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Now here's a highlight from Coast 11 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: to Coast AM on iHeart Radio. Your background is so varied, 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 1: But how did you dabble in the paranormal? How did 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: that start for you? You know what, George, And I 14 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: think I mentioned that the last time I was on, 15 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 1: I was a huge much like Chris Carter who created 16 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: the X Files, fan of the Night stocker col check 17 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 1: back when I was a kid in the seventies, and 18 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,840 Speaker 1: I think you know most of us were that we're 19 00:00:56,880 --> 00:00:59,560 Speaker 1: in that seventies aeries little kids. And then once the 20 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 1: X File started. You know, that was like, wow, I've gone, 21 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: you know, I've died and gone to heaven. And you know, 22 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: reading Stephen King's stuff Edgar ellen Phone as a kid 23 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 1: growing up and still being a huge Alfred Hitchcock's hand it, 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: you know, there was something quasi normal paranormal to all 25 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. And then eventually, when I got 26 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: into university, I remember taking an experiential psychology course which 27 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 1: dealt with the paranormal, and I took a couple more 28 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: into my PhD. And then eventually I taught my course 29 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: Understanding the Paranormal for Fun that I had put together, 30 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: and it just everybody starts thinking, well, you must be 31 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: kind of like into that stuff. And so next thing 32 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 1: you know, I'm getting invited to radio shows and TV 33 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: shows and it was fun and I just have enjoyed 34 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: the right let's put it that way. Well, and the 35 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: ride continues to and Peter, people love this topic, They 36 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: love the subject matter of the paranormal. They just can't 37 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 1: seem to get enough of it. You know what, George, 38 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: it really is fascinating and it's one of the reasons 39 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: why we I put together with a really amazing cast 40 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: and crew and I'll be mentioned throughout you know, my 41 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: time on here with you, uh, the Paranormal Profiles, which 42 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: was a spin off from Niagara's Most Haunted, which was 43 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 1: a local show for cable and video on the man 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: down in the Niagara, Ontario area and parts of Ontario, Canada. 45 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: And we would get invited to comic cons and para cons, 46 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: horror cons and a lot of speaking engagements, and everybody 47 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: wanted to see that show, but we were limited in 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: terms of what we could do with it and bring 49 00:02:31,880 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: it out there due to broadcasting constraints. So we put 50 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: this show together, put it on a YouTube channel as 51 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: well as some TV networks had carried it, and it's 52 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,080 Speaker 1: just exploded and it's kind of fun, George, how you 53 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 1: put it. People just can't get enough of this stuff, 54 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 1: and they're always asking us when's the next episode? When's 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: the next episode? And we're kind of going back into 56 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: production in two weeks for our you know, our September 57 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: slots that are going to be coming out. That's fantastic. 58 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 1: Do you know our friend and he fills in once 59 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,680 Speaker 1: in a while on the show, or Richard the Sarah 60 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: I have heard of Richard. Yes, he's out of Toronto. 61 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: Great guy. I gotta get to you two together because 62 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: he'd love to have you on the show. He's got 63 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: a nice show. Amazing. Yes, the the paranormal one would say. 64 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:20,960 Speaker 1: Skeptics would say, come on this, this doesn't exist. There 65 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 1: are no ghosts, there's not life after death, none of 66 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: this happens you as an investigator, as an expert, how 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: do you combat that? How do you convince them? Or 68 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: do you convince them that it's real? You know, George, 69 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: I go in as a skeptic, um, a cynic I 70 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: you know quote a famous X false coat. I want 71 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:48,880 Speaker 1: to believe or um, and so I kind of let 72 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: things unfold. In our show, which I'm very proud to say, 73 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: is we we take historical places that are usually well 74 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: over hundred years old. So and then we bring the 75 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: best and scientific equipment that we have. And what's interesting 76 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 1: about our show is we have zero budget. The entire 77 00:04:07,280 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: cast and crew is doing this of their own love 78 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: of this stuff. UM. A lot of them are interns 79 00:04:15,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: in you know, television and broadcasting that are doing the 80 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 1: filming UM or don't have any idea what they're doing 81 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: with filming, but have learned to do it. And we 82 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,239 Speaker 1: also have a lot of cool people that are cancer 83 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,559 Speaker 1: survivors that have come out and help because they love 84 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: this stuff. Because for them, as as a couple of 85 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: put it, they've kind of got a taste of wow, 86 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: this close to near death experience or whatever it is. 87 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 1: So with that said, we try to bring this out 88 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 1: as tasteful as possible, as honest, close to the tea 89 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:50,280 Speaker 1: as possible. And there's no acting involved, unless you know, 90 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: we have our little actresses like Kara Carter and our 91 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: lovely mother Jen Carter that they come out and do 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: the extra stuff. But this is all real. It's absolutely 93 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: real stuff. They're using real obolus is, real Tesla boxes 94 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: and real old fashioned equipment like k two meters ghost 95 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: ghost rater which is a newer one, and electromagnetics. It's 96 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:14,920 Speaker 1: just really fun to watch. And you know what, George, 97 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 1: I've seen stuff. You've seen stuff um in terms of 98 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: orbs um, in terms of shadows that are appearing, in sure, 99 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: in terms of white um figure. And I'm gonna say 100 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: a figure. I'm not going to say an apparition because 101 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,280 Speaker 1: it'd be like, oh wow, what did it look like? 102 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: They look like a real ghost or whatever. No, you 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: just see stuff that shows up on the camera that 104 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: has absolutely no explanation. And I've I've reached out to 105 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: individuals tour into real sciences that do engineering. Um. One 106 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: of them is an astronomer who has come out and 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 1: he's one thousand percent manned by the book science. And 108 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, when I've asked him, I go, what is that? 109 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: And he goes, I have absolutely no idea. Is he's baffled? Baffled. 110 00:06:09,600 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: You've got the right word, George, baffled Because when people 111 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: can't explain things, then there's that confusion point. So then 112 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,279 Speaker 1: you either have to put one foot or both feed 113 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: into the paranormal explanation or go the other way and say, well, 114 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: it's got to be an anomaly or some sort of distortion. 115 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: Would you say, Peter, that you specialize in searching for ghosts, 116 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 1: That's an interesting question. I would say, we don't really 117 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: search for ghosts. And I know are one lovely paranormal investigator. 118 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: I call her experts. She doesn't like to be called that. 119 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:49,600 Speaker 1: Michelle de Roche, who is with Canada's Most On It 120 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 1: is a huge part of our show, and her partner 121 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: Wayne Mellows they don't like the term ghost hunting. They 122 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: like investigating, so we wouldn't say we're really searching for ghosts. Rather, 123 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: we are opening up the possibilities to seeing if there's 124 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: something that is paranormal, whether it be apparition, ghost, spirit, um, 125 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 1: shadow figure or I'll even throw it out there because 126 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: some people don't like this term some sort of demonic entity, 127 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: and to see if we can either prove the existence 128 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: of something that is at quote unquote one of these 129 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:34,400 Speaker 1: haunted locations that does have a legend or a really 130 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, prolonged story behind it or not. Well, then 131 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: those are all good possibilities to Now what about getting 132 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: real science to try to get this proven? Will they 133 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: do it? Now, that's where it's I That's that's an 134 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: awesome question, George, because then when it comes down to, 135 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: is is real science trying to prove it or debunk it? 136 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: And that's this would be my um kind of like 137 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: craw in my hat, where it would be, um, are 138 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: they really wanting to prove the existence of something paranormal, 139 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, whether it be ghosts and you know, we're 140 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 1: not into the ufology and aliens and that, but give 141 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: us time, we're probably going to get I hope, so 142 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,640 Speaker 1: it would be kind of cool. But with that said, 143 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: are they looking to really say, Okay, these guys and 144 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: ladies found something and now we're going to prove its existence, 145 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: or are we merely going in with um already our 146 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 1: red marking tents and we're going to tear this the 147 00:08:44,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: heck and going with a very cynical, pessimistic, skeptic attitude 148 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 1: and disprove it almost you know, like a James Randy 149 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: where Randall, we're going to go in there and we're 150 00:08:54,000 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: gonna say, Okay, we don't believe this, so already it's 151 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: skewed in favor against it not being real. That's a 152 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,720 Speaker 1: good point. That's a good point. So when you go 153 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: looking for haunted locations, do you have any preconceived notions 154 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: of what you're going to find? Or do you go 155 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: in there with an open mind? How do you do that? 156 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: You know what, George, one of the things that we 157 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: we have going in advance is there is an understanding 158 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 1: that I don't want to always call it legend. I'm 159 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: gonna say there's a story, and we can use the 160 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: whole um, you know, the whole um saying well, whether 161 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: it's smoke there's usually fire. Why is that story still around? 162 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: Why do people claim to see stuff? So with that said, 163 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm given a location. As I said once again, it's 164 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: usually a historical location that the public and I put 165 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 1: this out there. We try to pick public places so 166 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: people themselves can then go out there. They have the 167 00:09:57,160 --> 00:10:00,199 Speaker 1: ability to go there, not like some ghost shows. It's 168 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: a private residence. So we want people to go and 169 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: see these places, not just for the ghost or the hauntings, 170 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 1: but the actual nostalgia of the building. And with that said, 171 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: I kind of have an idea, George, what the story is. 172 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: But then we got amazing psychic mediums like Susan Carter 173 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: and Glenn White that I don't tell them. They have 174 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: no idea, so they go in with blinders. And same 175 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: thing with my Turrnormal investigation team with Kendra White and 176 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: Matt Abbin. Once again they're going in there with blinders 177 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: as well too. So I'm the one that really knows 178 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: the story and I'm not letting the cat out of 179 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: the bag in advance. And with that said, they then 180 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: got to find out what they get with their ghost equipment, 181 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: their apps on their phones that they're using that has 182 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: some really good ghost apps and then obviously the real 183 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: equipment like the Tesla box, of the Abolist, of the 184 00:10:50,520 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: k two meters, the ms and that stuff. Listen to 185 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,439 Speaker 1: more Coast to Coast AM every weeknight at one a m. 186 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,440 Speaker 1: Eastern and go to Coast to Coast am dot com 187 00:10:59,559 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: for more