WEBVTT - Draft Show: Looking Back To Look Ahead 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.120 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:06.120 --> 0:00:14.160 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys. This is the 0:00:14.280 --> 0:00:19.319 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:23.440 insider news and craft analysis from deep within the confines 0:00:23.480 --> 0:00:29.760 of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in for school. And 0:00:30.000 --> 0:00:36.400 now your hosts Brian brought us Jeff Cavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:45.200 and David Hellman, And just like that we are back. Guys. 0:00:45.240 --> 0:00:47.320 I don't want to speak for everyone at this table, 0:00:47.440 --> 0:00:49.800 but if ever there was a year I thought the 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:53.199 Draft Show might start later than usual, I thought it 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:56.600 might be this one. But it is not the case. 0:00:56.680 --> 0:00:59.680 There are two seasons. There's football season and there's Draft season, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.440 and half season is underway. Welcome everyone to the Draft Show, 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:08.880 presented by Miller Lite, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Guys, 0:01:09.880 --> 0:01:12.800 good to see you. It seems that one thing that 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:16.200 we're really good at is this drafting thing. Yeah, so 0:01:16.400 --> 0:01:19.240 maybe that's the consistent here. We know that part now 0:01:19.440 --> 0:01:22.160 we got Maybe maybe that other side needs to work 0:01:22.160 --> 0:01:25.640 on their game a little bit more. So I'm excuse me, 0:01:25.680 --> 0:01:27.600 I'm rude. I just if you listen to the Draft Show, 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:29.320 I just I think of you as like a long 0:01:29.400 --> 0:01:31.880 time friend. I assume you know all of these voices. 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:34.880 Just in case you're new here. I'm David Hellman. I 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.360 will be quarterbacking this thing in twenty twenty two. That 0:01:38.520 --> 0:01:42.320 was Brian brought us a long time NFL personnel guys, 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.960 super Bowl winning scout. You know, back in the day, 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:47.960 with your height, we wouldn't have let you quarterback at no. 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:52.520 Thank God for Kyler Murrah. Thank God changed the game. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:57.120 That is. Kyle Yeoman's coming on for your third, third year, 0:01:57.280 --> 0:02:01.200 third trip through the draft process. And he's quiet right now. 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:04.840 But Jeffrey Cavanaugh's with us as well, long time radio 0:02:05.240 --> 0:02:08.160 draft all around fun guy. What's up, Jeffrey? Just pondering, 0:02:08.240 --> 0:02:10.120 just thinking about who we're picking, just trying to figure 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.640 just all right, you're just cut to the chase right now. 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:15.960 I've adopted a new stance for broadcast. Yeah, that's what 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:19.600 they tell I learned it from Michael Irvin and Kurt Warner. 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:22.160 They tell you as much of the table as you can. 0:02:22.240 --> 0:02:25.639 You gotta like domineering, like Eisen sitting there just doing this. 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:27.959 But then on the other side of the room, those 0:02:28.040 --> 0:02:30.680 dudes are spread out, So I feel like I'm I 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.200 have a presence. There's a bit of tongue in cheek 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.920 in that sometimes because that that is, like Dave said, 0:02:35.919 --> 0:02:38.680 that's what we're coached to do. On the television side. 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:40.800 I've got a stance kind of like this where it's 0:02:40.840 --> 0:02:43.920 like like one arms kind of bench straight out this way. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.239 But there are other guys that will do the big 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:53.440 somewhere somewhere, Jury, Madeline, I'm right now. I am Jordan Davis. Yeah, 0:02:53.480 --> 0:02:55.960 I am taking up as much space as possible. Like 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.520 you're looking hard to block right now. You are looking 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:01.680 hard to block. Get big? Well you get Do you 0:03:01.680 --> 0:03:03.200 have a name? You got a name? Just don't even 0:03:03.200 --> 0:03:04.400 think about it? What do you mean? Just have a 0:03:04.639 --> 0:03:06.800 pick twenty four? You got a name? Tyler Linderball Tyler. 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:09.440 All right, sweet, that's and I'm glad we're on the 0:03:09.440 --> 0:03:12.600 same page. Already done. I love picked. This time of 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.520 year is always fun for me because like we don't 0:03:15.560 --> 0:03:18.240 know what we don't know. And and as we go, 0:03:18.480 --> 0:03:20.680 if you're new to this, you know you're you're gonna 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:23.640 narrow it down. You're we're gonna get a much better 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.360 idea of what we're all thinking about. But Tyler Linderbaum 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:30.320 seems to be the early name, like two years ago. 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:33.320 Oddly enough, it was Neville Gallimore was like one of 0:03:33.320 --> 0:03:35.800 the first guys we were talking about. We got on 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:38.880 Layton vander esh really really quickly. I'm interested to see 0:03:38.880 --> 0:03:41.320 how that evolves. But I like where your heads at 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:44.880 to start thinking? There we go? Yeah, I think to me, 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.480 how about this just jumping right in. Yeah, we're already 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.360 off the track of what I wanted. Derek Stingley first segment. 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:54.840 I like, what you like. We can't take Derek Stingley. 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.440 He's barely even played college football. Nobody could pick him 0:03:57.440 --> 0:03:59.320 with the top twenty three people. Just let him fall 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.680 to twenty four. I support what Jeff's doing right now 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.600 because he's trying to talk this into existence. Lindar bombs small, 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:09.000 so is Nakobe Deane. I'll tell you what, Yeah, you 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.920 can't take any one of those guys, you know, And 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.800 like I said, you know, Sauce Gardner at a Cincinnati 0:04:13.920 --> 0:04:17.080 clearly a better corner than Stingiest. Oh. I agree, Yeah, 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.440 we should just get this is good, by the way, 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:23.320 get it out of the way. In the first episode, 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.120 throw out all of the positives for these players and 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.240 then the rest of the draft show just tear them 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.680 down the way. If somebody picks up on it, then 0:04:31.720 --> 0:04:33.840 they slipped at twenty four. I mean we jolly act 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.800 excited about it. Yeah, just and we have Look, we 0:04:36.880 --> 0:04:39.160 have that power. Brian, you know, oh my god, this 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:42.719 is what you're ninth year doing this. From the word go. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:45.960 You've tanked some draft stocks. Just compare, Oh my god, 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.600 compare linder bomb through a bad center and we'll we're 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.960 working with gas. He's furry, undersized, you know, he doesn't 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.240 handle pressure on this still costa. Yeah exactly. Now I 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.919 think to me, yeah, we've got in trouble with Bosa, 0:04:59.000 --> 0:05:01.480 the Joey Bosa, that's the one. I compare it into 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.640 Greg Ellis, you know, and Greg Ellis was a damn 0:05:03.640 --> 0:05:06.720 good player. But I'll say this though about like I say, 0:05:07.600 --> 0:05:10.840 I appreciate the fact that people trust us along the way, 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:13.919 you know, but I also encourage people. Our show is 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:18.080 investigate and educate, So that the first word is investigate. 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.240 If you have the opportunity, however, you can to look 0:05:21.240 --> 0:05:24.000 at these players, go back, go back. I mean there's 0:05:24.040 --> 0:05:26.080 things you can you know, there's ways you can find 0:05:26.120 --> 0:05:28.480 out how to at least watch these guys, you know, 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:30.680 I mean even on the YouTube stuff. I know it 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:33.080 sounds crazy, but the way they do these games now 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.200 you can get tight shots of offense and defensive linemen 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:37.960 to kind of, you know, get an idea of how 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:40.480 at least they look and move and stuff if you 0:05:40.520 --> 0:05:43.400 can't get the all twenty two. But yeah, I encourage 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:46.440 don't don't. I mean, yeah, you should listen to what 0:05:46.480 --> 0:05:49.440 we're saying, but also take the opportunity to try and 0:05:49.480 --> 0:05:51.799 do your own work and maybe have your own opinion 0:05:51.839 --> 0:05:55.320 on this. It's more accessible than it's ever been. Absolutely, 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:58.080 so we're gonna get into that, all right. If you're 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.640 new to this, We're here for an hour and we're 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.360 going to do this twice a week, so we got 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:06.000 a lot of time. I appreciate that to talk about 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:07.840 all these guys. But what I want to do first, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.799 we didn't have a mid season show, right, and going 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.680 back to the top of the show, I think that's 0:06:14.720 --> 0:06:17.200 probably because a lot of us thought we wouldn't need 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.480 to worry about the draft as early as mid January. Anyway, 0:06:21.760 --> 0:06:25.640 I would like to look back Cowboys twenty twenty one 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:28.919 draft class. We don't necessarily have to like grade these picks. 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:32.320 It's still only one year, but just revisit and tell 0:06:32.360 --> 0:06:35.680 me how do you feel about where things stand with 0:06:35.760 --> 0:06:38.600 what they did? You know, they went defense heavy. Obviously 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.760 Micah Parsons kind of speaks for himself, but just how 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:43.200 do you feel about where that class is moving into 0:06:43.240 --> 0:06:48.880 its second year? Somewhere between okay and good. Parsons has 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.080 obviously been incredible, but outside of that, I think early 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.200 on you might have felt better about OsO Diggi Zoowa 0:06:56.240 --> 0:06:58.359 than you did by the end. Like I think he 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:02.120 showed that he can contribute and hopefully become a nice player, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.720 maybe a solid NFL starter, But most of the rest 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:08.760 of that draft is kind of a wait and see. 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:13.200 Micah Parsons has overachieved the twelfth pick. He's overperformed, outperformed 0:07:13.240 --> 0:07:15.600 what I thought he could do. I had no idea 0:07:15.680 --> 0:07:17.560 he was the best edge rusher in football when I 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:20.040 watched him at Penn State. The rest of this draft 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:22.360 class is kind of wait and see. Quentin Bohanna gave 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:24.840 you a little bit, Gholston gave you a little bit. 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:28.720 Osa gave you some hope. Joseph gave you a little look. 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:31.920 But I do think that a lot of this will 0:07:31.960 --> 0:07:34.480 be determined in the next year or two. It's hard 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.400 to have a definitive opinion about a lot of the 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.679 guys that they've picked. I'm worried about Nahan right already, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:45.120 are you? Yeah? Why? Probably my thoughts of him when 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.520 he was picked, combined with it was clear even in 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:52.080 camp they put Kelvin Joseph on the side that was 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.760 competing with somebody. They put Nashan Right on the side 0:07:54.760 --> 0:07:58.200 to watch Treyvon Diggs when guys were getting banged up. 0:07:58.280 --> 0:08:00.200 There's never a question who was going in the game. 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.520 It was Kelvin Joseph. It wasn't Nashan Right, And maybe 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:07.600 you're gonna lose the coach who wanted Nishan Right to 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:12.520 begin with. So it's an interesting point. Yeah, there's I 0:08:12.600 --> 0:08:15.240 believe this will look back at this draft class and 0:08:15.280 --> 0:08:19.240 we'll say Parsons is the best defensive player in football 0:08:19.320 --> 0:08:27.560 or one of them and osa Gholston Joseph were at 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.319 least hit ish. And I'm still a big believer in 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:35.040 Jabril Cox, who we didn't get to see, but I 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:36.959 said when they picked him, I think Jabril Cox is 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:39.319 going to play in Pro Bowls, and I believe that 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:42.480 because that's the sort of player to me that translates 0:08:42.520 --> 0:08:46.000 to today's NFL. The great coverage linebacker who's acceptable in 0:08:46.040 --> 0:08:49.240 the run game. Those guys can develop into something really good, 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:51.360 but we haven't seen it yet. So my early reaction 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:55.959 to this draft class is Parsons is awesome. That's Parsons 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:58.600 is great. And I think that's the early part about 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.280 this is you can't necessarily look at the draft class 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:03.200 with a guy like Michael Parsons at the top of 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.120 that and label it as a failure of a draft class. 0:09:06.520 --> 0:09:08.960 But you do feel disappointed with the way that picks 0:09:09.040 --> 0:09:12.920 two through eleven ended up turning out because they did 0:09:12.960 --> 0:09:15.920 have so many defensive heavy guys. But you can really 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.920 count on one hand and it doesn't take up the 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:20.800 whole hand how many guys made an impact. Nashan Wright, 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:23.640 the biggest impact he had was recovering a fumble on 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:27.120 special teams throughout the season. He never got any starting snaps. 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.079 And even Kelvin Joseph, He's a second round pick, and 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:31.880 I know that there was a crowded room at the 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:35.040 cornerback spot and there was there was competition there, but 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.920 you still expected him to really jump in there and 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:40.480 at least be in the rotation, and it took into 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:44.040 what week twelve through seventeen to really see that finally happen, 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:47.040 and it took injuries for that to happen. So I'm 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:49.760 with you. I would say I would say it's a 0:09:49.760 --> 0:09:51.880 good draft class based off of the fact that you 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.080 have Michael Parsons. But moving forward, those guys are going 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:58.600 to be under the microscope. And talking about even Jabril 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.079 Cox because of the injury, how is he going to return? 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.760 Can he get into the rotation a linebacker? And then 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.400 Chauncey Golston as well in the way that he didn't 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:09.600 necessarily make a ton of impact mostly due to injury. Yeah, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.760 I think Jeff's right. If you saw everything that was 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:15.199 going on with Parsons and rushing the past and all 0:10:15.240 --> 0:10:17.680 that from that Penn State tape, you need to be 0:10:17.720 --> 0:10:20.200 a general manager of a team. You know you've got 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.520 some some incredible talent of evaluation there, because again, you 0:10:24.559 --> 0:10:26.920 saw a guy that could blitz, You saw him on 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.800 the stunts and things like that. You knew he could close, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.080 you knew he had power, you knew he could run 0:10:32.440 --> 0:10:35.320 all these things. You actually saw him. You know. I 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:38.280 talked to a scout about him from another team. He said, listen, 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:40.959 this guy plays on three levels. He could play as 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.000 a rusher, he could play as a linebacker, and you 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:45.280 can use him in coverage. Those are things. I mean 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:47.360 there's a lot of guys that just can only play 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.760 on two levels. He plays on all three levels. So 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:52.920 that in itself, right, there was a home run. You know, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.600 for a while there, dan Quinn was tread and water 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:59.760 with his group. Though he didn't have you know, Gallimore 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:02.160 and guys like that. I mean, he really had to 0:11:02.280 --> 0:11:05.480 lean on some of these young guys and it wasn't perfect. 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:10.440 I'll say this though. The disappointing thing to me was Joseph. 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:13.079 But Quinn and this defense caught a break because their 0:11:13.120 --> 0:11:16.360 corners didn't let them down. Yeah, Brown played well enough, 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:19.880 Lewis played well enough, and then Digs of course, you know, 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:22.360 he played well enough with the turnovers and stuff, so 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.920 they didn't have to go with Joseph for right here, 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:27.080 and so that they caught a little bit of a 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:30.240 break there of not having to use those guys. I'm 0:11:30.280 --> 0:11:34.199 excited about Jabril Cox, I really am. I think he's 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:37.400 gonna take Layton vander Esch's spot. You know, I wouldn't 0:11:37.400 --> 0:11:39.640 be surprised if this team you were throwing out names 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.880 of guys. You know, Dean we talked about at Georgia. 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:44.800 I mean, we're going to get into Devin Lloyd of 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:47.240 Utah as another guy. I wouldn't be surprised if his 0:11:47.240 --> 0:11:51.040 team adds another linebacker to this mix. But overall, though, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.280 I think I was a little bit more disappointed with 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.720 Gholston and what he could have done, and I thought 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.360 there was better. You know, he was very similar to like, 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.560 play the run, keep you a little bit of a 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:05.559 pass rush. Didn't see him do all that much. Bohannah, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:07.920 big guy Kentucky kind of thought he was going to 0:12:08.000 --> 0:12:10.480 be a run stopper in the middle. Didn't really do 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:13.640 all that much. So I think, overall though, the defense, 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.160 those guys plugged in and played, but the expectations were 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:21.520 I mean, well, the results were really great with Parsons, 0:12:21.520 --> 0:12:23.920 everybody else kind of gets a hey, we'll see what 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.280 happens to you next year. I think you all kind 0:12:26.280 --> 0:12:28.040 of touched on this, But this is what I think 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:31.920 is so interesting and I'm not so much concerned about 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:37.080 so the late round guys are Semi Phihoko, Quentin Bohannah, 0:12:37.160 --> 0:12:41.800 Israel Mukuamu, Matt farneyac. They all sort of bounced between 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:48.160 doing nothing to not be an active exactly. All of 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.000 those guys spend time on as healthy and actives. Yeah, 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.800 not so much worried about them. That's late day three 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:57.440 that that'll happen. But the names that I'm looking at 0:12:57.480 --> 0:13:01.439 are all the way through your fourth round pick other 0:13:01.480 --> 0:13:05.079 than Micah, all of these guys, You're like, like, I 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.640 kind of saw some flashes, yeah, flashes, yeah, And I'm 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.480 just curious, and I think this applies to everybody. So 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:16.120 Kelvin and Nishan Wright play a position that you desperately needed, 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:19.120 and guys are running out on their contracts. You know, 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.959 Anthony Brown's entering the last year of his deal. OSA 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:25.080 and Chauncey Golston you can never have enough defensive lineman. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:28.320 Jabril Cox y'all hit on that perfectly. And then the 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.600 other one, Josh Ball, who we got nothing with red 0:13:31.640 --> 0:13:34.080 shirt years, the epitome of a red shirt year. And 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.840 I just wonder, how do those guys weigh in your 0:13:37.880 --> 0:13:40.560 brain when you're trying to decide what this team needs 0:13:40.640 --> 0:13:43.360 right now, Like how you just said you think Jabril 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:47.680 Cox and I agree, is capable of starting. Does that 0:13:47.760 --> 0:13:50.920 affect your mindset toward linebacker in this draft? Same thing 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:54.560 with like does having a Josh Ball on this roster matter? No? No, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:56.640 not at all. I Mean the one thing that I 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:58.839 learned when I was in Green Bay with Ron Wolf 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.240 was when you feel like you're strong at a position, 0:14:01.480 --> 0:14:03.880 go ahead and add another one. You know that that 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.840 that's what met That's what gets your real depth this team. 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:08.600 I know, Jeff and I we talk about it on 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.360 our show. You know every every year in the spring 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.640 about drafting the best available player. This team has found 0:14:14.640 --> 0:14:17.320 a way to like have players fall in their lap 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.240 and it's like, wow, well they need they need Chase 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.240 on defensive end, Chase on, Chase on, Chase on Ceedee 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.320 Lamb's the pick, you know. I mean, you know that's 0:14:26.360 --> 0:14:29.120 the kind of stuff you know that you look at 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.760 this team and they've had a really good run of 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:34.440 just drafting their board with the way it was, the 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.400 way their stack was. So yeah, I think at twenty 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.920 one you have to be open. Would you like to 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.600 have another linebacker? Absolutely? Would you love to have another 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:45.880 offensive tackle or a guard or a center. Absolutely, you know, 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:49.320 I think there's would you like to have another wide receiver? Absolutely, 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.800 you know there there's there you can you could be 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:55.480 really open sitting where they're at right now and and 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:58.000 really bang this draft out and have a really good 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.360 one that way. And it also goes back to kind 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:02.480 of what you were talking about with it being those 0:15:02.520 --> 0:15:05.480 middle round picks. And even if there are expectations or 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.800 the possibility of guys like Jabril Cox becoming a starter 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:12.200 at linebacker, he's not a starter yet. So if you 0:15:12.280 --> 0:15:15.520 have an opportunity and into Kobe Dean from Georgia, finds 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:17.400 a way down and he's there, and you find a 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.920 way to he's the pick at twenty four, then all 0:15:21.960 --> 0:15:24.440 of a sudden, you've got competition there. If Jabril Cox 0:15:24.520 --> 0:15:27.320 still turns into a starting caliber Jabril Cox down the road, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:29.720 then you've got a surplus at the linebacker spot. So 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:31.920 I completely yeah, the only guy, the only guy that 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.360 the only guy that showed that, Like maybe you don't 0:15:34.600 --> 0:15:37.400 we talk about linebackers, but Parsons, I mean that's the 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.080 one guy. Everybody else is still in that. If you 0:15:40.200 --> 0:15:43.480 drafted a guy, the raft, the draftable guy would be 0:15:43.480 --> 0:15:45.560 competing with a guy that you're still kind of waiting 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.680 to see. So that's not keeping me from picking. If 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.520 if I draft a guy that's better than a guy 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:53.440 drafted last year, and he's and he proves he could 0:15:53.480 --> 0:15:55.640 play by all means play the other guy, you become 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:57.640 a backup. Well, and I would add this, I'm just 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:00.680 one idiot with an opinion here, but if Real coxenter 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:02.720 training camp, I call, my god, he's incredible. He's going 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:04.680 to be a starting linebacker. And you drafted a first 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.800 round linebacker. I don't care. Yeah, because Micah Parsons showed 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.160 me he's one of the best pass rushers in football. Yeah, 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.680 Micah Parsons in my world is going to spend a 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.080 lot of time lined up outside an offensive tackle going 0:16:16.120 --> 0:16:19.479 after the quarterback. Yeah. I need a linebacker. Whether Jabriel 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.000 and Parsons are your quote two linebackers or not, I 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:24.960 still need one. That would be a nice problem to 0:16:25.040 --> 0:16:28.440 have you touched on this, and I'll put you on 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:30.520 the spot because you can't really answer this question right now. 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:36.200 I can answer any question. Appreciate that. Yeah, yeah, answer. 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.360 I can't catch either of y'all a question that you 0:16:38.400 --> 0:16:41.640 can't answer, you have to do this every day. Um, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.240 how much does it concern you that the guy who 0:16:44.320 --> 0:16:47.800 created all this success for Micah Parsons is the hottest 0:16:47.840 --> 0:16:51.760 interview candidate in the NFL right now? A little bit? 0:16:53.200 --> 0:17:01.320 I think the defensive coordinator evaluation is really challenging. Like 0:17:01.400 --> 0:17:05.040 I think you take whoever is the hot coordinator candidate 0:17:05.080 --> 0:17:09.040 any year, and he's gonna go get his head coaching job, 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:11.560 And I say, okay, so he had a really good defense, 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.240 like sure, and he was responsible for that? Sure, who 0:17:16.240 --> 0:17:18.440 were his best players? And then you just start ripping 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:21.560 off names of really really good players, like Brandon Staley 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:23.960 was the hot name beforehand, right and it's like who 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.040 did he have? Oh yeah, Aaron Donald and Jalen Ramsey, 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:29.800 And like dan Quinn and the staff did a really 0:17:29.840 --> 0:17:32.159 good job of identifying that Michael Parsons could fill in 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.440 it edge and be a badass. I think dan Quinn 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:36.800 did a good job of showing that he has the 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:40.359 adaptability required to be a good defensive coach. And I 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:41.800 think he's a good teacher and I think he's a 0:17:41.840 --> 0:17:44.280 good leader. But I think a lot of times our 0:17:44.320 --> 0:17:48.800 ideas of how impossible it is to replace a guy 0:17:48.880 --> 0:17:52.800 get skewed when if you've got really good players, a 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:55.320 lot of times they'll get good results. Michael Parsons is 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:58.000 gonna play good football. Treyvon Diggs when he has a 0:17:58.080 --> 0:18:00.920 chance to is going to catch the foot ball. Those 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:03.639 things are going to happen. So I would rather have 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.400 him than not have him. But I don't think most 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:09.320 teams are going to be derailed by losing a coordinator. Yeah. 0:18:09.320 --> 0:18:11.480 I think the thing that Dan Quinn did that was 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:14.879 really smart is he came in here with the ideas 0:18:15.320 --> 0:18:18.480 last year. The previous year before he got here there 0:18:18.480 --> 0:18:21.199 were some things they did really well, and he didn't 0:18:21.240 --> 0:18:25.600 totally just scrap everything that they had done. And you know, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.479 if Joe Witt gets this job as the defensive coordinator 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.920 and he's interviewing for jobs right now, Seattle, the Giants, 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:34.560 the Jets, I think he's on the path of doing 0:18:34.560 --> 0:18:38.400 those But you know it's up to a defensive coordinator, 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.000 whoever that is, whether it's one on staff or one 0:18:41.119 --> 0:18:43.679 that comes from the outside. For example of Mike Zimmer. 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:46.320 Mike Zimmer would sit down and look at your tape 0:18:46.320 --> 0:18:49.399 and say, wow, okay, he knows what it's like to 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.920 play with Anthony Barr as a rush linebacker. So there's 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:57.560 some things already built in. If you were interviewing defensive coordinators, 0:18:57.600 --> 0:19:00.359 it's like, well, who plays the scheme or to what 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.280 we want to do. Mike Zimber does because he understands that, 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.280 and that's the coordinator's job. It's Will's job to go 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.439 shoulder and shoulder with dan Quinn as he's going to 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:13.919 State College Pennsylvania, Lexington, Kentucky and Corvallis working. You know, 0:19:14.000 --> 0:19:16.280 that's where Will has got to help. You know, He's 0:19:16.320 --> 0:19:18.320 got to go to all those places and make sure 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:21.160 that the players that these coaches want that they can 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:23.640 go get. And I think that's really the most important 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.520 thing going forward as you work on these drafts. I 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.480 was just kind of thinking on the way that you 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:34.679 outline that, Jeff, in terms of easy to replace. Is 0:19:34.680 --> 0:19:37.920 it easier to replace a coordinator now that dan Quinn 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.359 has kind of unleashed the blueprint of how this defense 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:42.600 could be successful, because that's one of the reasons why 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:44.760 he is the hot candidate right now. It's not just 0:19:44.840 --> 0:19:47.280 because he had a good defense. And sure, you've got 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:49.159 the parsons and the digs and the names that are 0:19:49.240 --> 0:19:51.800 going to rat a lot, but it's the complete area 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.440 of the turnaround that here. Real quick, I think he's 0:19:54.440 --> 0:19:57.840 getting jobs because everybody in NFL knew that Dallas's defense 0:19:57.880 --> 0:20:01.400 could potentially be a train wreck, and he came in 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.879 and not only changed the personnel like Jeff's talking about, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.960 but he also he also used players like coaches give 0:20:08.000 --> 0:20:11.040 you that lip of well, we put players in position 0:20:11.080 --> 0:20:13.800 to make place. No, dan Quinn, damn did that. You know? 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:16.639 These coaches damn did that? You know? And so that's why, 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:18.159 all of a sudden, if you're a general manager of 0:20:18.160 --> 0:20:20.760 a team that fired your guy, you're like, wait a minute, 0:20:20.880 --> 0:20:23.560 this guy could take my players, make them work in 0:20:23.560 --> 0:20:27.720 a scheme. Huh, that's an interesting idea. Maybe I should 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.080 have this guy's my head coach. So yeah, I think 0:20:30.119 --> 0:20:32.240 this is why there's nobody in the end. We were 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:34.080 all I know, on Jeff and on show there on 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:36.879