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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: All right, we have a special guest with us today

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Speaker 2: that I'm pretty excited about, somebody I've been watching for

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Speaker 2: a solid fifteen years on YouTube and podcast that I

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Speaker 2: listened to a lot.

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Speaker 3: Also, Hannah, you've driven, you are driving.

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Speaker 2: I guess some Mercedes gl E AMG sixty three.

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Speaker 1: That's correct, Yes, V eight mild hybrid V eight six hundred.

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Speaker 3: The coop version.

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Speaker 2: Actually tell us about that for a second before we

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Speaker 2: get to Roman. And we're going to talk to Roman Micah,

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Speaker 2: who founded TfL TfL Studios.

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Speaker 3: They have a million different channels. I've been watching them forever.

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Speaker 2: But why don't we just quickly first talk about the

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Speaker 2: AMG you're driving, and also mention our email address I

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Speaker 2: always forget.

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Speaker 1: The email address is Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

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Speaker 1: And if you write us, we'd love to hear suggestions comments.

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Speaker 2: I've been getting a lot of awesome suggestions. We respond

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Speaker 2: to obviously all the emails that we get, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: definitely shoot us an email Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot

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Speaker 2: net and we will get back to you. But let's

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Speaker 2: get into the Mercedes real quick before we get over

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Speaker 2: to Roman.

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Speaker 1: This is the Mercedes AMG gls Coop, which is a

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Speaker 1: really long and unwieldy name. It looks like every other

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Speaker 1: Mercedes suv, kind of like a rounded jellyban, I guess,

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Speaker 1: but it's the AMG version six hundred and five horse

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Speaker 1: power like mid mid six hundred torque V eight mild hybrid.

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Speaker 1: But I have to say it only gets like fifteen

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Speaker 1: miles per gallon in the city, and like it combines

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Speaker 1: sixteen miles per gallon, So just because it's a hybrid

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Speaker 1: does not mean it gets good efficiency. But the power

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Speaker 1: is incredible. It starts at like one hundred and thirty thousand,

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Speaker 1: and the one that I know, the one that I have,

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Speaker 1: which is painted in like this really cool sort of

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Speaker 1: matt chalky gray with bronze cals, I think it's I

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Speaker 1: just looked at the press sheet. It's like one hundred

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Speaker 1: and forty eight thousand, so it's it's a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: Doesn't look like people won't know that you spent that

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Speaker 1: much if you see it.

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Speaker 2: True, Well, that's I think that one of the that's

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Speaker 2: one of the things about Mercedes vehicles. I felt this

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Speaker 2: also drove a gl the like one step down from

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Speaker 2: what you're driving, the AMG fifty three, but from the outside,

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Speaker 2: like you barely notice them. They're not yes ugly per se,

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Speaker 2: but they're not amazing to look at. When you get in,

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Speaker 2: you're just cushioned in this you know, endless cave of

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Speaker 1: It's really opulent. Yeah, and with carbon fiber and like

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Speaker 1: two tone Swede. The one I'm in is like sort

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Speaker 1: I said, carbon fiber accents. Honestly, it does feel really luxurious.

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Speaker 1: It may be a little too busy, you know, I

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Speaker 1: can see where it's really borderline, like they probably put

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Speaker 1: optioned in maybe too too many options on the interior

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Speaker 1: because it's pretty busy with all of the buttons and

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Speaker 1: technology and vins and everything. I mean, compared to the

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Speaker 3: That's interesting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it does feel really opulent inside.

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Speaker 1: Is, yet it's the best in the business, best in

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Speaker 3: Totally agree.

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Speaker 2: And I don't like a spartan, totally spartan cockpit that

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Speaker 2: and then they've give you this, given you this incredibly complex.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I drive is getting worse.

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Speaker 2: So I love the Mercedes mbucks system and the fact

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Speaker 2: Think the interior just is amazing, and maybe it is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of unbelieved. It's even I mean, I

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Speaker 3: Do you know what somebody should safari that?

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Speaker 2: Like, I know it's too expensive to do it right away,

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Speaker 2: but I would like to see a rally Fighter version,

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Speaker 1: That would be very cool, like fog lights and racks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, maybe our next guest can do that

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Speaker 2: at some point. Because they test so many cars and

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Speaker 2: different channels. So without any further ado, let's get to

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Speaker 2: Roman Micah. He is the founder and I guess president

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Speaker 2: of TfL Studios and ALLTFL dot com.

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Speaker 3: Why don't we.

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Speaker 2: Kick it off Roman by you tell us what you

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Speaker 2: what you guys are doing right now because you've grown

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Speaker 3: So what's the story with TfL.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of copied you know Peterson who started

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Speaker 4: it's been a whirldwind pleasure ride because I've always loved

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Speaker 4: to work with him. Yeah, Tommy, And I'm just I

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Speaker 1: Thanks for saying that. I want to jump right in

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Speaker 1: to basically hear what you think about electric trucks. I mean,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, like outside of motorcycles. I would think

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Speaker 4: used for three different things, basically hauling, towing, and for

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's too expensive.

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Speaker 2: I think you guys also, And I feel like it

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Speaker 4: You know. I think Rams got it right with a

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Andre's a He's a software engineer by training. He

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Speaker 4: But thank you for saying that. I'll pass that along

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Speaker 1: So I'm really curious, Frohman, what was the best truck

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Speaker 4: you're always kind of walking kind of a tiptoe line.

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00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,000
Speaker 4: And I know a lot of people say you don't,

435
00:20:12,000 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 4: but I think you know, if somebody gives you something,

436
00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 4: you feel kind of like you owe him something, whereas

437
00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:19,080
Speaker 4: when you buy them with your own money, you feel

438
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:21,160
Speaker 4: like you don't owe anything. So I like buying things

439
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:25,480
Speaker 4: because it makes us completely honest and completely real and

440
00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:28,399
Speaker 4: and we we don't have to kind of pull our punches.

441
00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,399
Speaker 4: I'm not saying we pull our punches when it comes

442
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 4: from the press league, but there is this kind of

443
00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,440
Speaker 4: symbiotic relationship and you do want to, you know, keep

444
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 4: in good uh stead with the manufacturers. Having said that,

445
00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,760
Speaker 4: we did get black stood by Ford, So.

446
00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:40,960
Speaker 3: I remember that.

447
00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,720
Speaker 1: That's good. I think that's healthy.

448
00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:45,840
Speaker 3: Plus I remember.

449
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: Of honordge of honor.

450
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,800
Speaker 2: And got in trouble with Porsio when you tested the

451
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 2: nine to eleven up against a Nissan Van.

452
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 4: Oh that was not good. Yeah, you remember that. Thank you?

453
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,119
Speaker 4: We were learning, We were learning, that was That was

454
00:20:59,200 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 4: my bad.

455
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 2: Let's get to the to the super trucks, because you

456
00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: guys did a ton of content on that and I

457
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,600
Speaker 2: walked every second of it. What do you think about

458
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:11,119
Speaker 2: super charged V eights and a pickup truck, you know,

459
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 2: doing ungodly times and they're they're huge and they're loud,

460
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 2: but people love them, right, What do you think about

461
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,520
Speaker 2: those big trucks and which one's your favorite?

462
00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,440
Speaker 4: Oh? The TRX, I just love it. I love the TRX.

463
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 4: I think we were the first ones to have it.

464
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,520
Speaker 4: I'm saying that very proudly in America. So I picked

465
00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:29,280
Speaker 4: it up at the factory and drove it back and

466
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:31,119
Speaker 4: just fell in love with that truck. That was probably

467
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,240
Speaker 4: the hardest truck to sell. But there's also a part

468
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 4: of me that that feels like I have to be

469
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:40,520
Speaker 4: responsible uh and uh. I also don't like I don't

470
00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:46,160
Speaker 4: like being too ostentatious, and I think that's where personally

471
00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 4: I really run into issues with the super trucks. I

472
00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:51,919
Speaker 4: feel like you're showing off a lot when you're driving those, uh,

473
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,679
Speaker 4: and it feels weird, especially with a truck. So so

474
00:21:55,960 --> 00:22:00,160
Speaker 4: I don't like being ostentatious, and I don't like usingast

475
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,040
Speaker 4: amounts of fuel. But damned all love those trucks. You

476
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 4: know that. It's like it's like the Little Devil and

477
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,040
Speaker 4: the little Little Angel. You know, one of them is

478
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:09,800
Speaker 4: like get the TRX, Hit the TRX. The other one's

479
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:11,679
Speaker 4: like no, no, no, no no. And it's always this

480
00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,479
Speaker 4: kind of tug and pull situation with those. But as

481
00:22:14,560 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 4: much as as much as I love the TRX, you know,

482
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,240
Speaker 4: the best way to kind of describe the difference between

483
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,680
Speaker 4: the Raptor and the TRX. The TRX is definitely the sledgehammer,

484
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,240
Speaker 4: and the Raptor R is a scalpel. Right, It's much

485
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 4: more precise in the way it approaches things, whereas the

486
00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 4: TRX just you know, boom, it's you know, it's like

487
00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,640
Speaker 4: like the TRX is a guy that walks into the bar,

488
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:37,520
Speaker 4: looks like you. It just punches you in the face,

489
00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:41,679
Speaker 4: Whereas I think the Raptor are is the guy that

490
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 4: walks into the bar and you kind of look at

491
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,560
Speaker 4: him wrong, and then he kind of, in a very

492
00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 4: British way, you know, touts you down to size. So

493
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 4: they're both They're both very angry vehicles, but in very

494
00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:53,679
Speaker 4: different ways.

495
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:05,240
Speaker 1: So is there one truck that you thought just failed

496
00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: miserably to live up to your extensive testmory expectations? We

497
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: did it really, okay? Tell us. Yeah.

498
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,119
Speaker 4: We did an interview with the GM engineers and we

499
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 4: were like, hey, guys, come on, where's your super truck? Right?

500
00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 4: GM doesn't have one. They have kind of the Ultimate

501
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,120
Speaker 4: ZR two, but it doesn't have the big engine. It's

502
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,280
Speaker 4: only the four. It's a six point two with the

503
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 4: four twenty four fifty.

504
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 3: It's not super charge.

505
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. You guys bought that and sold

506
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 2: it quick. You dropped the ZR two like a hot

507
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 2: potato as well.

508
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: I'll tell you why. Okay, there's a there's a reason

509
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 4: for that. So one day Tommy comes into the and

510
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 4: I love the color. We bought this kind of like

511
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:43,800
Speaker 4: the color behind me. It was this kind of kind

512
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,239
Speaker 4: of beige color, right sand. And he comes in and

513
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 4: he says, that's hearing a beige. And once I heard that,

514
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 4: I could never get that out of my brain. So

515
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:53,359
Speaker 4: every time I looked at the truck.

516
00:23:53,280 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 2: Hearing hearing, I love it, but but elaborate on the

517
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 2: So by the way I had, I had the ZR

518
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: two in bright blue, and I loved it. But tell

519
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:07,360
Speaker 2: me tell us about the Hummer ev like what, I've

520
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 2: never driven it. I've never even seen one in real life.

521
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:10,160
Speaker 3: I think.

522
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 1: And you said it left you stranded twice?

523
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, twice. So we did this interview with the chief

524
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 4: engineer for I think it was a Silverado. We said,

525
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:21,480
Speaker 4: how come you guys aren't supercharging this thing? You know

526
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 4: it's a huge miss, right, You've got the look, but

527
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 4: you don't have the power. And he said, oh, we're

528
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 4: working on a truck that will I think his quote

529
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,680
Speaker 4: was something like that will eat raptors for breakfast or

530
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 4: something like that. Right, I'm like, oh wow, this is

531
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,840
Speaker 4: gonna be huge. And then of course the Hummer EV

532
00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 4: comes out and I was super excited because you know,

533
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,640
Speaker 4: it has I went to drive it at their proving ground,

534
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: you know how they let you do drive pre production vehicles,

535
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 4: and I just I just was, you know, amazed. It

536
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 4: had cameras underneath it so you could see what you

537
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 4: were running over. It would do zero to sixty and

538
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,119
Speaker 4: like I think, I think it was just above or

539
00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 4: under three seconds, you know, in WTF mode. Even the

540
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,000
Speaker 4: idea of WTF mode was like, wow, these guys get it,

541
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 4: you know, they understand what American trucks are all about.

542
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 4: And then I get the thing and it was just

543
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 4: so half baked. Oh my god. We took it up

544
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 4: this really hard trail called Red Cone, which is probably

545
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 4: a seven out of ten when it comes to kind

546
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 4: of Colorado trails, and there's a gatekeeper, which is this

547
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,639
Speaker 4: big rock that you have to drive over, and the

548
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 4: Hungary EV has extract mode right where you can jack

549
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 4: up the suspension, so you have a lot more ground clearance.

550
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 4: And what they don't tell you is that because it's

551
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 4: so heavy nine and six hundred pounds, we weighed ours. What

552
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,960
Speaker 4: happens is the air compressor just gives up the ghost

553
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 4: after about fifteen minutes of driving and it just goes right.

554
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:38,960
Speaker 4: So we got stuck up. We got stuck on the

555
00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,600
Speaker 4: on the gatekeeper, so we couldn't get over that, and

556
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 4: then Hi, Jenny, Well, we tried to pull it up

557
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: with We had a Bronco and we tried to pull

558
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 4: it up with that. We couldn't pull it up with that.

559
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 4: And eventually, tugging and pulling, we got it over the gatekeeper.

560
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 4: And then there's this really steep section and it's got

561
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,680
Speaker 4: a lock. It's got lockers, but one of them is

562
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 4: electric and that immediately failed. And so then what ended

563
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 4: up happening is instead of a truck going up because

564
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 4: it weighs nine four hundred pounds, it like dug holes

565
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,359
Speaker 4: into the ground. So as the wheels were spinning, instead

566
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: of getting forward motion, you were actually you know, you

567
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 4: were actually digging into the ground. The one thing that

568
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: was incredible about it was that four wheel steering. It

569
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 4: just made it so nimble soone got into the tree section.

570
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 4: It was just, you know, incredibly nimble, but yeah, it

571
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 4: was it was I think they just they just rushed

572
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:30,119
Speaker 4: it into production. And that's the other problem when you know,

573
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 4: like just like with regular race cars, weight is an

574
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 4: issue off road, and when you get that heavy, uh,

575
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 4: it just makes everything so much more cumbersome and so

576
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 4: much more difficult, even off road. And the nine four

577
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: hundred pounds, you know, it's a lot. She's a big girl.

578
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: I love that you weighed because when I asked them,

579
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,320
Speaker 1: Jim wouldn't really tell me the weight, so I kind

580
00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 1: of was guessing you wouldn't tell you. But yeah, I

581
00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,840
Speaker 1: love that you weighed. That's very cool.

582
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 3: How did you weigh it?

583
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 2: Because I recently had a HD try that I wanted

584
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,880
Speaker 2: to weigh and the only thing I could figure out

585
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 2: was taking it out to some cat scales at a

586
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 2: pilot station.

587
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: Did you do the.

588
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 4: Same thing, yeah, cat scales. Yeah, that's part of my

589
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 4: truck journey figure that out like ten years ago, you know,

590
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 4: you did you do it?

591
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: They give you like a little I did, like a baseball.

592
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 4: Card with a little truck on it with the family

593
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 4: that drives it. It's like collector cards.

594
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: At the cat Scale, I got a little print out

595
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 2: and I kept that, which was pretty cool. It's the

596
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: only time I've ever weighed a truck. But I looked,

597
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: looked around and couldn't find any other way. Do you

598
00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: do like the luxury SUVs? Hannah just spent some time

599
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 2: in a gl E sixty three, the coupe, which I love.

600
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: You know, I don't think they're nice to look at,

601
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 2: but they're very luxurious to ride in, and I feel

602
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: like that's an Audi, sorry, a Mercedes thing. Audi also

603
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: does it there. It's like like an Arab palace where

604
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 2: from the outside it's not impressive, but from the inside

605
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 2: it's amazing. Do you do you ever drive those high

606
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 2: end luxury cars?

607
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, we have them in black List and Bubbers.

608
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 4: Yet so we get Mercedes, especially love the my Box.

609
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 4: Have you been in the my box my Box? Oh

610
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 4: my god, yeah.

611
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:08,959
Speaker 1: Kin of how it looks.

612
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 2: But that backseat, Like I said, that's the thing with

613
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: these Mercedes. They just don't look great from the outside,

614
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 2: but then when you're inside, you're like, ah, this is perfect.

615
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 4: Have you have you seen have you opened up the

616
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: back of that where it's got this refrigerator that takes

617
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 4: up like most of the room in the back. Just

618
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 4: incredible vehicles, you know, so luxurious. So uh you just

619
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 4: feel like, just feel like you own the world when

620
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 4: you're in one of.

621
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 1: These and your luggage in the car behind.

622
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly, exactly, Yeah, we do, we do these cars.

623
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 4: How do you like your new Mercedes?

624
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 3: Well, I actually haven't got it. I haven't received yet.

625
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: It's currently being driven across country because I bought it

626
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 2: out in Los Angeles at Gallpin and they're shipping it

627
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: over in a trailer, so I'm gonna.

628
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 3: Be happy to have it.

629
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 2: It's a GLS four fifty, not the my box and

630
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,400
Speaker 2: not even the V eight right the five A, So

631
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 2: it's a straight six and I think that's a great motor.

632
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:09,479
Speaker 2: It's very refined, and it's you know, more affordable because

633
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 2: I was looking at sort of twenty twenty or twenty

634
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 2: twenty one vehicles, and for the GLS four fifty they

635
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 2: were about fifty grand and for the five eighty it

636
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,040
Speaker 2: was like a fifteen to twenty thousand dollars jump. So

637
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 2: I think I made the right decision with that. And

638
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: the most important aspect for me is the second row

639
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 2: legroom because I need to be able to fit rear

640
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 2: facing car seats in it, and you just can't fit

641
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,840
Speaker 2: rear facing car seats in almost any new vehicle that's

642
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: not a pickup truck without moving your front seats forward.

643
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be scrunched up in the

644
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 2: front with the kids in the back. So that's why

645
00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: I bought that one. Of course, you had the range

646
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: Rover long wheelbase and that's the other one that works

647
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 2: with the rear facing car seat.

648
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think most people are afraid of the range Rovers. Actually,

649
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 4: my team now owns I think four range Rovers in total.

650
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 4: They all got into the LR three's, which is, by

651
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 4: the way, the sweet spot. If you want a good

652
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: off row that's going to last, you get the l

653
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 4: R three. Two thousand, god, two thousand and five to

654
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, I think are the are the

655
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 4: golden years for those. But yeah, we had ours for

656
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 4: a very short time and nothing went wrong with it.

657
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 4: We took it off road. I forget just how good

658
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 4: off road the range Orders are. By the way, we

659
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 4: just also bought the very first gls and we found

660
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 4: the kind of needle in the haystack, so we had

661
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 4: the off road one which had the off road package,

662
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 4: so it came with skid play, that came with lockers,

663
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 4: and we took it to Moab. But that was a

664
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 4: very unusual car that I think only like four of

665
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 4: those exists in the US, and we had it for

666
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 4: a while.

667
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,479
Speaker 1: I'm really curious, what's your vote, New Defender or New Bronco.

668
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 4: God, they're very different. So the New Defender is really

669
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 4: stylish and if you if you like, you just mentioned

670
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 4: the EV nine, you can see that kind of shape

671
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 4: that that design language is now kind of racing throughout

672
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 4: the entire automotive world. So Jerry McGovern, who designed the

673
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:05,600
Speaker 4: New Defender, just just knocked out of the ballpark with

674
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 4: the look of that thing. But we took it once

675
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,120
Speaker 4: again up Red Cone and it got stuck the same

676
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: place it got stuck because the suspension hangs down and

677
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: if you look underneath, there's not actually a lot of protection.

678
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,480
Speaker 4: So I think what they did the old Defender was

679
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 4: the traditional, you know, tractor that the Brits used to

680
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 4: kind of go off roading with. The New Defender is

681
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,000
Speaker 4: much more of a people mover, you know, I'm more

682
00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 4: of a suburban vehicle that that looks off roady. It's

683
00:31:31,040 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: got those exposed screws, and it's very minimalist on the inside.

684
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 4: But the Bronco is a real off not I'm not

685
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,120
Speaker 4: saying the Defender isn't a real off roader, but if

686
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:41,040
Speaker 4: you were going to go seriously off roading, and what

687
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 4: I mean by that is like Moab or some Tupper

688
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 4: Colorado trails, you know, the Bronco is going to be

689
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 4: much better. So it depends what you want. If you

690
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 4: want style and you want, you know, something that you

691
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 4: can haul the family around, definitely go get yourself the Defender,

692
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 4: because the Bronco is pretty hardcore off roady, and you

693
00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 4: paid the price for that. In both it's interior and

694
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 4: it's you know, it's loudness. It's a very loud vehicle on.

695
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 2: But by the way, yeah, that the Bronco is too

696
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: loud to deal with as a family vehicle. I tried

697
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 2: to convince the wife and it was a no go.

698
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 2: I agree one hundred percent of the Defender. I said,

699
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: I think last week or two weeks ago that most

700
00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: people who buy that the Defender aren't going to take

701
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: it off road, and therefore I think the Kia EV

702
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: nine is something that should be cross shopped and is

703
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 2: a better vehicle because they're both big family haulers and

704
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 2: they're both kind of rugged looking but are gonna stay

705
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: on the highway. In terms of the Bronco, I wonder

706
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 2: what like you think about the engine choice.

707
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 3: I love the vehicle.

708
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,120
Speaker 2: I wish they had put the Coyote, you know, or

709
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: better yet, the Predator under that hood. I've never seen

710
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: anybody V eight swap the new Bronco, but it's something

711
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: that I sit up at in the middle of the

712
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 2: night googling because I would love to be able to

713
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: do that or put a like a maybe it comings

714
00:32:58,840 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 2: in it.

715
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean when Jee did it, when they

716
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,320
Speaker 4: finally put the Henvy in the Wrangler, everybody lost their

717
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 4: mind about it. But for it, I think a long

718
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: time ago, and I'm thinking when I say a long

719
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: time ago, maybe ten years ago, just decided that they

720
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 4: were going to go with turbos and with six cylinders

721
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 4: and with four cylinders versus traditional V eights. And they

722
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 4: you know, they did that with the F one fifty.

723
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 4: They've done that with a lot of their SUVs, and

724
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: I think that's just part of their kind of journey.

725
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,800
Speaker 4: And I think last time I checked, which is odd

726
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 4: you think this be higher, But I think only about

727
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: ten percent of F one fifties are actually sold with

728
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: that Coyote V eight, so it seems to be working

729
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 4: for him. I agree. I would love to see a

730
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: V eight in the Bronco, but yeah, I don't think

731
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: four it's going to go that way.

732
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 2: And also, I mean, I don't know if you've tested

733
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: the land Cruiser, but I know you are doing the GX,

734
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 2: which I love the way they both look, and you've

735
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 2: got a picture of the GX behind you. It would

736
00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 2: be my choice because it's the only one that comes

737
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: with the V six and the land Cruiser only comes

738
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 2: with a V with a four cylinder hybrid, but neither

739
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: one can be had the V eight.

740
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 3: Does it matter to you.

741
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: No, it doesn't matter. Like I said, with the Tacoma,

742
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 4: it's a force Lender turbo and I just love the power.

743
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: People I think also think when they think about turbos,

744
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: they think back like in the eighties when I was,

745
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 4: you know, kind of growing up, and turbos were slapped

746
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 4: on everything just kind of half passwardlessly and they would

747
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 4: overheat and the engine would you know, lose a lot

748
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 4: of its lifespan. Today, the modern turbo is designed with

749
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 4: the block in mind, and so you know it's cooled,

750
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:27,440
Speaker 4: it works in conjunction with it, and it's just a

751
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 4: completely different powertrain. So I love I love turbos for

752
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,439
Speaker 4: their field economy and I love turbos for their power,

753
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 4: so I have no problem. But the trick with the

754
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 4: GX is I get the over overland you get the

755
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 4: over the off roady one because it rides so much

756
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 4: better the I think the regular one comes with I'm

757
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 4: making this up now. It's their twenties or maybe twenty two's,

758
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,319
Speaker 4: but it's got a really unlexus like ride until you

759
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 4: get into the overlanding one, which has you know, much

760
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,880
Speaker 4: more sidewall, and it just actually rides much better.

761
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 3: I hate the big, huge wheels.

762
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,400
Speaker 2: I was Hannah's driving the AMG sixty three and I

763
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 2: had driven recently g l E AMG fifty three and

764
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: the low pro tires meant that I blew out a

765
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 2: wheel as soon as they hit a pothole.

766
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,240
Speaker 1: Right, did you have to pull over and deal with it?

767
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 2: I had, so it had run flats and I was

768
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: in the city, so I just drove it over to

769
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 2: Mercedes and they were Thank god it was a Mercedes

770
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 2: because they know service like no other brand. I mean

771
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,520
Speaker 2: I drove in there, it was spotlessly clean, there was

772
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: a team of people.

773
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,120
Speaker 3: Waiting for me. It was awesome. But I don't remember

774
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 3: what it was.

775
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 2: I was watching a video rooming with you and Tommy

776
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: and something had twenty four's on.

777
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: It, and it was like, that's crazy.

778
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 4: Well, I was just about to ask you about that. Yeah,

779
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 4: you're you're on the same wave, Like, what was that

780
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 4: in the suburban and Tahoe?

781
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 3: Oh right, right.

782
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: I mean everyone's going with these massive wheels, which I'm

783
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,640
Speaker 2: always looking to put like seventeen's with the big you know, sidewall.

784
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 2: But I guess they're making it work somehow.

785
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 4: I think it just looks so cool, right, Whenever a

786
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,760
Speaker 4: designer designs a car, it's always got like twenty fours

787
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: on it. If it's a camera or if it's a Corolla,

788
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: it's always rolling on twenty fours. And now, of course

789
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 4: we're actually doing that as opposed to just designing it.

790
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 1: You know what's wild?

791
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 2: Though?

792
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,439
Speaker 1: The cyber truck had twenty inch wheels on it. Yeah,

793
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: I was surprised. I didn't go bigger.

794
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 4: I'm sure that they can go maybe Tesla figures. If

795
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 4: you want to go bigger, you can go bigger. And

796
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,319
Speaker 4: of course you're gonna lose range, right, you're gonna lose

797
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 4: You lose a lot of a lot of in electric cars,

798
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: you lose a lot of battery when you go bigger.

799
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: Let me finally ask you. I don't want to take

800
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: up too much of your time, but you guys just

801
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 2: bought the Ineos Grenadier, which I think is so brilliant.

802
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: Most people haven't even heard of this vehicle. But basically,

803
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,359
Speaker 2: a billionaire industrialist who also owns like a soccer team

804
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 2: and some other stuff on the other side of the

805
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 2: Atlantic loved the Defender so much that he copied it

806
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 2: and made his own version. I guess they didn't have

807
00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 2: the copyright anymore or something like that, and.

808
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: You tried to buy it. Actually, I think he tried

809
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:07,880
Speaker 4: to buy the Defender name from land Rover and they

810
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 4: wouldn't sell to him, and he said, you know what,

811
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 4: we'll just build our own.

812
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 2: So and now I thought they would only be in Europe,

813
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 2: but I guess they've got eighteen or nineteen dealerships here.

814
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 2: So tell us about the whole process of you getting

815
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,359
Speaker 2: it and just your initial impressions.

816
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:24,440
Speaker 4: Oh my god, it was so much fun. So if

817
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 4: you go to their website you can build your dream

818
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 4: off road or so. Unlike the land Rover Defender, you

819
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 4: can inspect this thing, which I did with Steele's from

820
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: the factory. You get KO two's from the factory. You

821
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,959
Speaker 4: get triple lock from the factory. You can get dual

822
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 4: batteries from the factory. I stuck a well, it's a snorkel,

823
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 4: but people call it a you know, a high air

824
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: intake because nobody wants to call it a snorkel because

825
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 4: it doesn't give you more waterfarding. But this thing is like,

826
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, if you had continued to build the old Defender,

827
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 4: this is what it would look like. So it's built

828
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 4: by Magna No, it was designed I think parts of

829
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 4: what were designed by It's built in a former Mercedes

830
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 4: Benz factory in France. It was designed in Britain and

831
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:11,239
Speaker 4: it's powered by a three liter BMW power plant that's

832
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: in the Supra. So that seems like a recipe for

833
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 4: disasteris like, well.

834
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 3: It has it has Italian axles on it, right.

835
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 4: It.

836
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: In a vehicle.

837
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 4: So I was. I was like, I was like, this

838
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 4: is going to be a train wreck. And it has

839
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 4: some really unique quirk So steering doesn't center itself. So

840
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 4: if you go around the corner and you don't steer back,

841
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 4: you'll hit a tree. Because there's sought axles, it doesn't.

842
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 4: It's eighty thousand dollars when we bought starts seventy five.

843
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 4: It doesn't have power seats, nor can you get power seats.

844
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 4: It doesn't have any of the modern uh you know,

845
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 4: self driving, which is also kind of weird. But oh

846
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 4: my god, is this thing built for purpose for to

847
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 4: go off road. So all the stuff that makes it,

848
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 4: like solid axles are just really bad on road, right,

849
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 4: they give you a bad ride, their wandery, but all

850
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 4: that stuff just disappears when you take it off road.

851
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 4: It just caught. We took it to mo Ebb, it

852
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: just it just ate up the terrain and everywhere we

853
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 4: went people looked at it because it is so unique

854
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 4: and so distinctive, you know what It's like. It's like

855
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 4: one of those like beautiful people in the world right

856
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: where you just look at them and you're like, oh

857
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 4: my god. You know, you get kind of weak in

858
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: the knees, and then it's got this speed warning that

859
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 4: if you see the speed limits, which will you do

860
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 4: when you're driving out of the dealership, right, because everybody

861
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 4: goes like at least one mile above the speed limit,

862
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,160
Speaker 4: it starts beeping at you and you're like, oh, that's annoying,

863
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:33,280
Speaker 4: so I'll just turn it. Well, you can turn it off,

864
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 4: but then once you cycle it, it turns back on. So

865
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 4: then you can create a short so that you can

866
00:39:38,200 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 4: keep turning it on, but every time you drive it,

867
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 4: you have to turn it back on or back off. Yeah,

868
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 4: so it's it's like one of those you know, one

869
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: of those vehicles that my friend Fred when I was

870
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 4: growing up, had this GT three and it was a

871
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:53,080
Speaker 4: beautiful No, no, not g T three Sorry, it was

872
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 4: a what's a Triumph tr.

873
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 2: T R three tier TR six? That is there was

874
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 2: there a TR three? I only know t R six,

875
00:40:00,520 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: but maybe.

876
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 4: There was no TR six. Maybe it's a TR six. Anyway,

877
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,240
Speaker 4: it was beautiful, but so high maintenance.

878
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 2: Oh you're right, there's an TR three with a R three.

879
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:09,719
Speaker 4: Yeah.

880
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:10,399
Speaker 3: Two leaders.

881
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 4: Anyway, you become so like, you become so enamored with

882
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 4: these vehicles because you give so much of yourself to

883
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: keeping it on the road. And I'm not saying that

884
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 4: the Indios is going to be unreliable, you know, because

885
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 4: this thing was unreliable, but it certainly demands a lot

886
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: of you when you drive it, uh, and it demands

887
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 4: a lot of you when you kind of off road it.

888
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 4: And that's what makes it so unique and fun and

889
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,359
Speaker 4: special because it's not just you know, it's not the

890
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: next refrigerator that's self driving going down the road. So

891
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 4: it's just got so much personality. So once again, it's

892
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 4: one of those things like the Raptor Hour where it's

893
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 4: like I love it and I hate it, but I

894
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 4: love it. Yeah.

895
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's such a cool vehicle, and

896
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 2: I'm so glad that Ratcliffe took it further. I wonder

897
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 2: you got to wonder if land Rover is kicking themselves

898
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 2: or not making a deal with him at first.

899
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 4: You know, they left they left the market open for

900
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 4: somebody exactly.

901
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 3: I love that.

902
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: You can you guys didn't get the the You can

903
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 2: paint the frame a different color than you can with

904
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:08,760
Speaker 2: the truck.

905
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: I know, I wish we should have done that. I

906
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 4: wanted to paint it red because it's just so sexy.

907
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, we didn't. We didn't do that because I

908
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: heard I was I was like you as on the forums,

909
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: and I heard that if you do that, it takes

910
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 4: you longer to get it, and so I didn't want

911
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 4: to delay getting the vehicle because we have a red frame.

912
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: Do you know how many they planned to make and

913
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: sell in the US? Do we have any any idea?

914
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 4: I don't think. I don't think they've announced production numbers.

915
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: But like Matt said, there's only eighteen dealerships. So there's

916
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 4: also a truck coming. There's a there's a truck version

917
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:41,880
Speaker 4: of it coming, and they last week they announced an

918
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,400
Speaker 4: electric version which looks like a baby g wagon.

919
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 2: If you see it, well, god, you're pretty I'm so

920
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: pumped that you guys got that, and just another reason

921
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 2: for me to watch more TfL.

922
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: So I have a final, very important question for a moment.

923
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,720
Speaker 1: If cars are right brained and trucks are left brained,

924
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: what are motorcycles?

925
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, they're no brain for sure.

926
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 4: Thought that's what my wife would say.

927
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 2: You guys must ride bikes right now that you bought

928
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 2: the ranch for for the for the organization, do you

929
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 2: take dirt bikes out there.

930
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we have a bike channel. But let me

931
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 4: answer your question. So, I think bikes are the purest

932
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:25,319
Speaker 4: form of you know, motorized uh transportation, just because they're

933
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 4: the most engaging out of anything. Right, You're when you're

934
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 4: on a bike, Gosh, you're you know, this is this

935
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 4: is like living life, right because it's it's there's there's

936
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 4: a sense of danger to it, which may or may

937
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 4: not be true depending on how many people are texting

938
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,240
Speaker 4: next to you. Uh, but I've never felt more free,

939
00:42:41,600 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 4: uh than you know, riding a motorcycle down the road.

940
00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 4: You smell everything, you hear, the machine working underneath you. Uh.

941
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 4: You know, you are connected to the road in such

942
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 4: a way that that that that that is much different

943
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 4: from a car because now you're part of this elaborate

944
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 4: dance where it's not just kind of driving to you know,

945
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,359
Speaker 4: to the store. You're actually living in that moment. And

946
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 4: that's why I love motorcycles because everything I do when

947
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 4: I ride a motorcycle goes off out the window. Right.

948
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 4: It's all about being in that moment and living in

949
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 4: that second, because that's what the motorcycle demands. And if

950
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 4: you don't do that things get, you know, very ugly.

951
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,600
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about motorcycles. You know, I

952
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:20,759
Speaker 4: love when it starts to rain on you until the

953
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 4: boots start getting with Then it gets no fun.

954
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 3: You got to get in the game, the game for sure.

955
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

956
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I feel the most alive when I'm on a motorcycle.

957
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 4: I've never felt that way, even on a racetrack in

958
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 4: a car. Maybe because it's the cars are always there's

959
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 4: something around you, I guess the Cajun. How about you, man,

960
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 4: what what do you love? What do you love about motorcycles?

961
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'll never forget the day I saw

962
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 2: my first Ducati Monster in the late nineties in Frankfurt, Germany,

963
00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: and I was just captivated by the look. I had

964
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: always wanted bikes before that, but I wanted Harley's just

965
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: kind of the idea of it, and I had never

966
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 2: I didn't realize what it would be like to try

967
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 2: and push around it, you know, nine hundred pound ultra glide.

968
00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 2: But when I first saw that Ducati Monster, I said,

969
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 2: one day I will have one. And I've now had

970
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 2: at least six, and I've still got you know, three

971
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 2: just for me. It's the freedom it's the kind of meditation,

972
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,839
Speaker 2: you know. It's like TM, right, because when you get

973
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 2: out there in a way, nothing else matters and your

974
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,480
Speaker 2: brain just goes by itself.

975
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 4: You know.

976
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 2: Also you've got to pay pay attention. So I maybe

977
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 2: it's two different planes. But the other thing is obviously

978
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 2: they're they're obtainable. So many of these cars that we

979
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,560
Speaker 2: talk about, especially the ones that like Hannah had this

980
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:41,240
Speaker 2: McLaren what was it, seven fifty seven.

981
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: S Spider that's like which three hundred and.

982
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's amazing, but just three fifty like or

983
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 2: the nine to eleven st You know, even if I

984
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 2: had three hundred grand to buy the car, I still

985
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 2: am not on the right list to be able to

986
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 2: allowed to get it. So, you know, motorcycles, I could

987
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,040
Speaker 2: buy one and have an other one in case that

988
00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 2: one was in the shop, and then I started like

989
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,080
Speaker 2: building up a collection. And I just think it's for

990
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: the everyman, you know, it's so much more approachable.

991
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think there's also a much different community around motorcycles.

992
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 4: Like I've never got I've never gotten burned buying a motorcycle. Right,

993
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,839
Speaker 4: you go to someone's house, if you're buying a used

994
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 4: motorcycle and they're like, oh, this is wrong with it,

995
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 4: and here's all the parts that I have, you can

996
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 4: have those. It's it's never like you're never like oh

997
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 4: my god. You know, they're like they're like they're trying

998
00:45:28,400 --> 00:45:30,879
Speaker 4: to help you, and they understand that you're also part

999
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 4: of this kind of more caring community. I guess, uh.

1000
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 4: And that's what I love about motorcycles, you know. It's

1001
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 4: just it's just like here in Colorado, and this is

1002
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 4: maybe a Colorado thing, but whenever you're on a bike

1003
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 4: and you pass somebody, you always wave to each other.

1004
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,520
Speaker 4: Is that something that happens in La or in New York?

1005
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: I would say it happens in LA. But it also

1006
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: happens in cars.

1007
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 4: You know.

1008
00:45:48,600 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: People who drive Porsches tend to wave at each other.

1009
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,439
Speaker 1: People who drive some people who drive ferraris might flick

1010
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 1: their lights or something like that too.

1011
00:45:56,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 3: I think.

1012
00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: But I mean it's different, right because on a motorcycle,

1013
00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 2: I feel I'm almost obligated to tell somebody, you know,

1014
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:06,839
Speaker 2: give somebody the wave, and no matter what they're on,

1015
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 2: Like I would feel like a snob if I didn't

1016
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 2: give someone the wave, who might be on a scooter

1017
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 2: or you know, on a Harley.

1018
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. It's true.

1019
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 2: Like I remember selling I sold an R nine T

1020
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: one time to this guy, and not only did I

1021
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 2: give him the bike, but I hadn't advertised. I gave

1022
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 2: him all of these other parts that I had bought

1023
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 2: for it and hadn't even installed.

1024
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: It was required to take with him no matter what.

1025
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 2: No, I was just like, oh, dude, you got to

1026
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: have this also in that. And I'm losing money on

1027
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,640
Speaker 2: the deal already and I'm giving him stuff. My wife's like,

1028
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 2: what are you doing? But you definitely feel a tighter

1029
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 2: bond with other motorcycle riders then you because you're all

1030
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 2: you're putting it on the line every time you go

1031
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,360
Speaker 2: out there, you know.

1032
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: You know. We were just talking about this that the

1033
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: bike shed the past week about how I do think

1034
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: everybody who rides a motorcycle really believes that the world

1035
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: would be a better place if more people rode bikes

1036
00:46:57,520 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: and more if there were fewer cars on the road

1037
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: and more two wheeled motorcycles on the road. And I

1038
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: do think any person really on a motorcycle, if you

1039
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: see someone on the side of the road stopped on

1040
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: a motorcycle, you're gonna pull over and stop. There is

1041
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: really a sense of a tribe, and it's a it's

1042
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: a sort of a universal tribe of motorcycle riders.

1043
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 4: Before we get to Kumbaya, there was a dude done

1044
00:47:18,960 --> 00:47:21,239
Speaker 4: if you saw this video who just rode his I

1045
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 4: think it was a I think it was a college

1046
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 4: hockey maybe, I don't know. He rode it from the

1047
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 4: Springs to Denver in like a half hour. Did you

1048
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:28,839
Speaker 4: see that? And then eventually got arrested because it usually

1049
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: takes about two hours, so I think he averaged like

1050
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,280
Speaker 4: one hundred it may have been more than one hundred

1051
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 4: and twenty miles an hour.

1052
00:47:34,440 --> 00:47:36,919
Speaker 1: He needs a time out, he needs it. He needs

1053
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 1: a time he needs Yeah, he needs.

1054
00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: There are those guys I always I always see him

1055
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 2: on the BMWs one thousand double rs. They're doing videos

1056
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: where they're doing more than two hundred miles an hour,

1057
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:49,040
Speaker 2: you know, and you're thinking this is not okay on

1058
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,759
Speaker 2: a public highway. But yeah, yeah, I guess there's a

1059
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,400
Speaker 2: there's a bad apple in every bunch.

1060
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 3: Roman.

1061
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,359
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, really appreciate you joining us. Great

1062
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 2: to I guess meet you online. Look we have a

1063
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 2: podcast that's across the country. We're in New York, Denver.

1064
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 4: In LA. That's so cool.

1065
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you very much. All Right, well, that does

1066
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,439
Speaker 2: it for our podcast this week. We'll be back, same time,

1067
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: same place next week. And remember to shoot us an

1068
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: email because we love hearing feedback. We love getting suggestions.

1069
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,719
Speaker 2: Sometimes we need a little help. If anybody wants to

1070
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: recommend something for me to do, and I'm in Denver

1071
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: or I'm in Vale, I'd love to hear from you.

1072
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: Our email address, Hannah, it's.

1073
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot net.

1074
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: Hot Pursuit at Bloomberg dot nets. Definitely shoot us an email,

1075
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: and it's been great spending an hour with you. I'm

1076
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: Matt Miller, I'm

1077
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 1: Hannah Elliott, and this is Bloomberg