1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to The Dan Patrick Show podcast. Be 2 00:00:02,600 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: sure to catch us live every weekday morning nine to 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:08,799 Speaker 1: noon Eastern or six to nine Pacific on Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Find your local station for The Dan Patrick Show at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching f s R 7 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: or stream us live on the Peacock app. You are 8 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: listening to The Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. 9 00:00:26,440 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: What up? Welcome head morning to you, Doug Gottlieb, TJ. Houshminzotta. 10 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: This is the Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: What a day we got for you in sports? Obviously 12 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: we had NBA basketball last night, you got little college shops. 13 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Today you got three NFL games and you have a 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: two time pro bowler and t J. Hushminzotta to break 15 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: them all down for you. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in TJ. 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: Did you ever play on Thanksgiving? Absolutely, it's the same 17 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: team as the Cowboys, the Lions and whomever they play, 18 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: and so they normally always make that either a division 19 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:09,959 Speaker 1: game or a conference game. So absolutely not, but always practiced. 20 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: Like it's eleven o'clock East Coast time, guys are practicing 21 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,559 Speaker 1: some guys probably started practice at ten, some at nine. 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,840 Speaker 1: But everybody's out there practicing day. Every single team that 23 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: that isn't playing today, they're practicing as we speak. Yeah, 24 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: in college basketball. Um, college basketball, you practice if you 25 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 1: don't play, like you don't play. Now there's a lot 26 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: more Thanksgiving tournaments than there used to be. Uh these, 27 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: but but uh, you practice in the morning and then 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: like when I was at Notre Dame, we went to 29 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: each went to a coach's house. When I was at 30 00:01:44,240 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: oklahom State, we go to the country club and and coaches. 31 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 1: My coach's late wife, Patsy Sutton, she would she'd come 32 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: into locker room or come to practice like two weeks 33 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: before and pass out like a paper where everybody got 34 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: to write down your favorite dish and then whoever made 35 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 1: it for you at homes numbers like your mom or 36 00:02:05,240 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: your grandma or your your dad or your grandpa whatever, 37 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: whoever cooked before. You're like, well, I want that, you 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: know how some people have that what's that purple kind 39 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 1: of casseroli sort of thing that people somebody will tweet 40 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: us at Gottlieb Show. Yeah, I don't eat casserole. Yeah, 41 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: but it was like a purple mushroom and mushroom marshmallow 42 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: something jelloy. I don't know, but like we had somebody 43 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 1: get that, and we had dudes like, I want mac 44 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:27,320 Speaker 1: and cheese, but I want to like how my mom 45 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: makes it. I want I want greens, but I want 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: to how my grandma makes it. Anyway, that's how that's 47 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: how they would get They would get the recipe and 48 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: then they get the recipe to the chefs and they 49 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: try and Matt and the chef and they try and 50 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 1: match it. It It was kind of cool. But practice in 51 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 1: the morning, you'd eat and they're like, hey, let's come 52 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: back and practice the night, and it doesn't matter what 53 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: you did. It was it was not productive at all 54 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: after eating all that food. Not productive at all. I 55 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: mean for us in the NFL, that was the culture. 56 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: Would always have you practice in the morning so that 57 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: you can spend Thanksgiving, what's your family. For the most parts, 58 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: you're down pretty early. You won't watch the practice film 59 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: of practice today. You'll do that tomorrow, and so that 60 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 1: that's why you kind of get out of there early. 61 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: So tomorrow will be a little longer than normal. Because Friday, 62 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: if you play on Sunday as normally you get out 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,320 Speaker 1: fairly early, but not tomorrow because although he's giving you 64 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: a break today, you're gonna make it up tomorrow. So 65 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: then you so you go home and then you always 66 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 1: watch the games? Or you were you still? You know, 67 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: once you start to have a family, was it too 68 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: much family time to even watch? What else is going on? No? 69 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: Will you miss part of the first game? Oh no, no, no, no, no, 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: I'm watching every game, Doug. I just love football, man, No, 71 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: I know you do. Now I'm talking about as a player. 72 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: As a player, Yeah, like that. That love for football 73 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: was created before I got to the league. Stayed with me. 74 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, I would watch the game's family if we 75 00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: got family over. Um, we're watching a game. We may 76 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: play some spades, some pity pass, some tonk or whatever, dominoes, whatever, maybe, 77 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 1: but we're watching a game. For sure. This is the 78 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: weirdest experience I've ever had. This just goes back my 79 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:09,880 Speaker 1: first year living in Connecticut. I just moved up there. 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: We were in town called Burlington, Connecticut, and my neighbors 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 1: I remember we moved into a house and we didn't 82 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: have It was the first time I ever heard of 83 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: a counter depth refridgerator. I moved in like no, no fridge, Like, 84 00:04:22,520 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: no big deal, We'll bring up our fridge was moving 85 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 1: up from Oklahoma City and like, yeah, you need a 86 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: counter depth fridge and we had to order it like 87 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: special or whatever. So we had like a we borrowed 88 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,200 Speaker 1: my neighbor's fridge for like a month and it was 89 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: just me and my wife and we were I remember 90 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: We're sitting there, Um, like what were we gonna do? 91 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: And thanks hive when we can't get a turkey in there? 92 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: And they our neighbors were nice enough to invite us 93 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,680 Speaker 1: to Thanksgiving dinner, so um, we walk over their house right. 94 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: I don't know if we baked something or something, and 95 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I remember we were we were talking and drinking for 96 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: like an hour and a half and I was like, hey, um, 97 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: you guys gonna throw the game on and I've never 98 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 1: heard They're like what game? Excuse me? Wow? Excuse me? 99 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: What game? Like there are actually people that exist that 100 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:17,160 Speaker 1: don't know that it's good. Yes, wow, Like it's a 101 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:20,040 Speaker 1: I mean Thanksgiving not even as much as super Remember 102 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: superow one hundred fifty million people watch. That means meby 103 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: don't watch right, And that's that's that's the other part too, 104 00:05:25,480 --> 00:05:27,920 Speaker 1: It is there are people that don't watch so baffling 105 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: to me that people don't watch sports like that is 106 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:33,479 Speaker 1: really what are you? Are you even watching TV? And 107 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: if you are, what are you have a lot of Well, 108 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: you have a lot more free time. You have a 109 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: lot more free time than the rest of us do 110 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: right on on weekends because you know, like yet yet 111 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: kids in sports and then you watch sports on like 112 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: what else do sports tea? Like? Take away from sports 113 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 1: being extremely fun, like it's so fun to play. Yes, 114 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: the lessons that you learn that you don't realize you're learning, 115 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 1: the way you communicate with people that come from so 116 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: many different backgrounds, so different than you. I mean, it 117 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 1: teaches you so many lessons, how to fight through adversity, 118 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: how to handle your wins, your loss is set back. 119 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: There's just so many things you learn from sports that 120 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: it's the best. It's nothing like it, nothing like it, 121 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,640 Speaker 1: nothing like it at all. Let's let's get to one 122 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,720 Speaker 1: of the stories to day, which is Lebron James goes 123 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: off last night, plays really well, no, Anthony Davis. They 124 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: come from behind force overtime where actually they had to 125 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: lead and Indie forced overtime. Indie's just gotten healthy and 126 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: they're player playing much better off late goes overtime. Lebron 127 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: ends up with thirty nine points and kind of wins 128 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: the game, seeminglarly on his own in terms of his 129 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 1: own scoring. But the one of at least one of 130 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 1: the stories with Lebron is going to be that he 131 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: had a fan ejected now at thirty nine, five rebounds, 132 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,240 Speaker 1: six assists, and the outscore of the Pacers twelve to 133 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: four in overtime. But the big question is um why 134 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: Lebron had two fans rude because if you if you've 135 00:07:06,200 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: seen the highlights by now, it wasn't like hey I 136 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: heard something over here was him and her, they're out, 137 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: here's Lebron after the game, Lebron, what can you share 138 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: about that interaction with the fan, what they did or 139 00:07:19,680 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: what was uncomfortable for you? I mean, nothing is uncomfortable 140 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:29,400 Speaker 1: for me, but you know, it's a difference between cheering 141 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: on your your your home, faithful, you know, buoying opponents 142 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: and things of that nature, or not one of your 143 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: opponents to be successful. And then there's you know, moments 144 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: where he goes outside the line. What I've seen gestures 145 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:49,640 Speaker 1: and words and that shouldn't be tolerating our game from nobody. Um, 146 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: I would never say it to a fan, and a 147 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 1: fan should never say it to a player. So that's it. Okay, 148 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 1: So the question you share about that and so so 149 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 1: TJ now that you've heard Lebron's response, which is he 150 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,800 Speaker 1: didn't want to share the magic words. And my case 151 00:08:07,080 --> 00:08:11,239 Speaker 1: for Lebron is threefold, right, Like, look to me, this 152 00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: completely deescalates without having to be like you don't have 153 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:17,559 Speaker 1: to be confrontation. You just go him and her out 154 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 1: and if you look at the ticket, they have the 155 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: right to kick you out anytime you want. I think 156 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: it's a good deterrent for other fans. I think it's 157 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,400 Speaker 1: I honestly think, as a guy who's as respected as 158 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 1: anyone who's ever played in the league, like, it's a 159 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: good like, Hey, dude, don't need to get into it 160 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 1: with these people. If you if something gets the level 161 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,760 Speaker 1: of being over the line, just kick him out and 162 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 1: let's move on this plus play ball. So I but 163 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: but here's the biggest thing. When he pointed to the 164 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,240 Speaker 1: dude and the woman and the woman they both had 165 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: like matching leather jackets or whatever. You could tell they 166 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 1: were together if you ever get to that point where 167 00:08:50,480 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: matching shoot me. But they didn't put up a fight. 168 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: They weren't pointing the no, no, no no, what me? What 169 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: are you talking? They didn't do the hands point palms 170 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: towards guy, like what are you talking about? They were 171 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 1: just like, yeah, you got us, so sorry, put under jacket, 172 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: walked out. Okay, so now you've heard this sound, you've 173 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,559 Speaker 1: heard my case. Do you support Lebron James kicking these 174 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:16,520 Speaker 1: people out? I really I need to know what was said, 175 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 1: Like fans are fans of their team. What could they 176 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: have said that said him off to where the other 177 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:31,520 Speaker 1: fans and say, hey guys, you guys might want to 178 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: chill out, like chill out? What why are you? Why 179 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: are you saying this? And so I just won? How 180 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: much should they pay for those tickets? Two? They did 181 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: pretty much see the majority of the game. I just 182 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: would like to know what was said, But Lebron doesn't. 183 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:54,960 Speaker 1: We haven't seen this happen where a player literally just 184 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: I want these two and so whatever they said really 185 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 1: got under his and it really bothered him to the 186 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: point where he was like, I'm not dealing with this 187 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: any longer? Can these people be ejected? And so for 188 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,199 Speaker 1: that matter, I do agree with it, but I would 189 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: like to know what was said, because as a fan, 190 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 1: you're chairing for your team, you're gonna say, number one, 191 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: you think they had a couple of adult beverages, or 192 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,960 Speaker 1: maybe more than a couple, and so that that messed 193 00:10:32,960 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: their judgment up, and they say certain things that they 194 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't have said. And so that's why I would like 195 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: to know, because you don't want to start setting a 196 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: president that if a fan is going at you chairing 197 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,079 Speaker 1: on their team and it may go overboard, are they 198 00:10:47,080 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: gonna get kicked out? Are they not supposed to say 199 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 1: anything to the player. If that's the case, let's move 200 00:10:52,679 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: these seats back a little further so they don't have 201 00:10:55,120 --> 00:11:00,000 Speaker 1: that access where they're really up on the players that way. 202 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: And so I think that's unique about the NBA is 203 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: the fans are so close to the players. I'll look 204 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: and that's that's part of the sale, right, And that's 205 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: what makes them a lot of money, is that you 206 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: can see them. And there are some some uh some 207 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 1: Twitter Twitter speculation that it was about it was about 208 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: Brawnie whatever, but here, here's the deal. Okay, fans. I 209 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 1: get that they're fanatics. I get that they pay a 210 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 1: lot of money, But there are a lot of people 211 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:27,760 Speaker 1: that go to a game. If you sit in the stands, 212 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: you're like, I cannot believe the things that you're saying. 213 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: I just I can't say it to like, you know, 214 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: we've seen the fight videos, like what is the You're like, 215 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: what is the matter with people? You know? I remember 216 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: I've done games. Last year we had to broadcast I 217 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: did the Big Ten Tournament. We had a broadcast from like, 218 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,319 Speaker 1: you're like up, You're not on the court level, so 219 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,559 Speaker 1: you're up. We're up, like it was in the new 220 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: Indie Dome whatever that's I can't remember what that's called. 221 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: And you're like up basically in and amongst the fans, 222 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: and you'll have people yelling out things. You're like, what 223 00:11:57,320 --> 00:11:59,839 Speaker 1: are you doing? Why would you? How would you ever? 224 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: And there's people around and they're kind of uncomfortable too. 225 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 1: But you just I understand what you're saying. DJ. I'm 226 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: just telling you, Like, there's a Bill Burr is a 227 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: great comedian, right, he has that he has that he 228 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: had the bit about the mouth of the Palace, and 229 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 1: the idea of the bit was, Hey, how many years 230 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 1: did you heard guys go like come up here? Why 231 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: don't you come up here? Well, Ron Artests came up 232 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: there and knocked out an entire row of people with 233 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,079 Speaker 1: one punch, right, Like fans on some level have it 234 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: coming right and like, I just I get it, like 235 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: you hear something like you know what, I'm just I'm done. 236 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,600 Speaker 1: Do I think Lebron is super sensitive? Yeah? But dan 237 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 1: do I think the idea of like you can't talk 238 00:12:37,760 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: about my family and if it was you know what 239 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: duck Lebron has been getting getting this his entire career 240 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:46,200 Speaker 1: doesn't make it because he's been the man. And so 241 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 1: that's why I'm saying, like, is it is he's getting older, 242 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 1: He's going to tolerate less because I mean Ron Artests 243 00:12:52,320 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: he was stuff was thrown on him. Is as Lebron 244 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:01,320 Speaker 1: has played so many years, has his patience I'm tired, 245 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:04,439 Speaker 1: I'm not done with this anymore? Yes, Or that they 246 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:09,600 Speaker 1: really overstepped their boundaries. I think that. I think he's 247 00:13:09,640 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: that he got he's gotten older, and I think it's 248 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: that he's seen it probably crank up. I think Look, 249 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: I think The Russell thing puts everybody kind of on 250 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 1: edge a little bit. Plus you're coming off that Detroit thing. 251 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: I think it's like kind of all factored in, and 252 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,559 Speaker 1: people just you know, they have a couple of SIPs 253 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:26,160 Speaker 1: of beer, they're sitting real close. They think they can 254 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 1: yell anything to you. My deal is if they didn't 255 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 1: say anything wrong. If I paid a grand for a 256 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: ticket to see Lebron James, I don't care if there's 257 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: five seconds left to go whatever and somebody comes and says, 258 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: kick me out, like yo, I didn't say anything wrong. 259 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: I would have put up a major fight. Tickets costs 260 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: in Andy, how much you think they cost? They are 261 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: not cheap, James. The one time he yeah more than 262 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:57,199 Speaker 1: that about that was that was like mid court feet 263 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: on the wood, right, like my buddy's a pump, say, 264 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: like it ain't on the wood. It ain't no good 265 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: right feet on the wood that those are? Yeah, you're paying. 266 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: You're definitely paying at least four figures for each seat 267 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:13,719 Speaker 1: to sit there. My guess is, um not probably mid 268 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: four figures right, Like you're over over a thousand, maybe 269 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: over two thousand bucks. That will be a warning to 270 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: all as you'm saying. If it ain't on the wood, 271 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: it ain't no good. Shut your mouth. Enjoyed the game, Um, 272 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: just watch what you say. Just watch what you say. 273 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 1: But I don't want to take away from me. I 274 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: enjoyed it. When I could go back and forth with 275 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: a fan. It just made it fun. I mean, when 276 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: you lost, it's like when you win, it's like, yeah, 277 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: but you almost, I you almost. I actually do feel 278 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: a little bit of sympathy for Lebron because if he 279 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: doesn't say anything, you just gotta sit there and take it. 280 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: But if he does say a thing, and like, that's 281 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: his right to just go hey you and you out. 282 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:52,960 Speaker 1: I like that a lot better than Russell with Russell's 283 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: confrontation with dudes right that that is not going to 284 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: end well, Like there's just no there's no reason, like 285 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: you have the power. Just goodbye and and it's a good, 286 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: good one. Okay, what about the team? Do you like this? 287 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: The Lakers as they're currently comprised. Man, I don't like 288 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: the way we're playing, Doug Man, It's just god, it's 289 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: we're not playing good. We're not playing good defensively, we 290 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: don't we don't help the helper guys will get a jump, 291 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: it'll be a guy right there and you can just 292 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 1: contest a shot even though he's not your guy. We 293 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: kind of just sitting watch. We don't box out. The 294 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: offense doesn't flow the way it should when Lebron isn't playing. 295 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:39,320 Speaker 1: When Russ is playing, well we're good. But when he's 296 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: not and Lebron isn't playing, it's a d's gonna settle 297 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: for jump shots. And if we're hidden, jump shots were good, 298 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: but we're not really going to the whole. Like watch 299 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: when we play Milwaukee. I was just like a D. 300 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: You can do everything that Jannis does, go do this, 301 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: but he doesn't have a mentality that Jannis has. He 302 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: doesn't have that dog an that Jannis has it. And 303 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: so we have a long ways to go. We gotta 304 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: get better defensively. Offense is going to come and go. 305 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Defense needs to be constant. You know, there's a couple 306 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: of things there. First, it should be pointed out to 307 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: people who go, like, see, Lebron is still the best 308 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: player in the league, Like, have you seen what Jannis 309 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: has been doing all season long? Right? Like Lebron was 310 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: great last night, Jannis has basically been doing that the 311 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: entire season, and the guy is it. It's your level 312 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: of consistency when you're able to be the best player 313 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: in the league. And Jannis and KD have been more consistent. Obviously, 314 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: they've been out there more as well. Now in terms 315 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,640 Speaker 1: of Lakers, like look, I don't know how much more 316 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 1: clear it can be to people who are watching, but 317 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: you got rid of your two best perimeter defenders right 318 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: one's playing, got KCP turned in. They made KCP into 319 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: a dog defensively, he became a very good and then 320 00:16:55,400 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: Alex Crusoe. And no matter how hard it looks like 321 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: Russell Westbrook plays, he's not a great defensive player. He 322 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: takes lots of plays off though he had and he's 323 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: he's just not a spring chicken. He's at four knee surgery. 324 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Not that not that guy, nor has he ever been 325 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:14,000 Speaker 1: as consistently good defensively. But but and look, the Lakers 326 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 1: aren't on whole. You know, you don't have a reason. 327 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: You've had you've had some you know, you've had injuries 328 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 1: as well to some of your bench players, and you 329 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 1: haven't had Lebron. I think they'll be better offensively, but 330 00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:28,120 Speaker 1: I think defensively unless they add a piece or two. 331 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,600 Speaker 1: I don't see how they guard better on the perimeter. 332 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 1: Lebron's not that guy anymore. I think a reason they 333 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:36,639 Speaker 1: think is going to be the defender he was a 334 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: decade ago. He's not. And the options that they have 335 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 1: like a Russell Westbrook and a Maligue Monk and others. 336 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: While they're good players and maybe better offensively than Caruso, 337 00:17:49,640 --> 00:17:52,959 Speaker 1: they you lose that, it completely changes your identity. And 338 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 1: that's where they're going through trying to figure out what 339 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,399 Speaker 1: they are because when they won a championship two years ago, 340 00:17:57,440 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: they were defensive menace. Now they've got to be more 341 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: of an offensive the team to beat you. We and 342 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 1: also you got DeAndre Jordan, you got Dwight Howard in 343 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 1: the middle. It clogs, It clogs up the hall and 344 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: the paint. We just got to figure out who we are. 345 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: When when you look at the teams that are good, 346 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 1: hearing that it's the defense jump shots when we're making them, 347 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:26,679 Speaker 1: were the best team, and when we're not, it's like 348 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: we have to play defense. Like when Carmelo's on. Offensively, 349 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: we're hard to beat, but it's the defense, Like we're 350 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 1: about twenty some points against Oklahoma City lose. That's defense. 351 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 1: Those those are the type of games that come back 352 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: and hunt you when you lose the teams early in 353 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: the season that you should beat, and now you're playing 354 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 1: in the playing game when you shouldn't have to play 355 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: in the playing game had you won those games, you're 356 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: supposed to win. And so this defense and freak vocal 357 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: is a defensive coach. We gotta get it together. T J. 358 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: Herisman's out and joining me. Plexico Burst is going to 359 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 1: join us up coming in about fifteen minutes. Okay, was 360 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 1: some starwide receiver talk. But coming up next Mike Rabel. 361 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 1: Mike Rabel acknowledges some similarities between a team he played 362 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: on and a team he's seeing. And it's gonna see 363 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,400 Speaker 1: this weekend the NFL. Who is it? Find out next 364 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,160 Speaker 1: to Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio 365 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:27,080 Speaker 1: has the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch 366 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,200 Speaker 1: all of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com 367 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:34,359 Speaker 1: and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to listen live. 368 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 1: T Jsman's out of Doug Gottlieban for Dan and the Danets, 369 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 1: and The Dan Patrick Show Fox Sports Radio brought to 370 00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: you by Mercedes Benz. The best or nothing. The Titans 371 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,880 Speaker 1: play the Patriots this weekend. Titans are weird, weird year, right, Obviously, 372 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:54,639 Speaker 1: lose Derick Henry, You're not gonna be the same. But 373 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: four picks for Ryan Tannehill. But to beat the teams 374 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: they've beaten and then to lose to the Jets and 375 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 1: the Texans, is I mean that that's some rarefied air 376 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: right there. But anyway, Brady's taken on the Patriots, his 377 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: old team that he played for, and he said this quote, 378 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 1: I think there are similarities this between the Patriots team 379 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: this year and the two thousand and one Patriots team 380 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: that won the Super Bowl. Obviously, there's a lot of 381 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: history there with one particular quarterback, Tom Brady, and I 382 00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: think you're starting to see some of those plays start 383 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,239 Speaker 1: to look like they looked in the past. Max did 384 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 1: a nice job of executing, proving, proving what it is 385 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 1: they want him to do. It's what they're asking to do. 386 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: I'd say he has a strong grasp of what they're 387 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 1: doing now. If I remember, TJ, when you were a 388 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: rookie with the Bengals, you guys played against the Pats, 389 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: but Bledsoe was still the quarterback, right, We won no no, 390 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: no no bledso no, I believe Brady was a quarterback. 391 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: Brady came in to start. Brady came in after it 392 00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: was the week after it was week no. But remember 393 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: you forget that they had September eleventh, and then it 394 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: was shut down. I know this because this is a 395 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 1: true story, and I want your true story in a second. 396 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: So my first gig hosting a national radio show was 397 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: that Sunday. Okay, so I want you to picture this. 398 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 1: I'm in Oklahoma City. I'm still playing guy. I played 399 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: a year in Rush, I come back. I'm doing local 400 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:35,159 Speaker 1: radio in Oklahoma City, just to pay some bills and 401 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,440 Speaker 1: uh and a buddy mine. Jim Traber is the he's 402 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 1: the color analyst for the Diamondbacks, so he's Diamondbacks for good. 403 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: So I was filling in for him while he's gone 404 00:21:43,920 --> 00:21:46,399 Speaker 1: waiting for an overseas gig. Then September then nine to 405 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: eleven happens, and so everything you know, usually you leave 406 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,360 Speaker 1: to go play overseas in September and go in training. 407 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: Everything got pushed back like a month, month and a half. 408 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 1: So that next weekend, if you remember, everything was shut down, 409 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: no games, know nothing, and then the fall weekend we 410 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: had games. Well, ESPN Radio wanted to bring everybody into 411 00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:07,479 Speaker 1: Bristol do the shows, and the overnight show, which I 412 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: was a guest on when I was a player, was 413 00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:12,920 Speaker 1: called Todd right all night. And Todd didn't want to 414 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: get on a plane, didn't want to whatever. I don't 415 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,440 Speaker 1: know he was off that weekend or whatever. So they 416 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: flew me in. I flew through Cincinnati from Oklahoma City Cincinnati. 417 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 1: There were three I thought I saw three other travelers 418 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: in the airport. The rest were all National Guard with 419 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: with dogs or National Guard with machine guns. Land go 420 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: to Bristol and then I gotta watch football games. So 421 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,360 Speaker 1: I go to a place called Sliders where you get 422 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 1: wings places packed. Bledsoe gets hit trying to go out 423 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: of bounds, right, Mo who hit a Mo Mo Collins? No, 424 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 1: not m'collins. It was a linebacker for the Jets, but 425 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't Mocollins. I'll think of it in a second. Anyway, 426 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: he hits Bledsoe. I go on the air TJ molu 427 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: us yes, and Bledsoe was like it was one of 428 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: those where he was getting out of bounds, like, dude, 429 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 1: you gotta get out of bounds quick and he kind 430 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: of let up before he got out of bounds, and 431 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: I mean he got he got hit so hard as 432 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: dog probably got hurt. Right, So in goes radio and 433 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,000 Speaker 1: I'm the idiot on National Radio, first ever radio show. Everyone. 434 00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, the Pats are you can cross 435 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: them off. They're done this year. Right. Turns out that 436 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: was that was a bit wrong. Um, anyway, go ahead, 437 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: tell me your Patriots story of that season. It was 438 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 1: when when you played the Patriots. Obviously they when we 439 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: played them two thousand and one, number one. I was 440 00:23:39,240 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: inactive and so you don't really put too much stock 441 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: in it. Obviously it's my first NFL game, so you excited. 442 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 1: Then when you realize you're inactive, you really don't know 443 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: how to enact as inactives work. You just assume you're 444 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: on the team. You're gonna suit up, and then you 445 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,680 Speaker 1: go into your locker room, and you're going into the 446 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: locker room, into your locker and you're like, wait, we 447 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,920 Speaker 1: don't handle jersey on my shoulder pants, don't You don't 448 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: really understand that you're not suiting up, And so it's 449 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: like they have to because you practice all week and 450 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: so that was the first. You just didn't understand the 451 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: active inactive. And to this day, I'll never get why 452 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: you're on the team and everybody is not allowed to 453 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: suit up. I don't understand that. That's a rule that 454 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: I don't understand. They if you're on a team, you 455 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: should be able to suit up and play. But I digress. 456 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:39,600 Speaker 1: But I don't remember a ton from that game because 457 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't playing, But I do remember us winning a game. 458 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:50,000 Speaker 1: I do remember the Patriots not starting well as a 459 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: team that season and then going on to win the 460 00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The Patriots this year did not start well. 461 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,919 Speaker 1: I don't believe they'll go on and win the Super Bowl. 462 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: But when you look at the comparisons from what Vrabel 463 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: was talking about, you you can you can say, okay, yeah, 464 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:18,960 Speaker 1: I can see you know they're they're one in three. 465 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: After the first quarter of the season, You're like, oh yeah, 466 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: belichicked the messed up and drafted Mac Jones and then 467 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,439 Speaker 1: they rill off all these wins because in two thousand 468 00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: and one they were also one in three, and so 469 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 1: those comparisons are fair because record wise is very similar. 470 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: And now the Patriots are on a five game win 471 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 1: streak and before they won a Super Bowl. They finished 472 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: the season with five wins in a row and then 473 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 1: went into the playoffs and it just kept rolling. And 474 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: so similarities. I record wise, it's there. They played great 475 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 1: d defense, they don't turn the ball over. Mac Jones 476 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: is taking what the defense gives them. Rabels, you see 477 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the similarities. You want to make sure that you're not 478 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,639 Speaker 1: on that list of victims because the Tennessee there. Record wise, 479 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 1: they're a good team. But I don't really look at 480 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: him as a when you tell me, if you ask 481 00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: me who would I pick to go to represent the 482 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: AFC in the Super Bowl, I've named four or five 483 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:35,840 Speaker 1: teams before I name the Titans, and so Derrick Henry back. Yeah, 484 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: even if they have Derek carringback, because he's going to 485 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: have been out for so long that him coming back, 486 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 1: you're not gonna be in shaved. You gotta knock that 487 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,160 Speaker 1: rust off. He's gonna miss too much of the season 488 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:46,719 Speaker 1: for I believe for him to come back and make 489 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: a big impact. T Joge Benzata, Doug GOTTLIEBN for Dan 490 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 1: and the Dannettes and The Dan Patrick Show on Fox 491 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Okay, So if you don't like Tennessee and 492 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: it's in the AFC, and you said, like, look, even 493 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 1: Kansas City's offense is not what it should be. Right now, 494 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: who do you like? And when you sit here and 495 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: right right now, you know and I guess I'm I'm 496 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,080 Speaker 1: living in a moment. I like. I like the way 497 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: the culture playing on both sides of the ball. When 498 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:26,359 Speaker 1: when Lamar Jackson isn't that lineup. Obviously you liked the 499 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,720 Speaker 1: Ravens and then the Kansas City Chiefs. I was really 500 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 1: high on the Bills. I don't know what's going on 501 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: the way the coach just went in there and oh 502 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: smacked them. It wasn't even a ball game. It was 503 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: an embarrassment, really, to be honest with you. And so 504 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 1: those would be the three teams Baltimore, Kansas City, and 505 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: Indy that you say, I could see those teams. I 506 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,000 Speaker 1: just can't see Tennessee without Derreck Henry making a run 507 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 1: in the playoffs. I just don't. I mean you you 508 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: talked about this earlier, how Stafford through four picks in 509 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: two games he gave that game with Tennessee. Tennessee had 510 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: nothing offensively, Yeah, they took the game, but offensively they 511 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: didn't do much against the Rams, and so I just 512 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 1: don't see Tennessee being that type of team, and so 513 00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: they would fall in my five or six. I would probably, 514 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: if Baker's healthy, put Cleveland in front of him, because 515 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: I believe Cleveland's defense would be able to slow Tennessee's 516 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 1: offense down. Yeah, I just don't know if they'll get 517 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: to that point of being actually in the playoffs. That's 518 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: that's the problem with whatever the talent is there for 519 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: the Browns, but they just haven't been able to put 520 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: it put it all together. All right. So speaking of 521 00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: the Bills, right like, this is a you're playing a 522 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 1: completely depleted New Orleans team today, Like there's just feels 523 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: like no should be no excuses for not what's no 524 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: matter what the Bills is Josh Allen not as good 525 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: as we thought. This is a it's odd to me. 526 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say Josh Allen isn't as good as 527 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 1: we thought. I believe Josh Allen is a stud. He's 528 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: just not playing the way he played last year. Like 529 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 1: he was so lights out last year, Doug. It was 530 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: like almost scary how good he was playing, and the 531 00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: thought that he could get better and would be better 532 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 1: it was like, Wow, if Josh Allen improves, he's gonna 533 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: be a perennial MVP candidate every single year. They're just 534 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: not playing well. I thought going into the season, where 535 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: was the pass rush going to come from? They still 536 00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: they almost played how Kansas. They don't want to run 537 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: the ball. They don't try to run the ball, and 538 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: it's hurting him. But Buffalo has been a surprise for 539 00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,719 Speaker 1: me in a bad way. I thought they would be 540 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: much better than what they are. I thought that the 541 00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: vision would go through them. Yeah, let's let's bring in 542 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,280 Speaker 1: Plexkill Burrows who joins us. Of course, you can hear 543 00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:09,280 Speaker 1: plaques with LaVar Arrington and t. J. Hushminzada each Saturday 544 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: noon to two Eastern time. Plus you've been downloaded and 545 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 1: told up on game as a podcast. Plex. Let me 546 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: let me go with the I think the biggest game 547 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: is Rams Packers This Sunday, the Rams lose Robert Woods 548 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: but Gaye Odell Beckham Junior. But but my thing about 549 00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: Obj is he's more talented than Robert Woods. But he's 550 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,959 Speaker 1: not a little things guy like Robert Woods. Is. Can 551 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: you make Obj or somebody into a little things guy? 552 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,479 Speaker 1: Because they already have Cooper Cup, They already have other 553 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: people who do the big things. Man, you know what, 554 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,840 Speaker 1: I love Robert woods Man. Hey, first of all, having 555 00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:44,280 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving to you guys. Man, you know you guys out 556 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 1: there putting that work in the early morning. I'm preparing 557 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: this bird to drop it in from Greas little Fried Turkey. 558 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: This this this Thanksgiving Hey plex is the chef plex. 559 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: Is the Chell plaques. I'm I'm cooking too now I'm 560 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: smoking it outside. Oh you're smoking one. Oh man, I 561 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 1: had my. I had mine in the twenty four hour 562 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: Brian Man with some uh, some salt, some pepper corns, 563 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: some some Bailey's apples and orangins and uh you know 564 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: that's how That's how I do it over here. But yeah, 565 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: just getting it in. But yeah, man, Uh, I love 566 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: Robert woods Man. I think, uh, you know, bringing him in, 567 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: bringing ob J in to to join that offense, it's 568 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: only gonna make them better. And uh you know, even 569 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:35,400 Speaker 1: though he's down, I think the more of that O 570 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: b J gets in rapport with the offense and um 571 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,640 Speaker 1: and and Matthew Stafford. Uh uh we talked about this 572 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:48,640 Speaker 1: last week myself, TJ. I'm picking the I'm picking the 573 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,080 Speaker 1: Rams and come out of the NFC. I really am. 574 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: I think they are that talented on offense, especially with 575 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 1: the addition Davon Miller on defense. I think they're gonna 576 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: be special. But you know, it all depends on how 577 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: fast O b J can pick up this playbook. And 578 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: you know it's a it's a good stuff for him, uh, 579 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, good offense. And I'm really expecting for the 580 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: Rams to go through the roof. We were talking Rams 581 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: in the NFC when we were just discussing the AFC. 582 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,959 Speaker 1: What team do you like or teams do you like? 583 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:32,959 Speaker 1: And who's been a surprise disappointment, you know what surprise 584 00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: for him? For me obviously, when Derek Henry written down 585 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: you know that that really that really hurts Tennessee because 586 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: now I think Royn chatting Hill gets exposed. I really do. 587 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,960 Speaker 1: I played with Mike Braybo for seven years in Pittsburgh. 588 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 1: I understand is philosophy big back. We had ron when 589 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 1: when we were all playing together, so you could kind 590 00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:59,360 Speaker 1: of hide the quarterback with it the running game. But 591 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:03,840 Speaker 1: now that they do, they don't have that. Ryn Tannehills 592 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 1: don't have to go out and win some football games, 593 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: and I don't think I don't think a lot of 594 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: people noticed. But he's not you know, he's not that 595 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,000 Speaker 1: good as a quarterback. He's not accurate. He's never been 596 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: a pastor. So but Derek Henry being out, they could 597 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: hire him within the running game. So Tennessee, with him 598 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:29,200 Speaker 1: going out, it kind of puts them, you know, at 599 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: the bottom of the AC South. But in the AFC, 600 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 1: it's wide open. I really expect for the Baltomore Ravels 601 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: to make a run. They have the defense to get 602 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: it done. Obviously Lamar Jackson, if he continues to improve 603 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: and win football games, it can really be the Baltimore Ravens. 604 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: I really believe that. But there's no clear team in 605 00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:57,800 Speaker 1: the AFC right now that you can say, uh, you know, 606 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 1: it's a powerhouse, the Bills. I didn't understand that landing 607 00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 1: at all. Can I can I can I ask you 608 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,400 Speaker 1: guys a question. You guys are both super talented Pro 609 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,880 Speaker 1: Bowl wide receivers, right, so let me give him my 610 00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,399 Speaker 1: read on on the Browns thing with Baker. I get 611 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,359 Speaker 1: that he's hurt. I get that they've had other issues, right, 612 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 1: and I do think that guys genuinely like Baker right, 613 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: because he always usually is about sticking up for his 614 00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 1: dudes and whatever. But there comes a point when you 615 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 1: can't play. You can't play right if you're not good enough, 616 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: You're not good enough, and you can't fool You can't 617 00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: fool dudes in that locker room. You can't fool real 618 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,399 Speaker 1: players because they know. Is that the point that we're 619 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: at where he's kind of been exposed or is there 620 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,760 Speaker 1: something because this was a weird week where his wife 621 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 1: goes on Instagram to you know, calling out the toughness 622 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: of others, and he avoids the media like it was 623 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 1: a weird week. Plaques, you give me your read. You've 624 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:50,759 Speaker 1: been in you both of you guys have been in 625 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: this position before. What's really going on in Cleveland? Man? 626 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: We talk about it is almost every week when we 627 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,960 Speaker 1: talk about the Cleveland Browns is Baker Mayfield. You can't 628 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 1: fool anybody anymore. Baker Mayfield is not a franchise quarterback. 629 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: We keep saying that he has the same statistical Gardener menship. 630 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: Tell me, think you if Garden miss you on the 631 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:21,320 Speaker 1: NFL roster right now, they have the same exact numbers. 632 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 1: I listen, I know we see him on Teller Vision 633 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: and we see him all these progressive commercials and all 634 00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: of that. The guys in that locker room know he 635 00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:36,040 Speaker 1: is not a franchise quarterback. So he's a good player, 636 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 1: but he is not within what do we say, it's 637 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,160 Speaker 1: a top fifteen quarterback in the NFL. I'd have says 638 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: the first round draft pick. I get it, number one 639 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:53,600 Speaker 1: draft pick. But as far as leading a franchise and 640 00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 1: contending for a world championship, he's not that guy. When 641 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,960 Speaker 1: when when Gardener? When when when Baker was drafted? I 642 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:08,799 Speaker 1: tweeted out, I said, congratulations, Cleveland Browns, you will have 643 00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: the number one pick five years from now. Wow, he 644 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: got one more. They got one more year exactly. You 645 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,120 Speaker 1: know what, Doug, it's like this. When his wife comes 646 00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:27,520 Speaker 1: out and says what she said, that's pillow talk. That's 647 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: him talking to her at home, telling her how banged 648 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:34,839 Speaker 1: up he is, what she knows, and how everybody else 649 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: is being soft. All she's doing is repeating what he's 650 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: told her, and now it don't look too good. And 651 00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: even and DJ even if he didn't, even if she did, 652 00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 1: he didn't tell her that. That's the assumption that everybody 653 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,719 Speaker 1: makes Oh, that's how Baker really thinks. That is how 654 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: your wife is not gonna put that out there if 655 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: y'all not talking about it, She's not doing that in 656 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:03,839 Speaker 1: that entire locker room knows it. Hey, With that being said, 657 00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:08,359 Speaker 1: if Baker may feel and Matt Ryan swapped teams, there 658 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:13,440 Speaker 1: will be nothing different. It will be the same exact 659 00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: respects for both organizations. Plaques, Uh, plaques what times of 660 00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 1: food ready? Uh? About one fifteenish one or one twenty five, 661 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:31,640 Speaker 1: you know somewhere around there, right, chef baby, Right, you're 662 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: doing the peanut all that's that's when you're gonna find 663 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,880 Speaker 1: the turkey. It's always peanut all. It got to be 664 00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: peanut or the the vegetaboard, the carnola or is so 665 00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: thin that it will actually catch on fire. So you 666 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 1: need more of a thicker base when you you know, 667 00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: when you're frying. Uh, you know turkeys and things of 668 00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:54,360 Speaker 1: this nature at high temperatures, you know what the peanut, 669 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 1: the the the vest board, the carnola or do number 670 00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: catch on fire? Flax? Happy Thanksgiving, a baby, Happy days Giving. 671 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,799 Speaker 1: Can't wait to hear you on Saturday and uh and 672 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: your breakdown of what's going on thanks for joining us man. 673 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:09,520 Speaker 1: All right, all right, flex kill Burr's course from a 674 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 1: Pro Bowl wide receiver. You can hear them one up 675 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,040 Speaker 1: on Game with TJ and LaVar Arrington Saturday, Fox Sports 676 00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 1: Radio noon to Eastern time, and of course download that 677 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: as a podcast as well. The Cowboys will be officially 678 00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:27,160 Speaker 1: without um two wide receivers today. Two. You already knew 679 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: Aren Cooper was out? Who else is out? Find out 680 00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,919 Speaker 1: next on The Dan Patrick Show. Be sure to catch 681 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: the live edition of The Dan Patrick Show weekdays at 682 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: nine am Eastern six am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 683 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: in the iHeart Radio app. T Jsman's Don and Doug 684 00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: Gotlieman for Dan Dan Dan Patrick Show, Fox Sports Radio. Um, 685 00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:56,280 Speaker 1: who is your favorite offensive coordinator you ever played for? Wow? 686 00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: I would probably say, uh, I have my most success 687 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 1: under him. So Bob Bratkowski? Why what was it about 688 00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: what he did? Or did he just believe in you? 689 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,520 Speaker 1: What was it about Bob that the allied to be 690 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: so successful? We called we called him bratt coach bratt Um. Honestly, 691 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: I'm laughing. I wouldn't say initially he believed in me. 692 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: I might have been forced to believe in me. Um, 693 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,439 Speaker 1: But I learned a lot, and when when I sat, 694 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,440 Speaker 1: learned a lot. For people that don't understand. It's like 695 00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:35,200 Speaker 1: when we are in Cincinnati, we would have to sit 696 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,560 Speaker 1: in meetings the receivers with the offensive line and quarterbacks. 697 00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,080 Speaker 1: And he used to be so boring, Doug, so boring. 698 00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:48,239 Speaker 1: They're going over protections and you look over, guys are 699 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:51,239 Speaker 1: on their phone or they fallen asleep. I would just 700 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: take notes, and I didn't realize I was learning their 701 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: protections and I was learning football because I was just 702 00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:05,120 Speaker 1: paying a tension and we would put plays in and 703 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,319 Speaker 1: if it was one high, you would run it this way. 704 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:10,319 Speaker 1: If it was too high, you would run it this way. 705 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: And too high could be covered four, cover two, cover six, 706 00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,960 Speaker 1: so it would be different variations. And so I thought, oh, 707 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,960 Speaker 1: it's like this everywhere I leave, I go to another 708 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,520 Speaker 1: team and I'm like, hey, so on this play, if 709 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: we get a two high look but it's not covered 710 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:29,239 Speaker 1: two its quarters, how do you want us to run it? Like? Oh, 711 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: just get open? I was like wait, wait, wait, wait. 712 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: If the quarterback is going to throw at anticipation, I 713 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,359 Speaker 1: can't just get open. He needs to know how I'm 714 00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 1: going to run it. So he can throw it with anticipation. 715 00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: If he if I'm just gonna get open, he doesn't 716 00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:48,040 Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do. And so we were very 717 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: attention to detail. It probably didn't show as much as 718 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: they gave it to us in Cincinnati, but I learned 719 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,280 Speaker 1: a ton of football from Bratt, protections, how to run routes, 720 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,840 Speaker 1: what to do, what not to do in certain situations. 721 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:09,279 Speaker 1: So yeah, it would be Bratt. And I'll tell you what. 722 00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,239 Speaker 1: When I wasn't Cincinnati towards the end, I was a 723 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,719 Speaker 1: bit of a butthole, just just because you kind of 724 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: get tired of the losing and you want to blame 725 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 1: the coaches. I promise this is a true story. When 726 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:25,720 Speaker 1: I left Cincinnati and I went to Seattle, I called 727 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: Bratt and I told him, I said, I want to 728 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: apologize because you were so much better of a coach 729 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: than I ever gave you credit for. Now that I'm 730 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,200 Speaker 1: not with you, I just want to let you know 731 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,080 Speaker 1: how much I learned from you and how great of 732 00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,600 Speaker 1: a coach you are that I didn't realize when I 733 00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,319 Speaker 1: was playing for you. I told him that. I told 734 00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:51,120 Speaker 1: him that. Okay, so my next question would be, who's 735 00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,520 Speaker 1: the worst offense coordinate ever played for. I wouldn't say 736 00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: I had a worse offensive cording man now, I really 737 00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,480 Speaker 1: be honest, because like, for instance, I played for All 738 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 1: Going Order, I played for Greg Nap May Rest in Peace, 739 00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 1: and then I pay for Cam Cameron, and then technically 740 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:14,520 Speaker 1: it was Hugh and Alexanders. Alexander's offense is very complicated. Um, 741 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: you you can't be a dummy and played for Alexanders. 742 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:22,640 Speaker 1: If you're a dummy, it's too tough. Cam Cameron his 743 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 1: run game, like we had concepts in a run game 744 00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:30,439 Speaker 1: that I had never seen. This was like my tenth 745 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,360 Speaker 1: year in the league. Like certain concepts I had never 746 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:39,719 Speaker 1: seen when I got to Baltimore. Give me an example, like, 747 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,920 Speaker 1: for instance, we'd be running the ball to the right, 748 00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:46,640 Speaker 1: the tight end would just sprint to the flats like 749 00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,000 Speaker 1: it was a pass play. Every team I've been on 750 00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: that tight end was blocking. But he felt like if 751 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,720 Speaker 1: you sprint to the flats, you're gonna draw a defender 752 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: thinking it's a pass play. And I was like, well, 753 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,320 Speaker 1: I had never seen that before. A lot of teams 754 00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 1: do that now. They weren't doing that back then when 755 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,680 Speaker 1: I was playing. And so just his concepts in a 756 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:12,120 Speaker 1: run game, the passing game. It wasn't as nuanced as 757 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,839 Speaker 1: Cincinnati and even Seattle. Greg not probably had the best 758 00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,719 Speaker 1: playbook that I had, Like he had so many great concepts, 759 00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: but he was a guy that liked to run a 760 00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:27,800 Speaker 1: lot of screens. And Hugh Jackson. He was a coach 761 00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:33,440 Speaker 1: that you want to play for because I pretty much 762 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,359 Speaker 1: got my chance to play because of Hugh. He came 763 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:37,959 Speaker 1: in there and said, I'm gonna play the best guys. 764 00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:40,120 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest with you. Like we were sitting 765 00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:41,840 Speaker 1: in the meeting, Hugh Jackson walks in there. It was 766 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: like twelve receivers. He's like he named four of them one, two, three, four, 767 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: pointed him out. You four on the team, the rest 768 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: of you eight or battling for two spots. I was like, 769 00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: WHOA No coach had ever told us that before. Like 770 00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,359 Speaker 1: he was, so you play bad, Hey, if you keep 771 00:43:58,400 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: playing like this, you you're not gonna play. Or if 772 00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:01,720 Speaker 1: you keep playing like this, you're not making a team. 773 00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: He was so honest that I appreciated the transparency, black 774 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 1: or white, no gray error with you. And that's what 775 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 1: I liked about him. He's personable. He makes you want 776 00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,759 Speaker 1: to play for him. But I told him, they're not 777 00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,319 Speaker 1: giving me a chance to play here, and that's why 778 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,480 Speaker 1: I said, what Bratt, he probably was forced to play me. 779 00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,239 Speaker 1: He was like, I'm playing the best guys. Peter Warre 780 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,960 Speaker 1: breaks his leg against the New York Jets. I get 781 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,759 Speaker 1: a chance to play, and I was a starter for 782 00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:28,600 Speaker 1: the rest of my career, pretty much as t. J. 783 00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: Husbands Ota joining us. I bring that out because des 784 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,040 Speaker 1: Brian had some of the best moments of his career 785 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,040 Speaker 1: playing for the obviously not just the Cowboys, but for 786 00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 1: Jason Garrett as their head coach, and Jason Garrett's a 787 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:41,759 Speaker 1: play caller. Dez tweets out after hearing the news about JG. 788 00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:45,040 Speaker 1: That's Jason Garrett, Kadarius Tony, you will get to experience 789 00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:48,319 Speaker 1: to love and joy for football throughout your career. When 790 00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,960 Speaker 1: asked by one of his followers if he didn't like Garrett, 791 00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:55,040 Speaker 1: he tweeted, great, dude, never respected his philosophy towards players 792 00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:59,399 Speaker 1: and the game. Translate that for me, that's personal. When 793 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,680 Speaker 1: you say respected his philosophy towards players, that that seems 794 00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,080 Speaker 1: a little personal, like his philosophy. Did he not respects 795 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:13,200 Speaker 1: you did he make it seem like it wasn't the player, 796 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,840 Speaker 1: it was the exes and knows and not the joes, 797 00:45:16,960 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: so to speak. And when I saw that, that that's 798 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,880 Speaker 1: how I took you. I don't believe Das cares for Jason. 799 00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:26,840 Speaker 1: It might be some underlying how much of it is 800 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,319 Speaker 1: just did he cut him? Right? Like like Dez Bryan 801 00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: got cut when Jason Garrett was the coach. And it's 802 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:35,800 Speaker 1: like anybody who's ever lost a job or lost, you know, 803 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: a job within a job end of the day, the 804 00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,400 Speaker 1: guy who makes the decision is the guy you're going 805 00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560 Speaker 1: to be bitter towards, right, really, just really dug If 806 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,399 Speaker 1: you really believe Jason Garrett made the decision to cut 807 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,120 Speaker 1: him or Jerry Jones and those guys made the decision, 808 00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,239 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know, but I can't tell you 809 00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:56,040 Speaker 1: that Like Jason Garrett was viewed as like the other, uh, 810 00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 1: the other son to Jerry Jones, right, Like that's that's 811 00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,680 Speaker 1: how he everybody like, man, you can't talk to Jason Garrett, 812 00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,120 Speaker 1: he might as well be a Jones boy. So like 813 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:15,160 Speaker 1: you blame everybody, I believe there's some underlying disagreements that 814 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: they may have had that we don't know about, but 815 00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: I don't believe Jason Garrett. I mean, yeah, he was 816 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:26,200 Speaker 1: the head coach when Das Briant was released, but when 817 00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,840 Speaker 1: when you look at it, it was des Brian went on. 818 00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:32,000 Speaker 1: He had from like I believe it was like twenty 819 00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:37,480 Speaker 1: twelve to twenty fourteen. Those three years, des Brian was 820 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:42,759 Speaker 1: lights out. He was scoring and catching touchdowns, putting up 821 00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,560 Speaker 1: big yards, and then after that it was kind of 822 00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,160 Speaker 1: hit or miss. He he had three years and ROB 823 00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,680 Speaker 1: believe he had a thousand yards. He didn't crack a 824 00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:55,759 Speaker 1: thousand yards again in and out of the lineup because 825 00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: the injuries. He just wasn't able to get back to 826 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: that level. And it was four years of that. It 827 00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:04,600 Speaker 1: wasn't like it was like, Okay, you got six hundred 828 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: yards in twenty fifteen and twenty. He never got close 829 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,880 Speaker 1: to a thousand yards again. And it was four years 830 00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:18,440 Speaker 1: after those three years where he really let it up. 831 00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,399 Speaker 1: I believe Jerry Jones got rid of him. But when 832 00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:26,279 Speaker 1: you play for a head coach that's an offensive coordinator, 833 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 1: I think these coaches sometimes don't understand, like, if you're 834 00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,000 Speaker 1: a good coach, you're going to teach us the game. 835 00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,839 Speaker 1: Now that I know the game, don't get mad at 836 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 1: me for knowing the game that you taught me. And 837 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 1: so when I voiced my opinion whether I should voice 838 00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 1: it or not, I'm voicing the philosophies that you taught me. 839 00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 1: And if I think what you're saying isn't correct, should 840 00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,080 Speaker 1: I not voice that? Because these philosophies are coming from 841 00:47:56,280 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 1: you and what you have taught me. And that's what 842 00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 1: happens coaches. They teach you the game. As soon as 843 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: you question what you've been taught, they don't question me. 844 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,879 Speaker 1: Oh I'm sorry, you know, It's just that That's where 845 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:15,399 Speaker 1: I think it could be a disconnect. But Jason good 846 00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:19,080 Speaker 1: was he not awful? With New York? Oh my god? 847 00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,719 Speaker 1: They were terrible. They were terrible. How can you be 848 00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:25,040 Speaker 1: How can you be that bad? How can they be 849 00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,320 Speaker 1: that bad? How can we like, how can you have 850 00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:30,120 Speaker 1: dudes running into each other in the middle of the season. 851 00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,280 Speaker 1: And you know what's crazy, it's what they got dudes. 852 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,320 Speaker 1: Like they have dudes on that team that, if you 853 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:42,799 Speaker 1: their receiving corps is really good player for player talent wise, 854 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,960 Speaker 1: they're really good. Say quin Park, you don't know what 855 00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,960 Speaker 1: he is yet coming back from his injury, Daniel Jones 856 00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:54,320 Speaker 1: has shown flashes done. They're awful on offense man and 857 00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens, uh come back with the magic that he 858 00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:02,640 Speaker 1: had when they ar Hugh in Cleveland when he had Baker. 859 00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:05,440 Speaker 1: If he does that, it's really gonna make Jason Garrett 860 00:49:05,560 --> 00:49:09,720 Speaker 1: look even worse. But the Giants were awful and Daz 861 00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:16,600 Speaker 1: Bryant just stated his opinion on Jason Garrett. If Freddie 862 00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,879 Speaker 1: Kitchens turns us around, we gotta look at Davis Brian 863 00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: and say, ah, he's onto something. Doug gottlieb tja husband's 864 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:25,400 Speaker 1: out of end for Dan the DNA's this is the 865 00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:32,400 Speaker 1: Dan Patrick Show on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah uh, he 866 00:49:32,560 --> 00:49:35,279 Speaker 1: went does went on and said trash. I can't help 867 00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,680 Speaker 1: people like to hear my thoughts about sports. I mean, dude, 868 00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,719 Speaker 1: did coach my entire career. Trust me, I'm not the 869 00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,560 Speaker 1: only one who feels the same way about him. The 870 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,440 Speaker 1: difference between me and a lot of people is, I 871 00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: don't sugarcoat ish. Guy sacrificed a lot and get misused, right, 872 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:54,640 Speaker 1: so it didn't feel like he was used any He 873 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,400 Speaker 1: did have an outstanding career, like a ring of honor, 874 00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,760 Speaker 1: not Hall of Fame. Caliber career