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Speaker 1: Welcome to the wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode three thirty

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Speaker 1: one Tay. In the show, we're joined by Jeff Sturgis

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Speaker 1: of white Tail Habitat Solutions to get his on the

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Speaker 1: ground reaction and recommendations for improving our back forty property.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought

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Speaker 1: to you by on X. Today. On the show, we've

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Speaker 1: got a couple of things going uh coming up here soon.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have the main event, which is an interview,

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Speaker 1: a sit down I did with Jeff Sturgis. Jeff Sturgis,

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Speaker 1: as many of you guys know, probably is the founder

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Speaker 1: of white Tail Habitat Solutions. He's the author of a

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Speaker 1: whole bunch of books related to deer hunting and managing

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Speaker 1: properties for deer and deer hunting. Uh. He's a consultant,

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Speaker 1: he's a YouTuber. He does a whole lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: related to helping you become a better deer hunter and

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Speaker 1: how to improve your property to do that too. So

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Speaker 1: what I did is I actually brought Jeff down to

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Speaker 1: Michigan in late August to go see the Back forty,

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Speaker 1: and just because of the timing of it all, we

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Speaker 1: weren't able to include that event in the Back forty show,

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Speaker 1: but we record a podcast. We walked the property, took

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Speaker 1: a look at it, and then took some time to

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Speaker 1: develop a really, um a really specific plan for how

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Speaker 1: he would try to renovate things out there. That the

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Speaker 1: changes he would make, the things he'd planned, the ideas

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Speaker 1: he had, even how to hunt it. Everything he possibly

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Speaker 1: thought about the Back forty we covered in this episode.

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Speaker 1: So it's very interesting as far as you know how

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Speaker 1: you might be applied these to your own hunts and

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Speaker 1: to your own properties. But then if you follow the

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Speaker 1: whole Back forty story and the TV show and all

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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, um, this will give you some

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Speaker 1: really interesting insight into things will be considering for a

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Speaker 1: year two because we weren't really able to implement anything

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Speaker 1: the last day before we were gonna shut down the

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Speaker 1: property before hunting season. Um. But it's interesting. There's even

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Speaker 1: some included imagery that we discussed that I'll be posting

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Speaker 1: on Instagram and Facebook. He put together some drawings outlining

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Speaker 1: exactly how he would do things in the property, so

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Speaker 1: make sure you check that on social media. But before

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Speaker 1: we get to the main event with j Sturgers two

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Speaker 1: more things. You can hear some fiddling in the background.

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Speaker 1: That's my co host, Dan Johnson. He is here for

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Speaker 1: a pregame show. But before the pregame show, we got

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Speaker 1: a pre pregame show. Dan. Yeah, I didn't tell you

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Speaker 1: about this um and it's not too exciting. It's more

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Speaker 1: like a pre game show pre announcement, which which is

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Speaker 1: basically this and it's it's only relevant for a small

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Speaker 1: liver of people listening. But if you happen to be

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Speaker 1: listening to this on the very first day that this

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Speaker 1: podcast goes out to the world, that is Thursday, January

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Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, if you're listening on that day, I

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Speaker 1: want you to know that if you're listening on that

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Speaker 1: day and you happen to be in Western Michigan, I'm

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Speaker 1: coming to your talent. I'm coming to Grand Rapids tonight

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Speaker 1: meet and Greek kind of deal at Schuler Books. That's

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Speaker 1: Grand Rapids, Michigan, January sixteenth at Schuler Books. So that's tonight,

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Speaker 1: seven pm. I'm gonna be there. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this and you're here, I would love to see you tonight.

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Speaker 1: I would love to shake your hand, chit chat a

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Speaker 1: little bit um, that'd be awesome. So hoping to see

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Speaker 1: Michigan on January six Schueler Books on set seven pm. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If I show up, it will be with all three

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Speaker 1: what I I've got. I don't know. You know how

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Speaker 1: some issues going on, right Absolutely, Yeah it was. And

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Speaker 1: But just in case you knew, it's this great big

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Speaker 1: archery trade convention, arch. It's the Archery Trade Association convention,

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Speaker 1: but it's also a bow hunting convention, kind of the

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Speaker 1: best largest quote unquote industry get together, um for the

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Speaker 1: and the two of us were there. Um, I had

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Speaker 1: did a lot of recording for podcast, all products specific.

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Speaker 1: So you think, yes, you got all the product intel. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if it kind of aligns with you know, things that

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Speaker 1: But you know, I love my top tier bows, but

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Speaker 1: was a passionate outburst of full blown nine fingers right there.

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Speaker 1: And uh, I think it's it showed people about how

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Speaker 1: much this stuff matters. And I thought that was really good.

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Speaker 1: And it just just imagined this mark And I say this,

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Speaker 1: you've talked to me about it before, and I want

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Speaker 1: to I want everybody to listen to this. What would

435
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Speaker 1: happen if in ten years you could not hunt, or

436
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Speaker 1: your children could not hunt, or your grandchildren were not

437
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Speaker 1: allowed to hunt. I want you to think about that

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Speaker 1: and think of what hunting has given you over the years,

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Speaker 1: all that enjoyment and all that that there's there's there's

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Speaker 1: something about nature that like for me, it's it's literally

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Speaker 1: saved me. And imagine if you could no longer do that,

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Speaker 1: think about that, and then make sure that doesn't happen. Yes,

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Speaker 1: what are you What are you willing to sacrifice for

444
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Speaker 1: this fight? That right there is I think a good

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Speaker 1: place for us to leave and something that we're gonna

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Speaker 1: continue to return to this year and next year and

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Speaker 1: they after that, and as long as people listen to

448
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Speaker 1: you and me, Dan, I think that's gonna be something

449
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Speaker 1: that's gonna be top of our mind. So I will

450
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Speaker 1: go down with this ship, all right, right there with it.

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Speaker 1: But so with that, I think we'll wrap up our

452
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Speaker 1: pregame show unless you've got anything finally want to mention. Otherwise,

453
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to the next phase of the show.

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Speaker 1: If you are, let's move on. All right. Well, thank

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Speaker 1: you Dan for the good times we had this past

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Speaker 1: weekend a t A. And it was good to see

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Speaker 1: you Mark. It was really good to see you, man.

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Speaker 1: It was fun. We need to do it more often.

459
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Speaker 1: If we didn't have all these damn kids, we can

460
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Speaker 1: maybe we can maybe get out of here and do

461
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Speaker 1: some more things that are funny. That's a fact, man.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, let's take a quick break and then

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get right back here. With Jeff Sturgis. Alright,

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Speaker 1: so before we're going to further, want to share an

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Speaker 1: announcement and then a message from one of our partners. First,

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Speaker 1: the announcement Meati Eator's next live tour is kicking off

467
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Speaker 1: this spring. We're gonna be hitting three, no not three,

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Speaker 1: eleven different cities that include spots like San Francisco, Detroit, Minneapolis, Chicago,

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Speaker 1: a couple of spots in Pennsylvania, somewhere around Boston, a

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Speaker 1: couple of spots in California. I think exciting stuff. It

471
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Speaker 1: is going to be a different kind of show too.

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Speaker 1: You'll definitely want to tune in for this one in

473
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Speaker 1: person because you can't tune into it on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to record this as a podcast. It's

475
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Speaker 1: gonna be shipped out to the media or audience. Only

476
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Speaker 1: those in person there we'll get to experience it. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be Steve Yanni Kale, and then at each different

478
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Speaker 1: city there will be some other guests, including myself there

479
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Speaker 1: in Detroit, So make sure to pick up your tickets.

480
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Speaker 1: You can start buying them exclusively January when you go

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Speaker 1: to the meat Eater website to use the promo code

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Speaker 1: mugs that's m u g s. You'll get those tickets

483
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Speaker 1: several days earlier than anybody else otherwise. The rest of

484
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Speaker 1: the tickets go on sale Friday, January. There's also gonna

485
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Speaker 1: be some v I P ticket options as well for

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Speaker 1: a meet and greet, book signing, all that kind of

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Speaker 1: cool stuff, So check that out. All of it you'll

488
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Speaker 1: be able to find over at the meat eater dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's Hunter awake. I can't tell if your eyes you're

490
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Speaker 1: gonna throw a crushing news for the reflective lenses. But

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Speaker 1: what I'm trying to say is welcome to the Wired

492
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Speaker 1: Hunt podcast, brought to you by on X. And we

493
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Speaker 1: are sitting out here on the edge of the back

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Speaker 1: forty property right by the road, sitting on the tailgate

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Speaker 1: of the canam and some camp chairs next to my truck,

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Speaker 1: and I am here with my camera crew extraordinaires Jordan

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Speaker 1: and Hunter. Hello, how's it going good? And our special

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Speaker 1: special guest back on the show for maybe the third

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Speaker 1: or fourth time, I think fourth fourth time, Jeff Sturgis,

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Speaker 1: White Tail, Habitat Solutions. Pleasure to be here. Yeah, just

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate always always it is always a lot

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Speaker 1: of fun to get to chat with you. And usually

503
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: though it's about like abstract ideas like let's talk about

504
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 1: whether and deer, or let's talk about high quality habit at.

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00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: But it's always generic stuff. It's like hypothetically, if you

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Speaker 1: have this, try this, if you have that, try this. Today, though,

507
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk in specifics. You just joined us for

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Speaker 1: a walk around this new property we picked up this year,

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Speaker 1: the back Ford you and we want to get your

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Speaker 1: perspective on what you think about it, how we can

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Speaker 1: improve it, what a what based off what we have

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Speaker 1: so far? What are the next steps all of that?

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Speaker 1: And so we took this walk about and I'll let

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Speaker 1: you in a second here describe a little more detailed

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Speaker 1: me what we just did. Um. But then you also

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Speaker 1: put together a visual of your recommendations, which I just

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Speaker 1: want everybody to know. Over the next however long we

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Speaker 1: sit here and talk, we're gonna be reference referencing some

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Speaker 1: pictures that Jeff has drawn up that help us diagram

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Speaker 1: his different ideas of how to adjust things, what the

521
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Speaker 1: property looks like now, and what we could tweak. And

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Speaker 1: so I'm going to post these pictures up on the

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt Instagram account and the Wired hunt face page

524
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Speaker 1: maybe up on the website page for this on the

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Speaker 1: Mediator dot com too. So if you can check out

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Speaker 1: those pictures first, that's gonna help you visualize all this.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna try to describe it as best as as

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Speaker 1: we possibly can. So if you can't see the pictures,

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Speaker 1: you're not you're not s o l. But the photos

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Speaker 1: I do think will help you see this come to

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Speaker 1: life a little bit better. And you're gonna have to

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Speaker 1: excuse the vehicles driving by. This is podcasting in the

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Speaker 1: mobile studio, so there will be big rigs. There's gonna

534
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Speaker 1: be like a really loud motorcycle that comes by every

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Speaker 1: day really fast. We've heard him a lot. There's Lonnie

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Speaker 1: the neighbor who's got crazy things burning and all sorts

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Speaker 1: of projects going on in his yard. You just never

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Speaker 1: know what're gonna get here, Hunter, he's just living the

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Speaker 1: American dream over there. Yes. Yeah, the other day, Jordan's

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Speaker 1: had a camera step to do a time lapse, and

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Speaker 1: all of a sudden we see a bunch of black

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Speaker 1: smoke going right up in the air above him and

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Speaker 1: me and Hunter like, oh, did Jordan blow up the

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Speaker 1: trail Hawk, which is your guys a vehicle so happily

545
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Speaker 1: named the Jeep trail Hawk. Yeah. I was trying to

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Speaker 1: get out of there, and then I realized that I

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Speaker 1: didn't have the keys. Hunter had him on him a

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Speaker 1: couple of fields away, So I just had to sit

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Speaker 1: there and take that nice smell and fumes, get the

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Speaker 1: black smoke mess up the time laps. No, dude, good

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Speaker 1: might avand it to it probably would be cool. That

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Speaker 1: sounds cool. I'm not quite sure what's going on over there,

553
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Speaker 1: but I'm intrigue. So let's get to the basic idea

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Speaker 1: of what we're trying to hear, Jeff, I guess at

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Speaker 1: a super high level, we don't need to spend a

556
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Speaker 1: ton of time on this, but we just did basically

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Speaker 1: what you do with the typical client, right, yes, and

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Speaker 1: can you give us like the thirty second overview of

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Speaker 1: what it is that you just helped us, dude up

560
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: to this point. So most of the time we sit

561
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Speaker 1: down and what we did today. Get to know the

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Speaker 1: property by the air, get to know your resources, your

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Speaker 1: plans for the property goals, and then I can start

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Speaker 1: to develop a framework based on the neighbors and neighbors food,

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Speaker 1: what you're planning to do what your timber is, what

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Speaker 1: your current habitat, start to really develop a plan in

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Speaker 1: my head that might be the way there. While at breakfast,

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Speaker 1: we move on to the property. We spend two, three,

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Speaker 1: four or five six hours depending on the size of

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Speaker 1: the property and um. And then while we're out there,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about we would do this here that there.

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Speaker 1: It all starts with food, the foundation of food. And

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Speaker 1: then I'm going back and I'm putting down on a

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Speaker 1: diagram on a picture. I'm drawing on the fine point stylus,

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Speaker 1: what's actually going on on the property. What we talked about,

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Speaker 1: stand locations, betting areas, travel corridors, food plots, switch grass,

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00:32:35,160 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: hinge cutting, whatever, timber, stand improvement, UM, whatever it might be.

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Speaker 1: And then we're going back and discussing that we're at

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Speaker 1: that point right now. So I spend an hour drawing

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Speaker 1: this diagram up, which is what I do with my

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Speaker 1: clients that day. I feel like if they're not gonna

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Speaker 1: be there for the drawing and we can't talk about it,

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Speaker 1: then we actually turn clients away. So if someone just

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Speaker 1: wants me to show up, look at the property, draw

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Speaker 1: diagram and send it. We don't do that because I

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Speaker 1: find there's a lack of engagement. I want them to

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Speaker 1: buy in, because I find that if they buy in,

588
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: their successful and it's a far greater experience. Otherwise they're

589
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: just throwing money at me, and and I want this

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Speaker 1: to work for them. And so if they do it,

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Speaker 1: it works, and we need that level of engagement. And

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00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,280
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at right now. I have

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Speaker 1: broke this down into several pictures, come as far as

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Speaker 1: from beginning to end. Yeah, so let's first do this,

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Speaker 1: well you do you tell me how you think you

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Speaker 1: would typically go through this, but we could we go

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Speaker 1: one of two ways. We could either verbally walk through

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Speaker 1: the property, so I could say, hey, we're at the

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Speaker 1: field one or some of your thoughts on that, and

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Speaker 1: we could walk through the property kind of like we

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Speaker 1: physically did sure, Or you could start me off with

602
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Speaker 1: your diagrams and talk to us the way you would

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Speaker 1: talk about with a client. How about we just go

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Speaker 1: through that quick and then we'll go through what do

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Speaker 1: we have five pictures or six? One, two, three, four,

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Speaker 1: five pictures? So how about we go through each one

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Speaker 1: and we just see if there's any questions, and we

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Speaker 1: go the second one. We're not gonna end detail go

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00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: over everyone too much. Should just you know. That way

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00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: we can kind of establish your framework and then we

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Speaker 1: can get to the meat. Once we get to that

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Speaker 1: last picture. That so good. That sounds good. So just

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Speaker 1: as a refresher for anyone who's jumping in, I'm just

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00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: gonna quickly describe the property again, just in case people

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00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: haven't seen the picture. The property kind of looks like Oklahoma.

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Speaker 1: You've got the panhandle on the left side and then

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00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,040
Speaker 1: drops off to the right. You can also think of

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Speaker 1: as a pot. You can hold the panhandle. That's the

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Speaker 1: far west, and the pot gets big to the east.

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Speaker 1: Running right to the middle of that pot is our swamp.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of a gorge shape ish, so it's thin

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Speaker 1: up at the top to handle your gourd. It gets

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Speaker 1: a little bit bulbous down towards the bottom. There's these

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Speaker 1: old fields on either side of the swamp. You've got

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Speaker 1: fields one, two, and three broken up by fence rows

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Speaker 1: on the west side of the gordon, and you've got

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Speaker 1: fields four or five and six on the east side

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Speaker 1: of the gourd. And imagine these are kind of stocked

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Speaker 1: stacked on top of each other like blocks that at

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Speaker 1: a high level is what the property looks like. Now, Jeff,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at image number one. Walk me through, Walk

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Speaker 1: me through what that one is. Image number one is

633
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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at the property. We need to establish

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00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: the security of the property, how you can get on

635
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: and off the property without spooking deer. And of course

636
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: every property is so unique. This one is nice because

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00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: it fits the mold where you can travel around the outside.

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00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 1: There's no constrictions or waterways, you can't make it through.

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Speaker 1: You don't have a cabin in the middle, and we

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00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: don't have a road going through the middle. So it's

641
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: typical core area in the middle. The first picture, I'm

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Speaker 1: drawing yellow in there, and you can see that's starting

643
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: that there's four yellow spots, uh fields one and two.

644
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 1: I haven't drawn that in yet, but I wanted to

645
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: use this just to show. I'm drawing that in a

646
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: switch grass, and that could be a base form of

647
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: cover for you, something you can establish in one to

648
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: two years very effectively on the soil. And then we

649
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: go from there with the progression what we add next.

650
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 1: But that switch grass is a huge base for you,

651
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,240
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a lot of switch grass planting

652
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 1: around here. You talked about when we're out there, the

653
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: idea of doing pockets of it. Yes, can you just

654
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,239
Speaker 1: cry what I'm seeing here? Are you? Are you recommending

655
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: full switch grass in these yellowed out areas or you

656
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 1: saying the pocketed well, um, the switch grass, Yeah, we'll

657
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 1: get there, but um not. I I'm recommending switch grass

658
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: next to your access and then diverse switch grass in

659
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: locations where you want bedding, and we'll talk about that

660
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 1: coming up here. Perfect. Moving on to the next image,

661
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: You've got the yellowed out fields and then you have

662
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 1: some green lines going throughout and then yellow lines going

663
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: across the swamp to connect it. Yes, okay, what does

664
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: all this means? So you have the switch grass in

665
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 1: the first thing I look at on every property, and

666
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: once we know that we can hide food in these locations,

667
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: you can put that there and you're not going to

668
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: spook the deer going on and off the property. Then

669
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: we're establishing where that food should go. That food is

670
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: going to establish the daily movement of the deer. Your

671
00:36:57,800 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: feet five times in the twenty four period. We want

672
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: your food to represent that third feeding of the day,

673
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 1: which they're feeding feeding one and two, say mid morning

674
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: early afternoon, that would be in their bedding areas with brows.

675
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 1: And then that food plot define daily afternoon movement that

676
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,959
Speaker 1: establishes the entire hunt. That's gonna be the third feeding

677
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 1: of the day about an hour before dark. And that's

678
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: what that green food plot represents on your property. So

679
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: not only is that supplying a very important third feeding

680
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: of the day to the deer that's like our dinner time,

681
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: it's also establishing exactly how you want the deer to

682
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,960
Speaker 1: move on the property within your borders, parallel to your borders.

683
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: In this case and most any case, you're not trying

684
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 1: to position the food to bring deer on and off

685
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:44,839
Speaker 1: your property. You're trying to position food so that when

686
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: they come out of cover, they hit the food, turn

687
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,600
Speaker 1: left or right, and they relate to that food in

688
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,319
Speaker 1: a parallel fashion to your borders. So it maintains that

689
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: they stay on your property for as long as proper

690
00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: possible during the daylight, and then after dark they released

691
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: your neighbors. So these food plot designs are very different

692
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: than what i'd say ninety of the food plots and

693
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 1: food plot recommendations you see out there. Lots of times. Yes,

694
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 1: you see big open fields or squares or rectangles or circled. Basically,

695
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: we've got big lines here from you. Can you help

696
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: us understand why you recommend that kind of shape and

697
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,560
Speaker 1: design a little bit? You know, it's interesting. I love

698
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,919
Speaker 1: one of my chapters my food plot book was um

699
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: thin as in or something like that, but it talked

700
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: about thin food plots and on the the property that

701
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: own that's only acres and the true properties that I

702
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 1: they hunt lease. They're forty and fifty two all those

703
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: food plots are. They're still matched to the lay of

704
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:45,560
Speaker 1: the land. But I cannot put lines on them because

705
00:38:45,600 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: it's so steep that I can't put those long, thin

706
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: lines and I'd like to because they're running over a thick,

707
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, steep edge. Um, I'm putting them on the

708
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: only flat areas in the terrain. I like long food

709
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 1: food lines and food and lines move mint and you

710
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: can connect that with small plots too. But for one

711
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 1: like especially in your case, for your property, let's say

712
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: that it varies by sixty ft in elevation over a

713
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,479
Speaker 1: pretty wide area, Well, you can tuck these food pots

714
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 1: with each one of these green lines. Like when we

715
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: were out in the field. We talked about how they

716
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: would slip through those valleys that are there so that

717
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:28,880
Speaker 1: when they're gonna feel secure in there. Um, we're also

718
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: ribboning those food plots through the valleys. You can't see

719
00:39:31,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 1: them from the outside when the access. That also helps

720
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: you capture moisture. You have a pretty light sandy soil

721
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,319
Speaker 1: out there, so you're there's a lot of reasons to

722
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: put those in a long linear fashion. But most of all, again,

723
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: those deer come out of your core area in the

724
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 1: middle of your property you're trying to protect. They hit

725
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: that food and they turn left or right, and then

726
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: that leads them to stand locations, which we'll talk about

727
00:39:56,680 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 1: in a little bit. But it also maximizes the time

728
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: that they're on your property because instead of just going

729
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 1: through a circle that's overrun with a bunch of deer

730
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 1: and they just pass off right over to your neighbors.

731
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 1: You know, they come out from the west to go

732
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: to the east to the big blob of food, they

733
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: pass through it, go over to your neighbors to the east.

734
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:15,879
Speaker 1: Now they hit that food and they turn left or right,

735
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: and the beauty of the hills that you have in

736
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 1: a lot of situations even if you're carving out these

737
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 1: long food plots and cover and foot grass, is that

738
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 1: there's a lot of corners in inside corners, outside corners,

739
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: and so you don't go more than fifty to seventy

740
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: five yards and any of those food plots that might

741
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 1: measure five thousand feet in total length UM without finding

742
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: a spot that you can hide around the corner. So

743
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: you talk about people putting lines of switch grass through

744
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: their food plots and big open food plots. Of reason

745
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: they're doing that is they're trying to separate deer here

746
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,920
Speaker 1: by naturally the land flow the land that naturally separates

747
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: deer when they're feeding, So you can have more deer

748
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: hit the food while they're feeding and uh and in

749
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: space them out around your property makes your property more efficient.

750
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 1: And then again the whole purpose you're holding the deer

751
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: on the daylight during the daylight, you know, running parallel

752
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: to your borders, and then that's pushing them towards stand

753
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: locations either past or from food plots that are going

754
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,920
Speaker 1: to bedding areas in the morning or um evening food

755
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: source destinations in between cruising areas and um. And so

756
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 1: it's really serving to set up in in safe feeding too.

757
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: So when they're in these narrow plots, and I'm talking

758
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: in your property, typically you don't want to go over

759
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 1: a hundred hundred feet wide unless you're really big, sprawling

760
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: over a lot of you know, three quarter mile food plots. Um.

761
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 1: But in your case, fifty six wide is perfect. So

762
00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 1: when those food plots hit a fence role, you might

763
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: constrict it down to ten ft wide. Haven't passed through

764
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: an area that explodes out into food plant On the

765
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: other side, you have a stand location there, and when

766
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,879
Speaker 1: you're getting that fifty six width, then great bowshot. Even

767
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: if it's on the back side of the food plot.

768
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 1: Even if if a buck doesn't come into that food plot,

769
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 1: he's still in that range we talked out when they

770
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: do cross fence rolls or adding mock scrapes. Um. I've

771
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: drawn in a couple of water holes here in dry

772
00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: areas that we'll look at at the end. But the

773
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 1: food plot sets that foundation of entire movement on your land.

774
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 1: And the more you define how they hit that food

775
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: every single afternoon and how they move on your land,

776
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: you know, obviously narrow is better than white as far

777
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 1: as on they move then that allows you to define

778
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 1: how you hunt. So a lot of people kind of

779
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 1: doing reverse, Well, I want to hunt this spot or

780
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 1: that spot. They throw some food plot or habitat improvements

781
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: out there, but nothing matches, and so we're trying to

782
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: specifically define how this your do you're exactly move on

783
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: your land so that you can define how you haunt

784
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: and access to land without spooking them. And probably having

785
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: this kind of linear shaped your food plots makes it

786
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 1: much easier to get it and out without spooking because

787
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,760
Speaker 1: you're never going to have one spot that has twenty

788
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 1: deer sitting in it. They're constantly moving, right, So if

789
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 1: you spread those deer out enough to say, just to

790
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: pick a number thirty deer bucks those and fonds on

791
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: your property in the evening because they like to space

792
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: out and they like space between them, then you know

793
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: box might be looking for does. But those dole family

794
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: groups are going to spread all the way around your property,

795
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: so the odds that they're right in front of your

796
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: stand location within bow shot when you get to that

797
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: stand location are extremely low. And then you're using the

798
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: lay of the land to get into those stand stand

799
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: locations anyways, and you're losing using in those fence roads.

800
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: You could have a nice trailer goes right down the

801
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: middle or right down the side that has a tunnel

802
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: between the switchgrass and the edge, and you can get

803
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 1: right in and out of those food pots without without

804
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: spooken deer or the stand locations. Yeah, so, so walk

805
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 1: me through the access plan a little bit more unless

806
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 1: you think I'm jumping the gun there. But your ideas

807
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: on access were pretty similar to what I was thinking

808
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: for the access in here. Um. But but the whole

809
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 1: crux of this property for me has been how do

810
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: I get in and out without spooking deer? How do

811
00:43:53,160 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: I food in these fields and still not spook them?

812
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: So because of that, I got pretty conservative with how

813
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: I designed and and cutting the current food plus kept

814
00:44:01,719 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: pretty small and tight just because I want more space

815
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 1: and and less opportunity for them to visually see me

816
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: from a plot. Uh, you recommend adjusting that a little bit,

817
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: but access being something that would be important to perspective

818
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 1: on that. Well, and it's really really along your lines.

819
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: I'm very conservative and going in um. For example, if

820
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 1: you're spooking to your out of a food plot, get

821
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: rid of the food plot, shrink it, move it, move

822
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: the stand, move the access. It can't happen ever. Um.

823
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 1: Now not to say it never happens, but you're never

824
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 1: setting yourself up for that happen for that to happen. UM.

825
00:44:39,200 --> 00:44:42,759
Speaker 1: So similar access, you know that to what you're looking at.

826
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: The difference is is I'm looking at a page right

827
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: now that has all the brown dots in it in

828
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: the middle of a giraffe looking hide, yeah, or an

829
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: ugly butterfly or something. Um. But anyways, that those are

830
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,279
Speaker 1: those diversity pockets. And we'll talk about that in a second,

831
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: but that's where I expect those deer to bed and

832
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: then that interior swamp. So by defining where those dear bed,

833
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: you see that there's a lot of solid yellow around

834
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: the outside of that whole twisted butterfly. And that is

835
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: what I find. If you're accessing behind eight to ten

836
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: pounds per acre of cave and rock switch grass and

837
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: it's thirty you know, some of those areas might even

838
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 1: be six ft wide because of the lay of the land.

839
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 1: But if it's six seven ft even down to forty

840
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 1: inches to four ft I at the end of the

841
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: first growing season, which would be the end of two

842
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. Then you can get in and out of

843
00:45:36,160 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: the land without spoken deer. That what's nice about the

844
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: switch grass is that it's like a sponge, So thinking

845
00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: of it as cutting down sound site and scent. So

846
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: even if scent is going into it a little bit,

847
00:45:49,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: it will help filter it out like a sponge. When

848
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 1: I talk about switch grass, it is really important for

849
00:45:55,160 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 1: your listeners to hear is that switch grass to me

850
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: is the only grass, at least in the northern portions

851
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: of the country most of the big white tail states

852
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 1: UH four white tails, because it stands up all winter long.

853
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: And so if it's stand up, if you have big

854
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: boost and little boostem Indian grass have been too beautiful

855
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 1: fields where they're ten twelve ft high ure in the summer,

856
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 1: in their two ft high or a foot high during November, December, January, February, March.

857
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: So not only can you not hide white tails or

858
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: hide your access or keep from projecting your access across

859
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: the hundred yard field because it's all laid down, but

860
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: then you can't attract pheasants and rabbits. And so what

861
00:46:35,640 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: I found I've worked extensively with clients around the country

862
00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: and when they start adding switch grass switchgrass lines, and

863
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:42,840
Speaker 1: you don't want to solid thirty acres, and that's what

864
00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:44,439
Speaker 1: we'll talk about, a little bit or a solid even

865
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: ten ten acres or five unless it's blocking your access.

866
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,280
Speaker 1: But when you have those small pockets of diversity and edge,

867
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:55,959
Speaker 1: and you have herbaceous growth, woody growth, woody stem regeneration

868
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: within the pockets of the switch grass, meaning you're you're

869
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 1: playing the sweatgrass thick and then you're leaving open pockets

870
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:06,799
Speaker 1: with no grass, then you attract wildlife. And and so

871
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: I hear back a lot from a client set. Say,

872
00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: for example, they had some type of pheasant mix that

873
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: they planted for years, and they'd have to replant peasants

874
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: every spring because that cover lays down all winter long

875
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: and it's useless. And so you add that switchgrass, you

876
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 1: create diversity pockets. Now you have edge, Now you have pheasants,

877
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: now you have rabbits, and you actually have sustainable wildlife

878
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 1: cover the last the entire winter stands up to the snow.

879
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: So tell me this. One of the unique things with

880
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,759
Speaker 1: what we're trying to do here is that in addition

881
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: to also improving this for deer and deer hunting and

882
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: all that stuff. We also are trying to do some

883
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: things to be accounting for other species outside of the

884
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: norm too, so pollinators and birds and small mammals like

885
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 1: you talk to, rabbits and upland burds like pheasants and

886
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 1: everything like that. So from some of the people we've

887
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 1: talked to who are focusing more on those species, one

888
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: of the things they've recommended for these old fields is

889
00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:05,440
Speaker 1: some of that type of pollinator planting, like the pheasants forever,

890
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: would have those grass native grass as wildflowers fores mixes

891
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: like that would be really great for all these other

892
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: things and for part of the year provide cover for

893
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: pheasants and deer and stuff. But then, like you said,

894
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: a lot of it lays down. Do you think that

895
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 1: we can find do you think there could be like

896
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 1: a middle ground where we would use would plant some

897
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,760
Speaker 1: of that, but then do solid strips of the switch

898
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: grass along edges and then do the circles throughout to

899
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: make the blocks of switch throughout. But then the insides

900
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: and kind of everything else be this mixture of different

901
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 1: kind of basis cover. Like you said, so you'd want

902
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:45,359
Speaker 1: about swift grass and the problem is with a lot

903
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 1: of the plantings for other wildlife species. Is there coming

904
00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: in and they're planting with a tractor over a ten

905
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: acre field and they're just laying it down. They're not

906
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: putting any more steps to it than that. This is

907
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: like taking that and putting it on steroids. So those

908
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: pockets of herbaceous growth, you can plant pheasant mixes in them.

909
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: I prefer natural. So the problem with a lot of

910
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 1: any pheasant mix out there is that the cover is

911
00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: down during October, November, December and you have nothing and

912
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:17,680
Speaker 1: so not only do not have cover, you don't have food.

913
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: So allow those mixes. You have a percentage of food

914
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: and they're in forbes and forages and flowers, but then

915
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: that's all gone during the most lean times in the

916
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:29,239
Speaker 1: year when the animals needed the most soul. At the

917
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: same time, though, that upland mix, whether you're planting the

918
00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:36,160
Speaker 1: pheasants the pheasant mixes in some of those pockets, and

919
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,720
Speaker 1: you're leaving some of those pockets to early successional growth

920
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: the forms of woody stem and regeneration tree shrubs. I

921
00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: think you can actually have an incredible combination with the

922
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: next step of work, where you establish that switch grass

923
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: and all that yellow, and then you're establishing those diversity

924
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,120
Speaker 1: pockets within that switch grass. Now you've taken it to

925
00:49:57,160 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: a step that no one plants around to or as

926
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: far as you're coming in with machine or they're doing

927
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 1: large operations, because they're not going to take the time

928
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: to go out there and establish these pockets. And so

929
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,720
Speaker 1: they're putting in a blend. And that blend is good

930
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 1: for brows, good for covered during the summer, but then

931
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: it's almost all gone during the winter, and so you

932
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: want to establish the best of both worlds, so you're

933
00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 1: you need to separate that. So you're putting on switch

934
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 1: grass for high cover, and then you're putting those pockets

935
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 1: in the form of hidden within that switchgrass. You can

936
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: have those pollinators, you can have clover of offa flowers. Grasses.

937
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 1: I'm not a big fan of various grasses because, for example,

938
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 1: they'll put in a CRP mix and gon have big

939
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 1: boost and we bloos and Indian grass switchgrass. But if

940
00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: switchgrass is only pound and a half breacre and it's

941
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: only a small percentage of that planting, then it's all

942
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,839
Speaker 1: laid down in November December. So people say, well, yeah,

943
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 1: that's diversity. But just more grass is not diversity. Some

944
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: more grass. So the thing you're talking about with pollinators

945
00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:07,200
Speaker 1: and shrubs, freees, soft maple, red maple seeds, box elder seeds, um, clover, alfalfa,

946
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 1: And you can see a lot of the areas you

947
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: moat around here, there's clover and alfalfa coming into it,

948
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 1: and that's what's in that base. So there's a lot

949
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,280
Speaker 1: of really good stuff that can come in that switch grass.

950
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: And so then you have that blend where you don't

951
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: have the cover lane down. That switch grass is so important.

952
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: You create that edge that is so critical. And right

953
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: now you have such a diverse parcel. And we talked

954
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,720
Speaker 1: about earlier. Just real quick, you look at the outside

955
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: of your border and then you look at the inside

956
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: edge changes doesn't matter if it's food plot, egg fields,

957
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: swampland hardwoods, cuttings, hinge, cut edge. He looked at all

958
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,799
Speaker 1: those edges. Your edge on the inside should be five

959
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 1: to ten times more than your total edge on the outside. Now,

960
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:52,320
Speaker 1: when you create pockets like this in switch grass, I

961
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 1: mean you're gonna be twenty times or you're outside the

962
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: flip side of that. Just for understanding is if you

963
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,720
Speaker 1: have a hundred sixty are hardwood, it's all even aged.

964
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,879
Speaker 1: You don't have any edge other than the outside edge,

965
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 1: and that's a very very poor wildlife. Might be really

966
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: good timber and timber value, but what I find is

967
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:16,280
Speaker 1: high timber value is the opposite of high wildlife value.

968
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: So you're creating those edge with those pockets, and if

969
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,240
Speaker 1: you do that, you should have the most pheasant, most

970
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: rabbits um, the most diversity in the area, which attracts

971
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: all kinds of birds. So much there there's been a

972
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: lot of yeah, there's been a lot of research to

973
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: this back that up like edge equals great wildlife habitat

974
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: anymore edge you can have the war diversity, diversity and

975
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 1: edge is like silky It seems like for everything. Were

976
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: some of your best white til areas out west and

977
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: then on public land it's probably not some giant big field.

978
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 1: It's yeah, I know you've gone through some water, and

979
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:54,320
Speaker 1: so water and lowland um creates edge and diversity, and

980
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: then you go up into the uplands, you're creating all

981
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:58,560
Speaker 1: these different and around here in Michigan, let's face it,

982
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: I mean, you have a pretty hilly property for southern Michigan.

983
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: And there's areas where extremely flat you can go two

984
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: ft in Michigan and that's a ridge in some some areas. So,

985
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: but even then the type of trees that grow down

986
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: in the ash swamp down below and tag alder and

987
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: then you go up two feet and all of a

988
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: sudden you're in a hard maple and soft maple and

989
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:21,919
Speaker 1: maybe a white pine or two different Jordan's uh hunter

990
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: hunter digging around on Snapchat or something over there? What

991
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 1: what year old? I know? Oh man, the things he's

992
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: been doing over the last ten days or so, just

993
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: scars hunter things. Uh, do you guys have any questions?

994
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,440
Speaker 1: Like you're hearing all this? Yeah, I mean so like

995
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: with I was just I was intrigued today while you're

996
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: walking around just picking it apart. Because this is a

997
00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 1: piece of property that Mark just picked up a few

998
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 1: months ago, hasn't been farmed in two growing growing season.

999
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: What would like a typical timeline be, Like if you

1000
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: were to come in and just kind of flip this

1001
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: to how you want it to be for hunting. Obviously

1002
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: we've kind of got a late start on it this year,

1003
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: but like, where would you set your expectations? You know,

1004
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: for like this hunting season compared to next hunting season,

1005
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: just as far as you know what's growing and like

1006
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 1: kind of where what you expect as far as like

1007
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: the number of deer and quality kind of because obviously

1008
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 1: the deer are going to find the food if there's

1009
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 1: food here. But is this something with it being kind

1010
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 1: of like the first season, are you just kind of

1011
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: like hopeful that you know, some of this stuff will

1012
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,120
Speaker 1: kind of get working and you can kind of tweak

1013
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: your plan or do you kind of know ahead of time,

1014
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:38,279
Speaker 1: like in five years, you know, all this stuff will

1015
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: kind of fall into place, so you know when it's

1016
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,279
Speaker 1: all relative depending on the area, how many deer, the

1017
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: age structure. That's what the cameras will tell you. Especially

1018
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,920
Speaker 1: over the food. UM, if you keep that unpressured food,

1019
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: that's golden, So that'll tell you exactly what you have

1020
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: in the area. Mix scrapes off to the side, good

1021
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,000
Speaker 1: camera locations, and I mark camera locations in black here

1022
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: on the final picture of little black dots and you'll

1023
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,560
Speaker 1: see on their they're on the entrance exit. UM. But

1024
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: that's proposed for next year, so I have a lot

1025
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,600
Speaker 1: of clients, UM December January. If I were already starting.

1026
00:55:08,080 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 1: I have clients through April next year, not that every

1027
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: month is full, but I'm you know, I have an

1028
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: appreciable amount. I know where I'm at um in through May,

1029
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: even with flying trips, and so people want me December

1030
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,919
Speaker 1: January from March April because they can get a start

1031
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 1: on it for the entire season. And so we'll we'll

1032
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: take a property that as long as the people are engaged,

1033
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 1: you know, going back to the questions and and being

1034
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: there um for this type of wrap up. But if

1035
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: they were willing to do the work, then typically take

1036
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,880
Speaker 1: a property that someone might have worked on five eight years.

1037
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: And the cycle I see is the first year they

1038
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,800
Speaker 1: bought it was the best. They start putting food plots

1039
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: on habitat improvements in by year three they're starting to

1040
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 1: create a nocturnal herd because they haven't managed the level

1041
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: of attraction of those habitat improvements. So now they're creating

1042
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: a situation where they're attracting every year in the neighborhood

1043
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,919
Speaker 1: they come on the property, they bookem off and then

1044
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 1: by year five or six, not only are they not

1045
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,360
Speaker 1: seeing the box that they were that were nocturnal in

1046
00:56:06,440 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 1: year three, now they're not even on the land because

1047
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 1: they just avoid the properties. You find those four or

1048
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,880
Speaker 1: five six year old bucks really come off on the

1049
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:16,040
Speaker 1: flip side. I'll go to property like that that's been

1050
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:19,439
Speaker 1: you know, their their experience of diminishing return each year,

1051
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: and it has to do with hunting pressure, alignment of

1052
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:27,560
Speaker 1: habitat improvements. So you change the alignment. You make sure

1053
00:56:27,600 --> 00:56:29,839
Speaker 1: that their access is such like we're gonna do here,

1054
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: so that you're not spoken deer. And so now they

1055
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: get on and off the property that was spoken deer.

1056
00:56:35,600 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 1: Any food plots they have, you shrink, eliminate, move. If

1057
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: they're setting themselves up for spoken deer, you make sure

1058
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: they're not hunting on those foodpots over and over again

1059
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: and spoken in the year you're trying to never spoken deer.

1060
00:56:45,800 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 1: So all property that they've been working on eight years

1061
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:50,600
Speaker 1: and they've had that diminishing return, they put thousands of

1062
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: dollars into improvements, and just in one summer it completely

1063
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: flips it back around where they had their best hunting

1064
00:56:58,120 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 1: in the first year. The deer can change in one year.

1065
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:03,719
Speaker 1: They what they're reacting to his hunting pressure. And I

1066
00:57:03,719 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: don't believe from year to year now they might a

1067
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: big box line that they can see and they can

1068
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: you know, I like boxes to pass a hundred yard test.

1069
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:13,600
Speaker 1: If you can't see it from a hundred yards or

1070
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,960
Speaker 1: more than, it's pass the test. If you can see

1071
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:19,200
Speaker 1: it from three d yards away, it doesn't pass the task. Um.

1072
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,960
Speaker 1: But so you're hiding your your access, you're hiding your hunting,

1073
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: and boy, it's amazing what can happen. So then what

1074
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: you're doing is, yeah, you might have to grow a

1075
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: buck herd, meaning that even on sixty acres you're taken

1076
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:38,400
Speaker 1: um thirty seven or forty seven acres you're putting in

1077
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:40,560
Speaker 1: that core area, you might be able to hide a

1078
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: two year old or three year old or a couple

1079
00:57:42,520 --> 00:57:45,320
Speaker 1: that just rotate around enough that they spend a higher

1080
00:57:45,320 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 1: percentage on your property. So and then for that they

1081
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: have a higher percentage that they're going to live and

1082
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: make it to the next year. So the more box

1083
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,000
Speaker 1: you have, you end up getting. I would say you're

1084
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: still here six seven years away from the potential of

1085
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: the buck herd, but as far as the hunting potential

1086
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: and aligning everything up the way you want, you know,

1087
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: this year, you know there's food plots and locations that

1088
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't you know, I wouldn't recommend for next year,

1089
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: but they have to be hidden now so we don't

1090
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: have that switch grass. But once you have forty inch

1091
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 1: high switch grass next year, then next year, that foundation

1092
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: a movement is set and the potential of bucks that

1093
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: are already here to me you can target. And so

1094
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: I never look at it like let's wait six years

1095
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: and hunt. I look at it like if a three

1096
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: year old is the best deer on the property, a

1097
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: couple of them, then go for it. And for that

1098
00:58:32,840 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: you probably have five or six two year olds around.

1099
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:36,200
Speaker 1: You'll advance even more of those in the next age

1100
00:58:36,240 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 1: class the next year, and pretty soon within a couple

1101
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: of years you're targeting four year olds and then the

1102
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: occasional five year old it's yere, and that's probably what

1103
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: you're potential is here, and that would be by year three.

1104
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: And then your full true potential of really passing on

1105
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: a couple of four year olds to get that nice

1106
00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 1: five year old six year old that might be around

1107
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,680
Speaker 1: is is within reaching that year four or five, six.

1108
00:58:58,720 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: So but you established a foundation and you change everything around,

1109
00:59:01,200 --> 00:59:04,080
Speaker 1: you make the deer her daylight on your land. You

1110
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: can do that in one summer. I really, I've seen

1111
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: that over and over and over again, and it doesn't

1112
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 1: take it. And if you consider that access, hidden access,

1113
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:18,480
Speaker 1: hidden food sources, and developing that quarter in the middle,

1114
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: if you take care of those things, then you'll have

1115
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,120
Speaker 1: that that daylight heard if they're if you don't have

1116
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,120
Speaker 1: the food to support the cover, then why you're gonna

1117
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: have a daylight, you know, daylight movement, they'll food focus

1118
00:59:30,160 --> 00:59:32,880
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And so that food is really important, important

1119
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:36,640
Speaker 1: and private land, and that that establishes that foundation. Back

1120
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: to UM, back to the fields. I'm still stuck on

1121
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: that a little bit, just as it was the execution

1122
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:52,040
Speaker 1: of it. What would be UM the actual order of operations?

1123
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: So would you come in and you would drill in

1124
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,120
Speaker 1: your switch grass and then after or do we go

1125
00:59:59,880 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: to go in and drill in our pollinator mix first

1126
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,800
Speaker 1: and then come in and drill switch grass over top

1127
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:08,080
Speaker 1: of it in the circles we want? Like, how do

1128
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: we actually do that? I find the best way to

1129
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: do it is you can do it either way. Either

1130
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:17,240
Speaker 1: go in right now in the fall, and you the

1131
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 1: best ways you can go in there and disk up

1132
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: those pollinators, pollinators. I call them diversity pockets because they

1133
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: might have pollinators. They might you know, it's um natural

1134
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: as best. But um, you can disk those in first

1135
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 1: or which I'd probably recommend the pockets like that. Um,

1136
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: you can disk those anytime. September is a great time

1137
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 1: if you have time. At mid September, the deer aren't

1138
01:00:39,880 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: going to spook away from your The bucks shouldn't be

1139
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,000
Speaker 1: here anyway. So to go in there and turn a

1140
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,280
Speaker 1: lot of those pockets to dirt and soil and get

1141
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,240
Speaker 1: it down to soll. Now when you go in the

1142
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:51,640
Speaker 1: following year tomorrow, next spring, then you can spray those

1143
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:56,160
Speaker 1: areas and you know, make sure the weeds are down. Um,

1144
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,720
Speaker 1: you can spray pre emergent on the switch grass areas

1145
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: of simosine and then you can go back in. And

1146
01:01:02,160 --> 01:01:05,480
Speaker 1: so what you're doing is you're defining a difference. You know,

1147
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: you're killing these pockets or killing the pockets and tilling

1148
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: the switchgrass. I wouldn't advise that because then you're exposing

1149
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: yourself more. You want to leave some of this weed

1150
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 1: growth through on the outside that at least establish a

1151
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: little bit of protection this year. UM. But so I

1152
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: would go in and disc up those areas of pockets,

1153
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:25,920
Speaker 1: and then next year you have a definite difference of

1154
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 1: habitat going into the spring from the dish areas from

1155
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: this year and the area you're gonna spray for switchgrass

1156
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: next year. So then you're you're establishing there's just going

1157
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,400
Speaker 1: out there. I mean, be like a drunken sailor. It

1158
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter the shapes, there's no You don't want circles,

1159
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 1: you don't want squares. I mean, just um, I I'm

1160
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: I can't stand um. So if you want something straight

1161
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 1: on your property, you might put straight rows of pines

1162
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 1: and spruce on the outside for access. Straight means no wildlife,

1163
01:01:56,920 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: and so whether shrubs, conifers, any kind of plant thing,

1164
01:02:00,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: you don't want straight lines, food plots, um. These diversity pockets,

1165
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: just trying to match them to the lay of the land. Um.

1166
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: If there's a steep face, leave it alone. If there's

1167
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: a pocket in the bottom, you know, make a shape

1168
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:14,440
Speaker 1: in it that matches that elevation. Maybe go up on

1169
01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: a knull go twenty ft away, go twenty yards. It

1170
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:19,880
Speaker 1: really doesn't matter. It's the point is you're trying to

1171
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: diversify that entire field. So yeah, it might look kind

1172
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 1: of cool when someone flies over and look like a cheatah,

1173
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: you know, years from now, but you're making it grow

1174
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: like an upland mix. Now, we went to that area

1175
01:02:30,360 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: on your property where you had the um. There's a

1176
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:38,440
Speaker 1: really good mix of big blue stem, red ceedar, autamala,

1177
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 1: there's a big oak in there. So there's a lot

1178
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 1: of diversity in that area, and you see the deer

1179
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:43,360
Speaker 1: relating to that, and you want to kind of put

1180
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: that diversity inside those pockets. Not necessarily autumnal of not

1181
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: necessarily a red seedar, not necessarily oaks, not necessarily a

1182
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:53,200
Speaker 1: big blue stem. It's all the above and whatever you

1183
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,000
Speaker 1: can get to grow in there and fill it in

1184
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: the one thing that really you know, grass doesn't really

1185
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:00,960
Speaker 1: help you too much other than it's pretty. Let's not

1186
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: cover food less a switchgrass. The switch grass isn't food either,

1187
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: So what about the ah the switch grass along the edge,

1188
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: slid switch grass along the access edge? Right? And that

1189
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 1: how wide of a strip of solid stuff do we

1190
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: need for it to be effectives as your block as

1191
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: your screen. So I would establish the betting pockets that

1192
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: are in brown. I would establish your food plot lines

1193
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 1: and then everything else to the outside would be just

1194
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,040
Speaker 1: pure switch crastion. And you want that because that's going

1195
01:03:32,120 --> 01:03:35,440
Speaker 1: to completely insulate your movements around the property and the

1196
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,280
Speaker 1: value of that and being able to get in and

1197
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,400
Speaker 1: out around well planet food plots and diversity blend on

1198
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: the inside diversity pockets is incredible around here because you're

1199
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: looking at in the the other picture that has white

1200
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: lines with the arrows kind of pointing out. Yeah, so

1201
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 1: that the current cover that can hold deer is that

1202
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,640
Speaker 1: middle section the swamp what'd you guys call it the

1203
01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 1: the gored chips. So you see the arrows and white line.

1204
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: Once you established those betting areas and those food sources,

1205
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,680
Speaker 1: that's that new area where should be able to hold deer,

1206
01:04:09,320 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 1: and that solid yellow around it is what gives you

1207
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 1: the ability to hold deer in those areas because you

1208
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,960
Speaker 1: can get in and out without ever spoken deer. Ye.

1209
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 1: So if you look, I mean, you're I would say,

1210
01:04:24,480 --> 01:04:28,720
Speaker 1: out of your land if you include that um you're

1211
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:34,000
Speaker 1: now looking at instead of what the land you're now

1212
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: bumping that up to the land is all deer cover

1213
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,320
Speaker 1: all the time. And let's face it, even going into

1214
01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:44,600
Speaker 1: some of that solid switch outside the food plots outside

1215
01:04:44,600 --> 01:04:47,600
Speaker 1: the betting areas, you're gonna have some deer use, but

1216
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 1: by the time you get to the outside access, there's

1217
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: no food in that switch grass, which is why you

1218
01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: want solid And so now you're making it so the

1219
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: further you get to the hunter access, so less likely

1220
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: there are to be deer bedded in and around that

1221
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: hunter axis. And because you're making long, straight line access

1222
01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 1: routes that you don't like, they don't like roads, they

1223
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: don't like straight two tracks, they usually move across them quickly.

1224
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 1: That's kind of the idea of what you want on

1225
01:05:12,280 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: that outside whether you're grinding it out through the swamp

1226
01:05:14,680 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 1: with a rotary cutter on a bobcat down on the

1227
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 1: bottom or or on the south side, or you're just

1228
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: grinding it out along the top of the switchgrass, just

1229
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: long straight roads. That's another reason there shouldn't mean deer

1230
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:30,520
Speaker 1: bedding along that access. There might be deer bedded halfway

1231
01:05:30,680 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: or you know, a quarter of the way to that access,

1232
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: and that expands that bedding and effective core area in

1233
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:37,680
Speaker 1: your land. But by the time you get to your

1234
01:05:37,720 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: hunter access, it really shouldn't be a lot of deer.

1235
01:05:40,280 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: So we've got what now looks like, you say, kind

1236
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:46,640
Speaker 1: of a funky butterfly shape almost with a swamp right

1237
01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,680
Speaker 1: in the middle, and then a ragged butterfly wing extending

1238
01:05:50,840 --> 01:05:52,760
Speaker 1: off to the left and the right of the swamp.

1239
01:05:53,400 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: That's our new expanded core area that will have cover

1240
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:00,919
Speaker 1: bedding and then these food plots on the outside edges

1241
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:04,560
Speaker 1: of it. Right What's what's the next thing you're thinking

1242
01:06:04,560 --> 01:06:07,320
Speaker 1: about when you're designing this. So once we have the

1243
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 1: food sources established, and then once we establish where we're

1244
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: gonna actually bed deer and hold deer, in fact, those

1245
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: betting pockets, the further we can extend dear to the

1246
01:06:18,400 --> 01:06:21,880
Speaker 1: east or west within those pockets and right up next

1247
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 1: to that food those are gonna be the Doe family groups.

1248
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: They can take a lot less stress pressure. So you're

1249
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,680
Speaker 1: taking Doe family group movement that's along the edge of

1250
01:06:29,680 --> 01:06:31,880
Speaker 1: the swamp right now, on either side east or west

1251
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,800
Speaker 1: or in the center. You're expanding those well out into

1252
01:06:34,800 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: the grass around the edge, and that frees up your

1253
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:40,640
Speaker 1: entire swamp and the edge for box. I'm going through there,

1254
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:42,439
Speaker 1: and I'm looking in that brown here in the middle

1255
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: of the swamp, and I'm saying you know that swamp.

1256
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,760
Speaker 1: We walked down into it. There's all kinds of growth

1257
01:06:47,800 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: in there. There's good low brush cover. The only thing

1258
01:06:51,880 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: I could say that when proven there you have rush

1259
01:06:53,960 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 1: in there, whether it's willow, tag alder, automolive, whatever it

1260
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,520
Speaker 1: might be. There's a cherry in their chope jerry, so

1261
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: whatever it might be in there. There's areas where deer

1262
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: are not using because there's so many stems that can't

1263
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:12,360
Speaker 1: actually even get in there. And so those are the

1264
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 1: areas that and this is the last ten percent because

1265
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 1: your swamps probably already h six or seven out of ten.

1266
01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:22,320
Speaker 1: So this is when you have time, like during the

1267
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: winter or next winter. Then you could go in there

1268
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:27,280
Speaker 1: and you'll find some high spots in the middle of

1269
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: a lot of that growth because they're all centering around

1270
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: a lot of the highest spots and the wettest spots

1271
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: are not growing. Just go in there and clean them

1272
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: out with the chainsaw and make it so deer can

1273
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,520
Speaker 1: actually get into those pockets a cover that are twenty

1274
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 1: ft diameter circles right now that can't be utilized by deer,

1275
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: so they're betting around the edge. And I'll take that

1276
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:45,080
Speaker 1: highest spot in the middle, clean it out and those

1277
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:47,440
Speaker 1: deer will really appreciate it. Give him a few three

1278
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 1: or four easy in and outs. And I'm just so

1279
01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. You go to a twenty ft diameter

1280
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 1: circle of brush and you spend ten fifteen minutes on

1281
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 1: it with one other person, help them clear brush and

1282
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 1: move on to the next one. This is me spend

1283
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: hours on open it up. Yeah, And and you have

1284
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,440
Speaker 1: so much low brush in there and cover you do

1285
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: not need to go in there and hinge cut anything.

1286
01:08:08,480 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 1: You know, any of your trees are there, just leave them.

1287
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,840
Speaker 1: There's not a lot. I mean, what's the percentage of

1288
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,080
Speaker 1: standing vertical trees in their timber? It might only be

1289
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:18,880
Speaker 1: And what is there is pretty small. Yeah, yeah, it's

1290
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: a lot of garbage. Now, box seller, any box seller

1291
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 1: in there, I would hinge. They hinge really well, they're

1292
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 1: they're already leaning in one way, so it's a safe hand.

1293
01:08:27,560 --> 01:08:29,800
Speaker 1: You put a back cut on it, but waist high.

1294
01:08:29,840 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: It hits the ground and then it grows a roll

1295
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: of box seller and then you can actually the deal

1296
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,519
Speaker 1: will feed all the way along that line. So any

1297
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: box seller, UM not a bad idea to cut that down.

1298
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: I also the offense rolls that are an oranger. Yeah,

1299
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 1: so we didn't talked about that hole on one second.

1300
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: Sorry for those who are switching, we're switching through pictures now.

1301
01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: There's a photo here that has numbered red dots. Those

1302
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,280
Speaker 1: are stands that will get to eventually. But just referencing

1303
01:08:58,280 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: these of fence or as you should see the giraffe

1304
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:03,599
Speaker 1: looking color yellow and brown. You've got the green lines.

1305
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: Now you're gonna see black. Brown was at core area

1306
01:09:06,600 --> 01:09:09,479
Speaker 1: in the middle. We're talking about just opening up pockets.

1307
01:09:09,520 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: That's a low priority because you know that those fields

1308
01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:14,600
Speaker 1: right now during the hunting season there's zero out of

1309
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: ten for cover and holding ability. We're trying to make

1310
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,800
Speaker 1: those in eight or nine or ten out of ten.

1311
01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:21,479
Speaker 1: That brown's probably already a six or seven out of ten,

1312
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:24,759
Speaker 1: So it's a very low priority. Yeah, very low priority.

1313
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: Bought box selld um the only thing. You have a

1314
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: lot more cover than there's food value in there. But

1315
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 1: you have more cover than food and that's why i'd

1316
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: be a six or seven. So if you have box

1317
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 1: seller in the edge and they're just tipping them over

1318
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: and letting them regenerate, that would that would give a

1319
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: good supply of fall and winter food. So now we've

1320
01:09:40,680 --> 01:09:42,880
Speaker 1: got this big brushy fence for I was like split

1321
01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 1: up these fields across the farm. And they're pretty nice.

1322
01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: They've got I mean, they're relatively thick. They provide a

1323
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 1: visual barrier for part of the year. There's a lot

1324
01:09:49,960 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: of cherries, there's some oaks and some parts of them. Um,

1325
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:56,519
Speaker 1: there's even some good box selder. There's some box elder.

1326
01:09:56,640 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 1: So so what we're gonna tell us about the fencers.

1327
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: What I like about those fence rolls, Um, they're they're

1328
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:06,479
Speaker 1: traveling east and west. And those fence rolls would end

1329
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 1: up being that are marked in orange right smack dab

1330
01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 1: in the middle of your bedding areas and early successional

1331
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:18,559
Speaker 1: growth pockets, pollinator pockets, switch grass bedding areas. I find

1332
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: that dear love to bed and islands of trees and cover,

1333
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 1: and those are right adjacent to stand locations. So to me,

1334
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: a very good opportunity to look for any box seller

1335
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,759
Speaker 1: or junk cherry, junk timber. You have some beautiful timber

1336
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: in there. There's some really good oak cherry. So I

1337
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:42,040
Speaker 1: would look at the junk timber and if it's hingeable

1338
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:47,000
Speaker 1: size waist high below waist high cutting and six inch

1339
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 1: and six inches in diameter, unless then I would look

1340
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 1: for opportunity to hinge cut that into your established switchgrass

1341
01:10:53,920 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 1: to provide sunlight into those areas to regenerate. Also expand

1342
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,160
Speaker 1: the fence rolls into more the wood lots, and and

1343
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 1: and you're making those cuttings so the trees fell perpendicular

1344
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 1: to the fence rows so that you're not blocking off

1345
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: deer from going in and out of the fence. Right,

1346
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna say the opposite. I thought you're gonna try

1347
01:11:12,120 --> 01:11:14,120
Speaker 1: to block off the whole fence rows so they have

1348
01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:16,360
Speaker 1: to pass through with your stand locations. But you're saying

1349
01:11:16,360 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: the opposite, Dude, open it up so it feels more

1350
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: porous to then they get it out. But here's the

1351
01:11:21,240 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: here's the kicker. You can have a trail that goes

1352
01:11:24,240 --> 01:11:26,439
Speaker 1: right through the center of all that and ends at

1353
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:29,519
Speaker 1: your stand location, so that's the t Then you block

1354
01:11:29,600 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 1: it off between your stand location and the te and

1355
01:11:33,479 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 1: and so you're utilizing those pockets. Great spot for a

1356
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:40,360
Speaker 1: buck to slip through, come hit a water hole in

1357
01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 1: the one fence roll or being right in front of

1358
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,640
Speaker 1: the stand locations, and then turn left to right and

1359
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:45,680
Speaker 1: go out in the food plots, and then you have

1360
01:11:45,720 --> 01:11:48,479
Speaker 1: mocked scrapes there. So you're giving him the opportunity to

1361
01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:50,439
Speaker 1: come through in a bunch of browlers and cover. You're

1362
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:53,960
Speaker 1: expanding those little wood lots overgrowing fence rows. You're giving

1363
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: that tunnel through the middle that he can easily walk through.

1364
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,600
Speaker 1: You don't want any overhead constructions, things that are going

1365
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,760
Speaker 1: to fall in. There's generation happening on both sides along

1366
01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:03,880
Speaker 1: with food. And then he comes to that t he

1367
01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,680
Speaker 1: can turn left or right, go to mocks grape, go

1368
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: to food source. He doesn't even have to enter the

1369
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 1: food plot. And if you notice the line I have

1370
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,719
Speaker 1: around the betting pockets on the outside corners of the green,

1371
01:12:14,240 --> 01:12:16,519
Speaker 1: that's that line that I'd like to him to be

1372
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 1: able to go right around the outside of the betting

1373
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: pockets and diversity pockets and come right back into your

1374
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: food plot. And now you've given him a line that

1375
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:27,439
Speaker 1: he can actually scent check, because he'd rather go to

1376
01:12:27,479 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 1: the outside and downward edge of all that cover and

1377
01:12:30,160 --> 01:12:33,000
Speaker 1: creation that you're that you're installing in the form of

1378
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,479
Speaker 1: those betting pockets, pollinary pockets and hidden in the swoot

1379
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,599
Speaker 1: grass now you're giving him a betting or cruising line

1380
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 1: that you could just moll make it three or four

1381
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: ft wide, and he'll follow that, and now he can

1382
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: scent check everything on the inside. He's on the downward edge.

1383
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:52,120
Speaker 1: You're on that same downward edge, but you're blowing your scent.

1384
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: You know, if you look at stand number five right there,

1385
01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: you would still have over a hundred degrees that you

1386
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:02,040
Speaker 1: could blow your your scent and really not get into

1387
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,439
Speaker 1: that line of movement. So you're looking at there, you

1388
01:13:04,439 --> 01:13:07,400
Speaker 1: could get a west northwest wind, west southwest wind and

1389
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 1: anything west, more edge and more lines for him to

1390
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: and again nothing is extending awful land, which you talked

1391
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 1: about earlier to deer going to filter off the land,

1392
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,760
Speaker 1: but you want to make it a slow filter. So

1393
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 1: if you're putting everything parallel to your borders, all your

1394
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: improvements are somewhat parallel to your borders. They come out

1395
01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: of the land, they turn left or right. You're monopolizing

1396
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,559
Speaker 1: the time that they're on your land during the daylight,

1397
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:36,760
Speaker 1: and then they slowly filter off to your neighbors after dark.

1398
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:39,200
Speaker 1: That's the same in the morning when they come onto

1399
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,200
Speaker 1: your property. They're not just running right back into the

1400
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: bedding cover. They're slowly filtering. They're feeding on the food

1401
01:13:44,200 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: plots a little bit. They're slowly filter on your land.

1402
01:13:46,560 --> 01:13:50,759
Speaker 1: So when you come to stands ten, nine, eight, even

1403
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: seven or three, it might be instead of a hurt

1404
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:57,200
Speaker 1: of deer coming back into that bedding area right at daybreak,

1405
01:13:57,640 --> 01:14:00,559
Speaker 1: you're shooting a nice box, mature box because it's the

1406
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 1: back end of the movement, meaning those doors are out

1407
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:05,559
Speaker 1: in the field somewhere and bedded down. You're shoot him

1408
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,040
Speaker 1: in two hours after later, an hour and a half after.

1409
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,599
Speaker 1: Do it the slow filter. I like that you're creating

1410
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: the depth of cover, which is a do you guys

1411
01:14:14,040 --> 01:14:19,800
Speaker 1: understand that hunter Jordan's upped the cover with that hunter

1412
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,599
Speaker 1: got his sunglasses on. I think he's got his poker

1413
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: glasses on, so we can't tell if he's sleeping or not.

1414
01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:26,960
Speaker 1: He is moving every once in a a while. Yeah, yeah,

1415
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: my feet are moving, soun. But give us the rundown

1416
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,200
Speaker 1: of what that concept is just a little bit. More specifically,

1417
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,280
Speaker 1: the depth of cover is from a food source to

1418
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:43,719
Speaker 1: a screening line, two doze bedded behind that screening line

1419
01:14:44,160 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 1: to finally buck bedding. There's a certain amount of depth

1420
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,040
Speaker 1: that you need to have depending on the region. For example,

1421
01:14:49,120 --> 01:14:52,400
Speaker 1: up north um up in Michigan, northern Minnesota, Wisconsin, and

1422
01:14:52,479 --> 01:14:56,640
Speaker 1: upstate New York, there's areas where box will move from

1423
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,920
Speaker 1: betting defeating through quarters three cords of a mile a day.

1424
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: That's a depth require round tier and mixed agg. In

1425
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 1: southern Michigan, they probably lived their lives in a two

1426
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:07,640
Speaker 1: to three hundred yard window um from the beginning of

1427
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: the season to the end of the season outside of

1428
01:15:09,720 --> 01:15:11,760
Speaker 1: the rot and even then there's still tucked back in

1429
01:15:11,800 --> 01:15:14,880
Speaker 1: their bedding areas. So in the case where we have

1430
01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 1: those white lines where there's that gourd shape marsh, there

1431
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 1: might not be a hundred and fifty yards of depth

1432
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: where you are currently living. And within that hundred fifty

1433
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: yards depth with the food out in the field somewhere

1434
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: there's no cover in the fields right now, then you

1435
01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:33,599
Speaker 1: have to house do family groups, immature box and older

1436
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: box within that hundred fifty yards on average. And depending

1437
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:39,679
Speaker 1: on if there's food on the east or the west side,

1438
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:42,800
Speaker 1: now you're you're confining that down where those doors want

1439
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: to bed next to the food on the east or

1440
01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: the west that's right up on the edge of that,

1441
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:50,680
Speaker 1: you're you're providing a probably a yard wide window or

1442
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:52,519
Speaker 1: fifty yard or whatever it might be in the window

1443
01:15:52,680 --> 01:15:55,760
Speaker 1: in the middle for a box. By expanding that out

1444
01:15:56,040 --> 01:16:00,600
Speaker 1: with those white lines and taking in that portion the

1445
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,200
Speaker 1: property you could be six hundred yards wide. Go from

1446
01:16:04,200 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty to six hundred yards wide. Now you

1447
01:16:06,520 --> 01:16:08,240
Speaker 1: have that depth because when you go back in that

1448
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: middle portion, it's three hundred yards back, two hundred yards back,

1449
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:13,280
Speaker 1: and you have a pretty big window in there where

1450
01:16:13,320 --> 01:16:15,799
Speaker 1: you have dos up in the fields or on the edge,

1451
01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:18,960
Speaker 1: and then you're taking that entire gordon area over that

1452
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,559
Speaker 1: should be largely from mature box on a daily basis,

1453
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 1: just real quick, you put five acres in the middle

1454
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 1: of a forty acre parcel four hundred forty yards by

1455
01:16:27,680 --> 01:16:30,760
Speaker 1: four hundred forty yards, stick a five acre field in

1456
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:33,439
Speaker 1: the middle. That means that from the edge of that

1457
01:16:33,479 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 1: food plot to the edge of the land there's only

1458
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,280
Speaker 1: about a hundred and fifty five yards of depth all

1459
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 1: the way around there. So on a forty acre parcel,

1460
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 1: if you're six five acres in the middle, you're left

1461
01:16:41,680 --> 01:16:44,760
Speaker 1: with hundred fifty five yards of depth relating to four

1462
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:48,320
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards, so very poor depth to cover ratio.

1463
01:16:48,920 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: Take twenty acres. Put that five acres on the south

1464
01:16:52,240 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: end of a rectangle of twenty acres. Now you have

1465
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,840
Speaker 1: three hundred thirty yards of depth going from the north

1466
01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 1: side of that food plot all the way to the

1467
01:16:59,360 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: north side of the lane. And that twenty parcel, if

1468
01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 1: I was looking at parcels to buy, would be far

1469
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,400
Speaker 1: far more valuable than that forty if I couldn't change

1470
01:17:07,400 --> 01:17:09,960
Speaker 1: food plot location, because in that twenty I could get

1471
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 1: three thirty yards of depth that would be two twenty

1472
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: yards wide, and I can establish doozen fons, young bucks,

1473
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 1: and then older box back up in the three d

1474
01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:22,360
Speaker 1: yards away. That cover ratio three yards to four forty

1475
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: is a really good cover ratio. And if you look

1476
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:27,040
Speaker 1: at this land mark, I think across the top it's

1477
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 1: probably a half mile wide. So if you're looking at

1478
01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: in some of those areas, I think you're gonna have

1479
01:17:32,400 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 1: corner to corner, side to side, you're gonna have six

1480
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:37,000
Speaker 1: to seven yards of depth within their food plot on

1481
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,160
Speaker 1: the outside. And so a very very effective depth ratio.

1482
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: If you look at eight yards wide the widest and

1483
01:17:43,400 --> 01:17:46,559
Speaker 1: you're getting six to seven hundred yards in places, that's

1484
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 1: a very effective depth um depth and cover of depth ratio.

1485
01:17:51,400 --> 01:17:56,840
Speaker 1: And so when you just to reiterate or to break

1486
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: it down a little bit simpler, the biggest thing the

1487
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,280
Speaker 1: depth of cover allows you to do if we're focusing

1488
01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: on our hunting goals, is that if we have a

1489
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:09,680
Speaker 1: greater depth of cover, it opens up the possibility for

1490
01:18:09,720 --> 01:18:12,439
Speaker 1: there to be more buck betting, more spots for mature

1491
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 1: bucks to hang out, because you're allowing there to be

1492
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 1: that space on the back end. They need that back

1493
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 1: because right the mature bucks typically in a bed further

1494
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,320
Speaker 1: away from the food than the doughs. So if everything

1495
01:18:23,400 --> 01:18:26,400
Speaker 1: is crammed in a hundred yards, all those doughs are

1496
01:18:26,479 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 1: right there, then the bucks that have to be directly

1497
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,040
Speaker 1: behind that and there's not a whole lot of space.

1498
01:18:30,160 --> 01:18:32,080
Speaker 1: You might one two year old buck a three year

1499
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:33,840
Speaker 1: old buck and they're like, I'm not no other bucks

1500
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,960
Speaker 1: go on to take up shop there. And at the

1501
01:18:35,960 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 1: same time, if and that's where it gets in the

1502
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 1: complexity not to open another can of worms, but if

1503
01:18:41,160 --> 01:18:45,920
Speaker 1: you well, when you when you add a lot of

1504
01:18:45,960 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 1: summer food and you create a lot of high stem count,

1505
01:18:49,439 --> 01:18:52,600
Speaker 1: thick cover on your land, including the diversity pocket switchgrass.

1506
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:55,600
Speaker 1: Now you create the perfect fawning conditions because you have

1507
01:18:55,880 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 1: high quality summer food and high quality fall winter food.

1508
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: The dos just crave for their summer funding grounds. So

1509
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 1: you can actually create an excessive amount of dose on

1510
01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:09,320
Speaker 1: your land to call the dough factory to where you

1511
01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,280
Speaker 1: can imagine if you don't have a lot of depth

1512
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 1: and does and fawns take a lot more pressure than

1513
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: the mature box, you can easily And this is what

1514
01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 1: I see in that progression of property. We have diminishing

1515
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:21,680
Speaker 1: return as all of a sudden, five years later their

1516
01:19:21,720 --> 01:19:24,640
Speaker 1: properties overrun eighty acres and they have forty dos and

1517
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:26,439
Speaker 1: fawns on it, and they have ten acres of food

1518
01:19:26,479 --> 01:19:28,920
Speaker 1: and a lot of good cover, but no box because

1519
01:19:28,960 --> 01:19:31,839
Speaker 1: there's so much stress. And then and then they've those

1520
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,000
Speaker 1: doughs have taken up that entire depth of cover you know,

1521
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:37,640
Speaker 1: on the land, so there's really no room, literally no

1522
01:19:37,800 --> 01:19:41,160
Speaker 1: room left for mature box. And in those properties, you

1523
01:19:41,240 --> 01:19:46,400
Speaker 1: have average hunting during the rout and outside the rut

1524
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,160
Speaker 1: unless you have a bunch of standing food in December.

1525
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:51,559
Speaker 1: You have really poor hunting the rest of the time

1526
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: because those box are staying off your land, their non

1527
01:19:54,360 --> 01:19:56,080
Speaker 1: core box, they don't come into the middle of night

1528
01:19:56,200 --> 01:19:58,200
Speaker 1: or the rut, and you get a ten day window

1529
01:19:58,200 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 1: to hunt and outside of that, a good property to

1530
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,920
Speaker 1: me when you have effective depth, when you have balanced

1531
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 1: sex ratios, and you have those mature box that are

1532
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 1: coming on your land in mid September two October, then

1533
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 1: that's the type of property you should be a hunt

1534
01:20:12,080 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: from opening day to the end of the hunting season

1535
01:20:15,439 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 1: and have a realistic chance at a mature buck that

1536
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,599
Speaker 1: you're targeting on the land and by chipping away at

1537
01:20:22,640 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 1: them preserving that core area, then to me, you have

1538
01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,639
Speaker 1: a very high likelihood that you will shoot him at

1539
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,559
Speaker 1: some point during the season because you're maintaining a property

1540
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,439
Speaker 1: that allows him to stay on the land and invites

1541
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:34,880
Speaker 1: him to the land to stay. And then it all

1542
01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,120
Speaker 1: goes back to that depth. And you know, of course,

1543
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: if you're pressuring your food plots, that's not going to happen.

1544
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:41,559
Speaker 1: If you're pushing your betting areas, it's not going to happen.

1545
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: But when you're putting it all together, it goes back

1546
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:48,599
Speaker 1: to Jordan's question about um, you know this really doesn't

1547
01:20:48,600 --> 01:20:51,839
Speaker 1: take that long because most areas of the white tail habitat,

1548
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 1: anywhere they roam, the habitat provements are over pressure. There's

1549
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: two many doughs. It's it's hard to manage. And so

1550
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 1: we've worked on these fence rows. We've opened them up.

1551
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:04,920
Speaker 1: We already have our diversity pocket. Since that we have

1552
01:21:04,920 --> 01:21:07,760
Speaker 1: our food plot creating our butterfly shape and its great

1553
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:12,360
Speaker 1: depth of cover of protected area all throughout the inside. UM.

1554
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 1: I also see you put in a couple of recommended

1555
01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:16,240
Speaker 1: water holes. Yes, I want to talk about that a

1556
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 1: little bit. Why why water holes? Why they're water holes

1557
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:23,360
Speaker 1: are incredible, especially during the road. Everyone thinks about water

1558
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:27,560
Speaker 1: during the summertime, but during the summertime there's so much herbaceous,

1559
01:21:27,640 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: so much green growth, soybeans, alfalfa, that deer the moisture

1560
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 1: requirements that they need are met by what they eat.

1561
01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 1: So a lot of times we'll see you like we'll

1562
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 1: have a camera on a water hole and this is

1563
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:42,759
Speaker 1: going back fifteen years where we'd get eight hundred pictures,

1564
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:45,160
Speaker 1: have been sitting for six weeks and it's one of

1565
01:21:45,200 --> 01:21:49,320
Speaker 1: those lantern desile. Remember the lantern batteries that used to

1566
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 1: use for the first digital cameras and m pretty cool

1567
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,000
Speaker 1: because we you know, we graduated from thirty six exposure

1568
01:21:57,040 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 1: film and now all of a sudden we can get

1569
01:21:58,360 --> 01:22:01,040
Speaker 1: several hunter pictures. So we came back and there's foss

1570
01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:02,200
Speaker 1: to go through. It was an awesome thing and it

1571
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:05,120
Speaker 1: took a while to go through, and we'd find that

1572
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 1: from August September even early October that the majority of

1573
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,320
Speaker 1: those pictures on the water hole we're in the evening,

1574
01:22:12,439 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 1: let's say seven out of eight hundred and and then

1575
01:22:15,960 --> 01:22:18,080
Speaker 1: very few pictures in the morning coming back, and it

1576
01:22:18,160 --> 01:22:22,240
Speaker 1: was because those dear bedded dry all day and they'll

1577
01:22:22,320 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: hit that water on the way to their afternoon green

1578
01:22:24,760 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: food source, so they're thirsty all day. There's really if

1579
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 1: there's if these deer are bedded dry, they're not gonna

1580
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: go out of their way a hundred yards, go down

1581
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:33,200
Speaker 1: to water, get it, and then go back to their

1582
01:22:33,200 --> 01:22:36,120
Speaker 1: food source in the evening. What's really interesting is we

1583
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 1: put a camera and we've had cameras and water holes

1584
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:41,080
Speaker 1: for many years, is that they had the bucks will

1585
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:42,679
Speaker 1: hit him here and there, They hit him in the evening.

1586
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,320
Speaker 1: But where the action really heats up is the end

1587
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 1: of October at the bucks will tell you when the

1588
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:50,400
Speaker 1: pre rod starts, because all of a sudden, you're getting

1589
01:22:50,400 --> 01:22:52,599
Speaker 1: pictures at nine o'clock in the morning, eleven o'clock, one

1590
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:56,160
Speaker 1: o'clock in the afternoon, because they're moving and so they're thirsty,

1591
01:22:56,479 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: and that's where the water holes come in, so you're

1592
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:02,600
Speaker 1: you're using water rules in mock scrapes, I recommend a

1593
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,559
Speaker 1: mock scrape at every stand location. I love the mock

1594
01:23:05,640 --> 01:23:08,519
Speaker 1: vine scrapes. I love the vertical scrapes over the horizontal scrapes.

1595
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:14,519
Speaker 1: I've been using them for years. Um but that combo

1596
01:23:14,760 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 1: of water hole, mock scrape or mock scrape itself really

1597
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:20,799
Speaker 1: defines a lot of movement in front of those stand locations.

1598
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to push any scent company. I

1599
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:25,200
Speaker 1: don't use any scent. In fact, I urinate on the

1600
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:29,120
Speaker 1: scrapes myself, and and that's the start them in July.

1601
01:23:29,240 --> 01:23:31,479
Speaker 1: But we find the bucks in the deer all dear

1602
01:23:31,520 --> 01:23:34,120
Speaker 1: will hit them all year long. When you have those

1603
01:23:34,200 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: established vertical scrapes in the right in the middle of

1604
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:40,240
Speaker 1: the trail. I like the vertical hanging about waist high

1605
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:45,840
Speaker 1: because then the does grapevine or something grape vine, if

1606
01:23:45,880 --> 01:23:50,280
Speaker 1: that's native and natural to the land. Um up north,

1607
01:23:50,320 --> 01:23:55,000
Speaker 1: you might look at trees that deer commonly rub and

1608
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 1: they prefer to rub. And so jack pine up north,

1609
01:23:58,320 --> 01:24:01,200
Speaker 1: awesome jack pine branch three cores of an inch to

1610
01:24:01,240 --> 01:24:04,719
Speaker 1: an inch five ft long, and you want that weight

1611
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: so that you can rub the preorbital glands you want

1612
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: it for. Fawns does in all box, so all the

1613
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:13,040
Speaker 1: years that go by keep accumulating their scent on that branch. Um.

1614
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,200
Speaker 1: Beach trees, beach tree branches, beach tree rubs are very common.

1615
01:24:18,200 --> 01:24:22,280
Speaker 1: Poplar or aspen rubbed all the time. The only thing

1616
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 1: about popular aspen, it's cheaper. Wood doesn't last as long.

1617
01:24:25,120 --> 01:24:28,040
Speaker 1: I like a vine because it's flexible last for long.

1618
01:24:28,120 --> 01:24:33,280
Speaker 1: The jackpinal lasts for a really long time. Um. Oh, hemlock,

1619
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:35,599
Speaker 1: hemlock in some areas. It's out in New York recently,

1620
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,519
Speaker 1: there's some really good hemlock stands out there, some really

1621
01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:40,400
Speaker 1: good rubs in them. And so we took a hemlock

1622
01:24:40,479 --> 01:24:42,960
Speaker 1: branch and put it down over a mock scrape that

1623
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,679
Speaker 1: we made um when I was out there. So hemlock

1624
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:49,360
Speaker 1: is another well rubbed tree. So if it's well rubbed.

1625
01:24:49,680 --> 01:24:52,720
Speaker 1: Then it's one. It's a oak, you know, white oak,

1626
01:24:52,920 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: really good. UM. So there's a lot of if you're

1627
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: noticing that they're rubbing, you could use like sumac for example,

1628
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,519
Speaker 1: but max an early season rubbing tree or bush whatever

1629
01:25:03,520 --> 01:25:06,679
Speaker 1: it's classified is but that um breaks apart and dries

1630
01:25:06,720 --> 01:25:11,920
Speaker 1: out quickly. So if you're thinking oak, hemlock, jack, pine,

1631
01:25:12,439 --> 01:25:17,519
Speaker 1: and then vines they last the longest. Vine. We have

1632
01:25:17,600 --> 01:25:19,920
Speaker 1: one right now. I shot a buck and if you

1633
01:25:19,960 --> 01:25:23,280
Speaker 1: look at I think it's like mocks scrape results. If

1634
01:25:23,320 --> 01:25:26,439
Speaker 1: you look that up on Google, UM, it shows we

1635
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 1: talked about putting the mock scrape in two thousand fourteen.

1636
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: UM later that gun season, I have a picture of

1637
01:25:31,880 --> 01:25:34,360
Speaker 1: a nice buck taking a nose dive right in front

1638
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: of the camera, right at the mock scrape, and you

1639
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:38,400
Speaker 1: can see me my little orange dot up in the

1640
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 1: right hand corner. And then um, but that that scrape

1641
01:25:43,200 --> 01:25:46,240
Speaker 1: is still there today. The branch has lowered like ten

1642
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,800
Speaker 1: ten ft. It's a big box seller. UM. But that

1643
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:52,400
Speaker 1: that would that be it's I can't even think right

1644
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: now the fifth or sixth year that that mock scrape

1645
01:25:56,240 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: is in use. It's cut in half. The deer cut

1646
01:25:58,560 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: in half. They were stay ending two years ago. Now

1647
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:04,479
Speaker 1: the vines right in their face. We need I need

1648
01:26:04,479 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 1: to position on a different branch. But it's just been

1649
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 1: there so long, I can't stand moving it. Um And

1650
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,080
Speaker 1: you were saying too, and it's something that I just

1651
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: thought I out haven't put any thought too. But they'll

1652
01:26:13,400 --> 01:26:17,240
Speaker 1: like those vines. They'll hit them, like way earlier than

1653
01:26:17,280 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 1: you think, every every month of the year, and so

1654
01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,120
Speaker 1: we go out. We started typically in July with a

1655
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 1: rake or a stick or a boot, and we just

1656
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 1: rough it up and you'll find they'll start hitting it immediately.

1657
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:34,519
Speaker 1: New scrapes we put out in July. Um, I have

1658
01:26:34,760 --> 01:26:37,000
Speaker 1: I have a mock scrape playlist on my YouTube channel.

1659
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,599
Speaker 1: There's probably sixteen I think it's sixteen uh um scrape

1660
01:26:41,680 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: videos and even some recent as we put a new

1661
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,679
Speaker 1: early July. I was hoping you met there's a series

1662
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: of songs you like to listen to. Yeah, that's what

1663
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:54,600
Speaker 1: I was thinking. But yeah, I know it's uh that

1664
01:26:54,600 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 1: that playlist if you look on there, even the recent ones.

1665
01:26:57,479 --> 01:27:00,360
Speaker 1: We have mature box hitting new scrapes with in three

1666
01:27:00,360 --> 01:27:03,439
Speaker 1: to four days of of of really making it, putting

1667
01:27:03,439 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 1: it out and uh and creating that scrape. So always

1668
01:27:07,880 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 1: including the water hole to narrow down buck women at

1669
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,640
Speaker 1: a stand location. And by the time you're making a

1670
01:27:13,680 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 1: thin pastor that we talked about through the fence room,

1671
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 1: you're adding a mox scrape. You're adding a water hole

1672
01:27:18,720 --> 01:27:21,360
Speaker 1: if it's dry. If you're a bedded dry and they're

1673
01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 1: on the way to food, then the water holes appropriate.

1674
01:27:24,000 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: If there's water on the way to food or water

1675
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 1: in their bedding area already, then a mock scrape is

1676
01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, typically useless unless the water hole, yeah, water

1677
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:40,479
Speaker 1: holes are is typically useless, useless just because they already

1678
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 1: have that water at either one. And that's why I

1679
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:45,479
Speaker 1: don't like adding water to food plots or I don't

1680
01:27:45,520 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: like adding scrapes to food pots because it's already an attraction,

1681
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:52,320
Speaker 1: and so you're losing the attraction of the water hole

1682
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,720
Speaker 1: or a mock scrape that you could be adding right

1683
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,960
Speaker 1: directly at a stand location. Put your water holes in

1684
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:01,960
Speaker 1: sight or scrapes are essentially right. I mean they're at

1685
01:28:02,040 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 1: bow bowshot like, yeah, within bow range, yes, but the

1686
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 1: food plot is right there. It's not like keeping them

1687
01:28:07,560 --> 01:28:10,599
Speaker 1: far away from Yeah, so I'll see a food plot,

1688
01:28:10,640 --> 01:28:12,439
Speaker 1: and so that's where the thin lines are different because

1689
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,640
Speaker 1: you're putting it on food. But it's bowshot. But I

1690
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:16,360
Speaker 1: go to a lot where there's a two acre field

1691
01:28:16,360 --> 01:28:17,840
Speaker 1: and they have a scrape tree over to the side,

1692
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: and every time they go in and out of that stand,

1693
01:28:19,320 --> 01:28:22,040
Speaker 1: they spooked deer regardless of others. You know, they just

1694
01:28:22,080 --> 01:28:26,160
Speaker 1: too too large for them to be hunting without spooking. Dear,

1695
01:28:26,520 --> 01:28:28,080
Speaker 1: how big a water hole are you talking? Are you

1696
01:28:28,160 --> 01:28:30,280
Speaker 1: talking just like a little puddle or a pond or

1697
01:28:30,760 --> 01:28:33,040
Speaker 1: I really like, uh, we go back. I just look

1698
01:28:33,080 --> 01:28:34,760
Speaker 1: at a picture of my son Jake. He had to

1699
01:28:34,760 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 1: be five years old, and he's sitting over a twenty

1700
01:28:36,600 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: seven and a half gallon tank that we have dug

1701
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: down in the ground in the waters funneled into that area,

1702
01:28:43,560 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 1: and we found the twenty seven and a half gallon tank,

1703
01:28:46,680 --> 01:28:49,080
Speaker 1: plastic tank, you know, five gallon drum cut in half.

1704
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:51,720
Speaker 1: It's just not enough. We'd put a camera on a

1705
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:54,120
Speaker 1: dry in ten days, and then the deer when the

1706
01:28:54,439 --> 01:28:57,160
Speaker 1: when the use drives up, then they established a pattern

1707
01:28:57,200 --> 01:28:59,400
Speaker 1: somewhere else, and so you can't hold a pattern, and

1708
01:28:59,439 --> 01:29:00,800
Speaker 1: then it takes an other week or two to get

1709
01:29:00,840 --> 01:29:04,120
Speaker 1: their pattern back. So we're playing this roller coaster. Um

1710
01:29:04,479 --> 01:29:07,400
Speaker 1: so we found that right around a hundred gallons. For example,

1711
01:29:08,720 --> 01:29:11,439
Speaker 1: ten gallon tank from TSC costs about seventy five bucks

1712
01:29:12,240 --> 01:29:16,479
Speaker 1: and putting that in it's thirty inches deep three ft

1713
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 1: by four ft. It's a lot of digging, but that's

1714
01:29:19,200 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 1: about the amount. Like this year, our water holes m

1715
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,519
Speaker 1: and dried up, and we've just had so much rain.

1716
01:29:25,160 --> 01:29:27,479
Speaker 1: I haven't filled the water holes since I think it

1717
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:29,960
Speaker 1: was two thousand seventeen or two thousand sixteen was the

1718
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 1: last time I filled water holes because you've had so

1719
01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,439
Speaker 1: much rain. And so that is that good balance where, yeah,

1720
01:29:35,439 --> 01:29:36,880
Speaker 1: if you do have to fill them, fill them up

1721
01:29:36,920 --> 01:29:39,719
Speaker 1: in in mid October before the heat of the season,

1722
01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:42,240
Speaker 1: drive out there with a pickup, you know, come right

1723
01:29:42,280 --> 01:29:46,480
Speaker 1: into that spot and uh, those water holes are extremely effective.

1724
01:29:46,840 --> 01:29:48,920
Speaker 1: And just going in there and and filling them up

1725
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:52,120
Speaker 1: and leaving in October and leaving the machine running whatever

1726
01:29:52,360 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 1: used to take it out is a great practice and

1727
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: then you're done. You don't need to add water in

1728
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,200
Speaker 1: November during the rout. You know, that's the only might

1729
01:30:00,200 --> 01:30:01,840
Speaker 1: be the one time you add water to it, if

1730
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 1: it's for whatever reason. Very dry soo's water holes. Um.

1731
01:30:06,920 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: Now there's some machine dug water holes, you know, diameter

1732
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:15,559
Speaker 1: circle getting a bobcat in. Um. I've used pond liners

1733
01:30:16,080 --> 01:30:19,760
Speaker 1: and um they turn out very messy tarps. Now, if

1734
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 1: you dig them under the ground of foot then and

1735
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,200
Speaker 1: then you put a foot of soil, you dig your

1736
01:30:25,200 --> 01:30:28,120
Speaker 1: pond a foot deeper, put the liner down, put a

1737
01:30:28,120 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 1: foot of soil over it, tamp it down and pack

1738
01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:33,439
Speaker 1: it down. Then that that can work. But a lot

1739
01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: of times that liner starts coming up, water gets under it,

1740
01:30:36,920 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 1: heaves it up, causes holes, rips. So we we've had

1741
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:44,400
Speaker 1: a big mess before I've taken out. We actually used

1742
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,679
Speaker 1: pool liner and and took that out. It didn't leak,

1743
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 1: it was just that the edges came up, the deer

1744
01:30:50,520 --> 01:30:52,559
Speaker 1: push it over, and all of a sudden we just

1745
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 1: have a big muddy mess with fabric sticking out and

1746
01:30:55,200 --> 01:30:56,920
Speaker 1: we're on the least land and just look up bad,

1747
01:30:57,000 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 1: look like crap. So so we remove that. But yeah,

1748
01:31:01,360 --> 01:31:04,040
Speaker 1: so the tanks are a good really good quick and

1749
01:31:04,240 --> 01:31:08,719
Speaker 1: you can put those tanks within the same visual frame

1750
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:13,720
Speaker 1: as the mocks grape. That's a good question, definitely. So

1751
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:18,000
Speaker 1: typically it's either mock scrape in the foreground or the

1752
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:20,800
Speaker 1: water hole and the other ones behind it. And we

1753
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:24,280
Speaker 1: have both ways. And it's pretty cool because you'll see

1754
01:31:24,600 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 1: we run fifty video So by the time they go

1755
01:31:28,479 --> 01:31:30,360
Speaker 1: into a scrape, you'll see them start to head a

1756
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:32,559
Speaker 1: lot of times to the water hole, but they're coming

1757
01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:33,880
Speaker 1: from one or the other. A lot of times they

1758
01:31:33,960 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: hit both. The cool thing about both those all I

1759
01:31:36,760 --> 01:31:39,800
Speaker 1: mean we're talking at two minutes stop in they're off,

1760
01:31:40,320 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: So you're not putting deer in front of your stand

1761
01:31:43,360 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 1: location for a half hour. That keeps you from getting

1762
01:31:45,960 --> 01:31:49,400
Speaker 1: in and out of stand trouble. They're just moving. Now,

1763
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,400
Speaker 1: what about what do you say to this? There's one

1764
01:31:53,040 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 1: school of thought who says, don't put your trail cameras

1765
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:58,719
Speaker 1: right next to your tree stand locations because those cameras

1766
01:31:58,760 --> 01:32:03,599
Speaker 1: might spook butture bucks. Yeah, absolutely wrong. What's your argument there? Um,

1767
01:32:03,640 --> 01:32:06,000
Speaker 1: they just don't spook deer. So the problem is is

1768
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:10,719
Speaker 1: the and and we've done this week, so I've spook

1769
01:32:11,479 --> 01:32:15,439
Speaker 1: spook proof video set up. Sweet, I run ratios where um,

1770
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:17,840
Speaker 1: like last year, thirteen out of sixteen cameras we didn't

1771
01:32:17,880 --> 01:32:21,519
Speaker 1: even have a deer look at and and so when

1772
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 1: cameras are spooking deer at tree stands. Um. For one,

1773
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,000
Speaker 1: I'll say I would invite all my neighbors if you're listening,

1774
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 1: don't use trail cameras. Don't put them at your stands.

1775
01:32:33,400 --> 01:32:41,800
Speaker 1: So it's yeah, yeah, it's uh so very very easy

1776
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: to make sure that cameras are not spoken deer. Um.

1777
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:48,080
Speaker 1: For one, you put them six ft high or higher

1778
01:32:48,160 --> 01:32:50,760
Speaker 1: high and angled down. Definitely, we've been using that for

1779
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:55,759
Speaker 1: many years. Um. Also a tree wider than the camera.

1780
01:32:57,360 --> 01:33:02,559
Speaker 1: Also the profile of the camera hidden with brush on

1781
01:33:02,600 --> 01:33:08,160
Speaker 1: either side or another trunk also blackout, so the red

1782
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: eyes are horrible. The red in for it, they'll they'll

1783
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:14,439
Speaker 1: spoke dear all the time. If it's six just putting

1784
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:17,920
Speaker 1: it six ft in the air probably eliminates all spooks.

1785
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: And then you're putting them at the tree stand specifically

1786
01:33:22,000 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 1: so you don't spook dear. The reason for that is

1787
01:33:24,720 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 1: you only change your cards when you go hunt that stand,

1788
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:30,120
Speaker 1: or when you walk by from hunting another stand and

1789
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: you go in grab that. So in that case, you know,

1790
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,519
Speaker 1: on these fence roles, for example, you put a camera

1791
01:33:35,560 --> 01:33:38,160
Speaker 1: in front of your stand, you put a camera that

1792
01:33:38,200 --> 01:33:40,080
Speaker 1: you don't access from the front where the deer are,

1793
01:33:40,120 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: your access from back where your stands at, and then

1794
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,200
Speaker 1: you might have some brush in front of it. You're

1795
01:33:44,200 --> 01:33:46,680
Speaker 1: looking over a bush, whatever it might be. So you're

1796
01:33:46,720 --> 01:33:48,439
Speaker 1: just coming in from the side or behind it, and

1797
01:33:48,439 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: you're changing the card and getting out of there, and

1798
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:53,960
Speaker 1: so you're not even placing yourself in position where you're

1799
01:33:53,960 --> 01:33:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna spoke dear. So I look at it like I

1800
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:02,080
Speaker 1: did a troill cam ratio video for spooking, and that

1801
01:34:02,160 --> 01:34:03,920
Speaker 1: was a year and a half ago, and we looked

1802
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:08,400
Speaker 1: at I stated that if deer looking at your cameras

1803
01:34:09,040 --> 01:34:12,479
Speaker 1: five times out of a hundred pictures or videos or more,

1804
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:15,479
Speaker 1: there's a problem. I look at it now that it

1805
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,920
Speaker 1: should be one or less two one two at most.

1806
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:22,400
Speaker 1: And like I said, we had thirteen or sixteen cameras

1807
01:34:22,400 --> 01:34:24,880
Speaker 1: on three properties. We had thirteen out of sixteen where

1808
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,519
Speaker 1: the deer did not look at those. With thousands of

1809
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:29,880
Speaker 1: videos and picture the entire season, you can tell they

1810
01:34:29,880 --> 01:34:31,800
Speaker 1: look through it sometimes, but they're not giving it that

1811
01:34:31,880 --> 01:34:35,640
Speaker 1: stare and looking back and forth. And so definitely it

1812
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,080
Speaker 1: is a unfair advantage. If you're using the mant your

1813
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:40,519
Speaker 1: tree stands and but you can't put it on a

1814
01:34:41,160 --> 01:34:44,840
Speaker 1: you know, uh, a stick and just put it out

1815
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: in an open food plot. Those mature box will pick

1816
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:50,479
Speaker 1: those out no different than a um box line. I

1817
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,000
Speaker 1: believe Mark put one on a stick food plot. I

1818
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,160
Speaker 1: do have them on sticks of food, but they worked

1819
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: for me, Like like like, I've had success with that a

1820
01:34:56,760 --> 01:35:00,920
Speaker 1: lot and have not seen the ratio of danger. But

1821
01:35:01,400 --> 01:35:04,759
Speaker 1: I certainly can't say that they couldn't get spoof sometimes

1822
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 1: from them, and they're in spots where we're like I

1823
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 1: really like using yeah, like I really like using a

1824
01:35:12,080 --> 01:35:15,280
Speaker 1: mock scrape tree in a food plot to get those

1825
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:17,400
Speaker 1: are some of my very best locations on my farms

1826
01:35:17,400 --> 01:35:21,040
Speaker 1: to get pictures of mature bucks. And whether that be

1827
01:35:22,040 --> 01:35:24,320
Speaker 1: actual daylight usage or just like inventor, like if I

1828
01:35:24,360 --> 01:35:26,840
Speaker 1: know these deer coming through the area after dark and

1829
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:29,040
Speaker 1: then it's getting daylight and then he starts the case

1830
01:35:29,040 --> 01:35:31,080
Speaker 1: time to start moving out there. And so I've always

1831
01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 1: looked at these mocks scrape trees. For me, they act

1832
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:36,240
Speaker 1: as like structure, like bass or attracted to structure in

1833
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 1: the field. So I've used that really successfully on some

1834
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: of my Michigan spots. But you can't there's no trees

1835
01:35:41,240 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: to hang Cameron. So I've ran these stick and pick

1836
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 1: type things off the edges and gotten away with it.

1837
01:35:46,840 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 1: But you just because they're focused on that that scrape tree,

1838
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,120
Speaker 1: I think, and as long as you don't have your

1839
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:53,040
Speaker 1: camera right in view of where they're coming up to,

1840
01:35:53,640 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 1: I haven't seen trouble with that. Now. One of the

1841
01:35:56,280 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 1: things too with those like a scrape tree. So if

1842
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:01,840
Speaker 1: you have these long, thin food plots, they're defining where

1843
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,280
Speaker 1: deer come in and out of your cover. So that's

1844
01:36:04,280 --> 01:36:06,160
Speaker 1: where I put a scrape tree, and then I'd put

1845
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: a camera on that scrape tree looking down the entire

1846
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:14,040
Speaker 1: food plot, and then i'd have there's I'm thinking about

1847
01:36:14,120 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 1: my properties right now, there's only one or two cameras

1848
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:19,400
Speaker 1: where I can't shoot the camera with a bowstand front

1849
01:36:19,439 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 1: with a bow, so they're always at bow stands. And

1850
01:36:23,160 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 1: so even in case like that, I put the scrape

1851
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:26,720
Speaker 1: tree at the end of the food plot. That's where

1852
01:36:26,760 --> 01:36:28,639
Speaker 1: you're defining. You want them going in and out of cover,

1853
01:36:28,720 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: and then you have a stand location there they hunt

1854
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:33,559
Speaker 1: evening stand you know, evening hunting with when they're coming

1855
01:36:33,600 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 1: out and then I'm hunting fifty yards back or seventy

1856
01:36:37,040 --> 01:36:38,960
Speaker 1: five yards back for more of a morning position where

1857
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,280
Speaker 1: I'm waiting the deer for the deer to come into me.

1858
01:36:41,960 --> 01:36:45,040
Speaker 1: But that scrape tree is helping to serve to set

1859
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,960
Speaker 1: up that movement that you're trying to define in and

1860
01:36:47,000 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: out of the cover. Even if it's on the edge

1861
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:51,519
Speaker 1: and a long, thin food plot like that is perfect

1862
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:53,840
Speaker 1: because then if you do have that camera, you can

1863
01:36:53,840 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: look right down the edge or right down the food plot.

1864
01:36:56,280 --> 01:36:59,640
Speaker 1: And uh, and I'm talking purely like when we have

1865
01:37:00,760 --> 01:37:04,200
Speaker 1: deer that spook by cameras, it seems like almost every

1866
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: dough that comes through the area gets used to them,

1867
01:37:07,160 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 1: even if it bothers them initially. Mature bucks are a

1868
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 1: completely different story. And most people out there, they'll remember

1869
01:37:16,320 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 1: a time where they got one mature buck picture of

1870
01:37:18,840 --> 01:37:21,519
Speaker 1: a certain boker two and then that was it. And

1871
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 1: I look at it, like a lot of times I

1872
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,120
Speaker 1: see that online, you know, look at this box. It's

1873
01:37:26,160 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 1: on Instagram and they'll show a little video and the

1874
01:37:28,600 --> 01:37:31,240
Speaker 1: buck comes in and looks at the camera and you think, man,

1875
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,880
Speaker 1: I wonder how many times are gonna get a picture

1876
01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:36,599
Speaker 1: of that particular buck again? And that's it. Yeah, So

1877
01:37:36,640 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 1: speaking of all these camera locations at tree stand locations

1878
01:37:40,120 --> 01:37:42,920
Speaker 1: you showed on here some of the spots you would

1879
01:37:43,000 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 1: want to put tree stands yourself. I want to talk

1880
01:37:45,560 --> 01:37:48,759
Speaker 1: through some of these or you know what the basic

1881
01:37:48,800 --> 01:37:51,439
Speaker 1: things where you were looking at for several of these.

1882
01:37:51,960 --> 01:37:55,479
Speaker 1: UM to kind of wrap up three six here, sure, yeah,

1883
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:57,919
Speaker 1: I look at um when you look at stand locations

1884
01:37:57,920 --> 01:38:01,200
Speaker 1: five and six, UM, and you could extend that a

1885
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: little bit to seven, but definitely five and six and

1886
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: then one, thirteen and twelve those are all out to

1887
01:38:10,479 --> 01:38:14,759
Speaker 1: the extreme east or west. Those are all also very

1888
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,559
Speaker 1: important evening stands. They're all on food. They're ones that

1889
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:21,200
Speaker 1: you can get into, in and out very quickly. You're

1890
01:38:21,200 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 1: hoping box especially during the route, will follow those feeding

1891
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: lines or box in general just come out and follow

1892
01:38:26,479 --> 01:38:28,160
Speaker 1: left and right and go buy a stand location. UM,

1893
01:38:28,160 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 1: you have water holes or cameras and they'll they'll tell

1894
01:38:30,040 --> 01:38:33,320
Speaker 1: you what's going on. So those are your extreme stands

1895
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:36,479
Speaker 1: that are all evening stand related. When you get into

1896
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:43,880
Speaker 1: stand two, eleven, seven and four, those are all kind

1897
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:47,000
Speaker 1: of intermediate stands where you could say, because you have

1898
01:38:47,120 --> 01:38:50,040
Speaker 1: food that stretched out over hundreds of yards, there's a

1899
01:38:50,040 --> 01:38:52,760
Speaker 1: really good chance like opening day of both season. Here

1900
01:38:52,760 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: in Michigan on October one, you could have a box

1901
01:38:55,720 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 1: that's even on your neighbors at daybreak, comes in, follows

1902
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,960
Speaker 1: the food goes right back was covering. He's going right

1903
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,160
Speaker 1: by a stand location, And so those are during the

1904
01:39:04,240 --> 01:39:06,240
Speaker 1: rock same thing. You might have a buck that actually

1905
01:39:06,280 --> 01:39:08,080
Speaker 1: cruises all the way around and then comes back in.

1906
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,360
Speaker 1: So to me, those are the kind of stands that

1907
01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:13,400
Speaker 1: even you're in the rut um, could pass off for

1908
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 1: fairly decent morning and evening stands. Now, maybe not necessarily

1909
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:19,680
Speaker 1: in the pre rot because they're either back in their

1910
01:39:19,720 --> 01:39:21,479
Speaker 1: cover or they're moving in the morning. They're active in

1911
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: the morning and evening. Um, you might sit in that

1912
01:39:23,880 --> 01:39:27,800
Speaker 1: same stand, but when in so really good intermediate kind

1913
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,040
Speaker 1: of both both in you extend that to two, so

1914
01:39:31,160 --> 01:39:35,960
Speaker 1: to eleven four seven. Now, when you get into eight, nine,

1915
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:40,920
Speaker 1: ten and three, those are pure cover related. Now not

1916
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:44,400
Speaker 1: to say that your cameras might be telling you that, um,

1917
01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:46,880
Speaker 1: there's a possibility that there's a buck really moving around

1918
01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:49,640
Speaker 1: in there during the daylight during the rot um, but

1919
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:54,640
Speaker 1: you're establishing those stand locations as pure morning stands. You

1920
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: want to get back into ten nine eight, and it

1921
01:39:57,200 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: might be that you think there's a giant buck you're

1922
01:39:59,400 --> 01:40:02,040
Speaker 1: after that's in twelve and thirteen one two, you know

1923
01:40:02,080 --> 01:40:04,760
Speaker 1: somewhere out in there, and you really want to get

1924
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:07,360
Speaker 1: into ten or nine wait for him to come in. Well,

1925
01:40:07,400 --> 01:40:09,040
Speaker 1: you might go all the way around the property on

1926
01:40:09,040 --> 01:40:11,280
Speaker 1: the north side, down the east side, and then back

1927
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:12,800
Speaker 1: to the west. And let's face it, you know it

1928
01:40:12,840 --> 01:40:15,040
Speaker 1: sounds like a lot, but what are we talking a

1929
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:18,400
Speaker 1: fifteen minute walk? So you get into nine or ten

1930
01:40:18,439 --> 01:40:19,640
Speaker 1: and you wait for him to come back to you

1931
01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,160
Speaker 1: in the morning, and and you've gone on the outside

1932
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:24,680
Speaker 1: of where you think he's at, and so you have

1933
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: fresh you're looking towards twelve thirteen one two. You haven't

1934
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:31,160
Speaker 1: spooked anything. And so for those who maybe aren't looking

1935
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:35,640
Speaker 1: at the image here each those three different categories that

1936
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: stands went from farther to the outer edges, and that

1937
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:42,479
Speaker 1: was your your easy access evening locations where the outer edges.

1938
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 1: And then we took one step closer to the swamp

1939
01:40:44,439 --> 01:40:46,800
Speaker 1: those of those intermediate stands, and then now you're rut

1940
01:40:47,040 --> 01:40:50,439
Speaker 1: bedding cover related stands with those inside the swamp or

1941
01:40:50,520 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: just inside the edge type stands. And we're so if

1942
01:40:53,479 --> 01:40:55,679
Speaker 1: you were saying, like, if you put like a episode

1943
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:57,759
Speaker 1: and you throw a dot right in the middle of

1944
01:40:58,680 --> 01:41:01,360
Speaker 1: the swamp, that's like the the center of cover, the deepest,

1945
01:41:01,400 --> 01:41:03,720
Speaker 1: darkest tangle of the swamp, and then you're just on

1946
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 1: the edge of that slow range from that. Yeah, and

1947
01:41:06,520 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 1: then you're also like I recommended a forestry maltron, a

1948
01:41:10,400 --> 01:41:14,000
Speaker 1: bobcat something like that, and that can create that travel corridor.

1949
01:41:14,240 --> 01:41:16,120
Speaker 1: For those that don't know what that is, that's basically

1950
01:41:16,200 --> 01:41:19,559
Speaker 1: just like a supertool that car paths. Yeah, if you

1951
01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:22,639
Speaker 1: look at um, it's almost like a giant curling iron

1952
01:41:23,240 --> 01:41:27,639
Speaker 1: with carbine teeth. That's um three ft in diameter two

1953
01:41:27,680 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 1: and a half foot in diameter, goes on the front

1954
01:41:29,080 --> 01:41:32,400
Speaker 1: of a bobcat. It spins, choose up the ground, a

1955
01:41:32,520 --> 01:41:35,479
Speaker 1: chew up too, sometimes a twelve inch maple and drag

1956
01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: it down, shred it up even as the ground as

1957
01:41:38,200 --> 01:41:41,000
Speaker 1: it goes. And you could use one of those. I

1958
01:41:41,200 --> 01:41:43,400
Speaker 1: have a lot of clients that use them or have

1959
01:41:43,479 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: an operator come out for the day and they can

1960
01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:49,200
Speaker 1: make travel corridors for deer extending through that swamp that

1961
01:41:49,320 --> 01:41:53,960
Speaker 1: allow them to walk on a flat, um, treeless, shrubless

1962
01:41:53,960 --> 01:41:57,679
Speaker 1: area and you're defining where your stand locations are. First,

1963
01:41:58,400 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 1: I think that Bobcat it's gonna get stuck in that swamp. No,

1964
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,639
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Where it is right now, Yeah,

1965
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:11,120
Speaker 1: probably August or winter, And I like august um this

1966
01:42:11,160 --> 01:42:13,439
Speaker 1: time of the year right now because it's dry. It's

1967
01:42:13,439 --> 01:42:15,880
Speaker 1: the driest it's gonna be during the summer, obviously, not

1968
01:42:16,000 --> 01:42:19,519
Speaker 1: in April May project. So it man be a really

1969
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:24,760
Speaker 1: good episode if Mark was stuck in this here. Those

1970
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:28,680
Speaker 1: things there, they're tracked and they go through some pretty

1971
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 1: bad area. But I wouldn't take it in that black

1972
01:42:32,439 --> 01:42:34,439
Speaker 1: mock back there. I wouldn't take it with standing water.

1973
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:38,160
Speaker 1: But they'll they'll go through a lot, especially because you're

1974
01:42:38,240 --> 01:42:40,599
Speaker 1: using that vegetation layer and they're driving on top of it,

1975
01:42:40,680 --> 01:42:43,120
Speaker 1: and the trees are knocking down, so that's turning into

1976
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:46,919
Speaker 1: the top of the soil um And obviously you wouldn't

1977
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:48,760
Speaker 1: you would not want to use round up or any

1978
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of herbicides down there. You're you're hitting wetland grass

1979
01:42:52,120 --> 01:42:55,680
Speaker 1: and and um growth anyways. But once you kill that,

1980
01:42:55,840 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 1: you're losing the ability for the vegetation to take up

1981
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: the moisture. So you just create a beaver be very true.

1982
01:43:01,520 --> 01:43:04,880
Speaker 1: But that sets up those stand locations back there, does

1983
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:09,599
Speaker 1: we If you look at this and you look at

1984
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:12,600
Speaker 1: all the ideas you're suggesting and all the planting you

1985
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:15,920
Speaker 1: you could, and mean, we're talking thirty five acres of

1986
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 1: switch grass and a three to five acres of food

1987
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:26,480
Speaker 1: plots and multiple uh water holes and eight mock scrapes

1988
01:43:26,520 --> 01:43:29,200
Speaker 1: and thirteen tree stands, and anyone listening to this is like,

1989
01:43:29,240 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: holy smokes. Even I'm like, holy smoke. I feel like

1990
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:33,800
Speaker 1: we've done so much stuff out here already, and I

1991
01:43:33,800 --> 01:43:37,040
Speaker 1: feel like that was holy smoked. There's so much to do,

1992
01:43:37,800 --> 01:43:40,600
Speaker 1: and this is obviously working towards like an ideal situation.

1993
01:43:41,160 --> 01:43:42,880
Speaker 1: When you are looking at like this is like your

1994
01:43:42,920 --> 01:43:45,000
Speaker 1: ideal scenario, you look, you put this together like this

1995
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:48,040
Speaker 1: would be a perfect situation. Now, if a guy comes

1996
01:43:48,040 --> 01:43:53,040
Speaker 1: here and says, hey, I have got limited time and

1997
01:43:53,120 --> 01:43:58,240
Speaker 1: money and energy. If I were to do one phase

1998
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,960
Speaker 1: of this, or or if if tell me my first

1999
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,600
Speaker 1: step this year, and then every year, I'm gonna do

2000
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:04,200
Speaker 1: one small phase of this, and it's gonna take you

2001
01:44:04,240 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: ten years to get there, but every year I can

2002
01:44:06,040 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 1: do a little bit. The first thing for the first

2003
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:11,679
Speaker 1: one or two things to get started down this path.

2004
01:44:11,800 --> 01:44:14,680
Speaker 1: What's the most important first or second step? And I

2005
01:44:14,680 --> 01:44:17,800
Speaker 1: would say that's you know, went to ninety clients this year.

2006
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,040
Speaker 1: I would say that's clients. They can't do everything all

2007
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: in one year, and it's a realistic so some pay

2008
01:44:23,360 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 1: to have it done and there's a few that do

2009
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,679
Speaker 1: it um every year. They just put it all together quickly.

2010
01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:29,800
Speaker 1: I want to ask you one question the switch grass.

2011
01:44:29,800 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: How many fields do you have? How many acres of

2012
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:33,400
Speaker 1: fields you have? So I don't know the exact acres,

2013
01:44:33,439 --> 01:44:37,400
Speaker 1: but I think it's something like acres. So I would

2014
01:44:37,439 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: look at you have about fifteen acres of switchgrass because

2015
01:44:40,360 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 1: you have the diversity pockets. Then you have all the

2016
01:44:42,160 --> 01:44:46,320
Speaker 1: food pots, maybe twelve um. So that being in said,

2017
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:50,000
Speaker 1: when you just take the outside solid switch grass acres,

2018
01:44:50,479 --> 01:44:53,559
Speaker 1: you probably have six seven eight acres of switchgrass, and

2019
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:56,679
Speaker 1: that would be that outside heavy yellow. That to me

2020
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:01,040
Speaker 1: is more important than even the inside pollinating years and areas,

2021
01:45:01,080 --> 01:45:05,719
Speaker 1: because that establishes the protection of the of your property

2022
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: or access you can. Actually, that's why I started drawing

2023
01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: in the switch grass first, because let's say you make

2024
01:45:11,040 --> 01:45:13,679
Speaker 1: all that those improvements in the middle including food plots,

2025
01:45:13,680 --> 01:45:15,280
Speaker 1: and then you don't screen them on the outside with

2026
01:45:15,320 --> 01:45:17,960
Speaker 1: an effective screen, then you can't get on and off

2027
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,040
Speaker 1: your property. Now you just made your property worst. You

2028
01:45:20,040 --> 01:45:22,400
Speaker 1: turn it into a nocturnal property. So if you start

2029
01:45:22,400 --> 01:45:25,360
Speaker 1: with that switch grass on the outside, now you've established

2030
01:45:25,400 --> 01:45:27,519
Speaker 1: those walls of protection on your property that allow those

2031
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,040
Speaker 1: deer to be on the inside of your property. Even

2032
01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:33,120
Speaker 1: if the habitatal us you know, you just just a something.

2033
01:45:33,160 --> 01:45:35,960
Speaker 1: Might use an easy analogies five acres uh five acre

2034
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,719
Speaker 1: wood lot. It's all hardwood. So let's say there's varying

2035
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:41,360
Speaker 1: ages in there, and you go in and someone makes

2036
01:45:41,400 --> 01:45:44,639
Speaker 1: thirty quote buck bets, you know, betting areas on the inside.

2037
01:45:45,320 --> 01:45:49,759
Speaker 1: And but you can look into that five acres across

2038
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:54,040
Speaker 1: a half mile field that's been plowed and there's no

2039
01:45:54,160 --> 01:45:55,960
Speaker 1: security on the outside of that five acre, and you

2040
01:45:55,960 --> 01:45:57,599
Speaker 1: can look right into the middle of those betting areas.

2041
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:00,640
Speaker 1: It's not a betting are now'll do no work on

2042
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 1: the inside, but just effectively screen off the outside, whether

2043
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,479
Speaker 1: it's switch grass, conifers, hinge cutting a dirt berm, which

2044
01:46:08,479 --> 01:46:11,439
Speaker 1: I've had clients to. Now that five acres is a

2045
01:46:11,439 --> 01:46:14,160
Speaker 1: betting areas because a betting area because you've established the

2046
01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:16,160
Speaker 1: walls of protection. Now a few deer can bet in

2047
01:46:16,200 --> 01:46:18,040
Speaker 1: there and you can walk right up to that screen

2048
01:46:18,120 --> 01:46:21,919
Speaker 1: five ft away and and they're on the inside. They're protected.

2049
01:46:22,160 --> 01:46:24,479
Speaker 1: That's why it's a betting are because they're protected. Two

2050
01:46:24,479 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: acre swheels sway in the middle of with soft maple

2051
01:46:27,320 --> 01:46:29,760
Speaker 1: out on a hundred sixty acre field. You cut the

2052
01:46:29,800 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: outside edge of that and lay it down and create regeneration.

2053
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,800
Speaker 1: Let's say it was box seller do the same thing.

2054
01:46:37,040 --> 01:46:38,920
Speaker 1: The deer they're in that two acre pocket are now

2055
01:46:38,960 --> 01:46:41,040
Speaker 1: protected and you can't see and they can't see out.

2056
01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:43,920
Speaker 1: Make that all a trampoline on the inside with betting

2057
01:46:43,960 --> 01:46:46,839
Speaker 1: canopy or something which I don't I don't advocate anyways,

2058
01:46:47,240 --> 01:46:48,920
Speaker 1: the deer that are bedded in there now can see

2059
01:46:48,920 --> 01:46:50,880
Speaker 1: you approaching from a half mile away, quarter mile away.

2060
01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:54,000
Speaker 1: So that's where that yellow switch grass comes in around

2061
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:58,040
Speaker 1: the outside. The switch grass like to establish pretty easy

2062
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,600
Speaker 1: with the tools you have. You're gonna be a d

2063
01:47:00,600 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 1: dollars hundred ten dollars with chemicals per acre to establish that.

2064
01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:07,599
Speaker 1: But then you're gonna get a good solid ten ten

2065
01:47:07,680 --> 01:47:10,719
Speaker 1: years without even burning it. So it's this is something

2066
01:47:10,760 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: that you know, compared to food plot cost pretty reasonable.

2067
01:47:14,320 --> 01:47:19,240
Speaker 1: No fertilizer needed, no lime needed, so you're just getting it.

2068
01:47:21,160 --> 01:47:24,080
Speaker 1: You're important thing. No markets. You have to control the weeds.

2069
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 1: So now the inside area, those brown pockets. Let's say

2070
01:47:28,760 --> 01:47:30,599
Speaker 1: you want to do that in year two. Well, you're

2071
01:47:30,640 --> 01:47:33,040
Speaker 1: establishing the switchgrass the outside. You can go up. You

2072
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,599
Speaker 1: can just do this and layers and stops, and then

2073
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:39,720
Speaker 1: if you have the yellow now or the switch grass now,

2074
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:42,120
Speaker 1: you can establish the food plat lines. And the food

2075
01:47:42,120 --> 01:47:44,360
Speaker 1: plat lines are just a matter of killing and drilling,

2076
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:47,559
Speaker 1: so you can establish that really easy to Now you

2077
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:51,400
Speaker 1: have the whole framework of the property designed to put

2078
01:47:51,439 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: the cameras out. I'm sure you get enough cameras to

2079
01:47:54,240 --> 01:47:56,800
Speaker 1: cover these areas and these movements, and then let the

2080
01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 1: cameras tell you where to put the you know, put

2081
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: from you know, you have to climb up a tree

2082
01:48:02,160 --> 01:48:05,599
Speaker 1: and and hang from a branch somewhere. Thinking of the yellow,

2083
01:48:06,040 --> 01:48:08,320
Speaker 1: we'll refer to switch grass continually as yellow for the

2084
01:48:08,360 --> 01:48:12,599
Speaker 1: rest of the year. Um in year one, we're lucky

2085
01:48:12,640 --> 01:48:14,439
Speaker 1: to get like four ft of growth, right, So we

2086
01:48:14,479 --> 01:48:16,519
Speaker 1: talked about maybe in the year one we should use

2087
01:48:16,600 --> 01:48:22,080
Speaker 1: a supplemental annual screen to Yes, you're gonna find that

2088
01:48:22,880 --> 01:48:26,439
Speaker 1: um of solid growth around here in that first year

2089
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:28,200
Speaker 1: is going to be enough to hide you ninety percent

2090
01:48:28,240 --> 01:48:31,960
Speaker 1: of the area. Now, those food plots you put out there,

2091
01:48:32,439 --> 01:48:35,960
Speaker 1: let's say they're an average of sixty wide. Take fifteen

2092
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:39,360
Speaker 1: ft of that ten ft twenty ft of it. And

2093
01:48:39,640 --> 01:48:42,840
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna have so many deer next year

2094
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:44,960
Speaker 1: when you first established was food plots, you're starting to

2095
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 1: build that herd, invite him on the property. Then you

2096
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:51,960
Speaker 1: could take ten ft whatever you can afford of the

2097
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,559
Speaker 1: screening mix and put that on the outside edge, facing

2098
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: your access on that long, lengthy movement of the food.

2099
01:49:00,200 --> 01:49:03,840
Speaker 1: And then the next year after that switch grass the

2100
01:49:03,880 --> 01:49:07,160
Speaker 1: second year growth of six seven ft high, then you

2101
01:49:07,200 --> 01:49:09,599
Speaker 1: can take that out and convert it back to food

2102
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:12,840
Speaker 1: pot space to food pot space, so you're keeping the

2103
01:49:12,880 --> 01:49:16,240
Speaker 1: same framework everything, everything is the same. To screen the

2104
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,840
Speaker 1: food yes, yea, and then take it back for food

2105
01:49:19,120 --> 01:49:20,960
Speaker 1: on the following year because you're gonna need more food

2106
01:49:20,960 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 1: plot perfect Jordan or Hunter, any final questions. We've kind

2107
01:49:25,920 --> 01:49:28,400
Speaker 1: of covered each layer of Jeff's plan here. I like

2108
01:49:28,439 --> 01:49:30,840
Speaker 1: it a lot, it's really interesting stuff. But what else,

2109
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:34,000
Speaker 1: anything else, you guys need clarification on no I think

2110
01:49:34,040 --> 01:49:36,439
Speaker 1: I got. I mean, I'm a complete rookie when it

2111
01:49:36,479 --> 01:49:38,880
Speaker 1: comes to anything that has to do with this stuff.

2112
01:49:38,920 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 1: It's all so new to me, even though I've been

2113
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:43,200
Speaker 1: hunting deer for as many years as I have. But

2114
01:49:43,360 --> 01:49:46,400
Speaker 1: I'm just constantly shocked at the amount of layers that

2115
01:49:46,439 --> 01:49:48,760
Speaker 1: you can add to a property like this. It just

2116
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 1: kind of seems like you could just go as long

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01:49:50,920 --> 01:49:53,320
Speaker 1: as you know, there's just so many different things, even

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Speaker 1: on you know, sixty four acres here, that you can

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Speaker 1: do to really maximize what you can you know, be

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Speaker 1: able to achieve. True, it's kind of I know, it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of work. Um, a lot of the work

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01:50:07,240 --> 01:50:10,800
Speaker 1: can be completed quickly. The thing is, you know, look

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01:50:10,800 --> 01:50:13,000
Speaker 1: at it like you're establishing a foundation of a house.

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01:50:13,840 --> 01:50:16,920
Speaker 1: And you're standing you're establishing that framework of the home

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01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:21,360
Speaker 1: the people in the homer in the kitchen here, dining here,

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01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,680
Speaker 1: living room here, here's your bedrooms, and you're you know,

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01:50:25,120 --> 01:50:27,559
Speaker 1: a well laid and well thought out plan and is

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01:50:27,560 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 1: created by an architect. And make sure that you're not

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01:50:31,400 --> 01:50:33,479
Speaker 1: driving into the garage and then going through a bedroom

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01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,240
Speaker 1: in a bathroom to get to the kitchen. Um everything's

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01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,720
Speaker 1: laid out in complementary of each other, and you have

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01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:40,600
Speaker 1: the walls of protection. That's what you start with on

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01:50:40,640 --> 01:50:42,960
Speaker 1: the outside, which is a switch grass or the yellow

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01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:47,000
Speaker 1: and and so you know, once you have this set,

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01:50:47,640 --> 01:50:49,439
Speaker 1: it seems like the work would be endless, but then

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01:50:49,439 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 1: it's just maintenance. You're you're making sure the switchgrass is thick.

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01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: If you need to burn it, you burn it. The

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01:50:54,240 --> 01:50:56,000
Speaker 1: food plots are in the same location. You tweak a

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01:50:56,040 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: stand location because when you're sitting there all season and

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01:50:59,240 --> 01:51:01,080
Speaker 1: you wish it was an that tree twenty yards away.

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01:51:01,120 --> 01:51:03,800
Speaker 1: But other than that, you might change camera locations, you

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01:51:03,840 --> 01:51:05,920
Speaker 1: might move a box scrape, you repair mox scrapes. But

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01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,600
Speaker 1: other than that, it'sis maintenance more so once you have

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01:51:08,640 --> 01:51:12,519
Speaker 1: the foundation set that that's where I encourage clients to

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01:51:12,560 --> 01:51:14,960
Speaker 1: work as fast as possible because once they have it complete,

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01:51:14,960 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 1: then it's just kind of sit back in these chairs

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01:51:17,880 --> 01:51:20,679
Speaker 1: were sitting in right now. Once you break it down

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01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,360
Speaker 1: like that, it's a lot less overwhelming for a guy

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01:51:22,400 --> 01:51:24,080
Speaker 1: like me to look at a piece of property. And

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01:51:24,360 --> 01:51:26,680
Speaker 1: you know, as long as you have those basic foundations

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01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 1: down and you think about it like that, then it's

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01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:30,840
Speaker 1: you can kind of breathe a little bit easier. It's

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01:51:30,920 --> 01:51:33,240
Speaker 1: kind of like you know, as a contractor, you would

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01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:38,439
Speaker 1: you wouldn't ever have your second bathroom through a bedroom

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01:51:38,560 --> 01:51:40,559
Speaker 1: or your only bathroom to go through a bedroom to

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01:51:40,560 --> 01:51:43,639
Speaker 1: get to that bathroom, or you don't have someone walk

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01:51:43,720 --> 01:51:45,599
Speaker 1: all the way through the basement, go up some stairs

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01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 1: and go all the way back to the front of

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01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,560
Speaker 1: the house with groceries after you drive it, after a

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01:51:48,640 --> 01:51:51,040
Speaker 1: drive built and garage at the bottom. There's just certain

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01:51:51,120 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 1: things that you don't do. The certain things like that's

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01:51:53,720 --> 01:51:57,560
Speaker 1: where the perpendicular access to the stands, making the improvements

2163
01:51:57,560 --> 01:52:00,800
Speaker 1: parallel to your borders, establishing that depth to cover those

2164
01:52:00,840 --> 01:52:03,840
Speaker 1: are all really important principles that you have to follow

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01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:05,720
Speaker 1: and designing the property, and if they don't fit into

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01:52:05,760 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 1: that mold, then something else needs to be done. Because

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01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:12,600
Speaker 1: it all goes back to you're establishing this land in

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01:52:12,600 --> 01:52:15,680
Speaker 1: a core area. Houses, your food plots are just as

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01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,960
Speaker 1: much sanctuary as your betting areas. But you're establishing that

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01:52:19,040 --> 01:52:24,760
Speaker 1: those areas that is forty acres thirty acres, that's going

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01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:28,160
Speaker 1: to be the largest area in this in this region,

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01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:31,719
Speaker 1: in this area of Michigan that probably has high quality

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01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:35,599
Speaker 1: food plots, high quality betting areas, deer movement that's not

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01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:40,800
Speaker 1: pressured by hunting pressure consistently every hunting season. You're really

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01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,599
Speaker 1: trying to take the pressure out of the hunt hunter.

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01:52:44,520 --> 01:52:47,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I've learned more in the last

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01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:52,799
Speaker 1: week than I ever wanted to about deer. I'm sitting

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01:52:52,800 --> 01:52:56,439
Speaker 1: good on knowledge here to come around by the end

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01:52:56,479 --> 01:52:58,559
Speaker 1: of this year. I think we will turn him. That's

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01:52:58,600 --> 01:53:01,240
Speaker 1: my help. He doesn't have a choice, no, he hunts

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01:53:01,320 --> 01:53:09,599
Speaker 1: rock corries at this time in his life. Sorry. Well,

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01:53:09,600 --> 01:53:12,519
Speaker 1: on that note, jeff Man, we can't thank you enough

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01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,160
Speaker 1: for taking the time to do this. I mean, it's

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01:53:14,240 --> 01:53:17,680
Speaker 1: really been fun to get to see a place like

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01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:19,880
Speaker 1: this through your eyes. And you know, over the course

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01:53:19,880 --> 01:53:21,439
Speaker 1: of the last few weeks we've been able to chat

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01:53:21,479 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 1: with all these different people, and everyone has all these

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01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:25,760
Speaker 1: different ideas, and they all come to it from a

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01:53:25,760 --> 01:53:29,759
Speaker 1: different background, from a different perspective, and it's been really interesting.

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01:53:29,760 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 1: And yours is always one that I've um enjoyed and

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01:53:32,840 --> 01:53:34,559
Speaker 1: respected so much over the year, so to get it

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01:53:34,600 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: specifically on a project like this is it's just great.

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01:53:37,720 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 1: So well, I I appreciate the opportunity, and you always

2194
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:43,400
Speaker 1: have to think with this and everything you do, it

2195
01:53:43,479 --> 01:53:46,439
Speaker 1: all has to relate back to because we're all hunters,

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01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,920
Speaker 1: it has to relate back to how you would hunt

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01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:52,000
Speaker 1: mature box on the property. So if you're making improvements,

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01:53:52,160 --> 01:53:55,320
Speaker 1: if you're putting those improvements in areas that do not

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01:53:55,439 --> 01:53:58,160
Speaker 1: allow you to hunt the property as a predator and

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01:53:58,200 --> 01:54:01,400
Speaker 1: get in and out with a high level of mature

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01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 1: buck hunting potential, then you're setting yourself up for failure.

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01:54:07,160 --> 01:54:12,160
Speaker 1: Sol I come from that, that hunting background, and and really, um,

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01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: you that has to be applied. I mean you've you've

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01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:17,759
Speaker 1: shot some nice box. Um you found it on public

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01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:20,639
Speaker 1: land too and done really well. And so you think

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01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:22,800
Speaker 1: about how you would hunt on public land. There's a

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01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:24,559
Speaker 1: lot of private land I go to. I'd rather hunt

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01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:27,400
Speaker 1: public land because it's such a mess that it's not

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01:54:27,439 --> 01:54:30,040
Speaker 1: gonna allow mature buck to move around during the daylight

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01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,120
Speaker 1: and feel safe on that property. So all has to

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01:54:32,120 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: go back to that. And I think if you think

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01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 1: of that in every situation, what would have mature buck do? This?

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01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:42,720
Speaker 1: Will this exposed mature box? Then that really answers a

2214
01:54:42,760 --> 01:54:45,360
Speaker 1: lot of your questions. It's going to be very interesting.

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01:54:46,160 --> 01:54:49,640
Speaker 1: It's such a weird property for me and like just

2216
01:54:49,960 --> 01:54:52,160
Speaker 1: a having like so much wide open space to work

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01:54:52,160 --> 01:54:53,840
Speaker 1: with and be actually being able to work with stuff.

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01:54:53,880 --> 01:54:55,640
Speaker 1: I'm so used to just being stuck with what I've

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01:54:55,680 --> 01:54:59,040
Speaker 1: got and then adapt to that that it's been like

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01:54:59,080 --> 01:55:01,959
Speaker 1: a bizarre Then We've had a lot of other outside

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01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,120
Speaker 1: factors like influencing what we can do what we can

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01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:06,360
Speaker 1: do it, but it's been like a weird, exciting but

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01:55:06,400 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 1: weird opportunity to finally have like the to finally have

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01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,560
Speaker 1: the paintbrush and the blank sheet. Um, probably it was

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01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:14,720
Speaker 1: overwhelming this year. I was like, well I can do this,

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01:55:14,760 --> 01:55:17,040
Speaker 1: and then I kind of like threw the paint at

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01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:20,160
Speaker 1: all the possibilities. But yeah, it's a very cool thing.

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01:55:20,320 --> 01:55:23,840
Speaker 1: So with all the habitat, you know, again, going back,

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01:55:23,880 --> 01:55:26,520
Speaker 1: the lowest hole in the bucket is how the land

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01:55:26,600 --> 01:55:29,920
Speaker 1: is hunted. You can take great property, do nothing to it,

2231
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:33,440
Speaker 1: and have a really good chunk to hunt because you

2232
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:36,800
Speaker 1: hunt it well and you're using the lay of the land. Yeah,

2233
01:55:36,840 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 1: and you have to take that um into consideration. That

2234
01:55:39,960 --> 01:55:42,480
Speaker 1: really is the lowest hole in the bucket. You can

2235
01:55:42,560 --> 01:55:48,240
Speaker 1: never overcome poor hunting. Habitats with any amount of habitat work.

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01:55:48,280 --> 01:55:49,640
Speaker 1: And I think that's what a lot of people do.

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01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:51,440
Speaker 1: You want. I want better hunting. So I'm gonna throw

2238
01:55:51,440 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: all this these dollars in the habitat improvement, and in

2239
01:55:54,280 --> 01:55:58,040
Speaker 1: the end they're far worse off because they haven't. They've

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01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 1: ignored that gaping hole of how the properties hunted and

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01:56:02,480 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 1: how they move about the land without spooken deer. And

2242
01:56:05,640 --> 01:56:08,600
Speaker 1: so that's what you know, I'd like you to do this.

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01:56:08,760 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 1: Put this in playing, like I said, starting with that switchgrass,

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01:56:11,240 --> 01:56:15,000
Speaker 1: because that that begins to protect their property. Yeah, definitely

2245
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:18,200
Speaker 1: like that. So folks want to learn more from you.

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01:56:18,200 --> 01:56:21,160
Speaker 1: You've got a jil and resources out there where. Just

2247
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:23,120
Speaker 1: then folks to get more from Jeff Sturgis, you know,

2248
01:56:23,200 --> 01:56:26,840
Speaker 1: really um to places mostly. I mean I do filter

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01:56:26,880 --> 01:56:29,400
Speaker 1: things out through social media. Um. You know, I'm an

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01:56:29,520 --> 01:56:33,560
Speaker 1: Instagram have a big Facebook page, but my YouTube channel

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01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: wait till I have to have solutions dot com. Um.

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01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 1: You know, I I tried to have a lot of

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01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 1: conversation with people in there, tried to. Most videos get

2254
01:56:42,440 --> 01:56:44,520
Speaker 1: about a hundred comments. I try to answer them all,

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01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 1: and but I probably don't answer. I still try, though,

2256
01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,520
Speaker 1: and then my website, and so the website I'll get

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01:56:52,520 --> 01:56:55,040
Speaker 1: back to. I have over six d white tail articles

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01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:58,880
Speaker 1: on my website. I have about three videos sixty videos

2259
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:01,120
Speaker 1: something like that on YouTube. On YouTube, I have a

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01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 1: lot of playlists covering almost every category of everything we've

2261
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:07,600
Speaker 1: talked about, even daylight, movement of box and trail cameras, UM,

2262
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:12,200
Speaker 1: switch grass, betting areas, whatever it might be. UM. So

2263
01:57:12,320 --> 01:57:14,360
Speaker 1: even if you just sat interested in one portion, you

2264
01:57:14,360 --> 01:57:16,400
Speaker 1: can go to a playlist and I'll have ten to

2265
01:57:16,600 --> 01:57:19,680
Speaker 1: thirty five videos, depending on which playlist it is. But

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01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:24,280
Speaker 1: between those two, UM, you know, I you know that'll

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01:57:24,280 --> 01:57:26,920
Speaker 1: cover most areas. So I really appreciate it. You know,

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01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:30,080
Speaker 1: I honored to have you come out. I know we've

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01:57:30,160 --> 01:57:33,040
Speaker 1: talked a lot in the past and senior property up

2270
01:57:33,080 --> 01:57:35,800
Speaker 1: north with your father, and you know you've you wrote

2271
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:37,640
Speaker 1: the forward for my food plot book. I think that

2272
01:57:37,680 --> 01:57:42,480
Speaker 1: was two four, So that's going back a little way.

2273
01:57:45,160 --> 01:57:47,800
Speaker 1: I'm getting old. I don't think you are. I'm feeling

2274
01:57:48,480 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: but yeah, no, I I appreciate it, and this has

2275
01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 1: been fun. I love your property. Um. There's a lot

2276
01:57:54,680 --> 01:57:57,120
Speaker 1: of good properties out there that have great diversity, and

2277
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,200
Speaker 1: that's you have edge diversity, low Land Highland, a lot

2278
01:58:01,240 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 1: of fields that you can carve out and make instant

2279
01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:08,360
Speaker 1: uh wildlife attractions. And it's not all about the white tales.

2280
01:58:08,400 --> 01:58:09,840
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me that after you put

2281
01:58:09,840 --> 01:58:12,400
Speaker 1: some sweachgrass in lines, you're hearing roosters out here and

2282
01:58:12,440 --> 01:58:14,120
Speaker 1: seen a lot of rabbits on the field, to be

2283
01:58:14,200 --> 01:58:17,360
Speaker 1: very excited birds and everything else. I'm very excited to

2284
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,280
Speaker 1: see this continue to evolve over the next couple of years.

2285
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:24,720
Speaker 1: So Jeff, thank you. Everyone. Make sure to check out

2286
01:58:24,720 --> 01:58:26,840
Speaker 1: his YouTube channel on the website. Lots and lots of

2287
01:58:26,840 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 1: good stuff. The books are all incredibly helpful. I've a

2288
01:58:29,920 --> 01:58:31,520
Speaker 1: lot of the things I've learned over the years. I've

2289
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:35,000
Speaker 1: definitely learned from Jeff and uh, maybe in a year

2290
01:58:35,000 --> 01:58:37,040
Speaker 1: to come back out and let us know how we're doing. Yeah,

2291
01:58:37,200 --> 01:58:40,680
Speaker 1: that sounds great, Mark, I really appreciate it. And that

2292
01:58:40,840 --> 01:58:43,400
Speaker 1: is all for us today. Thank you for tuning in,

2293
01:58:43,480 --> 01:58:45,160
Speaker 1: and like I mentioned at the top, if you want

2294
01:58:45,200 --> 01:58:47,960
Speaker 1: to see the imagery that we discussed in this podcast

2295
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:50,760
Speaker 1: with Jeff, make sure check out the Wired Hunt Facebook

2296
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 1: or Instagram. Otherwise. Appreciate you. Thanks for listening. I hope

2297
01:58:55,960 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: you're getting after some postseason projects already and until next time,

2298
01:59:00,360 --> 01:59:02,520
Speaker 1: Stay wired to h