1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:03,079 Speaker 1: Good morning. 2 00:00:03,080 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 2: I'm Nathan Hager and I'm Karen Moscow. Here are the 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: stories we're following today. 4 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 3: Bank earnings resumed this morning with Morgan Stanley and Bank 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 3: of America set to report. That's after mixed results from 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 3: lenders last week. We get a preview from Bloomberg Intelligence 7 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:19,000 Speaker 3: senior analyst Alison Williams. 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 4: Net interest income is going to be the key variable 9 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 4: that we're going to be looking at for Bank of America, 10 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 4: and that's after we saw upside to both the quarterly 11 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 4: numbers as well as guidance on that particular line items 12 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 4: from some of the biggest banks last week. Bank of 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:38,240 Speaker 4: America should get some benefit from the card loans where 14 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:42,400 Speaker 4: we've saw some good growth. They do have some exposure there. However, 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 4: weakness on the commercial and industrial side could be a negative. 16 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 4: As for Morgan Stanley, the deposit costs are a factor 17 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 4: for them, But really the bigger picture is going to 18 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 4: be on the trading and fee side of things, just 19 00:00:55,680 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 4: because that tends to be a little bit more volatile. 20 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 4: Equity trading is a week spot this quarter. Fees are studying, 21 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: but they're setting at pre pandemic levels. Are there some 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 4: signs of hope going into the second half or will 23 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 4: that be pushed out till twenty twenty four. 24 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 3: Allison Williams with Bloomberg Intelligence says flows for June could 25 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 3: be key for Morgan Stanley. The bank saw those steady 26 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 3: in May after seasonal outflows in April. 27 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 2: Meantime, Nathan wall Street banks will face stiffer rules on 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: mortgage capital than their global peers. Bloomberg News has learned 29 00:01:26,680 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: the change is part of a sweeping overhaul due to 30 00:01:29,240 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 2: be unveiled by regulators at the end of this month. 31 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 2: Bloomberg's Katanga Johnson breaks down the changes. 32 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 5: What this measure will require is for banks to put 33 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 5: more capital aside to how boffer against any potential defaults 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 5: or losses. And while there are certain standards that globally 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 5: that banks a ball flights as well be imposed to 36 00:01:49,080 --> 00:01:50,720 Speaker 5: the US centers scoch just a little bit. 37 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: Beyond, and Bloomberg's Katanga Johnson says the FDI SEE, the 38 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 2: FED and the Office of the Controller of the Currency 39 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:00,200 Speaker 2: are declining to comment on the move. Where told, the 40 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: regulators are likely to unveil the changes on July twenty seventh. 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: Well, the economy is going to be in focus as well. 42 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 3: This morning, Karen. When we get retail sales data for June, 43 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 3: economists forecast a solid half percent gain. We get more 44 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 3: from Bloomberg Economics correspondent Michael McKee. 45 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 6: Americans likely spent more during June as auto sales at 46 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 6: other discretionary purchases rose, helping boost sales and increase in 47 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 6: consumer sentiment, brought on in part by lower gasoline prices. 48 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 6: Retail sales are calculated on a dollar basis, so gas 49 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 6: will be a drag on the numbers, but it means 50 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 6: there was more available to spend on other things. June 51 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 6: is usually a good month at outdoor and gardening stores, 52 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 6: and home remodeling has been relatively strong. Inflation's contribution to 53 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,960 Speaker 6: the data is shrinking, so the headline numbers will give 54 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 6: a little clearer picture of the consumer economy. Good numbers 55 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 6: should lift markets as the outlook tilts more towards a 56 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 6: soft landing. Michael McKee, Bloomberg Daybreak. 57 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: All right, Michael, thank you. While turning to geopolitics now, 58 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,279 Speaker 2: tensions between the US and China continue to take center stage. 59 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: We're learning the US plans to limit investments in ships, 60 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 2: AI and quantum computing in China likely by next year. 61 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: At the same time, though the scope OFO'SE limits is 62 00:03:13,280 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 2: being cut back. Bloomberg's Amy Morris has details from Washington. 63 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 7: The Biden administration's plans to restrict investments in China will 64 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 7: be narrowly focused on cutting edge technology, only new investments, 65 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 7: and likely won't take effect until next year. Treasury Secretary 66 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,519 Speaker 7: Janet Yellen tell's Bloomberg the restrictions are narrowly targeted. 67 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 8: They would focus on a few sectors, in particular semiconductor's, 68 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 8: quantum computing, and artificial intelligence. 69 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 7: This is part of the administration's effort to limit China's 70 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 7: capabilities in developing next gen tech, but the original scale 71 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 7: of the program has been cut back to include only 72 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 7: new investments and not the biotech and energy sectors, sources 73 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 7: tell Bloomberg. Officials won a proposal by the end of 74 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 7: next month. In Washington, I may me Morris Bloomy daybreak. 75 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 3: All right, a me thank you. While the Whitehouse looks 76 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 3: to restrict investment in China, it's also looking for common 77 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: ground with Beijing on climate change. Special Climate Envoy John 78 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: Kerry met today with China's Premier League Kiang. Negotiations are 79 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 3: aimed at a series of issues, including global climate targets, 80 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: methane abatement, and the use of coal fired power. 81 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,080 Speaker 2: And turning to corporate news now, Nathan, it could take 82 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: a little more time for Microsoft to close its takeover 83 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: off Activision. The original deadline for the sixty nine billion 84 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 2: dollar deal was today. The companies are still waiting for 85 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 2: final regulatory approvals, including a key one in the UK. 86 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: The meantime, big tech more broadly has been on a 87 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 3: tear Karen. The Nasdaq one hundred has gained forty three 88 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,799 Speaker 3: percent this year. That has some on Wall Street worried 89 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 3: about a pullback, including Arc Investment Management CEO Kathy Wood. 90 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 3: She tells us notes of caution are popping up in 91 00:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,560 Speaker 3: equity markets. 92 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 8: You know what's interesting is to see funds having nice 93 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 8: moves and flows not follow I think there's a wall 94 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 8: of worry up out there. It is about further interest 95 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 8: rate increases. What's going to break next? It's about a 96 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 8: hard landing. 97 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: Kathy Wood says she's still focused on growth tied to 98 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,880 Speaker 3: artificial intelligence. She's buying shares of companies that could benefit 99 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:18,480 Speaker 3: from the technology. Stay tuned for more of our interview 100 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: with the Ark Investment CEO. It's coming up shortly on 101 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 3: Bloomberg Daybreak. 102 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 2: Well, despite those concerns from Kathy Wood and Nathan, investors 103 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 2: are bullet shawn tech and they expect a soft landing 104 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 2: for the US economy. Those are the findings of Bank 105 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 2: of America's latest global survey and show sixty eight percent 106 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 2: of fund managers expect an economic slow down without a recession, 107 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,080 Speaker 2: and being long on big tech stocks top the list 108 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:43,200 Speaker 2: of most crowded trades in the survey. And this is Bloomberg. 109 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: Time now to take a look at some of the 110 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 3: other stories making news in New York and around the world. 111 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:53,039 Speaker 3: For that were joined by Bloomberg's Michael Barr. 112 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 9: Good morning, Michael, Good morning, Nathan. To Florida judge who 113 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 9: issued accord ruling last year that critics said was unduly 114 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,039 Speaker 9: fait favorable to former President Donald Trump is set to 115 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 9: preside over the first pre trial conference in his landmark 116 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 9: criminal case concerning the willful retention of classified documents. Prosecutors 117 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 9: and defense lawyers are scheduled to appear today before US 118 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 9: District Judge Ellen Kennon. They will discuss the rules and 119 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,359 Speaker 9: procedures that will govern how classified evidence is used in 120 00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 9: the case. Meanwhile, Donald Trump has suffered another legal defeat, 121 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 9: Bloomberg said. Baxter reports, this one in Georgia. 122 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 10: Trumpet attempted to have the election probe stopped and that 123 00:06:32,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 10: Georgia Supreme Court said no, the decision unanimous. An announcement 124 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 10: from Fulton County District Attorney Fanny Willis is expected soon 125 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 10: to announce whether a grand jury has brought indictments in 126 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 10: the case. Trump's attorneys have argued that Georgia's special grand 127 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:53,240 Speaker 10: jury process is generally unconstitutional and that the DA has 128 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 10: been permitted to turn the twenty twenty election probe into 129 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 10: quote a Jerry rigged investigative weapon. Quote in San Francisco, 130 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 10: I'm at Baxter Bloomberg daybreak. 131 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 9: House, Democrats introduced a resolution to censure Republican Congressman George 132 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:12,200 Speaker 9: Santos of New York. Fellow New York Representative Richie Turres, 133 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 9: a Democrat, says Santos quote repeatedly lied to voters in 134 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:17,160 Speaker 9: his district. 135 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 6: The breadth and depth of his deception is so staggering 136 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 6: that it cries out for congressional punishment. 137 00:07:25,120 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 9: Congressman Tourist says, after seven months of delay by the House, 138 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 9: Republicans doing nothing is no longer an option. Phoenix has 139 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 9: set to break a record today with heat. Phoenix tiede 140 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,559 Speaker 9: a record yesterday of eighteen straight days of one hundred 141 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 9: ten degrees or higher, and the forecast is for it 142 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 9: to be one hundred and seventeen degrees every day through 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 9: the end of the week. Hollywood's historic double strike continues 144 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 9: as actors have joined writers on the picket line. Entertainment 145 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 9: attorney Jonathan Handel says the studios and unions aren't anywhere 146 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 9: close to an agreement. 147 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 11: I have a fear that there may be nothing in 148 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 11: the current dynamic that will drive the parties back to 149 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 11: the table until the. 150 00:08:06,600 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 9: Oscars actors are demanding higher pay and AI protections. Global 151 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 9: News twenty four hours a day, powered by more than 152 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,680 Speaker 9: twenty seven hundred journalists and analysts in over one hundred 153 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 9: and twenty countries. I'm Michael Bard. This is Bloomberg, Nathan. 154 00:08:20,880 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 1: Thank you, Michael. 155 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 12: Time now for the Bloomberg Sports update. Here's John Stanshout. 156 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 12: Thanks Nathan. The losses just mounting for the Yankees. Seven 157 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 12: in the last nine, sixteen in the last twenty seven. 158 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 12: The Yankees are in sole possession of last place this 159 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 12: late in the season for the first time since nineteen 160 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 12: ninety In Anahe'm just like the day before. In Denver, 161 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 12: Yanks had a late three to one leads seventh inning. 162 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 12: Joe Hey Otani up as the Tine run. 163 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 13: Here's the pin the Swineys and drives them all deep 164 00:08:50,880 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 13: out in their left center field. 165 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 9: It's south by. 166 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 14: The wall. 167 00:08:55,320 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 13: Here, Hey, get to Johnny and Earnstone and tonight on 168 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 13: this Monday night is showtime. 169 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 9: Hey LAA. 170 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 15: Angels would then score tenth inning to win four to three. 171 00:09:09,320 --> 00:09:12,840 Speaker 15: The Yanks truckout seventeen times. John Carlos Stan Anthony Rizzo 172 00:09:12,840 --> 00:09:16,000 Speaker 15: combined zero for ten, striking out five times. Yanks got 173 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 15: a good start from Luis seven Arena. Then Michael King 174 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 15: came in, got only two outs, walk three, gave up 175 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 15: that O'tani homer, which was his thirty fifth. He's on 176 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 15: pace to hit sixty red Sox won seven nothing. In Oakland, 177 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 15: Will combined one hitter with eighteen strike ads, and that 178 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,959 Speaker 15: drops the Yanks to sole possession of the seller. As expected, 179 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 15: the deadline passed, no new long term deal for the 180 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 15: Giant Saquon Barkley. The same thing happened to a couple 181 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 15: of other top running backs. The Raiders Josh Jacobs, the 182 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 15: Cowboys Tony Pollard all figured to play on the franchise tag. 183 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 15: Although Barkley may not be in a hurry to sign it, 184 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 15: he can then skip training camp and not be fined. 185 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,800 Speaker 15: The sale to Washington Commanders from Dan Snyder to Josh 186 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 15: Harris King namsly approved by the NFL Finance Committee, heads 187 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 15: to a vote of all the owners. The Jets reluctantly 188 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 15: agreed to be on HB Those Hard Knocks Training Camp 189 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 15: reality show. They demanded that scenes where they cut players 190 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 15: not to be shown. N Dashaward Bloomberg Sports. 191 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 9: From coast to coast, from New York to San Francisco, 192 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 9: Boston to Washington, DC, nationwide on Syrias Exam, the Bloomberg 193 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 9: Business app in Bloomberg dot Com. 194 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 5: This is Bloomberg Daybreak. 195 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 7: Good morning. 196 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:24,880 Speaker 9: I'm Nathan Hager. 197 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 10: Kathy Wood. 198 00:10:26,160 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 3: She is a big name on Wall Street, known for 199 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 3: her bets on tech companies like Tesla, Twitter, and in Nvidia. 200 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 3: She did miss out on the latest Games Foreign video though, 201 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 3: selling shares before the aikraze sent the chip maker soaring. 202 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 5: Well. 203 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:42,199 Speaker 3: Now we're getting Kathy Wood's view on the broader tech 204 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 3: industry and what's next for equities in the space. The 205 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: Arc Investment Management CEO sat down for an interview with 206 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,679 Speaker 3: our colleagues Carol Master and Matt Miller late yesterday. Let's 207 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 3: listen into that conversation now with Kathy Wood. 208 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 16: Kathy, nice to have you back. Matt and I were 209 00:10:58,280 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 16: just talking before we got going. Nasdaq one more than 210 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:04,079 Speaker 16: forty percent best first half for the index. Investors are 211 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 16: definitely chasing risk this year, anything that feels euphoric, irrationally 212 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:12,760 Speaker 16: in your view, that maybe we need a little bit 213 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 16: of a correction here. 214 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:18,000 Speaker 8: You know, what's interesting is to see funds having nice 215 00:11:18,120 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 8: moves and flows not follow I don't think. I think 216 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 8: there's a wall of worry up out there. It is 217 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 8: about further interest rate increases. What's going to break next, 218 00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,560 Speaker 8: It's about a hard landing. It's about a hard landing 219 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:39,319 Speaker 8: in the context of now China and Europe really seeing 220 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 8: struggling and how will that reverberate. So we actually think 221 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:48,160 Speaker 8: that and we've been saying this for some time, that 222 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 8: deflation is the bigger risk out here, and I think 223 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 8: we're going to see an unwinding of auto prices. That 224 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 8: the Ford F one fifty lightnings price decline is going 225 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:02,599 Speaker 8: to be the first of many, many auto cuts that 226 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 8: we'll see. And if you remember, during the early stage 227 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 8: of COVID and the supply shocks, at one point the 228 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 8: combination of used cars and new cars accounted for a 229 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 8: third of the increase in inflation. I think you'll see 230 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:20,719 Speaker 8: that on the downside here, and we're going to get 231 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 8: to two percent inflation, I think, much faster than many 232 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 8: people think, with perhaps a harder landing, more for corporate 233 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,319 Speaker 8: margins than anything else, because if you see these discounting 234 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 8: and you see consumers respond to discounts, maybe real growth 235 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 8: kind of. I still think we'll have a harder landing, 236 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 8: but maybe with price declines we'll stave that off. 237 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 14: That hard landing. 238 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 11: For a while, well, we were hearing investors say that 239 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 11: inflation is no longer concern number one. Growth is really 240 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,200 Speaker 11: what the market is concerned about now. And so you 241 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,360 Speaker 11: think we're going to have a recession, Kathy. 242 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 8: Yeah, If you look at real corporate revenue growth, it's 243 00:13:04,920 --> 00:13:07,959 Speaker 8: down one point one percent year over year as of 244 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,359 Speaker 8: that was as of the first quarter. That is consistent 245 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 8: with gross domestic income down one point one percent. This 246 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 8: is real gross domestic income down one point one percent 247 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 8: year over year. Gross domestic income and gross domestic product 248 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 8: over time equal one another. It's an identity, but the 249 00:13:29,440 --> 00:13:33,160 Speaker 8: information flows are different. And income you get a lot 250 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 8: from the IRS, a lot. 251 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:36,400 Speaker 14: Of income data. 252 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 8: The product data, product and service data is a little 253 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 8: bit more sampled and erratic, but over time, so we 254 00:13:46,240 --> 00:13:51,079 Speaker 8: could already be in that downturn. And the GDP numbers 255 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 8: we'll just catch up later on. 256 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 11: What about the inflation numbers. I mean, we come down 257 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 11: over the last year from nine point one percent CPI 258 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 11: to three that's pretty quick. And you know, I've talked 259 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 11: to you a couple of times in the last couple 260 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 11: of years and you've mentioned a concern about deflation rather 261 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,120 Speaker 11: than inflation. Do you think we're going to start to 262 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:10,920 Speaker 11: see that coming as we see it in other major economies, 263 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 11: most notably China. 264 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:18,520 Speaker 8: Yes, it's very interesting to Chinese Deflation is so their 265 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 8: price prices are down according to the PPI five point 266 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 8: four percent year over year, and I do believe they 267 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 8: are going to export it over time. So yes, we 268 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 8: do think we're going to see price deflation but there 269 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 8: are two flavors of deflation. There's good and there's bad. 270 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 8: The good deflation has to do with innovation, and we 271 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 8: have centered our research around five major platforms, all of 272 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 8: which are technologically enabled and deflationary, and they're becoming a 273 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 8: bigger part of the pie electric vehicle sales. For example, 274 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:57,239 Speaker 8: Tesla's making sure that it's passing along the cost declines 275 00:14:57,280 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 8: from its drive electric drive trains to consumers so that 276 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 8: it can sustain demand. Anything having to do with innovation, 277 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 8: the best companies are going to pass those costs along 278 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 8: to the consumers. And so I think you're going to 279 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 8: see much broader based deflation in not only the transportation sector, 280 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:27,720 Speaker 8: but perhaps everywhere because artificial intelligence training costs AI training 281 00:15:27,760 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 8: costs are dropping. Get this, seventy percent per year. Seventy 282 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 8: percent per year. Now that's the good deflation is causing 283 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 8: booms in activity. 284 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 14: But we do know that. 285 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 8: Disruptive innovation will disturb or disintermediate the traditional world order. 286 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 8: Think electric vehicles and gas powered vehicles. You know, these 287 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,520 Speaker 8: auto companies ninety to ninety five percent of their revenues 288 00:15:53,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 8: are still tied to the internal combustion engine. 289 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 16: So, Kathy, when people talk about AI. Do you think 290 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 16: it's going to upend the labor market substantially. 291 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 8: The history of technology over time is that it's a 292 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 8: net job creator. In the short term, you'll see some displacement, 293 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 8: You'll need some retraining. But I like to remind people 294 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 8: about the Internet. In the early days of the Internet, 295 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 8: when we're trying to figure out what it was and 296 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:26,320 Speaker 8: how it was going to work, we had no idea 297 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 8: about Uber or Airbnb businesses that could not exist without 298 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 8: the Internet. And I think the same is going to 299 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,360 Speaker 8: be true in the AI world as well. I think 300 00:16:39,360 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 8: it's going to be a tremendous boon to productivity. It 301 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 8: is the equivalent for knowledge workers of the assembly line 302 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 8: in the industrial age. 303 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 14: This is the new assembly line. And you know what happened. 304 00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 8: Because of the original assembly line, Well, a lot of 305 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 8: people left the farms. 306 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 14: There are a lot of farmers then and. 307 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 8: Moved into businesses and activities that they didn't dream were 308 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 8: possible before that. 309 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 14: And I think the same will prove true. Now. 310 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 11: Hey, it love it little Henry Ford history there. 311 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 16: I like it, love love, love no, but it's like 312 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,719 Speaker 16: this big picture. One thing I want to ask you, 313 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 16: kind of whittling it down a little bit. 314 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: You know. 315 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 16: One of the things in the headlines today has to 316 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 16: do about Dad j Oones. You did an interview and 317 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 16: you talked about Twitter and writing down your stake in 318 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,199 Speaker 16: Twitter by I think about forty seven percent since Elon 319 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 16: took it over. You're still bullish long term, So help 320 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 16: me understand that right down against a long term bullish view. 321 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 8: Sure that we have no choice in this. This is 322 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 8: we have a pricing committee. We calculate our net asset 323 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:50,679 Speaker 8: value for the ARC Venture Fund every day and we 324 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 8: get a lot of markers. There's trading on the secondary 325 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 8: market less. So with Twitter, we are trying to find 326 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,679 Speaker 8: some Twitter. We love to buy some at this level. 327 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:03,239 Speaker 8: But while a Fidelity has marked it down and some 328 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 8: of the other large managers have marked their positions down 329 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 8: dramatically based on yes, we are still getting information about 330 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:19,040 Speaker 8: advertising sales not picking up dramatically yet, but they're in 331 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:24,440 Speaker 8: very early stage. With Linda joining the team, we'd love 332 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 8: to buy it. We think longer term. We think that 333 00:18:29,280 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 8: Elon understands what a super app is. After all, he 334 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 8: did get started in the payment space and sold his 335 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 8: company to PayPal. In the last week, Twitter has gotten 336 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 8: money transmitter licenses from three or four states, and they're 337 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 8: going to cover the land and we chat pay taught 338 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:56,240 Speaker 8: us a lot about what a super app is in 339 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 8: terms of not only information flow, but financial activities and commerce. 340 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 8: So we think Elon has grand plans, and you know, 341 00:19:07,480 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 8: it's also been interesting. 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