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Speaker 3: much emphasis on, because it is something that we can

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Speaker 3: relate to and we can understand. We are good public speakers.

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Speaker 3: We know how to speak into a microphone, we know

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Speaker 3: how to say interesting things. We don't know how to

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Speaker 3: run the West Coast offense, right, We don't know how

433
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Speaker 3: to block a three hundred pound guy who runs a

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Speaker 3: four or five. And so I think that there is

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Speaker 3: some degree of they're playing our game. They're answering our questions,

436
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Speaker 3: They're in front of our microphones, in front of our cameras,

437
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Speaker 3: so they're on our turf. So let's judge them at

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Speaker 3: our game because it's something that we are obviously better

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Speaker 3: at and understand and our train for. We're the pros

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Speaker 3: in that arena. So I do think sometimes we overrate it.

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Speaker 3: But that is not to I say all of that,

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Speaker 3: then say to your point, Sometimes when I see a

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Speaker 3: guy up there, I'm like, there's just no way that

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Speaker 3: he can command a room, right, you know, Or like

445
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Speaker 3: there's no way that his players are not making fun

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Speaker 3: of him behind his back, or whatever the conclusion. So

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Speaker 3: I'm not it's not a hard and fast rule of

448
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Speaker 3: Matt Eberflus Bear's coach. I think he's a nice guy

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Speaker 3: who listens to his players, But I think he's a

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Speaker 3: little vanilla, little corny some dad jokes. I mean, I've

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Speaker 3: had guys say like, yeah, you know, dad joke, Grandpa Fluse,

452
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Speaker 3: Like we laugh, we laugh at him a little bit, like,

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Speaker 3: not in a mean way, not in a disrespectful way.

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Speaker 3: But I don't believe that he's like all of their

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Speaker 3: guys that they would go to the mat for forever.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he's that guy. Dan Campbell

457
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Speaker 3: very clearly is that guy. His team has taken on

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Speaker 3: the culture of Dan Campbell. I do wonder if there's

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Speaker 3: an expiration date on something like that, Like if you

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Speaker 3: give me the great culture builder or the great schematic mind,

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Speaker 3: I'll take the great schematic mind. Like I'd be interested

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Speaker 3: into knowing what Ben what Dan Campbell's team looks like.

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Speaker 3: When Ben Johnson takes a head coaching job and a

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Speaker 3: couple of the TI players leave. You know, I'd much

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Speaker 3: rather have Kyle Shanahan than Dan Campbell. Would not even

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Speaker 3: be close for me, because I've seen that Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 3: can overachieve. So I think that there's obviously something to it.

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Speaker 3: These are billion dollar organizations. You're representing yourself publicly. It's

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Speaker 3: a glimpse for us into their world. But I also think,

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Speaker 3: I mean, how you know way more coaches than I do.

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Speaker 3: I know plenty. I've covered the NFL for a while.

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Speaker 3: What are their work weeks? One hundred hours? One hundred

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Speaker 3: plus hour work weeks. They're in front of the camera

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Speaker 3: for an hour a week post game Monday Wednesday. So

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Speaker 3: I think we get so much content out of that

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Speaker 3: hour that they're in front of our cameras and microphones

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Speaker 3: that we, by definition overrate its value because to them

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Speaker 3: it's one percent of their work week. To us, it's

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Speaker 3: one hundred percent of what we see into the building

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Speaker 3: that isn't broadcast on our TVs on Sunday night, Monday

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Speaker 3: night and Thursday. So I just I do I think

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Speaker 3: it matters, but I think the media overrates it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the you know, it's it's it's it's an interesting

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Speaker 1: time in the NFL because I mean, we all acknowledge

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Speaker 1: and he reads a great coach, and then there are

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Speaker 1: coaches like Shanahan, Lafleur, McVeigh. It's a lot of offensive guys,

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Speaker 1: you know MCF Yeah, Shanahan McVeigh. You know, we know

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Speaker 1: they're Lafleur, they they're Dan Campbell culture builder, So I

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Speaker 1: aways tend to think every coach has a specialty. I

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Speaker 1: think the play sheet for Shanahan is his thing. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: to a fault, he's glued to it. I think McVeigh

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Speaker 1: is the better public speaker, a little more alpha. He's

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Speaker 1: the culture builder. Not that he's bad on a play sheet,

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Speaker 1: but he's a culture builder. I think Lafleur's a little

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Speaker 1: of both. He's not as dynamic as McVeigh in the

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Speaker 1: locker room. I was told that when he was in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: But he's he's good enough, and he's good on the

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Speaker 1: play She been not good as Shanahan, And I think

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Speaker 1: there's you know, when I look at coaches, I always

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Speaker 1: I look at quarterbacks and coaches the same way. When

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Speaker 1: I look at a quarterback out of college, there's got

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Speaker 1: to be at least one wow. So Daniel Jones has

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Speaker 1: no wow, so it doesn't work for me. Joe Burrow's

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Speaker 1: accuracy was wow. Josh Allen size Lamar's speed, Jayden Daniels

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Speaker 1: a little of both. There's a wow. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's refined. But when I saw Josh Allen, first year

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Speaker 1: jump over a linebacker, I'm like wow. So my first

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Speaker 1: take is a trubisky no wow. Daniel Jones, right, no wow?

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Speaker 1: Ej Manual, no Wow. Like, if I don't see a wow,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna last, or you're gonna need a perfect coach.

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Speaker 1: That's why I was into Sam Darnold. I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I see the wow. He is freaking an athlete with

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Speaker 1: a big arm and he runs over. He's like a

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Speaker 1: poor man's Andrew Luck or maybe a better man's Carson Wentz.

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Speaker 1: Like he's you know, but we know he's not Luck.

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Speaker 1: But I think he's better at his best than car

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Speaker 1: and Wentz. If I said to you best coach, Andy Reid,

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Speaker 1: is there a definitive to you second best coach in

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Speaker 1: the league. Because Shanahan's liability has been late game lead

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Speaker 1: of operation, and there's I can give you about six

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Speaker 1: different times in big spots.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you can. Here's the thing. This is not a formula.

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Speaker 3: It's not something that can be computed. It's just in

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Speaker 3: my own head, a guy who watches damn near every game.

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Speaker 3: I plug into the matrix for eleven hours on Sunday

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Speaker 3: from one pm Eastern to eleven thirty pm Eastern, and

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Speaker 3: then watch Monday Night Football and Thursday foot byes watch

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Speaker 3: it all. I've got a in my head. How good

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Speaker 3: is your quarterback? How good is your coach? How good

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Speaker 3: is your coordinator? How good is the rest of your roster?

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Speaker 3: How good is your owner? How good is your general manager?

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Speaker 3: How good is your cap space? Who's carrying more dead

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Speaker 3: cap money? Who's supposed to win this year? Who' supposed

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Speaker 3: to be good offensively, who'supposed to be good defensively? And

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Speaker 3: then I have all these factors, and then I'm like,

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Speaker 3: who's overachieving and who's underachieving?

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Speaker 4: Okay, So like the Eagles, they spend more money on

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Speaker 4: offense than any team in the league, number one in

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Speaker 4: cash spent on the offensive side of the ball, and

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Speaker 4: they have an offensive head coach, and they have a

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Speaker 4: high profile offensive coordinator, and they're nowhere near the best

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Speaker 4: offense in the.

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Speaker 3: League through four games. They are underachieving. That's a big

544
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Speaker 3: knock for me. On Nick Sirianni, and also Jalen Hurts.

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Speaker 3: He leads the league in turnover since the start of

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Speaker 3: last year. Kyle Shanahan, I've seen the guy in a

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl with Jimmy Garoppolo, and I've seen him in

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Speaker 3: a Super Bowl with Brock Purty. And I've seen him

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Speaker 3: in another NFC Championship game with brock Purty. I saw

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Speaker 3: him trade three first round picks to move up from

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Speaker 3: thirteen to three to take an FCS quarterback it not

552
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Speaker 3: work in Trey Lance, and then be better the next

553
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Speaker 3: year like he is. It's crazy what he gets out of.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you love brock Purty. Fine, Maybe his special or

555
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Speaker 3: his WOW is anticipatory throwing post snap processing between the ears. Fine,

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Speaker 3: we would not have said that at Iowa State. We

557
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Speaker 3: did not know that. Good job by them. He was

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Speaker 3: literally the last pick in the draft. I don't think

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Speaker 3: they knew it either. There is something to Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 3: overachieving that impresses me sure more than any And by

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Speaker 3: the way, I'm consistent on this Andy Reid, best season

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Speaker 3: of Donovan McNabb's life with Andy Reid, Mike Vick's life,

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid, Jeff Garcia's life, Andy Reid, Kevin Cobb's life,

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Speaker 3: Andy Reid, Alex Smith's life Andre Reed. Then he gets

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Speaker 3: the generational talent five thousand yards, fifty touchdowns, MVPs, Super Bowl, MVPs, rings, dynasties,

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Speaker 3: you know, like to me, Andy Reid overachieved with all

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Speaker 3: of those guys, and so that is kind of how

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Speaker 3: I look at coaches is are you overachieving or underachieving

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Speaker 3: based on your circumstance? And I would put Kyle Shanahan

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Speaker 3: to because to me, he is the most consistent overachiever

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Speaker 3: without a Hall of Fame quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so now I'm going to focus on a coach.

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Speaker 1: And you watched every minute of his career, and this

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Speaker 1: was my observation that I really think he's a coach,

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Speaker 1: but he was set up to fail. So Matt Naggi

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Speaker 1: has mitched Trubisky. Yeah who Greg Cosell told me to watch.

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Speaker 1: I was in Hawaii with my family vacationing, and Greg

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Speaker 1: Cosell said, I'm hearing that people are going to draft him.

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Speaker 1: Watch him play. I think he played. He was at Carolina,

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Speaker 1: they played Florida State. I was in Hawaii, my kids

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Speaker 1: were out in the pool, and I watched a half

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Speaker 1: and I text Greg, I'm like, I don't get it.

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Speaker 1: Front leg thrower ball dies athletic, but I don't see

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Speaker 1: the wow. I don't get it. He's athletic, dish and

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Speaker 1: they draft him. So with Aaron Rodgers in his prime

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Speaker 1: and a really stable top tier organization with Matt Stafford

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Speaker 1: in his prime. Matt Naggy got Mitch Trubisky to the

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Speaker 1: playoffs twice with the poorest ownership group in the league

589
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Speaker 1: and not considered an elite GM, and it didn't work.

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Speaker 1: And my takeaway is all these quarterbacks now get second chances,

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Speaker 1: third fourth, Darnold Baker, Derek Carr, they all do like Gino,

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Speaker 1: Andy Dalton and coaches Todd Bowles can really feel outmatched

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Speaker 1: and then go to somewhere else. And I am I

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Speaker 1: look at Matt Naggi and I'm like, just say it

595
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Speaker 1: out loud. Mitch Trubisky playoff twice with Stafford Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1: And at the time, I think the NFC was better

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Speaker 1: than the AFC. You didn't have this influx of C. J. Stroud, Mahome,

598
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Speaker 1: you didn't have these all these great quarterbacks. But you

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Speaker 1: were there. And I'm watching half the time on a

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Speaker 1: corner TV. So what what what? What was the belief

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Speaker 1: because he has not resurfaced by the way Andy brought

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Speaker 1: in right back? What was the knock on him?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so a couple of things. It's an interesting way

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Speaker 3: to frame his time in Chicago. He won the Coach

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Speaker 3: of the Year award for that twenty eighteen season. They

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Speaker 3: won where they where. They won twelve games and lost

607
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Speaker 3: on the double doinc in the in the playoff game

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Speaker 3: when Cody Parky hit the upright twice. That defense had

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Speaker 3: thirty six takeaways that year. Khalil Mack, Eddie Jackson, like

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Speaker 3: you know Eddie Jackson, I think, had six interceptions that year.

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Speaker 3: Khalil Mack was first team All Pro a Keen Hicks.

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Speaker 3: So this but this is a Vic Fangio defense. Thirty

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Speaker 3: six takeaways led the NFL, and takeaways by far. Trubisky

614
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Speaker 3: was fine. He was twenty four touchdowns, twelve interceptions. He

615
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 3: was a Pro Bowl alternate. But that team was so

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Speaker 3: defensive dominant. I remember saying at the time, like I

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Speaker 3: was a big Matt Naggy guy because I covered him

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Speaker 3: in Kansas City. I knew it. Andy Reid and other

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Speaker 3: people in the Chiefs organization had said, this is the

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Speaker 3: best coaching candidate off the Andy Reid tree that it

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Speaker 3: ever happened. I said the Andy Reid Tree so much

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Speaker 3: on my radio show that I got like started getting

623
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Speaker 3: mocked for it. Like the Andy Reid Tree. Andy reach

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Speaker 3: I was like, come on, Ron Rivera, Sean McDermott. All

625
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Speaker 3: these guys are on the Andy Reid tree, John Harbaugh,

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Speaker 3: he knows Matt Naggy, very nice guy. Mahomes swears by him,

627
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 3: Reid swears by him. But he only worked for Andy Reid.

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Speaker 3: He was a real estate agent who got hired in

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Speaker 3: Philly on an ambitious interview attempt because he had his

630
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: highest level of football before that was the Arena League

631
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Speaker 3: as a player. And then he was with Andy Reid

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Speaker 3: all in Philly, and then he was with him in

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Speaker 3: Kansas City, and then he left Kansas City for the

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Speaker 3: head coaching gig in Chicago, and Andy Reid said that

635
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Speaker 3: he let him call plays. But Andy Reid never really

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Speaker 3: lets these guys call plays. He just says that he

637
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Speaker 3: does so that they can help him get jobs. Andy

638
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: Reid does not give up play calling. And when he

639
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 3: got to Chicago, he hadn't worked for anybody else, so

640
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 3: he knew one system and he had never really called plays.

641
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: And then he gets there and he tries to make

642
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:40,760
Speaker 3: Mitch Trubisky Alex Smith no disrespects to Mitch Trubisky intended

643
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 3: Alex Smith's one of the smartest quarterbacks we've seen in

644
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 3: the NFL in the last twenty five years. Mitch isn't that. Yeah,

645
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 3: Like as a postmap processor, he can do it on

646
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: a whiteboard in you know, a backwards hat in a

647
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: meeting room, but when the bullets are flying, it speeds

648
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 3: up too fast for him. Justin Fields, man, he tried

649
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 3: to make Justin Fields that guy as a rookie, like, buddy,

650
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 3: adjust your system to the personnel that you have. It's

651
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 3: working for Justin Fields and Pittsburgh because Arthur Smith is

652
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: building an offense around him. You've got a high read,

653
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,160
Speaker 3: you've got a low read. If it's not there in

654
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 3: one or two, take off and run like it's not

655
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,919
Speaker 3: five step drops, stand in the pocket, one to read,

656
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: two reads, three reads, four reads. That's not what Justin

657
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,840
Speaker 3: Fields can do. And so Matt Nagy, I think is

658
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 3: an incredible leader, an incredible communicator, a really nice guy

659
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: who definitely knows Andy Reid's offense better than anyone not

660
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: named Andy Reid. But if you don't have the quarterback

661
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: and you're not Andy Reid, it just didn't work. So

662
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 3: maybe the second time, but I would still have the

663
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:02,319
Speaker 3: same concern with him honestly, man, Like I wanted him

664
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,440
Speaker 3: when he left Chicago. And this is a longer answer

665
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,480
Speaker 3: than maybe you were looking for. I wanted him to

666
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 3: go work for Matt Lafleur, Like, go go work for

667
00:37:12,719 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 3: a defensive head coach, Like, don't go right back to

668
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: the to the very comfortable mess where you already know everything. Like, yeah,

669
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,840
Speaker 3: it'll get you another ring, it'll get you playing in

670
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 3: the playoffs, it'll get you Andy Reid's endorsement.

671
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 5: Yes, but go go be a coach who's coach, you know,

672
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 5: Go go expand your Go study abroad, right, you know,

673
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 5: go go go study, go double major, go learn a

674
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 5: new skill, a new system.

675
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,040
Speaker 3: So I think he was just a one trick pony.

676
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 3: That was my issue with him.

677
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: People may or may not know. And I'm trying to

678
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: and I think trying to introduce you short of the audience.

679
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: That's why I like these hour talks, so people can

680
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,680
Speaker 1: see your breath of knowledge. And you're very good on gambling.

681
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: So a couple of years ago, I tried to hire

682
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,040
Speaker 1: you at the Volume and your radio station at the

683
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: time didn't like it. Blah blah blah. So I want

684
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,080
Speaker 1: I want you to show off your betting acumen. So

685
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: I think one of the more fascinating games of the

686
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: week is Dallas and Pittsburgh. It's in Pittsburgh, it's a

687
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: standalone night game. So far this year, home teams have

688
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: done very well in those standalone, highly lubricated fan based games.

689
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: So now Dallas doesn't have Brandon Cooks. Pittsburgh I think

690
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,520
Speaker 1: is favored by one and a half? Is that the

691
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: number right now?

692
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 3: I see two and a half? Okay, but I mean

693
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 3: you know it's less than three as a home favorite,

694
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 3: and you know it depends where you're shopping as always.

695
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,240
Speaker 1: Okay, So this is an interesting game to me because

696
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: I get a big quarterback edge, but I have an

697
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: offensive line with Dallas that is struggling. Offensive line struggling

698
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: going up TJ. Watt and company on the road where

699
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,360
Speaker 1: it's harder to hear. It can be problematic. Take me

700
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: into how you, as a guy who loves gambling embraces

701
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: it is good at it. How do you view that game,

702
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: which I think is the marquee game of the weekend.

703
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's it's certainly the marquee game of

704
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:21,800
Speaker 3: the weekend, with the possible exception of Buffalo Houston. A

705
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 3: couple of three and one matchups there. That's a huge

706
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: game of THEFC easily could be a playoff preview. So

707
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: I like that game a lot this weekend. You know,

708
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,319
Speaker 3: it's not the same as it was back in the day,

709
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 3: three point favorite and for home field advantage. Home field

710
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 3: advantage does not matter as much anymore. A half maybe, yeah, exactly.

711
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: Teams have gotten just much better at silent count hand signals,

712
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 3: more college offenses, more like check with me stuff calling

713
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 3: two plays in the huddle, So crowd noise just matters

714
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: less in the NFL. But it still is a home

715
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:58,359
Speaker 3: team favored by less than three. So you note that

716
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 3: it maybe would make you think that on an neutral field,

717
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: Dallas would be a slight favorite, whereas one and a

718
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: half and two and a half. I try very hard

719
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 3: to play numbers. You know, you want to bet the

720
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 3: best of the number where you want to get closing

721
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: line value. But this is not going to be one

722
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 3: of those games, because it's not going to get to

723
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh by three and one and a half, two and

724
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:23,359
Speaker 3: a half pick them not going to matter on the number. Man,

725
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 3: I think this, I think Pittsburgh's the side because what

726
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 3: do we know about Dallas. They cannot stop the run

727
00:40:31,600 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 3: at all. Period. They did it against the Giants, but

728
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 3: that is the outlier for them, Like, if they play

729
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 3: a good team that is committed to running the ball,

730
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,239
Speaker 3: they can't stop it. And all they've done since then

731
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 3: is get more injured. Lawrence injured, Parson's injured. The Steelers

732
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 3: are not a dynamic running team, but they are a

733
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: team that is committed to running the ball. Yeah, they

734
00:40:55,680 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 3: will twenty five thirty times with Naje Harris or Jalen

735
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 3: Warren obviously justin fields. So if they're committed to running

736
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 3: the ball, they will keep Dallas's offense on the sideline.

737
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,960
Speaker 3: Dallas's offense is very one dimensional. It's very Seedee Lamb focused.

738
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Speaker 1: They put him in the backfield. There's just all they

739
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 1: can do to get him the ball.

740
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Pittsburgh's defense, they gave up a few big

741
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:24,840
Speaker 3: plays to Indy. But I watched a decent amount of

742
00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 3: that game. It felt a little fluky to me, some

743
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 3: of the throws that Anthony Richardson was getting in there

744
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: at the beginning before he got hurt. Some of the

745
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 3: throws like Pittsburgh was right there. Yeah, it was not

746
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: blown coverages, it was not bad in the defensive assignments.

747
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 3: It was like they threaded a needle. I don't think

748
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: if you do that throw ten times, you're completing at

749
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 3: eight like they some of some of the big plays

750
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 3: from Indy seemed like outlier events. So Pittsburgh has the

751
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:58,360
Speaker 3: much better defense, they are healthier, they are committed to

752
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 3: running the ball, and they are home. So I like

753
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 3: Pittsburgh a lot in this game. And there's really no

754
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,959
Speaker 3: you've got to get this number on this spot because

755
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 3: whether it's two and a half, one and a half,

756
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,720
Speaker 3: two one, very few NFL games fall in that number.

757
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 3: So you could be comfortable to say, who do you

758
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: think is going to win the game? And I'm happy

759
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 3: to lay those points. So I'm I'm confidently on Pittsburgh

760
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: in this spot.

761
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Also again young Dallas offensive line, and yeah, road games

762
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: on the standalone, later games, it's really hard for offensive linemen.

763
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,920
Speaker 1: The quarterback and the coach can talk, but it can

764
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: get pretty tough. I mean you you watch teams like

765
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: Buffalo completely unravel against Baltimore, like like I gotta tell you,

766
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: have you ever like you know we were talking, We'll

767
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: wrap it up with this. So I was watching Detroit

768
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: and Seattle.

769
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: And we were on this one. You like Seattle in that.

770
00:42:52,160 --> 00:42:54,240
Speaker 1: Game, right, Well, I didn't.

771
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 3: Actually was my favorite line of the week.

772
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead. So once I found out Seattle was

773
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: missing not two, but full all four of their top

774
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,239
Speaker 1: defensive linemen against that old line, I'm like, okay, I'm

775
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:07,840
Speaker 1: on the wrongs. I knew it before the game started.

776
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: I find out, like, okay, because they were banged up.

777
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,399
Speaker 1: I didn't know all four were gonna be gone and

778
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: my bad. Sure, okay, whatever. So but the fact that

779
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: Gino Smith had thirty eight first downs and Aikman was

780
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 1: acknowledging that do this guy is pminent and you do

781
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: get to a point. I think you do get to

782
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 1: a point sometimes with these quarterbacks, Like it took me

783
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: a while to figure out brock Purty, but I think

784
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: now he could hoist a trophy. With Shanahan, I don't

785
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: think it would be easy, but I can see it.

786
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:48,840
Speaker 3: And the guy's in the super Bowl. You can If

787
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: you can get to the super Bowl, you can win

788
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: the Super Bowl.

789
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: Same with GoF he can hoist a trophy. Garoppolo Lake

790
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: Kansas City in the fourth quarter if he hits one

791
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,359
Speaker 1: pass right, yeah, And I'm sitting there and a lot

792
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 1: of these guys, I don't see Baker, Derek Carr as

793
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: a lot of these middling guys. I'm like, no, I'm

794
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: watching Gino Smith make throws. And if you didn't know

795
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: it was Gino Smith, the timing routes, the back shoulder stuff,

796
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I know, DK Metcalf's good, but there was

797
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure. It was on the road. It

798
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: was thirty eight first downs, defensive head coach and a

799
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: college offensive coordinator. I'm sitting there like, if Seattle had

800
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: three of their four defensive front guys, that's a real game.

801
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 1: Is Gino a potential hoisted Trophy guy? Because damn he's big,

802
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: he's strong, he moves. I mean, Aikman was saying, this

803
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,319
Speaker 1: thing is he has got a heater on this thing.

804
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: He makes high degree of difficulty throws consistently. He's incredibly impressive.

805
00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: You know what's funny what I've been thinking about with

806
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: Gino uh this year so far, I think one of

807
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 3: the single biggest stories in the NFL. And there are

808
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 3: a few I think that I just can't really stop

809
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 3: thinking about, but one of them is we all say

810
00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 3: that we know that situation matters. It's not just like,

811
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 3: what if Mitch Trubisky would have been drafted to Andy

812
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,360
Speaker 3: Reid and Patrick Mahomes would have been drafted to the Bears? Right,

813
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 3: it's a great what if? What would mahomes his career

814
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: look like? What would Trubisky's career look like? If Trubisky

815
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 3: had Kelsey and Reed and Tyreek Hill in that infrastructure

816
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 3: right sitting behind out Smith the whole thing. I like

817
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,000
Speaker 3: to play that game on sports radio all the time.

818
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: We do these unanswerable hypotheticals. Sam Darnold is ballin', yes,

819
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 3: Geno Smith is ballin'. Justin Field's career highs in efficiency,

820
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 3: taking fewer sacks, turning the ball over less, higher passer

821
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 3: rating than any time in his career, higher completion percentage

822
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,600
Speaker 3: than any time in his career, winning seventy five percent

823
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 3: of his games. Baker Mayfield has found a home. All

824
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 3: of these guys were left for dead.

825
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 1: That's right.

826
00:45:55,400 --> 00:46:00,919
Speaker 3: So we are all coming out now in saying, oh,

827
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: of course, Minnesota is good. Kevin O'Connell, great coach, Brian Flores,

828
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 3: great coach. Can anyone find any member of the media,

829
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 3: that didn't have them finishing fourth of the division four

830
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I mean, and by the way, me too,

831
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: guilty as charged. And I covered the NFC North and

832
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 3: I've said that Kevin O'Connell's an awesome coach for seven years,

833
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 3: like five years whatever it's been like, so can I

834
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 3: see Gino hoisting a Lombardi Trophy maybe, Like it's it's

835
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 3: not an anti geno point for me to say, No,

836
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: what is the situation good enough for him to.

837
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,240
Speaker 1: It's the NFC, it's not the AFC.

838
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 3: Sure you're right, now, here's why I love Detroit. In

839
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: that game, though, uh, people were going crazy over three

840
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 3: and O Seattle and McDonald coming from Baltimore, our youngest

841
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 3: head coach, their defense the whole thing. I was like, Okay,

842
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: they had beaten Jacoby Brissette, Nicks and Skyler Thompson, right,

843
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 3: like can we we Every game matters in the NFL,

844
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 3: Every week matters. But some teams were judging through the

845
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 3: prism of four games. Seattle new coach, Let's judge them

846
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 3: through just this season. Minnesota new quarterback, let's judge them

847
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 3: just through the prism of this season. But I judge Detroit,

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Speaker 3: same head coach, same offensive coordinator, same offensive line, same

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Speaker 3: quarterback Aiden Hutchinson. I'm on Ross Saint Brown, Laporta, Gibbs, Montgomery.

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Speaker 3: It's the same team that last year whilst by three

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Speaker 3: to the Niners in the NFC Championship game, and it

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Speaker 3: was one of the five best teams in the NFL

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Speaker 3: all season. Like they have a twenty plus game body

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Speaker 3: of work to me of being a top five or

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Speaker 3: six team in the NFL. Seattle had three games of

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Speaker 3: beating bad quarterbacks. So I know that's not exactly an

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Speaker 3: answer on Geno Smith, but I also look at that way,

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Speaker 3: like Baltimore, I give them the benefit of the doubt,

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Speaker 3: Kansas City, I give them the benefit to the doubt.

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Speaker 3: Like teams that Buffalo. I picked them to win the

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Speaker 3: AFC East. They've done it the last four years, like

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Speaker 3: they to me, they deserve the benefit of the doubt

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Speaker 3: over some of these newcome teams that we're thinking are

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Speaker 3: going to be the hot thing in the moment. So

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Speaker 3: it's the NFC. Gino is slinging it, But I need

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Speaker 3: to see them actually beat good teams with this defense,

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Speaker 3: with this coach before I think that they could go.

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Speaker 3: And I mean assuming you think San Francisco's gonna win

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Speaker 3: that division, They'd have to go like at to you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe at Detroit, at Green Bay, at San Francisco or

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Speaker 3: something like that to win a super Bowl. That's just

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Speaker 3: a very, very tough path because I haven't seen them

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Speaker 3: beat good teams yet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my AFC division winners. I think the

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Speaker 1: AFC is easier than the NFC. I had Josh Allen, Bills,

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Speaker 1: C J. Stroud, Patrick Mahomes, and Lamar Jackson, and they're

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Speaker 1: all going to win their division. The NFC, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm like Stafford McVeigh and then they have cluster injuries

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, they may they're not as good as

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Speaker 1: Sea Lower San Francisco. Now. I tend to just lean

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Speaker 1: on quarterbacks, but I it was interesting why. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold I think is more gifted than Gino. But

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Speaker 1: I watched Gino. I've watched them all season long, and

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Speaker 1: in that game on that road, basically in a track

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Speaker 1: meet and trailing the entire game, and you know, Detroit

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Speaker 1: knows he's got to throw. I was blown away in

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Speaker 1: a losing out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's he's impressive, man. And I also what I

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Speaker 3: like about him too, And I know we've got to

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Speaker 3: wrap up and maybe maybe next time on the pod.

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Speaker 3: It's become a league of like checkdowns. Everyon's talking about

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Speaker 3: two high safety right taking and dunking. Right. We don't

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Speaker 3: have time to get into all of it, but I

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Speaker 3: think it's one of the biggest stories of in the

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Speaker 3: NFL right now. Uh he'll take shots? Oh yeah, like

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Speaker 3: like like Gino. Gino's a fun watch like he he is.

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Speaker 3: He is out there saying I will throw to the

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Speaker 3: second and third level of the defense. I will fire

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Speaker 3: this out route, this fifteen yard out with my arm strength,

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Speaker 3: like he is not there to matriculate the ball down

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Speaker 3: the field six yards at a time, like he will

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Speaker 3: throw the ball. So I love watching him play.

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Speaker 1: All right, Danny Parkins FS one. His show is Breakfast Ball.

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Speaker 1: I love to bring him on regularly in our show.

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Speaker 1: The guy knows everything he is. There's a matrix quality

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Speaker 1: where he's in and out of sports and opinions, and

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Speaker 1: he could do politics. We're not interested. I'm really not interested.

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Speaker 1: I watched that thing last night. I have no opinion.

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Speaker 1: Civility won. I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I tapped that out after about forty five minutes. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I was. Yeah. I don't want to talk that with

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Speaker 3: you on Mike right now. Let's put it that way.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe another day, maybe maybe another day.

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Speaker 1: Not at the end of the pod, come on, all right,

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Speaker 1: good to anybody.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, Tom the volume.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much for listening. If you've enjoyed the podcast,

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