WEBVTT - #656 Packers Unscripted: Glancing ahead 0:00:00.520 --> 0:00:10.760 Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:14.400 Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 0:00:14.400 --> 0:00:17.319 by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoits were coming to you 0:00:17.440 --> 0:00:21.360 here from our studios at lambeau Field West. It's the 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.520 final week of O t A is the final week 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:27.360 of the off season program. This will actually be because 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:30.120 you're headed to uh some golf courses later this week. 0:00:30.160 --> 0:00:33.520 Good for you, some some time with pah hod out 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:35.600 on the links. That should be. That should be a 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:38.800 good time. But because of that, this will actually be 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:43.239 our last show until like the week, you know, a 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:45.920 few days before training camp will come back and and 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:49.760 uh and fire up Unscripted again. So because of that, 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:53.400 this this is what I want to do. And this 0:00:53.440 --> 0:00:55.640 is a dangerous thing to do in the middle of June, 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:58.360 but we're actually going to We're actually going to sort 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:01.760 of preview train eating Camp, even though it's like it's 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:04.040 like six weeks away. I want to fire some questions 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.440 at you. Um, I'll provide my own answers to the 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:09.759 questions as well. But this is sort of like, let's 0:01:09.800 --> 0:01:13.800 look ahead two based on what we've seen in the 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:17.480 off season. So far since last season ended, the draft, 0:01:17.560 --> 0:01:19.959 the O t A S, the mini camp, everything that's 0:01:19.959 --> 0:01:23.240 gone on. So my first question to you with regard 0:01:23.280 --> 0:01:27.119 to training camp two is what is the first thing 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.679 you are going to look for at the first day 0:01:29.720 --> 0:01:32.760 of practice in late July the receivers, Because for the 0:01:32.800 --> 0:01:36.520 first time it's actually gonna matter. Everybody wanted to make 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:39.319 this about Aaron Rodgers is attendance in the off season program. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:41.600 We wasn't here, he was here. It didn't matter. These 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.520 guys need to learn the playbook. And not only have 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.479 they had a chance now for two months to learn 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:47.280 the playbook, They're gonna have a chance here with the 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:49.040 next six weeks to be able to pick this thing 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:51.559 up even more and make sure that they are ready. 0:01:52.000 --> 0:01:53.880 The biggest line in the off season Mike. I know 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:56.360 it didn't come during a clutch situation in week twelve 0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.760 or anything, but Roger's talking about how he prefers production 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:02.680 or potential, even though they have a ton of potential 0:02:02.800 --> 0:02:05.480 right now. It's what can you do with that potential 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.960 is ultimately what's gonna matter. I'm writing about in our 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.880 Insider inbox for Tuesday. This is one of the big 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:15.240 lines I feel is what the hallmark right now of 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:18.560 these receivers. The three rookies all came in and each 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:21.440 of them had made plays. They all had big days 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.720 in practice. Juwan Winfrey had some big moments again during 0:02:24.720 --> 0:02:29.200 the offseason program. These guys have flashed with the opportunity. 0:02:29.240 --> 0:02:31.040 But when you get to training camp, that's where you 0:02:31.080 --> 0:02:34.720 need to stack it every single day. You need to 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.320 perform in those padded practices, you need to perform in 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.440 the preseason, and you've got to be healthy once you 0:02:39.440 --> 0:02:42.880 get to the end of August. The Packers, no bones 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.640 about it, Mike, it's gonna be an Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb, 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.840 Sammy Watkins kind of core there at the start. But 0:02:49.919 --> 0:02:52.120 who's gonna be that young guy that comes on like 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:54.920 Davante Adams did in two thousand fourteen. Who's gonna be 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:57.040 that young guy that makes a big play for this 0:02:57.080 --> 0:03:00.520 football team down the stretch. That's where these guys have 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:02.240 to get to in this offense. So for me, for 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:04.639 the first time, that's where I feel you really can 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:06.360 start looking at the receivers and trying to figure out 0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.720 who's going to fit into that depth chart. Yeah, absolutely, 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:11.720 figuring out that depth chart as as training camp the 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:15.480 preseason goes along, We're gonna see those rookie draft picks 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:17.920 get a ton of snaps in the preseason games. You 0:03:17.919 --> 0:03:20.080 know it's coming. Even if Aaron Rodgers is not going 0:03:20.120 --> 0:03:21.720 to play in the preseason and it's going to be 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.000 the Jordan's Love Show in those three preseason games, He's 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:27.680 going to be thrown to Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:31.040 and Samari tou A and and uh you know, and 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.760 and uh you know, Jowan Winfrey and Malik Taylor and 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:36.200 those guys as well are are going to get those 0:03:36.200 --> 0:03:41.280 opportunities as the competition there at that position really heats 0:03:41.320 --> 0:03:43.800 up in August. My answer to that question, the first 0:03:43.840 --> 0:03:45.640 thing I'm gonna look for on the first day of 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:49.680 practice is David Bactieri at left tackle when they when 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:51.560 they go to eleven on eleven. And I say that 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:53.880 not to set off like a bunch of alarm bells 0:03:54.000 --> 0:03:57.960 if he's not, but then what's gone on for the 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:00.200 last year and a half does start to be come 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.320 a bit of a concern. If on the first day 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.400 of training camp, when you're lining up for eleven on eleven, 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.360 if that left tackle that five time all pro left 0:04:08.360 --> 0:04:11.440 tackle is not is not there, and there's there's some 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:14.880 reason that he's not ready to fully practice. So that's 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:17.120 gonna be the first thing that that I glance at, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.080 because if Bok tr is not lining up at left 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.839 tackle at the start of training camp, then there's a 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:25.760 potential domino effect in terms of who's lining up where 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.680 at practice and where you know what the competition is 0:04:28.680 --> 0:04:30.719 going to be for this spot or that spot. So, 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:33.920 um so that's the first thing on my list at 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.120 at day one of practice. My next question for you, 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:41.520 what do you feel will be the biggest overall storyline 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:44.719 in this training camp? And maybe that's the same answer 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:47.040 if it's the receivers, not necessarily, because I think a 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:49.360 big storyline will be Jordan's love because he's going to 0:04:49.440 --> 0:04:51.280 get a lot of work in the preseason. Last year, 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.000 you kind of you sort of forget, I mean, the 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:55.400 shoulder injury knocked him out of one of those preseason games. 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.240 We end up seeing a lot more Kirk Ben Kurt 0:04:57.279 --> 0:04:59.039 than I think a lot of people are really expecting, 0:04:59.680 --> 0:05:02.760 just be because of that. For that reason, so seeing 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.680 love and in the strides he makes in year three 0:05:04.760 --> 0:05:07.800 is gonna be really telling this is the year where 0:05:08.000 --> 0:05:10.920 you really did start to notice. Okay, Aaron Rodgers is 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.640 a good quarterback. I mean you heard Tom Clements talk 0:05:13.680 --> 0:05:15.960 about it. That's for him and Joe Philbin were having 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:18.440 the discussions of you know, this guy we have behind five, 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:19.960 he may be better than some of these guys at 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.120 the Pro Bowl. I'm not saying Jordan's love needs to 0:05:22.120 --> 0:05:23.920 be at that point, but I think it does show 0:05:24.000 --> 0:05:26.400 you that this is where a guy is no longer 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.240 a rookie, is no longer a young player. He's going 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.960 to need to be able to guide this offense and 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.240 and show that kind of veteran sort of thumb on 0:05:35.520 --> 0:05:38.800 the brewprint of how things go. And frankly, I'm excited 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.880 for it. Uh my personal feelings are watching him during 0:05:41.920 --> 0:05:45.080 the offseason program. He does look a lot more sturdier 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:47.920 in the pocket. It seemed like he had more consistent practices. 0:05:48.200 --> 0:05:51.080 I wouldn't say he had that June's ninth practice that 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:54.320 he had back in one whereas like, holy crap, like 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.960 this guy looks like a top ten pick. I mean, 0:05:56.000 --> 0:05:59.880 he's just slinging it around confidently, fast. But I felt 0:05:59.880 --> 0:06:02.280 like there were fewer ups and downs with his game. Now, 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.640 it's gonna be interesting watching it be more live. You know, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:07.920 they didn't do a lot of live reps. It didn't 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:09.200 feel like and when they did it was like a 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:12.840 seven on seven sort of quasi ideal. So I feel 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.320 like Jordan's love will be a big storyline because as 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:17.320 much as you are preparing, you're trying to work out 0:06:17.320 --> 0:06:20.200 some of these position battles. People love the quarterbacks. This 0:06:20.279 --> 0:06:22.400 is a quarterback driven league, and I know there's still 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:24.479 a lot of Packers fans out there that haven't seen 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.920 a lot of this guy yet because of the pandemic 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:30.159 in so uh that to me that that's gonna be 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.520 probably the driving force for this entire thing. Yeah, I 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.440 think that. I think the Jordan's love development, that whole 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:38.000 story is is definitely going to be front and center 0:06:38.080 --> 0:06:42.080 throughout throughout training camp. He's going to take the vast 0:06:42.200 --> 0:06:44.880 majority of the snaps in the preseason games because I 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.960 don't expect Aaron Rodgers to play at all in the preseason. 0:06:47.960 --> 0:06:51.279 As we've talked before, he's taken the last preseason snap 0:06:51.279 --> 0:06:53.720 of his career. It's just not going to The Packers 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:58.040 aren't going to go down that road anymore. But um, 0:06:58.080 --> 0:07:00.960 but Jordan's love. Jordan's love is the quarterback who needs 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.080 the reps. The that development time is going to be 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.320 so important for him. If I were to if I 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.080 were to pick another, what I think will be a 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:14.200 very big dominating storyline throughout training camp. I think it's 0:07:14.200 --> 0:07:18.920 going to be watching quay Walker and DeVante why at 0:07:19.080 --> 0:07:23.280 the two first round draft picks from George's defense, and 0:07:23.320 --> 0:07:28.920 how quickly, how smoothly they can assimilate themselves into Joe 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.520 Berry's number one top unit. I mean, just to give people, 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:34.840 to give the fans out there a little bit for 0:07:34.880 --> 0:07:36.880 those who wonder, like, Okay, when you guys go out 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:39.880 to watch practice, like what are you watching? Right? So 0:07:41.600 --> 0:07:46.480 sometimes but this is how it works there. They're they're 0:07:46.640 --> 0:07:49.400 individual periods, different drills and stuff, and you know, you 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.960 kind of pick out, Okay, I want to keep an 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:53.520 eye on this guy, see how this guy looks when 0:07:53.560 --> 0:07:56.280 they get to what they call the team periods, which 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:59.880 is eleven on eleven. You and I both were pulling 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.040 out our notebooks and we're taking a look at the 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.200 first reps in eleven on eleven. Because the guys who 0:08:07.200 --> 0:08:09.960 take the first reps are the guys who are who 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:11.840 are at the top of the depth chart at that 0:08:11.920 --> 0:08:16.760 particular time. So we'll be watching, is you know, is 0:08:16.880 --> 0:08:20.360 Kay Walker lining up next to Deveandre Campbell with the 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.360 number one defense? Is Devonte Wyatt lining up next to 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.840 Kenny Clark in the number one defense? Now the Packers 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:31.480 have other players, whether you're talking Chris Barnes, Dean Lowry, 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:35.240 t J. Slayton, So there's always gonna be some rotation, 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.080 but we'll be watching. Okay, how often are those rookie 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.120 first round draft picks in there with the first unit? 0:08:42.160 --> 0:08:45.600 And I think through the practices, through the preseason games, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:48.560 those guys are going to play in the preseason, not 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.080 necessarily with the Devondre Campbell's and Kenny Clarks of the world. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.520 But that's the storyline on the defensive side for me, 0:08:56.280 --> 0:09:00.319 is how quickly are those rookie first round draft picks 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:03.080 going to establish themselves and the role that they are 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:07.080 going to play on Joe Barry's unit in two Well, ultimately, 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:08.400 when you go back and look at some of these 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:11.000 past offseason programs, that's how we knew in two thousand 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:13.360 nineteen that Darnell Savage was gonna be a big part 0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:15.280 of this thing. The Packers from the beginning of O. T. 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:17.640 A s had him out there with Adrian names that 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.200 is very rare. Like to give you a quick example 0:09:20.200 --> 0:09:23.040 of that. None of the offensive lineman the Packers drafted 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:25.040 this year we're working with the first team units. They 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.400 had Colvan and Land in the sixth rounder from last year, 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.600 swapping with Yash and Iman at the two tackle positions 0:09:30.600 --> 0:09:33.199 with those they'd like to go. Usually typically with the 0:09:33.280 --> 0:09:36.080 veteran players in those settings, but Kay Walker was a 0:09:36.080 --> 0:09:38.080 guy that did get some run a little bit with 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:39.959 the defense, and I think there's a number of different 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:41.880 ways they're going to be able to utilize them. I 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:43.679 know a lot of people were talking about Chris Barnes 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:45.600 and what happens with Barnes now. I still think Barnes 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:47.920 is a part of this equation, but it's the different 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:50.080 ways and where you're gonna be lining up Walker that 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:52.240 makes it interesting how that that group is going to 0:09:52.320 --> 0:09:56.880 come together. Walker is the X factor to me, just 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.840 because he gives this defense something that they really haven't 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:04.199 add before. Devandra Campbell pretty much out of the same mold. 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:06.360 You know, he's he's a you know, a Bell cow 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:07.960 type guy there. I mean, he's a guy that's going 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.480 to play that Mike spot. But Walker looks like the 0:10:10.480 --> 0:10:13.439 movable piece that I remember thinking Ryan Cheesy or could 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:15.440 have been in two thousand fourteen. She would have been 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:17.840 able to fall in tow the Packers. He's the athletic 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.120 type of linebacker that just when you've watched him so 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:24.760 many times Mike in these practices, just when the ball 0:10:24.800 --> 0:10:27.080 gets snapped, how quickly he gets out of his hips. 0:10:27.320 --> 0:10:30.040 There is so much athleticism in that guy's six ft 0:10:30.040 --> 0:10:31.600 four body, and I can't wait to see more of 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:35.199 the spring this summer. Excuse me? Yeah? Absolutely, Um, I 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:37.480 got some more questions for you here, West, but we'll 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:39.880 take care of we'll take care of the sponsor. 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Is there another position that you think falls 0:11:42.000 --> 0:11:44.960 under the category of having sort of a competition to 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.800 watch here as we head into training camp. It's a 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:52.280 good question. I think my natural answer to this would 0:11:52.280 --> 0:11:54.480 be the defensive line. Just based on everything you just 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.320 talked about. Where does a Davante Wyatt fit in? Where 0:11:57.360 --> 0:12:00.320 does a T. J. Slaton go? You know, the new 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.960 veteran gas deep as they've ever been during my time 0:12:02.960 --> 0:12:04.640 on the beat I wasn't here for two thousand and 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:07.080 ten with you, but they have a lot of options. 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.319 The competition though, when you talk about who's going to 0:12:10.440 --> 0:12:13.080 ultimately be lining up where, it has to be the 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:16.280 offensive line because when you look at the guard spots, 0:12:16.360 --> 0:12:19.120 John Runyon and Roy s Newman played more snaps than 0:12:19.200 --> 0:12:22.280 anybody last season. But they're gonna get a good push here, 0:12:22.360 --> 0:12:25.320 you know, with Sean Ryan coming in, with Zach Tom 0:12:25.360 --> 0:12:27.360 certainly you have all these you know, the Cole Van 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.160 Lantin's of the world that are gonna try to compete 0:12:29.160 --> 0:12:32.360 for that right tackle spot. The Packers have drafted three 0:12:32.440 --> 0:12:36.160 straight years three offensive linemen. That's never happened in the 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:38.800 modern era. You can go back to like the you know, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:41.920 the Jack Vanisi days and they had twenties seven rounds 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:45.679 or whatever. Yeah, that would happen, but not since nineteen So, 0:12:45.720 --> 0:12:47.840 I mean the amount of resources at the Packers and 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.600 Brian Guns have put into this offensive line, it shows 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.400 you one how seriously they take the competition factor into 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:57.200 how important it is to rebuild the depth on the line. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:13:01.319 Billy Turner's gone, Look his Patrick's gone. Those were two 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:03.880 of your most versatile guys and Elton Jenkins is still 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.600 not back yet, coming back from the a c L 0:13:05.640 --> 0:13:08.200 that he sustained later in the season. You're going to 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.440 need a backup center. Could that be Jake Hansen, Could 0:13:11.440 --> 0:13:13.720 it be a Zack Tom You're going to need guys 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.000 that are also pushing for the right tackle job, because 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:17.920 Josh Niman, as much as I think you and I 0:13:17.960 --> 0:13:20.360 have talked about that, the Packers want him to compete 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:23.880 for that spot as well. In a perfect world, David 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:27.120 Baker's back at left tackle, Josh Myers is there at center, 0:13:27.240 --> 0:13:29.480 and you let the rest of the pieces figure themselves out. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.840 And watching that through the one on ones, through the 0:13:32.840 --> 0:13:35.680 padded practices is going to be fascinating because as we 0:13:35.720 --> 0:13:38.600 saw last year, Mike, we watched Royce Newman work at 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.679 right tackle for most of the offseason program were two 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:44.120 weeks into training camp, and now he's positioned as the 0:13:44.160 --> 0:13:46.120 number one starting right guard right And that's what I 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:47.960 was going to say, and that's the reason my my 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.760 answer to this question also is the offensive line, because 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:56.280 having drafted three offensive lineman once again back in April, 0:13:57.320 --> 0:14:00.080 I can't help but ask the question, is some are 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:03.880 you gonna pull another Royce Newman. You know, is is 0:14:04.000 --> 0:14:07.040 Sean Ryan from this year's draft class gonna do what 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:10.200 Royce Newman did as a rookie draft pick last year. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:13.160 And suddenly halfway through training camp it's like, oh, he's 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.360 running with the ones every day, Like this guy is 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.040 putting himself in a position to earn a starting job 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.360 as a rookie. It could happen now. Obviously, the Packers 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.720 like their young players, you know when you're talking about 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.360 John Runyon, Royce Newman, Josh Niman, all of those guys. 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:31.840 But you just don't know, especially once the pads go on, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:34.640 because through the offseason program there's no pads, there's no 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:38.440 full contact. Once the pads go on and they start 0:14:38.480 --> 0:14:41.320 doing one on one pass rush, pass protection, you know 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.640 against those guys, uh, you know, the Kenny clarks and 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.760 and the Preston Smith's of the world. Right, and then 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.000 you get into the you get into the eleven on 0:14:51.080 --> 0:14:54.480 eleven and you know, the banging in the trenches is 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:58.200 pretty legit, even though they're not tackling guys to the ground. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:00.240 But but when the pads are on an it's a 0:15:00.360 --> 0:15:03.360 and and it's a full contact practice in that respect. 0:15:03.600 --> 0:15:06.160 That's when you find out about these offensive linemen and 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.400 and maybe it is a Sean Ryan or Zach Tom 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:11.800 that pulls a Royce Newman like. I think it's a 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:16.440 very intriguing thing to see just exactly maybe what you 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:18.640 know what develops you're going forward. And since you talked 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:20.280 a little bit more about the offensive line, just gonna 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:22.640 pivot very quickly back to the defensive line, because while 0:15:22.640 --> 0:15:25.960 it's a different type of competition, it's a healthy competition, 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.400 and that the more guys that step up, the deeper 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:30.239 they're going to be able to go with throw rotations. 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:33.320 Why does that matter? Because I feel like not only 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:35.520 having that gives you a better chance to keep guys 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.240 fresh and whatnot, I also think that's what really could 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:41.440 unleash Kenny Clark in this defense. The Packers have tried 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:44.920 to find ways to get more double teams off of him, 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:47.120 find ways to get him being able to kind of 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.240 get one on ones and recavac a little bit more 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:52.920 inside with Rashaan Gary and Preston Smith on the outsides 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.440 of another guy can step up in that capacity. Dean 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.040 Lawry coming off a career year, Jaren Reid coming in 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:00.840 and obviously you talked about with Whyatt. More of these 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.760 guys that can generate pressure, more guys can take pressure 0:16:03.840 --> 0:16:05.880 off of Kenny Clark. The more I think you're going 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:07.640 to see from him. It's a two time Pro Bowl 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:11.160 right now, that's finally coming to his prime at six 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:14.200 years old. The world is that young man's oyster. Yeah, 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.440 when you look at you look at this defensive line, 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.120 put him in whatever or do you want. But your 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:24.360 your main five guys, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, t J Slayton, 0:16:24.520 --> 0:16:27.480 jarn Reid, and then the high draft pick DeVante Wyatt. 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.880 Those are your five. Now that's about as deep a 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:33.680 five on the defensive line as I think the Packers 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:38.200 have had on paper, at least in in quite a while. Yeah, 0:16:38.240 --> 0:16:41.000 in this recent exactly since since since they went to 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:44.640 essentially a three four based defense. But what I think 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.760 will be interesting to watch is is you know who's 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.720 lining up where in certain packages, Who's you know, who's 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.320 going to have which which role and and uh, you know, 0:16:54.400 --> 0:16:57.240 for a guy like Whyatt, the young rookie, he might 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.200 be more you know, things might be more limited because 0:17:00.240 --> 0:17:02.200 they'll want to say, as a young player, okay, this 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:03.840 is what we want you to do. These are the 0:17:03.880 --> 0:17:06.560 packages you're going to play in and go for it, 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.159 and then maybe they expand right Whereas then you know 0:17:11.280 --> 0:17:14.200 a veteran guy like Jaren Reid coming in, Yes, he's new, 0:17:14.320 --> 0:17:16.440 he needs to get up to speed in the system, 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:18.080 but this is a guy who's been there, done that 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.840 in the NFL. And and as he told reporters last 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.360 week and I wrote about on the website, he feels like, Hey, 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:26.000 I'll play anywhere. Just tell me where to go, tell 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:27.760 me where you want me to line up, what my 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.280 assignment is, and and I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.639 get it done. And so how how these roles and 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.480 responsibilities get sorted out with those five top guys on 0:17:37.520 --> 0:17:39.800 the defensive line, I think is definitely a story. And 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.199 if you haven't a chance, ye be sure to go 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:43.840 to Packers dot com check out spot story on Jar 0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:45.840 and read a real fascinating look into the man and 0:17:45.880 --> 0:17:47.719 also the player what he could be for this defense 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.080 this season. The one thing I've been saying, I'm writing 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:52.680 it again an inbox this week, and maybe it's the 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.000 number ninety, you know, maybe I'm off based on this. 0:17:55.280 --> 0:17:57.720 He really does remind me from a body standpoint though 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.840 a lot of b J Raji, and when you look 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:01.880 at his track record both the ten and a half 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.000 SAX season and also some of the stuff he's done 0:18:04.000 --> 0:18:06.880 more recently as a run stuffer, he has that two 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:11.120 way kind of potential. And that's exactly why. It's exactly 0:18:11.119 --> 0:18:13.400 where Brian Gudacuns brought him in as a as a 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.840 as a veteran guy to to add to that group. 0:18:15.880 --> 0:18:18.760 And then obviously they targeted Wyatt in the in the 0:18:18.800 --> 0:18:21.800 first round of the drafts as a young guy. Alright, 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:28.439 so position groupings aside, is there another player to watch, 0:18:28.680 --> 0:18:31.920 like individual player to watch who's high on your list 0:18:31.960 --> 0:18:33.920 for when training camp rolls around. I think the guy 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.560 kept saying, and I'm why break president at this point 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.480 is a Mari Rodgers. I've written about him, We've talked 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.280 about him. But this is the dude who I just 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.800 felt like, more than a position that's attached to his name, 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.200 this is a guy that really could kind of crack 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.320 the code maybe with this offense. Matt Lafleur is an 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:57.760 incredibly multiple versatile scheme. We saw it from day one, 0:18:57.800 --> 0:18:59.120 what they were able to do out of the gate 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.040 in nineteen I know some people were very critical at 0:19:02.040 --> 0:19:05.119 that time about it. But reality was they won thirteen games, 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.400 and they protected the football and they moved it down 0:19:07.400 --> 0:19:09.640 the field. I think they probably have to get more 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:11.879 back towards some of that stuff and how do they 0:19:11.880 --> 0:19:13.800 do it in nineteen A lot of it was misdirection, 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:16.040 a lot of it was prestap motion, a lot of 0:19:16.080 --> 0:19:18.680 it was being able to utilize the skill sets of 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:22.000 the players that you have available to you. And you 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:24.240 gotta remember about to Mari Rodgers Man, this young man 0:19:24.920 --> 0:19:28.080