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Speaker 1: weeks intil training camp. That's right, So how about we

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Speaker 1: use this time to revisit what's happened in the offseason,

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Speaker 1: a tip of the cap to the Suns. It's Cardinals

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Speaker 1: Cover two, Episode four thirty two, and it starts now.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two with Craig Grigolew and Mike Jarecki.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hun Day, proud partner

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Speaker 1: acy Cardinals dot com Slash podcasts. Murray rolls to the right,

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Speaker 1: throws near sight of Fens part pays into the ends

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Speaker 1: I think I saw Buddha Baker, Chase Edmonds as well.

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Speaker 1: They weren't high picks, and now it's a matter of,

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Speaker 1: you know, who are the second best lineman across the

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Speaker 1: moor from left tackle to right tackle. Before we touch

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Speaker 1: on Hudson, because I think he does deserve to be

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Speaker 1: featured here on this edition of Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday, probably partner of the Arizona Cardinals. And then

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Speaker 1: the one question mark along that line right guard, what

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Speaker 1: happens at that position. Let's go back to Sean Kugler.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to bury it, but yeah, he is

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Speaker 1: the offensive line coach. He was also given the title

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Speaker 1: of run game coordinator as well this offseason, so a

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Speaker 1: promotion and you would expect maybe more say we hear

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Speaker 1: Ron willfully talk a lot about that, more dough more

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Speaker 1: say and does that really come to fruition. Well, when

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Speaker 1: Kugler spoke this offseason and that question was specifically ash,

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Speaker 1: you know, how much more are you going to be

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Speaker 1: a part of the game plans weekend and week out?

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Speaker 1: His response quote, we do this whole thing collectively. The

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Speaker 1: whole offense is a collective effort of all the coaches

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Speaker 1: end quote. And I think in a perfect world, yeah,

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Speaker 1: everyone has a say. But in that room, m J.

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Speaker 1: If you get the entire offensive coaching staff in the

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Speaker 1: same room, who's the loudest voice. Well, it's the head coach,

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Speaker 1: he always says the loudest voice. And then it's the

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. Well, this team doesn't have a quote unquote

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Speaker 1: offensive coordinator. About the closest thing would be run game coordinator.

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Speaker 1: I would expect that Coogler would have some more influence.

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Speaker 1: And maybe the way the season ended a year ago

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Speaker 1: that that run game just wasn't very efficient. It bogged

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Speaker 1: down the offense as a whole bogged down. Does things

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Speaker 1: change a little bit? Does this offense become a little

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Speaker 1: bit more traditional where you see some more runs between

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Speaker 1: the tackle or just the commitment to the run, which

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Speaker 1: you know, there's nothing wrong with passing. And I think

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Speaker 1: at his core, Kingsbury would love four five wide receivers

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Speaker 1: and throw every single step. That's what a quarterback does.

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Speaker 1: They like to throw the football. He's a former quarterback

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Speaker 1: talking about Kingsbury. But in order to win on this

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Speaker 1: level and win consistently and be into the postseason, got

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Speaker 1: to be a little bit more balanced, or at least

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Speaker 1: have some semblance of what's working today, what it might

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Speaker 1: be different than what works next week or the previous week.

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Speaker 1: Especially in this division. I mean we talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks. Obviously, I think that Ram's upgraded with Matthew

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Speaker 1: Stafford year and all the reports coming out there. You know,

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Speaker 1: nothing against Jerich Coffee, he was able to take him

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Speaker 1: to the super Bowl, but they've upgraded there. We know

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson saying all the right things right now. You

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Speaker 1: know Jimmy Garoppolo. This is the first offseason where he's

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Speaker 1: been able to participate. You know last year where there

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Speaker 1: was because of COVID there wasn't any offseason the year

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Speaker 1: before he was rehabbing from an ACL injury. So you

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Speaker 1: got to get to the quarterback, but you also got

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Speaker 1: to protect the quarterback. And that's why I think it's

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Speaker 1: important for this to be the backbone of this team

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Speaker 1: going into the season. That's six games. They got off

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Speaker 1: to a two and oh start last year in the

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Speaker 1: division and finished two and four. That has to change.

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Speaker 1: You look at what Sean Kogler has done in his

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Speaker 1: time with the Arizona Cardinals. This will be his third

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Speaker 1: season with Kingsbury as far as running the offensive line,

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Speaker 1: but last year only the sixth time in franchise history,

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Speaker 1: your Cardinals offense had at least two thousand rushing yards

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Speaker 1: and twenty or more rushing touchdowns in the same season.

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Speaker 1: So that's Yes, it's about the talent on the field,

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Speaker 1: but also about what you have as far as who's

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Speaker 1: coaching up that talent. And then what they did a

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Speaker 1: year ago, they almost in a half cut the number

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Speaker 1: of sacks that Kyler Murray was laid on his back.

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Speaker 1: He was sacked twenty seven times compared to forty eight

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Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. That's all positive and that's just not us.

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Speaker 1: Bird Gang standed Pro Football Focus, which we touch on

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Speaker 1: a lot here. They ranked the Cardinals offensive line number twelve.

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Speaker 1: They were twenty second in twenty nineteen, so a huge

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Speaker 1: jump from twenty nineteen to twenty twenty. The offensive line

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Speaker 1: as a whole, I know, it's what did you do

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Speaker 1: for me recently? And recently was while things did not

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Speaker 1: look good in the month of December, yet I do

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Speaker 1: think if you can take that next step forward and

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Speaker 1: get into the top ten, top five, and it doesn't

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Speaker 1: have to be the five best players in the league,

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Speaker 1: just be that best group when all five individuals come together. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and again you know we can talk about, you know,

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Speaker 1: lack of discipline. You know, maybe when it comes to Cliff,

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Speaker 1: he doesn't like, you know, conflict. He's more of a

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Speaker 1: player's coach, but he expects you to go out there

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Speaker 1: and do into your job. But these, you know, these

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Speaker 1: pre snap penalties. They got to reduce the penalties. And

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Speaker 1: again it starts with the head coach. But sometimes if

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Speaker 1: it's the onus is on a player, if it's pre

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Speaker 1: or post snap, meaning those are mental errors. And I know,

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Speaker 1: you know there's times you got to grab a guy.

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Speaker 1: You don't want Kyler to get hurt. But if they

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Speaker 1: can just cut down that and that, I think they

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Speaker 1: will go a long way. But I do think they're

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Speaker 1: gonna try to line up and run the football again,

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Speaker 1: not force it. If the teams want to put eight

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Speaker 1: in the box, then all of a sudden, you're gonna

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Speaker 1: utilize your guys on the outside. But I do think

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Speaker 1: we're gonna have more balance when it comes to the offense.

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Speaker 1: All about the number of penalties, I think that is

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Speaker 1: what a lot of people are going to focus on.

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Speaker 1: And Googler brought it up when he addressed the media

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Speaker 1: in the off season as far as just the number

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Speaker 1: of pre snap penalties forty five, second most in the league.

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Speaker 1: And of those forty five pre snap penalties, thirty two

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Speaker 1: false start penalties the most of any team. You don't

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Speaker 1: want to be playing behind the sticks. And I think

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Speaker 1: too many times this team, this offense was playing behind

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Speaker 1: the sticks. The first and ten became a first, and

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Speaker 1: fifteen a second, and seven all of a sudden and

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Speaker 1: it became a second and seventeen. You get some momentum going,

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Speaker 1: you get on a little roll, and then all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, the whistle blows and you're looking around going

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Speaker 1: what happened? Now, you're almost waiting for something to happen

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Speaker 1: during the course of a game or the course of

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Speaker 1: a season, and you just can't have that happen. And

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Speaker 1: last year we know that there wasn't any preseason games

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Speaker 1: and no excuses. It was for all thirty two teams,

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Speaker 1: and you know the teams were playing in in you know,

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Speaker 1: late January, they earned the right. But also when it

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Speaker 1: comes down to clock management, you know a lot of

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Speaker 1: times you're shuffling guys in and out, and you want

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Speaker 1: to make sure you have the right personnel, and then

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Speaker 1: you got to burn a time out. So now that

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Speaker 1: they've been on the grass and there, they pretty much

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Speaker 1: install their OFFENSI installed again when they get the training

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Speaker 1: camp a couple of preseason games, maybe we won't see

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Speaker 1: as much miscommunication when you're trying to get different personnel

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Speaker 1: on the field where you got to burn a time out,

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Speaker 1: or you know, the plays getting in late because you're

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Speaker 1: trying to figure out, you know, what kind of personnel

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Speaker 1: they're bringing in from the other side. So hopefully those

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Speaker 1: things get cleaned up, because that was an achilles heel

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Speaker 1: for this offense last year. Yeah, the number of penalties

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Speaker 1: and then just the number of slow starts, and that

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Speaker 1: became a thing, especially early on in the regular season,

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Speaker 1: that opening drive. What are you doing out of the

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Speaker 1: gates to kind of put some pressure on the other team.

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Speaker 1: Cardinals had sixteen opening drives. Only three times did they

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Speaker 1: score a touchdown Week two against Washington, Week twelve at

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Speaker 1: New England, and Week thirteen against the Rams. Three touchdowns

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Speaker 1: out of sixteen opening drives. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: how that compares with the rest of the league. But

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Speaker 1: you'd much rather be up seven nothing in the first

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Speaker 1: five minutes as opposed to three nothing or down seven nothing.

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Speaker 1: So getting off the better starts as well. Kingsbury, yeah,

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Speaker 1: wants to finish, but I think he was talking about

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Speaker 1: finish seen the season. How about the Ardenal's offense get

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Speaker 1: off to some better starts well. And one thing we

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Speaker 1: learned last year and Cliff brought it up, stalled drives

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Speaker 1: and they they were right there at the top of

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Speaker 1: the league, if not in the top three when it

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Speaker 1: came to you know, stalled drives me basically penalties, negative

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Speaker 1: yards put them behind the sticks and they weren't able

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Speaker 1: to continue drives. And again I think that's been a

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Speaker 1: point of emphasis. You know, when you self evaluate, those

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Speaker 1: are little things and Kyler Murray's talked about doing the

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Speaker 1: little things that don't you know, maybe don't show up

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Speaker 1: in the box score even though they do show the penalties,

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Speaker 1: but the little things and learning how to finish. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it's it's nice to be able to come

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Speaker 1: back in a game, but you want to have the

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Speaker 1: league going in the fourth quarter. Takes so much pressure

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Speaker 1: off not only your offense but your defense stall drives

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Speaker 1: to find as quote, no points scored on a drive,

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Speaker 1: no first down earned after penalty occurred. There were thirty

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Speaker 1: four stalled drives. The second most were the Giants with

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Speaker 1: thirty one. So that is something that this offense looks

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Speaker 1: to take a step forward and knock that dumber down

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Speaker 1: considerably and hopefully along those lines why they went out

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Speaker 1: and acquired a Rodney Hudson from the Raiders, who then

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Speaker 1: agreed to a contract or a restructured contract. Hudson is

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Speaker 1: signed through twenty twenty three. So I think this is

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Speaker 1: significant because it's not just a one year deal. You've

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Speaker 1: got him a part of this offense and with Kyler

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Speaker 1: Murray and everyone else for an extended period of time.

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Speaker 1: But when you talk about penalties, Hudson is one of

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Speaker 1: the least penalized offensive lineman in the entire game. Last season,

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Speaker 1: he was not penalized at all. In fact, he's only

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Speaker 1: had four in the last three seasons and has not

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Speaker 1: been called for a false start since twenty sixteen. And

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Speaker 1: if you talk about the center position, the anchor of

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, that's where it begins. You want the

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Speaker 1: best that you can get, and the Cardinals looked and said, hey,

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Speaker 1: well if the Raiders don't want him, why don't we

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Speaker 1: bring him here? And I think he you know, we've

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Speaker 1: talked about this when they signed him. We talked about

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Speaker 1: this when we get a chance talk to Coogs, we

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Speaker 1: talked to we discuss this when Steve Kim talk about

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Speaker 1: the addition. And you know how they found out and

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Speaker 1: within twenty four hours they made a trade for him.

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Speaker 1: Is he's gonna help Kyler Murray make the calls. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't emphasize it enough. Nothing against Cole doesn't have

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Speaker 1: the experience. We know, Ship had an experience where he

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Speaker 1: would help out. You know, it's one of those deals

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Speaker 1: where you know they may have to go with a

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Speaker 1: silent conn on the road. Well, they're gonna be fine there,

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Speaker 1: he tipped. You know, the guard you know, hits the

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Speaker 1: hip of the center. So I'm not saying it's going

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Speaker 1: to be easier for Murray, but he's gonna have a

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Speaker 1: veteran in there. It's going to help him with the calls.

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Speaker 1: And that's going to help Murray step up in the

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Speaker 1: pocket and make some throws versus bail and on the

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Speaker 1: pocket and improvise in which we know he can, you know,

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Speaker 1: escape tackles, but again I want him to sit in

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Speaker 1: the pocket and make some throws and so that that

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Speaker 1: you shape should be a lot better than it has

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Speaker 1: in the past. Yeah, if you've got your middle solidified,

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, you've got something that you

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Speaker 1: can step up to. And I think too many times

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Speaker 1: that drifting or the back pedaling, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: that was just Kyle Murray still trying to figure out

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Speaker 1: how much can I get away with at this level

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Speaker 1: versus college where he could outrun anybody, And that's just

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Speaker 1: not going to happen here at the NFL level. But

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Speaker 1: when you look at Hudson, three time Pro bowler, yet

643
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Speaker 1: all three selections have happened in the past five years.

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Speaker 1: So yes, he's thirty and getting into his early thirties,

645
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Speaker 1: yet he might MJB playing his best football of his career.

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Speaker 1: And I was impressed with him. He was here for

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Speaker 1: the OTAs. I mean, here's a new guy, obviously, you know,

648
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Speaker 1: I'm sure the terminology is a little bit different. You know,

649
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Speaker 1: he wants to get acclimated with his teammates, but he

650
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Speaker 1: was here for the OTAs and he was here for

651
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Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp and that sinks as speaks volumes

652
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Speaker 1: because you know, a veteran guy going to a new team,

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Speaker 1: Yeah you got you know, But he's got skins on

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Speaker 1: the wall. So I don't think anyone would have batted

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Speaker 1: an eye if he didn't show up every single day.

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Speaker 1: But he was here, and I gotta think he's going

657
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Speaker 1: to continue to work out as they get closer to camp.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Hudson turned thirty two on July twelfth,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, getting up there in football age, but might

660
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Speaker 1: be playing his best football as far as knowing the position,

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Speaker 1: and it is a position that was made a priority

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Speaker 1: in the offseason. Kugler brought that up when he addressed

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Speaker 1: the media earlier in the offseason that yes, the center

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Speaker 1: position overall quote needs to take the next step to

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Speaker 1: get better, to get better to help our offense end quotes,

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Speaker 1: and without mentioning any names. This was before Hudson was acquired,

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Speaker 1: but certainly that was I wouldn't say a red flag,

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Speaker 1: but it certainly did raise eyebrows when those words were

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Speaker 1: mentioned by Kugler, because I don't think a lot of

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Speaker 1: us going into the off season free agency in the draft,

671
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Speaker 1: we're thinking about an upgrade at center. Mason Cole, Lamont Gilliard,

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Speaker 1: those of we are two young players. There were maybe

673
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Speaker 1: other needs. Yet you hear that from the offensive line

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Speaker 1: coach who just got the title run game coordinator, and

675
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Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's like, all right, this team

676
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Speaker 1: is looking at the center position and they're not satisfied

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Speaker 1: with the Mason Cole or Lamont Guilliard. Well, I mean,

678
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Speaker 1: there was a lot of speculation that if the Cardinals

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Speaker 1: were going to go out and sign alignment, it would

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Speaker 1: have been Corey Linsley and he end up going to

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Speaker 1: the Chargers. Then he thought about Alex mack Nick Martin,

682
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Speaker 1: and then within twenty four hours after Lindsley decided to

683
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Speaker 1: go with Brian Bulaga and play for the Chargers. So again,

684
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: and they weren't going to spend twelve million per year

685
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Speaker 1: on a wide receiver. They're clearly we're going to try

686
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Speaker 1: to address the corner position in the draft, even though

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Speaker 1: they did get Butler and they brought in Deniard recently.

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting, but it seemed like going into the

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Speaker 1: off season the plan was to get much better in

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Speaker 1: the middle, and clearly, when the Raiders decided to make

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Speaker 1: a move Cardinals jumped on it. So, yeah, you don't

692
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Speaker 1: want to go out and spend big money, but to me,

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Speaker 1: it's money well spent when you get a guy like

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Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson and that move, that acquisition might be at least,

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Speaker 1: as we talked about, it could be the biggest move

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Speaker 1: of the off season, whether that's a drafting, a signing,

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Speaker 1: an acquisition, or a resigning. And just the number of

698
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Speaker 1: people inside the NFL and those that cover the NFL

699
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 1: on how many people were surprised one that the Raiders

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Speaker 1: decided to let Rodney Hudson go or we're thinking about

701
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: releasing him for whatever reason was their decision. And then

702
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: all of a sudden the Cardinals wrapped up and or

703
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,799
Speaker 1: swooped in and grabbed him. Because at that point when

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Speaker 1: we started looking at the centers and the names coming

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Speaker 1: off the board, and yeah, it's a position that you

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Speaker 1: would love to see. You know, you go out and

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Speaker 1: get someone who's very, very good, and you get as

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Speaker 1: we talked about, maybe the best center in all of

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Speaker 1: the NFL as far as the metrics are concerned. And

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Speaker 1: now you've got him on your side of the table. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I think you and I maybe described

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Speaker 1: him as probably one of the most important signings in

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Speaker 1: the office season, and again I think you know we're

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Speaker 1: gonna see it during the season. Obviously healthy, just anybody

715
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: these guys we talk about, you gotta stay healthy, because

716
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Speaker 1: there's a reason why they went out and you know,

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Speaker 1: game a draft pick and then obviously extended his contract

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Speaker 1: through twenty twenty three. With the restructure, he obviously gained

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Speaker 1: the team a little cap space this year so they

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Speaker 1: can go out and afford other players. So yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I clearly they were going to address the center position.

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Speaker 1: You know, you probably don't want to do that in

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Speaker 1: the draft in the first three rounds, and here they

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Speaker 1: are in the seventh round. They took Michael Manette from

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Speaker 1: Penn State, who I think will be the future center.

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Speaker 1: Everything you hear about him quick learner. I'll obviously learn

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Speaker 1: it from a guy like Rodney Hudson. He's been here rookies,

728
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: will be here for a couple of a couple more weeks.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if he makes the active roster. Worst case scenarios,

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Speaker 1: if he doesn't play a ton in the preseason, which

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Speaker 1: I want, maybe you can slide them to their practice squad.

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Speaker 1: We haven't heard much from Hudson as far as him

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Speaker 1: speaking with the media, but you just think that he

734
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: has this quiet confidence about him and he might be

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Speaker 1: one of those players like a Larry Fitzgerald that publicly

736
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Speaker 1: doesn't say a lot, but maybe privately, either in that

737
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 1: locker room, in those meeting rooms, and certainly out on

738
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: the football field, his voice is going to carry, not

739
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: as far as how loud it is, but just the

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Speaker 1: influence and what he's seen. Because that center position you've

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Speaker 1: got to make You have to make the calls, and

742
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: you have to be quick on your feet. You've got

743
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Speaker 1: to make snap judgments and snap decisions, and then make

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00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 1: sure the quarterback is aware and the guard on either

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00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 1: side of you that they can relay what is happening

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Speaker 1: to the tackles. Yeah, and to me, that's right up

747
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: his alley. So I mean, I can't efensize it enough.

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Speaker 1: I think it was one of the better signings that

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Speaker 1: we can sit here and we'll look at AJ Green

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Speaker 1: and Malcolm Butler, J. J. Watt, And again, I thought

751
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: the Cardinals did a good job retaining some of their

752
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: home players. You can't resign everyone, and I thought I

753
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: was really thrilled they brought Marcus Golden back just to

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00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: kind of add some more energy to that defense. The

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Speaker 1: one question mark that this offensive line has is right guard.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into that, got to remind the bird

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Speaker 1: gang that you can watch all Cardinals Flight Plan episodes

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00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:57,160
Speaker 1: on the Cardinals official YouTube channel, YouTube dot com slash

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Speaker 1: as Cardinals. So far two episodes, Episode one, Power Surge

760
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: that kind of focused on free agency, Episode two titled

761
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: first Class dealt with the twenty twenty one draft class.

762
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: And yes, a new flight Plan episode is in the

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00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 1: works as we speak. The best way to make sure

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Speaker 1: miss in any of the Emmy Award winning episodes of

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Speaker 1: Cardinals flight Plan. All right, I'm jay the right guard

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Speaker 1: position here. As we continue on Cardinals Cover two presented

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Speaker 1: by Hunday Probab, partner of the Arizona Cardinals, there is

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Speaker 1: going to be competition. Kingsbury made that clear during OTA's

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Speaker 1: and minicamp, and he gave four names Brian Winters, Justin Murray,

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Speaker 1: Josh Jones, and Mark Max Garcia. Those four players. As

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Speaker 1: far as who's replacing Jr. Sweezy, who was the starting

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Speaker 1: right guard last season. Let's take these one by one

775
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Speaker 1: and I kind of put it in order on how

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Speaker 1: I see the depth chart and I'm giving the edge.

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Speaker 1: And that's just me without even knowing anything or seeing anything.

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Speaker 1: Brian Winters for me, would be that quote unquote starter,

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Speaker 1: just because while the experience, seventy of his eighty eight

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Speaker 1: career starts have come at the right guard position, plus

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Speaker 1: the guy next to him at right tackle, they were teammates.

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Speaker 1: Winters and Kelvin Beacham were teammates for three seasons with

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Speaker 1: the Jets from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. I do

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Speaker 1: think that matters, and yes, experience does matter at the

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Speaker 1: right guard position as far as knowing what to expect

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Speaker 1: from the guy or guys that might be lining up

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Speaker 1: against you and trying to steamroll you, bull rush you

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Speaker 1: and try to get to the quarterback or the ball

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Speaker 1: carrier and the backfield. So for me, MJ. Brian Winters

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Speaker 1: would be that leader in the clubhouse, if you will.

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Speaker 1: Now he's going to hang on to that nothing's given,

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Speaker 1: but to me, he's the guy to keep an eye on. Well,

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Speaker 1: there's nothing I have an experience, and let's be honest,

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Speaker 1: you know, Justin Murray, who will get into here momentarily.

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Speaker 1: He bailed his team out a couple of years ago

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Speaker 1: when had some injuries on that right side of the line.

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Speaker 1: So but yeah, I mean, you look at it, seventy

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Speaker 1: of eighty eight career starts, and you mentioned he played

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Speaker 1: with Beacham with the Jets from twenty seventeen and nineteen,

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Speaker 1: So to me, he comes in with experience and the

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00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: fact is that he's a plug in play guy. But

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Speaker 1: they're gonna have open competition. So one practice, we could

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Speaker 1: see Winners getting first team reps, maybe the afternoon. The

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Speaker 1: next day practice we'll see Murray curious to see how

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Speaker 1: they'll approach the preseason games. Not that it means a

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Speaker 1: whole lot, but you're trying to get some chemistry and

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Speaker 1: continuity with your five guys. And then we'll see him

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Speaker 1: alternate some other guys. So I think Winners goes in

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Speaker 1: maybe getting the first team reps, but I do think

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Speaker 1: they're going to alternate with him and Murray, and then

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Speaker 1: we'll see where Josh Jones lines up. Is he lining

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Speaker 1: up at right tackle? Is he your swing tackle? And

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Speaker 1: then we'll also get into Max Garcia because I definitely

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00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: think he's got a spot on the team more from

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Speaker 1: an interior standpoint, but one edge that Murray might have

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Speaker 1: and I don't even think it might have, but it's

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Speaker 1: the experience within this offense he's been here. Brian Winters

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Speaker 1: is a newcomer, but Murray started the final four games

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Speaker 1: last season at right guards, seven starts overall at that spot,

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Speaker 1: and according to Coogler, was quote very consistent. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: is that enough? I don't know. But if you're putting

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Speaker 1: competition out there, who performs the best, and that's where

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Speaker 1: this practice and preseason, I think he might see a

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Speaker 1: lot as far as do you mentioned the rotation and

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Speaker 1: then how deep does that rotation go? Do Josh Jones

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Speaker 1: Max Garcia? Do they get time with that first team

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Speaker 1: offensive line to figure out how they work together as

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Speaker 1: a group. Because Josh Jones might be the wildcard in

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Speaker 1: all of this because drafted in the third round in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty and looked at as a tackle, right tackle

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Speaker 1: or left tackle, and we're informed by Coogs that, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're even working him in inside many he can play

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Speaker 1: the guard position. They like his versatility. Yet at the

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Speaker 1: same time, is this the year for a draft pick

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Speaker 1: to take that next step or is he still might

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Speaker 1: be in the wings waiting his turn. All right, Hypothetically, here,

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Speaker 1: let's say Winner starts at right guard next to Beecham.

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Speaker 1: So now when you look at Justin Murray, he can

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Speaker 1: play four different positions. Now you look at Josh Jones,

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Speaker 1: he can play four different positions. So those guys are

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Speaker 1: dressing on game day, and I think the eighth guy

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Speaker 1: would be Max Garcia. That's a hypothetical if Winner starts,

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Speaker 1: the fact that these guys can play four different positions,

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure you know as as the seventh or

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Speaker 1: eighth guy, you're probably gonna have to learn to snap.

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Speaker 1: But we know Max Garcia is a guy that could

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Speaker 1: be the backup center and he'll be the eighth lineman

848
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Speaker 1: on the roster. But hypothetically, you do have a couple

849
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Speaker 1: of guys that could be your swing tackle or swing guard.

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Speaker 1: And that's important with position flexibility going into any game.

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Speaker 1: You would never want to use it. You never have

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Speaker 1: to or want to use that guy coming off the bench.

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Speaker 1: But if something happens to a DJ Humphreys for a

854
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: series or two, is that Justin Ury, or is that

855
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: Josh Jones. And these are two players in Murray and Jones,

856
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: who can play up and down the line of scrimmage

857
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: and maybe even if you know, in a case an emergency, yes,

858
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: snapped the football. But I do think Max Garcia might

859
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: be that guy that they look at to be that

860
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: backup center, if you will, something should happen with Rodney Hudson.

861
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: Max Garcia is someone we haven't seen a lot of

862
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: as far as on the offense. He's played a lot

863
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: on special teams but has not played on offense. But

864
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: was one of those first hires or first signings, I

865
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,840
Speaker 1: should say, when Kingsbury and Coogler came aboard, because of

866
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 1: the experience and the familiarity that Max Garcia had with

867
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: Sean Coogler. So there's a reason why you know, Garcia

868
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: is still on this roster even though he hasn't played

869
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: a ton on offense. Yeah, and you pointed out, you know,

870
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: when it comes to Josh Jones, he played thirteen games.

871
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 1: It was mainly used as a sixth lineman, a third

872
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: round pick. And again, if you know, we look at

873
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: you know, Max Williams and Drell Daniels, and I do

874
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 1: think the Cardinals going to run twelve personnel, which is

875
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 1: two tight ends. Doesn't have to be two tight ends though,

876
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: it could be Max Williams or Darrell Daniels and Josh Jones.

877
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got the body there, and now all

878
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you're protecting the edges if you do

879
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: want to go three and four or five white. So again,

880
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: I just like, you know, when you're not a starter

881
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,719
Speaker 1: and you can play multiple positions, that's going to get

882
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 1: you wait to get on the field a lot quicker

883
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: than just playing one position. And everyone wants to start,

884
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 1: but there is something to be said about being able

885
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: to come in in a pinch and play multiple positions.

886
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: I'll go back to the original Swiss Army knife, Earl Watford.

887
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,880
Speaker 1: You always have a spot, it seems in the NFL,

888
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: the more you can do, and Watford was one of

889
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: those guys who could do a lot and carved out

890
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: a nice career for himself. Now again, you want to

891
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: be out on that field. You don't want to be

892
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 1: watching from the sidelines. But I do like what you're saying, Like,

893
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: who who doesn't get this starting right guard job? Then

894
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: all of a sudden it's okay let's work them into

895
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 1: where they can be the backup. I'd either guard position

896
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: and then up at tackle as well. The good news

897
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:05,840
Speaker 1: is if they don't start, they're not gonna get buried.

898
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 1: They're gonna be active on game day. And it could be,

899
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: you know, a guy's maybe he's it's an equipment thing,

900
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: or you know, maybe he's got hurt and because they

901
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: blew the whistle, you gotta come out for a play.

902
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 1: Maybe it's a guy and misses one game. But the

903
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: good news is these guys are not going to go

904
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: in the tank and get buried because they're gonna be

905
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: active on game They're one play away from being a

906
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: starter that right guard position. As far as the offensive line,

907
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,640
Speaker 1: something to keep an eye on, Bird Gang as we

908
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: get closer to training camp and then figuring out who

909
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,720
Speaker 1: is getting the first team reps, the second team reps,

910
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: third team reps, if you will, So that would be

911
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: the one question mark on the offensive line. You rattled

912
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 1: off the eight names active on game day, throwing in

913
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: Max Garcia along with a Justin Murray and Josh Jones.

914
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: If Winters is the guy, wonder what that leaves A

915
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: Lamont Gilliard is he able to make this roster. What

916
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: about a Brandon Bowen who has the ability to play

917
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: both guard to a tackle. He was one of those

918
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: offseason additions and then the draft pick, seventh round selection

919
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: at Penn State, Michael Manette. Can he do enough? Or

920
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: seemed more of a quote unquote project. You don't have

921
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: room on the fifty three form this season, but maybe

922
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: if he's able to slide through waivers, you get him

923
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: on the practice squad and all of a sudden you

924
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,719
Speaker 1: work to develop him to be that long term answer

925
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: if you will. Yeah, and I do think they'll keep

926
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: nine or ten again, they'll dress eight on game day

927
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: and this year, you know, because you don't have to

928
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:32,240
Speaker 1: have an extra punter, you know, kicker because of COVID,

929
00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 1: Cardinals are going to load up at certain positions and

930
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,399
Speaker 1: they're hoping to develop these guys for down the road.

931
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,920
Speaker 1: So they may not be you know, active on game day,

932
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 1: but I think they're going to do a different job

933
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: where you don't have to cover because of COVID, you know,

934
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: tracing and all that. The impression I get is they're

935
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 1: going to load up on a couple of different positions.

936
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Speaker 1: It's going to be offensive line, it could be d line,

937
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 1: it could be wide receiver. Because we know there's injuries

938
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: that occur throughout the course of the season. You never

939
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 1: hope it happens, but you have to be prepared for

940
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: that to happen. I think the Cardinals certainly like the

941
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,160
Speaker 1: depth at the offensive line. You've got your five starters

942
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: and then some capable quality backups if you will, that

943
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: might be maybe even considered starters on another team. And

944
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: that's what you like if you're the general manager, when

945
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: you look at your roster, let your second team is

946
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,919
Speaker 1: maybe perhaps good enough to be a starter on another team. Yeah,

947
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brand up Brandon Boland because he looks

948
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: the party and it's just a matter you know, what's

949
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: his natural position. He looks like he can play on

950
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: the outside. But he's a guy that would be practice

951
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: squad eligible. You get an injury through the year, you

952
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 1: got you know, you got the guy that's been in

953
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: the system for at least a couple of at least

954
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 1: an offseason. So again, I do think they're going to

955
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: slide a couple of these guys on the practice squad.

956
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: Bowen six seven, three hundred and fifteen pounds. You also

957
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: got Coda Martin six six three h four, Joshua Miles

958
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: the twenty nineteen seventh round pick six five three twenty five.

959
00:46:54,360 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 1: So they again all look the part. Now all of

960
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: a sudden, it's can you play the part of an

961
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 1: offensive life? Yeah? And I think, you know, again, I

962
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:07,160
Speaker 1: think Buddy Buddy Morris does a great job with the

963
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 1: training of these guys. You know, they've spent a lot

964
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 1: of time in the weight room and they have different

965
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: drills this year, so I would think that that's not

966
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 1: going to be an issue. It's you know, it's just

967
00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: more coming together and creating chemistry. And if your numbers called,

968
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 1: you better be ready. We started off this conversation about

969
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:26,759
Speaker 1: talking about the offensive line. I referred to it as

970
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: the most important position group. You called it the backbone.

971
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: Either way, I think we're in agreement that this team,

972
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: specifically offensively, is going to be successful as long as

973
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: the offensive line is successful and everyone works in tandem.

974
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 1: But you have to have those five guys up front

975
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,960
Speaker 1: doing their job. So Kyler Murray and everyone else, the

976
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,919
Speaker 1: skilled position players are afforded the opportunity to do their jobs. Yeah,

977
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: And like I said, I you know, you have to

978
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: run the ball, especially in this division. I know that

979
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, at the end of the day, it's how

980
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: many points you have on the board, and you know,

981
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:03,600
Speaker 1: if this defense can carry their water. Initially, you know,

982
00:48:03,880 --> 00:48:06,080
Speaker 1: I'm not seeing you know, keep teams in the teams

983
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: that would be a goal, but you're gonna have to

984
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 1: score points at some point. To me, if you run

985
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,399
Speaker 1: the ball went into line of scrimmage early in the game,

986
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: that opened us up the play action and hopefully the

987
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: defense can force more turnovers to give the offense a

988
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: short field to play with. So, Burt Gang, that is

989
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: our discussion on the offensive line, and we'll continue these

990
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 1: position by position breakdowns here in the off season as

991
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: we work our way towards training camp, because I do

992
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:31,239
Speaker 1: think it's good to do a little bit of refresher

993
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: to figure out, all right, what exactly is as far

994
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,799
Speaker 1: as what's going on with these positions, because a lot

995
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: of moving parts during the course of an off season

996
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:41,960
Speaker 1: between free agency and the draft, and all of a sudden,

997
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:45,280
Speaker 1: you maybe lose sight of different things and we focus

998
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: more on the most recent signing, the most recent draft pick.

999
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,879
Speaker 1: But looking at a big picture, position by position, I'm

1000
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: gonna enjoy this exercise MG over the next several weeks. Yeah,

1001
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: I mean last year we didn't get a chance to

1002
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: see anybody on the field, so we were you know,

1003
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: we're out there every day, but there was three days

1004
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: where we can watch practice and you know, after twenty

1005
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,279
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, we can't talk about it. But this

1006
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: is night and day. So it's not like we're guessing here.

1007
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,080
Speaker 1: We see it with our eyes and we see how

1008
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:17,000
Speaker 1: close the chemistry and the personalities are on this team,

1009
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 1: and you know, bringing in guys like JJ Watt and

1010
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: Rodney Hudson, I mean the leadership they're going to bring

1011
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 1: in the locker room. So we have a lot more

1012
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,799
Speaker 1: to go on than last year. Not that we were

1013
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: faking it. We you know, obviously we talked to people

1014
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,560
Speaker 1: when we try to connect odds, but we had no

1015
00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: idea going into training camp who was lining up there.

1016
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: Now we have an idea, and that it could change

1017
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: over the next couple of you know, nothing's going to

1018
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 1: happen until late July. But I can sit here and

1019
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 1: say I'm more confident in my opinion about things because

1020
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: I was able to see it and we got you know,

1021
00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,040
Speaker 1: between the big red rage and the coaches that go

1022
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,680
Speaker 1: on there. We got to talk to talk to advance

1023
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: last week. I'm more educated on what the roster looks like.

1024
00:49:53,640 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: We're Last year, you kind of had to wait and

1025
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: there was no preseason games because we really couldn't evaluate things.

1026
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: I think that's a good word, well educated, and beats

1027
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Speaker 1: not being educated at all, which I think a lot

1028
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,360
Speaker 1: of us were swimming a lot last season, especially with

1029
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 1: nothing out there as far as off season, and just

1030
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: kind of going by what we hear as opposed to

1031
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 1: what we say so or what we see. I guess

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Speaker 1: I should say on that note, how about we put

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