Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are reacting to the Marvel D
Speaker 1: twenty three panel as well as ranking our top twenty five.
Speaker 2: X men will.
Speaker 1: Hello, My name is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy night,
Speaker 1: and welcome back to X Revision, the podcast where we
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Speaker 1: culture company from my heart, where we're bringing you three episodes.
Speaker 2: A weekday last days on Saturday.
Speaker 3: And guess what, guys, get a little secret news right now,
Speaker 3: because if you listen to our news episode of last week,
Speaker 3: you had me doing a midnight missive on my couch
Speaker 3: from D twenty three to make sure that we were
Speaker 3: not behind on those updates. But you did not get
Speaker 3: to me and Jason chop up that X Men casting.
Speaker 3: You did not get to it to us. Respond to
Speaker 3: the Internet's response, which was, you know, notoriously terrible as always,
Speaker 3: But I'm very excited about this.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to talk about this.
Speaker 3: Of course, me and Jason have been waiting for years
Speaker 3: to tell you about a top twenty five X men
Speaker 3: without it being a diverudgent topic from a different movie.
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is it. Maybe.
Speaker 1: But first let's go to the headlines. And the big
Speaker 1: news from D twenty three, which is the ex cast
Speaker 1: has been at least partially announced. We don't know how
Speaker 1: many more people. We don't know how many more people
Speaker 1: are going to be announced later on, but they did
Speaker 1: announce a good core of names and it's I think
Speaker 1: super exciting. So we already know that Sadie Sink is
Speaker 1: Jean Gray. Saty Sink as Jean Gray was brought out
Speaker 1: to the stage. Kid Connor announced as Scott summer Cyclops
Speaker 1: that had weaked previously. Christopher Abbott is our first hot
Speaker 1: Charles Xavier. Although yes, you could say McAvoy, we've had
Speaker 1: a hot Charles before.
Speaker 3: I would also say the big thing here that I
Speaker 3: think people are really excited about is that christ Babbott.
Speaker 3: His dad is Caribbean, so this is also like our
Speaker 3: first kind of you know, person of color Charles, Charles,
Speaker 3: the first matiracial Charles that the people are excited about it.
Speaker 3: That was a big new surprise because the big rumor
Speaker 3: going into this had been potentially that scar'sguard had been
Speaker 3: on tap for I think that would have been about
Speaker 3: a magneto casting.
Speaker 2: So I can still wait for that. Chris Abbot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, great, surprise Indie kind of darling one of our
Speaker 3: big we hadn't heard about it in the trades. Officially
Speaker 3: castings from that night.
Speaker 1: Samorrow Weaving am a frost that at least fantastic as
Speaker 1: Emma in a white dress.
Speaker 2: She knew what she was doing.
Speaker 1: Breakout Star of Obsession, Indian Ever Ready as Roague.
Speaker 3: Well, that was again huge because she'd actually been out
Speaker 3: there asking for mystique. We weren't sure if Kaylee Spenny
Speaker 3: had got rogue. That we had heard that Charles Melton,
Speaker 3: her Beef Coast, had turned down Beasts, so maybe she
Speaker 3: also chose to turn it down. But I love this casting.
Speaker 3: I think it's going to get the kids to the cinema.
Speaker 3: I think Indy's amazing. If you haven't seen her, she
Speaker 3: played a similar to Obsession role in the CW Superman
Speaker 3: and Lois Show, in which she really shone and allegedly
Speaker 3: is where she got picked for Obsession. So yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: very excited to see her in that role. And that
Speaker 3: to me also implies that we're going to get kind
Speaker 3: of crazy superpowered death, you know, stealing Captain Marvel's powers.
Speaker 2: Rogue if you cost me in d.
Speaker 3: Maya Boid huge because not named at all as a
Speaker 3: potential in the lead.
Speaker 1: Up Maya boid is o Romanroe Storm huge. I mean
Speaker 1: this is our first Broadway trained storm. Very excited about.
Speaker 3: This, very x Men animated ninety seven coded right to
Speaker 3: have the thespian storm.
Speaker 1: And then the big reveal Adam Driver as mister Sinister
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Milberry slash Nathaniel Essex. I guess yes, I think
Speaker 1: we know that it's Milbury and not Essex.
Speaker 2: I think it we know that because that is what.
Speaker 2: So the way that.
Speaker 3: The present went down was we all learned that clearly
Speaker 3: Adam Driver spent the Star Wars money and they convinced
Speaker 3: him to come back. And we love that because he's amazing.
Speaker 3: He brought so much gravitask to Kylo Ren he's funny.
Speaker 3: But what we learned through his video where he was
Speaker 3: on the Pinewood studios, they obviously need him there the
Speaker 3: costuming or to get ready. So he was like, oh,
Speaker 3: I couldn't you know? I thought I was supposed to
Speaker 3: be here. And he was like, so I'm playing Magneto. Oh,
Speaker 3: actually more exciting, I'm playing Nathaniel Milbury. Now I think
Speaker 3: the reason he chose to say that is a because
Speaker 3: the MCU loves to use like a deeper cut name,
Speaker 3: but also because if you say Nathaniel Essex there would
Speaker 3: have been more of a response. Hilariously, my TikTok video
Speaker 3: does capture me being the only one who knew what
Speaker 3: that meant, and then I spent the next hour explaining
Speaker 3: to everyone else who he was who kept asking me. So, yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's banger casting. I did not see Adam
Speaker 3: Driver as Miss Magneto. That Rima was crazy to me.
Speaker 3: I think him as mister Sinister.
Speaker 2: Is uh may Zing. Yeah, I will say Jason.
Speaker 3: To be in the room for this was pretty special.
Speaker 3: It was giving hale h like the kids were excited.
Speaker 3: I think Maya, who is also an incredible singer who
Speaker 3: we have seen in Merrily We Roll Along, and most
Speaker 3: famously I think was and Juliet, and I just think
Speaker 3: that this is a young, interesting cost of character actors
Speaker 3: from interesting projects.
Speaker 2: It's giving phase one and that's what they needed to do.
Speaker 3: This is not like crazy stunt casting. This is some
Speaker 3: shit is going to go down in upstate New York.
Speaker 1: I am quite intrigued by what a Mister Sinister X
Speaker 1: movie could mean. And I think here are just some
Speaker 1: stray thoughts that passed through my head. Love it was
Speaker 1: watching this reveal one. I think there's a world in
Speaker 1: which Milberry and Charles. That Milbury's character kind of overlaps
Speaker 1: with comic book Moira, meaning that Charles and he are
Speaker 1: like co researchers into the mutant issue.
Speaker 3: It feels like also they could be working together to
Speaker 3: try it right, get rid of Spider Man's mutant inhibitor,
Speaker 3: or make something against it.
Speaker 2: I feel like there's some kind of science element that
Speaker 2: could I.
Speaker 1: Bet you it will not be that. I think, I
Speaker 1: bet you it will be something like Charles is interested
Speaker 1: in mutants and maybe is a in the closet mutant himself,
Speaker 1: using his powers and fits and starts. No Cerebro yet,
Speaker 1: but he's just trying to understand mutation and maybe help
Speaker 1: young mutants like himself, like navigate the world. He meets
Speaker 1: Nathaniel Milberry or knows of him because they are partners
Speaker 1: in researching the mutant issue. Milbury is running a like
Speaker 1: an orphanage or some sort of state school hospital where
Speaker 1: Scott Summers is like has come through there. That's like
Speaker 1: he would have own about him already and that the
Speaker 1: crux of the movie again, this is just what I
Speaker 1: think it guesses, is Charles slowly uncovering that Nathaniel Milberry
Speaker 1: has a different plan going on, Yester sinister plan that
Speaker 1: is too. I mean, in the comics, he's basically obsessed
Speaker 1: with uniting the gray in Summer's bloodlines to create the
Speaker 1: super mutant Messiah.
Speaker 3: You know, it would be interesting if we met Nathaniel
Speaker 3: Milbray as perhaps like a professor or an assistant to
Speaker 3: Professor X, you know, kind of like honestly, again, Marvel.
Speaker 2: Likes to reuse beats.
Speaker 3: It's sort of what they tried to do with Sentry
Speaker 3: and Bob, but we all knew because of the comics.
Speaker 3: I wonder if there's a version where, you know, mild
Speaker 3: mannered Professor Adam Driver is a really fun comparison to
Speaker 3: completely flambuoyant, flaming mister Sinista, who's like, you know, imagine
Speaker 3: if you were the local you know, what do they
Speaker 3: call it, like a school nurse. Imagine if Nathaniel Milbery's
Speaker 3: they're like taking blood, checking in on the kids the
Speaker 3: whole time. He's that motherfucker's taking their DNA like he's
Speaker 3: melding that shit.
Speaker 2: He's making fucking clones.
Speaker 3: You know, we know they've established that there is now
Speaker 3: an underground allegedly illegal but we know Damage Control was
Speaker 3: working with the government, but Mitzger was experimenting on kids,
Speaker 3: on mutant kids like that is cannon.
Speaker 2: So you know, there's many ways they could go with
Speaker 2: mister Sinister. I also think it's really clever. There have
Speaker 2: been lots of rumors right now, will Magneto be Jewish?
Speaker 3: Will they be able to continue that storyline, will they
Speaker 3: be able to keep him as a Holocaust survivor? But
Speaker 3: just skip the drama, babe, Just don't put him in
Speaker 3: there right now, and wait till you get the perfect version,
Speaker 3: the perfect writer to make something special.
Speaker 1: I also think there's a world in which Sinister is
Speaker 1: behind the MCU version of Weapon X, and that that's
Speaker 1: how we That's.
Speaker 2: Why I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: Because also, if you look at the previous X Men movies,
Speaker 3: right they even do one of them, I believe it's.
Speaker 2: Like there's a future. No, I think it's apocalypse.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately X Men Apocalypse, the movie I do believe has
Speaker 3: a tag at the end after Beautiful Santa Stark. Jean
Speaker 3: Gray meets Logan Wolverine terrible choice and kind of helps
Speaker 3: him and they psychically connect. At the end, there is
Speaker 3: a tag of like a Mister Sinister, kind of a
Speaker 3: Nathaniel Essex suitcase, so like this is something they've wanted
Speaker 3: to do before. There are probably scripts going around, there
Speaker 3: are probably concepts. I wonder if at any point in
Speaker 3: Logan when they were doing that stuff, they'd considered kind
Speaker 3: of a grounded mister Sinister. There's so many interesting ways
Speaker 3: to go with it. And also, Jason, if we think
Speaker 3: about mister Sinister as like a mutant villain, and we
Speaker 3: think about the in my opinion justified rampage of Geen
Speaker 3: Gray and New York recently, we are establishing a set
Speaker 3: of characters who could really be fucking pissing off the
Speaker 3: human status quo in the MCU around heroes.
Speaker 1: I also think that if if you think about it
Speaker 1: like as a new type of Phase one launch, but
Speaker 1: this oriented around the ex universe, Sinister could be like
Speaker 1: the Phase one villain, with Apocalypse being the later villain
Speaker 1: as you discover like, oh, how did Sinister get his powers?
Speaker 1: Et cetera. I also think other thought, I think that
Speaker 1: Rogue will start as a villain. Agree, I think she
Speaker 1: will be in mister Sinister's orbit. I also wonder if Sinister,
Speaker 1: in seeking to like purify the mutant bloodlines, m launches
Speaker 1: the MCU version of a mutant massacre to kill like
Speaker 1: powered mutants who were powered not by evolutionary selection. They're
Speaker 1: like mutates like Deadpool, like Spider Man, and he's like,
Speaker 1: these are impure mutants and we got to kill them.
Speaker 2: Wow, kind of like no more mutant, Miss Marvel or something. Wow,
Speaker 2: that could be incredible.
Speaker 3: Actually, Jason, I think you might be onto something there
Speaker 3: because think about a great way to have Kamala be
Speaker 3: in there is we know that she is both a human,
Speaker 3: she is both an inhuman and a mutant, so there
Speaker 3: is a chance where she can essentially like survive, you know,
Speaker 3: so that she could be the one who is able
Speaker 3: to do Wow.
Speaker 2: I love this. I think that is really just a
Speaker 2: great call. And also I gotta say it.
Speaker 3: Feels weird to feel excited about the MCU again like
Speaker 3: in this way.
Speaker 2: Yea, But I really I love the logo.
Speaker 3: I think it looks so different, this kind of like
Speaker 3: down to earth, almost like Sentinel esque. Also, we got
Speaker 3: to talk about it Another thing that came out at
Speaker 3: this d twenty three was the kind of It was
Speaker 3: essentially the trailer that we had heard about for Doomsday,
Speaker 3: but it was so much better than the ones that
Speaker 3: we had officially seen. It has the Soux Storm voiceover,
Speaker 3: which is nice because no women talked in the last
Speaker 3: one talking about Victor and everything. But the real reason
Speaker 3: we have to talk about this context is at the end,
Speaker 3: Victor says two things. He says, you have lived stolen lives,
Speaker 3: and now you have to give them back, which is
Speaker 3: obviously our incursion. He's come to stop this kind of
Speaker 3: different version he sees because they stopped Fanos, an endgame
Speaker 3: I think is going to be an issue because they
Speaker 3: killed a different version of Thanos. And interestingly, the end
Speaker 3: of the movie is he says something along the side
Speaker 3: of like oh, Thor says to him, you're gonna wish
Speaker 3: you were in Hell once you'd gone through me or something,
Speaker 3: and Doom says Hell stands with Doom and pulls Sentinels
Speaker 3: out of the ground.
Speaker 2: So at least in.
Speaker 3: Doomsday we are going to get a version of the
Speaker 3: comics accurate Sentinels, right and they So this is again
Speaker 3: another reason why I think all of this X Men
Speaker 3: stuff is laying the groundwork, Kevin Faggy said at Doomsday
Speaker 3: at the Doomsday trailer reveal at d twenty three, this
Speaker 3: is the first time you'll ever see the Avengers the
Speaker 3: Fox X Men, and you know, are the Marvel heroes
Speaker 3: like fighting together on screen, you know? And I thought
Speaker 3: it was very specific that they were still calling them
Speaker 3: the Fox x Men. So I think I really do
Speaker 3: finally believe that Doomsday will say goodbye.
Speaker 2: To that era.
Speaker 3: I didn't believe it because I think that this is
Speaker 3: money for them. But I think you are right, Jason.
Speaker 3: I think your likelihood of people dying is high, and
Speaker 3: I think this is an X Men cost that is
Speaker 3: so solid it actually could carry the next ten years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that. I think that if Figy has
Speaker 1: a strategic plan, it's to use, as I've said before,
Speaker 1: use Doomsday and Secret Wars as like a soft reboot
Speaker 1: to kind of usher the past Avengers and cast members
Speaker 1: off the stage in a way that like it really
Speaker 1: squeezes all the juice that's left in the Orange out
Speaker 1: right and then reorient the world around the X Men.
Speaker 1: I think that there's, you know, a possibility that whatever
Speaker 1: happens to the universe the timeline post Secret Wars like
Speaker 1: really accelerates mutation. Like obviously there are mutants already in
Speaker 1: the world. That's happened, and Sadie Sincas Jean Gray already exists.
Speaker 1: We don't know if Charles is already here or to
Speaker 1: what extent a school if it does exist in he's very.
Speaker 3: Young, so right, I think whatever it is, we're seeing
Speaker 3: the baby stages.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is it might be that after
Speaker 1: Secret Wars, suddenly the mutant issue comes to the forefront
Speaker 1: because there's so many mutants being born.
Speaker 3: Now, I think you're right, let's go a little deeper
Speaker 3: into theories because we've been waiting all this time for.
Speaker 2: The X Men.
Speaker 3: I also wonder if that could even happen at the
Speaker 3: end of Doomsday, because our current theory is like the
Speaker 3: Doomsday will end with Battleworld. Right, if you think about
Speaker 3: the psychic and you know, physical impact of a thousand cities,
Speaker 3: thousand universes being slammed together into a single world, that
Speaker 3: seems like something where you could very easily argue that
Speaker 3: that could.
Speaker 2: Enhance mutant space. Also, like this is crazy. I don't
Speaker 2: think they're going to do this, but if they wanted to,
Speaker 2: there is a.
Speaker 3: Version where the X part of battle World is just
Speaker 3: Krokoa or Genosha or somewhere when everyone is basically protected
Speaker 3: empowered in a way that kind of allows there to
Speaker 3: be a very hardcore mutant element. I don't think they're
Speaker 3: going to do it with like a Crocoa, because I
Speaker 3: think that will be another era. But I do think
Speaker 3: you're right, Jason. I think there's going to be a
Speaker 3: reason and a space for many more mutants.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: I will also say, remember, we know that there is
Speaker 3: at least like a very kind of standard amount of
Speaker 3: like medium powered, like three D man level mutants because
Speaker 3: of Sheehok.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: I wonder if something happens with Secret Wars or Doomsday
Speaker 3: where we essentially whatever starts the spike in mutant births
Speaker 3: is also a spark in secondary mutations, because then we
Speaker 3: could essentially say, hey, look there were Yeah, you've seen
Speaker 3: this guy who's like he can jump off a building
Speaker 3: and survive. He's a skin stretchy or whatever. But in
Speaker 3: the secondary mutation version, suddenly these people who had like
Speaker 3: weird powers suddenly have great powers or scary powers or
Speaker 3: a mega level powers. I think they could do something
Speaker 3: really interesting with that, especially because we are obviously gonna
Speaker 3: learn around about how mutation works alongside the MCU because
Speaker 3: we were learning about it with Bill Metzka.
Speaker 1: I think that Well, here's my other thought about Sinister
Speaker 1: is that Sinister is not like you don't have a
Speaker 1: big showdown with mister Sinister at the end of a
Speaker 1: movie or a comic book arc. He's not like a brawler.
Speaker 1: You're not gonna sit there and f macinator. He's a machinator.
Speaker 1: He's a planner, which is why I feel like whether
Speaker 1: it's I mean, immediately my mind goes to Marauders like
Speaker 1: he must he will have assembled some team of mutant killers.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 3: I think Marauder is pretty honestly pretty safe get bet
Speaker 3: because at d twenty three they had a night Crowller
Speaker 3: in his like pirate swashbuckling era, and that's very inherently
Speaker 3: connects me to that kind of Marauder space.
Speaker 1: Which is why I think when you mentioned like from
Speaker 1: you know, she helped these kind of like mid level
Speaker 1: mutates and mutants. Again, if it is a mister Sinister
Speaker 1: who wants to so in the comics, the reason and
Speaker 1: it wasn't revealed for like fifteen years.
Speaker 2: Mm hm.
Speaker 1: You never knew why Sinister launched the mutant massacre, and
Speaker 1: then like fifteen years later, in continuity, you figured out
Speaker 1: it's because like one of his acolytes stole his research,
Speaker 1: and that's how the Morlocks basically started, as like they
Speaker 1: mutated because of like this stolen mister Sinister research, and
Speaker 1: he basically wanted to like cleanse his IP, you know,
Speaker 1: like kill everybody who had stolen his bootleg stuff and
Speaker 1: create a bootleg mutants. And so I think that there's
Speaker 1: a world in which some of these mid range mutants
Speaker 1: currently existing in the MCU were mutated with stolen or
Speaker 1: bootleg and Nathaniel Millbury research, And so he launches the
Speaker 1: mutant massacre to just kind of clear the decks of
Speaker 1: I'm gonna and purify his research.
Speaker 2: I'll bate the discord go crazy with this one.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna make you go crazy because Jason, you blow
Speaker 3: in my mind because you know what the MCU does
Speaker 3: not have does not have a fucking Norman Osborne. We
Speaker 3: don't know who's fucking spider bit spider Man, right, we
Speaker 3: don't know whose research was the research.
Speaker 2: That would be let us crazy.
Speaker 3: Like I'm not saying it's gonna be Nathaniel Milbury, but
Speaker 3: I think now that you're talking about this idea of
Speaker 3: almost like how he was in the Krakoa era, which guys,
Speaker 3: is so fucking funny, but he was like it was
Speaker 3: very much.
Speaker 1: He should do an episode where we should do an
Speaker 1: episode about I mean, we could do an entire crocoa
Speaker 1: series of podcasts because there's so much to dig into.
Speaker 3: But I would also say a lot of what they
Speaker 3: were drawing on there was this kind of concept and
Speaker 3: throughout his history has been this concept of fun agricultural diversion. Here, guys,
Speaker 3: but how corporations will create certain strains of seeds, copyright them,
Speaker 3: and then if the seeds are blown into other farms
Speaker 3: by the nature of the wind, they will sue the
Speaker 3: farm for stealing the copyright. And I think that is
Speaker 3: a really good way to look at mister Sinister and
Speaker 3: the way he sees mutant DNA is it is kind
Speaker 3: of his ip that he can fuck around with. That
Speaker 3: is going to be so fun to see Adam Driver
Speaker 3: do that. Also, think about so many people sent this
Speaker 3: to me and added me on the day that they
Speaker 3: announced this, But think about that SNL skit with Adam
Speaker 3: Driver where he plays the undercover boss version of Kylo.
Speaker 2: This is a man who's actually very fucking funny.
Speaker 3: If you've seen the Jim John Moush movie Dead Don't Die,
Speaker 3: He's gonna be Murray. I think the comedy chops of
Speaker 3: Sinister him, mixed with the absolute ability to break your
Speaker 3: heart when he has like that moment with his dad
Speaker 3: in the first Star Wars sequel movie, Force awakens him
Speaker 3: and hand on that bridge, you know what's gonna happen
Speaker 3: every single time, and you still believe that he might
Speaker 3: not do it like that gravitas mixed with his comedy
Speaker 3: chops could make this a generational tiar casting.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be great. And if it is Marauders,
Speaker 1: because again, who do the X Men fight? Obviously they'll
Speaker 1: fight each.
Speaker 2: Other and the Avengers at some point or a right.
Speaker 1: But in this movie, who do they fight? Sinister is
Speaker 1: not again, the type of villain that you have this
Speaker 1: all out brall with and so I do it leads
Speaker 1: me to believe like he will have hench people and
Speaker 1: maybe that means Marders. And here's my one concern of
Speaker 1: this cast, which I love. If Indy doesn't have the
Speaker 1: Southern accent, don't force it.
Speaker 2: I think. I think it's fine. I'm not worried about it.
Speaker 2: She's didn't have the but it's fine.
Speaker 3: You know what, She's done a CW, she was in
Speaker 3: this W for a while. She's done a bunch of
Speaker 3: different little indie movies, so I actually think she's gonna
Speaker 3: be a bit of a chameleon. I didn't give it
Speaker 3: a try, but yeah, if it doesn't work, obviously, I'm
Speaker 3: excited to see the wigs because this is some characters
Speaker 3: who have hair, like the Rogue hair, the Storm hair options,
Speaker 3: the Adam Driver hair options, also Christopher Abbott. Are we
Speaker 3: gonna get Charles with hair again? Is this gonna be
Speaker 3: a James McAvoy situation.
Speaker 2: I think he could look good bold. I'm feeling like
Speaker 2: I might buzz cut my hair. Guys, I got two.
Speaker 3: Hours sleep on like fucking Saturday Sunday night, so I'm
Speaker 3: like I was trying to buzz cut my hair yesterday,
Speaker 3: thinking a Charles Xavier. There's gonna be some great wigs,
Speaker 3: some crazy Jean Gray hair.
Speaker 2: Also Jason, I want to.
Speaker 3: Say yes, I saw a lot of people in denial
Speaker 3: after seeing Samara Weaving and Kick Connor and Sadie Sick
Speaker 3: on that stage.
Speaker 2: They were saying, this is weird. She's too old. She's
Speaker 2: ten years older than them. It's fine, calm down.
Speaker 3: They are consented, and this is a movie like Guys
Speaker 3: Do Not Purity Culture, one of the best milkiest threesomes
Speaker 3: in the world. That's gonna happen. That's why they put
Speaker 3: the three of them in the movie together.
Speaker 2: Also, and then by the way that happened, that might
Speaker 2: three movies.
Speaker 3: And also as well, Samara can play younger, both of
Speaker 3: them can play older or younger, Like, calm down there,
Speaker 3: it's gonna be great.
Speaker 2: Jason, who would you ram this team out with?
Speaker 3: Because I will say I Faii did tell on stage.
Speaker 3: He very specifically said, this.
Speaker 2: Is not the full team.
Speaker 3: Don't freaking out. There's more X men coming. Who do
Speaker 3: you think needs to be on it to make this work?
Speaker 1: Well, I've been hanging on this theory for a while,
Speaker 1: which I've talked about, which will lay out, just because
Speaker 1: I think it's important to the rounding out the team question.
Speaker 1: That there are mutants currently in the MCU post Secret
Speaker 1: Wars some one or a handful of mutants who came
Speaker 1: from the dystopian versions of the timeline where mutants are
Speaker 1: rounded up and kept in tournament camps will enter the
Speaker 1: main MCU, join the X Men, and they're gonna be
Speaker 1: the ones who are like, yeah, yeah, it's very cute.
Speaker 1: You guys want to be superheroes. You don't understand they're
Speaker 1: gonna round us all up and kill us. Yeah, literally,
Speaker 1: you don't get it.
Speaker 3: This is tied in to one of my favorite eras too,
Speaker 3: because with Indy involved in that might Carry era, you
Speaker 3: really are getting like Rogue's death. Rogue is the one
Speaker 3: who's trying to warn people like in my fucking universe,
Speaker 3: in this age of X Universe, it is concentration camps
Speaker 3: mutants speaking.
Speaker 2: I think, like, you're fucking right.
Speaker 1: So I think there will be one or a selection
Speaker 1: of characters who come from that other universe who are
Speaker 1: primarily the ones that make mutants like increasingly militant as
Speaker 1: they stick around and see as they look around and
Speaker 1: see like, oh shit, like they are working on this
Speaker 1: like power dampening technology. They are working on these camps.
Speaker 1: Oh shit, they are sentinel technology that does look like
Speaker 1: that could become Sentinel technology, and so who could that be.
Speaker 1: I think it could be if we think about time traveling,
Speaker 1: you know, like I don't know, it could be Kitty Pride.
Speaker 1: I think there's space for Kitty Pride team.
Speaker 2: I'd love that.
Speaker 1: I think that it could be. This is a long shot,
Speaker 1: but it could be. I think it could be Wolverine,
Speaker 1: like a younger recast Wolverine that they that the future
Speaker 1: I have memory.
Speaker 3: You say it's a long shot, but I also think
Speaker 3: alongside Storm who we now know that I think they've
Speaker 3: got a great cost in college. And listen, Wolverine is
Speaker 3: the hardest person to cost.
Speaker 2: You got to make him young and sure and old
Speaker 2: and sexy and not Hugh Jackman like it does so
Speaker 2: much to it.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, we're not going to get the Emma
Speaker 1: Jean Scott love triangle in this movie. Not gonna get
Speaker 1: it for a while. Like it's when they do it.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be like a shocking, shocking reveal
Speaker 1: later on. But if you bring like a young, scrappy
Speaker 1: Logan from another universe, I think you could have. They
Speaker 1: have to will they won't they Scott and Gene first movie,
Speaker 1: they can't just get together. And so I think a
Speaker 1: Logan love triangle like where you're like, she's being pulled
Speaker 1: in these various directions, which way is she gonna go?
Speaker 1: I think that is wonderful dramatic juice if they use
Speaker 1: Logan as this.
Speaker 2: Character to actually Jason, because you can do some.
Speaker 3: Beats from the first movie in a way less problematic way,
Speaker 3: like the Logan Rogue stuff where the chemistry was always
Speaker 3: there even though he was supposed to be like this
Speaker 3: older figure. If you have Indie and because Rogue is,
Speaker 3: like you said, probably gonna be a villain originally, if
Speaker 3: you have Indian Wolverine on the same side and Sadie
Speaker 3: and Kit on opposite sides, but then one of them starts,
Speaker 3: you know, Sadie starts to become more radicalized, and you
Speaker 3: sort of have that core for like antagonists love triangle situation.
Speaker 3: I could be really into that. I think Logan is
Speaker 3: a big one. I think the biggest one. And I
Speaker 3: saw this on my TikTok. I saw it on my
Speaker 3: Instagram when I was posting. So many people I do
Speaker 3: not follow ask me where mystique was. That is to
Speaker 3: them because of the movies, I think, and I will
Speaker 3: say we're going to get into our top twenty five.
Speaker 3: You know, I will argue for what if she should
Speaker 3: be on the X Men list rather than.
Speaker 2: The villains or both.
Speaker 3: But I do think that I think when it comes
Speaker 3: to impact, when it comes to recognizability, when it comes
Speaker 3: for characters who have been represented in both the comics
Speaker 3: and the TV shows that people care about, it's mystique.
Speaker 3: And I mean Carmen has been on this tair for
Speaker 3: a long time. Super producer Carmen Lorenz, we love her. Sorry,
Speaker 3: Carmen Laurent, she's fancier than me.
Speaker 2: But Hunter Shafer mystique question mark. We love the concept.
Speaker 2: Can they do a trans villain antagonist right now in
Speaker 2: a sensible way? We'd love to see it.
Speaker 3: But the kind of idea of a shape shifting and
Speaker 3: you know, Young more likely to be cast than the
Speaker 3: Queen herself till the Swinton but Hunter gets a lot
Speaker 3: of Till the Swinton comparisons. I think that could be
Speaker 3: really cool, and I do think that gonna for the
Speaker 3: fans to be excited. I think a mystique is important.
Speaker 3: I also think there's a lot of fun stuff you
Speaker 3: can do with mystique and Emma.
Speaker 1: I think that they who else could I see? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think Gambit will be a villain.
Speaker 3: It feels like he's gonna be in this right, So look,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna lie my dream When they said that
Speaker 3: Charles turned down Beast is because he knows he should
Speaker 3: be Gambit.
Speaker 2: He would be an incredible Gambit. He's charming, he's funny.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he could do the accent. Rivedell did a
Speaker 2: lot of accents.
Speaker 1: I think he probably turned on Beast because he doesn't
Speaker 1: want to wear a blue makeup. Yeah, so let's be real.
Speaker 3: Marvel has a historical problem of always casting people of
Speaker 3: color and then covering them in makeup.
Speaker 2: Right, So, like, I would love if we turn around
Speaker 2: because like.
Speaker 3: Indy Rogue with Charles Gambit, like you would be fucking
Speaker 3: cooking on.
Speaker 2: And again like that.
Speaker 1: So, and I do think that there's a world in
Speaker 1: which you do assemble the original five with Angel, Beast
Speaker 1: and Iceman to round out with Jean Gray and Cyclops,
Speaker 1: and then you kill one or two of them, and
Speaker 1: that spurs Charles too, you know, Deadly Genesis this thing
Speaker 1: and giant size X men this thing, and go, okay,
Speaker 1: we need other people who do we got and maybe
Speaker 1: then they round it out with the classic giant sized team.
Speaker 2: But you know, I think I mean, if I had
Speaker 2: to pick Stormer.
Speaker 4: On it is positive for the Giants, right, And I
Speaker 4: think if I had to pick one character who I
Speaker 4: think is for sure, who is not announced and is
Speaker 4: for sure in this.
Speaker 1: I think it's probably I think it's probably Gambit.
Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: What about you if you had to pick one character
Speaker 1: who is not who is not announced, who is you
Speaker 1: think is Pride?
Speaker 3: I do think it's gonna I think they'll go young Misty.
Speaker 3: I think that she's been a member. I think it's
Speaker 3: gonna be hot, but I would love to see both. Also,
Speaker 3: Figy did make a point of being like, this is
Speaker 3: just some of the X Men, so I think they're
Speaker 3: aware that one of our biggest jokes and also one
Speaker 3: of the reasons why we love so many X Men
Speaker 3: fans loved the latest stage stuff, especially the original sequels
Speaker 3: and the Day's of Future Past era. They understood that
Speaker 3: to have a full score means you have to have
Speaker 3: like hundreds of mutants.
Speaker 2: Right, and you're not gonna see all of them. You're
Speaker 2: not gonna get to know all of them.
Speaker 3: But you're gonna get to see Cannibal for a moment,
Speaker 3: or you're gonna get see where I go through a wall.
Speaker 2: Right. I think the MCU will also understand that.
Speaker 3: Even though I do think this is gonna be kind
Speaker 3: of a ramshackle strip mall version of the X Men,
Speaker 3: I do think that we'll probably end up with at
Speaker 3: least ten mutants in this movie, is my guess.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's take a quick break and we'll be back
Speaker 1: with our top twenty five X Men list. Our individual top.
Speaker 2: Twenty five, we will find out are very similar.
Speaker 1: Okay, our top twenty five x Men according to us.
Speaker 1: Now we'll just kind of do our list separately. I'll
Speaker 1: go first, but let me first tell you go fast, because.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna highlight as you go all the ones that
Speaker 3: I concluded and then give you a NUMBERUS.
Speaker 1: So, yeah, here's my formula.
Speaker 2: Because what I don't vot do, I based it onto
Speaker 2: what I.
Speaker 1: Didn't want to do, was like, oh, here are my
Speaker 1: top twenty five favorite X Men. I tried to be
Speaker 1: as unbiased about it as as possible, and so I
Speaker 1: used kind of like five factors, four factors, five for
Speaker 1: the villains, which we'll get into when we do our
Speaker 1: villains later in the week, but four factors for the heroes.
Speaker 1: One is essentialness, So it's like a counterfactual test if
Speaker 1: this character never existed, how much of X Men history
Speaker 1: has to be rewritten and recreated to impact? So like,
Speaker 1: what did the character actually do? What were the storylines?
Speaker 1: How many times did they lead their own series, institutions, deaths, wars,
Speaker 1: family trees, like what do they really influence? Popularity? Right,
Speaker 1: name recognition? Do people know this character? How popular are
Speaker 1: they to the fan base? And then kind of the
Speaker 1: most ambiguous is just the coolness, you know, costume design, power,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So that is those are my factors and
Speaker 1: to kind of quickly build off that, to me, relationships
Speaker 1: matter the most. You know, the X We've said a
Speaker 1: million times the X Men are like a family. The
Speaker 1: most connections that a character has, the more connections, the
Speaker 1: higher you rank them. So romances, major friendships, major interpersonal relationships.
Speaker 1: These are all I think important and speak to the
Speaker 1: essentialness factor and popular current cultural heat counts under popularity,
Speaker 1: so like appearing in Marvel Rivals, the video game, etc. Okay,
Speaker 1: here are my top twenty five number one. Wolverine not
Speaker 1: my favorite, but I don't think anybody can say that
Speaker 1: he wasn't the breakout star of the X Men for
Speaker 1: thirty or forty years. True had his own solo series
Speaker 1: that ran for many, many years, and number one was
Speaker 1: in like two hundreds, et cetera. He was just like
Speaker 1: a huge, huge star in the eighties and nineties and
Speaker 1: continues to be a huge star. So Wolverine number one,
Speaker 1: number two Jeene Gray. Why because out of four and
Speaker 1: you could argue more characters currently on my list, and
Speaker 1: certainly on the villain list, none of some of them,
Speaker 1: just simply four of these would not exist without Geen Gray.
Speaker 1: Cable is her son Rachel Summers, her is her daughter
Speaker 1: Matt n Pryor on the villain side. Strife on the
Speaker 1: villain side wouldn't exist. The Dark Phoenix saga, her relationship
Speaker 1: with Scott, the love triangle with Scott and Emma like
Speaker 1: one of the most iconic romances, the love triangle with Logan, Like,
Speaker 1: there's just so many connections. And even when she wasn't
Speaker 1: on the team, she was on the team because her
Speaker 1: clone was on the team. So it's like just a
Speaker 1: us undeniable impact by that same token, I simply had
Speaker 1: to have Cyclopsis number three the Summers Dynasty. There's the
Speaker 1: whole rest of his family with Corsair and Havoc and Vulcan,
Speaker 1: his Space, his absentee Space pirate Dad, who became a
Speaker 1: secondary character his own right. The fact that sinister major
Speaker 1: villain in the ex universe and in Marvel is basically
Speaker 1: exists because he's obsessed with Scott. Yeah, like ed literally
Speaker 1: it is huge. And for me, the fact that in
Speaker 1: the past twenty years he's morphed basically into becoming the
Speaker 1: best version of Magneto, like a militant leader who I
Speaker 1: love that holds both the Charles legacy and the Magneto
Speaker 1: legacy together, like in his mind. You know, Cyclops was
Speaker 1: right that whole thing. I just think he's He's number
Speaker 1: three for me, number four Storm correct.
Speaker 2: She should be in that top five whatever.
Speaker 1: Fifty year history, a decade as the leader of the team,
Speaker 1: led the team with no powers at all, you know,
Speaker 1: and Ben Scott in a fight while he had powers.
Speaker 1: She's currently you know, leading her own solo title. Is
Speaker 1: a member of the Avengers Crazy Soul.
Speaker 3: In the X Men animated series, two, like when you
Speaker 3: were a kid, that was the character you quote it
Speaker 3: the thespian stormlines.
Speaker 2: You know, she was the monologust.
Speaker 1: Huge popularity, huge coolness factor. You know, coming out of
Speaker 1: the crocoa era has reached new heights. Obviously her relationship
Speaker 1: with Wakanda it has to be Storm.
Speaker 3: Also, she's also like the most baddest wanted bitch in
Speaker 3: the whole of the MCU, like Doom wants her, Tony's
Speaker 3: wanted her, thoughs wanted her. Like her impact romantically and
Speaker 3: as like a romantic and literal goddess is undeniable.
Speaker 2: Every strong man is obsessed with Storm.
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean she's she was royalty before she was
Speaker 1: royalty professor.
Speaker 2: Okay, I agree, hate to hear it.
Speaker 1: By listen, you hate to hear it. The coolness is
Speaker 1: obviously worth very little. He's a bald man in a
Speaker 1: wheelchair for most of his career.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's not make it able, ass, Jason. Wheelchair people
Speaker 2: could be cool to bald.
Speaker 1: He's a bald liar.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's a bald liar. He's ad war.
Speaker 1: He's a bald as his career. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: no X Men without him, and so yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Have to put him up there.
Speaker 1: And and I would say that despite all the ship
Speaker 1: that we've given him.
Speaker 2: He's got his place, he's done his things.
Speaker 1: He even when he's overstepped, and it's been many times
Speaker 1: erasing memories, creating memories.
Speaker 3: Locking people's powers, controlling people face.
Speaker 1: And sending them on suicide missions and then covering the
Speaker 1: child soldiers. Yeah, but we like him for that. Let's that.
Speaker 1: Let's not be hypocritical.
Speaker 2: We like the child, we like him.
Speaker 1: He did that.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wish he's not a bit older.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yes, but even when he made those mistakes,
Speaker 1: it was like it was from a good place. I'm
Speaker 1: not saying he like Obviously he's a bad guy in
Speaker 1: a sense, had intentions, he was he a little naive
Speaker 1: the dream and all that. Yes, but again I do
Speaker 1: think the dream has changed in Cyclops to become something
Speaker 1: higher and more realistic and and something more effective by
Speaker 1: merging with the philosophy Magneto. Yes. Next is Magneto the
Speaker 1: only character to spoiler on my who makes both my
Speaker 1: the top ten of both lists for me?
Speaker 2: Interesting? Interesting?
Speaker 1: You know New Mutant's headmaster, Xavier's designated successor, which was
Speaker 1: a shocker, quiet Council seat dies to protect the mutant
Speaker 1: race from you know, during fall of x Magneto was right.
Speaker 1: Was I think the biggest I would argue the biggest
Speaker 1: threat to the Xavier ideology was the whole Magneto was
Speaker 1: Right movement.
Speaker 3: I want to say, big reason I think that they're
Speaker 3: not bringing it in right now, so complicated to bring
Speaker 3: to life.
Speaker 2: But you're so right, Jason.
Speaker 3: I also just want to point out here slight difference
Speaker 3: in ranking, which we'll get into, but so far six
Speaker 3: for six and we did not we did not go
Speaker 3: through these lists before. This guy is yet so so
Speaker 3: far with a different different you're in organization, but that
Speaker 3: old aphemy and yeah, six all the same.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: Number seven Emma Frost, the babe you know fourteen years
Speaker 1: is the Hellfire Club's white queen, but then thirty two
Speaker 1: years as really a crucial in core x Men. This
Speaker 1: was like one of the big swings of the of
Speaker 1: the Grant Morrison x Men era, and it is I
Speaker 1: think the most durable, the one in his spade, the
Speaker 1: longest is Emma. Actually can't imagine.
Speaker 3: Together the kind of growth that they had in that
Speaker 3: comment changed the way so many of us perceived them forever.
Speaker 1: It was so controversial and you can't really imagine the
Speaker 1: team without her. She's arrogant, she's posh.
Speaker 2: She incredibly powerful.
Speaker 1: She's incredibly powerful. But also, like you, despite past arcs
Speaker 1: where you kind of doubted, like, oh, would she ever?
Speaker 1: Is she portraying the X Men, Is she secretly hell fire?
Speaker 1: You don't doubt that anymore. She's you know, pure x mens,
Speaker 1: sole survivor of Genosha, which created her secondary mutation. She's
Speaker 1: huge Number eight rogue. This is where it gets very
Speaker 1: close to me, and I think you could make plausible
Speaker 1: arguments for certain characters, jumping over certain characters. She's got
Speaker 1: one of the coolest and most impactful arcs going from
Speaker 1: villain to hero.
Speaker 2: In X history.
Speaker 1: She has, I would argue, along with the death of
Speaker 1: Uncle Ben, the one genuinely unreversed comics thing in comics
Speaker 1: history is that she absorbed Carol Danver's psyche and powers.
Speaker 1: They never reversed it. And you know, the romance with
Speaker 1: Gambit is just huge, huge, huge, huge, huge, like the
Speaker 1: that was the ultimate for my comics reading Origin story,
Speaker 1: like the ultimate. Will they won't they? Because you know
Speaker 1: they can't touch and when we'll y ever be able
Speaker 1: to touch, And it was just this forlorn romance.
Speaker 3: I would also say as well, like it was such
Speaker 3: a huge impact guys from the animated series, and it
Speaker 3: was like years of fan yanning that led to us
Speaker 3: getting like a Kelly Thompson Rogue and Gambit story that
Speaker 3: was its own like mini series in like twenty seventeen.
Speaker 3: So it's been a long lasting fan passion and I
Speaker 3: think that's why X Mend ninety seven hit so well.
Speaker 2: And yeah, obviously Rogue is also in my top.
Speaker 1: Ten, number nine to nine for nineties cable, you know,
Speaker 1: nineties coded with the pouches, the arm, the glowing eye.
Speaker 1: That said, I think he has too many connections and
Speaker 1: not my favorite character by any means, but there's simply
Speaker 1: too many connections to the rest of X History and
Speaker 1: other characters to really deny. He turns the new Mutants
Speaker 1: into X Force, which is still a team that exists.
Speaker 1: He is the reason Strife exists, therefore the reason the
Speaker 1: Legacy virus exists.
Speaker 3: Yea.
Speaker 1: He of course is Scott and Jean's son from a
Speaker 1: different timeline, which is a huge thing played a crucial
Speaker 1: role in the Messiah complex plotline, Yeah, which brought the
Speaker 1: Mutants back to the forefront in terms of, you know,
Speaker 1: being back from extinction, and so you just kind of
Speaker 1: have to have him there, even though again not my favorite,
Speaker 1: you know who, One of my favorites is number ten
Speaker 1: Kitty Pride, the Audience Surrogate. Pride the Audience Surrogate for
Speaker 1: like thirty years since her introduction in the eighties, you know,
Speaker 1: right in the middle of Days of Future Past, which
Speaker 1: I think if you had to select one X Men
Speaker 1: arc to take with you to the Desert Island, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people would take that, which is.
Speaker 3: Funny because you'd just be reading those same two issues
Speaker 3: over and over again, babe, but it would be worth it.
Speaker 1: Founding member of Excalibur, the relationship with Colossus, which is
Speaker 1: one of the cute most.
Speaker 3: Like relationshipsships have always.
Speaker 1: The kind of like moral ark bone of the X Men,
Speaker 1: along with Nightcrawler, who is coming quite soon on the list.
Speaker 1: So number ten Kity Pride to here we get into
Speaker 1: the second tier. Number eleven Nightcrawler. I moved him up
Speaker 1: late in my scoring. You know, he's one of the
Speaker 1: original giant size X Men era X Men Mystique's son,
Speaker 1: so has those connections. The religious core of him, I
Speaker 1: think is so important to who the X Men are.
Speaker 1: Wrote the Krokohen religion, the Krokohen mutant religion, just the hugely.
Speaker 3: Many impacts in different words. And he's also a nice guy,
Speaker 3: like nice.
Speaker 1: Guy and very cool. Number twelve Gambit. I don't love
Speaker 1: Gambit as a character that said, you can't deny how
Speaker 1: popular Gambit is not.
Speaker 3: He's like a venom level like, yeah, he broke out
Speaker 3: of containment. People who don't even like him cosplay him
Speaker 3: type guy.
Speaker 1: Very complicated, kind of anti hero in a way, you know,
Speaker 1: was bamboozled question Mark into the being complicit in the
Speaker 1: mutant massacre, which we can talk about at some future date.
Speaker 1: Uh led the more led the marauders to the morlocked tunnels,
Speaker 1: although he would argue he didn't know what was going on. Obviously.
Speaker 2: The relationships of my beloved Ballot.
Speaker 1: Yes became a horseman was dead for a period of time.
Speaker 1: His relationship with Rogue is I think essential to the
Speaker 1: X Men.
Speaker 2: I would also say, they said, you'll Baker. We realized,
Speaker 2: like I had never really just listed out all of
Speaker 2: the bad ship. He's done. He's like the X Men's
Speaker 2: bad Turtle. He's the sexy bat boy with a good heart. Right.
Speaker 3: That's like I'm realizing how much of his appeal is
Speaker 3: that because he often comes back.
Speaker 2: He always loves rogue. He does the right thing. But
Speaker 2: when you list it out like this, motherfucker's I mean, you.
Speaker 1: Know, complicit in the mutant Master, very tough.
Speaker 2: To come back from, Andy, very tough.
Speaker 1: Number thirteen Beast original five X Men, you know, the
Speaker 1: original for the team genius scientist character, which is a
Speaker 1: very very important role. And I would argue though there
Speaker 1: are other you know, Cipher, Prodigy, there's other characters that
Speaker 1: have stacks science that genius role. He is kind of
Speaker 1: the irreplaceable one of those. Just the secondary mutation and
Speaker 1: the devolving into the blue, furry haired mutant character. Aaron
Speaker 1: brought up a very important point, which is it's very
Speaker 1: important for the movies but for the comics that non
Speaker 1: human presenting mutants are represented, and he is one of those.
Speaker 3: And he is also I will say, I do think
Speaker 3: Beast is a very interesting, cool character because he is
Speaker 3: like very generally we know evil Beast and everything, but
Speaker 3: he's very much like he's the charming one. He's the
Speaker 3: smart one, he's the acceptable one, even though he looks
Speaker 3: very non presenting.
Speaker 2: So I do think he is important in that way.
Speaker 1: Number fourteen Colossus. You might argue that it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a reach. He's never won a fight. I
Speaker 1: famously say that said, you know, one of the giant
Speaker 1: size eras the relationship with Kitty has mentioned Magic's brother,
Speaker 1: and then I think what put him here for me
Speaker 1: is that he does end the Legacy virus by himself
Speaker 1: deciding to you know, essentially sacrificing his life to end
Speaker 1: the Legacy virus. Number fifteen Silock one of the most
Speaker 1: confusing lore packages of all time.
Speaker 2: You could never even imagine the thing.
Speaker 1: She was originally Captain Britain's sister Betsy Braddock. Then she
Speaker 1: goes through the Siege Perilous, which we can't get into now,
Speaker 1: which is put an alternate dimensional portal that the nineties
Speaker 1: X men had access to, comes back as vaguely Asian coded.
Speaker 1: It's eventually retconned that yes, she switched bodies with an
Speaker 1: Asian woman named Kwanon, and so that's why she has
Speaker 1: looked Asian for last twenty years.
Speaker 2: And now Kwanon is a different character, and or Silo
Speaker 2: is the every character. Bessy Braddick is an every character.
Speaker 2: They finally split them apop. But no, you're right, Silock
Speaker 2: has to be on that. She has to be.
Speaker 1: Because for the coolest, and you know, one of the
Speaker 1: most is iconic and what was cool power Psychic Knife
Speaker 1: is incredible and.
Speaker 3: Also famously iconic action figure because the middle like three
Speaker 3: inch action figure was the same mold as Electra.
Speaker 2: They just changed the colors, so it's.
Speaker 3: Like she's just got so much lore and cannon and
Speaker 3: it was such a big deal. And also just like
Speaker 3: Jim Lee drawing Silocke is just crazy good chip, Like
Speaker 3: that's the shake.
Speaker 2: Sure, I love that.
Speaker 1: He just like went off. The Resin was like, now
Speaker 1: she's Asian, and.
Speaker 2: Yeah she came back, bitch dress it for twenty years.
Speaker 1: She's just vaguely Asian. She's sixteen and redcon to be yes,
Speaker 1: she is here, Yeah, sixteen magic founder, founding member of
Speaker 1: the New Mutants, rules her own dimension Limbo with her
Speaker 1: own pet.
Speaker 2: Like coolness as well.
Speaker 1: For the coolest, the charts goth look with the big
Speaker 1: sword and the cool head piece, the dark Child, I
Speaker 1: mean in Marvel Rivals, which is, you know, like coming
Speaker 1: your game. I just think, well, I just tell you
Speaker 1: to list off the charts.
Speaker 3: I do think that when it comes to out popular
Speaker 3: these characters are and how much knowledge there is of
Speaker 3: these characters, Marvel Rivals has changed that. Yeah, and completely
Speaker 3: because there are people who do not read comics who
Speaker 3: play Marvel Rivals and come and hang out with me
Speaker 3: when I'm chilling at the comic shop or the coffee shop,
Speaker 3: and they just ask me who the characters are.
Speaker 2: They go, oh, can you tell me the comic book characters?
Speaker 2: But who's this? Like what squirrel Girl do? Like who's magic?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And that is getting people into comics, Like it's a
Speaker 3: two way street, and I fucking love it. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean magic ar Queen.
Speaker 1: Number seventeen x twenty three, first kind of new, the newest,
Speaker 1: the first appearance of like a new fresher character. She
Speaker 1: took Wolf, she took the wolverine mantle and outright like
Speaker 1: owned it for a long period.
Speaker 2: And I worked in the comic shop and it fucking ruled.
Speaker 2: That was a great arc, great era.
Speaker 1: One of the few kind of I mean even Docin
Speaker 1: didn't hit the way x twenty three hit.
Speaker 3: Just she's basically like I would say, obviously completely different tone,
Speaker 3: but she was. She was Marvels kind of X version
Speaker 3: of Kamala Kon Like it hits so much harder than
Speaker 3: anyone expected, and she's stuck around so much longer. And
Speaker 3: obviously thanks to Daphne, Keene has now become an iconic
Speaker 3: member of the movie X Teams too.
Speaker 1: Yes, one of the most critically acclaimed comic book movies ever.
Speaker 2: You know ever was nominated.
Speaker 1: So that brings us to eighteen Angel slash Archangel, one
Speaker 1: of the Original five. His money helped found the original
Speaker 1: X sector the Death Transformation after his brutal injury during
Speaker 1: the Mutant Mascer after you know, at the hands of Apocalypse.
Speaker 1: I think was one of the great and most successful
Speaker 1: redesigns of a character in franchise history. Made him much
Speaker 1: more dangerous and much more menacing. Number nineteen Iceman again
Speaker 1: Original five important you know representation as one of the
Speaker 1: first out gay characters, and I think the original X
Speaker 1: Men who was out, not counting north Star, who was
Speaker 1: in the ex universe but a member of yeah in
Speaker 1: the in the X universe, but a member.
Speaker 2: He's had a complicated time.
Speaker 3: That was like, yeah, I might say allegedly with you
Speaker 3: know Comma fingers here, but that was allegedly an antique
Speaker 3: gay edict at Marvel in the eighties. That stopped a
Speaker 3: lot of things coming out properly. And then you have
Speaker 3: to do them in different books, so yeah, do them later.
Speaker 3: So yeah, we will say that. You know that first
Speaker 3: character that Marvel really supported as an out gay character where.
Speaker 1: This was born was Bobby Iceman, Marvel's first same sex
Speaker 1: wedding in twenty twelve. He's an Omega level Grace. If
Speaker 1: he wanted to freeze the entire planet Earth, he could
Speaker 1: do it.
Speaker 2: He could do it.
Speaker 1: He has done crazy stuff since his like Omega level
Speaker 1: has been unlocked, like creating fifty foot snowmen.
Speaker 2: You know then, like he is, he's just wild ass ship.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's used as like well against Doctor Doom. Honestly,
Speaker 3: she needs someone who can very powerful snowman to fight
Speaker 3: the sentinels.
Speaker 1: Number twenty Bishop, this is where it's my favorite. And
Speaker 1: again like that m make arguments here, you can really make.
Speaker 2: Again twenty to twenty five.
Speaker 5: I think you can really start to out Dystopian future Refugee,
Speaker 5: one of the most really recognizable pieces of nineties x
Speaker 5: iconography is that m on his on his eye.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe please maybe.
Speaker 1: This is how I think there's an off chance that
Speaker 1: he appears in the X Men movie as the thing
Speaker 1: that we've said, that character who comes from the alternate
Speaker 1: dimension says, you guys don't get it. You need to
Speaker 1: be much more millant. They're going to round us all up.
Speaker 2: Twenty one Bishop would be pretty cool. That would be
Speaker 2: on like in the twenties. Bishop.
Speaker 1: Number twenty one. Rachel Summers just like some very essential
Speaker 1: Listen survivor at the center of Days of Future Past,
Speaker 1: a host of the Phoenix, a ex kyliber founding member
Speaker 1: Scott and Jean's daughter. She's played a huge role, even
Speaker 1: though she's fallen off kind of lately. Number twenty two.
Speaker 1: Here's one of our other big risers, Hope Summers.
Speaker 2: Ooh okay, most of her importance.
Speaker 1: Is from the last ten to fifteen years. Obviously, it's
Speaker 1: her birth that as the mutant Messiah that kind of
Speaker 1: kicks off the rebirth of mutants in the world, and
Speaker 1: you know, as one of the five on Krakoa is
Speaker 1: obviously like a crucial and essential part of the Krocohen
Speaker 1: Society and the way it works and the fact that
Speaker 1: mutants were being brought back to life. Hope Summer is
Speaker 1: just like her ability to steal powers in a more
Speaker 1: in a way that has less negatives than the way
Speaker 1: Rogue can do. It is just you know, huge and flexible.
Speaker 1: Number twenty three Polaris.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, baby correct correct.
Speaker 1: Magneto's daughter relationship with Havoc over many, many years is
Speaker 1: important representation as someone struggling with mental illness within the
Speaker 1: Marvel universe and the ex universe.
Speaker 2: Also, the Magnia family stuff is just so interesting, It's.
Speaker 1: So good and so rich. Yes, they've they've really explored
Speaker 1: it recently too, just what a shit Daddy is and all.
Speaker 2: Of that, and like the impact that has. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yes, Number twenty four Jubilee.
Speaker 2: Yeah correct correct correct correct great correct.
Speaker 1: Iconic nineties introduction.
Speaker 2: She's my twenty four too, Jason.
Speaker 1: The number. You know, the mentorship with Wolverine is just
Speaker 1: you know, Marvel Rivals appearance. You could you argue that
Speaker 1: other characters should be over her for twenty four in lists, sure, but.
Speaker 2: She is the reason X Men the animated series.
Speaker 3: Exists essentially, you know, she is the core of the
Speaker 3: original Night you know, the kind of like Mos kind
Speaker 3: of era of the X Men is.
Speaker 1: So she's the audience, She's the audience avatar for for
Speaker 1: X Men the animated series. Yes, became a vampire, Aaron says.
Speaker 2: Which had she became a mom too, had a baby.
Speaker 1: And finally number twenty five, there were a lot of
Speaker 1: factors that put him here. I think for me it
Speaker 1: was the romance with Storm that was exciting factors.
Speaker 2: Jason, I love you. We've met to be on this
Speaker 2: podcast by friend.
Speaker 1: Forge at number twenty five one of the coolest. I
Speaker 1: think power sets of Emma often just can build technology,
Speaker 1: doesn't even necessarily understand it. Can just build stuff, build
Speaker 1: the neutralizer that stripped Storm of her powers. But then
Speaker 1: she falls in love with him.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I know.
Speaker 3: That feels very echoed in what they're doing with Peter two,
Speaker 3: So I'm interested to see why that goes.
Speaker 1: Yes, So that is my list, Rosie, who is on
Speaker 1: your list?
Speaker 2: Jason? This is actual blying my mind.
Speaker 3: So I just want to say something, Guys, Luckily as
Speaker 3: we are Yappa's, you don't gonna have to listen to
Speaker 3: me talk a lot about a lot these characters because
Speaker 3: out of our twenty five Jason, there are only three
Speaker 3: different characters.
Speaker 2: Now, is the order different? Yes, so I will do
Speaker 2: my order.
Speaker 3: I do believe, and I've argued this for a long time,
Speaker 3: so I don't think it's anything important. I believe in
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six most important X Men, most impactful x Men,
Speaker 3: most impactful of superhero characters, especially if you lived in
Speaker 3: the era, especially if you lived in London. If you
Speaker 3: looked at the clothes, you can buy the merch you
Speaker 3: can still buy the farraw around her casting is Storm.
Speaker 3: I'm a Storm at number one. I think you can
Speaker 3: interchange Storm and Wolverine depending on what era you were in. Now,
Speaker 3: I do think that anyone would argue that Wolverine has
Speaker 3: been in more comics. But look, I'm a vibes guy,
Speaker 3: I'm a cool guy. I just think Storm is it.
Speaker 3: She's a literal goddess. She's a mega level.
Speaker 2: But yeah, then I'm a Wolverine at number two. Charles
Speaker 2: and Magneto. Charles hits three, Magneto hits four. I'm the same, Jason.
Speaker 3: Magneto is my only true villain that would make it
Speaker 3: into the top ten here.
Speaker 2: I think who hasn't you know. He's also in my
Speaker 2: Top Villain's Top ten, Gene Gray at five. I agree
Speaker 2: with you. She's the first student, Jason. She's got to
Speaker 2: be there. She's important. I'm gonna be honest.
Speaker 3: I when I was making this list over the last
Speaker 3: like since Jason laid out the parameters, I was really
Speaker 3: struggling to go from twenty to twenty five because I
Speaker 3: kept ending up at thirty.
Speaker 2: And at some.
Speaker 3: Point, and this is to show my disregard for this
Speaker 3: character and how objective this was, at some point I
Speaker 3: realized that my top twenty five didn't even have Cyclops
Speaker 3: in it, and I was like fuck, and I had
Speaker 3: to go back and chop it because that is just
Speaker 3: not a character I care that much about, and he
Speaker 3: is easy to slip my mind.
Speaker 2: But I agree with you. He should be here. He
Speaker 2: has to be.
Speaker 3: He's in my top six. He did not make it
Speaker 3: into the top five. He is number six. But I
Speaker 3: do think Scott Summers. I love him as Basilisk in
Speaker 3: Age of X. I love his complexity post the Amorus stuff.
Speaker 3: I think you make a great point about him becoming
Speaker 3: the militant child of both Charles and Magneto, which is
Speaker 3: an unexpected nice route for him, and I agree with you, Jason.
Speaker 3: I love a relationship him and Jean. They gotta be there.
Speaker 3: Next up for me is actually Rogue. I think that
Speaker 3: is because I am an eighties nineties baby, so number seven.
Speaker 2: For me is Rogue.
Speaker 3: I think her powers are undeniable. I think her story
Speaker 3: arc in the eighties with Captain Marvel is still one
Speaker 3: of the best to ever do it. I also think
Speaker 3: if you think about characters who have broken out of containment,
Speaker 3: you end up in a situation where, like two years ago,
Speaker 3: there was photos that billions of people around the world
Speaker 3: had seen of Kiki Palm address as Rogue. Right, like,
Speaker 3: there's something about this character that's so iconic, that so
Speaker 3: eye catching it works. Next up for me at number
Speaker 3: eight is Emma Frost. I love her so much. I
Speaker 3: think she's a baddie. I think that relationship with Scott
Speaker 3: is key. I think that in the current timeline you
Speaker 3: have to have her on your top ten and also
Speaker 3: as well when it comes to power sets. She's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: But also costume design. I'm a big costume design guy.
Speaker 3: The Frank Quietly era two thousand New X Men with
Speaker 3: the X out of her chest like the inverse boob
Speaker 3: window where the whole shirt is boob window.
Speaker 2: It's still one of the most iconic to ever do it.
Speaker 2: I love her. I agree with you with the nineties.
Speaker 2: Now this is gonna be number nine Cable. I agree.
Speaker 3: Jason not a character I particularly love, but you cannot
Speaker 3: deny his impact. Also currently in the current standings, he's
Speaker 3: been in Deadpool two. The fans know him. His arc
Speaker 3: is Key to X Men ninety seven and people loved it.
Speaker 3: People are understanding about the Hope Summer's line.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: I think he's a great entryway to the cosmic in
Speaker 3: Marvel and the kind of crazy space stuff. Now here
Speaker 3: is our first big diversion for me, and this is
Speaker 3: actually more personal. But also I do think it can
Speaker 3: be argued I think you can't really have Cable without
Speaker 3: Bishop because Bishop, essentially.
Speaker 2: Like is the reason he's still alive.
Speaker 3: Right, So I'm going ten for Bishop, cheating a little
Speaker 3: bit because I think people could argue he could not
Speaker 3: be in the top ten.
Speaker 2: But he can travel through time, he can create portals.
Speaker 3: He is the reason that Cable is even still alive
Speaker 3: to kill Apocalypse. He has been so helpful to the
Speaker 3: X Men throughout time, and like you said, Jason, the
Speaker 3: m is so iconic.
Speaker 2: The mutant tattoo.
Speaker 3: Now is there are the two of my first characters
Speaker 3: that you did not mention, which I totally understand as
Speaker 3: I think this will be a controversial choice, but I
Speaker 3: think that post crocoa era posts the eighties and just
Speaker 3: kind of in the general understanding of where the X
Speaker 3: Men are now, and also as like queer characters. My
Speaker 3: number eleven is actually Mistique. I think that she is
Speaker 3: arguably an X Men as.
Speaker 2: Well as a villain.
Speaker 3: I think the entire franchise does not work with her.
Speaker 3: This is also going to be really funny after I
Speaker 3: bought her up in the D twenty three.
Speaker 2: I think the love Mystique. I think that's fine. Okay,
Speaker 2: you know what I think.
Speaker 3: You I know, I think this is fine because I
Speaker 3: did already argue with this in my head and I
Speaker 3: was like, you know what Jason said they Jason never
Speaker 3: said they had to be on the team, like, you know,
Speaker 3: like franchise wise, I'm like, this is an X Men
Speaker 3: by vibes, but that's also my gay agenda coming through
Speaker 3: because my number eleven is Destiny.
Speaker 2: I just think exactly right.
Speaker 3: But but this is I want to say, those are
Speaker 3: my only two yes that are not on the teams,
Speaker 3: but that I think personally are so important to what
Speaker 3: I love about the franchise and the franchise's growth and
Speaker 3: the Krakoa eras specifically, Like I think that changed my
Speaker 3: idea of who an X Men could be or what
Speaker 3: the X Men were, so I included them both. That's
Speaker 3: my ten and eleven. But then that's two of the
Speaker 3: ones Jason didn't pick. We're back to the consensus, the
Speaker 3: unconscious consensus. Next up for me is Gambit. I loved
Speaker 3: him as a kid. I think I had a really
Speaker 3: interesting relationship with him growing up because he's definitely kind
Speaker 3: of sleazy when you read him in the comics.
Speaker 2: He's always going for the younger girls.
Speaker 3: But I like what they did, the kind of Gambit
Speaker 3: propaganda participating seven.
Speaker 2: Thank you, you know you brought it up already.
Speaker 3: Like this is a problematic man, but I do think
Speaker 3: he has to be in there for the team. Like,
Speaker 3: if you talk about recognizability, cosplayability, the power set of
Speaker 3: the cards, this man was barely in the original ninety
Speaker 3: seven series. Compared to the original X Men ninety two
Speaker 3: series compared to some of the other characters, but his
Speaker 3: memes are undeniable. Yeah, like this is a recognizable member
Speaker 3: of the X Men.
Speaker 2: Okay. Next up for me is night Crawler.
Speaker 3: For all the reasons you said, I'm a Kurt lover,
Speaker 3: I think he's important. I think that By the way,
Speaker 3: guess who is mum is It's mistake, so he doesn't
Speaker 3: exist without her. So I think that he is just
Speaker 3: a great character, great good guy.
Speaker 2: Love my boy.
Speaker 3: Beast another character that I'm kind of like whatever about,
Speaker 3: but I do think movie wise, same with night Crawler.
Speaker 3: There have been iterations of these little blue guys in
Speaker 3: most of the movies, and that has a huge cultural
Speaker 3: impact on people. I think Beast's intelligence is important. I
Speaker 3: also think Evil Beast is interesting, which they could lean
Speaker 3: into here.
Speaker 2: Dark Beast. Yes, and then we have Katie Pride, Jason's favorite.
Speaker 3: I love her, like you said, in character complicate comic
Speaker 3: book past, but her powers are unquestionable.
Speaker 2: Days of Future Past does not happen with that her.
Speaker 3: I think they've never truly utilized her properly, especially even
Speaker 3: though Days of Future Past movie is fun. You know,
Speaker 3: they send Wolverine back instead this kind of they kind
Speaker 3: of trip it out.
Speaker 2: I would love to see a real kitty pride. I
Speaker 2: love to see her.
Speaker 3: Next up for me is Colossus. Obviously, those relationships and
Speaker 3: those ships are big.
Speaker 2: I love Colossus.
Speaker 3: You can tell I was doing a little memory association
Speaker 3: here when I was ranking, because I also I put
Speaker 3: Magic next his sister in my heart of heart, I
Speaker 3: think that Magic would be much higher in this ranking.
Speaker 3: But I think that for a lot of people who
Speaker 3: have never met the X Men, they wouldn't know who
Speaker 3: she is, like if they've never read a comic. So
Speaker 3: I think that kind of argues that she has to
Speaker 3: be this slow down. But I think our power sets unquestionable.
Speaker 3: I think the vibes, like I'm not gonna lie, most
Speaker 3: of these are thirty three percent vibes at least, but
Speaker 3: her vibes are unquestionable. The Berzerker sword is fucking unbelievable.
Speaker 3: Next up for me is also X twenty three. I'm
Speaker 3: a huge Laura Kinney fan.
Speaker 2: I love her.
Speaker 3: I think that Marjorie Lou really fucking ate with the
Speaker 3: origin or MYX. I think that we're in a position
Speaker 3: where is very rare that a female character is able
Speaker 3: to continue a mantle in a way that doesn't get eraised.
Speaker 3: Captain Marvel's pretty much our biggest example of that, and
Speaker 3: it's incredible how X twenty three has become so much
Speaker 3: a part of that that now people are like, just
Speaker 3: make her Wolverine. We actually don't need to cast anyone else,
Speaker 3: Like just cast Laura kinneyon and call her a Wolverine,
Speaker 3: like call cast Daphnie Keene. So I think that shows
Speaker 3: her impact. I also think her experience of Weapon X
Speaker 3: is some of the best we ever got. Next up,
Speaker 3: is this why I'm very excited when you've said this, Jason.
Speaker 3: I also added Forge to my list. I think Storm
Speaker 3: does not exist without Forge. I also was really struggling
Speaker 3: because I love a lot of the like anterior kind
Speaker 3: of X Men, so like I really wanted to have
Speaker 3: Chamber on here, but he just couldn't make it up
Speaker 3: with like, there's not a Chamber T shirt.
Speaker 2: You can buy a hot topic.
Speaker 3: You can buy a T shirt with anyone else on
Speaker 3: here a hot topic, even Forge. Now, like there is
Speaker 3: a cultural understanding of who these characters are that many
Speaker 3: of the other teams like the New Me and an
Speaker 3: X Factor and X Force and stuff, have not fully
Speaker 3: managed to do. And I think that Forge's appearance in
Speaker 3: X ninety seven also adds to the cultural cachet, even
Speaker 3: though I would say that the Forge stormship is kind
Speaker 3: of like a low key shipping comics post Wakanda and
Speaker 3: Storm and to Challa and Storm and Thora and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's there for me. Then I also have Silock.
Speaker 3: I think she's amazing. Polaris also there for me. She's
Speaker 3: number twenty three. I love Polaris. I love the relationship
Speaker 3: with Magneto. She is also there for me as kind
Speaker 3: of like an emotional stand in for the fact that
Speaker 3: I cannot put Scarlet Witch on this.
Speaker 2: It just does make sense.
Speaker 3: To put her a Pietro on it in my opinion.
Speaker 3: But as much as that they're you know, it's an Avengers,
Speaker 3: they're Avengers.
Speaker 2: But but I think that.
Speaker 3: Magneto's connection to his children and the way he treats
Speaker 3: them as such a key part of X men, such
Speaker 3: a key part of who.
Speaker 2: He is, and I think having Polaris represents that.
Speaker 3: But also her power set's crazy, like I thought, the
Speaker 3: way that they brought that to life. Also, just as
Speaker 3: an x NERD, very very rare for a child to
Speaker 3: take on their parents' powers, So I also kind of
Speaker 3: think that's really cool.
Speaker 2: And then I also have Jubilation Lee.
Speaker 3: I think that if you were an X Men ninety
Speaker 3: two lover, or you grew up in the nineties, you
Speaker 3: cannot deny her. I think the fact that she's still
Speaker 3: so popular and they've never been able to really successfully
Speaker 3: adapt her. Obviously, we did get Lana Condor as Jubilee,
Speaker 3: but they barely gave her any scenes.
Speaker 2: We didn't really get to see her kind of blow up.
Speaker 3: And the fact that she is still regularly fan arted
Speaker 3: cosplays like her impact is just so much huger than
Speaker 3: we can even you know. I think there's people who
Speaker 3: could probably argue Jubilee could be in their top ten
Speaker 3: if they grew up in the nineties post you know,
Speaker 3: only Giant size and ninety two.
Speaker 2: I think that would be very fair.
Speaker 3: My final one is going to be controversial because there
Speaker 3: are no hot topic t shirts of her. She has
Speaker 3: only been in one comic book, but I think that
Speaker 3: the narrative of that very book allows me to do that.
Speaker 2: It is one of my.
Speaker 3: Most favorite X Men comics that I've talked about many
Speaker 3: times on here, but probably not for a while.
Speaker 2: It is called Worst X Men Ever.
Speaker 3: It is by This is a crazy tak, This is
Speaker 3: a crazy take, But I think that the entire reveal
Speaker 3: of this story is that she is the most important
Speaker 3: X Men, so I'm going to include her. So basically,
Speaker 3: Worst X Men Ever is about a guy called Bailey Hoskins.
Speaker 3: It's written by Max Bemis of Say Anything fame, and
Speaker 3: it's drawn by the incredible Michael Walsh has since become
Speaker 3: one of the biggest hit makers in comics, and essentially
Speaker 3: it's about a guy who has the worst power ever,
Speaker 3: Bailey Hoskins.
Speaker 2: He can only blow up once, but at the end of.
Speaker 3: The book, in one of the reveals, I still remember
Speaker 3: reading in the comic shop and just thinking, we're so profound.
Speaker 2: And she has literally never been in another comic.
Speaker 3: Nobody loves this character, and I think that makes it
Speaker 3: even more special.
Speaker 2: She's in this five issue series.
Speaker 3: Her name is Miranda, and she is essentially a young
Speaker 3: black woman who is a mutant whose power is to
Speaker 3: control time and and kind of change things.
Speaker 2: And her essential job has to.
Speaker 3: Be in the background of X history, helping the X
Speaker 3: Men and never getting any fucking.
Speaker 2: Response or coverage.
Speaker 3: Or anything, and she is essentially like what if the
Speaker 3: Watcher was involved? And her whole life is to sit
Speaker 3: in the background of other people getting the credit while
Speaker 3: she manipulates time.
Speaker 2: It's so well done.
Speaker 3: I thought it was a fucking heartbreaking reveal. And at
Speaker 3: the end even Bailey gets his moment. So that's my
Speaker 3: wild card twenty five because narratively it fits him because
Speaker 3: none of the X Men exist without her. If that
Speaker 3: comic is still cannon, but no one's gonna be buying
Speaker 3: a Miranda shirt, but I can. I would buy one
Speaker 3: Disney if you made it. So she's my She's my
Speaker 3: wild card because that narratively works, And I was struggling.
Speaker 3: I think once you get past twenty this becomes way harder.
Speaker 3: But Jason, I loved your formula because I think that
Speaker 3: the impact conversation and the vibes conversation. It's funny because
Speaker 3: so many of my choices were driven by that, and
Speaker 3: yet we still ended up with twenty three the twenty
Speaker 3: two out of twenty five that were the same.
Speaker 1: Well, we'd love to hear what your top X men?
Speaker 1: Who your top X men? In the next week's episodes
Speaker 1: of X Ray Vision. We're diving into stuff and news.
Speaker 1: We'll be doing our Top twenty five X Villains later
Speaker 1: the week. Stay tuned for that. That's it for this episode.
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