1 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to another edition of the Dave Pash Podcast. 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: I'm your host, Dave Pash, ESPN and Arizona Cardinals announcer. 3 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: The preseason is upon us. Finally we get to see 4 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: a game the Cardinals and Bengals this Friday night. And 5 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: we talked this week with one of the coaches for 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 1: the Arizona Cardinals, Jeff Rogers. Jeff's in his fifth year 7 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: on the staff. He is the special team's coach, but 8 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: he's also the assistant head coach. He's in his fourth 9 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 1: year with that title. He was here in twenty eighteen 10 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: with Steve Wilkes, retained by Cliff Kingsbury and his staff, 11 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: and Jeff, who has been in the NFL for fifteen years, 12 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: has become a very valuable voice on game day during 13 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: the week in training camp when it comes to shaping 14 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,760 Speaker 1: the roster. And it will be great to catch up 15 00:00:54,800 --> 00:00:58,040 Speaker 1: with Jeff and talk about his game day responsibilities as 16 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: well as what goes in of being a great special 17 00:01:01,320 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: teams player. Who've been some of the special teams fines, 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:07,520 Speaker 1: what's it like to deal with kickers, and who are 19 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: some of the young guys that he's got his I 20 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: on going into preseason game number one. There's some guys 21 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: that are undrafted right now are we're undrafted in the spring, 22 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: who I think have a chance, but I'm anxious to 23 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: see them against NFL competition and see what happens. 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Next step all right, time now for our 33 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: conversation with assistant head coach and coordinator of Special Teams 34 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 1: Jeff Rogers. So, Jeff, you're not just a special teams coach. 35 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:09,560 Speaker 1: This is your fourth year as the assistant head coach. 36 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: So for people out there that maybe know what a 37 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: special teams coach does, but they hear that assistant head 38 00:02:16,880 --> 00:02:18,839 Speaker 1: coach title a lot of times and they maybe don't 39 00:02:18,840 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 1: know all that goes into that. Tell the listeners kind 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,720 Speaker 1: of what your responsibilities are on game day besides special teams. Yeah, 41 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: I mean the first thing I say is, you know, 42 00:02:30,480 --> 00:02:35,639 Speaker 1: everybody with that title, I'm not sure exactly what they do. 43 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: I know what I do, but I would I'm not 44 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: saying that what I'm about to say applies to everybody's 45 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: second tit or whatever. But you know, some of the 46 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: things that I'm involved with is primarily the game management stuff. 47 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:49,600 Speaker 1: When to call a time out, should we clock the ball? 48 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of discussions that go through 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 1: in you know, go throughout the week and we talk 50 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: about field position wise, we want to be aggressive in 51 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 1: this situation, go forum four down, want to be aggressive 52 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: in the red area. So a lot of those decisions 53 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: are discussed throughout the week, but as it unfolds on 54 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: game day, you never know, are you're gonna have two timeouts, 55 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: three timeouts? Defensively, maybe we're we're we're down and we 56 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,720 Speaker 1: got to be you know, banging timeouts and just lending 57 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: an extra voice to Cliff so he can really crystallize 58 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: those decisions. So are you standing next to Cliff if 59 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,320 Speaker 1: it's two minutes to go in the first half. Are 60 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: you standing next to Cliff? Is it just on headset 61 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: where you're saying, hey, let's think here about Hey, you 62 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: got two timeouts left. Here's a you know, time and score, clock, situation, 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 1: down and distance, all that stuff you might want to 64 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 1: think about using a time out here. How does that 65 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: kind of play out? Right? I mean, i'd say both 66 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: and both connected via the headset and uh, staying next 67 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,120 Speaker 1: to him obviously if there's a break in the action. 68 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: You know, I just always feel like he's got to 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: call the game, he's got to make sure he's in 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: the right play personnel group, whatever. I'm kind of waiting 71 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 1: for him to do those things. And if there's a 72 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: reminder of maybe something we talked about throughout the week 73 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: or you know, what we're likely to do after this 74 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 1: particular play, it's just putting that voice in his ear 75 00:04:07,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: so he can make the most educated decision. So for you, Jeff, 76 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,159 Speaker 1: when did You're not because I've had other people tell 77 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,560 Speaker 1: me no one knows the rules like Jeff Rogers, Like 78 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: when did you embrace going beyond coaching special teams in 79 00:04:25,320 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: terms of just understanding everything about the game, the rules, 80 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,600 Speaker 1: the time out, situation, replay, all that stuff. It was 81 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: that something that you've always done or is that recent. 82 00:04:36,200 --> 00:04:40,039 Speaker 1: I've always been interested in those kinds of things. I've 83 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,799 Speaker 1: been around football my entire life. My dad coached, and 84 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 1: you kind of start thinking like a coach at an 85 00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: early age because you're hearing after the game what he 86 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: might have thought of different situations. The rules are different 87 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: from college of the NFL, and I thought it was 88 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 1: important for me to understand when I first got in 89 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: the league what the differences were. As time goes on, 90 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: you kind of get to know the everyday things, what 91 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: you can and cannot do, what they're gonna call flag wise, 92 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: and it kind of started involve evolving into the clock things, 93 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: into the time out things, and really when it's probably 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: when I got to Denver in twenty eleven, about ten 95 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: eleven years ago where that I started. I was with 96 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 1: coach Fox at the time, John Fox, and at that 97 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: time I kind of started to be involved in those 98 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,440 Speaker 1: kinds of that line of thinking. And when Peyton Manning 99 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,320 Speaker 1: signed with US in twenty twelve, hearing his thoughts on 100 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: different things, and I just really got interested in it 101 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:43,280 Speaker 1: and have stayed that way. And then the Cleveland game 102 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: last year. Cliff isn't there obviously because of COVID, So 103 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 1: your role changes. What was that game like and what 104 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,000 Speaker 1: were your responsibilities in that game that would be additional 105 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: to what it would be in a normal Sunday. Yeah. So, 106 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: I mean basically, you know, in that game, that whole 107 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 1: situation was a little bit unique. You know, we found 108 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: out on Friday evening. It was kind of at the 109 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: end of the day and uh found out what the 110 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: situation was, and when they said they wanted me to 111 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: handle the game, the game management part of it. Direct responsibilities. 112 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,000 Speaker 1: Now I instead of being the guy who says, hey, 113 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 1: we may think about calling a time out, like that's 114 00:06:19,040 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: that's my decision at that point, or go for it 115 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: on fourth down. Those are my decisions. But you know, 116 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: I alluded to it earlier. We talk about the stuff 117 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: starting Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and as things unfold, we kind 118 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: of have the plan. So in that particular game, I 119 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,800 Speaker 1: really just tried to call it as Cliff and I 120 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 1: had talked about things, how we had talked about going 121 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: into the game what we wanted to do, and it 122 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: was basically like wearing the wristband on you you know, 123 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: on your hand, what would Cliff do here? You know, 124 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,880 Speaker 1: and and try it, because those are the things if 125 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: he's the head coach and he's the one that makes 126 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,280 Speaker 1: those decisions, those decisions seem to be reflective of what 127 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: he would do. Of all the great wins last year, 128 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 1: that was my favorite that game because Cleveland was a 129 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: pretty good team and obviously with Cliff out, and there 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: were others that weren't there because of COVID. You know, 131 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: for most of us that maybe aren't as connected to 132 00:07:13,720 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: what's going on inside the locker room and inside the 133 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: meeting rooms every day. It felt like the operation didn't 134 00:07:19,760 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: skip a beat. That was an impressive game for you 135 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,120 Speaker 1: and Vance Spencer Whipple just to kind of step in. 136 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: At least from our standpoint, it seemed like you guys 137 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: were stepping in. But listening to you talk here, it 138 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 1: doesn't sound like that was a case. Sounds like this 139 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: was part of the planning that goes into a game. Yeah, 140 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: you just you kind of just follow the plans, stick 141 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: to stick to what we had talked about. You know 142 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: that it was one of those situations because even game 143 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 1: day morning, there's still guys testing positive and being pulled 144 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 1: from it. So you had really no idea until the 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: ball was kicked off. Okay, this is who we got, 146 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: this is the plan. We just need to go execute it. 147 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: And I think everybody just put goes aside and whatever 148 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: your responsibility is, whatever it had been, whatever it's about 149 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: to do now, um what whatever, you know, our responsibilities 150 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: are now, whether increased, decreased, or changed completely. Um, you know, 151 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: it was just about execution. We talked to our players 152 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: about that stuff all the time, so as coaches obviously 153 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 1: that was uh something that that was important to us. 154 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 1: The game day stuff I felt like, went, well, um, 155 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: you know there was there there's also guys in the 156 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: box who are helping us out with situational stuff and 157 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: field position and um. But yeah, everybody just kind of 158 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: pitched in and said, let's go do this. Your other 159 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: job being in charge of special teams this time of year, 160 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 1: everybody wants to talk to you because everybody knows, especially 161 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: for a team that's coming off making the playoffs, that 162 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: you know a lot of guys at the back end 163 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: of the roster, whether they make the final fifty three 164 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: is coming, you know, comes down to whether they can 165 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: play special teams or not. How involved you is it daily, 166 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: is it weekly? Is it towards the end when you 167 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 1: got to start making cuts that you're having convert stations 168 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 1: with Cliff or with Steve Kim and others in the 169 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: personnel department about, hey, this is somebody we really need 170 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: to think about because they can be very valuable to 171 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,599 Speaker 1: us on special teams. Yeah. I would say starting from 172 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: when the when the smoke clears with the draft, free 173 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:17,800 Speaker 1: agency is already over, you kind of have the bulk 174 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: of your team. Uh, there's still maybe one or two 175 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:22,560 Speaker 1: signings that happen in the summer or whatever, you have 176 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: the bulk of your team. So it's it's it's a 177 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: constant evaluation. They're constant communication. I talk about roster stuff 178 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:33,880 Speaker 1: every day with somebody. I try to talk to the 179 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 1: position coach, try and talk to the coordinators because it's 180 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: not just going to come down to the kicking game, 181 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 1: but you know, the guys that are going to be 182 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 1: up on game day, what's their role? And at this 183 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: point in training camp it's probably too early. You never 184 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: know who's going to get hurt. You never know what 185 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 1: situation make him up. Another player you know, may trade 186 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: for a guy, you know, something like that. So you're 187 00:09:55,280 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 1: you're kind of trying to figure this out and and 188 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: you let a play out. After to the second preseason game, 189 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: it kind of starts to come and focus, and going 190 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: to that third preseason game, you usually know these are 191 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: the position battles, okay, And when you're the special team's coach, 192 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:16,560 Speaker 1: you have to have a broad perspective because you know, hey, 193 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: are we going to keep three running backs or four 194 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: running backs or five running backs? Well, if you keep 195 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,520 Speaker 1: five running backs, that numbers coming from somewhere. So are 196 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: we taking one less safety? Are we taking one less 197 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: d lineman? And it may not just be on that 198 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: side of the ball. And then injuries are always going 199 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 1: to play into it. So it's really early right now, 200 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: but as time goes on, we'll continue to have those conversations. 201 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: We have weekly meetings with everybody, with coaches, with personnel 202 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 1: and kind of talk through things so everybody can kind 203 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,920 Speaker 1: of get on the same page at least with what 204 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 1: the evaluations are. And when we get towards the end 205 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: of camp, it's all right, we know about this guy, 206 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,959 Speaker 1: probably not rep him as much. These are the two 207 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 1: guys we need to see. Let's feed him and play 208 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 1: him a bunch and see what happens. You have anybody, 209 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:02,959 Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. I don't know off the top 210 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: of your head that you can think of of a 211 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: guy that, like you fought for at some point in 212 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,000 Speaker 1: your career that turned out to be like a home run. 213 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: You fought for this guy, he ended up making the 214 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: roster and turned out to be a great special teams 215 00:11:15,520 --> 00:11:18,920 Speaker 1: player or a great player period in your career. Because 216 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:24,319 Speaker 1: you've had, you know, several stops bears. You mentioned Denver, Carolina, 217 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: San Francisco, and then now here in Arizona. Yeah, there's 218 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: really two that stand out, most recently in twenty eighteen. 219 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: Zeke Turner. You know that that was a guy we 220 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: felt strongly could really make an impact on our team. 221 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: I watched a lot of his college tape before the draft, 222 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: knew what kind of player he could be, and you know, 223 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: it was a decision at the at the end where 224 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: whether he was going to make the team or not. 225 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: And um, you know, I'm not the only person that 226 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: like Zeke. I don't want to, you know, say I'm 227 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: solely responsible for that, but he was a guy that 228 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: we definitely fought for and has played. Now he's in 229 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: a second contract, so that worked out. And then probably 230 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: the one that stands out the most, it was Chris Harris, 231 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: who was a corner in Denver and we played here 232 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: in the preseason. You know, when we played Arizona in 233 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: the preseason. I think he made three tackles in that game. 234 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 1: He was our leading tackler in the preseason. And that 235 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: was a decision that got made, you know, at the cutdown, 236 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: and there was a long I won't get into discussion, 237 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 1: but it was a lengthy discussion between him and another player, 238 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: and thankfully we're able to keep him. Played really well 239 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: for us in the kicking game, and about week five 240 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: he started starting on defense and he's had a really 241 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: good career. Another well, a couple of guys that are 242 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,480 Speaker 1: current specialists for the team you've had a relationship with 243 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: for a long time, Matt Prater and Andy Lee. When 244 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: Andy Lee was in San Francisco, My goodness, Wolf and 245 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: I would be doing the game, we'd be like during 246 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 1: a commercial, like, man, I can't stand Andy Lee because 247 00:12:58,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: you guys killed us, Like every punch was perfect. When 248 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: we would play you guys when you're in San Francisco, 249 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: every single time he would pin us inside the ten 250 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,800 Speaker 1: yard line. He's been a great bunner for a long time. 251 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: And then Matt Prater, who are you with in Denver? Right? Yes? 252 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 1: And first of all, what's how do you as a 253 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: special team's coach handle a kicker, Because obviously everybody says 254 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: they're different. We see that we've had a lot of 255 00:13:20,520 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: different personalities come through here and a lot of times 256 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: we watch on the sideline and nobody's talking to him. 257 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 1: How do you handle those conversations or do you not 258 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 1: have conversations with kickers during games? Yeah, I honestly I 259 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: try not to. And even you know, as guys are, 260 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:40,439 Speaker 1: when a guy's an established, a veteran, there are certain 261 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: parameters that I believe in common denominators in which you know, 262 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: whether it's timing or you know, performance or whatever like 263 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,840 Speaker 1: I have kind of it really needs to be within 264 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: these things. But if they've made it to this level, 265 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: they've had success. I'm not going to try and change them. 266 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: There's things that we've talked about guys after seasons. This 267 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:04,719 Speaker 1: is something you may want to think about it, but 268 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, that's their job and 269 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: that's their career. And I think sometimes as a coach. 270 00:14:10,800 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: We can get in our own way and try and 271 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 1: change a player to something he's not comfortable doing, and 272 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: his performance going to suffer from that as well. So 273 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: I you know, with the kickers and the punters, and 274 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: you learn, you learn over time. You know, you work 275 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: with different guys and some things work, some things don't, 276 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: and how to you know, manage that room and you 277 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: know kind of how they fit in with the team 278 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: and stuff. You know, those things are all changing, and 279 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: all those guys are different, and I don't mean like 280 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: different in a bad way. They're just different personalities. You're human, 281 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: So you're trying to develop a relationship so that you 282 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 1: can beyond, you know, the same good ground when stuff 283 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,120 Speaker 1: does come up. But I try to, you know, as 284 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: much as I can, let them do their thing. So 285 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: when it comes down, because Matt last year, I had 286 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: a great year and obviously was successful from fifty and 287 00:14:56,680 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: beyond sixty and beyond. Do you have going into the 288 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 1: game based on whether it's a home game or on 289 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: the road, and good weather on the road and bad 290 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: weather kind of in your mind, Okay, this is where 291 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:10,240 Speaker 1: I'm gonna push for Cliff Hey, we need to kick 292 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,840 Speaker 1: it here or does it also depend on how the 293 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,600 Speaker 1: game's going. Yeah, I'd say both. I mean, we're not 294 00:15:16,600 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: going to ever put Matt on the field where we 295 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: feel like it's out of his range, like, hey, he 296 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: probably can get it there, Like, that's not that's not 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: fair to Matt, that's not fair to our team. So 298 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: I've got I mean, i've been I've known Matt for 299 00:15:31,520 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: eleven years and uh kick for us in Denver and 300 00:15:34,120 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: obviously joining the team here, I kind of got an 301 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: idea of what a skill set is and in pregame, 302 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: you know you're gonna kind of gauge those things. It 303 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,400 Speaker 1: doesn't change all that much, all things equal. Now you 304 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: go to Denver, sure altitude maybe three three to five yards. 305 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: We're going to Mexico City this year. Okay, that's like 306 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: twice as high as Denver. So I was involved in 307 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 1: the O five game there and probably the highlight of 308 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: pregame warm up. The place was going absolutely nuts. I 309 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: have no idea what's going on. And I turn around 310 00:16:06,320 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: and it's Joe Nedney kicking seventy five yard kicks and 311 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: I think it was Neil Rackers here at the time 312 00:16:11,600 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: doing the same thing the other way, and they're loving it, 313 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: right because it's soccer's kind of kind of their deal, 314 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: at least was at that time. But those are the 315 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 1: things that can influence. Obviously, if the weather changes, that 316 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: can influence those things as well. And is Matt involved 317 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 1: in those conversations. Sure, Matt always wants to kick. I 318 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,080 Speaker 1: mean sometimes you got to save him from himself, like 319 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,200 Speaker 1: I know I got this or whatever. It's like, Matt, 320 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:39,280 Speaker 1: this is an eighty yard kick hill out. But yeah, 321 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean we talk after pregame warm up and he'll 322 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of tell me, you know, what is our normal 323 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: parameters and then what is the end of half, end 324 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: of game? Like, feel like it's going to take a 325 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: really good kick, but I feel like I can get 326 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: it there from whatever wherever it is, Jeff. There have 327 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: been a lot of successful head coaches in college football 328 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,200 Speaker 1: and in the NFL who have a background coaching special 329 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: teams at some point. I think a Frank Beamer at 330 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:11,880 Speaker 1: Virginia Tech Beamer Ball. I know Urban Meyer when he 331 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,199 Speaker 1: was at Ohio State in Florida. Even though he's the 332 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 1: head coach, he was heavily involved in special teams. For 333 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: a lot of those guys, that was their background Nick Saban, 334 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: I think mostly defense. He might have been at some 335 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: point involved in special teams. John Harbos had a great 336 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: run in Baltimore and he was a special teams coach 337 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 1: before he got that job. So it is being a 338 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: head coach something that interests you? And do you think 339 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 1: that special teams coaches will continue to get opportunities to 340 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: become head coaches? Yeah? I hope they do. And yeah, 341 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 1: it's something that interests me. But it's always you know, 342 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: be the best at the job that you got. And 343 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:52,280 Speaker 1: you go back to light. I go back to the 344 00:17:52,359 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: question you asked me earlier, like what goes into the 345 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:58,360 Speaker 1: clock management, the game management, things like that. If you're 346 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 1: if you have aspirations to do those things, it's probably 347 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: your best interest not to wait till you have that 348 00:18:02,280 --> 00:18:04,920 Speaker 1: job before you acquire that knowledge. I think there's plenty 349 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 1: of guys whom the roster management, game management thing, those 350 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: are things that that guys struggle with in their first 351 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: time in that chair at the NFL level, and it's 352 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 1: just because that's not something they've been involved in if 353 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: they were a defensive coordinator an offensive coordinator, and eventually 354 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: guys get it right. I mean, it's not like it's 355 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 1: impossible to learn. You don't have to study that stuff 356 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,640 Speaker 1: for ten years to be good at it. But um, 357 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, if you're gonna be hired for that job, 358 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: you know, you hope that that you got you have 359 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: that skill set and you can manage the game accordingly. 360 00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:41,119 Speaker 1: You mentioned earlier that your dad was a coach, and 361 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: you have two brothers, and one of them is coaching 362 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. Yep, he's a D line coach there. 363 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: And then your other brother is not coaching. The other 364 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: brother is not coaching. The other brother is in real 365 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 1: estate in Austin, Texas, having a great time, plays a 366 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: lot of golf. But he does have a claim to fame. 367 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: He does, he does. You know, I've told the story 368 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:04,639 Speaker 1: a few times. My older brother was our quarterback in 369 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: high school. I went to Weston High School in Austin. 370 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: We've had some good players there, and my older brother 371 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: was a starter as a senior. Little brothers the JV quarterback. 372 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: He's the heir apparent. He blew his knee out in 373 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: the preseason of a sophomore year, and his backup came 374 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 1: in and his backup was named Drew Brees, and Johnny 375 00:19:25,359 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: never saw the field again at quarterback until Drew got hurt. 376 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 1: Later on, Johnny end up going to defense. But uh, 377 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: and had a good senior year. They won the state championships, 378 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 1: so he's got that on me. I never won one, 379 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: but uh yeah, that's the kind of the story that 380 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: comes up when it when it comes to Drew and Johnny. 381 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: Do you guys still talk to Drew? Yeah, if I 382 00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: saw him in pregame warm up, you know, we would talk. 383 00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: And Drew's a great person. And you know, people asked me, 384 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: did you know in high school he was going to 385 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:55,919 Speaker 1: be a Hall of Famer? No, who knows that, right, Um, 386 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: But Drew was really competitive and he's a good person. 387 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: He's got a good heart, worked hard. But yeah, my 388 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: younger brother, Johnny, still keeps in contact with him. He 389 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: would go to games. We played the Saints a couple 390 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: of years ago and they were down on the field 391 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: before the game and I had to ask Johnny, let 392 00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 1: me see that hat that you got tucked by in 393 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 1: your back, and sure enough it was the Saints hat. 394 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: So he's rooting for the other side. But you know, 395 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 1: stuff happens before I got this job. In two thousand 396 00:20:25,600 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 1: and two, I did one year a preseason for the 397 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:33,479 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. I was doing Syracuse their radio football and basketball. 398 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: I went to school there and then went back and 399 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: John Butler was the GM in Buffalo and gave me 400 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,400 Speaker 1: a chance to get into the NFL the late grade. 401 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: John Butler, and I'll never forget the trade that he 402 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:50,880 Speaker 1: pulled off, trading out of the number one pick, which 403 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: would have been Michael Vick and instead ending with Ladanian, 404 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: Tomlinson and Drew Brees. Sure, and a lot of people 405 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: said Drew Brees too short, small, doesn't have big enough arm, 406 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:03,600 Speaker 1: not gonna make it in the NFL, and then you 407 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: look at what an incredible career drad. I wouldn't be shocked. 408 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 1: I know that he did the broadcast thing last year 409 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: and he's not this year. Wouldn't be shocked if he 410 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: tried to come back. I mean, Tom Brady's just turned 411 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: forty five, still going strong. I don't know. I haven't 412 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 1: had those conversations with him. Uh, Drew certainly competitive enough 413 00:21:22,560 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: to pull it off. He just if he decides to 414 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: do that, I wouldn't bet against him. But you know 415 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,879 Speaker 1: he's got a he's got a family now, and I 416 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: know he loves those kids and loves watching you know, 417 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:38,440 Speaker 1: didn't run around and time will tell. Time will tell 418 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: on that one. He used to He started out obviously 419 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: with the Chargers. The Cardinals play the Chargers, So that 420 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 1: will be the Rogers Bowl with your Saturday after the 421 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: Sunday after Thanksgiving with your brother Jay. So will you 422 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: guys talk that week or do you not talk when 423 00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: you play against each other? Yeah? I mean Jay and 424 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:00,199 Speaker 1: I don't talk on a daily or weekly basis. We 425 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: keep in contact and we talked, you know, every so often. 426 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: I would doubt that we'll talk that week until pregame 427 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: warm up or maybe the day before. This will be 428 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: the the the third time competing against each other as coaches, 429 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: the fourth time in our lives that we've been on 430 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: opposing sidelines. So I was at Kansas State, he was 431 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: at I was stayed in two thousand and eight. We won. 432 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,239 Speaker 1: He was with the Bears in twenty eight team when 433 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: they came here, they won. So we're one and one. 434 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 1: This would be the rubber match. But when when I 435 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 1: was seven and Jay was eight, we were on different 436 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 1: T ball All Star Game All Star teams and my 437 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: team beat his. So I still think I'm up two 438 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: to one. So he was with the Bears the year 439 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 1: after you left the Bears. Yeah, so we worked together. 440 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 1: He was in Denver for two years and then when 441 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: Fox he got hired in Denver, he kept Jay on, 442 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:52,679 Speaker 1: so we were together for six years. Then we all 443 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: we all went to Chicago. So I left after three years. 444 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: Jay stayed on for three years and then he went 445 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: to the Charger last year. So obviously your your dad, 446 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: you talked talked about and John Fox. You mentioned a 447 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 1: couple of times. What kind of impact did coach Fox 448 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: have on you? And who are some of the other 449 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: coaches that you've worked with and worked for over the 450 00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: years that have influenced you. Yeah, a lot of guys. Um, 451 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: you know my chronologically, Um, you know there's stuff that 452 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: I still remember. A guy named Mike Hale who was 453 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: the coach at LVO the Eagles when I was seven 454 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: years old. You know, you remember some of those things. 455 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say that that's you know, influential, Or Melvin 456 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,960 Speaker 1: Jordan and Champagne Illinois who coaches for for a few years. Um, 457 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 1: once I got into the ranks, Uh, you know kind 458 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 1: of started you know coaching myself. Uh, John mcvic had 459 00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: an impact on me. Um, you know, organizationally and and 460 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 1: detail wise. That was good for me. Larry McDuff is 461 00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: the guy worked with in Arizona, brought me in the 462 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,360 Speaker 1: league in San fran Uh. There's nobody who's ever been 463 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: better that I've observed in terms of being detailed off 464 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,880 Speaker 1: the field presentation wise. I had a chance to work 465 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: with Al Everst for one year and to this day, 466 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:09,919 Speaker 1: Al is the guy who influences more of my on 467 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: field coaching drills things like that, you know, with the 468 00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: head coach stuff. Foxy probably influenced me as much as 469 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: anybody had, but you know, I worked for him for 470 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: for nine years, and cliffordminds me a lot of him 471 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: because both those guys are really really good at personal relationships. 472 00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: They both of them have a knack for connecting with guys, 473 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: getting the best out of guys, having good enough relationship 474 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,000 Speaker 1: where the players can tell them, hey, coach, this is 475 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,359 Speaker 1: something we may want to think about doing differently, you know, 476 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,080 Speaker 1: and hearing those guys out, and you know, I would 477 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 1: say those two guys probably as much as anybody have 478 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 1: influenced me, and it's just different ways to do things. 479 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: As an assistant. I was fortunate to work with three ordinators. 480 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: This is I don't know my six or seventh head 481 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 1: coach that I've worked for. And you pull things from everybody. 482 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: You see how things are done. If you disagree with it, 483 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: you're like, man, I'm glad I at least saw that, 484 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 1: because that didn't work at all, and so I want 485 00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,840 Speaker 1: to try and avoid that, you know, in the future. 486 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean all those guys. And then obviously 487 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,760 Speaker 1: my dad's influenced me a heck of a lot, especially 488 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: growing up. How much does Ron Wolfley talk your ear 489 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 1: off about special teams? Do you have to listen to him? Oh, Jeff, 490 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,000 Speaker 1: when I did it for Pro Bowls? Do you have 491 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: to sit there and listen to him talk about how 492 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,160 Speaker 1: special teams should be played and coached? You just tune 493 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: him out like I do now. I don't tune him 494 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,240 Speaker 1: out Wolfs. He's told me some really good stories. And 495 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,879 Speaker 1: you know the obviously wolf didn't stop playing last year, right, Like, 496 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:53,600 Speaker 1: so anything that he's talking about something I don't think 497 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,679 Speaker 1: forty years ago, but you know, it's been been a 498 00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: few years. But um, you know, I think when you 499 00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: hear guys talk about stuff, twenty thirty years later, they're 500 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,800 Speaker 1: really impactful and impacted them. So, you know some of 501 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 1: the things that and he's told me about some of 502 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,199 Speaker 1: the guys that have coached him, and you know, you 503 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: just realize that the guys that you're coaching, especially if 504 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 1: if they're here for a couple of years or whatever, 505 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: you know, the things that you can do or say 506 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,560 Speaker 1: or helped them with that might really make an impact 507 00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: on them. For this team, Who were some of the 508 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: young guys as we get started with the preseason against Cincinnati, 509 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Who are some of the guys that you really have 510 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: an eye on and want to see how they do 511 00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: in these games? Yeah, I mean, I think you start 512 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: with the draft picks and kind of work from there 513 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: because it really there's so much that it's going to 514 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: be influence on the roster based on how those young 515 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,920 Speaker 1: players develop. And you know, obviously when we're evaluating gays 516 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: for the draft, you know, you're doing your homework on 517 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: those players and you see them play in a variety 518 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: of different ways and try and project their skill sets. 519 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: But unless you're coaching a guy and you've been with 520 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: him in the building, like, it's really tough to know 521 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: personalities learning style, you know, toughness. Our scouts try to 522 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: find out all the information. They do a heck of 523 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,119 Speaker 1: a job, but at the end of the day, you 524 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 1: got to connect with that guy one on one. So 525 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: not only how they're doing for me, but are they 526 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:21,080 Speaker 1: doing so well on offense or defense that there's a 527 00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: different player whose role may change and how do they 528 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 1: fit in those things. So I'd say the non offensive 529 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 1: lineman draft drafted players that we took, and there's some 530 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 1: guys that are undrafted right now. Are we're undrafted in 531 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:40,160 Speaker 1: the spring who I think have a chance, But I'm 532 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 1: anxious to see them against NFL competition and see what happens. 533 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:51,119 Speaker 1: What about the return position kick returner, because obviously it's 534 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: changed now it's I assume still important, but it's not 535 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 1: as significant as it was fifteen years ago because of 536 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,200 Speaker 1: the way the rules have changed. Yeah, it's a tough 537 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,119 Speaker 1: one because you know, I guess I go back to 538 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: my four years in Denver and there's always that conversation 539 00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 1: that comes up, like we're playing at home, every ball 540 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: is going to be a touchback. Why are we even 541 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 1: working on this right now? And we could be working 542 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: on something else well, with a minute left to go 543 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: in the game. If there's a fifteen yard flag and 544 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 1: they're kicking off in the twenty that ball's landing and played, 545 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: it's probably going to be to our you know, to 546 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 1: our advantage to have worked on something in that situation. 547 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: They are more infrequent in terms of the returns and 548 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,720 Speaker 1: what they used to be. But when the ball lands 549 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 1: in play, you've got to be productive. And you know, 550 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: we're still working through who that guy is going to be, 551 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:44,880 Speaker 1: and some of it's gonna shake out. Most of the 552 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: guys who are working back. There are offensive players, running 553 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: backs and wide receivers, and you know, a year ago, 554 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: Rondale's role on offense wasn't what it probably will be 555 00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: this year. You know, if he's playing, say thirty to 556 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: fifty snapped some games, he was you know a little 557 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 1: over fifty percent as much as you know, eighty ninety percent. 558 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: But he's in a role where he could do both 559 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 1: return jobs. That's probably not gonna be the case this year, 560 00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: especially early on in the season. So we're still working 561 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,560 Speaker 1: through who who's who's going to be the punt returner 562 00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: in the kick returner. There's a number of guys that 563 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 1: may win that job, and hopefully we get some opportunities 564 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: in the preseason, because when it's live, it's different than 565 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: what it is in practice. How about you know Benjaminy 566 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: return kicks last year. His role is probably going to 567 00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,640 Speaker 1: increase on offense. So does that mean he's not in 568 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: the mix? No? I think as a guy, if a 569 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: guy's starting on offense or defense, you really got to 570 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: think about that um as a running back, specifically an 571 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: Eno situation. As things stand right now, James has likely 572 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,120 Speaker 1: to be the starter. He's likely to keep the bulk 573 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: of the reps. But there were situations last year where 574 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 1: it was chasing James and they were splitting time. So 575 00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: if Eno works himself into that range, maybe we would 576 00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: have to consider that. But you know, it's got a 577 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: really good skill set and he's matured a ton since 578 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: his rookie year, and I'm anxious to see what it 579 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: looks like now because his confidence has grown so much, 580 00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: and I think he's embraced that role as an opportunity 581 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: for the guy, for a playmaker to get the ball 582 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: in his hands, and usually guys like to be in 583 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: that position. Last question for me, Jeff, I'm curious. This 584 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,200 Speaker 1: is something probably you know fans don't think about, but 585 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,840 Speaker 1: what's the hardest adjustment You mentioned you want to see 586 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: the young guys and how they do. What's the hardest 587 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: adjustment going from college and most of these guys probably 588 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 1: don't play a lot of special teams in college to 589 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 1: now the NFL. What's the hardest thing for them in 590 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,719 Speaker 1: terms of adjustments to learn it? Is it? The mental 591 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: side of it is learning to be okay with being 592 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,120 Speaker 1: a special team's player. Like some guys, you know, maybe 593 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: look down on that in college and now there's maybe 594 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: they don't realize that could be their meal ticket. I 595 00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 1: mean you mentioned his Ekiel Turner where he is. I 596 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: mean Dennis Gardek got into the NFL probably because he 597 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: plays special teams. Now he's an impact player on defense. 598 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned some guys earlier that have started 599 00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: out as special teams players but then end up starting 600 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: and having great careers. Yeah. Well, in terms of player development, 601 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: I think every organization, if they had to draw it 602 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: up as best they could the first year, they would 603 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: be Now, everybody wants them to be Hall of famers 604 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: right in the rookie year, But the reality is if 605 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:30,240 Speaker 1: a player can come in and contribute in the kicking 606 00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: game and get some burn on offens or defense, and 607 00:31:33,280 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: their second year they're more of an impactful player on defense, 608 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: and by the third year they're starting right and then 609 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 1: guys that but there are guys that can carve out 610 00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,880 Speaker 1: an entire career doing just the kicking game. But eventually, 611 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: that's the way you wanted to work. You want to 612 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: you know, young players developing players in the kicking game. 613 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: They get better, they get better on their side of 614 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 1: the ball. They're making the team and making plays on 615 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: offensive defense, and the next group is coming in the 616 00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,240 Speaker 1: next wave, and you're just trying to repeat that process, 617 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: and that balances out your cap and stuff. Anytime you're 618 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 1: not just you know, paying a lot of money for 619 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,400 Speaker 1: guys that maybe have limited roles. I think the biggest 620 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: challenge for guys coming out. I do think that there 621 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: are some guys who have to get over the fact 622 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 1: that they're not maybe playing eighty plays in a game, 623 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: that they're only going to play twenty to twenty five 624 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,560 Speaker 1: covering kicks. I do think that has an impact. But 625 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,000 Speaker 1: I also think that between the Vets and the head 626 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: coach and me and Devin Fitzsimmons, that they quickly realize 627 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: that this is important, Like you are not going to 628 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,640 Speaker 1: address on game day as a backup unless you're contributing 629 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: to the kicking game. So they understand that, hey, this 630 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,640 Speaker 1: is what I gotta do right now. Hey, if the 631 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:47,440 Speaker 1: guy in front of me gets hurt. If I'm a 632 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: player and the guy in front of me gets hurt 633 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and I play outside backer, I can't go in the 634 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: game if I'm inactive, So I've got a better chance 635 00:32:54,360 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: of having a defensive role obviously if I'm up on 636 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: game day. The biggest challenge for those guys, though, is 637 00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: the mental part of things, because it's a job, it's 638 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: full time. They're no longer going to school. I don't 639 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: think the you know, general public knows how much meeting 640 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 1: time that those guys need to sit through and at 641 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 1: Sometimes it can be it can be monotonous, and if 642 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:22,000 Speaker 1: they're not focused, you know, it's tough. And this generation 643 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 1: of players that are coming out of college, they've been 644 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: in a digital world their whole life. It's been iPad's 645 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: been cell phones, it's you know, texting. You know, everything 646 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 1: is short and quick, and it's hard to keep their focus. 647 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:36,360 Speaker 1: More than twenty twenty five minutes and it's just the 648 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,240 Speaker 1: way the world is, sure, so as coaches, we got 649 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 1: to adopt that are just our coaching style, to adopt 650 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 1: it to those guys and make sure our message is 651 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: still going through even though we may have to teach 652 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: them in a different way. Listen, Jeff, this has been 653 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: great man. You're obviously a big part of the organization 654 00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,000 Speaker 1: and want to get a John, get the fans a 655 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 1: chance to kind of hear more about your story and 656 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 1: also how valuable you are to the coaching staff and 657 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 1: how all of you are not just with special teams 658 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: but on game day and decision making and helping Cliff 659 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: manage the game. And it was great to chat with you. 660 00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: Appreciate Yeah, anytime, really great to catch up with Jeff. 661 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: You can just hear just very smart. He knows the 662 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:22,120 Speaker 1: game very well. And hopefully, if the Cardinals continue to 663 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 1: win like Vance Joseph, Jeff will get an opportunity to 664 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 1: be a head coach in the NFL. John Harbaugh has 665 00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 1: been the standard for a special teams coach that's gotten 666 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,359 Speaker 1: a chance to be a head coach. Hopefully Jeff will 667 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: get an opportunity at some point because he's very smart 668 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,760 Speaker 1: and has done a great job with the Cardinal special 669 00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: teams and as he heard, is very involved during the 670 00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: week with game planning, decision making, when to go for 671 00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: it on fourth down clock management. He's a very important 672 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: person on game day and an asset for the Cardinals 673 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,880 Speaker 1: and for head coach Cliff Kingsbury. We are presented by 674 00:34:57,880 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: bet MGM, the official sports betting partner the Arizona Cardinals, 675 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: and by Hila River Hotels and Casinos. You can follow 676 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: us on Twitter at pashpod, and also go to your 677 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: podcast platform and rate us and tell us what you think. 678 00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: If there's a future guest that you want to hear from, 679 00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: whether it's Cardinals related, NFL related, or something completely outside 680 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: the National Football League, we'd love to hear from you 681 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: and what you think. Thanks again to Jeff Rogers, Cardinals 682 00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: Special teams coordinator and assistant head coach, and thanks to 683 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: you for listening to another edition of The Day Pash Podcast.