WEBVTT - Tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Tracy V.

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<v Speaker 1>Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. Hey. I'm thinking about vaccines

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<v Speaker 1>a lot right now for reasons including rapidly growing measles

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<v Speaker 1>outbreak that we have happening in the US right now.

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<v Speaker 1>I originally had numbers of cases here in the outline,

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<v Speaker 1>but that number increased by like two hundred just in

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<v Speaker 1>the time that I was working on this. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to track. By the time this comes out, those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers would be woefully out. Sabe. Yeah, two more weeks

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<v Speaker 1>are going to pass before this is out, so those

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<v Speaker 1>numbers would be wrong anyway by then. Also, just a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of upsetting and alarming developments happening in the US

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<v Speaker 1>Department of Health and Human Services and the National Institute

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<v Speaker 1>of Health. We have already done an episode on measles

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<v Speaker 1>that came out on February twenty eighth of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's a little bit more recent than we would

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<v Speaker 1>typically rerun as a Saturday Classic. So I decided to

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<v Speaker 1>take a look at another disease that's preventable today. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to vaccines which do not cause autism. Not any vaccine,

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<v Speaker 1>not for any disease. None of them cause autism. The disease, though,

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<v Speaker 1>is tetanus. Since this is an episode about a medical development,

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<v Speaker 1>of course there will be some medical experiment stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>the episode, including some experiments involving animals. I really don't

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<v Speaker 1>think any of that is particularly graphic, but just in case,

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I can handle it based on my read through,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a pretty low bar of getting upsetness. So

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<v Speaker 1>I think we're safe. But if not, I'm sorry. Tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>has probably been around for most of human history, possibly

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<v Speaker 1>even longer. It's caused by the bacteria Clostridium tetani, which

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<v Speaker 1>is present in the environment in a lot of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>It's described with words like ubiquitous. In the words of

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<v Speaker 1>John Sundwall in a lecture given under the auspices of

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<v Speaker 1>the Kansas Academy of Science in nineteen seventeen, quote, this

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<v Speaker 1>germ has a wide distribution, and its spores are found

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<v Speaker 1>wherever there is dirt. Barnyards are veritable repositories for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Rusty nails appear to be rendezvous. Even the dirt that

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<v Speaker 1>besmears the healthy living child may contain millions of these

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<v Speaker 1>spores of Tetanus basillai. The spores can only grow when

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<v Speaker 1>they gain deep entrance into the body and are shut

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<v Speaker 1>off from oxygen. One of the oldest known medical texts

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<v Speaker 1>in the world is the Edwin Smith Surgical Papyrus, named

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<v Speaker 1>for Edwin Smith, who bought it in eighteen sixty two.

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<v Speaker 1>This Egyptian medical text dates back to about fifteen hundred BCE,

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<v Speaker 1>and it includes a description of somebody with a head

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<v Speaker 1>injury that penetrated all the way through the futures of

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<v Speaker 1>the skull. Afterward, according to one translation, quote, the cord

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<v Speaker 1>of his mandible is contracted. He discharges blood from both

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<v Speaker 1>his nostrils and from both his ears, while he suffers

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<v Speaker 1>with stiffness in his neck. As this patient's condition progresses quote,

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<v Speaker 1>his mouth is bound, both his eyebrows are drawn, while

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<v Speaker 1>his face is as if he wept. This earliest description

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<v Speaker 1>is usually translated and interpreted as describing a case of tetanus,

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<v Speaker 1>but it doesn't entirely convey what tetanus is like as

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<v Speaker 1>an illness. Tetanus doesn't cause bleeding from the ears or nose.

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<v Speaker 1>That was probably a product of the patient's head trauma,

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<v Speaker 1>not the tetanus that followed it. Beyond that, without getting

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<v Speaker 1>into a lengthy backgrounder on neurotransmitters, Claustritium tetani produces two toxins,

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<v Speaker 1>and one of them, called tetanospasmen, interferes with neurotransmitter that

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<v Speaker 1>control motor neuron activity. The nerves start firing uncontrollably, which

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<v Speaker 1>causes intense muscle spasms. These can be excruciating and powerful

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<v Speaker 1>enough to cause compression fractures or other breaks in a

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<v Speaker 1>person's bones. Tetanus can also lead to suffocation and heart failure.

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<v Speaker 1>Even with medical treatment, tetanus is fatal between ten and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty percent of the time, and without treatment the fatality

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<v Speaker 1>rate goes up to eighty five percent or even more.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounds awful, yes it does. The muscles in the

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<v Speaker 1>face and the jaw are often affected in tetanus, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can cause a person to look like they are grinning.

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<v Speaker 1>The spasms also cause tristmas, also known as lockjaw, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can make it difficult or impossible for the persons

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<v Speaker 1>who open their mouth. The Edwin Smith Papyrus offers a

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<v Speaker 1>way to try to deal with this lock jaw that's

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<v Speaker 1>by placing a wooden brace padded with linen in the

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<v Speaker 1>patient's mouth to try to keep it open enough that

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<v Speaker 1>they can be fed a liquid diet while being kept upright.

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<v Speaker 1>Tetanus also appears in the Sashruda Samhita, which dates back

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<v Speaker 1>to about the sixth century BCE and is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the foundational texts of iervedic medicine. We did an episode

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<v Speaker 1>on Sashruda in January of twenty nineteen. In a chapter

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<v Speaker 1>on diseases of the nervous system, the Sashruda Samhita describes

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<v Speaker 1>one caused by enraged or agitated value that's the air

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<v Speaker 1>element in iervedic medicine. This disease quote rarely yields to

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<v Speaker 1>medicine and is cured in rare instances only with the

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<v Speaker 1>greatest difficulty. Its characteristic symptom being a paralysis of the jawbone,

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<v Speaker 1>which makes deglutition extremely difficult. This disease in the text

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<v Speaker 1>is described as bending the body like a bow and

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<v Speaker 1>in its extreme form, fixing the eyes in their sockets,

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<v Speaker 1>paralyzing the jaw and breaking the sides. The Chinese medical

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<v Speaker 1>text known as the Yellow Emperor's Classic of Internal medicine

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<v Speaker 1>is attributed to a semi mythical figure who's described as

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<v Speaker 1>living around twenty six hundred BCE, but it was probably

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<v Speaker 1>written more than two thousand years later than that. Traditional

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese medicine incorporates the idea of energy channels or meridians

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<v Speaker 1>in the body. The translation of the Yellow Emperor's Classic

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<v Speaker 1>that I had access to for research didn't use the

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<v Speaker 1>word tetanus anywhere, but it describes the collapse of the

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<v Speaker 1>chi in the bladder and small intestine meridian as causing opisthoughtanus,

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<v Speaker 1>stiffness in the back, convulsive spasms, paleness, and spontaneous sweating.

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<v Speaker 1>Once that sweating stops, the patient dies. Apisthoughtanus is the extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>very arching spasms that are associated with tetanus. The first

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<v Speaker 1>thing we'd think of as a really clear clinical description

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<v Speaker 1>of tetanus from a more Western medical perspective is from

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<v Speaker 1>Greek physician Hippocrates, written around the fifth century BCE. In

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<v Speaker 1>a treatise on Internal afflictions, Hippocrates describes three types of tetanus. First,

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<v Speaker 1>when it follows a wound, Hippocrates says, the patient's quote

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<v Speaker 1>jaws are fixed and he is unable to open his mouth,

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<v Speaker 1>his eyes shed tears and look awry. His back becomes rigid.

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<v Speaker 1>He cannot bend his legs, nor his arms and spine.

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<v Speaker 1>Hippocrates describes this disease as severe and requiring a media

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<v Speaker 1>attention and in many cases fatal. For treatment, Hippocrates advises

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<v Speaker 1>anointing the patient with warm oil infused with wormwood, bay leaves,

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<v Speaker 1>or hen made seed with frankincense soaked in white wine.

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<v Speaker 1>According to Hippocrates, the second type of tetanus is similar,

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<v Speaker 1>but it starts with angina also pronounced angina that's chest pain,

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<v Speaker 1>or with a saff infection or separation of the tonsils,

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<v Speaker 1>and occasionally it can also start with a wound. Quote

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<v Speaker 1>this patient is drawn backwards and cries aloud from the

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<v Speaker 1>pain in his back and chest. He is drawn so

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<v Speaker 1>forcefully that the attendants can hardly prevent him from falling

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<v Speaker 1>out of bed. Then the third form is less lethal,

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<v Speaker 1>arising from some of the same possible causes or from

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<v Speaker 1>having fallen backward. Another work by Hippocrates called on Epidemics,

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<v Speaker 1>also includes several examples of tennis cases, One developed after

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<v Speaker 1>a surgery, another after a javelin wound after a person's

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<v Speaker 1>finger was crushed by an anchor after an ankle injury

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<v Speaker 1>whose treatment involved irritating the wound, after being injured by

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<v Speaker 1>a piece of wood from a missile thrown by a catapult.

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<v Speaker 1>In the words of Roman author Alice Cornelius Celsus in

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<v Speaker 1>the first century CE, quote, there is no disease more

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<v Speaker 1>distressing and more acute than that which, by a sort

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<v Speaker 1>of rigor of the sinews, now draws down the head

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<v Speaker 1>to the shoulder blades, now the chin to the chest,

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<v Speaker 1>now stretches out the next straight and immobile. The Greeks

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<v Speaker 1>call the first aposthotanus, the next amprosthotanus, and the last tetanus,

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<v Speaker 1>although some with less exactitude use these terms indiscriminately. For

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<v Speaker 1>centuries after this, European medical writing on tetanus tended to

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<v Speaker 1>be really similar. Many physicians base their work on Hippocrates.

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<v Speaker 1>Even if Hippocrates wasn't cited, they still usually described tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>as following a wound. Most commented on how often the

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<v Speaker 1>condition was fatal, and many of the recommended treatments related

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<v Speaker 1>to things that one might hope would relieve the spasms,

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<v Speaker 1>like being rubbed with oils or wines or liniments or

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<v Speaker 1>wrapped in warm dressings or given warm baths. In the

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<v Speaker 1>sixteenth century, past podcast subject Amboise Parre developed an instrument

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<v Speaker 1>to open a tetanus patient's mouth so that they could

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<v Speaker 1>be fed. Overall, the focus was on trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>the muscles to relax and supporting the patient with the

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<v Speaker 1>hope that they would recover, but often a certainty that

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<v Speaker 1>they would not. Knowledge of the cause of tetanus and

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<v Speaker 1>how to treat and prevent it didn't really start to

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<v Speaker 1>advance until the nineteenth century, which we will get to

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<v Speaker 1>after a sponsor break. As we said, before the break,

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<v Speaker 1>people figured out that tetanus was connected to wounds thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of years ago, but it wasn't until the nineteenth century

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<v Speaker 1>that we started to get a sense of exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening inside those wounds and elsewhere in the body.

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<v Speaker 1>In eighteen thirty eight, Luigi Carlo Ferini gave an address

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<v Speaker 1>before the Medical Turgical Society of Bologna in which he

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<v Speaker 1>described the use of electricity in the treatment of tetanus.

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<v Speaker 1>He had based this on the work of Carlo Mettiucci,

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<v Speaker 1>who was experimenting with electricity and frogs. Farini found that

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<v Speaker 1>the application of direct current to the body of a

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<v Speaker 1>patient who had developed tetanus after a gunshot wound seemed

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<v Speaker 1>to interrupt the spasms. Unfortunately, this effect was temporary. It

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<v Speaker 1>lasted only about thirty minutes. This didn't really provide a

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<v Speaker 1>breakthrough in the understanding of tetanus, but it was connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the electrical activity of the neurons that is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the disease. Several discoveries were made. In eighteen eighty four,

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<v Speaker 1>Italian scientists Antonio Carle and Giorgio Rotone had both studied

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<v Speaker 1>medicine in Turin. They exposed a rat but to fluid

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<v Speaker 1>from a sore from someone who had died of tetanus,

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<v Speaker 1>and that rabbit also developed tetanus. This showed some kind

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<v Speaker 1>of contagion was causing the disease. But to be clear,

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<v Speaker 1>tetanus is not transmitted from person to person. You would

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<v Speaker 1>have to really do something on purpose like this. Also

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen eighty four, Arthur Nicolier, who was a twenty

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<v Speaker 1>two year old medical student in Germany, identified a bacillus

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<v Speaker 1>in the soil. If you look at this basillis under

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<v Speaker 1>a microscope, it looks kind of like a tiny straight pin.

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<v Speaker 1>There's this rod like basillis with a knob on the end.

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<v Speaker 1>That knob is the spore. Today, we know that these

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<v Speaker 1>spores are incredibly hearty, they are resistant to most disinfectants,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can survive freezing and being autoclaved at a

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<v Speaker 1>temperature of one hundred and twenty one degrees celsius or

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<v Speaker 1>two forty nine point eight fahrenheit for ten or fifteen minutes.

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<v Speaker 1>Nicolier induce tetanus in mice by injecting them with soil

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<v Speaker 1>that was contaminated with this spore forming basillis. He concluded

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<v Speaker 1>that the basillis produced a poison that acted similarly to strychnine.

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<v Speaker 1>Within a few years, multiple researchers all concluded that this

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<v Speaker 1>basillis could produce a toxin. While Nicolier was able to

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<v Speaker 1>find the tetanus basillis in the soil, he was not

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<v Speaker 1>able to isolate it in a lab. Credit for that

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<v Speaker 1>goes to Japanese physician and bacteriologist Kitasato Shiva Siburo in

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen eighty nine. Kitasato was born in Japan and had

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<v Speaker 1>earned his medical degree from the University of Tokyo Medical

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<v Speaker 1>School in eighteen eighty three. Two years later, the Japanese

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<v Speaker 1>government had sent him to the Institute of Hygiene in

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin to study bacteriology and infectious diseases with groundbreaking microbiologist

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<v Speaker 1>Robert Koch. It was while in Berlin that Quitasato isolated

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<v Speaker 1>the tetanus bacillis Clestridium tetanani is an anaerobic microorganism, so

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<v Speaker 1>doing this required Kitasato to develop new methods for growing

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria while also keeping them isolated from the air. Kitasato

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<v Speaker 1>started working with physiologist Emil von Behring, who is from

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<v Speaker 1>West Prussia in what's now Germany. While Kitasato was studying tetanus,

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<v Speaker 1>von Behring was studying diphtheria. We have talked about diphtheria

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<v Speaker 1>in our episode on the Nome Serum run that ran

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<v Speaker 1>as a Saturday Classic on January twenty second, twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>These diseases have some similarities. They're both caused by bacteria

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<v Speaker 1>producing toxins rather than by those bacteria reproducing and proliferating

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<v Speaker 1>within the body. This is one reason why still today

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<v Speaker 1>there's no definitive lab test for tetanus. Once a person

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<v Speaker 1>has developed symptoms, tetanus bacteria are found in their wound

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<v Speaker 1>only about thirty percent of the time time, and the

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria can also be present in the wounds of people

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<v Speaker 1>who have no symptoms and never develop the disease. In

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen ninety, Kitasato and von Behring published a paper titled

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<v Speaker 1>the Mechanism of Immunity and Animals to Diphtheria and Tetanus.

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<v Speaker 1>This paper described a method they had found to prevent

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<v Speaker 1>tetanus and healthy animals. From an English translation of the paper,

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<v Speaker 1>they summed it up in a sentence quote, the immunity

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<v Speaker 1>of rabbits and mice which have been immunized against tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>depends on the ability of the cell free blood fluid

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<v Speaker 1>to render harmless the toxic substance which the Tetanus bacillis produces.

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<v Speaker 1>In their experiments, these two men exposed animals to a

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<v Speaker 1>weakened version of the toxin, gradually building up their immunity.

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<v Speaker 1>Then they did a series of experiments to show that

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<v Speaker 1>the blood serum of these animals could neutralize the toxins

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<v Speaker 1>in other aias animals. In other words, the serum contained antitoxins,

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<v Speaker 1>also called antibodies. Kittasato and von Bearing injected rabbits with

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<v Speaker 1>serum that contained these antibodies, and then they exposed the

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<v Speaker 1>rabbits to an amount of tetanus bacteria that had previously

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<v Speaker 1>been proven to be fatal. Every rabbit remained healthy. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the same was true if the treated rabbits were

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<v Speaker 1>injected with tetanus toxin instead of with the bacteria that

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<v Speaker 1>produce it. These rabbits could withstand a dose of toxin

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<v Speaker 1>that was twenty times higher than what it would take

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<v Speaker 1>to kill an untreated rabbit. Kittasato and von Bearing also

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<v Speaker 1>said that the serum from these immune animals could be

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<v Speaker 1>used as a therapeutic treatment on animals that had already

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<v Speaker 1>developed tetanus. A week after this paper was published, Von

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<v Speaker 1>Bearing published another paper on his own, which was focused

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<v Speaker 1>only on diphtheria, and the work he started eventually led

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<v Speaker 1>to a reliable treatment for that disease. He was awarded

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<v Speaker 1>the Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine for this work

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen oh one, the first time that prize was

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<v Speaker 1>ever awarded. Since the Nobel Prize committee was focused on

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<v Speaker 1>diphtheria and not tetanus, Kitasato was not included in the

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<v Speaker 1>award or mentioned in the speech. Side note. Kitasato left

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<v Speaker 1>Germany in eighteen ninety one, returning to Japan and establishing

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<v Speaker 1>his own laboratory that was later subsidized by the Japanese government. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety four, he was sent to Hong Kong

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<v Speaker 1>during an epidemic of bubonic plague. There he isolated and

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<v Speaker 1>identified the Bacillis that was causing that disease, a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days before Swiss researcher Alexandra Yersen made the same discovery.

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<v Speaker 1>Although Kitasato published his work on this first, Yarson's was

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<v Speaker 1>seen as more conclusively linking the disease to the basillis,

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<v Speaker 1>and that bacillus today is known as Rcinia pestis after him.

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<v Speaker 1>Quitasato and von Bhring had made definitive connections between tetanus bacteria,

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<v Speaker 1>the toxin it produced, and the protective value of blood

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<v Speaker 1>serum from animals that had developed an immunity to that toxin,

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<v Speaker 1>but their work was just small animals like rabbits, guinea pigs,

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<v Speaker 1>and mice. It didn't immediately lead to workable treatments for

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<v Speaker 1>humans or for other large animals. That started to change

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen ninety five, when Edmund Nocard reported success with

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<v Speaker 1>horses tetanus bacteria really thrive in horse manures, so tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>could be a serious problem for cavalry units, farmers, basically

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere that there were lots of horses. No Card was

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<v Speaker 1>a veterinarian, a veterinary professor, and a biologist who had

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<v Speaker 1>worked with Louis Pasteur. After his initial success, no Card

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<v Speaker 1>produced about seven thousand files of anti tetanus serum and

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<v Speaker 1>he distributed it among his veterinary colleagues. The first anti

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<v Speaker 1>tetanus serums used in humans followed not long afterward. Throughout history,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the groups most at risk for tetanus infection

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<v Speaker 1>has been newborn babies, but among medical researchers in the

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<v Speaker 1>late nineteenth century, tetanus was more often thought of as

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<v Speaker 1>a hazard on the battlefield. There had been five hundred

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<v Speaker 1>five reported cases during the US Civil War with a

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<v Speaker 1>mortality rate of eighty nine percent, and three hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty reported cases during the Franco Prussian War with a

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<v Speaker 1>mortality rate of ninety percent. Tetanus became a bigger threat

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<v Speaker 1>during World War One, which started about twenty years after

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<v Speaker 1>not cards discoveries, and we'll get into that after a

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<v Speaker 1>sponsor break earlier In the episode, we read from a

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<v Speaker 1>lecture given by John Sundwall in nineteen seventeen. Here is

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<v Speaker 1>something else that lecture had to say about tetanus quote.

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<v Speaker 1>It is known as the fourth of July bacillis. It

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<v Speaker 1>was once a customed to exhibit our copious and excessive

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<v Speaker 1>patriotism with every form of pyrotechnic art. Frequently premature explosions

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<v Speaker 1>of the firecrackers, et cetera drove the accumulated dirt on

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<v Speaker 1>the hand with its numerous spores, deep into the skin,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a rule, the obituary column of the local

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<v Speaker 1>press within a few days would announce the subsequent fate

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<v Speaker 1>of many of our little patriots. This basic idea also

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<v Speaker 1>applied to the battlefield during World War One. Advances in

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<v Speaker 1>munitions and explosive meant that more soldiers were being struck

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<v Speaker 1>with shrapnel and debris that could drive tetanusors deep into

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<v Speaker 1>their bodies a lot more often. The proliferation of trench

0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:09.240
<v Speaker 1>warfare also meant that more soldiers were developing conditions like

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<v Speaker 1>trench foot and frostbite, both of which could lead to

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<v Speaker 1>breaks in the skin that could provide an entry point

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<v Speaker 1>for tetanus bacteria. Over the course of the war, doctors

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<v Speaker 1>also concluded that infections with aerobic bacteria could facilitate tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>infections by consuming the oxygen in a wound, leaving an

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<v Speaker 1>environment that was hospitable to the anaerobic Tetanus bacillis. In

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<v Speaker 1>the years before the war, researchers had started producing tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>antitoxin for use in humans by building up the immunity

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<v Speaker 1>of horses and then harvesting their serum. By the time

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<v Speaker 1>the war started, the Institute Pasteur was preparing about eighty

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<v Speaker 1>thousand vials of tetanus anti toxin for humans using about

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred horses. By nineteen the institute had nearly fifteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundred horses, producing more than six hundred thousand vials of

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<v Speaker 1>anti toxin per month. The Institute Pastor was not the

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<v Speaker 1>only place that was doing this. That's just what I

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<v Speaker 1>had the numbers for. Over the course of the war, essentially,

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<v Speaker 1>through trial and error, civilian and military doctors and surgeons

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<v Speaker 1>worked out treatment and prevention protocols for tetanus in injured soldiers,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was through use of these serums. Ultimately, the

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<v Speaker 1>treatment started with treating the wound itself, excizing all wounds

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<v Speaker 1>and removing all the damage tissue, ideally within twelve hours

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<v Speaker 1>of the injury. This is because doctors found a clear

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<v Speaker 1>connection between the presence of tetanus bacteria and the wounds

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<v Speaker 1>of soldiers whose injuries were surgically treated and those who weren't.

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<v Speaker 1>Like we said earlier, it's often not possible to find

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<v Speaker 1>bacteria in the wounds of people who developed tetanus, but

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<v Speaker 1>there was still a clear correlation there. Tetanus rates were

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<v Speaker 1>lower in soldiers whose wounds had been exized, even if

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<v Speaker 1>that first excision didn't lead to satisfactory wound healing and

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<v Speaker 1>it had to be redone and then after their wounds

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<v Speaker 1>were excised, the soldiers were treated with tetanus antibody serum,

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<v Speaker 1>both as a prophylactic measure if there was enough available,

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<v Speaker 1>and as a treatment if they started developing signs of tetanus.

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<v Speaker 1>One bulletin from the UK War Office Committee for the

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<v Speaker 1>Study of Tetanus advised nurses to be alert for symptoms quote.

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<v Speaker 1>All nursing sisters engaged in dressing wounds should be warned

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<v Speaker 1>to give the alarm if the muscles round the wound

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<v Speaker 1>are found to be harder or more rigid than the

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<v Speaker 1>muscles of the uninjured limb or side. Over the course

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<v Speaker 1>of the war, doctors also developed standard doses of tetanus antitoxin.

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<v Speaker 1>By nineteen nineteen, the prophylactic dose was five hundred units

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<v Speaker 1>contained in three cubic centimeters or less of horse serum.

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<v Speaker 1>A unit was quote ten times the least quantity of

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<v Speaker 1>anti technic serum necessary to save the life of a

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<v Speaker 1>three hundred and fifty gram guinea pig for ninety six hours,

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<v Speaker 1>against the official test dose of a standard toxin furnished

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<v Speaker 1>by the Hygienic Laboratory of the Public Health and Marine

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<v Speaker 1>Hospital Service, a super easy unit of measures. I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 1>that the Germans had a different standard, probably at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe not. Under ideal circumstances, an injured soldier was given

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<v Speaker 1>the first prophylactic dose by injection as soon as he

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<v Speaker 1>had been removed from the line of fire. Subsequent injections

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<v Speaker 1>were shown to significantly reduce the risk of developing tetanus,

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<v Speaker 1>but whether soldiers actually got those additional doses just really

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<v Speaker 1>depended on whether there was enough serum available and whether

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<v Speaker 1>the medical staff had the capacity to do it. If

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<v Speaker 1>they were just really overwhelmed. It might not happen even

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<v Speaker 1>when soldiers only got one injection, though they tended to

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<v Speaker 1>have milder or more localized cases of tetanus if they

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<v Speaker 1>still developed it. Doses of anti toxin for treatment rather

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<v Speaker 1>than prophylaxis, could be much higher, ranging from fifty thousand

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<v Speaker 1>to one hundred thousand units in the early days of treatment,

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<v Speaker 1>depending on whether the patient's body seemed to be responding

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<v Speaker 1>to it. One of the reasons for working out the

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<v Speaker 1>lowest effective dose of antitoxin was, of course, to conserve

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<v Speaker 1>a limited supply, but another was the risk of severe

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<v Speaker 1>allergic reactions to the horse serum, which was known as

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<v Speaker 1>serum sickness. This risk seemed to be higher at higher doses.

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<v Speaker 1>For example, a nineteen nineteen report by the UK War

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<v Speaker 1>Office Committee for the Study of Tetanus reported that two

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<v Speaker 1>million prophylactic doses of anti tetanic serum had been administered

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<v Speaker 1>to soldiers being treated in England, and there had been

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<v Speaker 1>eleven cases of shock related to the serum. All of

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<v Speaker 1>those patients did recover, but in the fourteen hundred cases

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<v Speaker 1>of tetanus they were treated with therapeutic doses in England,

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<v Speaker 1>there were forty nine cases of shock, or three point

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<v Speaker 1>five percent of the patients. Among those patients, twelve died

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<v Speaker 1>or zero point eight percent of those fourteen hundred cases,

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<v Speaker 1>but some of those deaths likely were not related to

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<v Speaker 1>the anti toxins, so this was rare, but it could happen.

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<v Speaker 1>The development of tetanus anti taxin almost completely eliminated tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>among injured soldiers by the end of the war. For example,

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<v Speaker 1>in France, at the start of the war, about one

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<v Speaker 1>and a quarter percent of the soldiers who were admitted

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<v Speaker 1>to the hospital developed tetanus, and all of those patients died.

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<v Speaker 1>After the tetanus anti toxin serum was introduced to that

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<v Speaker 1>number of tetans cases dropped to zero. Results were pretty

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<v Speaker 1>similar across other armies involved on both sides of the war.

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<v Speaker 1>While tetanus anti toxin could be administered to soldiers prophylactically

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<v Speaker 1>after they were injured, it wasn't a vaccine that could

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<v Speaker 1>offer more long term resistance to the disease. But in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty four, another French veterinarian and bacteriologists, Gaston Ramon,

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<v Speaker 1>developed the first tetanus vaccine. Ramon had previously developed a

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<v Speaker 1>similar vaccine for diphtheria. This vaccine is known as tetanus toxoid.

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<v Speaker 1>Toxoid is a toxin that's been inactivated so that it's

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<v Speaker 1>no longer dangerous, so the immune system learns to produce

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<v Speaker 1>antibodies to the toxin before it encounters the real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>This vaccine can also help prevent tetanus from developing if

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<v Speaker 1>it's administered to an otherwise unvaccinated person after they have

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<v Speaker 1>sustained an injury. During World War Two, so tetanus toxoid

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:05.040
<v Speaker 1>became a routine vaccine administered to soldiers, and then it

0:28:05.080 --> 0:28:08.520
<v Speaker 1>became more widely available to the general public after the

0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.840
<v Speaker 1>war was over. It seems like deaths from tetanus started

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<v Speaker 1>to drop as soon as the vaccine was put into use,

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<v Speaker 1>but there isn't consistent data on that. In the US,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, tetanus did not become a reportable disease until

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen forty seven, so before that point we don't have

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<v Speaker 1>an exact number for how many people contracted tetanus. But

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<v Speaker 1>the largest number of tetanus cases reported in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States was in nineteen forty eight, and from there the

0:28:37.920 --> 0:28:42.440
<v Speaker 1>numbers declined. Deaths from tetanus have decreased by ninety nine

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:47.160
<v Speaker 1>percent in the US since nineteen forty seven. The vaccine

0:28:47.200 --> 0:28:50.320
<v Speaker 1>that was being used when it was first introduced targeted

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>three illnesses tetanus, diphtheria, and protessis, all of which are

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<v Speaker 1>caused by toxin producing bacteria. Today, in the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>the two versions of the tetanus vaccine that are most

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<v Speaker 1>widely used are teet APP, which targets all three of

0:29:06.440 --> 0:29:12.120
<v Speaker 1>those diseases, and td which targets only tetanus and diphtheria.

0:29:12.240 --> 0:29:16.640
<v Speaker 1>Tetanus antitoxin is still also used to treat people who

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<v Speaker 1>do develop symptoms of tetanus and to prevent it in

0:29:20.360 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>people who sustain some kind of injury and have not

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<v Speaker 1>been vaccinated. It's usually called tetanus immune globulin, and it

0:29:28.360 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 1>can be made using horse serum or serum from donated

0:29:32.840 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>human blood, which carries less of a risk of serum sickness.

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<v Speaker 1>Because tetanus exists in the soil and forms very hardy spores,

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't a disease that could be eradicated like smallpox

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<v Speaker 1>or render pest, at least not with any technology that

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<v Speaker 1>exists today. We do have episodes about the eradication of

0:29:53.160 --> 0:29:56.640
<v Speaker 1>both smallpox and render pest for more information on those.

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<v Speaker 1>Tetanos spores are basically all around all the time, and

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<v Speaker 1>recovering from tetanus doesn't make you immune to it later on,

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<v Speaker 1>so the closest thing to eradication is ensuring broad vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>coverage so that people who are exposed to tetanus bacteria

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<v Speaker 1>don't develop the disease. Today, the World Health Organization recommends

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<v Speaker 1>a six vaccine series that stretches over a person's infancy, childhood,

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<v Speaker 1>and adolescence. This six shot series is close to one

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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent effective. Some countries, including the United States, also

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<v Speaker 1>recommend a booster every ten years. Tetanus is rare and

0:30:37.840 --> 0:30:41.320
<v Speaker 1>wealthy parts of the world where there are robust vaccine

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<v Speaker 1>programs and where the vaccine is also available in places

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<v Speaker 1>like doctors' offices, urgent care centers, and emergency rooms for

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<v Speaker 1>people who sustain some kind of injury and need that vaccine,

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<v Speaker 1>but it is still a major cause of death in

0:30:57.400 --> 0:31:01.760
<v Speaker 1>poorer countries than regions where that's not the case. Tetanus

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<v Speaker 1>cases can also spike after major natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis,

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<v Speaker 1>and hurricanes. Today, the majority of tetanus cases and deaths

0:31:12.120 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>are in newborns. Babies who are born in surroundings that

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 1>aren't sanitary, or whose umbilical cords are cut with instruments

0:31:19.320 --> 0:31:22.800
<v Speaker 1>that are not sterile, or whose umbilical stumps are covered

0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:27.400
<v Speaker 1>in non sterile dressings. People can also contract tetanus after

0:31:27.440 --> 0:31:32.040
<v Speaker 1>giving birth in these kinds of environments. In the nineteen eighties,

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>the World Health Organization and other organizations embarked on the

0:31:36.760 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Maternal and Neonatal Tetanus Elimination Initiative. This initiative was then

0:31:42.680 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 1>relaunched in nineteen ninety nine, and it involves multiple strategies

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 1>including improving access to skilled birth attendants who use hygienic

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:58.000
<v Speaker 1>practices during delivery and newborn care, and vaccine programs, including

0:31:58.160 --> 0:32:03.040
<v Speaker 1>immunizing people during pregnantancy. When somebody is immune to tetanus,

0:32:03.080 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 1>that immunity passes to their child and it protects the

0:32:06.400 --> 0:32:09.400
<v Speaker 1>newborn during their first weeks of life until they can

0:32:09.400 --> 0:32:13.240
<v Speaker 1>get their own vaccines. Same thing is true for protessis

0:32:13.280 --> 0:32:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and diphtheria, which are the other two diseases prevented by

0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>the t EDAPP vaccine. This transfer of maternal tetanus antibodies

0:32:22.280 --> 0:32:25.840
<v Speaker 1>was studied back in the nineteenth century, when German physician

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Paul Irlick conducted experimentss with mice and goats and their offspring.

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<v Speaker 1>Between nineteen ninety eight and twenty eighteen, tetanus rates in

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 1>newborns dropped by about ninety seven percent around the world

0:32:39.440 --> 0:32:43.600
<v Speaker 1>thanks to these programs, But even with that success, around

0:32:43.640 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty five thousand newborns still died of neonatal tetanus in

0:32:47.480 --> 0:32:51.880
<v Speaker 1>twenty eighteen. Numbers have not changed much since then, in

0:32:51.960 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>part because of disruptions caused by the COVID nineteen pandemic.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twenty one, which is the most recent year

0:32:59.040 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>that statistics are EVD available and estimated, twenty four thousand

0:33:02.800 --> 0:33:06.200
<v Speaker 1>newborns died of tetanus, and as of twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 1>there are ten countries where maternal and neonatal tetanus have

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>not been eradicated yet. I tried to track down whether

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>the various funding cuts to foreign aid and foreign health

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 1>programs that's been happening in the US is affecting this

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 1>particular project, and I do not know the answer. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I know about tetanus, though. Do you have some

0:33:30.480 --> 0:33:33.880
<v Speaker 1>listener mail that may or may not have antibodies in it.

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:39.200
<v Speaker 1>It kind of does have antibodies in it. I instead

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<v Speaker 1>of reading one email, I just wanted to thank the

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:47.440
<v Speaker 1>enormous number of people who sent us emails and Facebook

0:33:47.440 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>comments and Instagram comments, even a couple of comments on

0:33:52.560 --> 0:33:55.680
<v Speaker 1>x that used to be Twitter and on Blue Sky,

0:33:55.760 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>which I don't think we've ever set out loud on

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:01.440
<v Speaker 1>the podcast that we're on Blue Sky now now in

0:34:01.560 --> 0:34:09.160
<v Speaker 1>response to the beginning of our Spring Unearthed episode. I

0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:12.680
<v Speaker 1>have not responded to any of these email or emails

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 1>or comments. I did read all of them. The response

0:34:17.160 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 1>was truly, truly overwhelming. I was going to make a

0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:24.600
<v Speaker 1>list of everybody's names and just say thank you everybody,

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 1>but even that got overwhelming, and I was also afraid

0:34:28.440 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>I would miss people. And like we said at the

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>beginning of the episode, a couple of weeks are going

0:34:33.000 --> 0:34:35.760
<v Speaker 1>to pass between recording this and it coming out, probably

0:34:35.760 --> 0:34:40.440
<v Speaker 1>get more emails during that time. Basically, we got a

0:34:41.239 --> 0:34:44.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of really really great email, and so thank you

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:50.160
<v Speaker 1>everyone for that. A lot of people expressed concerns that

0:34:50.239 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 1>we were going to get a lot of hate or

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:56.800
<v Speaker 1>flack or be hassled in some way. I just wanted

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>to say thank you all very much for your concerns.

0:34:59.640 --> 0:35:03.560
<v Speaker 1>This was a reasonable concern. I feel we got almost

0:35:03.719 --> 0:35:07.720
<v Speaker 1>no flak. I was really braced for impact. We only

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:12.720
<v Speaker 1>got good impact. We got a giant, ongoing, multiple weeks

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>long impact of hugs basically with minimal badness in all

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:25.600
<v Speaker 1>of that. Hooray, which was great, honestly, because I was

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:29.160
<v Speaker 1>afraid that was not going to be what would happen,

0:35:29.320 --> 0:35:32.799
<v Speaker 1>because like like we said, we don't typically make just

0:35:32.880 --> 0:35:39.800
<v Speaker 1>explicitly direct political statements on the show, so we've gotten

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:43.040
<v Speaker 1>way worse response to way more oblique things that we've

0:35:43.080 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>said before. Honestly, So again, thank you so much to

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.600
<v Speaker 1>all of you. I've read and appreciated all of your stuff. Also,

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:55.719
<v Speaker 1>I wanted to say, so many people in your emails

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:59.600
<v Speaker 1>said that the beginning of that episode made you feel

0:35:59.800 --> 0:36:04.319
<v Speaker 1>less alone, So I just wanted to say, hey, you

0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 1>are not alone. We heard that from so many people

0:36:10.360 --> 0:36:12.919
<v Speaker 1>in the emails. It's clear that a lot of people

0:36:13.000 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 1>are feeling really alone right now. But it's obvious to

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:21.480
<v Speaker 1>me from that response that none of us are alone

0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in this moment, even if we might feel alone in

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:30.560
<v Speaker 1>some way, like the Big Hands Off March marches across

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.239
<v Speaker 1>the country and the world. Honestly, on April fifth. I

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.160
<v Speaker 1>saw some criticisms of those marches for like not having

0:36:37.239 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 1>a clear objective set out from the beginning and not

0:36:42.040 --> 0:36:44.279
<v Speaker 1>being disruptive. But one of the things I thought was

0:36:44.360 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 1>really good about them was showing how there were crowds

0:36:48.840 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of hundreds of people even in tiny little towns where

0:36:52.120 --> 0:36:55.600
<v Speaker 1>people were probably feeling like they were only one or

0:36:55.640 --> 0:37:00.560
<v Speaker 1>only a handful. So I just wanted to say I

0:37:00.600 --> 0:37:04.719
<v Speaker 1>absolutely empathize with the feeling of a loneness. Living in

0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts right now, I don't feel very alone. I feel

0:37:07.480 --> 0:37:12.120
<v Speaker 1>like I'm surrounded by angry people taking action, But having

0:37:12.160 --> 0:37:15.720
<v Speaker 1>lived previously in North Carolina and Georgia, I didn't always

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:21.759
<v Speaker 1>feel that way. So again, you're not alone. And thank

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>you again for all of these lovely, lovely emails and

0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:28.640
<v Speaker 1>Facebook comments and Instagram comments and all of that that

0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:32.239
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