1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 1: Hi, everybody. Welcome to another edition of Packers Unscripted from 2 00:00:10,800 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Packers dot Com. I am Mike Spofford, joined as always 3 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,319 Speaker 1: by my trusted colleague Weston Hodkoits were coming to you 4 00:00:17,440 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: here from our studios at lambeau Field West. It's the 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: final week of O t A is the final week 6 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: of the off season program. This will actually be because 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,120 Speaker 1: you're headed to uh some golf courses later this week. 8 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,520 Speaker 1: Good for you, some some time with pah hod out 9 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:35,600 Speaker 1: on the links. That should be. That should be a 10 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 1: good time. But because of that, this will actually be 11 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: our last show until like the week, you know, a 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:45,920 Speaker 1: few days before training camp will come back and and 13 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,760 Speaker 1: uh and fire up Unscripted again. So because of that, 14 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 1: this this is what I want to do. And this 15 00:00:53,440 --> 00:00:55,640 Speaker 1: is a dangerous thing to do in the middle of June, 16 00:00:55,920 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: but we're actually going to We're actually going to sort 17 00:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: of preview train eating Camp, even though it's like it's 18 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: like six weeks away. I want to fire some questions 19 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: at you. Um, I'll provide my own answers to the 20 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: questions as well. But this is sort of like, let's 21 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 1: look ahead two based on what we've seen in the 22 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,480 Speaker 1: off season. So far since last season ended, the draft, 23 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: the O t A S, the mini camp, everything that's 24 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: gone on. So my first question to you with regard 25 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,119 Speaker 1: to training camp two is what is the first thing 26 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: you are going to look for at the first day 27 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: of practice in late July the receivers, Because for the 28 00:01:32,800 --> 00:01:36,520 Speaker 1: first time it's actually gonna matter. Everybody wanted to make 29 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: this about Aaron Rodgers is attendance in the off season program. 30 00:01:39,400 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: We wasn't here, he was here. It didn't matter. These 31 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: guys need to learn the playbook. And not only have 32 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:45,479 Speaker 1: they had a chance now for two months to learn 33 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: the playbook, They're gonna have a chance here with the 34 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: next six weeks to be able to pick this thing 35 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: up even more and make sure that they are ready. 36 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: The biggest line in the off season Mike. I know 37 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: it didn't come during a clutch situation in week twelve 38 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: or anything, but Roger's talking about how he prefers production 39 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: or potential, even though they have a ton of potential 40 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 1: right now. It's what can you do with that potential 41 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: is ultimately what's gonna matter. I'm writing about in our 42 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: Insider inbox for Tuesday. This is one of the big 43 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:15,240 Speaker 1: lines I feel is what the hallmark right now of 44 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: these receivers. The three rookies all came in and each 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: of them had made plays. They all had big days 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: in practice. Juwan Winfrey had some big moments again during 47 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: the offseason program. These guys have flashed with the opportunity. 48 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: But when you get to training camp, that's where you 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: need to stack it every single day. You need to 50 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: perform in those padded practices, you need to perform in 51 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: the preseason, and you've got to be healthy once you 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: get to the end of August. The Packers, no bones 53 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: about it, Mike, it's gonna be an Alan Lazard, Randall Cobb, 54 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:49,840 Speaker 1: Sammy Watkins kind of core there at the start. But 55 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: who's gonna be that young guy that comes on like 56 00:02:52,200 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Davante Adams did in two thousand fourteen. Who's gonna be 57 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: that young guy that makes a big play for this 58 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: football team down the stretch. That's where these guys have 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: to get to in this offense. So for me, for 60 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: the first time, that's where I feel you really can 61 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:06,360 Speaker 1: start looking at the receivers and trying to figure out 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: who's going to fit into that depth chart. Yeah, absolutely, 63 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: figuring out that depth chart as as training camp the 64 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: preseason goes along, We're gonna see those rookie draft picks 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: get a ton of snaps in the preseason games. You 66 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 1: know it's coming. Even if Aaron Rodgers is not going 67 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 1: to play in the preseason and it's going to be 68 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: the Jordan's Love Show in those three preseason games, He's 69 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: going to be thrown to Christian Watson and Romeo Dobbs 70 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: and Samari tou A and and uh you know, and 71 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: and uh you know, Jowan Winfrey and Malik Taylor and 72 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: those guys as well are are going to get those 73 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: opportunities as the competition there at that position really heats 74 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: up in August. My answer to that question, the first 75 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 1: thing I'm gonna look for on the first day of 76 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: practice is David Bactieri at left tackle when they when 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: they go to eleven on eleven. And I say that 78 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: not to set off like a bunch of alarm bells 79 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:57,960 Speaker 1: if he's not, but then what's gone on for the 80 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: last year and a half does start to be come 81 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 1: a bit of a concern. If on the first day 82 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 1: of training camp, when you're lining up for eleven on eleven, 83 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: if that left tackle that five time all pro left 84 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 1: tackle is not is not there, and there's there's some 85 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 1: reason that he's not ready to fully practice. So that's 86 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: gonna be the first thing that that I glance at, 87 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: because if Bok tr is not lining up at left 88 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: tackle at the start of training camp, then there's a 89 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: potential domino effect in terms of who's lining up where 90 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: at practice and where you know what the competition is 91 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:30,719 Speaker 1: going to be for this spot or that spot. So, 92 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: um so that's the first thing on my list at 93 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,120 Speaker 1: at day one of practice. My next question for you, 94 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: what do you feel will be the biggest overall storyline 95 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: in this training camp? And maybe that's the same answer 96 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: if it's the receivers, not necessarily, because I think a 97 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,360 Speaker 1: big storyline will be Jordan's love because he's going to 98 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: get a lot of work in the preseason. Last year, 99 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: you kind of you sort of forget, I mean, the 100 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: shoulder injury knocked him out of one of those preseason games. 101 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: We end up seeing a lot more Kirk Ben Kurt 102 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: than I think a lot of people are really expecting, 103 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: just be because of that. For that reason, so seeing 104 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: love and in the strides he makes in year three 105 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: is gonna be really telling this is the year where 106 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: you really did start to notice. Okay, Aaron Rodgers is 107 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: a good quarterback. I mean you heard Tom Clements talk 108 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: about it. That's for him and Joe Philbin were having 109 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: the discussions of you know, this guy we have behind five, 110 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: he may be better than some of these guys at 111 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: the Pro Bowl. I'm not saying Jordan's love needs to 112 00:05:22,120 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: be at that point, but I think it does show 113 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: you that this is where a guy is no longer 114 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: a rookie, is no longer a young player. He's going 115 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 1: to need to be able to guide this offense and 116 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: and show that kind of veteran sort of thumb on 117 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: the brewprint of how things go. And frankly, I'm excited 118 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 1: for it. Uh my personal feelings are watching him during 119 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: the offseason program. He does look a lot more sturdier 120 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 1: in the pocket. It seemed like he had more consistent practices. 121 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say he had that June's ninth practice that 122 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: he had back in one whereas like, holy crap, like 123 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: this guy looks like a top ten pick. I mean, 124 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: he's just slinging it around confidently, fast. But I felt 125 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:02,280 Speaker 1: like there were fewer ups and downs with his game. Now, 126 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: it's gonna be interesting watching it be more live. You know, 127 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:07,920 Speaker 1: they didn't do a lot of live reps. It didn't 128 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: feel like and when they did it was like a 129 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:12,840 Speaker 1: seven on seven sort of quasi ideal. So I feel 130 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: like Jordan's love will be a big storyline because as 131 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: much as you are preparing, you're trying to work out 132 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: some of these position battles. People love the quarterbacks. This 133 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: is a quarterback driven league, and I know there's still 134 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:24,479 Speaker 1: a lot of Packers fans out there that haven't seen 135 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 1: a lot of this guy yet because of the pandemic 136 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: in so uh that to me that that's gonna be 137 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: probably the driving force for this entire thing. Yeah, I 138 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: think that. I think the Jordan's love development, that whole 139 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: story is is definitely going to be front and center 140 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: throughout throughout training camp. He's going to take the vast 141 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: majority of the snaps in the preseason games because I 142 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: don't expect Aaron Rodgers to play at all in the preseason. 143 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 1: As we've talked before, he's taken the last preseason snap 144 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,720 Speaker 1: of his career. It's just not going to The Packers 145 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: aren't going to go down that road anymore. But um, 146 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: but Jordan's love. Jordan's love is the quarterback who needs 147 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: the reps. The that development time is going to be 148 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: so important for him. If I were to if I 149 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 1: were to pick another, what I think will be a 150 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 1: very big dominating storyline throughout training camp. I think it's 151 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 1: going to be watching quay Walker and DeVante why at 152 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: the two first round draft picks from George's defense, and 153 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 1: how quickly, how smoothly they can assimilate themselves into Joe 154 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: Berry's number one top unit. I mean, just to give people, 155 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 1: to give the fans out there a little bit for 156 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: those who wonder, like, Okay, when you guys go out 157 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: to watch practice, like what are you watching? Right? So 158 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: sometimes but this is how it works there. They're they're 159 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 1: individual periods, different drills and stuff, and you know, you 160 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: kind of pick out, Okay, I want to keep an 161 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: eye on this guy, see how this guy looks when 162 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: they get to what they call the team periods, which 163 00:07:56,320 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 1: is eleven on eleven. You and I both were pulling 164 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: out our notebooks and we're taking a look at the 165 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: first reps in eleven on eleven. Because the guys who 166 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 1: take the first reps are the guys who are who 167 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: are at the top of the depth chart at that 168 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 1: particular time. So we'll be watching, is you know, is 169 00:08:16,880 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Kay Walker lining up next to Deveandre Campbell with the 170 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: number one defense? Is Devonte Wyatt lining up next to 171 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 1: Kenny Clark in the number one defense? Now the Packers 172 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: have other players, whether you're talking Chris Barnes, Dean Lowry, 173 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: t J. Slayton, So there's always gonna be some rotation, 174 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 1: but we'll be watching. Okay, how often are those rookie 175 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: first round draft picks in there with the first unit? 176 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: And I think through the practices, through the preseason games, 177 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:48,560 Speaker 1: those guys are going to play in the preseason, not 178 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 1: necessarily with the Devondre Campbell's and Kenny Clarks of the world. 179 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 1: But that's the storyline on the defensive side for me, 180 00:08:56,280 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: is how quickly are those rookie first round draft picks 181 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: going to establish themselves and the role that they are 182 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: going to play on Joe Barry's unit in two Well, ultimately, 183 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: when you go back and look at some of these 184 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: past offseason programs, that's how we knew in two thousand 185 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: nineteen that Darnell Savage was gonna be a big part 186 00:09:13,360 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 1: of this thing. The Packers from the beginning of O. T. 187 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: A s had him out there with Adrian names that 188 00:09:17,720 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: is very rare. Like to give you a quick example 189 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: of that. None of the offensive lineman the Packers drafted 190 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: this year we're working with the first team units. They 191 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: had Colvan and Land in the sixth rounder from last year, 192 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: swapping with Yash and Iman at the two tackle positions 193 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,199 Speaker 1: with those they'd like to go. Usually typically with the 194 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: veteran players in those settings, but Kay Walker was a 195 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 1: guy that did get some run a little bit with 196 00:09:38,120 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: the defense, and I think there's a number of different 197 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: ways they're going to be able to utilize them. I 198 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: know a lot of people were talking about Chris Barnes 199 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: and what happens with Barnes now. I still think Barnes 200 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: is a part of this equation, but it's the different 201 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: ways and where you're gonna be lining up Walker that 202 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: makes it interesting how that that group is going to 203 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: come together. Walker is the X factor to me, just 204 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 1: because he gives this defense something that they really haven't 205 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,199 Speaker 1: add before. Devandra Campbell pretty much out of the same mold. 206 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: You know, he's he's a you know, a Bell cow 207 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 1: type guy there. I mean, he's a guy that's going 208 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: to play that Mike spot. But Walker looks like the 209 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,439 Speaker 1: movable piece that I remember thinking Ryan Cheesy or could 210 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 1: have been in two thousand fourteen. She would have been 211 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: able to fall in tow the Packers. He's the athletic 212 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: type of linebacker that just when you've watched him so 213 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: many times Mike in these practices, just when the ball 214 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: gets snapped, how quickly he gets out of his hips. 215 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: There is so much athleticism in that guy's six ft 216 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,600 Speaker 1: four body, and I can't wait to see more of 217 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: the spring this summer. Excuse me? Yeah? Absolutely, Um, I 218 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: got some more questions for you here, West, but we'll 219 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: take care of we'll take care of the sponsor. Don't 220 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: see that I don't forget here before before we sign 221 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,320 Speaker 1: off for a few weeks. 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All right, Well, you 238 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: already mentioned the wide receivers. As far as position competition 239 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:41,920 Speaker 1: and whatnot. Is there another position that you think falls 240 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: under the category of having sort of a competition to 241 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 1: watch here as we head into training camp. It's a 242 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: good question. I think my natural answer to this would 243 00:11:52,280 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: be the defensive line. Just based on everything you just 244 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: talked about. Where does a Davante Wyatt fit in? Where 245 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 1: does a T. J. Slaton go? You know, the new 246 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: veteran gas deep as they've ever been during my time 247 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:04,640 Speaker 1: on the beat I wasn't here for two thousand and 248 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: ten with you, but they have a lot of options. 249 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: The competition though, when you talk about who's going to 250 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: ultimately be lining up where, it has to be the 251 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 1: offensive line because when you look at the guard spots, 252 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: John Runyon and Roy s Newman played more snaps than 253 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: anybody last season. But they're gonna get a good push here, 254 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, with Sean Ryan coming in, with Zach Tom 255 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: certainly you have all these you know, the Cole Van 256 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Lantin's of the world that are gonna try to compete 257 00:12:29,160 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: for that right tackle spot. The Packers have drafted three 258 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: straight years three offensive linemen. That's never happened in the 259 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,800 Speaker 1: modern era. You can go back to like the you know, 260 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: the Jack Vanisi days and they had twenties seven rounds 261 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: or whatever. Yeah, that would happen, but not since nineteen So, 262 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,840 Speaker 1: I mean the amount of resources at the Packers and 263 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 1: Brian Guns have put into this offensive line, it shows 264 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: you one how seriously they take the competition factor into 265 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 1: how important it is to rebuild the depth on the line. 266 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 1: Billy Turner's gone, Look his Patrick's gone. Those were two 267 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: of your most versatile guys and Elton Jenkins is still 268 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: not back yet, coming back from the a c L 269 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: that he sustained later in the season. You're going to 270 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 1: need a backup center. Could that be Jake Hansen, Could 271 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: it be a Zack Tom You're going to need guys 272 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: that are also pushing for the right tackle job, because 273 00:13:16,280 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: Josh Niman, as much as I think you and I 274 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: have talked about that, the Packers want him to compete 275 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: for that spot as well. In a perfect world, David 276 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: Baker's back at left tackle, Josh Myers is there at center, 277 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: and you let the rest of the pieces figure themselves out. 278 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 1: And watching that through the one on ones, through the 279 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 1: padded practices is going to be fascinating because as we 280 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 1: saw last year, Mike, we watched Royce Newman work at 281 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,679 Speaker 1: right tackle for most of the offseason program were two 282 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: weeks into training camp, and now he's positioned as the 283 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: number one starting right guard right And that's what I 284 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:47,960 Speaker 1: was going to say, and that's the reason my my 285 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: answer to this question also is the offensive line, because 286 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: having drafted three offensive lineman once again back in April, 287 00:13:57,320 --> 00:14:00,080 Speaker 1: I can't help but ask the question, is some are 288 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 1: you gonna pull another Royce Newman. You know, is is 289 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 1: Sean Ryan from this year's draft class gonna do what 290 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,200 Speaker 1: Royce Newman did as a rookie draft pick last year. 291 00:14:10,440 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: And suddenly halfway through training camp it's like, oh, he's 292 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: running with the ones every day, Like this guy is 293 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: putting himself in a position to earn a starting job 294 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: as a rookie. It could happen now. Obviously, the Packers 295 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 1: like their young players, you know when you're talking about 296 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:27,360 Speaker 1: John Runyon, Royce Newman, Josh Niman, all of those guys. 297 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: But you just don't know, especially once the pads go on, 298 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: because through the offseason program there's no pads, there's no 299 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 1: full contact. Once the pads go on and they start 300 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: doing one on one pass rush, pass protection, you know 301 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: against those guys, uh, you know, the Kenny clarks and 302 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: and the Preston Smith's of the world. Right, and then 303 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,000 Speaker 1: you get into the you get into the eleven on 304 00:14:51,080 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: eleven and you know, the banging in the trenches is 305 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: pretty legit, even though they're not tackling guys to the ground. 306 00:14:58,280 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: But but when the pads are on an it's a 307 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: and and it's a full contact practice in that respect. 308 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: That's when you find out about these offensive linemen and 309 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 1: and maybe it is a Sean Ryan or Zach Tom 310 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: that pulls a Royce Newman like. I think it's a 311 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: very intriguing thing to see just exactly maybe what you 312 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: know what develops you're going forward. And since you talked 313 00:15:18,640 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the offensive line, just gonna 314 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: pivot very quickly back to the defensive line, because while 315 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: it's a different type of competition, it's a healthy competition, 316 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: and that the more guys that step up, the deeper 317 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,239 Speaker 1: they're going to be able to go with throw rotations. 318 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: Why does that matter? Because I feel like not only 319 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: having that gives you a better chance to keep guys 320 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: fresh and whatnot, I also think that's what really could 321 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 1: unleash Kenny Clark in this defense. The Packers have tried 322 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: to find ways to get more double teams off of him, 323 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: find ways to get him being able to kind of 324 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: get one on ones and recavac a little bit more 325 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: inside with Rashaan Gary and Preston Smith on the outsides 326 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 1: of another guy can step up in that capacity. Dean 327 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,040 Speaker 1: Lawry coming off a career year, Jaren Reid coming in 328 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: and obviously you talked about with Whyatt. More of these 329 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: guys that can generate pressure, more guys can take pressure 330 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: off of Kenny Clark. The more I think you're going 331 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:07,640 Speaker 1: to see from him. It's a two time Pro Bowl 332 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 1: right now, that's finally coming to his prime at six 333 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: years old. The world is that young man's oyster. Yeah, 334 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: when you look at you look at this defensive line, 335 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,120 Speaker 1: put him in whatever or do you want. But your 336 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:24,360 Speaker 1: your main five guys, Kenny Clark, Dean Lowry, t J Slayton, 337 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: jarn Reid, and then the high draft pick DeVante Wyatt. 338 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: Those are your five. Now that's about as deep a 339 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: five on the defensive line as I think the Packers 340 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: have had on paper, at least in in quite a while. Yeah, 341 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: in this recent exactly since since since they went to 342 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 1: essentially a three four based defense. But what I think 343 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: will be interesting to watch is is you know who's 344 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 1: lining up where in certain packages, Who's you know, who's 345 00:16:50,760 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 1: going to have which which role and and uh, you know, 346 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: for a guy like Whyatt, the young rookie, he might 347 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: be more you know, things might be more limited because 348 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: they'll want to say, as a young player, okay, this 349 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:03,840 Speaker 1: is what we want you to do. These are the 350 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,560 Speaker 1: packages you're going to play in and go for it, 351 00:17:06,600 --> 00:17:11,159 Speaker 1: and then maybe they expand right Whereas then you know 352 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:14,200 Speaker 1: a veteran guy like Jaren Reid coming in, Yes, he's new, 353 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,440 Speaker 1: he needs to get up to speed in the system, 354 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: but this is a guy who's been there, done that 355 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL. And and as he told reporters last 356 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,360 Speaker 1: week and I wrote about on the website, he feels like, Hey, 357 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,000 Speaker 1: I'll play anywhere. Just tell me where to go, tell 358 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:27,760 Speaker 1: me where you want me to line up, what my 359 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 1: assignment is, and and I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go 360 00:17:30,280 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: get it done. And so how how these roles and 361 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: responsibilities get sorted out with those five top guys on 362 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:39,800 Speaker 1: the defensive line, I think is definitely a story. And 363 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:41,199 Speaker 1: if you haven't a chance, ye be sure to go 364 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: to Packers dot com check out spot story on Jar 365 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 1: and read a real fascinating look into the man and 366 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,719 Speaker 1: also the player what he could be for this defense 367 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: this season. The one thing I've been saying, I'm writing 368 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: it again an inbox this week, and maybe it's the 369 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: number ninety, you know, maybe I'm off based on this. 370 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 1: He really does remind me from a body standpoint though 371 00:17:57,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 1: a lot of b J Raji, and when you look 372 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: at his track record both the ten and a half 373 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,000 Speaker 1: SAX season and also some of the stuff he's done 374 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 1: more recently as a run stuffer, he has that two 375 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:11,120 Speaker 1: way kind of potential. And that's exactly why. It's exactly 376 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: where Brian Gudacuns brought him in as a as a 377 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: as a veteran guy to to add to that group. 378 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: And then obviously they targeted Wyatt in the in the 379 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 1: first round of the drafts as a young guy. Alright, 380 00:18:21,840 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 1: so position groupings aside, is there another player to watch, 381 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 1: like individual player to watch who's high on your list 382 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,920 Speaker 1: for when training camp rolls around. I think the guy 383 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 1: kept saying, and I'm why break president at this point 384 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: is a Mari Rodgers. I've written about him, We've talked 385 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 1: about him. But this is the dude who I just 386 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: felt like, more than a position that's attached to his name, 387 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: this is a guy that really could kind of crack 388 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: the code maybe with this offense. Matt Lafleur is an 389 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 1: incredibly multiple versatile scheme. We saw it from day one, 390 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 1: what they were able to do out of the gate 391 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: in nineteen I know some people were very critical at 392 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 1: that time about it. But reality was they won thirteen games, 393 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: and they protected the football and they moved it down 394 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 1: the field. I think they probably have to get more 395 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: back towards some of that stuff and how do they 396 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: do it in nineteen A lot of it was misdirection, 397 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot of it was prestap motion, a lot of 398 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: it was being able to utilize the skill sets of 399 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: the players that you have available to you. And you 400 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,240 Speaker 1: gotta remember about to Mari Rodgers Man, this young man 401 00:19:24,920 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: has been around football his entire life. You know, his 402 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 1: his dad was an accomplished football player. He went to 403 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 1: Clemson in one and then was a thousand yard receiver 404 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: his last season there. He doesn't like what happened last year. 405 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: That was a bad taste in his mouth, what happened 406 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 1: being only playing as little as he did offensively and 407 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: having some miscuse there on the returns. He has coming 408 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: back with something to prove this year. And I know 409 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: everybody gets bigger, stronger, faster, smarter in the offseason. It's 410 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: one of the biggest, you know, cliches that always gets 411 00:19:54,680 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 1: beaten into the mud. But you and I watched him 412 00:19:56,920 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: in practice. This guy does look leaner and he does 413 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: look more confident. Yeah, he has to put that to work, 414 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: the same as these young rookies dead you have to 415 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: be able to do it in August. But if if 416 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: things really start to click for him with the pre 417 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: stap motions, with some of the stuff you can do 418 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,600 Speaker 1: with him on the outside, with getting an open space, 419 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:16,679 Speaker 1: he has a body type and a skill set that 420 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:20,439 Speaker 1: is even replaceable in this offense right now. And I 421 00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: just feel like he is the guy that the more 422 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: they can get out of a Mari Rodgers, I think, 423 00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: the better this offense is going to be in. Yeah, 424 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna stick with the same position there, and uh, 425 00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: the a guy who's high on my list in terms 426 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 1: of a player to watch it. And I'll be honest, 427 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 1: I'll preface this by saying it may even be more 428 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: so a player to watch come week one necessarily than 429 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 1: training camp. But it's al Lazard. And I say that 430 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: because and I'm not saying that just because you know, 431 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,200 Speaker 1: he wasn't here for O t A S and mini 432 00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: camp and you know, the restricted free agent tender, and 433 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 1: there's some news floating around out there at the time 434 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: that we're taping this, but all of that aside. Last 435 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: week at mini camp, Aaron Rodgers came right out and 436 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:05,960 Speaker 1: said it, Alan's Alan Lazard has a chance to be 437 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: a number one receiver in this offense, be a number 438 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: one receiver on an NFL team for the first time 439 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: in his career. How does he respond to that? Right? Um? 440 00:21:14,640 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: And and yes, he's he's a leader. He's a guy 441 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: who's done all of the dirty work, and I think 442 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:22,560 Speaker 1: he's going to continue to do those kinds of things. 443 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:25,679 Speaker 1: But in terms of the opportunities that he's going to 444 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: be given in this offense by an offensive coordinator, a 445 00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:33,400 Speaker 1: play caller, a quarterback who who trust him and they 446 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,120 Speaker 1: know what he can do, then what is he going 447 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 1: to do when those opportunities ramp up? Right? And again, 448 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 1: that's why I say maybe it's more so watching him 449 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: starting in week one because he's going to be such 450 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: a big part of this passing offense, more so than 451 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:47,440 Speaker 1: training camp. But I'm gonna watch. I really want to 452 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: watch him in the eleven on elevens during training camp 453 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: as well to see what opportunities go his way. What 454 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: is drawn up for Alan Lazart Alan Lazard is the 455 00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: best story. He is one that is going to go 456 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,440 Speaker 1: down for the ages for the Packers because he wasn't 457 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: just an undrafted free agent. He wasn't even the Packers 458 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 1: undrafted free right right. He was Jacksonville's and Brian Goodkunst 459 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: late in that season being able to pick him up 460 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,199 Speaker 1: and sign him and sort of steal him away, and 461 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: what otherwise was a lost twenty eighteen campaign ended up 462 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: paying big dividends for Jim down the line. Now, the 463 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,880 Speaker 1: big question for Alan is can you go from being 464 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: a really good story to being a really really good 465 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,840 Speaker 1: NFL receiver. He's been a great fit for this offense. 466 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: He's had some big moments, but whether it was with 467 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the core muscle injury or just the opportunities that were 468 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: going with Davante Adams, he was that secondary option. He's 469 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: going to be driving the bus here earlier this season. 470 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: He's the He's the guy that has the biggest known 471 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: commodity for Rogers that's also in the prime of his 472 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 1: career in a in a in a contract hither two 473 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: as a guy who has the one year restricted free 474 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: agent tender looking to hit unrestricted free agency after one 475 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: more season. Career highs of roughly five yards eight touchdowns, 476 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,440 Speaker 1: he has a chance to boot those career high single 477 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: season career high numbers significantly this year, and then you know, 478 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: enter free agency that with with with the chance to 479 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 1: land a huge contract. With the way receivers are getting 480 00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: paid in this in this league, all of that is, 481 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: all of that is now part of his story and 482 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: part of his situation that is going to be watched 483 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,639 Speaker 1: U from the beginning here and I could I could 484 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: not care less what the scouting reports said coming out 485 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: of Iowa State. I couldn't matter what time was, I 486 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,600 Speaker 1: couldn't care about any of that stuff. You have a 487 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,600 Speaker 1: six ft five tur and twenty pound receiver that has 488 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: found ways to win his routes in the NFL. Oh 489 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: and by the way, at every level of football this 490 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,600 Speaker 1: guy has played, he has succeeded. He's the all time 491 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 1: leading receiver at Iowa State. If you throw out all 492 00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: the stuff where people overthink these things were over baked 493 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 1: the potato, everything points to Alan Lazar being a productive 494 00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: franchise type receiver and now he has the opportunity to 495 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,400 Speaker 1: prove it. I thought you were going to say over 496 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 1: bake the cake, and then you threw potato in there. Oh. 497 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:05,320 Speaker 1: I never go with that I never go with the 498 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: real cliches, Mike, I always gotta throw a little bit 499 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,879 Speaker 1: of a spinoff. You're always keeping me on my toes 500 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 1: west always, all right. Last one I have for you, 501 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: who is the player that we're not talking about, that 502 00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:24,639 Speaker 1: no one's talking about that maybe just maybe come middle 503 00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: of training camp, end of the preseason games, that we 504 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: might be talking about UM in terms of whether it's 505 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: somebody who's going to be a surprise to make the 506 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 1: roster or um carving out a role on this team 507 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: that maybe we didn't envision, didn't expect. Is there anybody 508 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,200 Speaker 1: It's kind of a tough question, especially in the middle 509 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: of June, but is there anybody that comes to mind 510 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: for you? Well, I appreciate you gave me about twelve 511 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: seconds to think about that. I was I was buying. UM. 512 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,919 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put this one out there, and it's not 513 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: necessarily answer to your question, but I think we need 514 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: to realize what's happening and Green Bay and A. J. 515 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: Dillon is at a point now where this guy, to me, 516 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: reminds me a lot of you know, where another certain 517 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 1: running back was at when Matt la Fleur got into 518 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Tennessee a number of years ago, not comparing the two. 519 00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 1: That's why I'm not saying his name, but a J. 520 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: Dillon has been on the come up here the last 521 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: two years. Last year was a huge opportunity for him, 522 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,400 Speaker 1: and I thought you saw what happened when he wasn't 523 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: available in that game against San Francisco having a real 524 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,400 Speaker 1: hard time stopping a J. Dillon before he went out 525 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: with a rib injury. And I feel like, you know, 526 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: it may not be in the preseason games, this may 527 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: only be in training camp, but just getting a look 528 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,159 Speaker 1: at him the spring and uh, you know, seeing the 529 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: photos that Evan Siegel happened to take at the softball 530 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,719 Speaker 1: game on Sunday, My goodness, this guy is a mack truck. 531 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: And I just feel like we'll see what it looks like. 532 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: We'll see how much him and Aaron Jones around the 533 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: field together. We don't know, but when you go into 534 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: this season, as much as we talked about Lazard and 535 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 1: this is a big year for him, Aaron Jones is 536 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: a Pro Bowl running back. A J. Dillon was the 537 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:11,120 Speaker 1: leading rusher for this team last season. I just feel like, 538 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: for as much as people want to dog on this 539 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,359 Speaker 1: offense and what the identity is going to be. You 540 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: have two running backs that are staring you in the 541 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 1: face saying, hey, we're elite guys. Yes there's Aaron Rodgers, 542 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: and yes Rogers will find ways to move the ball 543 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: down field with his arm. But I just feel like A. J. 544 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: Dillon is the catalyst here. He is the key they 545 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: can get this running game going early in the season. 546 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I think all the other piece has fallen place from there. Yeah, absolutely, 547 00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: I think I think that is Uh. I think that's 548 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:44,040 Speaker 1: definitely something that we're going to be talking about as 549 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: as we get towards Week one. A guy that I 550 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: was going to mention as the as My answer to 551 00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,680 Speaker 1: this question is probably probably doesn't count because I was 552 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,639 Speaker 1: going to say, tighten Tyler Davis. But you wrote a 553 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 1: feature story on Titan Davis recently, so I can we 554 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: can't really say like nobody's been talking about him because 555 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: I didn't say Tyler Davis. For that reason, I'm like that, 556 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 1: and that's why I say, like, it's not that's not 557 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: fair for me to say that either, because you did 558 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: write a story at the at the I believe it 559 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 1: was the first week of O T I'm gonna shove 560 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,560 Speaker 1: Tyler Davis down your throat and then I'm gonna tell 561 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: you that nobody's talking right. Yeah, so that so that 562 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,719 Speaker 1: doesn't count. But so so here's my answer. You know, 563 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: looking at looking at the whole year one to year 564 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: two thing that we talked about, right where guys make 565 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,680 Speaker 1: the big jump, they get more accustomed to the NFL game, 566 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: They start to they start to find their way and 567 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:38,480 Speaker 1: feel their way a little bit more. Right. I look 568 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: at the draft class from last year, It's like, hey, 569 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,359 Speaker 1: we we saw what Eric Stokes can do. We know 570 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: what Josh Myers can do. We already talked about Amari 571 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,399 Speaker 1: Rodgers and and uh and where things might be going 572 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: with him. Royce Newman ended up ended up being a starter. 573 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: So I start to kind of fall on t J. Slate, 574 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: the fifth round defensive lineman, the fifth round draft pick 575 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: from from one, and we had talked about, you know, 576 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: those those top five guys, and I just wonder if 577 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,640 Speaker 1: this is a young man, because nobody has really been 578 00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: talking about him at all. He did get you know, 579 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,639 Speaker 1: he was taking a lot of number one reps through O. T. A. S. 580 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: Because Dean Lowry was was was sitting out with with 581 00:28:20,840 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: an undisclosed injury. But I just wonder what kind of 582 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,120 Speaker 1: a role t J. Slayton might carve out for himself 583 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 1: here in year two. We when we asked, anytime we 584 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:37,439 Speaker 1: asked Jerry Montgomery about t J. Slayton, it's always like 585 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: the answer is something along the lines of, there's so 586 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,640 Speaker 1: much he really likes about what this young man can do, 587 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: but he just wants to see it consistently. It can't 588 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: come and go all the time, right, And it's sort 589 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: of through his rookie year, it sort of came and 590 00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: went um at different times. If t J. Slayton figures 591 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 1: out sort of that that consistency thing and his game 592 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: levels out of little bit, he just might be a 593 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: guy in that in that group of five on the 594 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: defensive line, that top five on the defensive line that 595 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:08,400 Speaker 1: we start seeing on the field a bit more. I'm 596 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 1: just throwing it out, and it's why you saw a 597 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: tire Lancaster as much as he did the last four years, Tyler, 598 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,560 Speaker 1: God bless him. He's gotten every bit of ability out 599 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,200 Speaker 1: of his body. And that's by being disciplined. It's by 600 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: being consistent. You know. He was an undrafted free agent 601 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 1: out of Northwestern I think a few people would have 602 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: saw him going into year five now right, just based 603 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: on the law of averages. But he ended up being 604 00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 1: playing a big role for this for this defense, even 605 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: if he wasn't maybe necessarily considered a starter, but he 606 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: played so many snaps because whether it was injuries or opportunity, 607 00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 1: the guy was in there. That's what they need from 608 00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: t J. Slayton now, because something's gonna happen at some 609 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 1: point this season, whether it be Read Clark, Lowry Wyatt, 610 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: somebody is gonna be out for a minute, and they're 611 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,360 Speaker 1: gonna need someone to step up in slating. At six 612 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,160 Speaker 1: ft five three and thirty pounds, he has as much 613 00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 1: athleticism in that body as I've seen from any defensive 614 00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: lineman that has come through Green Bay during my time here. 615 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: He's a very He's a very intriguing prospect. There's no 616 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: There's no question about it. And I know he's not 617 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: a rookie, but I still call him a prospect because 618 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: he hasn't because he hasn't quite found his way yet. 619 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: But but the but I think the opportunity may be 620 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: there for and I remember talking to his position coach 621 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,480 Speaker 1: at Florida saying you know, we really were hoping to 622 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,320 Speaker 1: get him back one more year, but obviously t J 623 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 1: felt like it was the right time for him, and 624 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 1: I think based on what he did last season, he 625 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: proved he can play at this level. If I can 626 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: just do this to Mike, I'll throw this in there 627 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: because obviously A. J. Dillon is a name that everybody 628 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: knows about. But even though my my points still stands, 629 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: the other guy I'll mention quickly is Sean Davis because 630 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: when you're looking at the safety position, that's been a 631 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: big spot. The number three safeties played a lot in 632 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 1: this defense. Yeah, we talked a bit about this on 633 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: our last show, kind of where you know, where some 634 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: of those those guys who are sort of next on 635 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: the depth chart, you know here at the end of 636 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: the spring. We'll see if that carries over to the 637 00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:52,880 Speaker 1: start of training because if they want to move around 638 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: in in you know, an Adrian Amos or Darnell Savage, 639 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 1: they need someone else to help fill in the back end. Davis, 640 00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: despite there being a you know to draft picks and 641 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: Vernon Scott and also you know Carpenter coming in and 642 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 1: his gains being back, this guy is the one that's 643 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: in that spot, and I think so often, Mike, we 644 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 1: could talk about guys coming off the practice squad that 645 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: could sign mid season, and fans really don't know who 646 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 1: those guys are. Sean Davis was a draft pick. He 647 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:20,760 Speaker 1: was drafted in the National Football like fifth round pick 648 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,239 Speaker 1: a year ago. So like this guy has, you know, 649 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,680 Speaker 1: some credentials to him. It's just that Packer fans don't 650 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 1: know who he is. And I think that's a guy 651 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: that again, when you're talking about players who are going 652 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: to play a lot in the preseason lot and training camp, 653 00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: you know it's a tight competition there at safety, and 654 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:35,960 Speaker 1: he's right now probably the one right at the front 655 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: of the classroom and that and that depth tart guy, 656 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: so to speak. At cornerback, Keyshaan Nixon, the um, the 657 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: veteran free agent acquisition. We're gonna talk about him a lot. 658 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna see him a lot on special teams. But 659 00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: he's also he's also going to be part of potentially 660 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: part of the Dime defense, one of the dime packages 661 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: six dB packages that that Joe Barry is going to have. 662 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,320 Speaker 1: That's another guy. Haven't talked about him a whole heck 663 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,840 Speaker 1: of a lot but based on what we saw when 664 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: the defense was on the field in the mini camp 665 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: with the eleven on eleven, those are two guys that 666 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: are sort of the next guy up right behind all 667 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,160 Speaker 1: the main guys that that we've been talking and you 668 00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 1: can tell the Packers Packers think something that Nixon. It's 669 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: not like Rich Bessacci brought him into play special teams 670 00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: in Bessacci is sitting there going, yeah, throw him in 671 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: at the slot too, That's not the way it works. 672 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280 Speaker 1: But obviously Joe Barry in the defensive coaches Jerry Great, 673 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: they're seeing something there with that guy. And as we 674 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,160 Speaker 1: talked about before, he has some size to him, and 675 00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: you know he's not a small guy in terms of 676 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,080 Speaker 1: how he's built. So another guy. I'm just excited to see, 677 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, how those things fall into place, because certainly 678 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: with some of these rotations inside, there's a lot more 679 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,800 Speaker 1: known you know, production there on the outside as opposed 680 00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: to inside. With this defense right now, yeah, no question 681 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: about Well, with that, we will call it a rap 682 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,520 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. We will be back 683 00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: a few days before the start of training camp and 684 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,240 Speaker 1: we will crank this all up again. There is one 685 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:03,520 Speaker 1: more week of O t A S here before the 686 00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: close of the off season program. So we got a 687 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,120 Speaker 1: lot of coverage on the website packers dot com, lots 688 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: of stories, lots of info all that be sure to 689 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,720 Speaker 1: check it out, but for now for WES, I am Mike. 690 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: Thank you for tuning in everybody, and we will see 691 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: you next time.