WEBVTT - D23 Recap & Top 25 X-Men 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:04.160 On today's episode, we are reacting to the Marvel D 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:08.240 twenty three panel as well as ranking our top twenty five. 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:09.560 X men will. 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.960 Hello, My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy night, 0:00:27.160 --> 0:00:29.080 and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:31.360 dive deep into your favorite shows, movies, comics of pop 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.199 culture company from my heart, where we're bringing you three episodes. 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:36.000 A weekday last days on Saturday. 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:38.400 And guess what, guys, get a little secret news right now, 0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:41.280 because if you listen to our news episode of last week, 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:44.320 you had me doing a midnight missive on my couch 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.440 from D twenty three to make sure that we were 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:48.479 not behind on those updates. But you did not get 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:50.600 to me and Jason chop up that X Men casting. 0:00:50.760 --> 0:00:53.000 You did not get to it to us. Respond to 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.520 the Internet's response, which was, you know, notoriously terrible as always, 0:00:57.680 --> 0:00:58.960 But I'm very excited about this. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:00:59.840 I can't wait to talk about this. 0:01:00.040 --> 0:01:02.600 Of course, me and Jason have been waiting for years 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:04.600 to tell you about a top twenty five X men 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:07.559 without it being a diverudgent topic from a different movie. 0:01:07.640 --> 0:01:09.520 So yeah, this is it. Maybe. 0:01:12.319 --> 0:01:14.480 But first let's go to the headlines. And the big 0:01:14.480 --> 0:01:17.199 news from D twenty three, which is the ex cast 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.319 has been at least partially announced. We don't know how 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.160 many more people. We don't know how many more people 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:27.440 are going to be announced later on, but they did 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:31.520 announce a good core of names and it's I think 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.280 super exciting. So we already know that Sadie Sink is 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:40.479 Jean Gray. Saty Sink as Jean Gray was brought out 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:44.840 to the stage. Kid Connor announced as Scott summer Cyclops 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:48.840 that had weaked previously. Christopher Abbott is our first hot 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:52.640 Charles Xavier. Although yes, you could say McAvoy, we've had 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:53.840 a hot Charles before. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.120 I would also say the big thing here that I 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:59.000 think people are really excited about is that christ Babbott. 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:02.160 His dad is Caribbean, so this is also like our 0:02:02.200 --> 0:02:08.040 first kind of you know, person of color Charles, Charles, 0:02:08.120 --> 0:02:11.120 the first matiracial Charles that the people are excited about it. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.720 That was a big new surprise because the big rumor 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:18.720 going into this had been potentially that scar'sguard had been 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:20.560 on tap for I think that would have been about 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:21.480 a magneto casting. 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:23.480 So I can still wait for that. Chris Abbot. 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:26.799 Yeah, great, surprise Indie kind of darling one of our 0:02:26.800 --> 0:02:29.560 big we hadn't heard about it in the trades. Officially 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:31.000 castings from that night. 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.359 Samorrow Weaving am a frost that at least fantastic as 0:02:36.400 --> 0:02:37.800 Emma in a white dress. 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:38.880 She knew what she was doing. 0:02:39.680 --> 0:02:43.000 Breakout Star of Obsession, Indian Ever Ready as Roague. 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.280 Well, that was again huge because she'd actually been out 0:02:46.280 --> 0:02:49.320 there asking for mystique. We weren't sure if Kaylee Spenny 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.919 had got rogue. That we had heard that Charles Melton, 0:02:51.960 --> 0:02:54.200 her Beef Coast, had turned down Beasts, so maybe she 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:56.760 also chose to turn it down. But I love this casting. 0:02:56.760 --> 0:02:58.560 I think it's going to get the kids to the cinema. 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:01.240 I think Indy's amazing. If you haven't seen her, she 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:05.480 played a similar to Obsession role in the CW Superman 0:03:05.560 --> 0:03:08.760 and Lois Show, in which she really shone and allegedly 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.320 is where she got picked for Obsession. So yeah, I'm 0:03:11.400 --> 0:03:13.919 very excited to see her in that role. And that 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:16.040 to me also implies that we're going to get kind 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.240 of crazy superpowered death, you know, stealing Captain Marvel's powers. 0:03:20.320 --> 0:03:21.600 Rogue if you cost me in d. 0:03:24.680 --> 0:03:29.040 Maya Boid huge because not named at all as a 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:30.160 potential in the lead. 0:03:30.080 --> 0:03:33.680 Up Maya boid is o Romanroe Storm huge. I mean 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:39.200 this is our first Broadway trained storm. Very excited about. 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:43.280 This, very x Men animated ninety seven coded right to 0:03:43.360 --> 0:03:44.960 have the thespian storm. 0:03:45.120 --> 0:03:49.200 And then the big reveal Adam Driver as mister Sinister 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.960 Nathaniel Milberry slash Nathaniel Essex. I guess yes, I think 0:03:53.960 --> 0:03:56.080 we know that it's Milbury and not Essex. 0:03:56.200 --> 0:03:58.040 I think it we know that because that is what. 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.040 So the way that. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:03.240 The present went down was we all learned that clearly 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.840 Adam Driver spent the Star Wars money and they convinced 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:08.040 him to come back. And we love that because he's amazing. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:10.480 He brought so much gravitask to Kylo Ren he's funny. 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.360 But what we learned through his video where he was 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.880 on the Pinewood studios, they obviously need him there the 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:19.120 costuming or to get ready. So he was like, oh, 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:20.640 I couldn't you know? I thought I was supposed to 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.599 be here. And he was like, so I'm playing Magneto. Oh, 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:28.320 actually more exciting, I'm playing Nathaniel Milbury. Now I think 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.280 the reason he chose to say that is a because 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:32.440 the MCU loves to use like a deeper cut name, 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.960 but also because if you say Nathaniel Essex there would 0:04:34.960 --> 0:04:38.680 have been more of a response. Hilariously, my TikTok video 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:40.599 does capture me being the only one who knew what 0:04:40.640 --> 0:04:42.880 that meant, and then I spent the next hour explaining 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:46.279 to everyone else who he was who kept asking me. So, yeah, 0:04:46.400 --> 0:04:48.840 I think that's banger casting. I did not see Adam 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:51.719 Driver as Miss Magneto. That Rima was crazy to me. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:53.360 I think him as mister Sinister. 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:56.120 Is uh may Zing. Yeah, I will say Jason. 0:04:56.279 --> 0:04:58.359 To be in the room for this was pretty special. 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:00.880 It was giving hale h like the kids were excited. 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.240 I think Maya, who is also an incredible singer who 0:05:05.320 --> 0:05:08.279 we have seen in Merrily We Roll Along, and most 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:12.440 famously I think was and Juliet, and I just think 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:17.800 that this is a young, interesting cost of character actors 0:05:17.880 --> 0:05:19.400 from interesting projects. 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:22.320 It's giving phase one and that's what they needed to do. 0:05:22.839 --> 0:05:25.920 This is not like crazy stunt casting. This is some 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.320 shit is going to go down in upstate New York. 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:35.479 I am quite intrigued by what a Mister Sinister X 0:05:35.600 --> 0:05:39.200 movie could mean. And I think here are just some 0:05:39.279 --> 0:05:41.680 stray thoughts that passed through my head. Love it was 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.680 watching this reveal one. I think there's a world in 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:51.680 which Milberry and Charles. That Milbury's character kind of overlaps 0:05:51.720 --> 0:05:56.479 with comic book Moira, meaning that Charles and he are 0:05:56.560 --> 0:06:00.800 like co researchers into the mutant issue. 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:05.040 It feels like also they could be working together to 0:06:05.080 --> 0:06:09.840 try it right, get rid of Spider Man's mutant inhibitor, 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:11.599 or make something against it. 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:13.919 I feel like there's some kind of science element that 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:14.440 could I. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:17.240 Bet you it will not be that. I think, I 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:22.160 bet you it will be something like Charles is interested 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:26.760 in mutants and maybe is a in the closet mutant himself, 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.760 using his powers and fits and starts. No Cerebro yet, 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:34.640 but he's just trying to understand mutation and maybe help 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.640 young mutants like himself, like navigate the world. He meets 0:06:40.760 --> 0:06:44.080 Nathaniel Milberry or knows of him because they are partners 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:48.279 in researching the mutant issue. Milbury is running a like 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:55.359 an orphanage or some sort of state school hospital where 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.520 Scott Summers is like has come through there. That's like 0:06:59.560 --> 0:07:03.039 he would have own about him already and that the 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.520 crux of the movie again, this is just what I 0:07:05.560 --> 0:07:12.720 think it guesses, is Charles slowly uncovering that Nathaniel Milberry 0:07:13.640 --> 0:07:18.320 has a different plan going on, Yester sinister plan that 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:22.520 is too. I mean, in the comics, he's basically obsessed 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:26.800 with uniting the gray in Summer's bloodlines to create the 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:28.280 super mutant Messiah. 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:33.040 You know, it would be interesting if we met Nathaniel 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.360 Milbray as perhaps like a professor or an assistant to 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:40.920 Professor X, you know, kind of like honestly, again, Marvel. 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:41.720 Likes to reuse beats. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:43.840 It's sort of what they tried to do with Sentry 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.400 and Bob, but we all knew because of the comics. 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:49.560 I wonder if there's a version where, you know, mild 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:54.240 mannered Professor Adam Driver is a really fun comparison to 0:07:54.520 --> 0:08:00.360 completely flambuoyant, flaming mister Sinista, who's like, you know, imagine 0:08:00.400 --> 0:08:04.080 if you were the local you know, what do they 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:06.880 call it, like a school nurse. Imagine if Nathaniel Milbery's 0:08:06.880 --> 0:08:09.080 they're like taking blood, checking in on the kids the 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.040 whole time. He's that motherfucker's taking their DNA like he's 0:08:12.040 --> 0:08:12.880 melding that shit. 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.280 He's making fucking clones. 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:17.040 You know, we know they've established that there is now 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.840 an underground allegedly illegal but we know Damage Control was 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:26.160 working with the government, but Mitzger was experimenting on kids, 0:08:26.240 --> 0:08:28.360 on mutant kids like that is cannon. 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:32.440 So you know, there's many ways they could go with 0:08:32.480 --> 0:08:34.680 mister Sinister. I also think it's really clever. There have 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.880 been lots of rumors right now, will Magneto be Jewish? 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:38.760 Will they be able to continue that storyline, will they 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:41.040 be able to keep him as a Holocaust survivor? But 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.640 just skip the drama, babe, Just don't put him in 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:45.920 there right now, and wait till you get the perfect version, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.959 the perfect writer to make something special. 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:52.600 I also think there's a world in which Sinister is 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.920 behind the MCU version of Weapon X, and that that's 0:08:58.000 --> 0:08:58.960 how we That's. 0:08:58.800 --> 0:08:59.880 Why I was gonna say. 0:09:00.080 --> 0:09:03.640 Because also, if you look at the previous X Men movies, 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:06.280 right they even do one of them, I believe it's. 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.160 Like there's a future. No, I think it's apocalypse. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:11.880 Unfortunately X Men Apocalypse, the movie I do believe has 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:16.320 a tag at the end after Beautiful Santa Stark. Jean 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:21.720 Gray meets Logan Wolverine terrible choice and kind of helps 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:24.080 him and they psychically connect. At the end, there is 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.920 a tag of like a Mister Sinister, kind of a 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:31.040 Nathaniel Essex suitcase, so like this is something they've wanted 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:33.400 to do before. There are probably scripts going around, there 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.960 are probably concepts. I wonder if at any point in 0:09:36.120 --> 0:09:38.679 Logan when they were doing that stuff, they'd considered kind 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:41.720 of a grounded mister Sinister. There's so many interesting ways 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:43.880 to go with it. And also, Jason, if we think 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.600 about mister Sinister as like a mutant villain, and we 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:50.600 think about the in my opinion justified rampage of Geen 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.080 Gray and New York recently, we are establishing a set 0:09:54.080 --> 0:09:57.200 of characters who could really be fucking pissing off the 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.920 human status quo in the MCU around heroes. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.160 I also think that if if you think about it 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.360 like as a new type of Phase one launch, but 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.760 this oriented around the ex universe, Sinister could be like 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.400 the Phase one villain, with Apocalypse being the later villain 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:19.760 as you discover like, oh, how did Sinister get his powers? 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.199 Et cetera. I also think other thought, I think that 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:26.200 Rogue will start as a villain. Agree, I think she 0:10:26.400 --> 0:10:31.400 will be in mister Sinister's orbit. I also wonder if Sinister, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:38.679 in seeking to like purify the mutant bloodlines, m launches 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.520 the MCU version of a mutant massacre to kill like 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:51.440 powered mutants who were powered not by evolutionary selection. They're 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:55.840 like mutates like Deadpool, like Spider Man, and he's like, 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.480 these are impure mutants and we got to kill them. 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.240 Wow, kind of like no more mutant, Miss Marvel or something. Wow, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.240 that could be incredible. 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:06.760 Actually, Jason, I think you might be onto something there 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:09.480 because think about a great way to have Kamala be 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:11.880 in there is we know that she is both a human, 0:11:11.960 --> 0:11:14.600 she is both an inhuman and a mutant, so there 0:11:14.640 --> 0:11:18.040 is a chance where she can essentially like survive, you know, 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.440 so that she could be the one who is able 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:21.240 to do Wow. 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:24.440 I love this. I think that is really just a 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.439 great call. And also I gotta say it. 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.320 Feels weird to feel excited about the MCU again like 0:11:31.360 --> 0:11:31.920 in this way. 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:34.320 Yea, But I really I love the logo. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.600 I think it looks so different, this kind of like 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.400 down to earth, almost like Sentinel esque. Also, we got 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:42.200 to talk about it Another thing that came out at 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.040 this d twenty three was the kind of It was 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.480 essentially the trailer that we had heard about for Doomsday, 0:11:48.720 --> 0:11:50.760 but it was so much better than the ones that 0:11:50.760 --> 0:11:54.400 we had officially seen. It has the Soux Storm voiceover, 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.400 which is nice because no women talked in the last 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.000 one talking about Victor and everything. But the real reason 0:11:59.000 --> 0:12:01.560 we have to talk about this context is at the end, 0:12:02.600 --> 0:12:05.520 Victor says two things. He says, you have lived stolen lives, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.079 and now you have to give them back, which is 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:09.880 obviously our incursion. He's come to stop this kind of 0:12:10.000 --> 0:12:13.199 different version he sees because they stopped Fanos, an endgame 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:14.640 I think is going to be an issue because they 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:19.760 killed a different version of Thanos. And interestingly, the end 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.720 of the movie is he says something along the side 0:12:22.720 --> 0:12:27.360 of like oh, Thor says to him, you're gonna wish 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.720 you were in Hell once you'd gone through me or something, 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.200 and Doom says Hell stands with Doom and pulls Sentinels 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:36.000 out of the ground. 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.559 So at least in. 0:12:40.679 --> 0:12:42.960 Doomsday we are going to get a version of the 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:46.960 comics accurate Sentinels, right and they So this is again 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:49.440 another reason why I think all of this X Men 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.440 stuff is laying the groundwork, Kevin Faggy said at Doomsday 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.160 at the Doomsday trailer reveal at d twenty three, this 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.160 is the first time you'll ever see the Avengers the 0:12:59.200 --> 0:13:03.559 Fox X Men, and you know, are the Marvel heroes 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:05.640 like fighting together on screen, you know? And I thought 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:07.839 it was very specific that they were still calling them 0:13:07.840 --> 0:13:10.439 the Fox x Men. So I think I really do 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:13.440 finally believe that Doomsday will say goodbye. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:13.640 To that era. 0:13:13.920 --> 0:13:15.960 I didn't believe it because I think that this is 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.720 money for them. But I think you are right, Jason. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.920 I think your likelihood of people dying is high, and 0:13:22.000 --> 0:13:24.200 I think this is an X Men cost that is 0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.760 so solid it actually could carry the next ten years. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:30.040 Yeah, I think that. I think that if Figy has 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:35.160 a strategic plan, it's to use, as I've said before, 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.080 use Doomsday and Secret Wars as like a soft reboot 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:44.880 to kind of usher the past Avengers and cast members 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.800 off the stage in a way that like it really 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:52.320 squeezes all the juice that's left in the Orange out 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:55.400 right and then reorient the world around the X Men. 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.360 I think that there's, you know, a possibility that whatever 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:03.640 happens to the universe the timeline post Secret Wars like 0:14:05.360 --> 0:14:10.120 really accelerates mutation. Like obviously there are mutants already in 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:13.600 the world. That's happened, and Sadie Sincas Jean Gray already exists. 0:14:13.880 --> 0:14:16.800 We don't know if Charles is already here or to 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:20.880 what extent a school if it does exist in he's very. 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:25.120 Young, so right, I think whatever it is, we're seeing 0:14:25.160 --> 0:14:26.160 the baby stages. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.840 But what I'm saying is it might be that after 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:33.520 Secret Wars, suddenly the mutant issue comes to the forefront 0:14:33.640 --> 0:14:37.400 because there's so many mutants being born. 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:40.080 Now, I think you're right, let's go a little deeper 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.240 into theories because we've been waiting all this time for. 0:14:42.200 --> 0:14:42.720 The X Men. 0:14:43.600 --> 0:14:46.120 I also wonder if that could even happen at the 0:14:46.240 --> 0:14:49.280 end of Doomsday, because our current theory is like the 0:14:49.280 --> 0:14:52.440 Doomsday will end with Battleworld. Right, if you think about 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:59.960 the psychic and you know, physical impact of a thousand cities, 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:04.320 thousand universes being slammed together into a single world, that 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.360 seems like something where you could very easily argue that 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:08.119 that could. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:13.200 Enhance mutant space. Also, like this is crazy. I don't 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.880 think they're going to do this, but if they wanted to, 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:17.320 there is a. 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.960 Version where the X part of battle World is just 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:25.320 Krokoa or Genosha or somewhere when everyone is basically protected 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:29.160 empowered in a way that kind of allows there to 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:33.400 be a very hardcore mutant element. I don't think they're 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:35.280 going to do it with like a Crocoa, because I 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:37.320 think that will be another era. But I do think 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:39.000 you're right, Jason. I think there's going to be a 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:42.000 reason and a space for many more mutants. 0:15:42.000 --> 0:15:42.120 Now. 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:44.920 I will also say, remember, we know that there is 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.720 at least like a very kind of standard amount of 0:15:48.840 --> 0:15:53.640 like medium powered, like three D man level mutants because 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:54.200 of Sheehok. 0:15:54.320 --> 0:15:54.480 Right. 0:15:55.040 --> 0:15:58.400 I wonder if something happens with Secret Wars or Doomsday 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:02.920 where we essentially whatever starts the spike in mutant births 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:08.560 is also a spark in secondary mutations, because then we 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.440 could essentially say, hey, look there were Yeah, you've seen 0:16:11.560 --> 0:16:13.680 this guy who's like he can jump off a building 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:16.400 and survive. He's a skin stretchy or whatever. But in 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:19.880 the secondary mutation version, suddenly these people who had like 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.920 weird powers suddenly have great powers or scary powers or 0:16:22.920 --> 0:16:25.960 a mega level powers. I think they could do something 0:16:26.040 --> 0:16:29.680 really interesting with that, especially because we are obviously gonna 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:34.040 learn around about how mutation works alongside the MCU because 0:16:34.080 --> 0:16:35.680 we were learning about it with Bill Metzka. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.600 I think that Well, here's my other thought about Sinister 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.720 is that Sinister is not like you don't have a 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.280 big showdown with mister Sinister at the end of a 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.120 movie or a comic book arc. He's not like a brawler. 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:54.280 You're not gonna sit there and f macinator. He's a machinator. 0:16:54.320 --> 0:16:59.000 He's a planner, which is why I feel like whether 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:04.000 it's I mean, immediately my mind goes to Marauders like 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:09.480 he must he will have assembled some team of mutant killers. 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:10.240 I think. 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:13.480 I think Marauder is pretty honestly pretty safe get bet 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:16.400 because at d twenty three they had a night Crowller 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.280 in his like pirate swashbuckling era, and that's very inherently 0:17:21.280 --> 0:17:23.720 connects me to that kind of Marauder space. 0:17:23.600 --> 0:17:26.640 Which is why I think when you mentioned like from 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.240 you know, she helped these kind of like mid level 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:33.720 mutates and mutants. Again, if it is a mister Sinister 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:39.080 who wants to so in the comics, the reason and 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:40.760 it wasn't revealed for like fifteen years. 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:41.080 Mm hm. 0:17:41.440 --> 0:17:44.639 You never knew why Sinister launched the mutant massacre, and 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:46.920 then like fifteen years later, in continuity, you figured out 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:50.880 it's because like one of his acolytes stole his research, 0:17:51.359 --> 0:17:54.440 and that's how the Morlocks basically started, as like they 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:58.040 mutated because of like this stolen mister Sinister research, and 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:02.240 he basically wanted to like cleanse his IP, you know, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:05.199 like kill everybody who had stolen his bootleg stuff and 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.320 create a bootleg mutants. And so I think that there's 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.760 a world in which some of these mid range mutants 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:16.080 currently existing in the MCU were mutated with stolen or 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:22.040 bootleg and Nathaniel Millbury research, And so he launches the 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:27.119 mutant massacre to just kind of clear the decks of 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.200 I'm gonna and purify his research. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.000 I'll bate the discord go crazy with this one. 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.760 I'm gonna make you go crazy because Jason, you blow 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:35.560 in my mind because you know what the MCU does 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:39.520 not have does not have a fucking Norman Osborne. We 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:42.520 don't know who's fucking spider bit spider Man, right, we 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:45.680 don't know whose research was the research. 0:18:45.280 --> 0:18:46.640 That would be let us crazy. 0:18:46.880 --> 0:18:49.840 Like I'm not saying it's gonna be Nathaniel Milbury, but 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.080 I think now that you're talking about this idea of 0:18:52.119 --> 0:18:54.800 almost like how he was in the Krakoa era, which guys, 0:18:54.840 --> 0:18:58.000 is so fucking funny, but he was like it was 0:18:58.160 --> 0:18:58.880 very much. 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:00.960 He should do an episode where we should do an 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:04.720 episode about I mean, we could do an entire crocoa 0:19:05.200 --> 0:19:07.680 series of podcasts because there's so much to dig into. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:10.720 But I would also say a lot of what they 0:19:10.720 --> 0:19:13.040 were drawing on there was this kind of concept and 0:19:13.080 --> 0:19:18.560 throughout his history has been this concept of fun agricultural diversion. Here, guys, 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:26.040 but how corporations will create certain strains of seeds, copyright them, 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.480 and then if the seeds are blown into other farms 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.919 by the nature of the wind, they will sue the 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:36.240 farm for stealing the copyright. And I think that is 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:39.000 a really good way to look at mister Sinister and 0:19:39.040 --> 0:19:41.400 the way he sees mutant DNA is it is kind 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:44.000 of his ip that he can fuck around with. That 0:19:44.160 --> 0:19:47.120 is going to be so fun to see Adam Driver 0:19:47.200 --> 0:19:50.159 do that. Also, think about so many people sent this 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.800 to me and added me on the day that they 0:19:52.840 --> 0:19:55.560 announced this, But think about that SNL skit with Adam 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.840 Driver where he plays the undercover boss version of Kylo. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:02.760 This is a man who's actually very fucking funny. 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:05.200 If you've seen the Jim John Moush movie Dead Don't Die, 0:20:05.280 --> 0:20:08.720 He's gonna be Murray. I think the comedy chops of 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:14.080 Sinister him, mixed with the absolute ability to break your 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.600 heart when he has like that moment with his dad 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:20.400 in the first Star Wars sequel movie, Force awakens him 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.840 and hand on that bridge, you know what's gonna happen 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.960 every single time, and you still believe that he might 0:20:25.000 --> 0:20:27.800 not do it like that gravitas mixed with his comedy 0:20:27.880 --> 0:20:30.840 chops could make this a generational tiar casting. 0:20:31.240 --> 0:20:33.960 I think it's gonna be great. And if it is Marauders, 0:20:34.320 --> 0:20:36.800 because again, who do the X Men fight? Obviously they'll 0:20:36.800 --> 0:20:37.440 fight each. 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:40.159 Other and the Avengers at some point or a right. 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.040 But in this movie, who do they fight? Sinister is 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:48.440 not again, the type of villain that you have this 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:52.480 all out brall with and so I do it leads 0:20:52.520 --> 0:20:55.280 me to believe like he will have hench people and 0:20:55.359 --> 0:21:00.080 maybe that means Marders. And here's my one concern of 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:05.720 this cast, which I love. If Indy doesn't have the 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.040 Southern accent, don't force it. 0:21:09.320 --> 0:21:11.920 I think. I think it's fine. I'm not worried about it. 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.440 She's didn't have the but it's fine. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.560 You know what, She's done a CW, she was in 0:21:17.560 --> 0:21:19.600 this W for a while. She's done a bunch of 0:21:19.600 --> 0:21:22.800 different little indie movies, so I actually think she's gonna 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.240 be a bit of a chameleon. I didn't give it 0:21:25.280 --> 0:21:28.040 a try, but yeah, if it doesn't work, obviously, I'm 0:21:28.080 --> 0:21:30.920 excited to see the wigs because this is some characters 0:21:30.960 --> 0:21:35.440