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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another episode of Crush City Territory sponsored

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Speaker 2: by the Foul Territory Network. I'm Channel of Roam with

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Speaker 2: Tyler Stafford and rejoining us IS co host Josh Reddick.

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Speaker 1: Josh uh, I know you were in in Disney World

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Speaker 1: or Disneyland. I know there's a big distinction.

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Speaker 3: So it was a it was a multiple city trip.

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Speaker 4: We went to Jacksonville first from Average Go Kart Race,

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Speaker 4: and then we flew out to disney Land. So we

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Speaker 4: went from Florida all the way to California because one

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Speaker 4: of my wife's friends had set up a VIP tour

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Speaker 4: and they invited us to come along.

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Speaker 3: So we're not going to miss that opportunity.

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Speaker 4: If you've never done the VIP tour at Disney, I

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Speaker 4: highly recommend it if you.

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Speaker 5: Have a thousand questions. Okay, so did you get to

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Speaker 5: go in the secret like Disney apartment that's on Main Street.

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Speaker 3: So we don't get to do that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: We're not I'm not, I'm not celebrity enough. We just

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Speaker 4: we just get the tour and you know, with with

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Speaker 4: the VIP to where you get pretty much.

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Speaker 3: A lightning lane all day. They walking around and put

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Speaker 3: you basically in the fastest line on every ride. You

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Speaker 3: can do it as many times you want. I mean,

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Speaker 3: my kid's.

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Speaker 4: Favorite rides are like thunder Mountain, Space Mountain and the

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Speaker 4: Car's ride the incredible with the cars driving around.

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Speaker 3: So we literally don't get out.

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Speaker 4: We get in, we tell me we want to ride

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Speaker 4: it twice, we don't hop out of the car, We

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Speaker 4: get mean bugged by everybody, and then we go again.

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Speaker 5: Did is the new Tiana one open in Disneyland?

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Speaker 3: Yet it is open? We did not get on it.

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Speaker 3: It was way too cold for a water ride that day.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, no, next time we'll get on it when

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Speaker 4: it's probably a little bit more warmer.

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Speaker 3: I'm all for the water rides, but it has to

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Speaker 3: be timed, right.

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Speaker 5: I told Chandler, I'm I saw I've got two kids,

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Speaker 5: and then I grew up a Disney family like that

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Speaker 5: was our big vacation every couple of years. And I

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Speaker 5: was like, I never consider that like a main part

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Speaker 5: of my personality. But as soon as I get to

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Speaker 5: talking about Disney with somebody, I'm like, oh, I can

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Speaker 5: talk about this all comes out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: On the opposite we grew up, you know, we did.

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Speaker 4: I didn't go to Disney until probably gosh, my lateeen years. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: our big, our big vacation every year was we'd go

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Speaker 4: to Atlanta and watch the Braves play for a weekend, which.

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Speaker 3: I love obviously.

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Speaker 4: My brother and I love that, and we go to

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Speaker 4: the water park there. I think it's called White Water,

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Speaker 4: So we go to water park all day, Braves game

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Speaker 4: at night. And but yeah, I didn't really get into

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Speaker 4: the Disney until I actually got married and had kids.

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Speaker 3: So I'm your kids prem at thirty seven years old.

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Speaker 5: How do your kids do on Pirates of the Caribbean.

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Speaker 3: Oh, they love it. Yeah, there's nothing.

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Speaker 4: There's nothing they're really scared of. The only one that

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Speaker 4: really pops out is Rider on the car Ride Cars

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Speaker 4: Ride when you're going through Radiator Springs and Frank the

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Speaker 4: big what do you, I don't know what the harvester

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Speaker 4: uh huh comes up.

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Speaker 3: That's what he kind of like cowers and turns it.

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Speaker 3: He just didn't like the loud noises. Love he was

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Speaker 3: the movie. But other than that, they're great.

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Speaker 5: That's always we try to time Pirates of the Caribbean

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Speaker 5: when we want them to go to sleep, because you're

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Speaker 5: like inside in the dark for so long.

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Speaker 4: That se that's that's when you go to It's a

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Speaker 4: small world.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, gets the way on the other side of

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Speaker 3: But you're cooling off, it's right. So it's great for

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Speaker 3: the parents, and.

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Speaker 4: We just do the same thing. We'd put them at

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Speaker 4: our end when they were there for their well before

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Speaker 3: Same thing. Give them a nice twenty thirty minute nap

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Speaker 3: here we go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys are saying words that I just don't.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you we could. We could do this for

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Speaker 5: two hours. I have so many questions. Where do you

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Speaker 5: stay when you go to Disney World?

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Speaker 3: Uh?

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Speaker 4: So, before kids, we actually stayed in resort. We stayed

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Speaker 4: at the Californian. After kids, we stay across the street

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Speaker 4: at the Anaheim Hotel.

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Speaker 5: M hm.

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Speaker 4: So I mean it's just I mean, I think it's

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Speaker 4: like two three hundred dollars cheaper a night. And you

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Speaker 4: know when you're getting when you get a VIP tour,

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Speaker 4: there's no need to get in there early for.

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Speaker 3: That extra hour.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Disneyland, there's no point in staying on there. What

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Speaker 5: about a Disney at Disney World in Florida?

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Speaker 1: Where do y'all.

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Speaker 3: Stay Disney World. We've bounced around.

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Speaker 4: We always stay resort, but I can't remember the name.

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Speaker 4: I remember one we stayed at had like a pirate theme.

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Speaker 4: Our whole room was pirate theme, our beds were pirate ships.

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Speaker 3: And then another time we stayed Oh god, I capt

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Speaker 3: I can't remember the names. Man. We've only been to

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Speaker 3: Disney World like two or three times.

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Speaker 4: And you know, you get so jumbled with Disney World

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Speaker 4: because you got to ride a gondola here there, you

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Speaker 4: gotta go over the city. Yeah, it's you've got to

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Speaker 4: dedicate a whole day just to like one park, like

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Speaker 3: You can't really mix a lot.

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Speaker 4: You're spending one day in that whole park, which is

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Speaker 4: what makes Disneyland it's so great. You can knock got

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Speaker 4: everything in the morning in California Adventures, head over to

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Speaker 1: It must be you're done.

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Speaker 5: Well yeah, well, well we'll continue this off air later.

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Speaker 1: But uh so.

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Speaker 2: Josh, while you were, while you were gallavancing around the

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Speaker 2: Disney properties, one of your former team mates got a

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Speaker 2: deal that I'm not sure that. Look, I've watched justin

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Speaker 2: Verlander enough to know you never doubt the guy. Never

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Speaker 2: in a million years that I ever doubt Justin Verlander.

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Speaker 2: But I think that one year fifteen million dollars to

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Speaker 2: the Giants, just after how last year ended for him.

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Speaker 2: He's going to be forty two years old in February.

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Speaker 2: I guess your initial reaction to Verlander getting that deal

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Speaker 2: with the team he got the deal with in the Giants.

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Speaker 3: So this partial reason, I think.

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Speaker 4: And it's crazy because fifteen million seems like Justin's taking

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Speaker 4: a huge pake at considering how much Justin has made

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Speaker 3: Last year.

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Speaker 4: I think he came out and said last year was

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Speaker 4: a pretty upsetting year for him personally from what he

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Speaker 4: guy's forty one and this is like his second setback

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Speaker 3: I think it was oh seven o eight where.

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Speaker 4: He had the shoulder problems and then came back no problem.

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Speaker 4: But I really like this move for him personally, because

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Speaker 4: you're pitching in the Bay Area, where the ball goes

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Speaker 4: nowhere at night, you're pitching in San Francisco, where the

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Speaker 4: he needs to. He's not that big power pitcher anymore.

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Speaker 4: But the ballpark he's going to be in there at

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Speaker 4: I think it makes all the difference. Now, on the

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Speaker 3: You go to that ballpark, it's you know, very hit

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Speaker 4: You go to places like Colorado, You're you're using probably

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Speaker 3: You can be down ten and never really fill out

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Speaker 4: But when he's at home, I think that's gonna be

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Speaker 3: And he's got another team with orange and.

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Speaker 4: And I don't get it, that's one of the ugliest

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Speaker 2: You know, Tyler and I spent the last pod kind

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Speaker 2: long as Jim Crane's involved, I wouldn't rule out Justin

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Speaker 2: You had a very unique perspective and that you were

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Speaker 2: So I know there was a ton going on at

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Speaker 2: because as of Harvey, you know, Dallas had said some

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Speaker 4: So it's actually a really great story because I'm with

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Speaker 3: We knew we'd make.

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Speaker 4: The playoffs, but you know, we needed that one piece

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Speaker 4: World Series contender that we could be. So yeah, that

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Speaker 4: whole month of August was pretty frustrating. We just kept winning,

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Speaker 4: something that we're going to have to step up and do.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, when you talk about the Harvey trip, going

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Speaker 4: all the way down to Tampa for you know, three

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Speaker 4: games against the Rangers, we won't even get into that.

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Speaker 3: Those selfish words.

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Speaker 4: I can't say, we can get into it just kind

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Speaker 4: of just let us play it life, come on.

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Speaker 3: Let's go.

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Speaker 4: But I actually got a great story about that trip

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Speaker 4: that we'll we'll rewind back to that.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, coming back here, and I remember being on.

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Speaker 4: I think we had that day off.

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Speaker 3: I think we had the off day and I was

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Speaker 4: And you know, I did everything, did what I had

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Speaker 3: Twenty of pumps on the heim lick, I got it out.

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Speaker 2: So there was no like, no one in the lobby,

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Speaker 3: Red, What the hell did you do?

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Speaker 1: Had you ever done the I never I had.

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Speaker 3: Never done anything. I had never been heimlich, I had

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Speaker 4: It's it's easier when you know what to do, it's

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Speaker 3: But you know, when that goes out the window and

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Speaker 4: That's I think that's what makes it kind of special

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Speaker 3: You know, that's not something that you just kind of

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Speaker 4: I'm there for for that feeling of giving back and

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Speaker 5: Dude, that is awesome. That's that's an incredible story and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, accomplished something like that to be able to handle

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Speaker 2: There's some divine intervention there too, because like you said,

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Speaker 5: So you mentioned you know Verlinder coming and and kind

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Speaker 4: So when he's not doing his routine and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: Just that typical baseball teammate.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're always talking crap to each other about

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Speaker 3: How great he is.

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Speaker 4: He got me the first time we ever had a

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Speaker 4: As after right after Kate Kate came up to me,

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Speaker 3: He's oh, my sister goes to Georgia. I was like, oh, yeah, cool,

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Speaker 3: I hated facing you all those years in the playoffs.

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Speaker 4: I wow, real humble here justin I thought it was fun.

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Speaker 3: I couldn't even tell you exactly why that.

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Speaker 2: How much, because you know, before that off that off

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Speaker 3: I think he just elevated.

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Speaker 4: Braves guy. I watched Brian play when I was in college.

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Speaker 4: You know, Atlanta was like a probably two hour draft

445
00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:02,840
Speaker 4: from my junior college. So Buddy and I would always

446
00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280
Speaker 4: go up. Him and Jeff Frank Korman were my two

447
00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:07,920
Speaker 4: guys to watch watch him.

448
00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,640
Speaker 3: Guy like Carls Beltrott obviously know we know his track record.

449
00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,479
Speaker 4: When those three guys came in, and you know, with

450
00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 4: Charlie coming in as well, I looked at those three

451
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Speaker 4: guys as our clubhouse. There's all these all the media

452
00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:20,800
Speaker 4: made it about oh here's Reddick. Well, yeah, great Reddick

453
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Speaker 4: was a veteran in an Oakland A's clubhouse with a

454
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Speaker 4: bunch of guys who had never really gotten the shot.

455
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:26,159
Speaker 3: Young guys.

456
00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:28,800
Speaker 4: Great, you know, great veteran in that clubhouse when you

457
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Speaker 4: think about it, because at that point, I was the

458
00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:32,919
Speaker 4: ten year veteran in the Oakland A's club. When I

459
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Speaker 4: come over to the Astros and you go from gosh,

460
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Speaker 4: when you go down that lineup from Springer two ve

461
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Speaker 4: Korea Beltron, but can like all these guys, and not

462
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Speaker 4: only homegrown guys who have been there for a few

463
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Speaker 4: years now, I've already learned how to play well together,

464
00:18:45,680 --> 00:18:47,040
Speaker 4: not only at the big league level.

465
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Speaker 3: Would have been in the minor league and just grew

466
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Speaker 3: and grew and grew through the system.

467
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Speaker 4: You don't get that that's special to have all those

468
00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 4: home rown guys not only come up and be successful,

469
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Speaker 4: but come up and be successful with your ball club.

470
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Speaker 4: Because when I was coming up Red Sox, we had

471
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Speaker 4: a lot of great success in our minor league, in

472
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Speaker 4: our big league. But when you look back at the

473
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Speaker 4: homegrown talent they had, I mean you had Elsbury, Pedroia,

474
00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,560
Speaker 4: and I think Euculus were only really three or Buckles

475
00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,840
Speaker 4: and Buckles like the only four guys that were homegrown

476
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Speaker 4: that succeeded through that team.

477
00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:17,520
Speaker 3: Other than that, they was kind of dispersed in free agency.

478
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Speaker 4: But when you look at you know, when you look

479
00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 4: at that that seventeen team, you look all around me

480
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,480
Speaker 4: and that was a team full of homegrown talent with

481
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Speaker 4: just a couple of added.

482
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Speaker 3: Pieces here and there. Excuse me.

483
00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you bring a guy like JV into that man,

484
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,040
Speaker 4: you just one your spirit is going to be boosting

485
00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:33,600
Speaker 4: because you know how good this guy is. You don't

486
00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:35,679
Speaker 4: have to face him anymore. You know what he's going

487
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,920
Speaker 4: to give you every day. So I think having that relief,

488
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,679
Speaker 4: and like I said before, maybe having you know, the

489
00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:41,480
Speaker 4: guys bumped back.

490
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Speaker 3: Obviously outside of Dallas. Dallas was the most confident, one

491
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Speaker 3: of the most confident players that ever played with in

492
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Speaker 3: my life, and I love that.

493
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Speaker 4: But when you take guys like Lance who was still

494
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Speaker 4: trying to kind of figure out Charlie, who was still

495
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Speaker 4: kind of on the fence about retiring at that point

496
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Speaker 4: or being good, he ended up being really great.

497
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Speaker 3: So I think it just we all fed off of him,

498
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Speaker 3: not only.

499
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Speaker 4: Just pigeon staff, but were able to him to interact

500
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Speaker 4: with all the hitters as well, because when you look

501
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Speaker 4: in the dugout, you know, and I know later on

502
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 4: a disasters for he would always sit like you know,

503
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Speaker 4: by Dusty and by aj down there on the on

504
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Speaker 4: the coaches bench.

505
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Speaker 3: But when those first three years.

506
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Speaker 4: You'd see him floating in our dugout and always constantly

507
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 4: talking about it. Because when you know, when you're a

508
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Speaker 4: starting pitcher and you're not pitching, if you're not in

509
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Speaker 4: the dugout, either in the training room getting treatment watching

510
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 4: the game, you're either having some food watching the game,

511
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,280
Speaker 4: or if you're a former Red Sock, you're having a.

512
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Speaker 3: Beer and watching the game, which is what starters do,

513
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Speaker 3: what they did back then.

514
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Speaker 4: You know, it was always if I'm not anywhere close

515
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Speaker 4: to being in this game, I'm going to crack open

516
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Speaker 4: a couple of bud Lights and I'm gonna put it

517
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Speaker 4: in the Gatorade cup and I'm gonna go hang out

518
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Speaker 4: in the dugout and watch the boys win while trying

519
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Speaker 4: to help them as well.

520
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Speaker 3: So he's constantly just.

521
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Speaker 4: A master of the game, learning while being also able

522
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Speaker 4: to pass on the information to us in the.

523
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Speaker 2: Game you had to you, probably more than anyone, had

524
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Speaker 2: an intimate knowledge of what he was like playoffs, because

525
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Speaker 2: as we talked about both off air and you just

526
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Speaker 2: mentioned it, what he did in twenty twelve and twenty

527
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Speaker 2: thirteen of the Oakland Athletics was some stuff that just

528
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Speaker 2: doesn't get done anymore. As someone that like did A,

529
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Speaker 2: I have two questions. A, as you're watching him pitch

530
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Speaker 2: in the twenty seventeen ALCS, did you get flashbacks to

531
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Speaker 2: that oak to as he pitched in Oakland? And then

532
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Speaker 2: as you're can you just take us through what it

533
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Speaker 2: was like trying to trying to hit him in that

534
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Speaker 2: twenty twelve and twenty thirty in those two division series

535
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Speaker 2: where I mean you look at his numbers.

536
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Speaker 1: He struck out. I believe it was forty four guys

537
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Speaker 1: across four starts in those in those two years at

538
00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:47,640
Speaker 1: this playoff baseball like this isn't you and.

539
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Speaker 4: Had a perfect game in Game five of twenty thirteen

540
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Speaker 4: through six innings, I mean, you're not, which which I

541
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,280
Speaker 4: broke up and I remind him all the time of

542
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Speaker 4: that because it was a O two count.

543
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Speaker 3: He walked me, so I was like, yeah.

544
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Speaker 4: But yeah, I definitely I did have flashbacks to that

545
00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,680
Speaker 4: because I saw how great he was and it was

546
00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:06,800
Speaker 4: so fun to be on that side of things because.

547
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Speaker 3: It on it made my job a whole lot easier

548
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 3: as an outfielder.

549
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Speaker 4: At that When you go back to those two years, man,

550
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,719
Speaker 4: it was like, gosh, when I think we didn't never

551
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:18,240
Speaker 4: say it out loud, but I think we all knew

552
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,080
Speaker 4: deep down that if we wanted to win this series,

553
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Speaker 4: we did not have We could not get to a

554
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 4: game five, which and you look back at that rotation,

555
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Speaker 4: it's pretty damn near impossible because it was JV Max Schurzer,

556
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Speaker 4: Annibal Sanchez, Gosh, it was their fourth starter and Dutch mister. Yeah,

557
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Speaker 4: like when Dutch fisters your number four, that's that's pretty

558
00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 4: pretty damn impressive. So for us to be able to

559
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Speaker 4: because we didn't beat Serzer, we beat their bullpen in

560
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Speaker 4: game two, we beat I think Sanchez or no, we.

561
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Speaker 3: Lost to Stanchez, and we we didn't beat Fist.

562
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Speaker 4: We ended up getting val Verde on a walk off

563
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Speaker 4: in twenty twelve. But yeah, once we I think once

564
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Speaker 4: we knew we got the game five.

565
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Speaker 3: We were kind of like boys.

566
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Speaker 4: We can't let we can't. We got we can't let

567
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Speaker 4: him score one. We gott let him score one just

568
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Speaker 4: to win this game. And you know, we knew how

569
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Speaker 4: hard that was against that staff. And when you get

570
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Speaker 4: a guy like that, and you know JV's.

571
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Speaker 3: Up there still pumping the ninety eighth and ninety nine's

572
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Speaker 3: and the eighth.

573
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Speaker 6: Inning, it's, uh, it makes it pretty pretty hard to

574
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Speaker 6: line up against a guy like that, especially in a

575
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Speaker 6: place like Oakland, you know, Oakland being very good place

576
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Speaker 6: to pitch at night.

577
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Speaker 4: But the one thing I will say about it is

578
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Speaker 4: cool is that game five and twenty thirteen as loud

579
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Speaker 4: as the ballpark I've ever been in. And I've been

580
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Speaker 4: lucky enough to you know, win a World Series, been

581
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Speaker 4: in some playoff games at Minute May or sorry, Dynkin Park.

582
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Speaker 3: And being in those those playoff atmospheres.

583
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Speaker 4: And Jv'll say the same thing, that Game five and

584
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Speaker 4: twenty thirteen loudest have you ever been in the ballpark.

585
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Speaker 2: Craig Diggio always tells a story about when because he

586
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:52,160
Speaker 2: and Jeff Bagwell were in Carrie Wood's twenty strikeout game,

587
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 2: and Diggio always tells a story about he walked back

588
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: to the dugout afters first at bat and said, guys.

589
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Speaker 1: We ain't getting anything today.

590
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Speaker 2: Was there anything like that with any of Verlands? Like

591
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Speaker 2: these four starts with Verlander? Did you guys know, like

592
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:09,640
Speaker 2: first or second ending like this, we're we're up against it.

593
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:10,920
Speaker 3: No, we don't.

594
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Speaker 4: I don't think I've ever had that feeling in a

595
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 4: playoff atmosphere, cause just because simply you're in the playoffs

596
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 4: and not walking back with that.

597
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 3: So I think regular sceneing might be a little easier

598
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: to comprehend that.

599
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 4: No, I think the only time I really felt that way,

600
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Speaker 4: I wasn't in the lineup that goes. Actually, when I

601
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 4: was a Dodger, we were playing the Giants and Matt Moore.

602
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:31,879
Speaker 3: Had a I think it was a no hitter of

603
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,120
Speaker 3: a perfect game. It's eight and two thirds and I'm like, well,

604
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 3: it's never been a part of one. This is going

605
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:37,520
Speaker 3: to be it.

606
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 4: And then he ends up giving like a one two

607
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,760
Speaker 4: dumper knock to Corey Seeger to break it up. But

608
00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 4: that guy was just I think he struck out like

609
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 4: fourteen or fifteen that day, and you know, our guys

610
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,080
Speaker 4: just could not touch him.

611
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: And I'm just sitting the dugout going Yep, I'm staying

612
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,120
Speaker 3: right here all night, and I'm competing that this guy

613
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: looks like zero fun.

614
00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 5: So now that we know that Verlanders in the Astros rotation,

615
00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 5: walk us through. You know, the Astros have a pretty

616
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 5: solid top of the rotation and then, uh, you know,

617
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 5: we talked about it a couple episodes ago, but you know,

618
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 5: they've got really like six or seven guys that could conceivably,

619
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Speaker 5: you know, take over that three four five spot walk

620
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:23,680
Speaker 5: us through, Like, what are you what are your thoughts

621
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Speaker 5: on Astro's rotation without Verlander?

622
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 4: Now, well, you know, it's just something that they're going

623
00:25:29,280 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 4: to have to learn to adapt and pass that torch

624
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: on to the next guy.

625
00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 3: You've got some really good.

626
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 4: Talent, you know, you got fromber who's gonna be fromer

627
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 4: here and there.

628
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 3: He's going to be a guy that, you know.

629
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Speaker 4: Seems to just struggle with the consistency of being great.

630
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:44,520
Speaker 4: You know, he can go out through eight innings of

631
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 4: two hit, shutout baseball, and then the next one it

632
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 4: could be three and two thirds or four innings of

633
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,719
Speaker 4: eight run balls. I think it's just about getting him

634
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 4: to be more consistent at his success and maybe not

635
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 4: trying too hard. I think the turnaround for Hunter Brown

636
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: last year was leaps and bounds and steps that he

637
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 4: needed to make, and I don't think anybody thought he

638
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,720
Speaker 4: would make that big of a jump so quickly. He

639
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 4: continues to do that this year completely fine, He's just fine.

640
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 3: You know.

641
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,680
Speaker 4: Then you get you know, a guy like Jave Hoavier's

642
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 4: back mid season correct from the surgery.

643
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 2: They they said that, Yeah, I mean he had he

644
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 2: had Tommy John last June, so it'd be cutting it.

645
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, So maybe maybe get the guy like that back

646
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 4: at the end of the year to run for you

647
00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:28,359
Speaker 4: you get your playoff hopes in there. But yeah, I

648
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 4: think there's there's plenty of opportunities for guys. Step Are

649
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,159
Speaker 4: you going to be the next Justin Berlander? Probably not

650
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 4: just you know, except that just be you know, have

651
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,359
Speaker 4: Hunter Brown be Hunter Brown. You know, we get all

652
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 4: these comps of him being the next JV from where

653
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 4: he pitches and all this stuff.

654
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 3: It's electric. But I think these guys just need to, you.

655
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 4: Know, really work at it and maybe watch JV video

656
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 4: and not try to recreate him, but try to just

657
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: do as much as they can to get involved and

658
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 4: just you know, just I'm gonna I hate to stay

659
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 4: it because I'm trying.

660
00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to be a moneyball guy.

661
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 4: But maybe take two guys to make that justin Berlanders

662
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 4: stats show up as opposed to having one guy pick

663
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 4: up that slack fri and have your four and five

664
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 4: guy be you know, the middle ground of what you

665
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 4: got out of him, and then you know, flip.

666
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 3: It back over to your your number one starter and fromber.

667
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: To me the wild card and all this. And he's

668
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 2: been mentioned a lot in this whole pod. And obviously,

669
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 2: Josh you know him a lot better than we do.

670
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:27,399
Speaker 2: But but Lance McCullers, who has really just I mean, his

671
00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:28,479
Speaker 2: body has betrayed him.

672
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: I don't know a better way to say it.

673
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,200
Speaker 2: When he's out there, he's nasty, but just hasn't been

674
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: out there a ton. You know the guy, and you

675
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: know how much he wants to be out there and

676
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,199
Speaker 2: pitching it. It just hasn't worked out for him. What

677
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 2: if they can get him on the mound and get

678
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 2: meaningful innings out of him, because we know, look when

679
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: he pitches, he's really good.

680
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 3: Gross, He's like, what.

681
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 2: Could he do if they can get him on the

682
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 2: mound and healthy and get him into that maybe third

683
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 2: fourth starter role behind those two guys.

684
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 1: What could that do to elevate this rotation.

685
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 4: So I've said it for like two years now with Lance,

686
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 4: with all these injuries, I think it might be a

687
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,200
Speaker 4: better option for him to get off the starting rotation job,

688
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 4: maybe be that middle relief guy big you know, if

689
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 4: you need a big out or three outs in the

690
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 4: fifth or sixth, fourth, fifth or sixth inning. I think

691
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 4: he's your guy you call upon because you limit his

692
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 4: workload because of all the injuries.

693
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 3: He's obviously not going to be your seventh eighth inning guy.

694
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 4: With what the guys have now, he could be that

695
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 4: guy when you know the brave Presley or Hater need

696
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 4: that day off.

697
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: You saw him up there.

698
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,360
Speaker 4: But personally, I think for Lance and for that team,

699
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 4: it's better for him to just limit his innings, not

700
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:39,960
Speaker 4: increase his workload.

701
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 3: He doesn't need to pitch. He doesn't need to pitch

702
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 3: one hundred and twenty innings a year. I don't think.

703
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 4: I think if you make him a middle reliever kind

704
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 4: of like you know what Seth Martinez his role was

705
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: in this past season of the year before that.

706
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 3: Just give him the time when you need the big

707
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 3: outs and just.

708
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 4: Make him that guy. I think it's going to help

709
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: him in the long run. It's going to make him a.

710
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 3: Lot better for recovery. It's going to overall.

711
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 4: I think it's just a better option for the whole,

712
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 4: for the whole situation when you look at it, because

713
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 4: it's always an arm issue with him. He likes the curveball.

714
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 4: He's a big, you know, big spin rate guy. So

715
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 4: I just think when you when when you take those

716
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: things down, I think that's gonna be his best option.

717
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'll say this, Dana Brown was asked about

718
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: that at the Winter Meetings this year at the when

719
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 2: we were in his suite, and he didn't close the

720
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: door on that. He said, that's something that they're thinking about.

721
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 2: And look, I mean, Josh, you know, like I know,

722
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 2: Lance wants to start. I know Lance thinks of himself

723
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 2: as a starting pitcher. And you know, you don't go

724
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 2: buy this at all, but but I mean he is

725
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 2: also paid like a starting picture just with the contract

726
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: he signed and things like that. So you do kind

727
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 2: of wonder is there a you know, I first thing

728
00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 2: that popped into Mina it was Brad peacock, a guy

729
00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: that you know, very versatile, started games for you when

730
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: you needed it, but could come in and middle relief,

731
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: be that swingman. I think though, with the way this

732
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 2: rotation is gonna line up to start the year, I

733
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 2: think they may need Lance to get into the rotation

734
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: just because of like you said, they don't know what

735
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 2: Hobvier's future is. They don't know Luis Garcia. They think

736
00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 2: he'll be back in time, but you don't know, So

737
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: the depths maybe gonna maybe force Lance to be in

738
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 2: the rotation.

739
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: But I do wonder too.

740
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: You know, we've talked about they're looking at trying to

741
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: move Ryan Presley for you know, some saladary relief and

742
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: trying to you know, move some money around. So maybe

743
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: if they do move Presley, maybe that's a logical way

744
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,960
Speaker 2: to kind of slide a break up to the eighth

745
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 2: inning role. Hater's your closer, and then who knows, maybe

746
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 2: you can find a spot for Lance in the bullpen.

747
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 2: But I think you and I both know that if

748
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 2: Lance was given his druthers, he'd probably want to be

749
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: a starting pitcher, right.

750
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 3: He definitely would. He definitely would be a starter. But

751
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 3: I think a guy with as big as a dog

752
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: as Lance is, and he wants to win, He's gonna

753
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: do whatever it takes for that team to win. And

754
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 3: if that is the case, I actually didn't know they

755
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 3: were trying to move Pressley.

756
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: So that's that's good if I mean, I hate to

757
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 4: say that's good because that comes off wrong.

758
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: They do move a guy like that, I completely agree.

759
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 3: He becomes your kind of floater like Peacock was.

760
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 4: Gives you a spot start, gives you two innings, maybe

761
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 4: three innings here and there, three days, four days later,

762
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,960
Speaker 4: he's back in your sixth and seventh inning role.

763
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 3: I completely agree with that.

764
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 4: And I think at the end of the day, if

765
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,720
Speaker 4: they do figure out their rotation that Lance would be

766
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 4: completely fine with that. He might not like it on

767
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 4: the inside, but he's gonna go out there and if

768
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 4: he's in that seventh inning, he's gonna give you fifteen

769
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 4: pitches at max effort and he's gonna and ultimately I

770
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 4: think it makes some grosser. I think it makes Lance

771
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 4: a lot more nasty with his pitches. He can more

772
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 4: max effort. The runner, the ninety four runner that he throws,

773
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 4: and obviously we know what he can bring with his

774
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: knuckle curveball, you know, a little bit more max effort

775
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: with that one as well. But like I said, I

776
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 4: think it just all comes down to him getting more

777
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 4: recovery time and is you know, not increasing that workload

778
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 4: like I said, because you know.

779
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 3: They have him for what is it, two more years

780
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 3: after this year? Years, three years including this year. Yeah,

781
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 3: so you know this isn't just a this year thing.

782
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 4: This is something where if we're not looking to just

783
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 4: have Lance right off into the stud set because of

784
00:31:58,560 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: his injuries, we can at least statisfy ourselves with the

785
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,239
Speaker 4: money we paid him because these next three years, if

786
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 4: he is your middle relief for back end guy, you

787
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 4: know what, we love that because Lance has been such

788
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 4: an integral part of this Houston.

789
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:12,800
Speaker 3: Astros team for the last nine years.

790
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 4: You're completely statisfyed with what Lance has brought to your

791
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,040
Speaker 4: table for this ball club.

792
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 3: And I think that he can ride off into.

793
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 4: The sunset like that, because at the end of the day,

794
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 4: it's all about him being healthy for a full season.

795
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: You know, we all know he wants to be a starter,

796
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 4: but we've seen too many people transition into that role

797
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,040
Speaker 4: because of injuries, because of you.

798
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 3: Know, the people throwing one hundred. Now, I think it's just.

799
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: He's going to be happy because he wants to be

800
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 4: out there. I think at the end, he just wants

801
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 4: to be out there competing, whether it is a starter

802
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: job or a relief job.

803
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

804
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,760
Speaker 5: And I think sometimes if somebody hears a comp of

805
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 5: Brad Peacock, they might not be too excited. I'll have

806
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 5: you know. Unironically, Brad Peacock is one of my favorite

807
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 5: players ever. In twenty seventeen, I called him the staff

808
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,840
Speaker 5: Ace the entire year because it seemed like every time

809
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 5: he was going to go out and give you five

810
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: and two thirds of two run ball. And there's something

811
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 5: about that consistency and then the ability to what was

812
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,040
Speaker 5: a game game three.

813
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 4: Game three, three.

814
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 3: And two thirds sitting saved, right.

815
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 5: I was, I was way up in the the upper

816
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 5: deck up there watching that. But that was a mccullor's

817
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 5: Peacock tandem, right, and so two pits the whole game, yep.

818
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 5: And you know, truly, Peacock has a very similar repertoire

819
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 5: where you just threw that sinker and slider. And I

820
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 5: think if you can limit Lance to just say like, hey,

821
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 5: you're gonna go out and face four guys like throw

822
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 5: that curveball eighty percent of the time. You don't have

823
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 5: to worry about trying to get through, you know, six innings.

824
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 5: I mean, I think that's a really really valuable piece,

825
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 5: especially when you get into the postseason, right because starters

826
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 5: outside of Justin Verlander aren't going too long anyway, and

827
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,600
Speaker 5: so guy that you can count on for two innings,

828
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 5: you know, every game, every other game in a playoff

829
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 5: is almost as valuable, if not more valuable than yours.

830
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 4: It's an underrated it's an underrated piece on the board,

831
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 4: and especially in the playoffs. When you think about that

832
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 4: middle relief guy who comes in and gets those big

833
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: five outs.

834
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 3: Nobody talks about that, Nobody talks about him post game,

835
00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 3: nobody talks about him in the media. But when you're

836
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 3: in that clubhouse, you know how big it is.

837
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 4: You know, the media knows how big those guys are

838
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: because they're not gonna win you any awards, They're not

839
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: gonna do anything spectacular for you.

840
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 3: They're not even gonna get a name ticker on the

841
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:36,839
Speaker 3: bottom of the sports center line.

842
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 4: So to be able to have those guys just fly

843
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 4: under that radar and be able to get their job

844
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 4: done in the biggest some of the biggest moments in

845
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 4: the game. I completely agree with you. And let's not

846
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 4: forget Lance's change up is no thing to mess with either.

847
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 4: I mean, he's so good against both righty's and lefties.

848
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 4: And I think that really helps their case too, because

849
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 4: you don't have to wait for that one opportunity in

850
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:57,239
Speaker 4: the game.

851
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:58,879
Speaker 3: You don't have to plug him in the fourth inning

852
00:34:59,239 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: or say the fifth thing.

853
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 4: You can line them up against anybody in the lineup,

854
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 4: whether they're lefty righty, and he can go out there

855
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: and get it done.

856
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:05,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

857
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, like like we said, I mean that's

858
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 5: a really valuable piece to have. And I know you're

859
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:14,359
Speaker 5: up in Colorado a bit. You know where Mount Yale is.

860
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: It's like an hour and a half or so from.

861
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 3: So I'm not familiar with theory. I just I know

862
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 3: the drive from Denver to Brick.

863
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 4: I know how to Copper Mountain yep, and I know

864
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 4: how to get the Silver Thorn pretty much. But I

865
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 4: let my wife do most of the driving there because

866
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 4: this South Georgia boy did not grow up driving in

867
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 4: snow rice and especially with the kids in the car.

868
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 4: I think it's a lot safer for her to do

869
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 4: that because she's at least years.

870
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:40,000
Speaker 3: Driving in it.

871
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 5: Well, you'll you'll have to let Brad know this. But

872
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,200
Speaker 5: a couple of years ago I climbed Mount Yale. It's

873
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 5: a fourteen er, and I took his baseball card in

874
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 5: my pocket and I have a picture of his card

875
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 5: at the top of Mount Yale. I truly like man.

876
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 5: He was still good on those teams. I loved watching

877
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:58,439
Speaker 5: him pitch.

878
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 2: That's awesome at full Circle. I was looking at some

879
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 2: of to prepare for this. I was looking at some

880
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 2: of Justin verlanders pit postseason pitch game logs. He had

881
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 2: a stretch six postseason starts from twenty eleven to twenty

882
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: twelve where these were the pitch counts one, twenty eighty two,

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00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: one thirty three, one twenty one, one twenty two and

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Speaker 2: one thirty two. In twenty nineteen, I don't think anyone

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00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: remembers who started Game six of the ALCS for the Astros.

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Speaker 3: When when hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,

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Speaker 3: hold on wait what year? Sorry?

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00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 2: Twenty nineteen, twenty nineteen, the Jose al Tuove the pit,

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Speaker 2: the walkoff AL two V's walk off to win the.

890
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Speaker 3: Pennant who started it for us, who.

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00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: Started it for the Houston as it.

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Speaker 3: Was Verlander versus Curtain. No, no, no, no, that was

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Speaker 3: Game five. I was getting five of the World Series, Yankee.

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Speaker 3: God was it pack Pat No, pack packs In.

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Speaker 1: I think it was Packson for the game.

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Speaker 4: I know because I didn't start, So it had to

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Speaker 4: be James Paxton versus I mean we're.

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Speaker 3: Talking about him.

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Speaker 2: Was it JV It was staff Ace Brad Peacock, Yeah,

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00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:19,919
Speaker 2: staff Ace Brad Peacock. And that that just shows how

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00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:24,360
Speaker 2: the complete you know, pitching has changed. The concept of

902
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: a starter has changed, the concept of how to get

903
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 2: twenty seven outs in the playoffs has changed. There are

904
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Speaker 2: very few Justin Verlanders left that anyone's going to be

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00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 2: allowed to throw one hundred and thirty pitches in a

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Speaker 2: playoff game.

907
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Speaker 4: But nobody, nobody can throw a hundred and thirty pitches

908
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 4: in the game anymore.

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Speaker 2: No, No, maybe Justin, Maybe Justin will Convince Bomel in

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00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: San Francisco, if he's got it going, maybe.

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00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 4: I tell you the first person that will do it

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00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: will be Tarique schoo Ball pronounceble.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, he's still he's still young. They're getting

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Speaker 3: good A j don't. AJ ain't gonna hold him back

915
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Speaker 3: if he's you know, if they.

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Speaker 4: Got no better options, he's going to be your best

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Speaker 4: chance no matter what. If I'm looking at you know,

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00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 4: the nine thin and my man's at one hundred and

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Speaker 4: ten pitches in a three ball game, go back out there, Bud.

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Speaker 3: You got it. We got we got we got to

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Speaker 3: all the one.

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Speaker 2: One young Tigers pitcher may be emulating another. So this

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Speaker 2: has been fun. I appreciate it, Josh. We will have

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Speaker 2: you back on next week for another episode of Crush

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