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Speaker 1: good to see you. It seems that one thing that
Speaker 1: we're really good at is this drafting thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: maybe that's the consistent here. We know that part now
Speaker 1: we got Maybe maybe that other side needs to work
Speaker 1: on their game a little bit more. So I'm excuse me,
Speaker 1: I'm rude. I just if you listen to the Draft Show,
Speaker 1: I just I think of you as like a long
Speaker 1: time friend. I assume you know all of these voices.
Speaker 1: Just in case you're new here. I'm David Hellman. I
Speaker 1: will be quarterbacking this thing in twenty twenty two. That
Speaker 1: was Brian brought us a long time NFL personnel guys,
Speaker 1: super Bowl winning scout. You know, back in the day,
Speaker 1: with your height, we wouldn't have let you quarterback at no.
Speaker 1: Thank God for Kyler Murrah. Thank God changed the game.
Speaker 1: That is. Kyle Yeoman's coming on for your third, third year,
Speaker 1: third trip through the draft process. And he's quiet right now.
Speaker 1: But Jeffrey Cavanaugh's with us as well, long time radio
Speaker 1: draft all around fun guy. What's up, Jeffrey? Just pondering,
Speaker 1: just thinking about who we're picking, just trying to figure
Speaker 1: just all right, you're just cut to the chase right now.
Speaker 1: I've adopted a new stance for broadcast. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they tell I learned it from Michael Irvin and Kurt Warner.
Speaker 1: They tell you as much of the table as you can.
Speaker 1: You gotta like domineering, like Eisen sitting there just doing this.
Speaker 1: But then on the other side of the room, those
Speaker 1: dudes are spread out, So I feel like I'm I
Speaker 1: have a presence. There's a bit of tongue in cheek
Speaker 1: in that sometimes because that that is, like Dave said,
Speaker 1: that's what we're coached to do. On the television side.
Speaker 1: I've got a stance kind of like this where it's
Speaker 1: like like one arms kind of bench straight out this way.
Speaker 1: But there are other guys that will do the big
Speaker 1: somewhere somewhere, Jury, Madeline, I'm right now. I am Jordan Davis. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I am taking up as much space as possible. Like
Speaker 1: you're looking hard to block right now. You are looking
Speaker 1: hard to block. Get big? Well you get Do you
Speaker 1: have a name? You got a name? Just don't even
Speaker 1: think about it? What do you mean? Just have a
Speaker 1: pick twenty four? You got a name? Tyler Linderball Tyler.
Speaker 1: All right, sweet, that's and I'm glad we're on the
Speaker 1: same page. Already done. I love picked. This time of
Speaker 1: year is always fun for me because like we don't
Speaker 1: know what we don't know. And and as we go,
Speaker 1: if you're new to this, you know you're you're gonna
Speaker 1: narrow it down. You're we're gonna get a much better
Speaker 1: idea of what we're all thinking about. But Tyler Linderbaum
Speaker 1: seems to be the early name, like two years ago.
Speaker 1: Oddly enough, it was Neville Gallimore was like one of
Speaker 1: the first guys we were talking about. We got on
Speaker 1: Layton vander esh really really quickly. I'm interested to see
Speaker 1: how that evolves. But I like where your heads at
Speaker 1: to start thinking? There we go? Yeah, I think to me,
Speaker 1: how about this just jumping right in. Yeah, we're already
Speaker 1: off the track of what I wanted. Derek Stingley first segment.
Speaker 1: I like, what you like. We can't take Derek Stingley.
Speaker 1: He's barely even played college football. Nobody could pick him
Speaker 1: with the top twenty three people. Just let him fall
Speaker 1: to twenty four. I support what Jeff's doing right now
Speaker 1: because he's trying to talk this into existence. Lindar bombs small,
Speaker 1: so is Nakobe Deane. I'll tell you what, Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't take any one of those guys, you know, And
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, Sauce Gardner at a Cincinnati
Speaker 1: clearly a better corner than Stingiest. Oh. I agree, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we should just get this is good, by the way,
Speaker 1: get it out of the way. In the first episode,
Speaker 1: throw out all of the positives for these players and
Speaker 1: then the rest of the draft show just tear them
Speaker 1: down the way. If somebody picks up on it, then
Speaker 1: they slipped at twenty four. I mean we jolly act
Speaker 1: excited about it. Yeah, just and we have Look, we
Speaker 1: have that power. Brian, you know, oh my god, this
Speaker 1: is what you're ninth year doing this. From the word go.
Speaker 1: You've tanked some draft stocks. Just compare, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: compare linder bomb through a bad center and we'll we're
Speaker 1: working with gas. He's furry, undersized, you know, he doesn't
Speaker 1: handle pressure on this still costa. Yeah exactly. Now I
Speaker 1: think to me, yeah, we've got in trouble with Bosa,
Speaker 1: the Joey Bosa, that's the one. I compare it into
Speaker 1: Greg Ellis, you know, and Greg Ellis was a damn
Speaker 1: good player. But I'll say this though about like I say,
Speaker 1: I appreciate the fact that people trust us along the way,
Speaker 1: you know, but I also encourage people. Our show is
Speaker 1: investigate and educate, So that the first word is investigate.
Speaker 1: If you have the opportunity, however, you can to look
Speaker 1: at these players, go back, go back. I mean there's
Speaker 1: things you can you know, there's ways you can find
Speaker 1: out how to at least watch these guys, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean even on the YouTube stuff. I know it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy, but the way they do these games now
Speaker 1: you can get tight shots of offense and defensive linemen
Speaker 1: to kind of, you know, get an idea of how
Speaker 1: at least they look and move and stuff if you
Speaker 1: can't get the all twenty two. But yeah, I encourage
Speaker 1: don't don't. I mean, yeah, you should listen to what
Speaker 1: we're saying, but also take the opportunity to try and
Speaker 1: do your own work and maybe have your own opinion
Speaker 1: on this. It's more accessible than it's ever been. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: so we're gonna get into that, all right. If you're
Speaker 1: new to this, We're here for an hour and we're
Speaker 1: going to do this twice a week, so we got
Speaker 1: a lot of time. I appreciate that to talk about
Speaker 1: all these guys. But what I want to do first,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a mid season show, right, and going
Speaker 1: back to the top of the show, I think that's
Speaker 1: probably because a lot of us thought we wouldn't need
Speaker 1: to worry about the draft as early as mid January. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I would like to look back Cowboys twenty twenty one
Speaker 1: draft class. We don't necessarily have to like grade these picks.
Speaker 1: It's still only one year, but just revisit and tell
Speaker 1: me how do you feel about where things stand with
Speaker 1: what they did? You know, they went defense heavy. Obviously
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons kind of speaks for himself, but just how
Speaker 1: do you feel about where that class is moving into
Speaker 1: its second year? Somewhere between okay and good. Parsons has
Speaker 1: obviously been incredible, but outside of that, I think early
Speaker 1: on you might have felt better about OsO Diggi Zoowa
Speaker 1: than you did by the end. Like I think he
Speaker 1: showed that he can contribute and hopefully become a nice player,
Speaker 1: maybe a solid NFL starter, But most of the rest
Speaker 1: of that draft is kind of a wait and see.
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons has overachieved the twelfth pick. He's overperformed, outperformed
Speaker 1: what I thought he could do. I had no idea
Speaker 1: he was the best edge rusher in football when I
Speaker 1: watched him at Penn State. The rest of this draft
Speaker 1: class is kind of wait and see. Quentin Bohanna gave
Speaker 1: you a little bit, Gholston gave you a little bit.
Speaker 1: Osa gave you some hope. Joseph gave you a little look.
Speaker 1: But I do think that a lot of this will
Speaker 1: be determined in the next year or two. It's hard
Speaker 1: to have a definitive opinion about a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys that they've picked. I'm worried about Nahan right already,
Speaker 1: are you? Yeah? Why? Probably my thoughts of him when
Speaker 1: he was picked, combined with it was clear even in
Speaker 1: camp they put Kelvin Joseph on the side that was
Speaker 1: competing with somebody. They put Nashan Right on the side
Speaker 1: to watch Treyvon Diggs when guys were getting banged up.
Speaker 1: There's never a question who was going in the game.
Speaker 1: It was Kelvin Joseph. It wasn't Nashan Right, And maybe
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose the coach who wanted Nishan Right to
Speaker 1: begin with. So it's an interesting point. Yeah, there's I
Speaker 1: believe this will look back at this draft class and
Speaker 1: we'll say Parsons is the best defensive player in football
Speaker 1: or one of them and osa Gholston Joseph were at
Speaker 1: least hit ish. And I'm still a big believer in
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox, who we didn't get to see, but I
Speaker 1: said when they picked him, I think Jabril Cox is
Speaker 1: going to play in Pro Bowls, and I believe that
Speaker 1: because that's the sort of player to me that translates
Speaker 1: to today's NFL. The great coverage linebacker who's acceptable in
Speaker 1: the run game. Those guys can develop into something really good,
Speaker 1: but we haven't seen it yet. So my early reaction
Speaker 1: to this draft class is Parsons is awesome. That's Parsons
Speaker 1: is great. And I think that's the early part about
Speaker 1: this is you can't necessarily look at the draft class
Speaker 1: with a guy like Michael Parsons at the top of
Speaker 1: that and label it as a failure of a draft class.
Speaker 1: But you do feel disappointed with the way that picks
Speaker 1: two through eleven ended up turning out because they did
Speaker 1: have so many defensive heavy guys. But you can really
Speaker 1: count on one hand and it doesn't take up the
Speaker 1: whole hand how many guys made an impact. Nashan Wright,
Speaker 1: the biggest impact he had was recovering a fumble on
Speaker 1: special teams throughout the season. He never got any starting snaps.
Speaker 1: And even Kelvin Joseph, He's a second round pick, and
Speaker 1: I know that there was a crowded room at the
Speaker 1: cornerback spot and there was there was competition there, but
Speaker 1: you still expected him to really jump in there and
Speaker 1: at least be in the rotation, and it took into
Speaker 1: what week twelve through seventeen to really see that finally happen,
Speaker 1: and it took injuries for that to happen. So I'm
Speaker 1: with you. I would say I would say it's a
Speaker 1: good draft class based off of the fact that you
Speaker 1: have Michael Parsons. But moving forward, those guys are going
Speaker 1: to be under the microscope. And talking about even Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox because of the injury, how is he going to return?
Speaker 1: Can he get into the rotation a linebacker? And then
Speaker 1: Chauncey Golston as well in the way that he didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily make a ton of impact mostly due to injury. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Jeff's right. If you saw everything that was
Speaker 1: going on with Parsons and rushing the past and all
Speaker 1: that from that Penn State tape, you need to be
Speaker 1: a general manager of a team. You know you've got
Speaker 1: some some incredible talent of evaluation there, because again, you
Speaker 1: saw a guy that could blitz, You saw him on
Speaker 1: the stunts and things like that. You knew he could close,
Speaker 1: you knew he had power, you knew he could run
Speaker 1: all these things. You actually saw him. You know. I
Speaker 1: talked to a scout about him from another team. He said, listen,
Speaker 1: this guy plays on three levels. He could play as
Speaker 1: a rusher, he could play as a linebacker, and you
Speaker 1: can use him in coverage. Those are things. I mean
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that just can only play
Speaker 1: on two levels. He plays on all three levels. So
Speaker 1: that in itself, right, there was a home run. You know,
Speaker 1: for a while there, dan Quinn was tread and water
Speaker 1: with his group. Though he didn't have you know, Gallimore
Speaker 1: and guys like that. I mean, he really had to
Speaker 1: lean on some of these young guys and it wasn't perfect.
Speaker 1: I'll say this though. The disappointing thing to me was Joseph.
Speaker 1: But Quinn and this defense caught a break because their
Speaker 1: corners didn't let them down. Yeah, Brown played well enough,
Speaker 1: Lewis played well enough, and then Digs of course, you know,
Speaker 1: he played well enough with the turnovers and stuff, so
Speaker 1: they didn't have to go with Joseph for right here,
Speaker 1: and so that they caught a little bit of a
Speaker 1: break there of not having to use those guys. I'm
Speaker 1: excited about Jabril Cox, I really am. I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna take Layton vander Esch's spot. You know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised if this team you were throwing out names
Speaker 1: of guys. You know, Dean we talked about at Georgia.
Speaker 1: I mean, we're going to get into Devin Lloyd of
Speaker 1: Utah as another guy. I wouldn't be surprised if his
Speaker 1: team adds another linebacker to this mix. But overall, though,
Speaker 1: I think I was a little bit more disappointed with
Speaker 1: Gholston and what he could have done, and I thought
Speaker 1: there was better. You know, he was very similar to like,
Speaker 1: play the run, keep you a little bit of a
Speaker 1: pass rush. Didn't see him do all that much. Bohannah,
Speaker 1: big guy Kentucky kind of thought he was going to
Speaker 1: be a run stopper in the middle. Didn't really do
Speaker 1: all that much. So I think, overall though, the defense,
Speaker 1: those guys plugged in and played, but the expectations were
Speaker 1: I mean, well, the results were really great with Parsons,
Speaker 1: everybody else kind of gets a hey, we'll see what
Speaker 1: happens to you next year. I think you all kind
Speaker 1: of touched on this, But this is what I think
Speaker 1: is so interesting and I'm not so much concerned about
Speaker 1: so the late round guys are Semi Phihoko, Quentin Bohannah,
Speaker 1: Israel Mukuamu, Matt farneyac. They all sort of bounced between
Speaker 1: doing nothing to not be an active exactly. All of
Speaker 1: those guys spend time on as healthy and actives. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not so much worried about them. That's late day three
Speaker 1: that that'll happen. But the names that I'm looking at
Speaker 1: are all the way through your fourth round pick other
Speaker 1: than Micah, all of these guys, You're like, like, I
Speaker 1: kind of saw some flashes, yeah, flashes, yeah, And I'm
Speaker 1: just curious, and I think this applies to everybody. So
Speaker 1: Kelvin and Nishan Wright play a position that you desperately needed,
Speaker 1: and guys are running out on their contracts. You know,
Speaker 1: Anthony Brown's entering the last year of his deal. OSA
Speaker 1: and Chauncey Golston you can never have enough defensive lineman.
Speaker 1: Jabril Cox y'all hit on that perfectly. And then the
Speaker 1: other one, Josh Ball, who we got nothing with red
Speaker 1: shirt years, the epitome of a red shirt year. And
Speaker 1: I just wonder, how do those guys weigh in your
Speaker 1: brain when you're trying to decide what this team needs
Speaker 1: right now, Like how you just said you think Jabril
Speaker 1: Cox and I agree, is capable of starting. Does that
Speaker 1: affect your mindset toward linebacker in this draft? Same thing
Speaker 1: with like does having a Josh Ball on this roster matter? No? No,
Speaker 1: not at all. I Mean the one thing that I
Speaker 1: learned when I was in Green Bay with Ron Wolf
Speaker 1: was when you feel like you're strong at a position,
Speaker 1: go ahead and add another one. You know that that
Speaker 1: that's what met That's what gets your real depth this team.
Speaker 1: I know, Jeff and I we talk about it on
Speaker 1: our show. You know every every year in the spring
Speaker 1: about drafting the best available player. This team has found
Speaker 1: a way to like have players fall in their lap
Speaker 1: and it's like, wow, well they need they need Chase
Speaker 1: on defensive end, Chase on, Chase on, Chase on Ceedee
Speaker 1: Lamb's the pick, you know. I mean, you know that's
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff you know that you look at
Speaker 1: this team and they've had a really good run of
Speaker 1: just drafting their board with the way it was, the
Speaker 1: way their stack was. So yeah, I think at twenty
Speaker 1: one you have to be open. Would you like to
Speaker 1: have another linebacker? Absolutely? Would you love to have another
Speaker 1: offensive tackle or a guard or a center. Absolutely, you know,
Speaker 1: I think there's would you like to have another wide receiver? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know there there's there you can you could be
Speaker 1: really open sitting where they're at right now and and
Speaker 1: really bang this draft out and have a really good
Speaker 1: one that way. And it also goes back to kind
Speaker 1: of what you were talking about with it being those
Speaker 1: middle round picks. And even if there are expectations or
Speaker 1: the possibility of guys like Jabril Cox becoming a starter
Speaker 1: at linebacker, he's not a starter yet. So if you
Speaker 1: have an opportunity and into Kobe Dean from Georgia, finds
Speaker 1: a way down and he's there, and you find a
Speaker 1: way to he's the pick at twenty four, then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you've got competition there. If Jabril Cox
Speaker 1: still turns into a starting caliber Jabril Cox down the road,
Speaker 1: then you've got a surplus at the linebacker spot. So
Speaker 1: I completely yeah, the only guy, the only guy that
Speaker 1: the only guy that showed that, Like maybe you don't
Speaker 1: we talk about linebackers, but Parsons, I mean that's the
Speaker 1: one guy. Everybody else is still in that. If you
Speaker 1: drafted a guy, the raft, the draftable guy would be
Speaker 1: competing with a guy that you're still kind of waiting
Speaker 1: to see. So that's not keeping me from picking. If
Speaker 1: if I draft a guy that's better than a guy
Speaker 1: drafted last year, and he's and he proves he could
Speaker 1: play by all means play the other guy, you become
Speaker 1: a backup. Well, and I would add this, I'm just
Speaker 1: one idiot with an opinion here, but if Real coxenter
Speaker 1: training camp, I call, my god, he's incredible. He's going
Speaker 1: to be a starting linebacker. And you drafted a first
Speaker 1: round linebacker. I don't care. Yeah, because Micah Parsons showed
Speaker 1: me he's one of the best pass rushers in football. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Micah Parsons in my world is going to spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time lined up outside an offensive tackle going
Speaker 1: after the quarterback. Yeah. I need a linebacker. Whether Jabriel
Speaker 1: and Parsons are your quote two linebackers or not, I
Speaker 1: still need one. That would be a nice problem to
Speaker 1: have you touched on this, and I'll put you on
Speaker 1: the spot because you can't really answer this question right now.
Speaker 1: I can answer any question. Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, answer.
Speaker 1: I can't catch either of y'all a question that you
Speaker 1: can't answer, you have to do this every day. Um,
Speaker 1: how much does it concern you that the guy who
Speaker 1: created all this success for Micah Parsons is the hottest
Speaker 1: interview candidate in the NFL right now? A little bit?
Speaker 1: I think the defensive coordinator evaluation is really challenging. Like
Speaker 1: I think you take whoever is the hot coordinator candidate
Speaker 1: any year, and he's gonna go get his head coaching job,
Speaker 1: And I say, okay, so he had a really good defense,
Speaker 1: like sure, and he was responsible for that? Sure, who
Speaker 1: were his best players? And then you just start ripping
Speaker 1: off names of really really good players, like Brandon Staley
Speaker 1: was the hot name beforehand, right and it's like who
Speaker 1: did he have? Oh yeah, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: And like dan Quinn and the staff did a really
Speaker 1: good job of identifying that Michael Parsons could fill in
Speaker 1: it edge and be a badass. I think dan Quinn
Speaker 1: did a good job of showing that he has the
Speaker 1: adaptability required to be a good defensive coach. And I
Speaker 1: think he's a good teacher and I think he's a
Speaker 1: good leader. But I think a lot of times our
Speaker 1: ideas of how impossible it is to replace a guy
Speaker 1: get skewed when if you've got really good players, a
Speaker 1: lot of times they'll get good results. Michael Parsons is
Speaker 1: gonna play good football. Treyvon Diggs when he has a
Speaker 1: chance to is going to catch the foot ball. Those
Speaker 1: things are going to happen. So I would rather have
Speaker 1: him than not have him. But I don't think most
Speaker 1: teams are going to be derailed by losing a coordinator. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think the thing that Dan Quinn did that was
Speaker 1: really smart is he came in here with the ideas
Speaker 1: last year. The previous year before he got here there
Speaker 1: were some things they did really well, and he didn't
Speaker 1: totally just scrap everything that they had done. And you know,
Speaker 1: if Joe Witt gets this job as the defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: and he's interviewing for jobs right now, Seattle, the Giants,
Speaker 1: the Jets, I think he's on the path of doing
Speaker 1: those But you know it's up to a defensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: whoever that is, whether it's one on staff or one
Speaker 1: that comes from the outside. For example of Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 1: Mike Zimmer would sit down and look at your tape
Speaker 1: and say, wow, okay, he knows what it's like to
Speaker 1: play with Anthony Barr as a rush linebacker. So there's
Speaker 1: some things already built in. If you were interviewing defensive coordinators,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, who plays the scheme or to what
Speaker 1: we want to do. Mike Zimber does because he understands that,
Speaker 1: and that's the coordinator's job. It's Will's job to go
Speaker 1: shoulder and shoulder with dan Quinn as he's going to
Speaker 1: State College Pennsylvania, Lexington, Kentucky and Corvallis working. You know,
Speaker 1: that's where Will has got to help. You know, He's
Speaker 1: got to go to all those places and make sure
Speaker 1: that the players that these coaches want that they can
Speaker 1: go get. And I think that's really the most important
Speaker 1: thing going forward as you work on these drafts. I
Speaker 1: was just kind of thinking on the way that you
Speaker 1: outline that, Jeff, in terms of easy to replace. Is
Speaker 1: it easier to replace a coordinator now that dan Quinn
Speaker 1: has kind of unleashed the blueprint of how this defense
Speaker 1: could be successful, because that's one of the reasons why
Speaker 1: he is the hot candidate right now. It's not just
Speaker 1: because he had a good defense. And sure, you've got
Speaker 1: the parsons and the digs and the names that are
Speaker 1: going to rat a lot, but it's the complete area
Speaker 1: of the turnaround that here. Real quick, I think he's
Speaker 1: getting jobs because everybody in NFL knew that Dallas's defense
Speaker 1: could potentially be a train wreck, and he came in
Speaker 1: and not only changed the personnel like Jeff's talking about,
Speaker 1: but he also he also used players like coaches give
Speaker 1: you that lip of well, we put players in position
Speaker 1: to make place. No, dan Quinn, damn did that. You know?
Speaker 1: These coaches damn did that? You know? And so that's why,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, if you're a general manager of
Speaker 1: a team that fired your guy, you're like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this guy could take my players, make them work in
Speaker 1: a scheme. Huh, that's an interesting idea. Maybe I should
Speaker 1: have this guy's my head coach. So yeah, I think
Speaker 1: this is why there's nobody in the end. We were
Speaker 1: all I know, on Jeff and on show there on
Speaker 1: one oh five three, you know, we were talking about it,
Speaker 1: if this defense could be just middle of the road,
Speaker 1: just middle of the road, you know, were it's like,
Speaker 1: you know, this offense will carry this, you know, if
Speaker 1: they could just be middle of the road. But yeah,
Speaker 1: they got enough players they drafted some good guys and
Speaker 1: you know, the coach did a great job of putting
Speaker 1: that all together, and then the defense ended up being
Speaker 1: the identity towards the end of about to say, let's
Speaker 1: not talk about the fact that the offense wound up
Speaker 1: letting them down. Look, this is and I'm looking at
Speaker 1: the list of the twenty twenty one class. It's it's
Speaker 1: remarkable the way dan Quinn put his imprint on this.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget being here last year when six four
Speaker 1: corner after six four corner and kept getting talked about.
Speaker 1: So it's so dangerous business, it is. And that's well
Speaker 1: if the coach knows what he's doing. And you know,
Speaker 1: there's people you talk to in Atlanta, they were like
Speaker 1: thinking that dan Quinn was a half of football away
Speaker 1: in the Super Bowl from still having a job. You know,
Speaker 1: there's people that say, hey, Dan works hard, he's got
Speaker 1: a good eye. But Atlanta has had some poor drafts
Speaker 1: along the way, So there was some scary there was
Speaker 1: some scary times there, and it's it's just it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how whatever happens shapes this process,
Speaker 1: because it will whether some by some miracle, Dan returns
Speaker 1: or whoever winds up getting hired. I think it's going
Speaker 1: to have a huge impact. Plenty of time to talk
Speaker 1: about that again. We're gonna take our first break, and
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Speaker 1: an hour format in the offseason, so we can call
Speaker 1: this Twitter on the twenty. I don't beam. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you got the dropper on the Twitter. I
Speaker 1: like Jeff's better, honestly. And they've tried to cut you
Speaker 1: guys out of the show. We just I fought for
Speaker 1: you guys. Dave was like, you know what, maybe let's
Speaker 1: not take questions from pets. I said, let's keep them.
Speaker 1: That's ridiculous. This is always Could you do that on
Speaker 1: your YouTube channel? Right? Yeah? My YouTube channel is take
Speaker 1: all these questions yea and very fan friendly. I am
Speaker 1: thank you as the host this year. I am determined
Speaker 1: that we are actually going to answer more than one
Speaker 1: or two questions per Twitter on the twenties is because
Speaker 1: of the luck I tried that too. Are you directing
Speaker 1: that at me? Who talks about I'm directing it at
Speaker 1: all of us? No, all right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to all of these. I hope this
Speaker 1: one's from Tendall Curtis. He points out, Michael Gallup Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson are both free agents. On top of that, Malik
Speaker 1: Turner and Noah Round as well, wide receiver in the
Speaker 1: first round. You wanna can you buckle your Can you
Speaker 1: buckle yourself to that wagon again in twenty twenty two?
Speaker 1: All day, every day. Wide receivers are fun. I love
Speaker 1: wide receivers. Yeah, I can take one all day every day.
Speaker 1: Next we can go back to team forty Burger. Already,
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, you want some speed on this team, let's go.
Speaker 1: I didn't necessarily forty Burgers this year. I can hear
Speaker 1: people rolling their eyes. What what do you go? Oh?
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely I'm okay with that. This game has turned
Speaker 1: into that. These guys working with these guys over that
Speaker 1: radio station, they've they've told me that running the football
Speaker 1: is important, but also throwing the ball is important as well.
Speaker 1: Having these receivers they make a huge difference. And yet
Speaker 1: and and there's several them. You mentioned Williams. The Burkes
Speaker 1: kid at Arkansas is a really good player if you
Speaker 1: want a Deebo Samuel kind of a guy. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. If people are using people are
Speaker 1: using wide receivers as weapons and using the only in
Speaker 1: the passing game. But if you put him in the backfield,
Speaker 1: there's studies about these guys and the way they run
Speaker 1: the football. It's almost like it's a shock to the
Speaker 1: defense to see him back there and before they know what,
Speaker 1: the ball's seven yards up the field. So, right off
Speaker 1: the top of my head, if if this is something
Speaker 1: that interests you, Jamison Williams at Alabama, Garrett Wilson at
Speaker 1: Ohio State, Traylan Burke's at Arkansas. Yeah, I like in London,
Speaker 1: from US and then there's dots and from Penn State
Speaker 1: are the ones I've seen so far, And to me,
Speaker 1: I think those are those are like the those are
Speaker 1: the guys that we're expecting to be the first round guys.
Speaker 1: I will be interested to see what happens with the
Speaker 1: medical on Williams. I think that's something that maybe that
Speaker 1: puts him back a little bit to where he falls
Speaker 1: to you like you're talking about, but he's a hell
Speaker 1: of a football player. Yeah, you better take him because
Speaker 1: if you don't, he's gonna be a chief and you're
Speaker 1: gonna let me get the Kansas City or something. It's me,
Speaker 1: Tyree Hill and Jamison Williams. Do you have something real quick? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say this year. I've always been on
Speaker 1: that wide receiver bandwagon, even back to the Cede Lamb.
Speaker 1: I ran a stupid half marathon for the dude. So
Speaker 1: I'm out this year in the first round wide receiver.
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because I'm not as impressed
Speaker 1: with this draft class as the draft class is the
Speaker 1: last three or four seasons in terms of that wide
Speaker 1: receiver position group. And I think that plays into the
Speaker 1: Cowboys hands in the later rounds rounds two through seven.
Speaker 1: Sign me up, let's go get some wide receivers. But
Speaker 1: I think this actually plays out well the way that
Speaker 1: this thing is kind of turning out, because there's not
Speaker 1: gonna be those four or five guys going in the
Speaker 1: top fifteen. Like we've seen the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot of those guys go from
Speaker 1: fifteen to thirty two, and then there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: run in that second round. Do you think that's fair?
Speaker 1: I think it's fair. I mean, the ones I've seen
Speaker 1: so far. He's absolutely right, because again, Christal Lobby to
Speaker 1: me is at Ohio State is a hell of a
Speaker 1: football player. Here's a guy talk about attention to detail.
Speaker 1: When he catches the ball, it's not get one foot down,
Speaker 1: let's get two. He knows he's about to play on Sundays,
Speaker 1: so that's the kind of player he is. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that that. I don't think that we're going
Speaker 1: to see the receivers go with that top up in
Speaker 1: the top of the draft, so you're going to get
Speaker 1: an opportunity to pick the best one. I think. Russ notes,
Speaker 1: and this appears to be a first round that is
Speaker 1: stacked with offensive tackles. At twenty four, he wants to know,
Speaker 1: have you seen any that you think have guard flexibility?
Speaker 1: And I know we're early, so if you haven't seen
Speaker 1: that much tape, that's fine. I'm just curious. I think
Speaker 1: I know I think that to me, with the tackles,
Speaker 1: the ones, the top ones, I've got it and this
Speaker 1: is the way I have it. I have a cross
Speaker 1: from Mississippi State, the Quonwu from North Carolina State, and
Speaker 1: then I have Neil from Alabama as my third all
Speaker 1: first round guys. Neil third, Yeah, hat's Alabama? Have him
Speaker 1: as a top five potential, him as the number going overall? Yeah,
Speaker 1: number one. I'll tell you why because there's times when
Speaker 1: you watch him there's there's some one shot blocker to
Speaker 1: his game. Now, the one SHOT's pretty good, but overall
Speaker 1: sustained for a man and that big I think there's
Speaker 1: you know, to me, there's I'm I'm more likely to
Speaker 1: pick a guy I think that's a better athlete right
Speaker 1: now because they could get second level stuff that can
Speaker 1: backside scoops and things. Neil's outstandings three hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: seven pounds, don't get me wrong. I got him as
Speaker 1: a first round tackle. But cross of Kuanwu better athletes now,
Speaker 1: you know, like Penning, you know, uh, falle Lee from
Speaker 1: from Minnesota. That's another mammoth man. Uh. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't really see if you want to put one of
Speaker 1: those guys, I don't see Penning, you know, Northern Iowa
Speaker 1: as a guard. I think if you want to guard,
Speaker 1: you just straight draft one and you you came with
Speaker 1: a guard who could play tackle. Oh yeah, so that's
Speaker 1: Green was your guy. So I was thinking either Kenyan
Speaker 1: Green or But my guy that I'm thinking about is
Speaker 1: Darian Kennard from Kentucky. He played tackle at Kentucky translates
Speaker 1: as a guard. Yeah, he's right, fantastic run blocker at
Speaker 1: Kentucky as a tackle, And I was thinking Kenyan Green. Well,
Speaker 1: those plays guard, right guard, left tackle, and right tackles
Speaker 1: all this year. But I think he's an NFL guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's held up just fine at right tackle. The
Speaker 1: only thing with Green is I don't know, and this
Speaker 1: is still super early on, but I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's going to be even where anywhere close to twenty four.
Speaker 1: I think he's oh, like you may go early. I
Speaker 1: think he goes to the problem with that game is
Speaker 1: will apply it and will apply He's going top fifteen
Speaker 1: to twenty five. Guys. Actually, because I did it to
Speaker 1: see its true, I did it to CD. It was
Speaker 1: like people would send me mock drafts. I think you
Speaker 1: took CD LAMB. You should have rebooted to simulate. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna do it with Kenyan Green, We're gonna
Speaker 1: do it with linderbaum N Kobe, Dean, Devn Lloyd and
Speaker 1: just of those four names, I bet you one makes
Speaker 1: it Like I'm pumped that you said that. Wait, you
Speaker 1: have something real? Yeah? Have you taken a look at
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson from Boston College? I have, Yes, I have Okay,
Speaker 1: see I have Johnson over yeah, I do now having
Speaker 1: both the second round. Actually they're touching tags. They both
Speaker 1: have early second rounds. See. I think Green's clearly a
Speaker 1: first round guy because I think the flexibility part. I
Speaker 1: think I think Zion Johnson from Boston College could play
Speaker 1: both too. Is he strong enough to play? He is?
Speaker 1: Because I wasn't super impressed. Sure he is punch excited. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think, I think. I mean, there are
Speaker 1: guys like you watch him. I thought he was going
Speaker 1: to come out last year. I did him. I did
Speaker 1: him last year thinking he was going to come out
Speaker 1: and he didn't. And I was like, going, okay, this
Speaker 1: at a but to it's the second one I tried
Speaker 1: to get into. I'm out. I just wanted to ask.
Speaker 1: I tried to get into I just wanted to ask
Speaker 1: because I wanted to see where I wondered. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted to see where he had Canardian relations. Johnson, the
Speaker 1: reason we do this show is so that I can
Speaker 1: hear you talk about some guy by his last name,
Speaker 1: wondering if he's strong enough. Like That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 1: Jerry though, and I think this is a good point. Uh.
Speaker 1: He mentions, he's he literally specified yourself as the GM.
Speaker 1: Jerry out stop it. We're not going there. Sorry, he
Speaker 1: wanted with the He brings up Creed Humphrey, left handed center,
Speaker 1: second round last year, second round pass pick sixty three,
Speaker 1: played at an all pro level for the Chiefs. Guys
Speaker 1: missed him there. He wants to know if you can
Speaker 1: spot a difference between him and Linder Bomb. And the
Speaker 1: point of his question is basically, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: sentiment that says there's no way the Iowa Center falls
Speaker 1: to twenty four. There's no way, There's no way, and
Speaker 1: there is history indicates that that is very possible. He's
Speaker 1: a two hundred and ninety two pounds center. By the way,
Speaker 1: you're Linda Bomb, and it's also what six two something? Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he's not gonna see you talk about the best players,
Speaker 1: we talk about the Georgia linebacker. What's his? What's his?
Speaker 1: There you go, he's two hundred and ninety two pounds. See,
Speaker 1: people will look at that. Old crusty guys like me
Speaker 1: will go, God, can't take that guy. Not big enough. No,
Speaker 1: that's what happens in What do you think? Oh? No,
Speaker 1: I love them both. I love them both. I mean again,
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I like the athletic offensive lineman. Look
Speaker 1: what you had. How much better your team was when
Speaker 1: you had a guy like you know, with Travis Frederick.
Speaker 1: The ability to cut the defense in half, the ability
Speaker 1: to get the second level? What happened a lot of
Speaker 1: be honest, got better as a year war on. But
Speaker 1: there were times would they just could not get somebody up,
Speaker 1: They could not get somebody wide enough to hook guys.
Speaker 1: Just to play Devil's advocate, because I know somebody's going
Speaker 1: to bring this up throughout the process. But Travis Frederick,
Speaker 1: if you're comparing the two, I know you're not. But
Speaker 1: if you're looking at Tyler Linderbaum six foot three, two
Speaker 1: ninety and then you've got Travis Frederick, who was six
Speaker 1: foot five pushing three ten. I mean they're bigger player.
Speaker 1: It is. Travis Frederick was Travis six five. I don't
Speaker 1: think he was six There's no way I put around
Speaker 1: Travis a lot. Well, maybe he was taller than me,
Speaker 1: but if he wasn't he was really he was really script.
Speaker 1: But see that's the thing about Okay, coming out of
Speaker 1: now maybe foot four. Sorry, maybe this is wrong about
Speaker 1: because I went back and looked at my Creed Humphrey
Speaker 1: notes he's six four three twenty eight. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: little different, right, that's a that's a but you talk
Speaker 1: about a guy that was really really light on his feet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's the best center athlete I think ever measured. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you use like the combine numbers, it's crazy, you know.
Speaker 1: And you wonder why why did Humphrey fall to sixties
Speaker 1: because scout's got freaked out he snaps left handed. That's
Speaker 1: the tape was honestly to me, because his tape was
Speaker 1: good and he was a phenomenal athlete and he got better,
Speaker 1: like Tyler Linderbaum has better tape than Creed Humphrey ever
Speaker 1: put on at Oklahoma. I agree, way better. His tape
Speaker 1: is the best center tape I've ever seen. Tyler Linderbaum's
Speaker 1: a stud. There's not a block he can't make. There's
Speaker 1: not a reach block he can't reach. There's not an
Speaker 1: assignment he's gonna miss. There's not a stunt that's going
Speaker 1: to fool him. There's not a second level block he's
Speaker 1: gonna miss. Your only question is going to be if
Speaker 1: he lines up against jarn Reid, will he get pushed around?
Speaker 1: That's gonna be your only question because everything else and then,
Speaker 1: But that's important, and that's also part of going from
Speaker 1: college to the NFL's get bigger, get stronger. Yeah, Tyler
Speaker 1: Linderbaum's a stud. If he's at twenty four, I don't
Speaker 1: need to know who else is there. So for the
Speaker 1: next four months, you're not allowed to talk good about
Speaker 1: ty Linda Bomb at all because now I'm upset. Now
Speaker 1: I'm so he just I'm putting it out there. If
Speaker 1: he's there it, I don't care who else is. I agree,
Speaker 1: there's not another name that matters he's at all. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: to me, not even a little bit. Did you did
Speaker 1: you feel it? Did? Okay? Then I know what you're
Speaker 1: saying because what if green was available to drafted guard Linderball.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I was thinking he was going to say,
Speaker 1: I'll play with be honest, if I had green guard,
Speaker 1: I'll put Lyle at left guard and I'll move on
Speaker 1: with my day. So you have linder bamb as your one. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask a question. I'm sorry, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not the one that she'd be asking question. Fans.
Speaker 1: I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying this well. Were you no? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: no quit please no no. I feel like we were
Speaker 1: headed for a great debate because what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: it's what you do whenever you put that president in
Speaker 1: the early The show needs to be two hours? Is
Speaker 1: the problem forever? Because two hours? Do you does too?
Speaker 1: I love talking draft? Do you think like like she
Speaker 1: needs to be nine hours? I guess the point I
Speaker 1: was trying to make is especial Day two and day three,
Speaker 1: Calm down, everybody, calmed the hell down? Was Tyler Bottish
Speaker 1: as big of a week link as all of the
Speaker 1: focus on lender bombs seems to suggest that he was?
Speaker 1: Because that's that, Like I said, the prevailing sentiment right
Speaker 1: now is like we gotta get this damn center. I
Speaker 1: think it's almost an impossible question because I think everybody
Speaker 1: that plays offensive line on this team over the course
Speaker 1: of the season and especially the last two or three months,
Speaker 1: didn't play as good as they are individually. Zach Martin
Speaker 1: got beat at times where Zach Martin's not supposed to
Speaker 1: get beat. Tyrn Smith got beat at times where he's
Speaker 1: not supposed to get beat, Lyle Collins, everybody. I think
Speaker 1: if you went through the loss in the playoffs, I
Speaker 1: think Beotish probably had the cleanest game of everybody on
Speaker 1: the line. But your offensive line let you down, and
Speaker 1: if you have a chance to upgrade with a really,
Speaker 1: really good player, you upgrade. So like, do I think
Speaker 1: it's an emergency and you have to replace Tyler Bottish
Speaker 1: him now? But if I have an opportunity to get
Speaker 1: better at a at a position group that let me down,
Speaker 1: I'm doing it. Well. Let me ask this just to
Speaker 1: kind of piggyback on it. But if Williams is not available,
Speaker 1: let's pretend he's not even a part of this roster
Speaker 1: moving forward. Do you feel like I think that's pretty plausible,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. If if that is the case,
Speaker 1: Do you feel comfortable at the guard spot moving into
Speaker 1: the season with options like you can maybe move leo'
Speaker 1: collins over there the season, put him at left guard,
Speaker 1: and then you would go and get a center, or
Speaker 1: you could go sign a veteran guard. Can I change
Speaker 1: the line, coach while we're at it? Hey, Hey, hey, sir,
Speaker 1: just asking, That's all I mean. I mean, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, your your your offensive line might look remarkably
Speaker 1: different if you do, if you make that change. I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not advocating that. I guess I just did.
Speaker 1: But you know this, yeah you kind of did. Okay,
Speaker 1: but cowboy employees like there may be times where they wilt,
Speaker 1: let it rip. I went back. If we get fired,
Speaker 1: I went back, I went I went back and looked
Speaker 1: at my time. Well, come back to the draft show.
Speaker 1: Somebody else replaced Jeff Kavanaugh. Yeah, these guys were tampering,
Speaker 1: you know, see the thing about it with Tyler Beyondest.
Speaker 1: I went back and looked at my notes, and I
Speaker 1: think doesn't play with much strength or power. Too many
Speaker 1: snaps where he gets rocked back, stalemated along the line
Speaker 1: of scrimmage. I think we've seen that, you know, his
Speaker 1: head goes down, he gets in trouble. He can you know,
Speaker 1: he looks like he can see things and all that
Speaker 1: communicate and all that. When he blocks on an angle
Speaker 1: to shield and stuff, that's all good. But he doesn't
Speaker 1: get movement one on one. And that's the thing about it.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's things you saw at Wisconsin that are
Speaker 1: carried over to today, you know, And so if there's
Speaker 1: concerned about Lindenbaum being maybe not strong enough with a
Speaker 1: guy directly on his nose, then you know those are concerns.
Speaker 1: You have to see it, though. First you have to
Speaker 1: pull him. Give me that Minnesota game, or give me that,
Speaker 1: you know, give me one of those games where he's
Speaker 1: playing against somebody big and they're just man handling him.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, then I think you'll have to
Speaker 1: adjust your thoughts. I've got a really great question about
Speaker 1: the Eagles, but I feel like we could do a
Speaker 1: whole segment on it. So I'm gonna save. Oh. I've
Speaker 1: always liked Don Henley. Birds aren't nice reference. Thank you?
Speaker 1: All right? Real? One quick, one quick one from Drew
Speaker 1: before we had to break We've got three en didn't
Speaker 1: we know that this will be the fourth. Okay, go ahead,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, go ahead ahead. Running back. He
Speaker 1: wants to know if it's a top one hundred in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Yeah, no, it'd be a luxury. But
Speaker 1: if they picked one that they really liked, I guess
Speaker 1: it's fine. But Pollard's gonna be on the roster's he's
Speaker 1: gonna be on the roster and this team in this building,
Speaker 1: these guys twenty ones getting the ball even though he shouldn't.
Speaker 1: You've already got a running back who can't get the ball,
Speaker 1: who's better than your starter. What are you gonna do
Speaker 1: with the third one? Get ready for Pollard's departure. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not a top one hundred. I think that's why
Speaker 1: you do it. If you do it, is thinking Tony
Speaker 1: Pollard this you should be working on a departure for
Speaker 1: the other one. That's a lot easier saying. I've looked
Speaker 1: at one running back and it was Kenneth Walker from
Speaker 1: Michigan State. It doesn't seem like a very good running back.
Speaker 1: It's not he's not I'm in the second round. He's
Speaker 1: a he's a good player, but he's not a first
Speaker 1: round I think there's there's more depth to this running
Speaker 1: back class than there is that top head if you
Speaker 1: prospect pool, which is actually gonna work out, because I
Speaker 1: don't think you should take a running back of the
Speaker 1: top one hundred in that regard, But there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some decent yeah wherever, But there's gonna be some decent
Speaker 1: guys later. You take it, you take it too far,
Speaker 1: you take it like it's imagine doing radio with him.
Speaker 1: It's worth it as a top one hundred. Maybe not
Speaker 1: the first round, but like if a great running back
Speaker 1: is they're starting around pick sixty, I'm getting interested. Question,
Speaker 1: you're only hedging his one hundred by forty picks. I'm surprised,
Speaker 1: but well, the other one would take twenty minutes. Oh
Speaker 1: I am. I'm fascinated by the idea. The Eagles were
Speaker 1: good enough to make the playoffs and they have the
Speaker 1: why why why are you gotta cut me off like that?
Speaker 1: It's running the ball. I just said it, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you run your quarterback fifteen times a game, if
Speaker 1: that's the way you want to play, we don't have
Speaker 1: a chance to win game. We don't have time to
Speaker 1: do it. But Tim, we are We're gonna take your question. Eventually,
Speaker 1: the Eagles were good enough to make the playoffs and
Speaker 1: they have three first round picks right as a divisional Right, well,
Speaker 1: I think that's worth getting into total. Absolutely, we'll have
Speaker 1: to save it because we did. We are over, so
Speaker 1: we will head to break. We could make we could
Speaker 1: make the Eagles we got we got like four we
Speaker 1: got to I tried one year, Jeff, I tried to
Speaker 1: make the Eagles score five questions and I feel good
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Speaker 1: No fine, right, all right, first segment, and good dude,
Speaker 1: thank you for all your questions, a lot of them. Understandably,
Speaker 1: we're about what I want this segment to be about.
Speaker 1: So if that's why I that, that might be why
Speaker 1: I ignored your question, and I apologize. But so we
Speaker 1: look back at this past draft class and kind of
Speaker 1: how we feel about that, and we've touched on this
Speaker 1: a little bit. Kyle, you more than everyone else about
Speaker 1: how you're feeling philosophically about this first round and this roster.
Speaker 1: And I just want to go around. I'm gonna maybe
Speaker 1: put y'all on the spot. You can't you can't repeat
Speaker 1: answers said the interest of entertainment. The number one thing
Speaker 1: that you want to address with pick twenty four is
Speaker 1: what And Kyle, I'll start with you. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 1: offensive line for me, and it's partly because of the need,
Speaker 1: but it's also because of the prospects that could potentially
Speaker 1: be there for you as well, in the way that
Speaker 1: the draft class kind of works in your favorite It
Speaker 1: goes back to what Brian even said in the first segment.
Speaker 1: Last couple of years, the best player available has come
Speaker 1: to you, but it's also been in a position where
Speaker 1: you could utilize it. And I think that's the best
Speaker 1: chance that we're going to see that kind of line
Speaker 1: up together and all the stars a line as if
Speaker 1: a Lender Bomb and a Green fell to you in
Speaker 1: the first round. I think that's the ideal scenario. And
Speaker 1: even if they don't, you're fine picking offensive line in
Speaker 1: the second and the third rounds there as well, because
Speaker 1: there's gonna be guys there like as Ion Johnson maybe
Speaker 1: if he falls to the mid fifties, or a Leviticus
Speaker 1: Smith or a Jeremy Slayer Smith from Virginia Tech and
Speaker 1: Slayer from Georgia. There are guys that are going to
Speaker 1: be good players in Day two that even if you
Speaker 1: wanted to go away from offensive line in day one,
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that, but I still think it's the
Speaker 1: number one priority moving forward. I think almost everyone would
Speaker 1: agree with that, based on the way the season ended. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, what's a cheater? He took the good answer. Sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll take I was just hit me. Wait, you got
Speaker 1: something else. I just watched San Francisco not score an
Speaker 1: offensive touchdown and win a playoff game. Yeah, if that's
Speaker 1: the way you want to try to do it, it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna work very often. I'm just telling you, though
Speaker 1: I've seen them, San Francisco has found a way with
Speaker 1: their front to control games on defense that you need
Speaker 1: to get better. I mean, your pass rush is fine,
Speaker 1: but you know, let's be honest. Nevill Gallimore wasn't good enough.
Speaker 1: We talked about Bohan and we talked about what's happening
Speaker 1: at defensive tackle here. If somehow, some way you can
Speaker 1: address what's going on with your defensive line, you know,
Speaker 1: San Francisco is one of the worst pass defenses in
Speaker 1: the league. They held Aaron Rodgers a two hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty five yards. You could say it was five degrees
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't care, but you want this team
Speaker 1: the last two playoff games have controlled the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: the Packers with defensive line. Don't tell me your front
Speaker 1: doesn't matter here, you know, And if it's depending on
Speaker 1: what happens with Randy Gregory depending on what happens with
Speaker 1: Tank Lawrence in that contract. You know this team's up
Speaker 1: against it in a couple of different ways. You might
Speaker 1: be forced to be to address your defensive line at
Speaker 1: twenty four. So other than Hutchinson and Thibodeau, who are
Speaker 1: just the Cowboys have no chance of drafting. We don't
Speaker 1: really need to even talk about it. How do you
Speaker 1: do that? At twenty four? George carluftis the which he
Speaker 1: may not be, but you know, I'll be interesting what
Speaker 1: happens with lyle from the from Texas A and U.
Speaker 1: Sorry not a fan. Well let me do a favorite.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna make that sound, let's hear a report. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't want I don't want yeah to Marvin Leel
Speaker 1: Texas A and M. I have him as like a
Speaker 1: second round defensive tackle because he has the physical traits
Speaker 1: to be a really really good player. To me on tape,
Speaker 1: he's never put it together. I watched, I believe it
Speaker 1: was Cross. I believe I watched the Mississippi State game
Speaker 1: and Marvin Leale never ever, on any snap, made Charles
Speaker 1: Cross uncomfortable in any way, shape or form. Is he
Speaker 1: a quick guy that can play defensive tackle, yes. Will
Speaker 1: he flash the ability to make plays in the backfield, yes?
Speaker 1: Does he flash the ability to be a power player
Speaker 1: at the line of scrimmage? Yes? Does he do any
Speaker 1: of those things consistently? No? So de Marvin Leal to
Speaker 1: me is a that's probably about right late first round
Speaker 1: pick where somebody's taken a swing on what they think
Speaker 1: he can be. I want to be able to trust
Speaker 1: my first round pick that I've seen him do it.
Speaker 1: Who's your top interior defensive lineman then Jordan Davis. But
Speaker 1: he's a two down player. Yeah, so that's hard and
Speaker 1: that's I mean, that's going to be a guy that
Speaker 1: people keep going back to just because he's so unique.
Speaker 1: Jordan Davis out of Georgia. I'm very confident we're talking
Speaker 1: about you see. That's what I'm saying though. To me,
Speaker 1: you look at these teams and we talk about you
Speaker 1: got to defend the run, You got to defend the run.
Speaker 1: It's not the case anymore. You know, teams throw the football,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, you're sitting here talking about the
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. They will have to defend the run.
Speaker 1: They rushed the passer. Yeah, forty nine ers. The forty
Speaker 1: nine ers in the game against you had they lost
Speaker 1: their best player and still put you in peril. They
Speaker 1: got better after they lost their best player. Honestly, come on, man,
Speaker 1: So it doesn't matter. Get ends, get tackles addressed. The
Speaker 1: defensive line, You're you're going to be in some trouble here.
Speaker 1: So you're just saying the front in general. I'm seeing
Speaker 1: the front, yeah, because you don't know what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Like I say, if teams are going to throw the ball,
Speaker 1: what's the one thing that this team did a good
Speaker 1: job of rushing the passer? Yeah, you know that was
Speaker 1: the one thing. You know why they rushed the passers
Speaker 1: so well because they got leads. Now, maybe it is
Speaker 1: about helping the guard and the tackles and the stuff.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to talk about the commonalities of
Speaker 1: the team's left right now, and this probably is going
Speaker 1: to help somebody like de Marvin lee l who's a
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty nine pound defensive tackle. Uh gosh,
Speaker 1: when I think about what they having common. Eric Armstead
Speaker 1: is a penetrating monster on the interior. Aaron Donald is
Speaker 1: maybe the best player in football. Chris Jones is one
Speaker 1: of the best pass rushers in football from the interior.
Speaker 1: If you find you somebody on the interior they can
Speaker 1: pass rush. That seems to work out well. And what's
Speaker 1: the most disruptive type of pressure to a quarterback the mire.
Speaker 1: But just in general, and again, I mean we'll get
Speaker 1: I'm just being different from the answering game. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you want to think about I mean, but I
Speaker 1: think I appreciate, I think this is worthwhile. But just
Speaker 1: from the preliminary research that I've done, you know, like
Speaker 1: going back, a couple of drafts like Derek Brown and
Speaker 1: javon Kin Law aren't in this draft class or am
Speaker 1: I wrong? I don't know they are. They're not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're not. Jeffrey Simmons isn't in this draft class. Guy,
Speaker 1: I don't think they are. Well, then you know what
Speaker 1: you could do? Okay, Then what I should have said then,
Speaker 1: is any player on defense linebacker. Listen, there's a couple
Speaker 1: of safeties in this draft. I don't know the safeties
Speaker 1: you've looked at, but there's a you know, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of quarterback you can't let him pick the whole
Speaker 1: Give me, give me Kyle hamis argument, which, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a great point. Thank you to pick wide receiver. That's
Speaker 1: that's where you go. Though, I'm I'm not like making
Speaker 1: fun I'm curious. No, if he didn't get to take
Speaker 1: every defensive position. Um, if you're talking about Ryan, I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to take every defensive position. I said defensive line.
Speaker 1: If if he's sticking with defensive just say defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: For the sake of giving you some choices, give me
Speaker 1: the exact framing of the question. Again, what do you
Speaker 1: think is this team's biggest need? And we're just gonna say,
Speaker 1: assuming you know, just take offensive line. Can't say defensive tackle.
Speaker 1: This doesn't mean that I want to pick it at
Speaker 1: twenty four. But if you want to know this team's
Speaker 1: biggest need, it's safety. This team, this team, like right
Speaker 1: now in the safety room, it's Donovan Wilson on a
Speaker 1: stool spinning circles. Well, that's who's in the room. That
Speaker 1: is myself looking around versus up Kase. He's up up,
Speaker 1: And I mean, that's the tricky part about starting this show.
Speaker 1: And Jay, one of those guys will be back right,
Speaker 1: depends on if your defensive code you listened to Stephen
Speaker 1: Jones on our show. I don't remember what he said.
Speaker 1: They'll keep their own guys. They just don't saybody else's
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Oh, I mean, they're not going
Speaker 1: to be big spenders, but like Mallie Cooker, you know,
Speaker 1: I have to spend a ton of money to get
Speaker 1: Malie Cooker back here. Good or bad. Mollie Cooker, I
Speaker 1: thought he was pretty good this year and thought he
Speaker 1: got better too. He wasn't. I'm glad. I'm glad I was.
Speaker 1: I agree with you, guys. I just asked the question
Speaker 1: in a way I didn't think. I mean, I didn't
Speaker 1: think Kay Bay else would say, is any good? I
Speaker 1: think most people would probably say And that sounds weird
Speaker 1: because nobody took his job, But I think most people
Speaker 1: would probably prioritize Hooker over Casey. I would. I think
Speaker 1: most people started playing him more after the DUI think well,
Speaker 1: and also, Casey doesn't want to step up and hitting
Speaker 1: anybody either. Let's throw his body around a little bit.
Speaker 1: I saw him kind of get run over a couple
Speaker 1: of times times. He's a smaller guy. I mean, he's
Speaker 1: a corner playing safety. He was teammate he would take anybody.
Speaker 1: Go get a real safety. Go get Dax Hill from
Speaker 1: from Michigan. I mean, yeah, guy could play in the slot.
Speaker 1: Some of the some on Brisker from Penn State. There's
Speaker 1: there's somebody there some Twitter, but he but here. They
Speaker 1: would have to do that for me to believe it
Speaker 1: would happen. That's why it goes all the way back
Speaker 1: to that. That's a deep rooted thing. That's why he
Speaker 1: question the phrase, you of the question because if it's
Speaker 1: biggest need to me, the real answer with every position
Speaker 1: available is safety. But is it likely they're going to
Speaker 1: address that with a high pick in the draft. Probably not.
Speaker 1: That's their biggest need today. So Kyle Hamilton at Notre
Speaker 1: Dame is the unquestioned safety boss of this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's he's gone way No, that's no. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say he's he's out of here. Yeah, So in our arrange,
Speaker 1: if he was there over linder bomb, would you take
Speaker 1: linder Bomb? Still? I did say it doesn't matter, but
Speaker 1: that's because I assumed happy. Sure, But when you just
Speaker 1: want to throw it out there, I will also take
Speaker 1: Aiden Hutchinson if he makes it to twenty four. Who's
Speaker 1: our Who's our Penn State guy brisks Jakwan Brisker, Brisker, Brisker,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, like like the like brisk tea or actually
Speaker 1: brisket with an R. You watch Catalan yet from Arkansas?
Speaker 1: Is he coming out? He's not. I'm not coming out
Speaker 1: and it's okay. But then that's one of the ones
Speaker 1: that I had him in high school. Catalan's a good
Speaker 1: player from Arkansas, by the way. Player. I had him
Speaker 1: over Brisker by the way. That's why I asked he's
Speaker 1: probably done him and he didn't come out. He'd probably
Speaker 1: be like Dye provided the list to me and I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I had him in the second I had
Speaker 1: Brisker in the second round too. Oh. That's all I've
Speaker 1: been doing for the last week is going through different
Speaker 1: people's like top one fifty and mean, like, okay, what's
Speaker 1: what's this guy's story? How do you pronounce this guy's name? Yeah? So,
Speaker 1: but say like and again, I guess it's hard to project,
Speaker 1: but like, I assume one of those guys will be
Speaker 1: back in the building, preferably both. I don't know, what
Speaker 1: do you think jay Ron Curse will be worth it?
Speaker 1: In two months? He played really well, there's two guys
Speaker 1: who have now remade themselves. Yeah, him, curse gonna have
Speaker 1: a market. Yep, he now proved he can cover. We
Speaker 1: didn't believe he can cover coming out of clims, and
Speaker 1: we thought he was a bum. And I thought he
Speaker 1: didn't try hard and didn't like football. Come he loves
Speaker 1: football and he can cover. We were wrong about him.
Speaker 1: The guy you're tied in also is gonna make money.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he's gonna make money. Somebody on I didn't.
Speaker 1: I did not propose that on Twitter and on the
Speaker 1: twenty for that very reason. Widermeyer, somebody named Drip Wheeler
Speaker 1: said it's like a stock car driver. That's because that
Speaker 1: would be Rip Wheeler in days of thunder. I believe
Speaker 1: that Rusty Wheeler. Rather it's Rusty wheel How big, how
Speaker 1: big of a need? Do you see a tight end?
Speaker 1: You know, Dalton Schultz fourth rounds, fine, sprinkle whatever you
Speaker 1: think me a big I've seen one. I've seen one.
Speaker 1: Whidermeyer is the only one I've watched. And he I
Speaker 1: tell you what he's he's a really good player. But
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you know, you're probably not gonna pick
Speaker 1: a tight end in the first round bringing Gronk. I
Speaker 1: want a blocking tight end if I'm gonna go draft
Speaker 1: the guy and is there a blocking both is sure?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Jake Ferguson from Wisconsin, Okay,
Speaker 1: watch make sense us guys. Traditional disappoint me those Wisconsin
Speaker 1: guys every time they talk about blocking tight end. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 1: look at this guy. It's a big tackle out there,
Speaker 1: and guy gets in the league. He can't block. It's
Speaker 1: a pillow fight play offensive lineman at tight end. Don't
Speaker 1: worry about all that. It worked well last year. Should
Speaker 1: have thrown it to Steel on that one play he
Speaker 1: presented his numbers. He was in the middle of the field,
Speaker 1: he was open, he caught a touchdown pass. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: in the playoff game he and they went double fullback
Speaker 1: and both of them are open, but eight yards downfield.
Speaker 1: I don't know why Dad didn't trust him. As long
Speaker 1: as we're going back to that, and so you've all
Speaker 1: answered the question, we've still got some time to kill
Speaker 1: Lyle Collins guard depends if if is that a thing?
Speaker 1: If Philbin stays around for Phil you know what, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, instead of going back to Connor Williams,
Speaker 1: they should have went ahead. If they really did believe
Speaker 1: that Steele was one of their best linemen, they should
Speaker 1: have put Steel at right tackle and put Collins at guard.
Speaker 1: If they if they're going to keep going back to Connor,
Speaker 1: Williams might have been the bad play here. They might
Speaker 1: have been able to see what it looks like with
Speaker 1: Steel because they love Steele. They love the fact he
Speaker 1: comes in, he tries hard, he you know, he works everything.
Speaker 1: He's a coach's pet kind of a guy, you know,
Speaker 1: really cares about the game. They love everything about him.
Speaker 1: Nobody says anything bad about him. They think he's their best,
Speaker 1: one of their best players, one of the best offensive lineman.
Speaker 1: So if that's the case, take Lyle Collins. They should
Speaker 1: have done that at least to see what it looked like,
Speaker 1: because that's what this team might be in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that might be politics, the
Speaker 1: politics of football. Let me tell you what. The offensive
Speaker 1: line coach is best friends with the head coach, so
Speaker 1: that carries a big stick. It's like having bones fossil
Speaker 1: in your building, you know, Mike, I think we need
Speaker 1: to I'm not sure. Whatever, Yeah, sure, special team. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what, you know what he you know, he
Speaker 1: survived the kicker situation. You know, it didn't kill you
Speaker 1: at the end, and he found a Pro Bowl punter.
Speaker 1: I mean, give him at it for that. They were.
Speaker 1: They were a top eight special teamed unit this year too.
Speaker 1: Look at the Packers they went home because of their
Speaker 1: special teams. You know, it's something to that. But if
Speaker 1: you're a coach on staff and you carry a big
Speaker 1: stick with the head coach, the Joe Philbins those guys,
Speaker 1: there's always going to be a place for the guys
Speaker 1: that he wants his pet cats to play. Who's the
Speaker 1: next guy you're gonna watch? Man? I mean, we've just
Speaker 1: there's I've been very fortunate because I was just trying
Speaker 1: to do two or three at night, and now I'm passed.
Speaker 1: I started with Dane Brugler's top fifty and so now
Speaker 1: he had me watching a center last night from a
Speaker 1: well actually guard from Memphis that you know, it's really
Speaker 1: not It was like a fourth round player, and I
Speaker 1: was just kind of, yeah, it's star, it's January. You
Speaker 1: want to watch the heavy hitters. And Jane, this guy
Speaker 1: was two hundred and eighty five pounds. He's a good player,
Speaker 1: but I mean on the list, I'm just taking the
Speaker 1: list and kind of like you said, take people's list.
Speaker 1: I trust Dane a lot, but you know, that guy's
Speaker 1: like a fourth round player. I'm hopeful that I need.
Speaker 1: I need to get some of these linebackers done. I
Speaker 1: need to get some of the outside linebackers done. That's
Speaker 1: kind of the direction I'm going. Sneaky area of need.
Speaker 1: What about you, sneaky area of need? Yeah, um, i'd
Speaker 1: probably say linebackers too. That's where I'm at right now.
Speaker 1: I've kind of watched the heavy hitters on the offensive
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and I'm kind of going through
Speaker 1: the defense. I started with safety in corner and now
Speaker 1: I'm kind of at the linebacker spot, which is a
Speaker 1: little anti conducive to what to what Brian was talking
Speaker 1: about in terms of the defensive line. I still haven't
Speaker 1: watched a ton of those guys. I've watched like the Leale,
Speaker 1: I have overdone the edges. I there's no there's no
Speaker 1: overdoing again. Like we're gonna be back and yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're running out of time here, but we'll be back
Speaker 1: Thursday and then two days a week until freaking May
Speaker 1: so you got you can't overdo It's no, no, I'm
Speaker 1: just saying this. I'm looking at my board right now.
Speaker 1: You know I've got I mean, like I say, Thibodeaux, Hutchison,
Speaker 1: Carloftis Walker a JOBU you know, I mean those that's
Speaker 1: five edges are you have in the first round right there?
Speaker 1: And then not to mention Jermaine Johnson, Cam Thomas, by
Speaker 1: the way, you need to watch Cam Thomas from San
Speaker 1: Diego State. It's a good player, all right. Well before
Speaker 1: that next week, yeah, I was about to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: I got some homework for all of y'all. We'll be
Speaker 1: back Thursday, and it'll be the last time we do
Speaker 1: a show before the league descends on mobile. I believe
Speaker 1: for the Senior Bowl. We're gonna talk about that. I
Speaker 1: want to hear about your pet cats on the Senior
Speaker 1: Bowl roster. We will do that Thursday. Thank you all
Speaker 1: so much for joining us. It's exciting, maybe maybe still
Speaker 1: slightly disappointing, but exciting to be back on this journey
Speaker 1: once again. Thanks for joining Cheff with the power pose
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