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Speaker 1: Ridiculous crime. It is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Zaren Elizabeth Zarn. How are you?

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Speaker 3: I'm really good good. I'm happy to say that.

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Speaker 2: You really are really good.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank goodness.

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Speaker 3: How about you? How you feeling?

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Speaker 2: How you doing all right? I'm alright?

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Speaker 3: How you be? Girl?

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Speaker 2: You know what? Above ground and getting paid? I like

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Speaker 2: to say, that's me h. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I do. Oh have you ever heard of the

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Speaker 3: Kentucky meat shower?

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Speaker 2: Is that like a euphemism?

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Speaker 3: No, it's a thing.

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Speaker 2: It's an actual, literal thing.

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Speaker 3: Between eleven am and noon on March third, eighteen seventy six,

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Speaker 3: uh huh, chunks of meat fell from the sky over

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Speaker 3: Olympia Springs in Bath County, Kentucky. And it was like

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Speaker 3: big chunks of meat, like we're talking.

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Speaker 2: Like stew beef.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. This this apparently this farmhouse farm wife she went

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Speaker 3: outside and her husband thought it was like an a

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Speaker 3: sign of God, right, and he said that it was

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Speaker 3: snowing meat. That's how he described it was. The pieces

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Speaker 3: of meat were two by two inches or five centimeters

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Speaker 3: by five centimeters, and one of them was at least

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Speaker 3: four inches by four inches or ten centimeters by ten sameters.

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Speaker 3: These are big chunks of meat. Yeah. Some people thought

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Speaker 3: it was beef. Some people thought it was lamb, some

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Speaker 3: people thought it was dear. Two men who tasted it,

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Speaker 3: they judged it to be lamb or deer. They tasted

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Speaker 3: the meat. They no, they just picked it up and

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Speaker 3: let me taste that little. It tastes like deer to me.

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Speaker 3: So accordingly this guy, doctor Allan McLain Hamilton from the

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Speaker 3: medical record, he stated that the meat had been identified

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Speaker 3: as lung tissue from either a human being or a

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Speaker 3: human in or from a human so either a whole

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Speaker 3: course or human.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so he said about the structure of the organ

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Speaker 3: in these two cases being almost identical. Right. So the

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Speaker 3: New York Times described it as cosmic meat because that's

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Speaker 3: what some of the locals were kind of joking about.

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Speaker 3: So some humorous. This guy, the Kurt Goda, apparently he

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Speaker 3: had this theory that it was cosmic meat. Others locals

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Speaker 3: they thought the meat would have been vomited by either

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Speaker 3: black or turkey vultures. So black vultures or turkey vultures,

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Speaker 3: and because apparently they do that when they're stressed, they

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Speaker 3: vomit up but what they just raised so they could

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Speaker 3: fly right, just so we could all know that's science.

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Speaker 2: And they didn't even say it was what it was.

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Speaker 2: They got it wrong. It was like human lung, totally

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Speaker 2: like medicine.

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Speaker 3: You know. Some people also pointed out that it could

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Speaker 3: have been like had like send you also that, so

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Speaker 3: it could have been like, uh, you know, basically human

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Speaker 3: gristle and and what have you. So I have a theory,

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Speaker 3: thank you for asking.

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Speaker 2: It was desperate to.

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Speaker 3: It was a time traveler who got their coordinate's wrong,

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Speaker 3: and you just got just destroyed across the atmosphere and

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Speaker 3: they fell down in bits and pieces. Cause if you

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Speaker 3: think about it, the planet's moving, and say you do

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Speaker 3: some time travel, if you don't get your cord, it's

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Speaker 3: exactly right. You could en end up in the atmosphere.

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Speaker 3: You could end up in the defense center of the Earth.

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Speaker 3: You're not going to necessarily land on the surface. Got

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Speaker 3: to be the whole planet's moving, So I mean, you

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Speaker 3: got to really get your cord. And it's right. So

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Speaker 3: you're off by just a little bit, maybe early experimentation.

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Speaker 3: All of a sudden you just slid a person across

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Speaker 3: the atmosphere and you got a meat shower.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's the only explanation. I mean, my

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Speaker 2: time travel, my theory. I mean it's not as as like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's right in front of us. Why didn't

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Speaker 2: we think it? Is that there was an inventor in

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Speaker 2: the area who invented the first wood chipper, oh like.

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Speaker 3: A meat cannon, and fell into it and then broke.

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Speaker 2: It while it was spraying him all over making and

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Speaker 3: Now, I love that theory, and I cannot promise you

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Speaker 3: that I will not in the future comically refer to

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Speaker 3: as a euphemism a Kentucky meat shower sounds like the

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Speaker 3: old Kentucky meat shower.

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Speaker 2: Yes, so what that would be a euphemism.

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Speaker 3: For probably something I order at a restaurant that I

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Speaker 3: go to. What is this Kentucky No, that's like.

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Speaker 2: When you're eating a burrito, but it's like one of

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Speaker 2: those disgusting like something no offense to those who like it.

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Speaker 2: But the ground beef burrito and you trip spills down

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Speaker 2: the sidewalk out that's Kentucky meat because like you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's like sort of gringo to do ground beef

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Speaker 2: and a burrito.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's just what I'm hearing in my earpiece right now.

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Speaker 2: That's ridiculous. I love that. Thank you. Do you want

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Speaker 2: to know what else is ridiculous? Being powered by vibes?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is This is Ridiculous Crime, a podcast about

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Speaker 4: absurd and outrageous capers, heists, and cons.

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Speaker 2: It's always ninety nine percent murder free and one hundred

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Speaker 2: percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: This I know you done herd have yes? Uh?

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Speaker 2: Con men right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, those are especially when they aim up.

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Speaker 2: They traffic in vibes.

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Speaker 3: This is true. It's a good way of putting in Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Let's just put that out there. They create vibes that

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Speaker 2: get people engaged. People want in on vibes.

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Speaker 3: They're vibe criming.

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Speaker 2: They're total vibe criming. I you know, it's interesting because

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Speaker 2: on Tuesday you were talking about scientists death.

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Speaker 3: This is true, and our.

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Speaker 2: Cycles have synked once again. Yes, yeah, I have a

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Speaker 2: scientist for you.

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Speaker 3: Really look at us, girls.

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Speaker 2: We're an old timey con man and he used both

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Speaker 2: vibes in his behaviors. And in his con itself. Oh zaren,

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Speaker 2: meet John whirl Keihley.

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Speaker 3: Oh what a mouthful name.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so Keeley, that's his stepsister.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to call him Keeley like when you yell

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Speaker 2: at yourself and say Brenette. Okay. So he was someone

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Speaker 2: referred to me in an email today as just Dunton.

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Speaker 2: Really yeah, and I was like, Dunton did you read that?

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Speaker 2: I did?

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Speaker 3: Actually? Uh?

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Speaker 2: So okay. Keilley born eighteen thirty seven in Pennsylvania. He

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Speaker 2: kind of like you. He was a carnival barker kind

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Speaker 2: played in various orchestras in and around Philadelphia, which is

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Speaker 2: a turn who saw that kind of like precisely. So

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Speaker 2: these gigs established him in two skills that would absolutely

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Speaker 2: become indispensable in his later let's call them fraudulent enterprises.

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Speaker 2: He had this dexterity with mechanical apparatus and say that

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Speaker 2: most skeptical observer. Oh my god. Like Riz City. That's

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Speaker 2: is that the new grand theft auto?

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Speaker 3: Rizz City?

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Speaker 2: What's your Raccoon Escape from Raccoon City or whatever?

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Speaker 4: Oh?

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Speaker 3: Yes, what was that? Welcome to Raccoon City.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it was like a video game movie. I

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Speaker 2: don't know whatever it was. Riz City. So to understand Kihley,

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Speaker 2: we have to understand Philadelphia in the mid nineteenth century.

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Speaker 2: You have to know Philly as was the city that

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Speaker 2: was absolutely electrified by technological progress. This is the age

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Speaker 2: all these inventors are popping up. They want attention and

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Speaker 2: they want money, they want that capital. Enter John Ernst WHORL. Kiley.

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Speaker 2: So he had this boldness and it kind of like

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Speaker 3: Me, thinking like P. T. Barnum, like where he's like

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Speaker 2: It's more like flourishes in my mind.

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Speaker 3: Okay, like this.

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Speaker 2: So he was this large like mountain of a man,

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Speaker 2: powerfully built. He had this really commanding physical presence and

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Speaker 2: a booming, deep sonorous voice. Yes, and that magnetic self assurance,

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Speaker 2: the confidence that everyone trusted him.

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Speaker 2: So around eighteen seventy two he starts attracting attention because

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Speaker 2: he claimed that he had discovered an entirely new, an

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Speaker 2: inexhaustible source of energy.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, energy story.

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Speaker 2: And he called this etheric force.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, I'm familiar. I've seen this reference. Well.

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Speaker 2: So the term, like he it evoked what was really

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Speaker 2: So Keeley was like, I can manipulate the vibrational properties

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Speaker 3: You think lightning's cool, and you know all.

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Speaker 2: Powered by vibes, that all vibes is there in the

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Speaker 2: clay was staggering, staggered. So he said that, Okay, He's like,

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Speaker 3: Alecazoo.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, vibes, vibes, and then he could generate enough pressure

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Speaker 2: to drive a locomotive. Wow, and not just like a

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Speaker 3: Yeah. He's like, I'm creating nuclear energy out of this water.

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Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, So his spiel was like this infection of

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Speaker 2: invented terminology. Love that and like half baked scientific concepts.

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Speaker 3: I am so jealous. I've always wanted to invent terminology

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Speaker 3: and half so good, come on, so good, let me cook.

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Speaker 3: In the eighteen eighties, so he talked.

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Speaker 2: About vibratory sympathetic transmission, quadruple negative harmonics. This is like

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Speaker 2: when people talk like this, my eyes glaze over. So

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Speaker 2: I'm just like, yeah, I totally understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Polar and depolar differentiation, Okay, etheric disintegration, like dozens of

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Speaker 3: This guy's are like a glossy So.

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Speaker 2: To the uninitiated people like me, they're impressed, like that's technical.

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Speaker 3: A lot of.

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Speaker 2: Actual physicists and engineers they're like, this is nonsense, babble.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so ps, you're violating the laws of thermodynamics.

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Speaker 3: Newton would be tear his hair cuts.

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Speaker 2: Up on that. Yeah, so Keeley, he wasn't talking to physicists.

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Speaker 2: He was talking to fat cat because.

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Speaker 3: They're critical, Elizabeth, they are faking, they've read books.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he No. Keeley is like, hey, wealthy industrialists.

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Speaker 3: You guys are investor.

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Speaker 2: That's a three million dollar investment. And she was given

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Speaker 2: And two weeks away. He's always two weeks away, and

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Speaker 2: So Keighley would demonstrate his fantastic machines to visitors, but

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Speaker 3: Proprietary of form.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in essence, these people are going to the theater. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Do so it's like watching it a tom and On

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Speaker 2: So the question that investigators like couldn't ever resolve was

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. Thank you for asking. So Keiley

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Speaker 3: Vibes, A bobs ain't right in his vibes are off.

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Speaker 2: Shut down, vibes are off, same right, vibes are off.

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Speaker 2: He calls it off. Yes, So he limited his physical

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Speaker 2: Obviously there's a lot of trickery going on, but people

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Speaker 2: And he was like, look, my discoveries are so delicate

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Speaker 3: So they're like, we want blueprints or receipts, and he's like, no, bro,

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Speaker 2: All right, Cesarin, he vibes.

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Speaker 3: Loving vibes.

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Speaker 2: So Kiley right by the end of eighteen eighty one,

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Speaker 2: On December fourteenth, eighteen eighty one, they convened their annual

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Speaker 3: Because they formed the basically corporation, I got stockholders stockholder.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this steampunk has given me nothing.

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Speaker 2: So steampunk. And another thing in the report was how

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Speaker 3: Oh, because nobody knows.

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Speaker 3: Look at anything legitimate concern.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So the report made public what had previously just

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Speaker 3: Basically a wizard pretty much you don't nobody spell.

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Speaker 2: You know, you don't step to the wizard. So that

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Speaker 3: Show you son, yes, okay.

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Speaker 2: And he had all these reasons why the court should

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Speaker 3: The exciting patent laws.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, none of which engaged with the underlying question like

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Speaker 2: So it goes to court on April first, eighteen eighty two,

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Speaker 3: Let them fly, wheels fly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously a Kigley's in a bit of a jam. Now,

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Speaker 3: We need somebody to know.

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Speaker 2: And that's the absolute most that Keihey would agree to.

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Speaker 3: Like excitory alchemy.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he said it would be proper to describe

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Speaker 3: Oh, he took his back.

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Speaker 2: He took his back.

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Speaker 3: He's like he's shaking these water molecules. So they don't care.

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Speaker 2: there's no technical information that would let any other person

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00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 2: replicate this or even go in and evaluate the process.

442
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 3: He doesn't outline like this. He goes to beg to see.

443
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. So the next year, this newspaper correspondent drops a

444
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: bombshell Bocal had not in fact been entrusted with the

445
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: secrets of the motor at all. Despite the report. Keighley

446
00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 2: told Bochel he could explain everything in less than two

447
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,360
Speaker 2: hours after the engine was completed, and that he had

448
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 2: not done so yet, just because the engine was not

449
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 2: yet complete. I'll explain it to you when the engine's done.

450
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 3: Engines. Sorry, it's not done.

451
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: It's only gonna take me two hours to explain this focus. Yeah,

452
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 2: and so he hadn't instructed vocal on all the inner

453
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,920
Speaker 2: workings or let him even see it in action.

454
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: They picked a bad age.

455
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,920
Speaker 2: Yes, So by the summer of eighteen eighty four, Kelley's

456
00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:18,920
Speaker 2: situation was like precarious.

457
00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 3: Do you think he kind of like slipped him a

458
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 3: five and like, hey, go tell them, okay.

459
00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 2: And I think he also was like.

460
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 3: Just dumb enough to believe him, yes, but smart enough

461
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 3: to kind of understand.

462
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: And I think that Keiley had just a way to

463
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,719
Speaker 2: dance around people with scientific sounding language.

464
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: People love promise. Look at Sam Altman.

465
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:42,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so Keihey's reputation was like starting to be

466
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 2: in shambles. Okay, you know he had put off the

467
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: machine too often the stockholders or like starting to turn

468
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 2: off the money tap totally no more funding. At a

469
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,720
Speaker 2: board meeting March eighteen eighty four, He's like, guess what, guys,

470
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: the vibratory engines finished. Good news. Yeah, I got it.

471
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: And he's like, so this is in March. She's like,

472
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:08,159
Speaker 2: I will demonstrate it on or before April tenth. April

473
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: tenth came went okay, no, no vibratory engine display. And

474
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: so when in doubt, shift gears get a new gadget

475
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: to sell to a new audience.

476
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 3: Ah, so the Zuckerberg model.

477
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:25,159
Speaker 2: He stepped away. He stepped away from the engine and

478
00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:27,800
Speaker 2: the motor company. He had a new invention. What is it,

479
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: the the poric gun vaporic gun.

480
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 3: Oh, he's going to do like a gas gun.

481
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. This was a weapon that he claimed was powered

482
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 2: by the same etheric or vaporic force that drove his

483
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: motor And this time he wasn't looking to the public

484
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 2: for money. Of course, he went to the government instead.

485
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,959
Speaker 3: Oh what year are we ineen four? Okay?

486
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 2: So the army in this time period, early eighteen eighties,

487
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: they wanted new weapons technology.

488
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: So I was just wondering, are we getting ready for

489
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 3: a war? But not quite? But they're like, let's just

490
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 3: on the horizon.

491
00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:02,479
Speaker 2: Why not.

492
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 3: We're gonna be a strong power. We need.

493
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Me these. So he figured like if he could show

494
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: government officials this crazy new gun, get them on board,

495
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 2: it'd be great publicity. For him totally, and maybe he

496
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 2: gets some of these sweet government contracts.

497
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,400
Speaker 3: Being a defense contractor looks like a real good gig.

498
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: It's they make, They make a whole lot.

499
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 3: Of and it's a low bar to like convince these

500
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: people you know what we need.

501
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,200
Speaker 2: You know we need, and they're always just like, yeah,

502
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:40,080
Speaker 2: throw money, Zaron. Yes, I want you to picture it.

503
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,960
Speaker 2: It's September twentieth, eighteen eighty four. You are sitting on

504
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: bleachers under a warm autumn, cloudless sky at the US

505
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: Army proving Ground at Sandy Hook, New Jersey. Your wool

506
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: uniform soaks up the sun, but you remain cool and calm.

507
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 2: That's just who you are. You are Lieutenant Edmund L. Zelensky.

508
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 2: All around you on the bleachers are other military higher

509
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 2: ups and weapons experts. You are a United States Army

510
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: military engineer of considerable distinction. Your current project is developing

511
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: a pneumatic dynamite gun for the Army's use. And today

512
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 2: you're waiting to observe a demonstration by some character named

513
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,040
Speaker 2: John Ernst Worrell Keeley. He stands on the bare ground

514
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: before you, prepping his presentation. He has with him five

515
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 2: gallons of what he described as veporic force contained in

516
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 2: a receiver. His claim is that this quantity of stored

517
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 2: force would be sufficient to fire a high caliber weapon.

518
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 2: He moves a large metal container and sets up what

519
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: looks like a tiny cannon. The gun itself is a

520
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 2: small weapon. The bore is just one and a quarter inches.

521
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Connected to it is an iron wire tube three sixteenths

522
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: of an inch in diameter, leading to an iron receiver

523
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: four and a half feet long, containing the alleged viporic force.

524
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,000
Speaker 2: Look the setup and think to yourself that it looks

525
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 2: an awful lot like an ordinary compressed air gun, not

526
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,240
Speaker 2: some revolutionary physics defying super weapon. Kihi loads the gun

527
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: by ramming a small lead ball into the muzzle. He

528
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: then taps the iron receiver with a hammer. He turns

529
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: to the crowd and explains that this action was necessary

530
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:27,040
Speaker 2: to stimulate the vibratory force within it. Vibratory force such nonsense,

531
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 2: You think, why that hammer tap is nothing more than

532
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: a piece of theater, you grumble. Kihi then turns a handle.

533
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 2: The ball is fired from the gun with a short,

534
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 2: sharp report and minimal recoil, and notably, you see no

535
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 2: powder smoke. He goes through the process and fires again.

536
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 2: A man at a table with a clipboard full of

537
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: papers scribbles notes and then announces a velocity of four

538
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty two feet per second. Kiley fires the

539
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 2: weapon again, this time a target consisting of three spruce planks,

540
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: each three inches thick. The ball penetrates the purse plank

541
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: and goes halfway through the second. Keighley announces to the

542
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 2: gathered group that he has used a pressure of seven

543
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: thousand pounds per square inch for these demonstrations, and that

544
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 2: he could employ thirty thousand pounds per square inch if

545
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 2: he wanted to. You are thoroughly familiar with the properties

546
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 2: and behavior of compressed air as a propulsive force. You

547
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: think the aport gun bears a suspicious and unmistakable resemblance

548
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: to compressed air weapons with which you are already familiar.

549
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 2: The speed, the lack of smoke and recoil, the use

550
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: of a pressure vessel connected to a firing chamber by

551
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: a tube. That's simple compressed air. There's nothing mysterious, and

552
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: certainly nothing new. You turn to the man sitting beside you,

553
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 2: aar Edy, the president of the Kihlei Motor Company. You

554
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 2: could replicate everything Keighley had shown and go further. You

555
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: tell him, he tells you, he'll speak about it to

556
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 2: mister Keeley. No need for you to demonstrate, you huff,

557
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: no wonder all you suckers are all going broke. So

558
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 2: the day after the Sandy Hook demonstration, Keihley met with

559
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: a reporter from the New York Times and declared that

560
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 2: his experimenting days were over and that complete success was

561
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: now close at hand. Like, I don't need to keep

562
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: tinkering on this, I'm done. He was, like that motor,

563
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 2: Remember the motor. It's going to be done in less

564
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 2: than two months. So he bumped it out.

565
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 3: Not the two weeks too much, It's going to be

566
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 3: a two.

567
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: Then I'm gonna give a whole exhibition of its massive.

568
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: How like Tony Stark over here, the same old.

569
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:46,120
Speaker 2: Song and dance. So Lieutenant Zelenski's interest in Keeley didn't

570
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,760
Speaker 2: end at Sandy Hook. So November eighteen eighty four he

571
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 2: attended just like the next month, he attends a demonstration

572
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 2: at Keihey's workshop in Philadelphia. And during the show, Zelensky

573
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: saw this large reservoir that kee should to his guests,

574
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: and so he made a suggestion he thought that if

575
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 2: Keighley's generator truly produced force from water, as he claimed

576
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: that the complete and convincing test would be to discharge

577
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: the reservoir entirely and then recharge it using the generator.

578
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 2: With Zelensky watching. This was a closed cycle demonstration of

579
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 2: if this is supposed to be an over unity device,

580
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: this is exactly what would be able to prove it up.

581
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 2: Yea exhibition of it was like big no, and he

582
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 2: was like, you know, if we recharging the reservoir is

583
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 2: going to take two hours, who has two hours in

584
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: their life? And like, even though he had been saying

585
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: over and over that he could produce large quantities of

586
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: force in a matter of seconds, so he also offered

587
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: the explanation that the reservoir had been carefully negatized. Oh,

588
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 2: a term that means nothing.

589
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 3: So he's like, instead of saying calibrated, he's like, it's been.

590
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 2: I can't discharge it all right if you're.

591
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 3: A pneumatic whatever dynamite gun.

592
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,959
Speaker 2: So Kiley, he's also in this demonstration, he says that

593
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: he's achieved pressures of fifty thousand pounds per square inch

594
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 2: and that it was so much that it broke all

595
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: his pressure gage. He's like, oh yeah, but he brought

596
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 2: with him a calibrated pressure gauge that could register up

597
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 2: to ten thousand pounds per square inch. He's like, here,

598
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: you use this, try and break it. And he knew, like, okay,

599
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: we can. We can disprove all this pressure stuff right here.

600
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 2: If he declines, like, we're going to expose him. So

601
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: Keiley pauses and he's like for a second, He's like,

602
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 2: you can tell his say. Then he comes up with

603
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: this response that became one of the most quoted lines

604
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,960
Speaker 2: of his career. He told Zelinsky that he did not

605
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: believe in pressure gauges anyway.

606
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 3: I don't trust a rule.

607
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: Takes science, you know. So it's on June sixth, eighteen

608
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: eighty five. Kiley Stage is another exhibition at the workshop.

609
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 2: This time he's got twenty people, including newspaper reporters, a

610
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 2: mechanical engineer, officers, stockholders from Kiley Motors. For this one,

611
00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:24,720
Speaker 2: he puts together this like crazy apparatus that was mostly

612
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:26,680
Speaker 2: just visually complex.

613
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 3: So really a steampunk stuff. It's like a lot of

614
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,720
Speaker 3: copper coil, a lot of wires.

615
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 2: So at the centerpiece is a globe fitted with all

616
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:41,279
Speaker 2: these apertures from which tubes ran to cylinders. Yeah, a

617
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: lot of globe was on top of a structure that

618
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: also incorporated two large tuning forks and a latticed framework

619
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: of rods and rings, described by observers as looking like

620
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 2: a big old bird cage. There were more tuning forks,

621
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:01,760
Speaker 2: more rings that contain steel wires projecting out of their centers,

622
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 2: all these other weirds.

623
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 3: Is like vibratory collection.

624
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 2: Yes, all these attachments. The structural function of the bird

625
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: cage was, as a New York Times reporter would later note,

626
00:35:12,080 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 2: to attract the eye and the attention of observers toward

627
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: the musical apparatus and away from the globe and cylinders,

628
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 2: which were the components actually connected to the concealed power source.

629
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 2: So he's like, don't look at this ugly old engine,

630
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: Look at this crazy steampunk.

631
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 3: Look at this sculpture burning man. Ready.

632
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So when a reporter asked whether he could examine

633
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: the contents of the globe, Key was like, no, no,

634
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: your vibes are bad. He's like, it'll take too long.

635
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: I want to show this, Like you're what are you

636
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: trying to stall me here?

637
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 3: Like sabotage, sabotage. What are you doing here?

638
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:49,920
Speaker 2: Elon musk of it all is so out of control.

639
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: So Keighley started the demonstration by rubbing a greased violin

640
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 2: bow across one of the tuning forks.

641
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 3: Okay, and the vibration like, listen to that tune. You

642
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 3: can hear the distribution of the vibe.

643
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 2: It looks impressive. Then he made like little adjustments. He

644
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: opened up a stopcock that was leading to one of

645
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,160
Speaker 2: the cylinders. And when he did that, the witness has

646
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 2: heard what was described as a hiss of escaping air,

647
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: and then they're kind of like huh, And he immediately

648
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,359
Speaker 2: talks and he's like, oh, what you heard wasn't compressed air.

649
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 2: That was etheric vapor, and it's a force without material nature.

650
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: Guys, don't get hung up.

651
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 2: It's whatever you do. Don't believe that it's compressed air.

652
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 2: And so the distinction he was drawing was between a

653
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 2: real gas, which would have weight, chemical properties, behavior describable

654
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 2: by physical laws. And then his alleged etheric vapor is

655
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 2: free energy had none of that. Yeah, because he's saying

656
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: it's pure force rather than matter.

657
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 3: It's pure energy. He's dissolved the chemical bonds structure. It's

658
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 3: now just oscillating in and out of the ether.

659
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: Yes, And he's like, you know, once I released this

660
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: through the stopcock, it's going to go to these weights,

661
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: which it did, and he's like, now they are at

662
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: approximately twenty two thousand pounds per square inch of pressure,

663
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: all at my disposal, and like there are no pressure measurements,

664
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: because he was like, gages are for suckers, and so

665
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: everyone's just like.

666
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 3: Oh, that's craztastic.

667
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 2: And so the second part of the demonstration involved a

668
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 2: rotating iron globe that was like suspended on this axle

669
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: and connected by pulley and belting to a small bandsaw,

670
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: and the globe is set in motion, the saw starts up,

671
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,920
Speaker 2: it cuts through several inches of planking and so like

672
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 2: non scientists were like, that's crazy, that's pretty impressive.

673
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: It's an engine and.

674
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 2: But it but then the Times reporter noted, there's like

675
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: a big limitation here. So the period during which any

676
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: actual work was performed and he sawing, including both the

677
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 2: weightlifting and a sawing, was like twenty minutes in total,

678
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: and that was within a session that took up three

679
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 2: and a half hours of set up, adjustment, explanation, fussing.

680
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: But an ordinary small gas engine would have cut through

681
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: that wood like butter in those twenty minutes.

682
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Diesel has already shown them.

683
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, look so, And twenty two thousand pounds per square

684
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 2: inch should have been capable of way more mechanical output

685
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 2: than cutting through a couple pieces of wood. So all

686
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,400
Speaker 2: the audience got was basically a spinning globe cutting a

687
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,919
Speaker 2: little piece of wood over less than half an hour,

688
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: scattered across a three and a half hour performance.

689
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 3: I hope they got like refreshments.

690
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: I know, I hope so too. Okay, so I'm going

691
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 2: to take a pause here when we come back refreshments,

692
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 2: We're gonna stick with this demonstration.

693
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:44,359
Speaker 3: I got to see where this goes.

694
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 2: So we're back in the in the lab. We're in

695
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 2: the workshop.

696
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 3: This is so smacking of our modern AI and whatever

697
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: we are Internet three point zero four point h I

698
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 3: don't know if I've lost track, but the whole musk like, oh,

699
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: welcome to the also Zuckerberg's welcome to the metaverse. No,

700
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 3: you ignore the metaverse now, it's about AI, you know,

701
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: like it's all these guys. Just keep it moving here's

702
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: the new thing. Does it do anything anybody wants? Nobody

703
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: was about to next week, could.

704
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: If it wanted to. So we just saw the band

705
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 2: saw that took for a weightlifting Okay, so we had

706
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,799
Speaker 2: that rotating globe. That's what Kelly was calling the engine.

707
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 2: It was like stopped and started a bunch of times

708
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 2: during the demonstration. The Times reporter was like, you know,

709
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 2: it looks like the globe seems to operate on like

710
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 2: a compressed material that's depleting. This isn't one of those,

711
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, perpetual motion machines. He's like, how about you

712
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:04,120
Speaker 2: run this thing continuously for half an hour without interruption.

713
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: Don't touch it and don't attach the bandsaw or anything

714
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,280
Speaker 2: else to it. Just let it rotate. That'd be cool.

715
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 2: And so the reporters being clever, there's minimal friction. It

716
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 2: requires little power to rotate. If the force was available

717
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 2: was as abundant as Keiley said it was, then it

718
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: should you know, there should be no problems. It's in

719
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 2: that thing for thirty minutes, thirty hours. So the stockholders

720
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 2: in the audience they got a little worried about it.

721
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: But Keiley's like, okay, yeah, we'll do it well. I

722
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 2: think they thought, well, if he doesn't agree, and then

723
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 2: they put it in the paper. So the globe rotated

724
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 2: for twelve minutes a little over that and then and

725
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 2: kept consistently slowing, and then Kelley reached out and stopped

726
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: it before it petered out in front of everybody. Because

727
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: like the power source was finite, it was probably conpressed

728
00:40:55,200 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 2: gas like a genuine etheric vapor generator. It used force

729
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: from water and airs claimed would have only grown in

730
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: capacity the way he had been trying to describe it.

731
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 3: He has like a balloon pushing like a you know,

732
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 3: like a radial mill, you know, yes, and it's running out.

733
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 2: It's running out exactly. So the mechanical engineer who attended

734
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 2: that demonstration made his opinion available to the reporter for

735
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 2: the Times. He was straight up, He's like, this is

736
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: a fraud. So his professional judgment, based on familiarity with

737
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 2: machinery and pressure systems, matched what Lieutenant Zelensky had reached.

738
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 2: He was like, this is compressed air. It's so inconsistent

739
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:39,960
Speaker 2: with this force that he claims to have discovered.

740
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 3: This is literally hot air.

741
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 2: Stockholders and company officers, though they loved the demonstration, they

742
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,400
Speaker 2: applauded at the end. I mean they weren't stupid people.

743
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: These are like businessmen, investors. They had put so much

744
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 2: money into.

745
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: It, and that's what it costs fallacy.

746
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what colored their need for it to succeed.

747
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,959
Speaker 2: So the applause was the applause of people for whom

748
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: the alternative to being impressed was just like, you can't.

749
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: I don't want to even think about that.

750
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:07,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is too much. And also it's like the

751
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 3: parents when like their child doesn't mess up the lines

752
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,800
Speaker 3: in the school play.

753
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crillian. I love the end of the New

754
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 2: York Times article about this whole debacle. I'm going to

755
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 2: read it to you. Quote. Before the party dispersed, there

756
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 2: came in a reporter who, having fallen sick while the

757
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 2: trials were in progress, had not been able to follow

758
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: the drift of them. He applied to Keighley to have

759
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 2: the thing explained to him, and Keighley answered, quote, it

760
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: is an elaboration of interatomic ether by vibration. The atomic

761
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: ether vibrates all around the molecules of matter. There is

762
00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 2: a magnetic force attached to it at the same time,

763
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 2: and it assimilates with the molecular atomic aggregations that is,

764
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 2: assimilates with a certain attractive force that is hard to

765
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:01,840
Speaker 2: tell what it is. I call it vibratory negative. It

766
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: does not act like a magnet draws metal toward it.

767
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: There's a certain magnetic effect about it that causes it

768
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: to adhere by vibratory rotation to different forms of matter,

769
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 2: that is, the molecular atomic etheric and ether etheric. The

770
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: impulse is given by metallic impulses, the rotary power that

771
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: is formed by ethereal vibration, that is, that is the

772
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 2: force that holds it in position. And the reporter went

773
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: his way wondering, quote.

774
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 3: There was so many words. He's basically saying, it's zero

775
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 3: point energy. But ether magnets.

776
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 2: Sounds so much like when Elon Musk bss his way

777
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 2: through an interview about space or Grock or.

778
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 3: Why we should be on Mars and going to get

779
00:43:50,200 --> 00:43:53,040
Speaker 3: us there, or like how in the future economy it's

780
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,720
Speaker 3: going to be so abundant, nobody's gonna have to do anything.

781
00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 3: We're gonna have.

782
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 2: There's there's elements that he like, you know, with power

783
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 2: and energy and like you know, all these things in

784
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 2: space that he doesn't take into account.

785
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Well, like when you want to have the

786
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 3: data centers like in space, You're like, well, what about

787
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 3: the heat? Yes, you can't dissipate the heat. He's like,

788
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: oh you can't. They can come up with a heat sinc.

789
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,759
Speaker 3: That will work on it, Like am I, and he does.

790
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: This's going to be in the ether.

791
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 2: It's in the ether. So he's a con man of science. Keeley,

792
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 2: Oh him, but he and he's about to get his

793
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 2: at least a little bit. In eighteen eighty eight, a

794
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 2: former business partner named Bennett Wilson sued him. He said

795
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:42,800
Speaker 2: that back in eighteen sixty three he fronted Keeley's original

796
00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:46,880
Speaker 2: efforts at making the signature Vibe motor okay, and Keighley

797
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 2: was like, yeah, you know what, I'll cut you in.

798
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 2: Keeley had not, and so Wilson wanted the court to

799
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 2: make Keeley show all the parts and processes in the motor.

800
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 2: So we're doing this again, like going to court, like

801
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:00,040
Speaker 2: show us how this works.

802
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 3: Does he have patents at this point?

803
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:06,919
Speaker 2: No, he wants research, schematics, prove it all up that

804
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 2: this is what Wilson was in on back of the day.

805
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 2: He wants full disclosure Keighley stalled the inspection over and

806
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 2: over and avoided it completely and then gets found in

807
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 2: contempt of court. So he refused to disclose the principles

808
00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: underlying the machine. So they sent him to uh moyementcing

809
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: prison in Philadelphia.

810
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: Got himself lockdown.

811
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: He was only there for a couple of days because

812
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:35,000
Speaker 2: then missus Bloomfield More remember her, and then other supporters

813
00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: they rallied to his defense. They sprung him out. There

814
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: was also the problem that the court didn't have a

815
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:45,320
Speaker 2: clear mechanism to compel a man to explain a physical

816
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,839
Speaker 2: principle he claimed to understand only intuitively.

817
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 3: Oh sure, but that was Can you try writing it down?

818
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? But no, but has you got a field?

819
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,439
Speaker 3: How do I write down? In Oora and.

820
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 2: Keiley, he saw his imprisonment as like this martyrdom o god,

821
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 2: and it was evidence that he is a visionary and

822
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 2: he's being persecuted by those who have too small of

823
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: a brain. You don't understand my genius.

824
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 3: I'm the future and people are troggling.

825
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: So bloomfield More, She's like, yes, he's a martyr. She

826
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 2: looked for support, so she reached out to Thomas Edison

827
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 2: and Nicola Tesla's.

828
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: Oh god, both of them would hate this.

829
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 2: Well, They're like, please come and examine his inventions, and

830
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,400
Speaker 2: both of them were like, uh, we're going to pass.

831
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 3: Yeah hard no interesting, I want no association in a

832
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 3: news story with him.

833
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like, you know, I'm busy, I'm I'm would

834
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: have been something else on my schedule. So if they

835
00:46:45,960 --> 00:46:48,279
Speaker 2: couldn't get scientific support, at least they could try and

836
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 2: get money. So Bloomfield Moore took Keighley and went to

837
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,719
Speaker 2: New York and they met No, they met with none

838
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 2: other than John Jacob Astor the four.

839
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:57,839
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go.

840
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 2: Get to a Robert Barres, ultimate wealthy saw one of

841
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 2: a major moneyed family. He was at one time the

842
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: richest man in the world, and then he died in

843
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: the sinking of the Titanic. Oops oopsie. But before that happened,

844
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: he bought into the Kili Motor Company.

845
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,440
Speaker 3: If I'm not mistaken, he actually did do a decent

846
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 3: thing when he died on the Titanic, where he like

847
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 3: let other people go if I remember correctly, and he

848
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: wanted to stay behind. You know, he was saying, I'm

849
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:21,760
Speaker 3: not going to let it be said that an Astor

850
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 3: shot the spot of a woman or a child.

851
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, remember, don't let me, you know, slam to him.

852
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 2: So like he gets this new infusion of cash. They

853
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 2: are all these phony demonstrations and pitches to follow. His

854
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 2: supporters went to bat for him over and over and over,

855
00:47:38,840 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 2: but they were growing weary. Even Bloomfield more she got

856
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: tired of the stalling and the refusals for inspection. She

857
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 2: didn't cut him off, though, she just like reduced his

858
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 2: monthly stipend.

859
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 3: He was too tall to cut off. I think I

860
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:53,640
Speaker 3: wanted to work.

861
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,040
Speaker 2: So by the eighteen nineties he had pretty much abandoned

862
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 2: the language of hydraulic and moved into a more explicitly

863
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: mystical realm. He talked about quote sympathetic vibratory physics, and

864
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: he described a theoretical universe of interconnected resonances that drew

865
00:48:14,200 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: on Pythagorean, harmonic, Hindu mystical thought and the writings of theosophist.

866
00:48:23,120 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 3: And also because spiritualism that's also be a backdrop right

867
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: this time.

868
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,319
Speaker 2: So this was but this was on purpose because he

869
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 2: found that the theosophical movement of the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties,

870
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 2: they were ready to accept the existence of hidden forces

871
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 2: unknown conventional science.

872
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 3: So they were big into that they were early WU.

873
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 2: Right, So what is this theosophical movement? It was the

874
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 2: Theosophical Society was founded in New York in eighteen seventy

875
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 2: five by Helena Petrovna Blovotsky, Russian born occultist mystic, and

876
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 2: then as well Henry Steel all caught. He was an

877
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 2: American lawyer and journalist. So their central claim was that

878
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 2: beneath the surface of all the world's religious traditions was

879
00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 2: just a single, universal, ancient wisdom. Theosophists called it the

880
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: quote perennial philosophy or the ancient wisdom tradition. So Blavotsky

881
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: argued that this hidden knowledge had been preserved across millennia

882
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: by a brotherhood of advanced spiritual masters who she called

883
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:33,080
Speaker 2: Mahatmas or masters, and they all live pretty much in Tibet,

884
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 2: and she said that she's like, I write directly to

885
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 2: the Guide my writings. So theosophy drew eclectically on Hinduism, Buddhism,

886
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:57,839
Speaker 2: uh Neo Platonism, her Meticism, basically Western esoteric. So they

887
00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 2: blended all these together into a system that put forward

888
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:06,280
Speaker 2: the existence of hidden laws of nature inaccessible to materialist science,

889
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: and the spiritual evolution of the soul, all these reincarnations

890
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 2: a cosmic hierarchy.

891
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:14,880
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

892
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think maybe we should like get in on

893
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 2: it and sell her on it, because that's like a

894
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 2: less poisonous doctor philosophy.

895
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's do it. Bring it.

896
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,600
Speaker 2: So this spread like huge in the eighteen eighties eighteen nineties,

897
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 2: and there was incredible membership. Intellectuals are seekers, people who

898
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: were dissatisfied with like orthodox Christianity and then also the

899
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,440
Speaker 2: hard materialism of contemporary science.

900
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 3: You can still find it today. I have friends who

901
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: have like you know, used it or adjacent or inspired

902
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:49,879
Speaker 3: by Yeah.

903
00:50:49,960 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it was you know where it had it

904
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: took a foothold, was in Ireland, and it shaped the

905
00:50:54,920 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 2: mystical interests of W. B. Yates Whiting that. Yeah, So

906
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 2: Blavatsky herself, she expressed an interest in Keeley's work, and

907
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 2: her publications talked about his claims like pretty sympathetically. Keighley

908
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,800
Speaker 2: was seen as a man who had accessed hidden natural

909
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 2: forces through this like intuitive spiritual attainment instead of boring

910
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:21,279
Speaker 2: scientific man.

911
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 3: Loved because he couldn't express it.

912
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,000
Speaker 2: Yes, this totally worked for Keeley because like it made

913
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 2: it out that he refused to submit to scientific investigation

914
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 2: as a spiritual necessity. That's not fraud. I need this.

915
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 2: I am protecting the vibe. So it all had to

916
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 2: come to an end at some point, and that end

917
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 2: was actually the end of John Ernst World Keiey. He

918
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 2: died on November eighteenth, eighteen ninety eight, in Philadelphia. He

919
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 2: was sixty one years old. He the full run, Yeah,

920
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 2: pneumonia and then out. So he died without having produced

921
00:51:56,400 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 2: a commercially operational machine. He died with having demonstrated his

922
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: principles under conditions acceptable to independent scientific investigation. And he

923
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 2: died having consumed tens of millions of dollars in investor funds. Yes,

924
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: over a quarter century, he promises, the huckster dream.

925
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, he never had to really, other than those few

926
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 3: days where he was incarcerated, He never really had to

927
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 3: pay up, you know, face justice.

928
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: The reaction among his supporters was just grief. They were bereft,

929
00:52:26,120 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 2: but in some cases great men, and they're like, you

930
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 2: know what, the secrets died with him, of course, and

931
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 2: that's such a shame. But then among the skeptics, they're

932
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,439
Speaker 2: like full of anticipation.

933
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,960
Speaker 3: Let me get the notebooks.

934
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Within weeks of his death, the scientific and journalistic

935
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: communities like descended to see what he left behind.

936
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 3: The ancient James Randys.

937
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

938
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 3: Yes.

939
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: So the results were reported in detail in the Philadelphia

940
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 2: Press newspaper. They sent investigators to examine the workshop at

941
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 2: fourteen twenty two North twentieth Street. What they found totally

942
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: dismantled the entire edifice of all his claim discoveries. The

943
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 2: building had this really super complex concealed hydraulic pressure system

944
00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 2: built into it. Under the floorboards, they found a system

945
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 2: of tubes. Not the Internet, just another system of tubes

946
00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 2: connected to a large sphere of compressed water or air

947
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,480
Speaker 2: buried in the basement, and those tubes ran through the

948
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: walls and the floors to connect to all these various

949
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 2: machines they supplied the power that had driven all the demonstrations,

950
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: just a huge air compressor under the house. The gauges

951
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: that had registered all the huge pressures. They were connected

952
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 2: to the concealed reservoir rather than any energy released by

953
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 2: the machines themselves.

954
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 3: Oh that's smart.

955
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:50,799
Speaker 2: The globe motor that looked like it was spinning by

956
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: the power of vibe sure that contained a secret compartment

957
00:53:54,600 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 2: that had a small motor in it that was also

958
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:02,120
Speaker 2: powered by compressed air. The iron sphere that he once

959
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: said had restrained teams of horses that was connected to

960
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 2: the same network. Even the like he had this apparently

961
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: spontaneous levitation of weights that he would do and bending

962
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,680
Speaker 2: of metal bars. They could trace that all to mechanical

963
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: connections and you know, hidden stuff.

964
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 3: So he was still using the traditional heat beaten treat.

965
00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 2: Yes, the investigators found false floors, hidden panels, pipes, involves

966
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,719
Speaker 2: all over the place. Is pretty a genius, it really is.

967
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,919
Speaker 2: And he but and he hadn't just pulled off like simple.

968
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 3: Frauds like Wizard of Oz level of.

969
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 2: He spent decades engineering one of the most elaborate deceptions

970
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 2: in the history of American science. Like the work that

971
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 2: he had to put into that.

972
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,680
Speaker 3: I mean, he was actually scientifically gifted, just with.

973
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:55,319
Speaker 2: Precision, the sophistication, Like he had genuine mechanical ability. And

974
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: he wasn't ignorant. No, he just directed that mechanical ability

975
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 2: towards rather than the solution of any like real physical totally.

976
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 3: He kept old things and made them new by putting

977
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 3: them together.

978
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,959
Speaker 2: The scale of the hidden infrastructure also made it clear

979
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,560
Speaker 2: that the fraud was one hundred percent deliberate, rather than

980
00:55:13,600 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 2: being like, oh, he has this delusion and resort to trickery,

981
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 2: like no, this is this is from the ground, or

982
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:19,800
Speaker 2: he didn't.

983
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: He was It was intuition. He was working with a

984
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 3: belief and it turned out to be wrong and he

985
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,279
Speaker 3: wanted to make it right. No, this is very much.

986
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 2: None of the investors ever received any return on their investment, obviously,

987
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:33,440
Speaker 2: and there were no assets to the Kili Motor Company

988
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 2: beyond the financial losses. The whole thing really damaged the

989
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: culture of Americans speculative investment in scientific credibility at the time.

990
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:44,600
Speaker 2: That's going to say, we do it now.

991
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:48,240
Speaker 3: That's like how Tesla got screwed his guys like him.

992
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,839
Speaker 2: So, you know, the willingness of really smart and well

993
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 2: educated people to get duped by his charad became this

994
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 2: cautionary tale for everyone, and it was cited in all

995
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 2: these discussions about scientific fraud and the psychology of con artists.

996
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 3: Mark Twain used to be suckered by people like this.

997
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: You know, he was.

998
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 2: Friends with It's miracle and wonder.

999
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you want something oscillating and shaking and doing

1000
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 3: all this stuff well.

1001
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 2: And it illustrated for people of the era, and it

1002
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 2: should do the same for people now. Like the trappings

1003
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 2: of technical complexity, Like when it's deployed by a really

1004
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:28,560
Speaker 2: skilled performer, you can disable critical thinking in folks who

1005
00:56:28,600 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 2: should know.

1006
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 3: Better, totally promise is blinding in that way.

1007
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, so Zaren, what's your ridiculous takeaway?

1008
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:38,280
Speaker 3: Like I would have loved if actually I'm just mentioned

1009
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: Mark Twain, if he would have gotten a chance to

1010
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,280
Speaker 3: see when he's exhibitions and then gotten like all excited

1011
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 3: about it, invested some of his money like he often did,

1012
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: lost it like he often did, and then wrote after

1013
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: the guy passed some scathing like his like letters of

1014
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 3: like you know, like his books about God and they

1015
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 3: were published posthumously where he just brought the heat something

1016
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,640
Speaker 3: like that, just for this guy, you know, the innocence

1017
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,360
Speaker 3: of broad level of like mockery of Hubris, but for

1018
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,960
Speaker 3: this guy. Yes, I would have loved that, just for

1019
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 3: the for the sake of Tesla, who I absolutely love

1020
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:14,279
Speaker 3: as like one of these figures at this time, who

1021
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,880
Speaker 3: I get so mad, how screwed. He was either by

1022
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:21,240
Speaker 3: short sighted, greedy or Charlatan's like what's yours? Elizabeth?

1023
00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:23,720
Speaker 2: My takeaway is that we see this over and over

1024
00:57:23,960 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 2: of con artists who or crimers who have a skill

1025
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: and have a talent and use it in the wrong way,

1026
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 2: like we see it with like forgers, where they're like,

1027
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,240
Speaker 2: you're a wonderful artist, why why do you come up

1028
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 2: with something else? And so here he spent all this

1029
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 2: time like fitting an entire building and rather than you know,

1030
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 2: because I think that when you have the confidence there,

1031
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 2: their confidence is false confidence and they're gaining the confidence

1032
00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 2: of others. They're building on something that exists. But it

1033
00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: is such a terrible, terrifying saying risk to go out

1034
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: on your own and try something that may that may fail.

1035
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 2: So as a painter, you know you could paint it

1036
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 2: and no one sees what you see. You know, you

1037
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: and I know it. As writers, and you write something

1038
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 2: that you really resonates with with you and you put

1039
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: it out there and if it's it hurts when people

1040
00:58:16,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 2: don't get it, or if it just falls, you know,

1041
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 2: it fails, And so I can see, like I just

1042
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: think it's really interesting the amount of time that these

1043
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 2: people put into their cons.

1044
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, the amount of time he spent just like

1045
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 3: shining the copper.

1046
00:58:29,600 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, the copper shining alone. With that said, I Dave,

1047
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 2: if it's okay with you, I'd like a talkback.

1048
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 3: I would be delighted. Oh my god, I went cheat.

1049
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: Hey, Saron, this is actually just for the lady host

1050
00:58:54,960 --> 00:58:55,520
Speaker 1: this time.

1051
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 2: This is Laura and I need some TV recommendations from

1052
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 2: somebody who.

1053
00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: Doesn't watch TV as much as I don't watch TV.

1054
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:08,280
Speaker 4: I just got brit Box and I really liked Ludwig

1055
00:59:08,400 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 4: and the Cleaner.

1056
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: So if you have any recommendations, Lady Host.

1057
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: I would love to hear them. Love you guys. Bye,

1058
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,200
Speaker 2: totally fair enough, I gotcha, I gotcha. Okay, So brit

1059
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Box Shetland. If you haven't watched Shetland, I think it's

1060
00:59:22,120 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 2: like season ten now. It's great. It's very contemplative and

1061
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:30,479
Speaker 2: a little slow, as Zarin would say, but I love

1062
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: I love Shetland. And then moving out of you know

1063
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: what I'm really into right now is Paradise on Hulu.

1064
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 2: Great show. Season two is going on. And then the

1065
00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: other thing that I watch on the regular right now,

1066
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 2: aside from the hit ABC show, nine one one, but

1067
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 2: not nine to one in Nashville because it's I couldn't

1068
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 2: make through the first episode is ru Paul's Drag Race.

1069
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 2: It's really good this season and I'm all about Jane

1070
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: don't so anyway, those are my recommendations. There was all

1071
01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 2: so another one on britt Box recently with the guy

1072
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,440
Speaker 2: who was in Wire in the Blood and you probably

1073
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:09,160
Speaker 2: know what I'm talking about anyway. I think it was

1074
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:11,400
Speaker 2: like a one off. Check that one out too. It's

1075
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 2: super good bye. People know what I'm talking about. That's

1076
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 2: it for today. You can find us online at ridiculous

1077
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: Crime dot com. We're also at Ridiculous Crime on both

1078
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Speaker 2: Blue Sky and Instagram, and we're on YouTube at ridiculous

1079
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,560
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1080
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 2: gmail dot com. You may or may not get an answer,

1081
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 2: likely won't, but we still love you. Leave us a

1082
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: talkback on the iHeart app. I can also make other

1083
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:43,520
Speaker 2: music recommendations, cookbook recommendations, or just maybe don't ever ask

1084
01:00:43,560 --> 01:00:47,280
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1086
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 2: Ridiculous Crime is hosted by Elizabeth Dunton and Zarah Burnette,

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Speaker 2: produced and edited by Perpetual Motion Machine Dave Cousten starring

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Speaker 2: Annals Rutger as Judas. Research is by vibologist Marissa Brown

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Speaker 2: and Magic bandsaw peddler Jabbari Davis. The theme song is

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Speaker 2: by air Compressor salesman Thomas Lee and Mystified investor Travis Duck.

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Speaker 2: Post wardrobe is provided by Botany five hundred. Guest hair

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Speaker 2: and makeup by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are

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Speaker 2: Hydro Pneumatic pulsating VACUUO engine technician Ben Bollen and vibratory

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Speaker 2: generator No Brown.

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Speaker 3: Ridicus Crime Say It One More Timequous Crime.

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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio four more Podcasts.

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Speaker 1: My heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or

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Speaker 1: wherever you listen to your favorite shows.