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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. They're young, they're handsome and beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The husband's got this fantastic chiropractor business going. The wife

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Speaker 1: has an incredible thing going on professionally as well, beautiful

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Speaker 1: I mean, Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thanks for

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Speaker 1: one eleven. Who are these people? Take a listen to

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Speaker 1: our friend Dave Matt at Crime online dot com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Brian Man seems to have it all. He's married to

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Speaker 1: Man takes good care of his family, handling the family expenses,

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Speaker 1: The Alabama chiropractor's business is also going well. Reviews on

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Speaker 1: It seems to be very popular. What more do we

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Speaker 1: mack Hannah. Petty used a new dietary supplement for about

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Speaker 1: nine months. She began her new meal regiment in the

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Speaker 1: spring and continued through the rest of the year. The

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Speaker 1: two months before the mom of two was released Healthy.

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Speaker 1: Joining me right now is a renowned medical examiner and

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Speaker 1: toxicologist out of Michigan, author of American Narcan and you

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Speaker 1: can find him at Recovery Pathway LLC dot com. Doctor

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Speaker 1: William Moroney, Doctor Moroni? What is lead poisoning? Lead poisoning

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Speaker 1: can happen because you're exposed to particles powder dust. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: One of the things is it changes your personality. It

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Speaker 1: It's toxic. It kills brain cells and spinal nerves and

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Speaker 1: sources of lead in America and in developing parts of

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Speaker 1: You know what I've ever heard about lead poisoning, doctor Moroney,

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Speaker 1: our cut see. Hannah Petty was listening to her chiropractor

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Speaker 1: Petty in the hospital. But how does the twenty three

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Speaker 1: the things doctor William Ronny was just talking about in

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Speaker 1: doctor Moroni, Do you know how much I respect you,

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Speaker 1: I care about you. We have the same thing. I

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Speaker 1: It's always bad. It is terrible. But I'm not going

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Speaker 1: Karen with a C. Do you know how every single day,

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Speaker 1: David Lanch, my husband, chases me with a Vitamin C

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Speaker 1: What do people are? People obsessed with dietary supplements. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Karen start. You can definitely get obsessed, Nancy, And you

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Speaker 1: known private investigator. But doctor William Moroney, what about supplements?

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Speaker 1: How can a supplement that's the only change at our

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Speaker 1: separate instances. In July, a doctor diagnosed Chen with two

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Speaker 1: stomachs gastritis and esophagus inflammation. And more from our friend

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Speaker 1: Amy Robot at GMA cut ten. These surveillance images show

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Speaker 1: the moments that California man says he was secretly poisoned

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Speaker 1: by his wife. The images part of a restraining order

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Speaker 1: filing by doctor Jack Chen against his wife of ten years.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Emily u this poisoning a curry over a period

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Speaker 1: recording devices in the Homey, the forty five year old dermatologist,

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Speaker 1: dollars bail. In that case, the alleged perp is a

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Speaker 1: female dermatologist. In the case, we're looking at right now,

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Speaker 1: we have put the husband chiropractor under the microscope. But

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Speaker 1: now it's not just me looking at him. Take listen

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Speaker 1: to our cut three our friends from crime Online. An

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Speaker 1: Alabama grand jury indicted thirty three year old Brian Man.

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Speaker 1: He's now been charged with attempted murder after officials say

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Speaker 1: he intentionally tried to poison his wife. Court documents showed

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Speaker 1: that man is accused of using lead to poison his

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Speaker 1: but those were halted until the criminal proceedings are complete.

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Speaker 1: Man has since been arrested on the attempted murder charge. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so let me understand this to Caitlin Becker joining me,

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Speaker 1: senior reporter, Dailymail dot Com. He has actually been indicted

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Speaker 1: by a grand jury. Is that correct? He has been arrested,

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Speaker 1: And this situation is very interesting, Nancy, because he was arrested,

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Speaker 1: he was freed on bond, then failed to give his

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Speaker 1: back into cutsody because he failed to give it over

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Speaker 1: to outport and now he's out again, all on these

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Speaker 1: charges that he attempted to murder his wife with lead poisoning.

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Speaker 1: So first of all, he is indicted with attempted murder.

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin Baker's exactly correct. Take listen hour cut five watt

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Speaker 1: the hertzel Man, charged with attempted murder after officials say

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Speaker 1: Brian Mann was re arrested Thursday for failure to appear

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Speaker 1: court filing show. As part of the former Decatur chiropractor's

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Speaker 1: bond conditions. He has to surrender all firearms and his

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Speaker 1: passport to the Hertzel Police department. On those conditions, record

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Speaker 1: show he turned in the weapons but said he could

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Speaker 1: not find his passport. Man was then instructed to appear

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Speaker 1: before Hartzel police to report the missing passport, but he

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Speaker 1: failed to do so. Time Stories with Nancy Greece Robert Crispin,

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Speaker 1: private investigator. Please just stop, I lost my passport. Do

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Speaker 1: I have to say the name Caitlyn Armstrong to you?

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Speaker 1: Remember the glamorous yoga instructor who was accused of killing

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend's love interest, Mariah. Remember Moe Wilson, the world

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Speaker 1: class dirt by her. She comes into town, they have

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Speaker 1: an innocent get together, and suddenly Mariah is dead. Kate

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Speaker 1: Lynn Armstrong then changes their appearance, dyes her hair, gets

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Speaker 1: a nose job, so forth and so on, and flees

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Speaker 1: the country. And now we've got this husband jumping up

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Speaker 1: saying I lost my passport? Are you kidding me? Well,

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Speaker 1: the passport is the last ticket to escape once it

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Speaker 1: really starts to come down to crunch time or a

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Speaker 1: plea or a sentencing. This is going to allow him

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Speaker 1: to get out. I can say he's right in Alabama,

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Speaker 1: don't you know, hit hop right on over to Mary

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Speaker 1: Esther or Fort Walton where they have all those flight academies,

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Speaker 1: and it wouldn't be would be long gone and have

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Speaker 1: a pocketful of money and bye bye. He'd be in

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Speaker 1: Costa Rica or I don't know where he would be

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Speaker 1: because he would have his passport well to a country

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Speaker 1: that's not going to extradite him back. Oh yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: so right about that. Yeah, I take a listen again,

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Speaker 1: take listen our cut six Crime Online. The dicator Chiropractory,

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Speaker 1: accused of trying to murder his wife by poisoning her

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Speaker 1: court documents, Judge Charles Elliot reluctantly granted the motion for

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Speaker 1: Brian Mann to be freed from custody on a half

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Speaker 1: million dollars bond, but with straight conditions. He said, so

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Speaker 1: much as a speeding ticket would result in a rearrest.

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Speaker 1: Man was released on a half million dollars bond after

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Speaker 1: his initial arrest in September. One condition of that bond

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Speaker 1: was providing his passport preventing him from fleeing. However, after

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Speaker 1: failing to do that, he was placed back in custody.

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Speaker 1: Judge Elliott was adamant that man remaining custody just by

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Speaker 1: numerous attempts and personal letters to have his bond lowered,

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Speaker 1: believing he was a fly risk. The judge now says

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Speaker 1: the cases at a crossroads, and with man in jail,

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Speaker 1: he can't pay child support and alimony, keeping him in

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Speaker 1: custody inadvertently punishing his estranged wife and children. Okay. To

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Speaker 1: Kaitlin back, her senior reporter with dailymail dot Com, Caitlin,

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Speaker 1: as I tell my children and we all know this,

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Speaker 1: if it feels wrong, and it just doesn't feel right,

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Speaker 1: then you're not supposed to do it. Okay. That is

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Speaker 1: according to me, the Holy Spirit in you trying to

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Speaker 1: tell you, scream that you don't do this. It's wrong.

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Speaker 1: Some people call it a conscience. So if the judge

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Speaker 1: much as a speeding ticket, your revoke. I've heard judges

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Speaker 1: chew out the defendant, really tear them when he tailhole

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Speaker 1: and then let him go home on and that's what

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Speaker 1: this judge, Charles Elliott did. Please tell me this guy's

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Speaker 1: behind bars. This guy is not behind bars. He is

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Speaker 1: a conditional release right now. His parents swore to the

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Speaker 1: judge that they did an exhaustive search and that the

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Speaker 1: eight thousand dollars in back child support, the judge, like

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Speaker 1: you you heard, they're reluctantly agreed to release him. The

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Speaker 1: terms are very interesting. He has to go to jail

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Speaker 1: on the weekends. He has to report from Friday to

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Speaker 1: Monday morning. He has to wear a GPS monitor. He

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Speaker 1: has to stay home from six pm to six am,

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Speaker 1: but he's allowed out during the day. He's not allowed

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Speaker 1: to have alcohol or drugs on his person. But I

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Speaker 1: don't personally, I don't know what you think, but I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how he's going to make up that eight

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. I'm not going. I don't care what his

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Speaker 1: reviews are on YELP. I am not going to the

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Speaker 1: chiropractor who has an ANGLE monitor, who's out on bond

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Speaker 1: for its attempted murder. Karen Starring joining us from Manhattan

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Speaker 1: Jumping Karen. You know, in addition to the fact that

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't make any sense that they would release him,

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Speaker 1: because I don't understand how he's going to be able

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Speaker 1: to earn a living at this point. Just like we

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Speaker 1: said just before, you know this, he's wearing an angle monitor.

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Speaker 1: Who's going to come to him to use him as

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Speaker 1: a chiropractic. But in addition to that, this guy sounds

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Speaker 1: like a psychopathic. He fear if I he's above the law.

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Speaker 1: That's not unusual. He doesn't have his passport, He has

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Speaker 1: no problem saying, oh, I just can't find it, So

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Speaker 1: helen the work. And they trust somebody like that to

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Speaker 1: be responsible and not skip down forget all that. I

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Speaker 1: agree with you, But Karen start, he's accused of poisoning

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Speaker 1: his wife and her dietary supplements over months and months.

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Speaker 1: How can you trust him to do the right thing?

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Speaker 1: You cannot. And this judge I've seen judges do it

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Speaker 1: a million times. Matthew Mangino, high profile lawyer. I'm sure

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Speaker 1: you have two. The judge choose to defend an out

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Speaker 1: and then grants leniency, lets him go out on bond,

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Speaker 1: gives the light sentence, as if that defendant gives a

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Speaker 1: flying fig about what this judge is saying. No, why

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's already eight thousand dollars behind on child support,

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Speaker 1: So why do we think suddenly he's going to pay

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Speaker 1: child support. But Nancy, you know, everybody who's charged with

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Speaker 1: a crime other than a capital offense is entitled to bond.

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Speaker 1: So she said, this judge said a five hundred and

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Speaker 1: child to a bond hearing, and he said a bond

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Speaker 1: of five hundred thousand dollars, which you know that bond

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Speaker 1: has been posted. And it's not as though, you know,

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Speaker 1: this guy's necessarily walking free. He has an ankle brafley,

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Speaker 1: he has to spend the weekends in jail. You know,

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Speaker 1: it makes sense number one, that he's accused of a crime,

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Speaker 1: that he has the opportunity to continue to work, and

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Speaker 1: that he can support his children and support his wife. Again,

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Speaker 1: if someone's going to go to a chiropractor with an

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Speaker 1: ankle bracelets accused of trying to murder their wife, I

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Speaker 1: understand all that. But you know, we live in a

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Speaker 1: system where you're accused of a crime, your bow is

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Speaker 1: to ensure you appear in the future, and that's what's

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Speaker 1: been imposed here. Guys, take a listen to our cut

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Speaker 1: for Margo Gray waff Martal, chiropractor accused of trying to

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Speaker 1: kill his own wife, is out of jail. Court records

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Speaker 1: show thirty three year old Brian Man was released on

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Speaker 1: a half million dollar bond. Man is facing an attempted

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Speaker 1: murder charge. Man's wife claims she was poisoned with lead,

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Speaker 1: resulting in her having to be hospitalized. From January to March.

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Speaker 1: Under a court order, Man has to wear a GPS monitor,

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Speaker 1: stay at home from six pm to six in, and

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Speaker 1: undergo drug screenings. Robert Kristen an ankle monitor? Really, how

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Speaker 1: many times have ankle monitors been bait? And I can

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Speaker 1: tell you why because nobody's monitoring the ankle monitor. That's

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Speaker 1: how people get away. There is there's not enough cops

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Speaker 1: and investigators right now to stop the crime. The violent

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Speaker 1: crime hadn't on the street. Who is standing by watching

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Speaker 1: the ankle monitor blips and beeps on the screen? Be

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Speaker 1: absolutely Nancy. They all go into a system and there's

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Speaker 1: a lurch that come once you breach your gel fence.

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Speaker 1: And the problem with these ankle monitors is I would

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Speaker 1: never tell you how you can get out of it,

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Speaker 1: but I know how these people are getting out of

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Speaker 1: these these ankle monitors, and they leave them within the

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Speaker 1: house and before law enforcement or supervised release officials know

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Speaker 1: that you're missing or you're gone. You've got sometimes eight

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Speaker 1: twelve twenty four hour head start. I can get to

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Speaker 1: Europe eight and a half from Miami. See Chris, and

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Speaker 1: I have seen so many times people get away, leave

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Speaker 1: the jurisdiction because they've been monitored by so called monitored

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Speaker 1: by an ankle monitor. Caitlin Becker. I'm almost afraid to ask,

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Speaker 1: but where does the case stand right now? You know, Nancy,

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Speaker 1: Before I get into that, I just wanted to flag

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Speaker 1: really quickly that this reminds me so much of another

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Speaker 1: case we've been talking about, Brian Walsh, who's accused of

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Speaker 1: killing his wife Anna while he was on house arrest

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Speaker 1: with an ankle monitor. You know, my concern isn't as

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Speaker 1: much that he would flee, but that maybe he would

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Speaker 1: allegedly try to finish the job he started. I mean,

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Speaker 1: his wife have moved out and they're in an apartment,

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Speaker 1: but he is out and about. He is under the

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Speaker 1: terms of his release, he is not allowed to have

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Speaker 1: contact with her, but people might not listen to that.

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Speaker 1: So that's my concern. And right now he is out

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Speaker 1: for those hours that he is allowed to be out,

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Speaker 1: and a jury trial is scheduled to begin on October

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Speaker 1: twenty three. Yeah, you brought up a great example of

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Speaker 1: Brian Walsh. Anna Walsh's body still has not been found.

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Speaker 1: She Ley's behind three little boys. He was on an

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Speaker 1: ankle monitor, and what a great alibi. Look, my ankle

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Speaker 1: monitor was at home the whole time. I couldn't possibly

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Speaker 1: have done it. We wait as just as unfolds Nancy

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Speaker 1: Gray's crime story, signing off goodbye friend,