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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a bizarre twist and a

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Speaker 1: mainline missing mom mystery, new Washrags, Google Translate, a missing

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Speaker 1: tarp tonight, Where's Anna?

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Speaker 2: I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. I want to thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us.

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Speaker 3: A mother vanishes, a phone left on the kitchen table,

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Speaker 3: and a birthday text with one strange mistake.

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Speaker 2: Good evening. I'm Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: How is it that this beautiful young mom of a

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Speaker 1: little four year old boy seemingly vanishes into thin air?

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Speaker 1: First of all, who is Anna Masiska?

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Speaker 4: Anna Mashayevska arrives to continue her education at the University

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Speaker 4: of Louisville, holding two bachelor's degrees for mathematics and computer science,

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Speaker 4: specializing in actuarial mathematics. Anna begins working in finance at

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Speaker 4: ing later Voya Financial and Westchester, Pennsylvania. On a meets

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Speaker 4: Allan Gould during a ski trip and really hit it off.

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Speaker 4: After dating two years, the couple gets married twice in

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Speaker 4: ninety days, first a civil ceremony followed by a Catholic

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Speaker 4: Mass with Anna Mashaevska's family and friends on the designs

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Speaker 4: of European style farmhouse beautiful and unique in they're upscale

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Speaker 2: Good gravy.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm never going to complain about my morning

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Speaker 1: chores again before I go to work. Let's see, let

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Speaker 1: me go straight out to Joe Holden joining US Chief

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter anchor, CBS News Philadelphia. Joe hold On, let

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Speaker 1: me just check this out. What I just heard about Anna?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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Speaker 1: So she starts University Louisville that's in Kentucky. She has

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Speaker 1: two pastor's degrees from mathematics and computer science, specializing in

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Speaker 1: actuarial mathematics. Then she starts working in finance at I

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Speaker 1: in g later at Voya Financial. And in the middle

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Speaker 1: of all this she designs their dream home, which is

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Speaker 1: a European style farmhouse.

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Speaker 2: What did I am I missing anything?

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Speaker 5: You're right on, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: And in fact, this is a really special neighborhood on

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Speaker 5: They like their privacy.

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Speaker 1: Whoa, whoa, Wait a minute, Joe Holden, I know what

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Speaker 1: that means. I've traveled every square inch of Atlanta and

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Speaker 1: are a lot of rich people in there and they

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Speaker 2: They have like gated communities.

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Speaker 1: And those big wrought iron and fences you have to

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Speaker 1: have a keypad to get through. And another thing, I

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Speaker 1: city Philly. From the main Line. I just got very

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Speaker 1: Ellen Greenberg murder, which was called a suicide BS.

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Speaker 2: No, it will so, yeah, but could you explain to

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Speaker 2: everybody else what is the main Line?

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Speaker 6: So the main Line starts in Overbrook Farms, just west

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Speaker 6: in Philadelphia, and it actually follows the old Pennsylvania Railroad

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Speaker 6: and along all of these towns and communities you are talking.

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Speaker 6: Exclusive places to live are more brnmar Villanova, rosemont Aoli,

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Speaker 6: and then we get to Malvern where Anna Mashashski Masashska

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think as so much as a place,

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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, it's it's a way of thinking. The main line,

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Speaker 1: if you're if you live there, you're extremely privileged.

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Speaker 2: You may or may not know that.

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Speaker 1: And if you don't live there, a lot of people

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Speaker 6: Now, you say that automatically sets the tone for what

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember taking the train. Okay, he didn't

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Speaker 1: That's the way they say, ard more and I got

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Speaker 1: as you're rolling along on the train you see one

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Speaker 2: But they're the super elite rich.

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Speaker 1: Now I want to talk forget about whose dad and

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about this woman Anna.

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Speaker 1: Actuarial science, a field using statistical and mathematical methods to

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Speaker 2: That's what's going on in her brain. She's brilliant. So

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Speaker 2: how did she know how to design their dream home?

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that? How do you just suddenly decide

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Speaker 5: Nancy.

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Speaker 6: She's a woman of incredible means and well educated and

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Speaker 6: certainly had degrees to back up a brain of analysis.

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Speaker 6: And what brought her to that area of Philadelphia We

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Speaker 6: are still digging what brought Anna Mashasska to Charlestown Township, Malvern,

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Speaker 6: Chester County. She designs her own home. It's the story

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Speaker 6: of dreams. It is the way of people coming to

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Speaker 5: This is a dream life. This is how she built

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Speaker 6: Everything seemed to be in place, and there's her ally

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Speaker 2: Boy, that's one way of putting it.

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Speaker 1: But you know, doctor Angela Arnold, a renowned psychiatrist joining

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Speaker 2: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.

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Speaker 1: The real jewel in her crown, in Anna's crown is

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Speaker 1: having that baby. Boy, she had one child, and that

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Speaker 1: seemed to I mean, she continued to do some very

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Speaker 2: But it was the baby. The baby was the jewel.

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Speaker 7: It is in every mother's crown. It doesn't matter what

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Speaker 7: we do, does it, Nancy. It doesn't matter what you

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Speaker 7: do as a woman. The baby always takes precedence. And

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Speaker 7: it does sound like she's a very smart woman. It

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Speaker 1: Yeah, doctor, and I'm not even really sure what a

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Speaker 2: It was in her DNA listen.

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Speaker 3: Anna and Alan welcome their first child, a son. It

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Speaker 4: The marriage was faltering as Gould refuses to allow their

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Speaker 1: News Philadelphia. Joe, she was just Jackie just pulled up

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Speaker 1: a shot from me of a European farmhouse.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Was very, very important to her. As a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: You know we glossed over the wedding, But they had

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Speaker 6: Things were apparently unraveling in this woman's life that she

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Speaker 1: You know, I want to follow up on what Joe

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Speaker 1: Holden just said. And Joe, please, you know this story

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Speaker 2: Okay, the two of them.

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Speaker 1: Anna and husband Gould had gotten along perfectly well, all right,

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Speaker 1: Then comes the baby. You know what to Mark Tate,

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Speaker 1: the Woods, Mark Tate, trial lawyer with the Tate Law Group,

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Speaker 2: Right, had an argument.

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Speaker 1: And we've known each other a long time Tate, until

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Speaker 8: She thought that Alan was spoiling him, and she specifically

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Speaker 8: for I Guess her divorce coaching, that he can't have

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Speaker 8: She said that Alan wasn't supporting her, that he wasn't

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Speaker 2: And so is that you're right, Mark Tate.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they fought, and doctor Angela Arnold it may sound

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Speaker 2: A small thing.

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Speaker 1: She wanted him to have Pola sausage and not pastries

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Speaker 2: You know what I make John David.

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Speaker 1: Now, Lucy makes her own instag gram beautiful organic y

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Speaker 2: But I make John David a full on, healthy breakfast.

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Speaker 7: Well, Nancy, we were painting a picture of a woman

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Speaker 7: She's a very smart woman. She works in actuarial tables.

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Speaker 2: But it's surprisingly ban it's Gibbons. Let me jump off

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Speaker 1: Operations uspip A Nationwide Security. I'm going to ask you

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Speaker 2: Anything but a domestic.

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Speaker 1: It's like sticking your hand in between two rotweilers fighting, Right,

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Speaker 5: Certainly, Nancy, in what we hear.

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Speaker 9: What we have here is a massive amount of information

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Speaker 9: Anna's action, her scheduled actions, and her communications with friends

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can say serious trouble when the wife is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a problem.

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Speaker 3: Anna Machieska's routine stopped cold one spring morning, and the

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Speaker 2: That's called routine evidence.

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Speaker 1: Now that it is typical routine, it's evidence of someone's

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Speaker 1: Why now, Okay, this is where I believe it all

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Speaker 4: Listen, taking a trip to Poland to visit her father

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Speaker 1: Barney joining US for in Pennsylvania State Trooper first Class.

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Speaker 2: He's also proficient in.

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Speaker 1: Computer crime Investigation's Chief Technical Officer for pat Tech Digital

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Speaker 1: Forensics US VET of Operation Desert Storm. I just had

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Speaker 1: to add that in Bard. But Bard, let me talk

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Speaker 2: That's never happened.

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: There are those people that never ever miss work, whether

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Speaker 1: A stomach virus lasts six days for a woman that

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Speaker 10: Well, the thing about it is that people are creatures

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Speaker 11: And that's obviously what they did for her. Look into

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Speaker 1: Well, you're right, and this was significant because she was

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Speaker 1: Then this text message, okay stomach virus, joining me an

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Speaker 1: right now, Mark Tate, you better buckle your seat belt

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Speaker 1: listen to this.

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Speaker 12: Co workers are concerned that Anna has not been communicating,

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Speaker 12: April tenth, the coworker calls the state police. An officer

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Speaker 1: Okay, got a problem right there.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: Co workers are the ones that call nine one one

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Speaker 2: Home, and he leaves. He splits and that's that.

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Speaker 5: That's that for that day.

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Speaker 6: She was lucky to have a persistent group of co

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Speaker 5: Get back there, find out.

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Speaker 2: Man, you're not kidding. So what's that all about? Bard?

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Speaker 2: Why did the guy just leave?

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Speaker 1: I mean, we've got workers saying we think she's missing.

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Speaker 10: I can't put myself in his position, But if an

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to give the officer the benefit of

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Speaker 2: But I have a problem when they know a woman

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Speaker 1: I mean for allin as she's tied up gagged in

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Speaker 13: The defendant wasn't the first person to report his own

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Speaker 2: Twenty eighth, from our friends at NBC ten Philly. Back

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Speaker 2: out to Joe Holden. So let me understand this.

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Speaker 1: The co worker Brad Dousler from Voya calls the husband

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Speaker 5: What are you talking about? This important meeting?

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Speaker 5: Where's that date?

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Speaker 1: And can't your phone update? Why are you driving to work?

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Speaker 9: And how many times have we seen this, Nancy? In

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Speaker 5: To the police. You know this update.

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Speaker 4: update status mode as if it had been reset. Gould

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00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 4: tells police Anna was updating her phone the morning she

448
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 4: went missing. The update was taking too long to finish,

449
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 4: so Anna left the phone at home when she went

450
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Speaker 4: to work.

451
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Speaker 3: Divorce papers, a car parked miles from home, and a

452
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Speaker 3: digital trail that raised more questions than answers. Goule tells

453
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Speaker 3: police that he and Anna have a strong marriage, a

454
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Speaker 3: wonderful son, and.

455
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Speaker 4: A great life.

456
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Speaker 3: Anna's belongings to are left at the home, except for

457
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 3: her car keys. The blue out e she drives is

458
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 3: also missing. As police look around the home, they find

459
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 3: divorce paperwork and find out that Anna was taking a

460
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:12,879
Speaker 3: divorce one oh one class to.

461
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Speaker 1: Joe Holden, joining US chief investigative reporter and anchor CBS

462
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Speaker 1: News Philly, Joe, what all did police find.

463
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: When they went to speak to the husband.

464
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Speaker 5: So they found interesting circumstances.

465
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,679
Speaker 6: They found a man who was really not in a

466
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 6: state of where's my wife?

467
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Speaker 5: She's been missing now for well, let's put it this way.

468
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Speaker 5: The backstory.

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Speaker 6: We know she was last seen, according to prosecutors, in

470
00:25:39,760 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 6: late March, the twenty eighth to twenty ninth of March,

471
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Speaker 6: when her life came to a sudden stop. You would

472
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Speaker 6: think police arrived to find a man who is desperate

473
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:52,440
Speaker 6: and distraught. No, he's flat. In fact, his first interaction

474
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Speaker 6: with state police there in Pennsylvania was when he called

475
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 6: nine to one one to report her missing the day

476
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Speaker 6: the day after colleagues had called state police to ride

477
00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:07,159
Speaker 6: them to keep on tabs with this, and Alan Gould,

478
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 6: in a conversation with a dispatcher, presses them, how long

479
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:13,639
Speaker 6: is this going to take? When's the state trooper coming?

480
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:16,639
Speaker 6: Do I have to wait around for this? And it

481
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 6: goes on and on. Here's the chat log, here's the

482
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,000
Speaker 6: phone call, here's the conversation. It goes on for a

483
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Speaker 6: page and a half of Alan Gould pressing state police

484
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 6: how long? How much time are you going to take?

485
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Speaker 6: And getting this done?

486
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Speaker 1: But then the plot thickens and the husband lawyers.

487
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 12: Up, Gould hires an attorney, and is less than helpful

488
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 12: in trying to find his missing wife. Investigators are contacted

489
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 12: by Anna's family in Poland through a local man from

490
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Speaker 12: Warsaw who has regular contact with them. Anna was supposed

491
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Speaker 12: to come to Warsaw to visit her father on his birthday,

492
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Speaker 12: but she didn't come and didn't explain. She sent a

493
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Speaker 12: text message that she wasn't coming, and his parents say.

494
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Speaker 12: What really bothered them is a suspicious text message that

495
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Speaker 12: was sent for and his phone to her father on

496
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Speaker 12: March thirtieth.

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Speaker 1: Now the family her family in Poland learned through a

498
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,879
Speaker 1: local man from Warsaw, Anna was supposed to come to

499
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:15,080
Speaker 1: Warsaw and visit, but she didn't come and didn't explain. Instead,

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00:27:15,200 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: she sends a text she's not coming. They found this

501
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: text to be very suspicious.

502
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Speaker 13: But why On March thirtieth, Anna, who spoke perfect Polish

503
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 13: because she grew up in Poland, sent a text message

504
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 13: to her father on that day wishing him a happy birthday.

505
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 13: The problem is the Polish grammar doesn't make sense.

506
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,360
Speaker 4: The suspicious text message sent from Anna's phone to her

507
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,919
Speaker 4: father in Poland was a birthday greeting. The suspicious part

508
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,959
Speaker 4: is it was written in Polish but contained grammatical layers.

509
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 4: Anna was born and raised in Poland and speaks perfect

510
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 4: Polish and doesn't talk or text using poor grammar. Investigators

511
00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 4: determined the same birthday message sent from on his phone

512
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,639
Speaker 4: was researched via Google Translate. Anna would have no need

513
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 4: for a Google Translate message, but investigators find the same

514
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 4: Google Translate birthday message printed out in Alan Goole Tome.

515
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 13: Someone had researched how to make that exact message via

516
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,760
Speaker 13: Google Translate, and I had no reason to use Google Translate.

517
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: That from our friends, say ky WTVCCBS Philadelphia, row Mark Tate,

518
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: somebody had to google how to say happy birthday.

519
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 2: Dad in Polish. They had to google with Google Translate.

520
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,160
Speaker 2: Don't you just hate when that happens?

521
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I think the notion here is that

522
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 8: the state's going to have to prove somehow that that

523
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 8: is evidence of murder, and they've got to prove this

524
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 8: beyond a reasonable doubt. And I believe right here on

525
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 8: your show, not three minutes ago, someone mentioned that it's

526
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,200
Speaker 8: always hard hard to know. I wrote it down, It's

527
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 8: always hard to know who said what and who did what?

528
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 8: And so we have a problem here with this case

529
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 8: because in addition to that Google Translate issue, we also

530
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 8: have texts from Anna that say, I don't want to

531
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 8: come home. I might go and hurt myself rather than

532
00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 8: rush home to you. We have her visiting suicide hotline

533
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 8: websites to talk about how to deal with people who

534
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 8: are contemplating suicide. We have instances where and we know

535
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 8: she's had statements in her medical records as well as

536
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 8: a text that she had a miscarriage what in October

537
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 8: prior to her going missing, and she was very depressed

538
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 8: about that. She searched about depression a lot and so minute.

539
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: So you're saying, first of all that there were texts

540
00:29:57,160 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: that Anna sent. Okay, let's just let that sink in

541
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: for a moment, about how depressed the suicidal she was.

542
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: Gee, I wonder who wrote those.

543
00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: And you're also stating that she was so depressed about

544
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: losing a baby to miscarriage that she would rather kill

545
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 1: herself and leave her four year old son behind to

546
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: what to be with the baby she miscarried. That's your

547
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,560
Speaker 1: reasoning spoken like a true man.

548
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 8: It's more nuanced than that, and So what it is

549
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 8: here is we have to figure out wre state of

550
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 8: Pennsylvania is going to be able to prove to twelve

551
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,680
Speaker 8: jurors beyond a reasonable doubt.

552
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 2: And remember you think that's new here, because I don't.

553
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: I do, I don't, And I think the same person

554
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,440
Speaker 1: that had to look up Google translate how do I

555
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 1: say happy birthday daddy and polish? The same person that

556
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: did that and send that freaky, grammatically imperfect message, the

557
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: same person did that, Sandy.

558
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 2: I'm so sad.

559
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill myself rather than come home to you

560
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: and my son.

561
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: That is the light of my life. Yeah, you just really.

562
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: Didn't your own grade with your teeth Tate.

563
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: No, No, the thing I can Okay, you know what, what,

564
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 2: go ahead.

565
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I can't believe there's no playbook

566
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: for grief.

567
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 2: I don't know.

568
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 8: I'm not going to say that. I wouldn't say that.

569
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:36,239
Speaker 5: I don't know.

570
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 8: I mean, I have no idea how he was going

571
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 8: to act. Clearly, this guy is a different kind of

572
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 8: criminal defendant who anticipated properly that he's going to need

573
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 8: a lawyer and an investigator.

574
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 5: Because you know, you.

575
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 8: Love to say it's always the husband or always the

576
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 8: spouse who kills the spouse.

577
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: You got that off a T shirt. I never said that. Oh,

578
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 2: that's exactly what you think.

579
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 8: We always look at the husband first.

580
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 2: Always.

581
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm glad you said clairvoyant Tate because

582
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: apparently this guy's clairvoyant, because before anybody said she's missing,

583
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: he researches criminal defense attorneys and in his home they

584
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: find a check written out. Okay, Joe Holden helped me

585
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: out here. Isn't it true that when police were at

586
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 1: the home just trying to gather some information, they find

587
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 1: a check to a criminal defense attorney that says for

588
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: defense if.

589
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 6: Needed, seventy five thousand dollars in the memo trial defense

590
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 6: if needed. Also googled and researched law firms in the

591
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 6: area and also other disappearance cases.

592
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 2: Could I please see Mark Tate's face. That's what he's

593
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 2: That's what.

594
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 5: He's supposed to do.

595
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 8: No, it's what he's supposed to do. He knows in

596
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 8: the area. Absolutely, he needs to figure out how he's

597
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 8: going to defend himself when he's going to be accused

598
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 8: of murdering his suicidal wife.

599
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: She did.

600
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what else.

601
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,720
Speaker 8: I think those searches she was doing about who is what,

602
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 8: in paternity, in alimony. I don't think she's searching to

603
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 8: figure out what she can get from him. Her income

604
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 8: was vastly greater than his, and she was concerned about

605
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 8: whether she's going to be paying him alimony.

606
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 5: So all of these are.

607
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 2: You saying that she not only made all the money,

608
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,960
Speaker 2: she was extremely frugal. And I love her clothes.

609
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: I dressed the same way, extremely frugal, And you can

610
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: tell from the pictures she spent no money on herself.

611
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: Everything was saved. So she makes all the money.

612
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: She designs the house, she raises the baby, she works

613
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: every day.

614
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 2: What is he doing kicking back, Well, he's delivering the

615
00:33:58,240 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: child swims murder mysteries.

616
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 8: He's delivering the child to swim lessons. He's taking the

617
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 8: child to school, getting him the wrong kind of breakfast,

618
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 8: and buying her to buying too many pumpkins. But the

619
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 8: fact is, but the fact of the matter is is

620
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 8: that she.

621
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Speaker 1: Hasn't one time swimming classes, tennis classes and then a movie.

622
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:20,840
Speaker 2: Hey was it a double feature?

623
00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: Because it was the same day she goes missing and

624
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: he needed an alibi.

625
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 8: Tait Well it's what he did, you know, So she'd

626
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 8: been sick for a week. He's taking care of the kid,

627
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 8: but he doesn't have to explain any of these things.

628
00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 8: It's the state of Pennsylvania. It's going to miss twelve people. Yeah,

629
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 8: means well else, she was sick for the week before,

630
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 8: she all she went to work on the morning of

631
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 8: the tenth apparently, and she thought just because nobody else

632
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 8: thinks these meetings are important to her, This lady is

633
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 8: a very exacting mathematics.

634
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: Never made it to work. Straighten him out, holding he.

635
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: Never didn't work.

636
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 5: But also we're talking about pattern here.

637
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 6: If you want to talk about which parent is really

638
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 6: involved in the child's life, let's talk about that Polish

639
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 6: school every Friday for more than a year and a half,

640
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 6: that's two hours from Charlestown Township over to Lakewood, New Jersey,

641
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 6: and all of a sudden, she's not doing that any longer.

642
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 6: And then here we see in these documents a plane

643
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 6: trip there, plane ticket to Warsaw for the dates of

644
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 6: March twenty eighth to April second, almost a thirty five

645
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 6: hundred dollars.

646
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 5: Ticket doesn't happen.

647
00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 6: And then in the paragraph above that is an email

648
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 6: the parents finally sent right to Anna saying please contact us.

649
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 5: We love you.

650
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 6: You can confide in us, you can tell us what's wrong.

651
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 6: That's April tenth. So now the thing is languishing. The

652
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 6: questions are building and stay. Police aren't getting anywhere a visit,

653
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 6: they don't answer, there's no one at the door, No

654
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 6: one comes to the door. And then the reports are

655
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,240
Speaker 6: made the day after, and then Alan Gold finally is approached,

656
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 6: calls nine to one one to make a report, and.

657
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 5: Well, things are flat. As someone else.

658
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 3: Said, neighbors begin putting up flyers have you seen Anna?

659
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,760
Speaker 3: Allen Lee coworker and friend sets up a Facebook page

660
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: finding Anna Mashieska and asks Alan Gould to help. He

661
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 3: tells her it's not a good idea and refuses to help.

662
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: Searches are conducted in the neighborhood by friends and co

663
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: workers of Anna.

664
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 4: Nearly four weeks after Anna vanished, her car is found

665
00:36:22,600 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 4: on May eighth and the Charlestown Meadows Overflow parking lot.

666
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 4: The car was found near the neighborhood walking trails in

667
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,879
Speaker 4: an area she did not live. Friends say the car

668
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 4: was found backed into a parking spot, not something on

669
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Speaker 4: it would do. Since Pennsylvania cars are not required to

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Speaker 4: have a front license plate, backing a car into a

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Speaker 4: space would prevent the license plate from being seen. Inmbreyville,

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Speaker 4: state troopers, search dogs and state police cadets performed a

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Speaker 4: search of the woods, neighborhoods and surrounding area of Charlestown Meadows.

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Speaker 1: So her car is found part batcave style, backed in

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Speaker 1: at an overflow parking a lot at a nearby ritzyat

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Speaker 1: there it is residential area. People in the neighborhood say

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Speaker 1: they don't know who she is. They've never met her,

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Speaker 1: so why was her car there? I understand her brother

679
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Speaker 1: in law, married to her sister flies in from Poland

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Speaker 1: from Warsaw to try to find her, and the husband Gould,

681
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:23,359
Speaker 1: refuses to meet with him. To Joe Holden joining us

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Speaker 1: CBS News Philly, what can you tell me about cadaver

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Speaker 1: dogs brought onto the home premises the whole area.

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Speaker 2: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 6: So the dog's name is Crados and after troopers set

686
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 6: him free, he showed alert behavior to human remains in

687
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 6: the area of the northeast corner of the property. They

688
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,040
Speaker 6: continue the search of that area and found the soil

689
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Speaker 6: to have been disturbed. They also found a small piece

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Speaker 6: of a tarp and burnt debris mixed into the soil.

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Speaker 1: The northeast part of Gold's property where the dream home is.

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Speaker 1: They find and I've used them ground penetrating radar. It

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Speaker 1: works great, kind of looks like a sonogram. And you

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Speaker 1: see the baby. You're looking at this and you.

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Speaker 2: See the disturbed soil.

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Speaker 1: They not only see it on the ground penetrating radar,

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00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: they see it with the naked eye that some of

698
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: the soil is disturbed on top of the ground and

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Speaker 1: that happens to be where the cadaver dog hits.

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Speaker 2: And not only that, they find bits of.

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Speaker 1: Charred something and part of eight blue tarp. Now, isn't

702
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Speaker 1: it true, Joe Holden that a while back, about a

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Speaker 1: year before, the husband buys three blue tarps at home depot.

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Speaker 1: Two of them are found in the home in the

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Speaker 1: home with search. One is missing. Isn't that true?

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Speaker 5: He has these tarps.

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Speaker 6: They're able to go back, They're able to research these purchases.

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Speaker 5: And there is h there were three. Now there's just two.

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Speaker 6: And to add to the search of that property with

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Speaker 6: the kidaver dog, there's a piece of up tarp, a

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00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 6: blue tarp found in that area where there's also burnt debris.

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Speaker 1: You know another thing that's really interesting to Glenn K. Bard,

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Speaker 1: former Pennsylvania state trooper, that the cleaning people that routinely

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Speaker 1: cleaned the family home notice that the home is very

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Speaker 1: messy when they come to clean it.

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Speaker 2: Up, except the master bedroom.

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Speaker 1: Sinks in the bathroom are perfectly clean, like nobody's ever

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Speaker 1: even lived there.

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Speaker 2: And they notice, thank you ladies.

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Speaker 1: They notice that all the families washrags they're all gone

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Speaker 1: and now they are a brand new sets of washrags

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Speaker 1: in the linen closet.

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Speaker 2: Hmmm.

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Speaker 10: That's obviously going to be an indicator that there was

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Speaker 10: something being cleaned up and certain items disposed of. Obviously, again,

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Speaker 10: that kind of goes along with when a person tries

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Speaker 10: to hide their actions, they're going to do anything they

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Speaker 10: can to get rid of the evidence that may be

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Speaker 10: used against them. And we always like to say a

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Speaker 10: lot of times the absence of evidence is the evidence

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Speaker 10: we're looking for.

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Speaker 11: And that seems like one of those situations like that.

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Speaker 1: Mark Taate trial lawyer, defense attorney, what about the brand

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Speaker 1: new washrags. When's the last time you hopped on over

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Speaker 1: to bed bath and beyond and bought all new washrags,

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Speaker 1: not towels, but the washracks, all new and all the go.

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Speaker 2: I'll throw them all away.

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Speaker 8: So according to the criminal complaint that's filed, it's said

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Speaker 8: that they had he had new cleaning rags, and that

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Speaker 8: may be something to talk about. And apparently his side

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Speaker 8: of the sink was pretty clean.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 8: Uh, that's something that someone's going to testify too, I suppose.

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Speaker 8: But at some point there's going to have to be

745
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 8: a bridge maid. There's going to be a connection made

746
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 8: that links all of those things to prove that Gould

747
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:16,479
Speaker 8: murdered his wife beyond a reasonable doubt. And my faint

748
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Speaker 8: with all this is is.

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Speaker 2: You don't believedogs are real.

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Speaker 6: No.

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Speaker 8: I believe they're real, but I believe they're very susceptible

752
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Speaker 8: to false positives. Anything can trigger.

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Speaker 2: Them to be flying all the time. I hate that

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Speaker 2: it alive, but they could.

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Speaker 8: Be tricked into responding. It could be any other animal

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Speaker 8: that had died there. It could be any number of

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00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 8: things that cause a false alert. And each one of

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00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 8: those things. This lawyer that got this, this lawyer who

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00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,800
Speaker 8: got paid seventy five thousand dollars. I hope that's just

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00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:47,439
Speaker 8: a retainer, because he's going to spend a lot more

761
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Speaker 8: time than that to defend this guy. This myriad of

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Speaker 8: things to take care of.

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Speaker 1: Now to hear veteran defense or ANYMOK take tell it.

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Speaker 1: They could averdogs were tricked and all of the washrags

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Speaker 1: in the home were thrown away and new ones were

766
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:08,359
Speaker 1: bought because the old ones left behind LNT. Now I

767
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: wonder who would have noticed the lent issue? Since Anna

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Speaker 1: is gone? What the husband's cleaning and decides, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: see lent.

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Speaker 2: Let me get rid of the washrags.

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Speaker 1: That's not going to work, Okay, anybody, any woman on

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Speaker 1: this jury that has cleaned her home before, no offense

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Speaker 1: man is going to know that.

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Speaker 2: That's byes.

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Speaker 1: So don't say that, defense attorney. But I want to

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Speaker 1: talk about something more substantial, and that would be NAV

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Speaker 1: system evidence to Joe Holden joining us. Isn't it true

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00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: that Anna's NAV system in her Audi showed the movements

779
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 1: of her card, just like in Alex Murdock's case, his

780
00:42:55,520 --> 00:43:00,239
Speaker 1: NAV system in his SUV technical legal term screwed him

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Speaker 1: because it showed he was lying.

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Speaker 2: What did Anna's NAV system show.

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Speaker 6: Showed regular movement around town. Five miles here one day,

784
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 6: four miles the next three two. And remember she's missing

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Speaker 6: since March twenty eighth. So now here we are April twelfth,

786
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Speaker 6: and the vehicle's moving, and yet there's no Anna.

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Speaker 5: And that's her car. She's the only one who drove

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00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 5: that car.

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Speaker 6: Oh, by the way, Nancy, when we remember that the

790
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 6: vehicle is discovered less than a mile from where this

791
00:43:31,160 --> 00:43:35,680
Speaker 6: couple and their son lived, Cadaver dogs once again visit

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00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 6: that alti there circled and hit on the presence of

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00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,439
Speaker 6: the odor of either bloodbone tissue, or decomposition fluid within

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00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 6: a specified area in the trunk of the Audi.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it true that neighbors observed Anna's Audie being driven around,

796
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: but not by her. It was the husband driving her,

797
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: and specifically, the nav system showed that her car was

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00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: never even cranked up on April ten. Isn't that the

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Speaker 1: day that she was rushing to work in a hurry?

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Speaker 6: Joe Holden, that's right, And here are all of those

801
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 6: entries in the court documents showing the trips of the

802
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:25,240
Speaker 6: auti going around on April fourth, April fifth, seventeen minutes,

803
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Speaker 6: two minutes, nine minutes, neighbor.

804
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Speaker 5: Saying it wasn't Ana behind the wheel of that car.

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00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: So the morning that the husband says she raced out

806
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 1: and left her phone behind updating her car wasn't even

807
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: started that day April ten. The last trip that car

808
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: made was on April eleven, based on the NAV system

809
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: in the battery information at one point thirty a m

810
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: total time nine point six minutes, exactly the time it

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Speaker 1: would take to travel from her home to the overflow

812
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: parking a.

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00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: Lot where her audi was found. Isn't that true, Joe Holden?

814
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Speaker 6: You know what else was found in that car in

815
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 6: the trunk her purse and receipts spending pattern that shows

816
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 6: she stopped making purchases or at least stopped storing the

817
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 6: receipts from whatever was going on. On March twenty eighth,

818
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 6: that was the last time a receipt was found for

819
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 6: a purchase.

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Speaker 1: And what other Google searches Joe Holden were found?

821
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Speaker 6: Quite an extensive strangulation and other things, how to handle

822
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 6: crime scenes and taking you from being married one day,

823
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 6: more searches about divorce. You know, Anna was really precipitating

824
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 6: the divorce, but Alan appeared to be trying to mop

825
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 6: up a mess. Really, according to the Pennsylvania State Police, we.

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Speaker 2: Wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 1: The centerpiece of this case is that then four year

828
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 1: old little boy, now living without his mother. We remember

829
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Speaker 1: an American hero, Deputy Sheriff Dan Thomas Glaize Junior, Russ

830
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: County Sheriff's, Wisconsin, shot and killed in a line of duty,

831
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Speaker 1: leaving behind a loving wife, his high school sweetheart, Sarah,

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Speaker 1: and children Kendall Levi and Eliana. American hero Deputy Sheriff

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Speaker 1: Dan Thomas Glaize Junior. Thank you to our guests for

834
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Speaker 1: being with us even you take, but especially to you

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Speaker 1: for being with us tonight and every night. Nancy Gray

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Speaker 1: signing off, I'll see you tomorrow night, sixteen, nine o'clock sharp Eastern,

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Speaker 1: and until then, good night friend,