speaker 3>Just dumb enough to believe him, yes, but smart enough

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:28.040
<v Speaker 3>to kind of understand.

0:25:28.200 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And I think that Keiley had just a way to

0:25:31.600 --> 0:25:34.719
<v Speaker 2>dance around people with scientific sounding language.

0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 3>People love promise. Look at Sam Altman.

0:25:36.800 --> 0:25:42.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so Keihey's reputation was like starting to be

0:25:42.280 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 2>in shambles. Okay, you know he had put off the

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:50.320
<v Speaker 2>machine too often the stockholders or like starting to turn

0:25:50.359 --> 0:25:53.800
<v Speaker 2>off the money tap totally no more funding. At a

0:25:53.840 --> 0:25:56.720
<v Speaker 2>board meeting March eighteen eighty four, He's like, guess what, guys,

0:25:56.760 --> 0:26:01.760
<v Speaker 2>the vibratory engines finished. Good news. Yeah, I got it.

0:26:01.760 --> 0:26:03.919
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, so this is in March. She's like,

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:08.159
<v Speaker 2>I will demonstrate it on or before April tenth. April

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 2>tenth came went okay, no, no vibratory engine display. And

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:18.000
<v Speaker 2>so when in doubt, shift gears get a new gadget

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 2>to sell to a new audience.

0:26:19.840 --> 0:26:21.359
<v Speaker 3>Ah, so the Zuckerberg model.

0:26:21.640 --> 0:26:25.159
<v Speaker 2>He stepped away. He stepped away from the engine and

0:26:25.240 --> 0:26:27.800
<v Speaker 2>the motor company. He had a new invention. What is it,

0:26:27.960 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 2>the the poric gun vaporic gun.

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:32.440
<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's going to do like a gas gun.

0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:35.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This was a weapon that he claimed was powered

0:26:36.000 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 2>by the same etheric or vaporic force that drove his

0:26:40.800 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 2>motor And this time he wasn't looking to the public

0:26:44.600 --> 0:26:47.120
<v Speaker 2>for money. Of course, he went to the government instead.

0:26:47.280 --> 0:26:51.959
<v Speaker 3>Oh what year are we ineen four? Okay?

0:26:52.080 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 2>So the army in this time period, early eighteen eighties,

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>they wanted new weapons technology.

0:26:57.160 --> 0:26:58.679
<v Speaker 3>So I was just wondering, are we getting ready for

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.199
<v Speaker 3>a war? But not quite? But they're like, let's just

0:27:01.280 --> 0:27:02.000
<v Speaker 3>on the horizon.

0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Why not.

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.320
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna be a strong power. We need.

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Me these. So he figured like if he could show

0:27:09.080 --> 0:27:12.800
<v Speaker 2>government officials this crazy new gun, get them on board,

0:27:13.080 --> 0:27:16.000
<v Speaker 2>it'd be great publicity. For him totally, and maybe he

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.040
<v Speaker 2>gets some of these sweet government contracts.

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.400
<v Speaker 3>Being a defense contractor looks like a real good gig.

0:27:20.560 --> 0:27:22.520
<v Speaker 2>It's they make, They make a whole lot.

0:27:22.400 --> 0:27:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Of and it's a low bar to like convince these

0:27:24.520 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 3>people you know what we need.

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.200
<v Speaker 2>You know we need, and they're always just like, yeah,

0:27:27.720 --> 0:27:40.080
<v Speaker 2>throw money, Zaron. Yes, I want you to picture it.

0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:43.960
<v Speaker 2>It's September twentieth, eighteen eighty four. You are sitting on

0:27:44.040 --> 0:27:47.520
<v Speaker 2>bleachers under a warm autumn, cloudless sky at the US

0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Army proving Ground at Sandy Hook, New Jersey. Your wool

0:27:51.320 --> 0:27:54.800
<v Speaker 2>uniform soaks up the sun, but you remain cool and calm.

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:59.159
<v Speaker 2>That's just who you are. You are Lieutenant Edmund L. Zelensky.

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:02.879
<v Speaker 2>All around you on the bleachers are other military higher

0:28:02.960 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 2>ups and weapons experts. You are a United States Army

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:12.120
<v Speaker 2>military engineer of considerable distinction. Your current project is developing

0:28:12.200 --> 0:28:15.840
<v Speaker 2>a pneumatic dynamite gun for the Army's use. And today

0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.160
<v Speaker 2>you're waiting to observe a demonstration by some character named

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:23.040
<v Speaker 2>John Ernst Worrell Keeley. He stands on the bare ground

0:28:23.119 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>before you, prepping his presentation. He has with him five

0:28:26.720 --> 0:28:31.159
<v Speaker 2>gallons of what he described as veporic force contained in

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.760
<v Speaker 2>a receiver. His claim is that this quantity of stored

0:28:34.800 --> 0:28:38.120
<v Speaker 2>force would be sufficient to fire a high caliber weapon.

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:41.480
<v Speaker 2>He moves a large metal container and sets up what

0:28:41.560 --> 0:28:44.360
<v Speaker 2>looks like a tiny cannon. The gun itself is a

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:47.520
<v Speaker 2>small weapon. The bore is just one and a quarter inches.

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.920
<v Speaker 2>Connected to it is an iron wire tube three sixteenths

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of an inch in diameter, leading to an iron receiver

0:28:55.080 --> 0:28:59.040
<v Speaker 2>four and a half feet long, containing the alleged viporic force.

0:28:59.760 --> 0:29:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Look the setup and think to yourself that it looks

0:29:02.040 --> 0:29:06.480
<v Speaker 2>an awful lot like an ordinary compressed air gun, not

0:29:06.640 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>some revolutionary physics defying super weapon. Kihi loads the gun

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.240
<v Speaker 2>by ramming a small lead ball into the muzzle. He

0:29:14.320 --> 0:29:17.680
<v Speaker 2>then taps the iron receiver with a hammer. He turns

0:29:17.720 --> 0:29:20.560
<v Speaker 2>to the crowd and explains that this action was necessary

0:29:20.920 --> 0:29:27.040
<v Speaker 2>to stimulate the vibratory force within it. Vibratory force such nonsense,

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:30.320
<v Speaker 2>You think, why that hammer tap is nothing more than

0:29:30.360 --> 0:29:34.480
<v Speaker 2>a piece of theater, you grumble. Kihi then turns a handle.

0:29:34.760 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 2>The ball is fired from the gun with a short,

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 2>sharp report and minimal recoil, and notably, you see no

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 2>powder smoke. He goes through the process and fires again.

0:29:45.880 --> 0:29:48.160
<v Speaker 2>A man at a table with a clipboard full of

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:51.840
<v Speaker 2>papers scribbles notes and then announces a velocity of four

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.120
<v Speaker 2>hundred and eighty two feet per second. Kiley fires the

0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>weapon again, this time a target consisting of three spruce planks,

0:30:00.040 --> 0:30:03.760
<v Speaker 2>each three inches thick. The ball penetrates the purse plank

0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 2>and goes halfway through the second. Keighley announces to the

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.480
<v Speaker 2>gathered group that he has used a pressure of seven

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:14.320
<v Speaker 2>thousand pounds per square inch for these demonstrations, and that

0:30:14.360 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 2>he could employ thirty thousand pounds per square inch if

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 2>he wanted to. You are thoroughly familiar with the properties

0:30:21.720 --> 0:30:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and behavior of compressed air as a propulsive force. You

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:30.720
<v Speaker 2>think the aport gun bears a suspicious and unmistakable resemblance

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>to compressed air weapons with which you are already familiar.

0:30:35.320 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 2>The speed, the lack of smoke and recoil, the use

0:30:38.720 --> 0:30:41.840
<v Speaker 2>of a pressure vessel connected to a firing chamber by

0:30:41.880 --> 0:30:46.080
<v Speaker 2>a tube. That's simple compressed air. There's nothing mysterious, and

0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.880
<v Speaker 2>certainly nothing new. You turn to the man sitting beside you,

0:30:50.240 --> 0:30:55.360
<v Speaker 2>aar Edy, the president of the Kihlei Motor Company. You

0:30:55.440 --> 0:30:59.360
<v Speaker 2>could replicate everything Keighley had shown and go further. You

0:30:59.440 --> 0:31:02.240
<v Speaker 2>tell him, he tells you, he'll speak about it to

0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.800
<v Speaker 2>mister Keeley. No need for you to demonstrate, you huff,

0:31:06.360 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>no wonder all you suckers are all going broke. So

0:31:11.480 --> 0:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>the day after the Sandy Hook demonstration, Keihley met with

0:31:15.800 --> 0:31:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a reporter from the New York Times and declared that

0:31:19.120 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 2>his experimenting days were over and that complete success was

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:25.440
<v Speaker 2>now close at hand. Like, I don't need to keep

0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 2>tinkering on this, I'm done. He was, like that motor,

0:31:28.880 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 2>Remember the motor. It's going to be done in less

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>than two months. So he bumped it out.

0:31:33.440 --> 0:31:35.800
<v Speaker 3>Not the two weeks too much, It's going to be

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 3>a two.

0:31:36.280 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 2>Then I'm gonna give a whole exhibition of its massive.

0:31:39.440 --> 0:31:42.480
<v Speaker 3>How like Tony Stark over here, the same old.

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:46.120
<v Speaker 2>Song and dance. So Lieutenant Zelenski's interest in Keeley didn't

0:31:46.240 --> 0:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>end at Sandy Hook. So November eighteen eighty four he

0:31:49.880 --> 0:31:52.920
<v Speaker 2>attended just like the next month, he attends a demonstration

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:57.280
<v Speaker 2>at Keihey's workshop in Philadelphia. And during the show, Zelensky

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 2>saw this large reservoir that kee should to his guests,

0:32:01.160 --> 0:32:04.440
<v Speaker 2>and so he made a suggestion he thought that if

0:32:04.520 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 2>Keighley's generator truly produced force from water, as he claimed

0:32:09.680 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 2>that the complete and convincing test would be to discharge

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>the reservoir entirely and then recharge it using the generator.

0:32:18.840 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>With Zelensky watching. This was a closed cycle demonstration of

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>if this is supposed to be an over unity device,

0:32:26.440 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 2>this is exactly what would be able to prove it up.

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:34.440
<v Speaker 2>Yea exhibition of it was like big no, and he

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.000
<v Speaker 2>was like, you know, if we recharging the reservoir is

0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 2>going to take two hours, who has two hours in

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:42.720
<v Speaker 2>their life? And like, even though he had been saying

0:32:42.760 --> 0:32:45.280
<v Speaker 2>over and over that he could produce large quantities of

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:49.320
<v Speaker 2>force in a matter of seconds, so he also offered

0:32:49.360 --> 0:32:53.480
<v Speaker 2>the explanation that the reservoir had been carefully negatized. Oh,

0:32:53.560 --> 0:32:55.040
<v Speaker 2>a term that means nothing.

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 3>So he's like, instead of saying calibrated, he's like, it's been.

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:02.360
<v Speaker 2>I can't discharge it all right if you're.

0:33:02.200 --> 0:33:04.280
<v Speaker 3>A pneumatic whatever dynamite gun.

0:33:04.400 --> 0:33:07.959
<v Speaker 2>So Kiley, he's also in this demonstration, he says that

0:33:08.000 --> 0:33:11.360
<v Speaker 2>he's achieved pressures of fifty thousand pounds per square inch

0:33:12.360 --> 0:33:15.000
<v Speaker 2>and that it was so much that it broke all

0:33:15.040 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 2>his pressure gage. He's like, oh yeah, but he brought

0:33:21.080 --> 0:33:23.920
<v Speaker 2>with him a calibrated pressure gauge that could register up

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>to ten thousand pounds per square inch. He's like, here,

0:33:27.200 --> 0:33:33.120
<v Speaker 2>you use this, try and break it. And he knew, like, okay,

0:33:33.280 --> 0:33:36.040
<v Speaker 2>we can. We can disprove all this pressure stuff right here.

0:33:36.400 --> 0:33:39.479
<v Speaker 2>If he declines, like, we're going to expose him. So

0:33:39.600 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Keiley pauses and he's like for a second, He's like,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>you can tell his say. Then he comes up with

0:33:45.680 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>this response that became one of the most quoted lines

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:51.960
<v Speaker 2>of his career. He told Zelinsky that he did not

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:56.320
<v Speaker 2>believe in pressure gauges anyway.

0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I don't trust a rule.

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Takes science, you know. So it's on June sixth, eighteen

0:34:05.320 --> 0:34:09.040
<v Speaker 2>eighty five. Kiley Stage is another exhibition at the workshop.

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 2>This time he's got twenty people, including newspaper reporters, a

0:34:13.480 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 2>mechanical engineer, officers, stockholders from Kiley Motors. For this one,

0:34:19.920 --> 0:34:24.720
<v Speaker 2>he puts together this like crazy apparatus that was mostly

0:34:24.760 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 2>just visually complex.

0:34:26.239 --> 0:34:28.480
<v Speaker 3>So really a steampunk stuff. It's like a lot of

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.720
<v Speaker 3>copper coil, a lot of wires.

0:34:32.640 --> 0:34:36.719
<v Speaker 2>So at the centerpiece is a globe fitted with all

0:34:36.760 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 2>these apertures from which tubes ran to cylinders. Yeah, a

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:44.200
<v Speaker 2>lot of globe was on top of a structure that

0:34:44.320 --> 0:34:49.200
<v Speaker 2>also incorporated two large tuning forks and a latticed framework

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:53.160
<v Speaker 2>of rods and rings, described by observers as looking like

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 2>a big old bird cage. There were more tuning forks,

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.760
<v Speaker 2>more rings that contain steel wires projecting out of their centers,

0:35:01.800 --> 0:35:02.840
<v Speaker 2>all these other weirds.

0:35:02.880 --> 0:35:04.200
<v Speaker 3>Is like vibratory collection.

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:08.320
<v Speaker 2>Yes, all these attachments. The structural function of the bird

0:35:08.400 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 2>cage was, as a New York Times reporter would later note,

0:35:12.080 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 2>to attract the eye and the attention of observers toward

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>the musical apparatus and away from the globe and cylinders,

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:23.520
<v Speaker 2>which were the components actually connected to the concealed power source.

0:35:24.040 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 2>So he's like, don't look at this ugly old engine,

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>Look at this crazy steampunk.

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Look at this sculpture burning man. Ready.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So when a reporter asked whether he could examine

0:35:34.280 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 2>the contents of the globe, Key was like, no, no,

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:40.080
<v Speaker 2>your vibes are bad. He's like, it'll take too long.

0:35:40.280 --> 0:35:41.960
<v Speaker 2>I want to show this, Like you're what are you

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:43.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to stall me here?

0:35:44.560 --> 0:35:46.760
<v Speaker 3>Like sabotage, sabotage. What are you doing here?

0:35:47.040 --> 0:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Elon musk of it all is so out of control.

0:35:50.000 --> 0:35:54.200
<v Speaker 2>So Keighley started the demonstration by rubbing a greased violin

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:56.600
<v Speaker 2>bow across one of the tuning forks.

0:35:56.680 --> 0:36:03.400
<v Speaker 3>Okay, and the vibration like, listen to that tune. You

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 3>can hear the distribution of the vibe.

0:36:05.160 --> 0:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>It looks impressive. Then he made like little adjustments. He

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:11.040
<v Speaker 2>opened up a stopcock that was leading to one of

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:14.160
<v Speaker 2>the cylinders. And when he did that, the witness has

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:16.959
<v Speaker 2>heard what was described as a hiss of escaping air,

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 2>and then they're kind of like huh, And he immediately

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:23.359
<v Speaker 2>talks and he's like, oh, what you heard wasn't compressed air.

0:36:24.320 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>That was etheric vapor, and it's a force without material nature.

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Guys, don't get hung up.

0:36:30.920 --> 0:36:33.919
<v Speaker 2>It's whatever you do. Don't believe that it's compressed air.

0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>And so the distinction he was drawing was between a

0:36:37.400 --> 0:36:41.920
<v Speaker 2>real gas, which would have weight, chemical properties, behavior describable

0:36:41.960 --> 0:36:46.239
<v Speaker 2>by physical laws. And then his alleged etheric vapor is

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.920
<v Speaker 2>free energy had none of that. Yeah, because he's saying

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:51.680
<v Speaker 2>it's pure force rather than matter.

0:36:51.800 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 3>It's pure energy. He's dissolved the chemical bonds structure. It's

0:36:56.239 --> 0:36:58.759
<v Speaker 3>now just oscillating in and out of the ether.

0:36:59.040 --> 0:37:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Yes, And he's like, you know, once I released this

0:37:01.560 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>through the stopcock, it's going to go to these weights,

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.600
<v Speaker 2>which it did, and he's like, now they are at

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:11.160
<v Speaker 2>approximately twenty two thousand pounds per square inch of pressure,

0:37:11.320 --> 0:37:15.560
<v Speaker 2>all at my disposal, and like there are no pressure measurements,

0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 2>because he was like, gages are for suckers, and so

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:18.960
<v Speaker 2>everyone's just like.

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:20.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's craztastic.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 2>And so the second part of the demonstration involved a

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 2>rotating iron globe that was like suspended on this axle

0:37:28.560 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 2>and connected by pulley and belting to a small bandsaw,

0:37:32.840 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>and the globe is set in motion, the saw starts up,

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:38.920
<v Speaker 2>it cuts through several inches of planking and so like

0:37:39.400 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 2>non scientists were like, that's crazy, that's pretty impressive.

0:37:43.080 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 3>It's an engine and.

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:47.759
<v Speaker 2>But it but then the Times reporter noted, there's like

0:37:47.800 --> 0:37:52.560
<v Speaker 2>a big limitation here. So the period during which any

0:37:52.640 --> 0:37:56.560
<v Speaker 2>actual work was performed and he sawing, including both the

0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:59.840
<v Speaker 2>weightlifting and a sawing, was like twenty minutes in total,

0:38:00.560 --> 0:38:03.240
<v Speaker 2>and that was within a session that took up three

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:07.239
<v Speaker 2>and a half hours of set up, adjustment, explanation, fussing.

0:38:07.880 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 2>But an ordinary small gas engine would have cut through

0:38:10.680 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that wood like butter in those twenty minutes.

0:38:13.080 --> 0:38:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Diesel has already shown them.

0:38:14.480 --> 0:38:17.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, look so, And twenty two thousand pounds per square

0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:22.240
<v Speaker 2>inch should have been capable of way more mechanical output

0:38:22.320 --> 0:38:25.279
<v Speaker 2>than cutting through a couple pieces of wood. So all

0:38:25.320 --> 0:38:28.400
<v Speaker 2>the audience got was basically a spinning globe cutting a

0:38:28.400 --> 0:38:30.919
<v Speaker 2>little piece of wood over less than half an hour,

0:38:31.000 --> 0:38:33.200
<v Speaker 2>scattered across a three and a half hour performance.

0:38:33.400 --> 0:38:34.839
<v Speaker 3>I hope they got like refreshments.

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 2>I know, I hope so too. Okay, so I'm going

0:38:37.480 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 2>to take a pause here when we come back refreshments,

0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:43.160
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna stick with this demonstration.

0:38:43.320 --> 0:38:44.359
<v Speaker 3>I got to see where this goes.

0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 2>So we're back in the in the lab. We're in

0:39:07.640 --> 0:39:08.360
<v Speaker 2>the workshop.

0:39:09.200 --> 0:39:13.880
<v Speaker 3>This is so smacking of our modern AI and whatever

0:39:13.920 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 3>we are Internet three point zero four point h I

0:39:15.880 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 3>don't know if I've lost track, but the whole musk like, oh,

0:39:19.080 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 3>welcome to the also Zuckerberg's welcome to the metaverse. No,

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:23.880
<v Speaker 3>you ignore the metaverse now, it's about AI, you know,

0:39:24.000 --> 0:39:26.359
<v Speaker 3>like it's all these guys. Just keep it moving here's

0:39:26.400 --> 0:39:29.600
<v Speaker 3>the new thing. Does it do anything anybody wants? Nobody

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 3>was about to next week, could.

0:39:32.320 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>If it wanted to. So we just saw the band

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 2>saw that took for a weightlifting Okay, so we had

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:41.799
<v Speaker 2>that rotating globe. That's what Kelly was calling the engine.

0:39:42.160 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 2>It was like stopped and started a bunch of times

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 2>during the demonstration. The Times reporter was like, you know,

0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:52.160
<v Speaker 2>it looks like the globe seems to operate on like

0:39:52.400 --> 0:39:56.439
<v Speaker 2>a compressed material that's depleting. This isn't one of those,

0:39:57.280 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, perpetual motion machines. He's like, how about you

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:04.120
<v Speaker 2>run this thing continuously for half an hour without interruption.

0:40:04.320 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 2>Don't touch it and don't attach the bandsaw or anything

0:40:07.160 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>else to it. Just let it rotate. That'd be cool.

0:40:10.120 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>And so the reporters being clever, there's minimal friction. It

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:20.840
<v Speaker 2>requires little power to rotate. If the force was available

0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:24.200
<v Speaker 2>was as abundant as Keiley said it was, then it

0:40:24.239 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>should you know, there should be no problems. It's in

0:40:26.719 --> 0:40:30.200
<v Speaker 2>that thing for thirty minutes, thirty hours. So the stockholders

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:32.560
<v Speaker 2>in the audience they got a little worried about it.

0:40:33.280 --> 0:40:35.719
<v Speaker 2>But Keiley's like, okay, yeah, we'll do it well. I

0:40:35.800 --> 0:40:37.719
<v Speaker 2>think they thought, well, if he doesn't agree, and then

0:40:37.760 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 2>they put it in the paper. So the globe rotated

0:40:41.560 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 2>for twelve minutes a little over that and then and

0:40:45.440 --> 0:40:49.480
<v Speaker 2>kept consistently slowing, and then Kelley reached out and stopped

0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.040
<v Speaker 2>it before it petered out in front of everybody. Because

0:40:52.080 --> 0:40:55.200
<v Speaker 2>like the power source was finite, it was probably conpressed

0:40:55.200 --> 0:41:00.600
<v Speaker 2>gas like a genuine etheric vapor generator. It used force

0:41:00.640 --> 0:41:03.400
<v Speaker 2>from water and airs claimed would have only grown in

0:41:03.480 --> 0:41:05.719
<v Speaker 2>capacity the way he had been trying to describe it.

0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.160
<v Speaker 3>He has like a balloon pushing like a you know,

0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:12.920
<v Speaker 3>like a radial mill, you know, yes, and it's running out.

0:41:12.960 --> 0:41:16.880
<v Speaker 2>It's running out exactly. So the mechanical engineer who attended

0:41:16.880 --> 0:41:20.719
<v Speaker 2>that demonstration made his opinion available to the reporter for

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:23.040
<v Speaker 2>the Times. He was straight up, He's like, this is

0:41:23.080 --> 0:41:27.600
<v Speaker 2>a fraud. So his professional judgment, based on familiarity with

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:32.160
<v Speaker 2>machinery and pressure systems, matched what Lieutenant Zelensky had reached.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:37.120
<v Speaker 2>He was like, this is compressed air. It's so inconsistent

0:41:37.520 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 2>with this force that he claims to have discovered.

0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:41.120
<v Speaker 3>This is literally hot air.

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Stockholders and company officers, though they loved the demonstration, they

0:41:45.080 --> 0:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>applauded at the end. I mean they weren't stupid people.

0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.879
<v Speaker 2>These are like businessmen, investors. They had put so much

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:52.800
<v Speaker 2>money into.

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.640
<v Speaker 3>It, and that's what it costs fallacy.

0:41:54.680 --> 0:41:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's what colored their need for it to succeed.

0:41:57.760 --> 0:42:00.959
<v Speaker 2>So the applause was the applause of people for whom

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:04.080
<v Speaker 2>the alternative to being impressed was just like, you can't.

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:05.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to even think about that.

0:42:05.719 --> 0:42:07.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it is too much. And also it's like the

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:10.960
<v Speaker 3>parents when like their child doesn't mess up the lines

0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:11.800
<v Speaker 3>in the school play.

0:42:11.880 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's crillian. I love the end of the New

0:42:16.719 --> 0:42:19.320
<v Speaker 2>York Times article about this whole debacle. I'm going to

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:22.560
<v Speaker 2>read it to you. Quote. Before the party dispersed, there

0:42:22.640 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>came in a reporter who, having fallen sick while the

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>trials were in progress, had not been able to follow

0:42:28.480 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the drift of them. He applied to Keighley to have

0:42:31.480 --> 0:42:36.160
<v Speaker 2>the thing explained to him, and Keighley answered, quote, it

0:42:36.239 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 2>is an elaboration of interatomic ether by vibration. The atomic

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:46.359
<v Speaker 2>ether vibrates all around the molecules of matter. There is

0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:49.200
<v Speaker 2>a magnetic force attached to it at the same time,

0:42:49.280 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 2>and it assimilates with the molecular atomic aggregations that is,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:58.120
<v Speaker 2>assimilates with a certain attractive force that is hard to

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.840
<v Speaker 2>tell what it is. I call it vibratory negative. It

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 2>does not act like a magnet draws metal toward it.

0:43:05.360 --> 0:43:09.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a certain magnetic effect about it that causes it

0:43:09.280 --> 0:43:13.800
<v Speaker 2>to adhere by vibratory rotation to different forms of matter,

0:43:13.960 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>that is, the molecular atomic etheric and ether etheric. The

0:43:20.239 --> 0:43:24.080
<v Speaker 2>impulse is given by metallic impulses, the rotary power that

0:43:24.239 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 2>is formed by ethereal vibration, that is, that is the

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>force that holds it in position. And the reporter went

0:43:31.600 --> 0:43:34.600
<v Speaker 2>his way wondering, quote.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:36.759
<v Speaker 3>There was so many words. He's basically saying, it's zero

0:43:36.800 --> 0:43:40.520
<v Speaker 3>point energy. But ether magnets.

0:43:39.760 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Sounds so much like when Elon Musk bss his way

0:43:44.040 --> 0:43:48.600
<v Speaker 2>through an interview about space or Grock or.

0:43:48.360 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Why we should be on Mars and going to get

0:43:50.200 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 3>us there, or like how in the future economy it's

0:43:53.080 --> 0:43:55.720
<v Speaker 3>going to be so abundant, nobody's gonna have to do anything.

0:43:57.480 --> 0:43:57.920
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna have.

0:43:58.440 --> 0:44:02.400
<v Speaker 2>There's there's elements that he like, you know, with power

0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and energy and like you know, all these things in

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.160
<v Speaker 2>space that he doesn't take into account.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.719
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, Well, like when you want to have the

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 3>data centers like in space, You're like, well, what about

0:44:13.680 --> 0:44:16.719
<v Speaker 3>the heat? Yes, you can't dissipate the heat. He's like,

0:44:16.800 --> 0:44:18.480
<v Speaker 3>oh you can't. They can come up with a heat sinc.

0:44:18.560 --> 0:44:20.759
<v Speaker 3>That will work on it, Like am I, and he does.

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:22.360
<v Speaker 3>This's going to be in the ether.

0:44:22.560 --> 0:44:27.200
<v Speaker 2>It's in the ether. So he's a con man of science. Keeley,

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh him, but he and he's about to get his

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.120
<v Speaker 2>at least a little bit. In eighteen eighty eight, a

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:39.120
<v Speaker 2>former business partner named Bennett Wilson sued him. He said

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>that back in eighteen sixty three he fronted Keeley's original

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.880
<v Speaker 2>efforts at making the signature Vibe motor okay, and Keighley

0:44:47.040 --> 0:44:48.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, yeah, you know what, I'll cut you in.

0:44:49.080 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Keeley had not, and so Wilson wanted the court to

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 2>make Keeley show all the parts and processes in the motor.

0:44:56.320 --> 0:44:58.640
<v Speaker 2>So we're doing this again, like going to court, like

0:44:58.760 --> 0:45:00.040
<v Speaker 2>show us how this works.

0:45:00.120 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 3>Does he have patents at this point?

0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 2>No, he wants research, schematics, prove it all up that

0:45:06.960 --> 0:45:09.359
<v Speaker 2>this is what Wilson was in on back of the day.

0:45:09.680 --> 0:45:13.520
<v Speaker 2>He wants full disclosure Keighley stalled the inspection over and

0:45:13.560 --> 0:45:16.360
<v Speaker 2>over and avoided it completely and then gets found in

0:45:16.440 --> 0:45:20.839
<v Speaker 2>contempt of court. So he refused to disclose the principles

0:45:21.520 --> 0:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>underlying the machine. So they sent him to uh moyementcing

0:45:26.320 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>prison in Philadelphia.

0:45:27.600 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Got himself lockdown.

0:45:29.200 --> 0:45:31.080
<v Speaker 2>He was only there for a couple of days because

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>then missus Bloomfield More remember her, and then other supporters

0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 2>they rallied to his defense. They sprung him out. There

0:45:38.120 --> 0:45:40.960
<v Speaker 2>was also the problem that the court didn't have a

0:45:41.000 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>clear mechanism to compel a man to explain a physical

0:45:45.400 --> 0:45:48.839
<v Speaker 2>principle he claimed to understand only intuitively.

0:45:50.160 --> 0:45:53.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, but that was Can you try writing it down?

0:45:54.160 --> 0:45:55.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? But no, but has you got a field?

0:45:57.920 --> 0:45:59.439
<v Speaker 3>How do I write down? In Oora and.

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Keiley, he saw his imprisonment as like this martyrdom o god,

0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:06.759
<v Speaker 2>and it was evidence that he is a visionary and

0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 2>he's being persecuted by those who have too small of

0:46:09.600 --> 0:46:12.520
<v Speaker 2>a brain. You don't understand my genius.

0:46:12.600 --> 0:46:14.520
<v Speaker 3>I'm the future and people are troggling.

0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 2>So bloomfield More, She's like, yes, he's a martyr. She

0:46:19.239 --> 0:46:22.320
<v Speaker 2>looked for support, so she reached out to Thomas Edison

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and Nicola Tesla's.

0:46:23.840 --> 0:46:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Oh god, both of them would hate this.

0:46:26.320 --> 0:46:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Well, They're like, please come and examine his inventions, and

0:46:31.120 --> 0:46:33.400
<v Speaker 2>both of them were like, uh, we're going to pass.

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:37.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah hard no interesting, I want no association in a

0:46:37.560 --> 0:46:38.520
<v Speaker 3>news story with him.

0:46:38.640 --> 0:46:42.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's like, you know, I'm busy, I'm I'm would

0:46:42.520 --> 0:46:45.960
<v Speaker 2>have been something else on my schedule. So if they

0:46:45.960 --> 0:46:48.279
<v Speaker 2>couldn't get scientific support, at least they could try and

0:46:48.320 --> 0:46:51.680
<v Speaker 2>get money. So Bloomfield Moore took Keighley and went to

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:54.719
<v Speaker 2>New York and they met No, they met with none

0:46:54.719 --> 0:46:56.839
<v Speaker 2>other than John Jacob Astor the four.

0:46:57.000 --> 0:46:57.839
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, there you go.

0:46:57.880 --> 0:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Get to a Robert Barres, ultimate wealthy saw one of

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.080
<v Speaker 2>a major moneyed family. He was at one time the

0:47:03.160 --> 0:47:05.360
<v Speaker 2>richest man in the world, and then he died in

0:47:05.400 --> 0:47:09.000
<v Speaker 2>the sinking of the Titanic. Oops oopsie. But before that happened,

0:47:09.320 --> 0:47:11.160
<v Speaker 2>he bought into the Kili Motor Company.

0:47:11.200 --> 0:47:13.440
<v Speaker 3>If I'm not mistaken, he actually did do a decent

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:15.440
<v Speaker 3>thing when he died on the Titanic, where he like

0:47:15.520 --> 0:47:18.120
<v Speaker 3>let other people go if I remember correctly, and he

0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:20.200
<v Speaker 3>wanted to stay behind. You know, he was saying, I'm

0:47:20.200 --> 0:47:21.760
<v Speaker 3>not going to let it be said that an Astor

0:47:22.160 --> 0:47:23.959
<v Speaker 3>shot the spot of a woman or a child.

0:47:24.120 --> 0:47:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, remember, don't let me, you know, slam to him.

0:47:28.040 --> 0:47:30.920
<v Speaker 2>So like he gets this new infusion of cash. They

0:47:30.920 --> 0:47:35.239
<v Speaker 2>are all these phony demonstrations and pitches to follow. His

0:47:35.320 --> 0:47:38.360
<v Speaker 2>supporters went to bat for him over and over and over,

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:42.399
<v Speaker 2>but they were growing weary. Even Bloomfield more she got

0:47:42.440 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 2>tired of the stalling and the refusals for inspection. She

0:47:45.560 --> 0:47:48.480
<v Speaker 2>didn't cut him off, though, she just like reduced his

0:47:48.560 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 2>monthly stipend.

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.600
<v Speaker 3>He was too tall to cut off. I think I

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:53.640
<v Speaker 3>wanted to work.

0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:58.040
<v Speaker 2>So by the eighteen nineties he had pretty much abandoned

0:47:58.080 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the language of hydraulic and moved into a more explicitly

0:48:02.760 --> 0:48:08.680
<v Speaker 2>mystical realm. He talked about quote sympathetic vibratory physics, and

0:48:08.760 --> 0:48:14.160
<v Speaker 2>he described a theoretical universe of interconnected resonances that drew

0:48:14.200 --> 0:48:21.000
<v Speaker 2>on Pythagorean, harmonic, Hindu mystical thought and the writings of theosophist.

0:48:23.120 --> 0:48:26.839
<v Speaker 3>And also because spiritualism that's also be a backdrop right

0:48:26.880 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 3>this time.

0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:29.319
<v Speaker 2>So this was but this was on purpose because he

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:34.920
<v Speaker 2>found that the theosophical movement of the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties,

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:38.520
<v Speaker 2>they were ready to accept the existence of hidden forces

0:48:39.480 --> 0:48:40.920
<v Speaker 2>unknown conventional science.

0:48:41.000 --> 0:48:43.799
<v Speaker 3>So they were big into that they were early WU.

0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Right, So what is this theosophical movement? It was the

0:48:48.360 --> 0:48:52.120
<v Speaker 2>Theosophical Society was founded in New York in eighteen seventy

0:48:52.160 --> 0:48:58.840
<v Speaker 2>five by Helena Petrovna Blovotsky, Russian born occultist mystic, and

0:48:58.880 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 2>then as well Henry Steel all caught. He was an

0:49:01.480 --> 0:49:05.279
<v Speaker 2>American lawyer and journalist. So their central claim was that

0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:09.719
<v Speaker 2>beneath the surface of all the world's religious traditions was

0:49:10.040 --> 0:49:15.880
<v Speaker 2>just a single, universal, ancient wisdom. Theosophists called it the

0:49:16.080 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 2>quote perennial philosophy or the ancient wisdom tradition. So Blavotsky

0:49:21.360 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>argued that this hidden knowledge had been preserved across millennia

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:29.520
<v Speaker 2>by a brotherhood of advanced spiritual masters who she called

0:49:29.800 --> 0:49:33.080
<v Speaker 2>Mahatmas or masters, and they all live pretty much in Tibet,

0:49:33.920 --> 0:49:38.960
<v Speaker 2>and she said that she's like, I write directly to

0:49:39.080 --> 0:49:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the Guide my writings. So theosophy drew eclectically on Hinduism, Buddhism,

0:49:47.640 --> 0:49:57.839
<v Speaker 2>uh Neo Platonism, her Meticism, basically Western esoteric. So they

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.760
<v Speaker 2>blended all these together into a system that put forward

0:50:00.840 --> 0:50:06.280
<v Speaker 2>the existence of hidden laws of nature inaccessible to materialist science,

0:50:07.280 --> 0:50:11.080
<v Speaker 2>and the spiritual evolution of the soul, all these reincarnations

0:50:11.120 --> 0:50:12.560
<v Speaker 2>a cosmic hierarchy.

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:14.880
<v Speaker 3>Oh my god.

0:50:15.000 --> 0:50:17.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think maybe we should like get in on

0:50:17.640 --> 0:50:20.319
<v Speaker 2>it and sell her on it, because that's like a

0:50:20.480 --> 0:50:23.799
<v Speaker 2>less poisonous doctor philosophy.

0:50:24.120 --> 0:50:25.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, let's do it. Bring it.

0:50:27.040 --> 0:50:30.600
<v Speaker 2>So this spread like huge in the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties,

0:50:30.960 --> 0:50:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and there was incredible membership. Intellectuals are seekers, people who

0:50:37.200 --> 0:50:40.839
<v Speaker 2>were dissatisfied with like orthodox Christianity and then also the

0:50:40.880 --> 0:50:43.440
<v Speaker 2>hard materialism of contemporary science.

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:45.840
<v Speaker 3>You can still find it today. I have friends who

0:50:46.040 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 3>have like you know, used it or adjacent or inspired

0:50:49.080 --> 0:50:49.879
<v Speaker 3>by Yeah.

0:50:49.960 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well it was you know where it had it

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.880
<v Speaker 2>took a foothold, was in Ireland, and it shaped the

0:50:54.920 --> 0:51:00.640
<v Speaker 2>mystical interests of W. B. Yates Whiting that. Yeah, So

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:05.879
<v Speaker 2>Blavatsky herself, she expressed an interest in Keeley's work, and

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:11.040
<v Speaker 2>her publications talked about his claims like pretty sympathetically. Keighley

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.800
<v Speaker 2>was seen as a man who had accessed hidden natural

0:51:14.880 --> 0:51:20.520
<v Speaker 2>forces through this like intuitive spiritual attainment instead of boring

0:51:20.560 --> 0:51:21.279
<v Speaker 2>scientific man.

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Loved because he couldn't express it.

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 2>Yes, this totally worked for Keeley because like it made

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 2>it out that he refused to submit to scientific investigation

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>as a spiritual necessity. That's not fraud. I need this.

0:51:36.080 --> 0:51:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I am protecting the vibe. So it all had to

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 2>come to an end at some point, and that end

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:46.799
<v Speaker 2>was actually the end of John Ernst World Keiey. He

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:50.040
<v Speaker 2>died on November eighteenth, eighteen ninety eight, in Philadelphia. He

0:51:50.080 --> 0:51:52.640
<v Speaker 2>was sixty one years old. He the full run, Yeah,

0:51:52.640 --> 0:51:56.360
<v Speaker 2>pneumonia and then out. So he died without having produced

0:51:56.400 --> 0:52:01.360
<v Speaker 2>a commercially operational machine. He died with having demonstrated his

0:52:01.480 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 2>principles under conditions acceptable to independent scientific investigation. And he

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:12.120
<v Speaker 2>died having consumed tens of millions of dollars in investor funds. Yes,

0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 2>over a quarter century, he promises, the huckster dream.

0:52:15.960 --> 0:52:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he never had to really, other than those few

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:19.640
<v Speaker 3>days where he was incarcerated, He never really had to

0:52:19.640 --> 0:52:21.600
<v Speaker 3>pay up, you know, face justice.

0:52:21.640 --> 0:52:25.680
<v Speaker 2>The reaction among his supporters was just grief. They were bereft,

0:52:26.120 --> 0:52:29.040
<v Speaker 2>but in some cases great men, and they're like, you

0:52:29.080 --> 0:52:31.920
<v Speaker 2>know what, the secrets died with him, of course, and

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:35.680
<v Speaker 2>that's such a shame. But then among the skeptics, they're

0:52:35.760 --> 0:52:37.439
<v Speaker 2>like full of anticipation.

0:52:38.000 --> 0:52:38.960
<v Speaker 3>Let me get the notebooks.

0:52:39.080 --> 0:52:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Within weeks of his death, the scientific and journalistic

0:52:42.719 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 2>communities like descended to see what he left behind.

0:52:46.920 --> 0:52:48.160
<v Speaker 3>The ancient James Randys.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

0:52:49.400 --> 0:52:49.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>So the results were reported in detail in the Philadelphia

0:52:53.200 --> 0:52:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Press newspaper. They sent investigators to examine the workshop at

0:52:57.600 --> 0:53:01.799
<v Speaker 2>fourteen twenty two North twentieth Street. What they found totally

0:53:01.840 --> 0:53:06.880
<v Speaker 2>dismantled the entire edifice of all his claim discoveries. The

0:53:06.920 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 2>building had this really super complex concealed hydraulic pressure system

0:53:11.760 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 2>built into it. Under the floorboards, they found a system

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.760
<v Speaker 2>of tubes. Not the Internet, just another system of tubes

0:53:19.239 --> 0:53:22.640
<v Speaker 2>connected to a large sphere of compressed water or air

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>buried in the basement, and those tubes ran through the

0:53:26.480 --> 0:53:28.800
<v Speaker 2>walls and the floors to connect to all these various

0:53:28.840 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 2>machines they supplied the power that had driven all the demonstrations,

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:37.440
<v Speaker 2>just a huge air compressor under the house. The gauges

0:53:37.920 --> 0:53:41.719
<v Speaker 2>that had registered all the huge pressures. They were connected

0:53:41.760 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 2>to the concealed reservoir rather than any energy released by

0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:46.719
<v Speaker 2>the machines themselves.

0:53:46.760 --> 0:53:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Oh that's smart.

0:53:48.320 --> 0:53:50.799
<v Speaker 2>The globe motor that looked like it was spinning by

0:53:50.800 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 2>the power of vibe sure that contained a secret compartment

0:53:54.600 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 2>that had a small motor in it that was also

0:53:57.440 --> 0:54:02.120
<v Speaker 2>powered by compressed air. The iron sphere that he once

0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 2>said had restrained teams of horses that was connected to

0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 2>the same network. Even the like he had this apparently

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:14.240
<v Speaker 2>spontaneous levitation of weights that he would do and bending

0:54:14.280 --> 0:54:17.680
<v Speaker 2>of metal bars. They could trace that all to mechanical

0:54:17.760 --> 0:54:20.000
<v Speaker 2>connections and you know, hidden stuff.

0:54:20.040 --> 0:54:22.600
<v Speaker 3>So he was still using the traditional heat beaten treat.

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:28.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, the investigators found false floors, hidden panels, pipes, involves

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:31.719
<v Speaker 2>all over the place. Is pretty a genius, it really is.

0:54:31.800 --> 0:54:34.919
<v Speaker 2>And he but and he hadn't just pulled off like simple.

0:54:34.600 --> 0:54:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Frauds like Wizard of Oz level of.

0:54:37.680 --> 0:54:42.360
<v Speaker 2>He spent decades engineering one of the most elaborate deceptions

0:54:42.400 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 2>in the history of American science. Like the work that

0:54:45.320 --> 0:54:46.400
<v Speaker 2>he had to put into that.

0:54:46.480 --> 0:54:48.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, he was actually scientifically gifted, just with.

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Precision, the sophistication, Like he had genuine mechanical ability. And

0:54:55.360 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't ignorant. No, he just directed that mechanical ability

0:54:59.440 --> 0:55:03.880
<v Speaker 2>towards rather than the solution of any like real physical totally.

0:55:03.920 --> 0:55:06.040
<v Speaker 3>He kept old things and made them new by putting

0:55:06.080 --> 0:55:06.560
<v Speaker 3>them together.

0:55:06.719 --> 0:55:09.959
<v Speaker 2>The scale of the hidden infrastructure also made it clear

0:55:10.000 --> 0:55:13.560
<v Speaker 2>that the fraud was one hundred percent deliberate, rather than

0:55:13.600 --> 0:55:16.960
<v Speaker 2>being like, oh, he has this delusion and resort to trickery,

0:55:17.160 --> 0:55:19.120
<v Speaker 2>like no, this is this is from the ground, or

0:55:19.239 --> 0:55:19.800
<v Speaker 2>he didn't.

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:21.560
<v Speaker 3>He was It was intuition. He was working with a

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 3>belief and it turned out to be wrong and he

0:55:23.320 --> 0:55:26.279
<v Speaker 3>wanted to make it right. No, this is very much.

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 2>None of the investors ever received any return on their investment, obviously,

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:33.440
<v Speaker 2>and there were no assets to the Kili Motor Company

0:55:34.040 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 2>beyond the financial losses. The whole thing really damaged the

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 2>culture of Americans speculative investment in scientific credibility at the time.

0:55:43.280 --> 0:55:44.600
<v Speaker 2>That's going to say, we do it now.

0:55:45.280 --> 0:55:48.240
<v Speaker 3>That's like how Tesla got screwed his guys like him.

0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:51.839
<v Speaker 2>So, you know, the willingness of really smart and well

0:55:52.000 --> 0:55:56.359
<v Speaker 2>educated people to get duped by his charad became this

0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.799
<v Speaker 2>cautionary tale for everyone, and it was cited in all

0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 2>these discussions about scientific fraud and the psychology of con artists.

0:56:03.880 --> 0:56:05.960
<v Speaker 3>Mark Twain used to be suckered by people like this.

0:56:06.200 --> 0:56:07.040
<v Speaker 3>You know, he was.

0:56:07.000 --> 0:56:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Friends with It's miracle and wonder.

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and you want something oscillating and shaking and doing

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:13.600
<v Speaker 3>all this stuff well.

0:56:13.480 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 2>And it illustrated for people of the era, and it

0:56:16.239 --> 0:56:19.480
<v Speaker 2>should do the same for people now. Like the trappings

0:56:19.520 --> 0:56:23.880
<v Speaker 2>of technical complexity, Like when it's deployed by a really

0:56:24.280 --> 0:56:28.560
<v Speaker 2>skilled performer, you can disable critical thinking in folks who

0:56:28.600 --> 0:56:29.040
<v Speaker 2>should know.

0:56:29.000 --> 0:56:31.399
<v Speaker 3>Better, totally promise is blinding in that way.

0:56:31.520 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, so Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.280
<v Speaker 3>Like I would have loved if actually I'm just mentioned

0:56:38.320 --> 0:56:40.000
<v Speaker 3>Mark Twain, if he would have gotten a chance to

0:56:40.000 --> 0:56:43.280
<v Speaker 3>see when he's exhibitions and then gotten like all excited

0:56:43.280 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 3>about it, invested some of his money like he often did,

0:56:46.120 --> 0:56:49.080
<v Speaker 3>lost it like he often did, and then wrote after

0:56:49.120 --> 0:56:53.319
<v Speaker 3>the guy passed some scathing like his like letters of

0:56:53.440 --> 0:56:56.239
<v Speaker 3>like you know, like his books about God and they

0:56:56.239 --> 0:56:59.439
<v Speaker 3>were published posthumously where he just brought the heat something

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:02.640
<v Speaker 3>like that, just for this guy, you know, the innocence

0:57:02.640 --> 0:57:06.360
<v Speaker 3>of broad level of like mockery of Hubris, but for

0:57:06.480 --> 0:57:08.960
<v Speaker 3>this guy. Yes, I would have loved that, just for

0:57:09.000 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 3>the for the sake of Tesla, who I absolutely love

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:14.279
<v Speaker 3>as like one of these figures at this time, who

0:57:14.280 --> 0:57:16.880
<v Speaker 3>I get so mad, how screwed. He was either by

0:57:16.920 --> 0:57:21.240
<v Speaker 3>short sighted, greedy or Charlatan's like what's yours? Elizabeth?

0:57:21.480 --> 0:57:23.720
<v Speaker 2>My takeaway is that we see this over and over

0:57:23.960 --> 0:57:29.640
<v Speaker 2>of con artists who or crimers who have a skill

0:57:29.840 --> 0:57:33.680
<v Speaker 2>and have a talent and use it in the wrong way,

0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:36.240
<v Speaker 2>like we see it with like forgers, where they're like,

0:57:36.280 --> 0:57:39.240
<v Speaker 2>you're a wonderful artist, why why do you come up

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.360
<v Speaker 2>with something else? And so here he spent all this

0:57:42.520 --> 0:57:46.560
<v Speaker 2>time like fitting an entire building and rather than you know,

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:50.320
<v Speaker 2>because I think that when you have the confidence there,

0:57:50.400 --> 0:57:53.560
<v Speaker 2>their confidence is false confidence and they're gaining the confidence

0:57:53.600 --> 0:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>of others. They're building on something that exists. But it

0:57:56.960 --> 0:58:01.720
<v Speaker 2>is such a terrible, terrifying saying risk to go out

0:58:01.760 --> 0:58:04.680
<v Speaker 2>on your own and try something that may that may fail.

0:58:04.800 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 2>So as a painter, you know you could paint it

0:58:07.160 --> 0:58:09.440
<v Speaker 2>and no one sees what you see. You know, you

0:58:09.480 --> 0:58:11.680
<v Speaker 2>and I know it. As writers, and you write something

0:58:11.720 --> 0:58:14.200
<v Speaker 2>that you really resonates with with you and you put

0:58:14.200 --> 0:58:16.840
<v Speaker 2>it out there and if it's it hurts when people

0:58:16.840 --> 0:58:19.000
<v Speaker 2>don't get it, or if it just falls, you know,

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it fails, And so I can see, like I just

0:58:21.520 --> 0:58:24.840
<v Speaker 2>think it's really interesting the amount of time that these

0:58:24.840 --> 0:58:26.440
<v Speaker 2>people put into their cons.

0:58:26.480 --> 0:58:28.360
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, the amount of time he spent just like

0:58:28.480 --> 0:58:29.440
<v Speaker 3>shining the copper.

0:58:29.600 --> 0:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the copper shining alone. With that said, I Dave,

0:58:34.960 --> 0:58:36.720
<v Speaker 2>if it's okay with you, I'd like a talkback.

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:47.640
<v Speaker 3>I would be delighted. Oh my god, I went cheat.

0:58:52.200 --> 0:58:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Hey, Saron, this is actually just for the lady host

0:58:54.960 --> 0:58:55.520
<v Speaker 1>this time.

0:58:56.280 --> 0:58:59.760
<v Speaker 2>This is Laura and I need some TV recommendations from

0:58:59.800 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 2>somebody who.

0:59:00.480 --> 0:59:03.120
<v Speaker 3>Doesn't watch TV as much as I don't watch TV.

0:59:04.120 --> 0:59:08.280
<v Speaker 4>I just got brit Box and I really liked Ludwig

0:59:08.400 --> 0:59:09.160
<v Speaker 4>and the Cleaner.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have any recommendations, Lady Host.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to hear them. Love you guys. Bye,

0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:19.200
<v Speaker 2>totally fair enough, I gotcha, I gotcha. Okay, So brit

0:59:19.200 --> 0:59:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Box Shetland. If you haven't watched Shetland, I think it's

0:59:22.120 --> 0:59:26.640
<v Speaker 2>like season ten now. It's great. It's very contemplative and

0:59:26.760 --> 0:59:30.479
<v Speaker 2>a little slow, as Zarin would say, but I love

0:59:30.760 --> 0:59:33.640
<v Speaker 2>I love Shetland. And then moving out of you know

0:59:33.640 --> 0:59:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what I'm really into right now is Paradise on Hulu.

0:59:38.400 --> 0:59:42.320
<v Speaker 2>Great show. Season two is going on. And then the

0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:44.440
<v Speaker 2>other thing that I watch on the regular right now,

0:59:44.480 --> 0:59:48.080
<v Speaker 2>aside from the hit ABC show, nine one one, but

0:59:48.160 --> 0:59:50.720
<v Speaker 2>not nine to one in Nashville because it's I couldn't

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 2>make through the first episode is ru Paul's Drag Race.

0:59:54.120 --> 0:59:56.760
<v Speaker 2>It's really good this season and I'm all about Jane

0:59:56.760 --> 1:00:00.000
<v Speaker 2>don't so anyway, those are my recommendations. There was all

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<v Speaker 2>so another one on britt Box recently with the guy

1:00:04.960 --> 1:00:07.440
<v Speaker 2>who was in Wire in the Blood and you probably

1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:09.160
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm talking about anyway. I think it was

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<v Speaker 2>like a one off. Check that one out too. It's

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